Cults | Black Hebrew Israelites: Ethnicity, Law, and the Gospel

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The cults, I feel like there's
stuff that I say every episode

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because I assume our audience
may change with every episode.

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So for you, Zach, and for our
regular listeners, it's, I know

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it's repetitive, but.
Hey, it's got to be said.

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It needs to be said because you
know, you might have someone who

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subscribes to this faith that
we're talking about who hasn't

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seen all of our other stuff.
It's true.

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Get served up this.
Yeah, and they they don't have

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the three episodes of go context
at.

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All right, right, right.
That's smart.

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So Zach and I take to theology.
Welcome to the podcast.

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We are doing a series
highlighting differences between

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what someone may call classical
creedal orthodox Christianity

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and other belief systems that
also where the label

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Christianity and we're
highlighting differences between

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what we believe and what they
believe.

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And we are using the term cult
because in most cases, maybe not

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every day, every 7th day
Adventist, they weren't like

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clearly outside the fold to me.
Maybe if I under if I

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investigate them more than maybe
might find something, but just

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on our, you know, investigation
that we had there, it didn't

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seem like it was like crazy they
had that profit.

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But but anyway, for the most
part, we're investigating belief

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systems that are different
enough from Christianity that

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maybe they shouldn't be using
the term Christianity.

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I like it.
You're gonna you're gonna use

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similar terms that kind of to
the untrained person, it just

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might same seem like, hey, we're
all on the same team and we're

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kind of taking that knife and
like separating.

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This is what they mean.
This is what we mean.

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There is a difference and even
using their source, this is what

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they claimed it mean.
They you know, and and kind of

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unraveling some of this web.
That's right.

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And while we might have like
we've had some videos have a lot

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of discussion trying to show
that they're what they believe

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is true and we've kind of enter
into some of that discussion.

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I think that discussion only
kind of proved our initial

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point.
Like there are differences.

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We don't agree on these things.
And we're using the term cult in

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the academic sense, not the, you
know, slang sense or pejorative

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sense.
So we're not saying necessarily

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that you're like in Charles
Manson's, you know, like that,

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that abusive, you know, social
psychological type of cult or

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anything.
We're using it in the academic

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sense.
So if you go to like a seminary,

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they're going to refer to belief
systems that we're the name

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Christianity, but that are
different than Christianity in

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these big, big areas.
They're going to call them

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cults.
And it's not like we're like,

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trying to be nasty or anything.
Putting people down and so

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today.
Today.

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What?
What cult are we discussing?

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We're talking about Black Hebrew
Israelites.

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And this is a group I was not
super familiar with until maybe

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it was like, 4 or five years
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I don't know what it was like.
I felt like they were jumping on

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the scenes.
I occasionally would listen to,

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like, James White's apologetics,
and he would, like, interact a

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little bit with them.
And then I was just looking up,

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like, where do I know this kind
of stuff from Kyrie Irving?

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Do you know the basketball
player Kyrie Irving, Like, you

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know, he's tweeted some things
involving Black Hebrew

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Israelites.
He's kind of got like very

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eclectic belief system,
including that, that the earth

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is flat.
And then he, he also has like

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some, I think I might, I might
totally be right.

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This like Buddhist, Hindu
influences.

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And he just like kind of is like
eclectic in that way and was

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pruning some of their stuff.
And then I was looking at

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someone else who's very
eclectic.

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Kanye West, I think was pruning
some other stuff.

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But you know, he's kind of all
over the place.

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And this was maybe 3 or 4 years
ago or something like that.

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But it's, you know, around like
a little resurgence, a little

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bit that kind.
Do you watch?

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Do you watch a lot of reels or
no?

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Are you doing the thrower?
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Yeah, yeah, sometimes,
sometimes.

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You hear that background,
everything that has breath,

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praise and all I actually love.
You ever hear that?

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That's Kanye West.
I I, I like that album and

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there's a couple little Yeah,
it's good.

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It's.
Good.

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All right, so today, Black
Hebrew Israelites, let's take it

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to the next level.
Let's fire up that twanga music.

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From the hearts of the Low
Country in South Carolina.

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It's the Take Two podcast where
we take theology to the next

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level.
The term Black Hebrew Israelites

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refers to a loose collection of
movements that claim that people

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of African descent, particularly
descendants of enslaved Africans

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in the Americas, are the true
descendants of the biblical

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Israelites.
And I, I think you nailed it in

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my like, especially like four or
five years ago, looking it up,

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what I came to the conclusion it
was challenging because it was

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not unorganized, but it
different groups, I think is a

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key theme.
It's probably a key theme with a

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lot of these things we're
talking about.

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There's different shades that
are similar in some ways a

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little different.
It makes it hard to you know,

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you can't paint with a broad
brush, but they all do revolve

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around at least that central
core theme.

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Yeah, and even that central core
theme, like in the Bible, if you

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read through it clearly, there's
a time when God has treated a

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race preferentially, but he
treats them preferentially in

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order to bring salvation to the
entire world.

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And that's what the Abrahamic
covenant was all about.

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You can go back to Genesis,
12/15/18, I think again and 21,

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and you'll see these repeated
themes and then those get spread

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all through.
So any belief system that is

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going to on this basis, say here
is a direct descendant,

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basically you had to be a direct
descendant to be a true heir.

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That's gonna be problematic,
especially when you get into New

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Testament scriptures that will
say, you know, no Jew, no

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gentile, no female, no male, you
know, no free, no, no slave in

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Christ, you're all you're all
equal.

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So that that might be already be
kind of given.

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You.
Yeah, it starts narrow, gets

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very broad, and even when it's
very narrow, everyone's welcome

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into the fold if you embrace
these beliefs and that kind of

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thing.
Yeah, 'cause if you look at the

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descendants of or the ancestors
of Jesus, you know, there's

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females listed there, there are
a bunch of Gentiles listed in

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there, and there's all these
provisions in the Old Testament

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of how a Gentile could convert
to Judaism.

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And so it wasn't exclusive.
It was just, you know, I'm gonna

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use you to bring this about.
And what makes it more

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complicated, you think about
that.

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There's plenty of instances
where it's like one descendant

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went wayward, 1 descendant went
godward.

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And so maybe it gives you an
advantage in the, in the way

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you're exposed to it.
It doesn't guarantee anything,

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you know what I mean?
But good.

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I'm excited to kind of talk
about this group and so kind of

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on that theme of not, not one
flat denomination across the

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board, not necessarily a unified
doctrinal confession, but

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independent congregations.
And where I've seen clips, this

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was like years ago, they were
St. preaching and that's what I

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would see.
That's what I saw too, and

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that's what put them on my
radar.

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You know, people would come by
and interact with them.

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They would say some things that
clearly, if you really weren't

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up on Scripture, might trip you
up.

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So I thought this was
interesting and and that we

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should engage.
They try to be Torah observant,

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which is a little bit different.
So I guess no pork, no, no

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shellfish, no clothing of mixed
fabrics.

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So if you got like 60% cotton,
40%, you know, something else,

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you got to get that out.
And then there's a lot of online

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teaching.
So they got, it's not your

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traditional church with, you
know, this, you know, maybe a

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creedal doctrine in locations.
It's it's more scattered.

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And I think it's had, and I
might not know this totally, but

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a little bit of resurgence where
there's been so much emphasis on

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ethnicity and this kind of thing
where I think it gets maybe a

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little more play with the reels
and that kind of stuff too.

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'Cause it is a little bit
inciting to the people like us.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So some groups you're gonna run

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the gamut are gonna be more
moderate.

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Some are gonna really emphasize
this ethnic identity toward

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observant.
Some might even appeal appear to

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be like militant and
exclusivistic.

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So all that would be kind of
taken into account.

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Historical origins.
So most movements trace their

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roots to the late 19th and 20th
century American religious

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movements, especially among the
African Americans seeking to

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interpret their experience of
slavery in exile through

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biblical category.
So we do see, you know, the Jews

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go into slavery in Egypt and
then they're exiled back.

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And so they're looking at that,
and they're kind of, you know,

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looking at that experience that
they had and seeing how it

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mirrors with what Moses, you
know, did with the Israelites.

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And, and for me, like with some
of these other groups that we're

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talking about, it's like man,
just from school, like I

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recognize Joseph Smith, I
recognize Mary Baker, Edie,

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these kind of Edie, whatever.
I don't I'm not familiar with

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the origin of them.
We see Frank Cherry, late 1800s,

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what what he emphasized and
taught were that black Americans

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were the true Israelites and
that the whites were descendants

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from Edom.
And you know, you can see some

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of this in in like key texts
that that they use as kind of at

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least the origins.
And and I'm so fascinated at

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some of this origin stuff
because, you know, in the case

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of the Latter Day Saints,
Mormonism, it's like you can

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make all these claims and then,
you know, with modern

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archaeology, you kind of
understand, like I wonder with

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ancestry and this kind of thing,
like we got 23andMe.

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Does that show like Edomites?
You can kind of like figure some

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of this out, I don't know.
Yeah, I, I mean, just just on

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looks alone, you would think,
you know, I you would say, well,

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probably white Americans and
African Americans.

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Neither one of them were in that
line off of Abraham, right?

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Like it does take a Bible
scholar to look at like Shem Ham

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and Japheth and just like make
your best guess.

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Maybe you can't nail down
everything, but you can maybe

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get ideas of differences or
something like that.

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Right.
And so Edom would be, you know,

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from Esau.
So what?

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What they what this guy's
claiming is that, you know,

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white Americans descending from
Esau, black African Americans

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descending from Isaac.
Yeah, that's something it.

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It seems very strange.
I'll be like neither one of

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those lines really line up.
Another one of the key early

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figures, William Saunders
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1800s, Eighteen 90s, founded the
Church of God and Saints of

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Christ.
And this is one of the earliest

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to actually bear the name Hebrew
Israelite.

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And they had, you know,
Crowley's documented teachings

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in his own movement and
historical publications.

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And one of those was the doorman
in Dorman Chosen People.

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So there we go.
Later on, you know, as you kind

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of progress through the 20th
century, we see we talked about

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in the street preaching groups.
I feel like street preaching

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became more popular across, I
mean, a lot of it was like kind

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of a thing to to do.
And particularly in in the

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1900s, late 20th century and
these urban environments, we

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kind of see this more and more
and more.

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Yeah.
And so I want to go back to this

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mention of Doorman.
So a lot of what we're going to

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become talking about does come
from a book, Chosen People, The

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Rise of American Black Israelite
Religions, written by Jacob

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Dorman, and that was published
in 2013.

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OK, so this is like a recent
text that presumably would be.

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Scholarly to go back and all
right, so now we have a little

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bit of their doctrinal or pardon
me, a little bit of their

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historical background.
Let's talk about the doctrinal

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issues and we're going to be
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order that we did our last one.
So we want to talk about what do

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they think about God proper, you
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theology proper.
What do they think about Jesus

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Christology?
What do they think about

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salvation soteriology?
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use as their authority?
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there are any other issues,
we'll look at those as well.

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So beliefs about God make it a
theology proper kind of as you

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they're kind of splintered.
So it's not like they have one

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single, but some of the common
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them are what you might call a
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others will reject the doctrine
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So some of the common denial
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views of God in Christ.
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Testament conception of God,
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Father, the Son, and the Holy
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even in the name, you can see
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on Israelite side of things.
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IUIC, the Israel United in
Christ doctrinal statement, they

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they basically teach that the
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distinct, it's not in accord
with your what you would

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classically orthodox or from an
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the Trinity in the Trinitarian
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hierarchy between God and
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like maybe God the Father is the
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Son being like maybe the first
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created.
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And of course, those conflict
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common scriptures that we would
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the Word, the Word was God, the
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Matthew 2819, baptizing in the
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Holy Spirit.
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know, this link between the
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Great.
Let's move on to Christology

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beliefs about Jesus.
And again, just like with a lot

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of these, it kind of varies
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can, you know, identify several
common patterns, including that

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Jesus was a black Israelite
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for Israel, not for all nations,
which that one perplexes me.

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Well, not only does it perplex,
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would say the people who are
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descendants of Israel by any,
any real, you know, physical and

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verifiable method.
Matthew 1524 is frequently cited

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by Black Hebrew Israelite
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sent only to the lost sheep of
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This verse is interpreted to
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excludes non Israelites.
We should read the full context

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of that.
So maybe while I'm pulling that

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up, you can kind of talk to our
our next point is that.

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Yeah, yeah, I'll keep moving
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So obviously in in their view,
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verse and saying, you know,
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were not part of it.
He was only sent to the lost

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sheep of the House of Israel.
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little bit confusing.
It kind of plays into this

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Arianism mindset.
Some groups will say, yeah,

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Jesus was the Messiah, but not
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So there's kind of this ordering
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God the Father, a little step
down, which would be in line

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with that Arianism, where maybe
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messianic figure.
We got the context.

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Yeah, we got the context.
So it is when he's approached by

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this Canaanite woman, she asked
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And basically he says some
things that I think are when you

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look back at the text, are not
in keeping with other things he

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said.
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that he's repeating common
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day to kind of test her because
then he says, you know, your

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faith is extreme.
And then he goes and heals this

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Gentile person who is not an
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So it kind of goes if you read
the context, it's not going

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along with what what is being
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Here that context is is good,
good to good to read the whole

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whole chapter.
At least you know a verse before

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verse after because you know, I
don't know if you've ever heard

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of this verse before John 316.
It's one of those like no name

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verses people don't really know.
Yeah, and it says he came to

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save the world.
You know the, you know, all

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those who believe all the
believing ones.

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Yeah.
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And then if you want to get more
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that God shows no partiality,
but in every nation, anyone who

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fears Him and does what is right
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And so, you know, we could
probably pull passage after

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passage.
Yeah, it seems tough to accept

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Jesus and maybe even quote
Matthew, but then not try to

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harmonize it with the rest of
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So it seems odd.
That that that that does.

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I wonder how they try to
reconcile some of this

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Christology problems that they
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Yeah.
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So moving on to beliefs about
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this is kind of the central
issue with the Black Hebrew

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Israelites theology, many of the
groups teach that salvation is

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restricted to ethnic Israelites,
which again would be an would be

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a problem 'cause if you did some
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your average African who was
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sixteen 1700s is going to be a
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Yep, and and and I feel like
even today, there's so much, you

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know, made between African
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there there's a lot of
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everyone's from different it it
it would be interesting to get

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some.
Well you do see some videos of

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non Africans, just Africans.
Yes and yes, exactly.

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Interacting with African
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cultural divide.
Huge, huge that that's that's

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for sure.
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especially descendants of
enslaved Africans, are the true

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Israelites.
European Jews are imposters.

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This is a whole different can of
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But you know, this Jewish
identity is confusing because

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there's an ethnic component and
like a cultural component and a

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religious component.
And you look at the modern state

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of Israel and it's like, I what
most Jews live in, like New

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York.
It's, it's interesting.

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Even that side of things is kind
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Like, what makes you a Jew?
Covenant promises belong

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exclusively to Israel.
And I think, you know, maybe a

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lot of Christians would say Amen
to that.

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You know, be like, hey, you
know, what do you mean?

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What do you mean by this term
Israel?

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They clearly mean that ethnic
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means Black Hebrew Israelites.
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even go further and teach that
non Israelites will serve as

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slaves.
Or, you know, what's the other

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indentured servants in Israel,
in the in the Kingdom.

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all.
So you know, some of those

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pretty, pretty, pretty odd if
you're in the normal Christian

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faith to to kind of hear that
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For example, teaching materials
from again, the IC, the

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Israelite Church of God in
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I guess it's a different one.
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2 and Revelation 1310 is
teaching that other nations will

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serve Israel.
I got the Isaiah passage right

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here.
It says for Yahweh, we'll have

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compassion on Jacob, and we'll
again choose Israel, and we'll

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set them in their own land and
so generous rejoin them.

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And we'll attach themselves to
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And the people will take them
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And the House of Israel will
possess them in Yahweh's land as

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male and female slaves.
They will take captive those who

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were their captors and rule over
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So you see, oppressing slaves,
It's like this reversal here,

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really.
Hang on to that.

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Very strongly, it sounds like.
The Revelation passage.

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I'll scoot back to Revelation 8.
All who'd will on the earth will

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worship him.
Everyone whose name was not

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written from the foundation of
the world in the book of the

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life of Lamb, who has, who has
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If anyone has an ear, let him
hear.

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If anyone is destined for
captivity, to the captivity he

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goes.
If anyone kills with a sword,

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with a sword, he must be killed.
Here is the perseverance and the

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faith of the Saints.
So let's see who the hymn was.

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I'm just going back.
I don't think this is, oh, it's

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the beast.
So the hymn is the beast there.

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So again, it's hard to imagine
why, How to, to land on that

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verse and assume that that is
the proper interpretation of it.

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Yeah.
Totally going back to the Torah

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emphasis this Torah observance
that to be, you know in covenant

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membership, you have to observe
the Torah.

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That includes things like
Sabbath keeping, you mentioned

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it, dietary laws.
On top of that, the different

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feast days these for for some of
these groups are binding

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requirements for salvation for
membership, covenant membership

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in their community.
And and so, you know, if you're

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thinking New Testament Galatians
comes to your mind, this

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Judaizers, we're keeping all
these things.

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I'm sure they've encountered
this before.

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You would think this is like a
classic New Testament text that

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is a little bit at odds with
their belief system.

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Yeah, I mean, this is the
consistent.

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Yeah.
Theme of the New Testament is

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that we are one in Christ, and
you see that all, all through.

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There's one spirit.
So whether you're reading

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Ephesians or Galatians or
Romans, those are all Pauline.

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I'm sure if I thought long
enough I could find something

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that's not Pauline.
But we consider Scripture to be

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Scripture.
We already reference.

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There's no Jew, no, no Greek in
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We're all one Romans 10.
There's no distinction between

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Jew and Greek for all the same
Lord as Lord of all.

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So again, we're kind of showing
why we think they're wrong.

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But but even if they think that
we are misinterpreting these

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passages, the fact is that we
are on very two different loci,

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loci 2 different areas of
beliefs.

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Let's talk authority.
This other area that really

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tells you a lot about, you know
what, where their true belief

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lies, you know, is it the word
of God?

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Is it a person?
Is it a publication?

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We've kind of talked about these
different areas for the Black

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Hebrew Israelite groups.
They strongly emphasize the

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authority of the Bible.
So that's a positive as you

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picking up on a theme throughout
this that they really skew

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heavily toward the Old Testament
being kind of given that

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priority.
The way they interpret Scripture

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is is shaped by this pre
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So believe in the Bible, that's
good.

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But you can kind of see in a lot
of their beliefs, this ethnic

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lens, like everything is very
heavily emphasized through this

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interpretation.
So we read about the prophecies.

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When you read about Israel
specifically, that's going to

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apply to black populations and
then these curses that that's

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really going to directly apply
to transatlantic slave trade.

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Things to keep in mind.
Yeah, I'm just reading this

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passage.
Are you familiar with this

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Deuteronomy 28?
60 I I'm not not cold like,

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yeah, like I know this.
I'm ready to go.

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Yeah.
Well, I I'm just reading through

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skimming through, and it looks
like it's a long passage about

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the consequences of
disobedience.

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Oh yeah, It's almost like we
were talking about Joshua at the

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end.
This is like Moses at the end.

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Mount Evil, Mount Garrison kind
of thing.

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Do do bad, bad things will
happen.

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Do good, good things.
I've been kind of recounting

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some of that kind of stuff.
So I'm going to start back in 66

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So your life shall hang in doubt
before you, and you will be in

451
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:35,240
dread that night and day, and
shall have no assurance of your

452
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:39,080
life. 67 In the morning you
shall, you shall say, would it

453
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:42,480
were evening, and at the evening
you will say, would it were

454
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:45,440
mourning, because of the dread
of your heart which you dread,

455
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,280
and for the sight of your eyes
which you will see.

456
00:24:48,360 --> 00:24:49,920
And here's the key.
Verse 68.

457
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,960
The Lord will bring you back to
Egypt in ships, by the way,

458
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:56,080
about which I spoke to you.
You will never see it again.

459
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,840
And there you offer yourselves
for sale to your enemies as male

460
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:00,920
and female slaves, but there
will be no buyer.

461
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:05,120
So it's this I, I mean, you can
see how someone could read that

462
00:25:05,120 --> 00:25:07,560
having been, you know, if your
ancestors were brought over in

463
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:12,080
slave ships to a new world.
And you might see yourself in

464
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,200
there.
And maybe there's a principle

465
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,960
you could guide on.
But even then, like this is this

466
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:24,080
is righteous discipline for
covenant disobedience.

467
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:28,360
And so you'd have to say somehow
that you'd almost have to bless

468
00:25:28,360 --> 00:25:32,560
off on the trade slave as God's
righteous disobedience.

469
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,960
That's true discipline for
covenant disobedience, but that

470
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:38,680
doesn't even make sense in that
framework.

471
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,680
Yeah, you read something like
this and I'm with you where it's

472
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,880
like the broader perspective
shows something different.

473
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,240
But at the at the same time, I
can, I don't think they're

474
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:48,840
right.
I can sympathize with them

475
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:52,000
trying to find like a promise
because this is the same kind of

476
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,680
thing that might be levied
against like a dispensationalist

477
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:57,960
or something like that, like,
oh, they're reading this old,

478
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:00,080
you know what I mean?
But I mean, this is different

479
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:01,720
than that.
Like I can sympathize with it.

480
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:03,760
I don't think they're.
Right would make that claim

481
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:05,320
against the covenant theologian
maybe.

482
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:09,560
Maybe that's it where it's like
they read stuff about the land

483
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:11,840
and they're like this is
physical land versus or

484
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:13,520
something like that where I can
sympathize with it.

485
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:17,480
But I don't think this is like
that hyper specific to that, you

486
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,600
know, prophecy.
But I I appreciate the

487
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:22,840
commitment to scripture, even
though I feel like maybe we're

488
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:26,880
missing missing the point here.
All right, So those are the big

489
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:28,600
ones.
They do have some other aberrant

490
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:29,840
beliefs.
Some of these we've already

491
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,520
touched on white people as
Edomites.

492
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,760
Some militant groups will teach
that white people descend from

493
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,680
Esau or Edom.
Edom is eternally cursed.

494
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,320
Future judgment will involve the
subjugation of Edom.

495
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:46,880
And so they would might refer to
some of these minor prophet or

496
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,920
these passages from the minor
prophets, like Obadiah 118.

497
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:54,000
The House of Eshall shall
stubble shall be stubble.

498
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:59,520
I thought that Herod was an
Edomite, right?

499
00:26:59,920 --> 00:27:04,360
That is interesting.
Like he had roots in different

500
00:27:04,360 --> 00:27:06,640
places.
I think it refers to him as an

501
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:08,680
Edomite, right?
You might be right, yeah.

502
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,720
Anyways, 'cause I always
wondered, you know, was Herod's

503
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,240
line like the last of the
Edomites and then like, he was

504
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:15,400
filled out.
I don't know.

505
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,560
But we read Ephesians 214.
He himself is our piece.

506
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:24,520
He's made both 1.
He has made both 1 and has

507
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:26,480
broken down the dividing wall of
hostility here.

508
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,600
He's specifically talking about
Jews versus Gentiles.

509
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:36,840
So, yeah, so it seems like a
very odd and and also

510
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:41,280
demonstrably false belief.
Yeah, and kind of on that same

511
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:46,440
point, this emphasis on
ethnicity, you know, Romans 96,

512
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:50,360
not all who are descended from
Israel belong to Israel, where

513
00:27:50,360 --> 00:27:54,480
if everything is literally read
through that lens, you are you

514
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:58,040
are missing the bigger idea that
faith in Christ supersedes all

515
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,400
of these things.
Romans 9 through 11.

516
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,760
We've covered it in the past,
you know, some complicated

517
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:07,240
texts, but the the focus is you
know, you're grafted in, you

518
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,560
know, based on faith all.
Right.

519
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:12,680
So conclusions, we've said it,
maybe this will be the third

520
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:18,200
time there's not a centralized
doctrine of someone who's Black

521
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,640
Hebrew Israelites.
So your best bet when talking

522
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:24,560
with a with someone who claims
that or any religion that you're

523
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:28,000
wanting to learn more about what
they believe, ask the individual

524
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:29,680
questions.
What do you believe?

525
00:28:30,120 --> 00:28:31,360
How did you come to that
conclusion?

526
00:28:31,360 --> 00:28:34,760
What did you mean by that?
So that you're drawing out their

527
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,440
answers and that's all you might
have to do.

528
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,240
Oh, that's interesting.
I'll give it some thought and

529
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:41,720
then go on.
If you don't feel like you're

530
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,680
prepared to to talk to them, you
know, when you make statements,

531
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:46,760
then you have to defend them.
But if you just ask questions,

532
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:48,560
you don't really have anything
to defend.

533
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:53,000
So that might be your first bed
if you end up interacting with

534
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:59,200
this someone of this stripe or
or another belief system, but

535
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,240
they do raise some, you know,
concerning patterns.

536
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:08,000
Totally, you read.
I kind of recap some some of the

537
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:11,160
things that they emphasize
ethnic, ethnic exclusivity of

538
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:15,480
salvation.
Justification is conditioned on

539
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:17,360
how well you adhere to the
Torah.

540
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,080
Paul said if it's works, it's
not grace.

541
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:21,560
If it's grace, it's not works.
Yeah, yeah.

542
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,360
Yeah, can't get more clearer
than that.

543
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:29,960
You know, we did say many, some
at least do a firm orthodox

544
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:34,040
Trinity perspective, but many
have this kind of hierarchy of,

545
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,440
you know, Arianism light maybe
or maybe full blown Arianism

546
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:41,280
where the Trinity is not not
explained the same way as as

547
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:44,880
Nicene or these these different
creeds where Christ is maybe a

548
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,960
step down.
And then Christ's mission is

549
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:52,120
very narrow and not not wide to
all the nations you can think of

550
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:53,720
going back to Abraham.
If all the nations are gonna be

551
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:55,240
blessed like how does this how
does this work?

552
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:56,600
Well, and then Christ double S
down.

553
00:29:56,600 --> 00:30:00,800
He's like take it to Jerusalem.
Those are the Jews and to

554
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:02,560
Samaria.
Those are the half Jews who are

555
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,000
hated and then to the uttermost
parts of the earth.

556
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,800
So it's like, you know, it would
be nice to have, you know, a

557
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:10,560
conversation that would be a
conversation.

558
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,080
Although I've seen some of the
street folks not be so polite.

559
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,720
It gets kind of caustic.
And St. preaching in general, I

560
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,920
think even if I agree with the
street preacher some, sometimes

561
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,360
with like the crowd atmosphere,
sometimes it's done like

562
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,240
beautifully, sometimes it's not
done.

563
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,640
It takes a special person to be
patient and gracious.

564
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,240
And it kind of depends on the
grouper.

565
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:31,520
There's a lot of things that
have to go right.

566
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:33,160
I think it can't be done.
OK, but.

567
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,720
There's this guy that shows up
on my feet every now and then

568
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,160
who's a street preacher and does
apologetics.

569
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:39,400
And I agree with what he's
saying.

570
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,200
And sometimes he makes some
really good points, but he

571
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,160
always seems very angry and like
shouting at the group around

572
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,000
him.
I'm like, I don't know if that's

573
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,280
the best look.
I I I cringe a little.

574
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,280
Bit it is tough and it just
takes Yeah.

575
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:51,160
And it's.
It's and.

576
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,200
He's someone I agree.
With and it's someone you agree

577
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,480
with.
Yeah, no, that's that's good.

578
00:30:55,480 --> 00:31:00,480
So in in contrast, the the
gospel we read about in

579
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:04,880
Scripture speaks of salvation as
being through faith in Christ

580
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,120
alone.
The covenant people of God

581
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,080
includes all nation.
We look at revelation and all

582
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:10,720
nations.
That's kind of the trajectory

583
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,800
where everything is going.
And your ethnicity does not

584
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,640
determine entrance into the
Kingdom, doesn't determine

585
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:20,680
covenant membership.
And it really doesn't even

586
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,520
necessarily determine it totally
in the Old Testament.

587
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:25,040
You know what I mean?
Like at this, you can be in or

588
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:26,880
out.
If you don't, you know it's

589
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,440
crazy.
Yeah, Pastor Joel often pokes

590
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,200
fun at me.
If I get a little.

591
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:33,640
That's great.
Love it.

592
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,040
I don't think I've gotten too
emotional.

593
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,160
Bring it back next.
Time I guess I was talking about

594
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:43,120
recent death in one of our
families Sunday.

595
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:46,040
So I did get a little teary.
But one song, you know, when we

596
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:49,640
start singing like Izzy Worthy.
Oh yeah.

597
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:55,360
And there is that talks about us
joining with every one tribe,

598
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:59,160
every nation in tongue.
And you read those passages and

599
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:04,560
you think of a throne room that
has Cubans and Americans and

600
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:08,760
Filipinos and Denisuelans and
Colombians and Russians,

601
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:13,880
Chinese, Japanese, like people
from every tongue, every tribe.

602
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:17,960
We are one in Christ.
That's the beauty of the gospel

603
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,360
and for you to have people who
are basically turn that on its

604
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:24,840
head and say, no, we're not.
Christ didn't come and die for

605
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:28,800
everyone who just died for this
select descendants.

606
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,760
It just kind of reverses, you
know what I think Christ came

607
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:32,280
for?
Oh.

608
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,000
Yeah, totally.
And I think we've been able to

609
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:39,440
show even briefly here, New
Testament passage for New

610
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:40,920
Testament passage.
You know, a lot of times we're

611
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:44,280
just in Galatians hanging out
'cause it's a, it's a great,

612
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:48,680
great one to camp out in.
That's good.

613
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:50,960
Black Hebrew Israelites.
Here we go.

614
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:53,280
What what?
What else you got about them?

615
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:58,240
No, I think I, you know, if I
always want to throw out an

616
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,760
olive branch if we've gotten one
of the beliefs wrong.

617
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:07,200
And note we've already said you
could be use this label and not

618
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,000
fall because there's more than
one type.

619
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:13,440
So, yeah, let us know if if you
are a Black Hebrew Israelite and

620
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,600
we've gotten anything wrong
about how you believe or, you

621
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,760
know, we'd be, we'd love to have
some comments that would say,

622
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:20,920
Harry, here's what we believe,
here's something you miss,

623
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:21,800
here's something new.
Yeah.

624
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:25,560
Please do I would like to hear
more especially about like the E

625
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:27,840
don't like the ancestor stuff
like that's interesting to me,

626
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:31,120
like how that like pans out or
there's different, you know,

627
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,600
maybe different passages they
appeal to and that kind of

628
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:37,040
thing.
But yeah, I'm, I'm all I'm all

629
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:38,240
ears for that.
We've had some pretty good

630
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:39,840
interaction, you know how much,
which is cool.

631
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,320
I like that.
All right, final take.

632
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,400
Final take.
Last take weeds final I was.

633
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:45,400
Just gonna leave it at final.
Yeah.

634
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,040
And I keep just second.
Guessing, I don't know what it

635
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,520
is, we I don't think we declared
definitively.

636
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:51,400
Man, I love it just every, every
episode.

637
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,120
We'll just go back, back and
forth, which is great.

638
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:58,120
I will bring up this.
Our podcast got mentioned in

639
00:33:58,160 --> 00:33:59,760
Sunday school.
I wasn't there for it.

640
00:33:59,920 --> 00:34:01,520
Yeah, it was great.
It was basic.

641
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:03,760
Pastor Joel, I love the plug.
It was good.

642
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:09,600
He said that we've been talking
a lot about Ethan and Jacob

643
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:11,360
Lowry.
It was great.

644
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:15,679
And after in between services, I
was talking to different Ethan,

645
00:34:15,679 --> 00:34:19,760
not Ethan Tanner, but Ethan
Gwynn and Ethan Tanner came up

646
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,480
to me and was like, Oh, is and
that was like the whole he was

647
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,239
like, Oh, I got to check out
this podcast now and I was like

648
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,719
whole podcast was Ethan slander.
We were just slandering.

649
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:27,800
That was a big point we were
about.

650
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,360
Apologetics.
Apologetics for both Ethan

651
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,280
Tanner and Jacob Lowry were
instrumental in the coming of

652
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:34,880
faith.
It wasn't like us, but I made it

653
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:36,800
seem like it was a whole about
him.

654
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,280
It was a series called Ethan
Slander and I was like, next

655
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,960
week is Ethan slander on Gwen.
So we're just going down all the

656
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,639
Ethans of Ethan Hughes is next.
We got a lot of Ethans we can

657
00:34:44,639 --> 00:34:45,520
work our way through.
You know that's.

658
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:46,400
Good.
Yeah.

659
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:50,360
And I think the well, the
apologetics that Ethan Tanner

660
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,719
was into was basically kind of
what we've been doing in this

661
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:54,840
cult series.
He had a family man where he get

662
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:58,720
caught up in a cult really
focused him.

663
00:34:58,720 --> 00:35:00,920
Yeah, that's.
A real world, real life example,

664
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,560
yeah.
Really kind of read know

665
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:07,640
scripture to see what scripture
said and out of trying to rescue

666
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,840
his brother from this cult,
realized I don't even think I'm

667
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:12,640
a true Christian.
Became a believer.

668
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,800
And I think the kind of
apologetics that Jacob was in

669
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:19,640
was more of your traditional
apologetics that you might give

670
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,480
to an atheist or a New Ager.
Yeah, and that's something the

671
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,760
different, you know, different
areas, how they appeal and how

672
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,840
they work in real life
situations or, you know, what's

673
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:30,640
going through your mind and
these kind of things.

674
00:35:31,720 --> 00:35:35,480
It's pretty cool.
We're doing a apologetics adult

675
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:36,480
asylum class coming up.
I.

676
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,320
Thought it was going to be.
Like second, I don't know, it

677
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,120
was mentioned in Sunday school
that it was apologetics, but but

678
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:45,560
maybe that was said incorrectly
and that was like for later on

679
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,440
down the road at all.
It was it was a great it was a

680
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,120
we were talking about like
everything that's happening.

681
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:54,760
So there's a lot a lot said.
Last thing I'll say, I think you

682
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:58,240
have one of these.
Do you have I I bet you guys do.

683
00:35:58,240 --> 00:36:00,440
I just bought one of these
because I just am a sucker for

684
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:01,440
these.
My wife is going to be such a

685
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:05,280
hard time, but it's one of these
cups that you pour cereal and

686
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:06,760
milk in and it like keeps it
separate.

687
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:07,720
You have one of these, don't
you?

688
00:36:07,720 --> 00:36:09,120
Guys, I don't have one.
Chloe does.

689
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:13,160
Chloe asked for it for a gift
and Juju got it for her.

690
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:14,920
For Christmas, I just got it
today.

691
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:18,920
I've been eating cereal all day.
Actually, I I got to get used to

692
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:20,200
it.
I don't like it.

693
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,440
I like my cereal to be a little
bit wet.

694
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:24,720
I don't like it to be soft.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

695
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:29,720
I don't like, I mean, what's
it's like, yeah, I'm not a fan.

696
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:33,160
It's good.
I got, I got, I bought 2.

697
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:35,360
OK.
It was not super thrilled I

698
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:36,800
bought 2, but I was like, hey,
this is great.

699
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:37,960
You can have it.
She's like, I don't, I don't

700
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,000
want it.
And so I had the boys have it

701
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:43,120
and we're just really hyping it
up that yeah, Sierra, it's it's

702
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:44,000
great.
It's great.

703
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,920
We're loving it takes a little
getting used to like, you know,

704
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,280
how fast do you want the milk
like dial on that?

705
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,040
And I think I'm trying to dial
it in a little bit, but it takes

706
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:51,880
and.
You can change.

707
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:53,240
It's like something you can
change to.

708
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:55,520
Or is it just how much you flip
it back?

709
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:58,520
The, the one I have, which might
be different than the one Chloe

710
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,920
has, there's like a little like
hole on the back and put your

711
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,280
finger over it.
It like prevents milk from

712
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,960
coming.
So I kind of get like cereal in

713
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:08,920
and it's like, yeah.
And then I'll let milk up and

714
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:10,480
try to it.
It does take a little bit.

715
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,040
I was like spilling a little
milk here and there.

716
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,760
But I, I, I love the concept.
It's good.

717
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,160
So I've only tried it out a
couple times today.

718
00:37:18,240 --> 00:37:21,320
I guess you could, in theory
pack that for lunch.

719
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:22,320
That's right.
Yeah.

720
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:23,680
Yeah, because it would keep the
cereal.

721
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:25,600
Dry.
And you could put like some

722
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,560
little lunch box ice blocks
type.

723
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:31,440
Thing, but you're right, it
would be ideal if you could like

724
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:36,440
make it like a little bit.
I prefer I am like anti soggy

725
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:40,880
cereal, but like a little bit's
OK, so I prefer this over the

726
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,440
soggy.
So it's like good if you I think

727
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:46,000
it's great if you're like
watching T you're doing

728
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:47,640
something and you're not
committed to the cereal.

729
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:48,520
You know what I'm saying?
Like it's.

730
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:49,640
A second like every now and
then.

731
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:50,960
Yeah, yeah, You know, kicking
back.

732
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:53,880
I can't wait to use this a lot.
I've been making already in the

733
00:37:54,240 --> 00:37:56,200
two hours I've had it, I've had
it more than that.

734
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:59,480
I'm making a lot of references
to it, just like how easy it is

735
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:01,200
to do things.
Like look, I'm doing, I'm

736
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:03,160
working on my laptop and I'm
eating some cereal and that

737
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:03,920
spilling is.
Great.

738
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:05,440
It's funny that you mentioned
cereal.

739
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,760
Yeah, because I was thinking
about mentioning cereal from a

740
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,600
different topic for a banter and
but I'd forgotten about it.

741
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,520
But since you mentioned it on
the radar, Jill and I just ate

742
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:15,280
it.
Rotolo's.

743
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:18,600
Yeah, Yeah, pretty good.
I went into the use a restroom

744
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,560
because my hands were dirty.
OK And then I don't know if

745
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:24,400
you've ever done this, like you
walk into the restroom to wash

746
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:25,800
your hands.
You're like, well, I should

747
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,480
actually use the restroom.
So I get over the urinal.

748
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,240
And if you're not a guy, you
don't know this, but guys in

749
00:38:31,240 --> 00:38:33,680
urinals, they always have those
like little circle things that

750
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:37,680
try to like keep the keep the
urine smell down.

751
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:43,000
And it smelled so delicious.
It smelled like Fruit Loops.

752
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:44,240
Now, you're not a Fruit Loops
fan, are you?

753
00:38:44,240 --> 00:38:45,120
Actually, do you like Fruit
Loops?

754
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:48,280
OK.
It was just like that fruity

755
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:48,800
fruit.
Loops.

756
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:52,640
That's a good point.
We need more different good

757
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:54,400
scents than they're
traditionally employed.

758
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,040
That's a good.
One yeah, I was like man that's

759
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:02,400
I mean you don't normally go to
a guys restroom and go this

760
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,720
smells great this.
Is yeah not not.

761
00:39:04,720 --> 00:39:06,480
The word.
Yeah, there's something there.

762
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:08,000
Fruit Loops.
There you go.

763
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,560
Yeah, I'm not a Cinnamon Toast
Crunch fan that usually.

764
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:12,240
I knew that.
Cinnamon toast, on which there's

765
00:39:12,240 --> 00:39:14,920
two that you're like down on.
Yeah, there probably is.

766
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:16,320
I know Cinnamon Toast Crunch,
fruit Pebbles.

767
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:20,360
I like Fruity Pebbles, but I I
refer to that as literally a

768
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:22,480
32nd cereal that you have to
eat.

769
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:24,240
Yeah, yeah.
And I like it, but if I wait

770
00:39:24,240 --> 00:39:26,240
longer those get soggy too fast.
So that.

771
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:30,520
Might be the ideal candidate for
this thing where some are very

772
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:32,360
crunchy and could use a little
bit of soften.

773
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:33,200
Up.
You know, you wouldn't want to

774
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,760
use your new gadget with Grape
Nuts.

775
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,680
Those gotta soak, yeah?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

776
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:42,520
So it's, you know, maybe it's
it's finding finding that out.

777
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:43,760
I kept I'm trying to think of
the other one.

778
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,120
I'm not, not how, but Cimatos
crunch like people gasp at it.

779
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:48,320
They're like a Lucky Charms.
I'll eat it.

780
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,000
Some of my favorite people gasp
at that.

781
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,080
You know, it's fine.
It's good.

782
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:54,560
Captain Crunch.
Captain Crunch I'm super high

783
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:55,160
on.
It's great.

784
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:58,080
It's great.
Not, not the oops, all berries.

785
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,560
What about Honey Bunches of
votes?

786
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:03,960
Oh, honey, Bunch of votes is
good.

787
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:07,320
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I like it.
Special K Berry.

788
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:08,600
It's fine.
Yeah, it's good.

789
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:10,120
It's good.
I I like, I like this is like

790
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:12,280
not my favorite here, but
they're like a good getting the

791
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:14,520
rotation.
I've actually gone away from

792
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:16,720
cereal, which has been probably
good for my health.

793
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:19,680
And now I'm just opening that
door and I'm just like going to

794
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:22,800
be, it's not going to be good.
But it's, you know, I'm, I'm

795
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:24,640
excited for it and I'm committed
to it.

796
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:27,160
And I've talked it up so much
that I've just got a, I've got

797
00:40:27,240 --> 00:40:28,040
there's.
No, going back.

798
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:32,440
It's like you can't let
Leanne's, you know, claim that

799
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:34,960
you made a bad purchase.
Of course, of course not.

800
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,160
So you have to, you have to go
above and beyond this show.

801
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:39,440
No, this was a great purchase.
You know, maybe want another

802
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:41,400
banter.
I should, I'll recount all of

803
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:45,360
the, I have a tendency
occasionally to get like off the

804
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,160
wall, not off the wall.
Things like this that are like,

805
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:51,760
you know, a little bit random.
Sometimes I see more of A use

806
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:53,440
for them than my wife does.
And I was like, why?

807
00:40:53,720 --> 00:40:55,120
Why are what are we doing with
this?

808
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,240
So you got it.
Got to play it up.

809
00:40:57,240 --> 00:40:59,560
But yeah, that's the serial
corner.

810
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,040
So any anything else we want to
add?

811
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,440
Well, probably we should say
this is going to go out

812
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:09,920
Thursday.
What would that be?

813
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:11,240
The 19th?
Is that right?

814
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,920
Yeah.
And we're recording this on

815
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:17,640
Monday, the 16th.
And man, just a massive storm

816
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:22,240
that came through just wreaked
havoc across the whole state of

817
00:41:22,240 --> 00:41:24,000
South.
They just like ran back.

818
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:26,800
I heard Goose Creek got some
hail this morning or overnight.

819
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:28,200
Maybe not.
Maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe I.

820
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:28,960
Maybe I.
Dressed it.

821
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:30,720
Next one has some hail.
Yeah, that's.

822
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:32,880
Right, that's right.
That's pretty good.

823
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:36,320
But yeah, it was a whole lot of
nothing like especially in the

824
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:38,280
morning, beautiful day to be out
of school.

825
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:41,520
Like what a life.
I know they, they called, they

826
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,400
they reached out to all the
chess sponsors and like, what?

827
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,720
What about pushing the lower
school to Tuesday?

828
00:41:47,720 --> 00:41:50,600
And I was like, we can do it.
I was, I was like, I'm fine

829
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:53,800
going Monday and then turn.
I was like, OK, well, I guess

830
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:55,640
I'll get to teach 'cause I was
going to be out.

831
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:57,640
And then I was like, oh, no,
school's cancelled.

832
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:04,200
So I don't know.
I, I, there's been like one of

833
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:06,960
these cancellations where I've
been like, OK, that day was good

834
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,680
to cancel, but most of the time
I'm like, this is crazy that we

835
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:10,920
cancel.
I know I feel like the

836
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:14,520
incentives are like dis aligned
where I do think it's in the

837
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:18,640
best interest of new stations
and meteorologists to really

838
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:19,840
hype it up.
Like, I get it.

839
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,560
And it's like their passion
where I'm not saying they're

840
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:24,920
they're hyping up for no reason,
but they're probably in their

841
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,240
heart of hearts thinking there's
a 2% chance that could save

842
00:42:27,240 --> 00:42:28,640
someone's life or something like
that.

843
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,360
It's like a good thing to do,
but it's like out of proportion.

844
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:33,880
It's just like all the time.
It's just your classic cold

845
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:36,920
front moving across the
continental US in a line.

846
00:42:37,720 --> 00:42:41,200
And in this stage of the game,
there's not enough energy in the

847
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:44,520
atmosphere typically that you're
going to get, you know,

848
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:49,360
tornadoes and stuff like that.
I mean, the wind, it was windy,

849
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:51,640
but it wasn't like, yeah, it
wasn't crazy over wind or

850
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:52,760
anything.
So I I don't.

851
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:54,840
Know, you know what on the side
what we should do, we should

852
00:42:54,840 --> 00:43:00,560
start weather station weather
podcast and it can be like today

853
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:05,520
is March 15th to March 16th.
People are talking bad weather.

854
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:07,320
It's not gonna be that bad.
Put it out there and just be

855
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:08,920
like we were right.
We could like recount all the

856
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:12,320
times we were right.
So something to think about.

857
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:14,360
You know, yeah, that'd be good.
Man.

858
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,960
Well, until next time.
Until next time, that's our

859
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,880
thing.
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860
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,080
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861
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:25,600
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862
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