How NOT to Read the Bible | Don’t Ignore the World Behind the Text

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Are you reading your Bible?
That we we should say that

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that's the first good stuff.
Just read your Bible.

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Yeah, that's good.
There that that's the first

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thing you can do, right?
So in, in some sense, I don't

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think we're being overly picky
'cause these things are

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important.
But big picture, read your

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Bible.
Read your Bible.

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Don't want to discourage anyone
and pray everyday.

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And you'll.
Grow, grow, grow.

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Oh, it's great, children.
Some children don't just have

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that staying power.
I know, I know, it's good.

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I love it.
Well, we are in episode 2 of How

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Not to Read Your Bible.
Last week we talked about word

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studies.
Word studies are good.

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I'm a pro word study guy.
Just be aware.

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Did you see Eros Phileo and?
Yeah, made me think what we

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talked about it was.
Great, almost almost pecked you

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on the shoulder.
But you know, Jackson was so he

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was pretty busy Sunday, Jill
says.

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Like I never noticed, but he's
he's always he's right in front

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of me.
Yeah, I know.

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It's just like.
That yeah, he's always like

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wondering, counting.
He's he's much more like that

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than Jayden's.
More like to himself.

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Quiet, like, not distraction.
It's great in episode 2.

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Sorry.
We're going to talk about

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historical and cultural context.
Don't don't ignore the world

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behind the text.
It gives you a lot of insight

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and and that's a two way St.
Don't ignore it.

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Also, we might not talk about
much.

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Don't over emphasize it.
Yeah, there is a balance here.

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You should because sometimes
maybe, maybe we'll, we'll say

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this because I haven't read
through all of these notes, but

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but sometimes you could like,
oh, it has to be exactly the

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same way as what this was.
And that's not like sometimes

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you are.
Coming in, yeah, there, there

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might be a difference.
You can't know things, maybe

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100% certain.
But what we do know is that the

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Bible was written to real people
in real places, in real

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situations.
And if you ignore that you

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you're going to miss a lot of
what's going on.

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I think that's really good.
'Cause I think, I think we've

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all thought this at one time or
another.

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You've read something in the
Bible and thought like that

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seems like a weird thing to say.
Why would anyone say that?

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Maybe you would even say like
that kind of seems out of place

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or random or kind of weird.
I got some examples I'm thinking

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of right now, but I'll say.
That, oh, that's good because we

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know God's word is inspired.
It's infallible.

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It's it's not random.
And if you know, a little, even

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just like a little bit of
digging helps paint a picture.

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And and that's the difference
between reading the Bible as

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this arbitrary quote book versus
a real letter or, you know, a

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real narrative or poetry based
on real things.

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So with that in mind, let's go
ahead and take it to the next

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level.
Let's fire up that twangy music.

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From the hearts of the Low
Country in South Carolina.

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It's the Take Two podcast where
we take theology to the next

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level.
All.

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Right.
It's a question for you, Michael

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Mott.
And I'm taking a lot of this

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series from some of DA Carson's
work.

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And a guy named Andy Nasali, he
worked closely with DA Carson

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and he asked this question.
It's kind of a loaded question.

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Is background information ever
necessary to understand the

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Bible?
And that's is it necessary?

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Yeah, I think so.
And in fact, I knew someone

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attended our church a long time
ago, and he made the claim that

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really, whatever interpretation
you came up with, and however it

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was translated, like, you didn't
really even need to know the

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original Greek, like, like, God
would never let a bad

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translation happen, and God
would never let a bad

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interpretation happen.
And this guy stood by it, like

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me and Joel sat down with this
guy and talked to me.

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And he's like, yeah, so this
would be counter that like so

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there are people out here there
who might say no, background

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information is not.
Necessary.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But but we would say that it it

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is necessary.
It's not like you have to have

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it to get the big.
Picture.

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Totally.
You don't.

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Yeah, yeah, the we believe
Scripture is clear.

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You can get a big picture, but
like I think you're gonna say.

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Yeah, if you want to get some of
the details or understand like

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some of the nuances or some of
the word play, then the more you

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read it and the more you
understand the culture, the

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easier those things are gonna
come to you.

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No, that that's great.
And Andy Nasali in one of his

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books How to Read and nurse in
the New Testaments, he would

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agree with you and say, yes, he
writes, he has this cautiously

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caveat cause what we mentioned
at the top that sometimes the

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backgrounds it it should.
It's background information, not

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foreground information.
And this might be just me, but I

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think some really helpful
resources.

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I really like the Bible project
'cause they help with context,

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but I think they do this
sometimes where it it that runs

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the show more than the text.
Right.

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And then you could have.
So they're not the only people.

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Not the only people.
So, but there are others who

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might say like Job is midrash,
it's just a long story that's

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like an Aesop's fable.
You're supposed to learn from

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it.
And they kind of give some

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information as to why that might
be the case.

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But I think it it would be
totally fitting for someone to

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write a real story that kind of
matches that and says, hey,

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we're going to kind of ride this
genre.

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But this is real, this is true,
and we want you to learn from

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it.
Yeah, and and it's it's just

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balanced because I will listen
to Bible projects stuff all day,

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even stuff I don't 100% agree
because I think I can gain some

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stuff.
But you just got to be careful

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of like teasing out where they
land.

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I think, you know, a lot of this
excitement about, you know, the

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unseen realm can fall into this.
Some of it's really well done

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and some people are good to say
like speculative, whatever.

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Some people run with like 1
little anecdote and that's like,

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man, this is everywhere.
And it's like you, you should

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take that into account.
But the other thing to keep in

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mind too is also you've got to
like interpret these historical

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sources.
Like, you know, that's another

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like you might be reading the
historical sources wrong.

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So anyway, it's importance when
when posed with this question,

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it might surprise you that
someone like Wayne Grudem, he

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caveats it.
He says, no, I don't think you

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need background information, but
he's trying to guard the clarity

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of Scripture.
And if you dig into his

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comments, they're actually
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He's just like hedging his bets
really hard one way, other

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people, the other way you.
Know, and like we said, it is

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readable like you are going to
build to pick out the main

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themes, understand what's going
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going to be weird.
And I think the more you can

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read it in a long time and
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there's gonna be those little
odds and you're like, that just

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doesn't make sense.
But you know, I'm sure it did to

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them.
We'll, we'll dive into it more.

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Why does historical context
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Well, every passage you read
that there's an author or

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speaker, there's an audience and
they're talking about something,

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there's some sort of situation.
And if you don't totally grasp

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all of that, maybe not totally
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If you if you miss those, you're
gonna miss some meaning.

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So let's look at an example.
This is a a a controversial

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text.
That it just came up on our

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Eastern Orthodox did it, Yeah,
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Well, there we go.
Maybe.

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This is I responded to it.
I need to, I need to catch up on

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YouTube.
First Corinthians, 11/2 through

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16.
We're talking head coverings.

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Everyone's getting excited.
Who doesn't?

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Love the talk head coverings.
I wear ball caps all the time.

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Is that, is that what we're
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Ball caps?
We'll, we'll dive into the

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context and we'll try to
understand this a little bit

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better.
Some things to keep in mind and

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some of this stuff, you know, I
think you can quibble with a

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little bit.
But you know, during religious

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ceremonies during this time, it
was known that Pagan Roman men

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with high social status would
maybe sometimes pull their togas

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over their heads when they
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It was like associated with a
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That's something that you can
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You can find instances of that.
You also find instances that if

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a woman covered her head
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indicated she was married and
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modesty and chastity and
submission to a husband In this

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way, you know, a wife could
honor her husband in a

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historical context, historical
cultural context that Paul was

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writing in.
You could even make the argument

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that, you know, there is a new
kind of wife emerging in the

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Roman world, you know, one who
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husbands.
You know, in that day, it was

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more allowable for men to be
promiscuous and the wife wasn't

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allowed to.
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pushback there where Paul was
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You know, they seem to be
debated which one's like the

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primary kind of thing.
But but things are going on that

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you want to pay attention to
that that are pertinent to this

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conversation on should women
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And part of that interpretation
will help you understand not

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only the passage but also, you
know, play into this

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conversation.
Does that mean everyone should

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be wearing this stuff today or
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Is it totally cultural or is it
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And yeah, I think that's good
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definitely creation order items
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but Paul's application of those
creation order items may not be

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applicable to us today.
And I think I, I always want to

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be very cautious before I come
to God's word and say, oh, this

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is cultural.
This doesn't apply to us today.

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So I, I would not recommend, you
know, you coming to that

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conclusion without a very, very
strong reason.

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But I think even the Bible gives
us some of that because you have

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priests in the Old Testament who
are wearing coverings and

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they're offering up prayers.
And so it is like.

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It's.
Opposite of what Paul's command

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is in the New Testament.
So I, I think Paul's going to

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talk about the men coming 1st
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those are definitely creation
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But then he's going to apply
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I think he's going to say in
this culture, you should do

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this.
Another thing is that, you know,

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if a husband is making his wife
wear a head covering, think it

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kind of does what it's saying
because she's supposed to wear

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the head covering out of as a
symbol of her own submission to

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her husband.
So if we had a couple that

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attended our church for a while
and she wore head coverings and

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I don't have any.
No, you haven't really thought

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about that.
No, like I'm not about kidding.

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I'm totally.
Kidding, that's I think that's

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fine to do that, but I think
it's you should also recognize

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that that this not necessarily a
sin that's more of a symbolic.

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Yeah, that that that's good.
And this is just not a throwaway

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note, but also which adds to
some of maybe not the confusion.

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Context is always king.
But you know, you read this

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passage in the NIV and the word
that's translated wife and the

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ESV will just be women and NIV.
And so, you know, do you make

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that you know what some of that
stuff you got to pay attention

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to that's.
Tough because it's the same word

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in the.
It's the same, yeah.

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And so you got to make that the
translators are making a

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judgment call.
Right.

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And so you we probably don't
have time to get into it, but

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for, you know, just the, the the
word Paul.

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I think he's talking to Timothy
where he says I do not allow a

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woman to speak, but she should
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something like that.
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wife and husband.
Yeah, and that and that gives a

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a different flavor to it than
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Yeah, exactly.
It's very weird for every woman

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to be in total submission to
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That doesn't make sense.
But very good for a wife to be

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in total submission to her
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Yeah, exactly.
So just to know that's a

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different kind of context, but
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Another example, one that we've
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going to this one, Michael.
Revelation.

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Three, we're talking hot, cold
or lukewarm because what what

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people say is the ideals to be
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That's what you want to be.
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spiritually cold than to be this
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person.
I think I I heard that so much

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growing up and I think it's
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because of the historical,
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Right.
So this is Laodicea, it's

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position between Hieropolis and
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And so if you go back there, it
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its own.
Hieropolis had warm water

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springs, and Colossi had cold
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viaducts that would bring that
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But by the time it got the
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water was cooled down and it was
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just tepid.
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refreshing or the warm
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You just got blah from both
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Yeah.
So he's, but it's like useful

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versus useless versus you might
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That's not what he's.
Saying that's not what he's

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saying because both hot and cold
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Yes, they're both useful.
It's just that, yeah.

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I wish you would be something
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Nothing.
Yeah, that's.

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Great, one more that we'll talk
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Romans 13, all about the
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You know, you could read this
and you can miss to the point

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and walk away saying, well,
whatever the government says,

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says what I have to do.
Oh, yeah, I'm totally silent.

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I've got no, I've got no agency
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I just got to go along with it.
They didn't work for the

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Egyptian midwives, didn't work
for rehab, didn't work for the

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guys that stood trial at
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No, that, that, that that's so
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So you even look at other parts
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line up?
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Romans 13, you got to take into
account the Roman Empire, the

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minority Christian movement, the
risk of persecution, where Paul

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in effect is, is more saying
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governments, not saying every
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what they do, it's got to fall
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But if you're not paying
attention, you can miss the

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point.
If you don't know what's

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happening, you'll, you'll just
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about, you know, what's going on
in your life right now or you're

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not, you're not taking these
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So that that's Section 1,
looking at historical context,

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why it matters.
Let's talk about cultural

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distance, because America's very
similar to the ancient Near

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East, right?
We're not even, you know, I

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think most people assume that
we're very similar to the Roman

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culture.
But the.

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Roman culture was much harsher
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Obviously we get some of our
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but those have been vastly
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In fact, there's a couple books
out right now that where there's

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an atheist and I can't remember
the name of it, but he basically

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went back to Roman culture, was
studying it, thinking that he

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would find, you know, we don't
need Christianity, but how harsh

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of a culture it was and how much
that Christianity had influenced

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it.
He's like, I really thought I

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love Roman culture, but what I
do love is Christian culture.

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He's not.
Saying he's just a.

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Lever but he likes the culture
that Christianity has brought

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about.
Man, that's good.

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This is like, I think maybe a
little teasers for this

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government episode.
Like you know how you're

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thinking about this kind of
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There's plenty of examples.
We we could go to you talk about

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something, you know, as simple
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We see this famously in John 13.
You might read that and say.

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Everyone needs a wash feet.
Yeah, it's a nice act of

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humility.
Like you cut, you get the gist

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of it, but I think it's hard to
understand like how dirty the

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roads were, how it was really,
this is a servant job in a way

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humiliating for someone.
This is just not this is not

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what you're supposed to do.
And it really does redefine

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leadership, reverse status
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I mean, I think that one, you
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But if you dig into it, maybe
you're like, oh, this is more

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than what you might see if you
thought about it today.

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Michael's favorite verse?
Greet one another with a holy

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kiss.
You know me, I'm just going

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around smooching everyone in
church.

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You might read that and say,
man, I wanna, I wanna be a Bible

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believing Christian.
I'm gonna start kissing

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everybody.
But that, that's a cultural

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thing, right?
But you're right, you.

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Need to that that still exists,
there's still certain.

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Cultures might, yeah.
Our culture?

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Not so much.
Yeah, it could.

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It might not be great in certain
cultures, very great sign of

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unity.
Affection in America might be a

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little bit a little bit rough
diving into parables about lost

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sheep, coined sons, everyday
life experiences that, you know,

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we don't have those interactions
with sheep as much this, this

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the even father son
relationships in certain

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contexts.
It's like you just need to dive

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in, get a little bit of context
and it allows you just to see

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what what, what the author's
driving at a little bit more

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clearly.
Now let's look at look,

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interpreting through the world
of the text, like some questions

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to ask, things to think about,
and we'll have a few examples.

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Good things to ask yourself is
we'll look at this next week

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even more.
But what's the genre?

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Have you ever heard DA Carson
speak before?

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I have not.
So he is Canadian?

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OK, Does he pronounce it Jean
Ray?

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So he he, I think he even says
like Jean, Jean just like, yeah,

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Jean.
And I was like.

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Jean Paljean.
Yeah, And I'm like, I was like,

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what's this guy talking about?
But he was about genre.

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He does this.
It's really frustrating this, of

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course, the revelation and it's
online, but like every, it's

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like from the 90s or something.
So everything's like out of

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order.
It's like missing a couple

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lectures and it's like just the
good part you want to listen to.

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It's like the mic cuts out.
Yeah, my only caveat to genre.

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Yeah, and it is true because you
want to you want to let the

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genre speak for itself.
But you I haven't to kind of

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piggyback on our our end times.
I've been in a conversation

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where someone was like, well,
you know, the thousand year is

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is figurative.
Well, how do you know that?

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Because it's apocalyptic?
Well, how do you know it's

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apocalyptic?
Well, because it uses

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apocalyptic language and numbers
like, you know, and I'm like, so

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it can be a little bit circular
in some of those things.

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I'm not saying that Revelation
is not apocalyptic scripture or

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because it is in that genre.
But, you know, again, you want

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to, you want to not push these
so far that you stop the text

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from saying what it's clearly
trying to say, you know?

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I, I, I think that's good.
Additionally, we talked about

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it, who wrote it, who's
speaking, when was it written,

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Where was it written?
Who was it written to?

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Who's listening?
Why did the author write it?

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What problem are is being
addressed?

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We talked about these a little
bit.

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Let's look at, I don't know if
you want to turn to Matthew 19,

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verse 24.
And I'm curious your take on

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this cause I've heard all sorts
of things, but we're talking.

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Five, I was curious how you're
gonna come down because I've

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heard this a couple ways too.
So just 24, it says again.

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I say to you, it is easier for a
camel to go through the eye of a

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needle than for a rich man to
enter the Kingdom of God.

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Great.
So the question is, is he

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talking about an actual needle
or is this a small opening maybe

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in a gate of ancient Near
Eastern cities that were often

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called Needle's eyes?
Because I've heard both.

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I've heard both of these.
Things I've heard people like,

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no, people just made-up the gate
thing and then I've heard people

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say no, this is an actual thing.
So either way, yeah, yeah, it

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would be hard.
I guess the point of it is that

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this is a difficult thing.
So this.

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Is a good example where
sometimes you think you could be

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uncovering more, but maybe
you're not.

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Maybe you are.
I'm I'm taking the some of this

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from Andy Nacelles.
This is how he talks about it.

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So we we all familiar with an
actual needle you would sew with

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and then what some people call
needle's eye.

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It would be in the gate of an
ancient eastern city that was

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too small really for a camel to
go through with all its supplies

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on and and people on it.
But potentially maybe if you

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unloaded it got on his knees,
you could like squeeze it

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through.
Still not easy.

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What Andy Nasali goes on to say
is if you check the sources,

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like the first time you see this
is like in the 9 hundreds, he

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says not, not that it couldn't
be true, but likely fabricated.

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But I think your point is the
larger point.

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Like zoom out.
What's Jesus trying to say?

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You can't take historical
cultural context and overlaid on

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the text and say this is what
Jesus meant.

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Is he saying it's totally
impossible for a rich person to

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be saved?
He's saying it's it's it you

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need God.
You can't do it on your own.

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Likely using some hyperbole
'cause we know Abraham, Jacob,

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Isaac, Solomon, rich guys, a lot
of people are rich.

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Likely saying things like
material wealth is not

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necessarily a sign of God's
blessing and actually it can be

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an impediment of being saved.
You need it's even impossible

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without God's power.
It's good to look into so-called

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stories for truth, but you don't
necessarily like need it to be

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one of these things where it's
important but not to end all be

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all.
And and it's not like there is

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some hidden meaning behind.
Yes, that's.

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True Jesus point is riches can
hinder your your entering into

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the Kingdom.
So beware of riches, not that

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they stop you.
That's right.

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That's exactly, exactly right.
We've talked about James 2 and

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Romans a lot.
What?

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Which James are you talking
about?

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Or who is James talking to?
This Jewish Christian audience,

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they're kind of struggling with
maybe dead orthodoxy, cultural

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pressure of hypocrisy where
James is not, you know,

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redefining what it means to be
saved and justified through

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before God.
He's exposing a fake faith that

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that's dead.
You say one thing, but your life

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does not back it up.
So anyway, context take it away.

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Also, what a great what?
It's my life first you were

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about to talk about first.
I, I typed into the notes, so

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the Zach, 'cause he's like, hey,
'cause I didn't, I didn't want

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to steal Thunder from a, a
future episode.

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But in this vein, you know,
you're talking about every

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scripture has an author and has
an intended audience.

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One place where I think this can
be difficult is when those

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audiences can be mixed.
If you read through the Upper

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Room discourse, Jesus is talking
to the disciples, and I think

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sometimes it's very clear he's
talking to them as apostles.

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You know the Spirit's going to
lead you into all truth.

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OK.
Yeah, Yeah.

450
00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:01,560
Yeah, right, right.
If that is a promise to every

451
00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:04,680
Christian, I I hate saying this,
but the Spirit has failed

452
00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:07,640
because Christians disagree.
But what?

453
00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:10,440
I think it is is a promise to
those apostles when they are

454
00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:13,520
writing Scripture and they are,
you know, saying basically thus

455
00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:16,600
saest to the Lord the the Spirit
is going to keep them from

456
00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,360
speaking error.
But there's also times when he's

457
00:22:19,360 --> 00:22:22,480
talking in that upper room that
it seems clear he's talking

458
00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:25,560
about Christians at large, not
just apostles.

459
00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:29,080
So some sometimes the audience
can be you got to you got to use

460
00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:30,560
a little wisdom to try to figure
that out.

461
00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:33,600
That's a supply really does a
supply just to Peter, James,

462
00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:36,760
John, you know, Matthew.
So here's a passage.

463
00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,800
It's graduation season.
Not difficult to figure out who

464
00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:43,000
it's written to Jeremiah 2911
for.

465
00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:46,120
I know the plans I have for you,
says the Lord.

466
00:22:46,120 --> 00:22:48,600
Plans for a future and for a
hope.

467
00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:51,400
It's for like someone like
finishing school and they're

468
00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:53,000
like going into like a nursing
program that's.

469
00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:56,560
Right, right, right.
And if you keep going, he's

470
00:22:56,560 --> 00:23:00,320
like, he's going to restore my
land that I lost and he's going

471
00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:03,600
to restore my money and my fruit
trees and stuff.

472
00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:06,120
Like, wait a minute, I don't
have land that I lost or fruit

473
00:23:06,120 --> 00:23:08,400
trees that I lost.
Because this is clearly taken

474
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:13,040
from a letter that Jeremiah
wrote to those Jews in exile in

475
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:17,520
Babylon.
It's not to me and you could you

476
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:21,320
extract some truth for it for
us, yes, God is sovereign.

477
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:24,120
He has plans.
That doesn't mean that the plans

478
00:23:24,120 --> 00:23:27,280
for everyone is that because if
you keep reading, he talks about

479
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:31,040
the Jews who, you know,
intermarried with the the

480
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,120
surrounding culture.
And he says, and for them, I've

481
00:23:33,120 --> 00:23:37,280
got calamity for them.
And, and, and so people always

482
00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:39,680
want to claim the good one, but
they don't want to claim the bad

483
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:40,640
one.
We should start putting

484
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:42,560
calendars with some of the bad
ones on there.

485
00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:43,640
I love it.
Yeah.

486
00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:46,280
Honestly, be consistent.
So I think I think that's good.

487
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:48,960
And I think you nailed it.
Like some of these principles

488
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:50,520
you can take from it, but you
can't.

489
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,120
You got to be careful about
claiming these things.

490
00:23:53,120 --> 00:23:53,880
Both.
Yeah, 'cause you're right.

491
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:58,480
Goes goes both ways.
Anything else you want to read

492
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,040
about historical, cultural
context?

493
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:04,120
I what I find very helpful, it's
like it's perfect amount.

494
00:24:04,120 --> 00:24:06,840
You get like a good study by,
but it's got like 2 pages on a

495
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:09,400
letter.
That's really like that helps

496
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:13,000
you tremendously without doing a
80 minute deep dive.

497
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,480
You got to get enough and you
can always dive more, but those

498
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:18,800
are wonderful like the date, a
timeline, what else is going on,

499
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:19,920
What's the problem?
Who wrote it?

500
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:22,920
You can unpack a lot in a very
short amount of time.

501
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:26,120
Yeah, one other one you
mentioned Ancient Near Eastern

502
00:24:26,120 --> 00:24:31,920
Cultures 1 The interpretation of
Genesis is that people will say

503
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:37,720
that Moses is just writing
another creation story and

504
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:42,000
because he uses some motifs that
the ancient, you know, the the

505
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:46,080
Babylonians or the Canaanites
use 'cause they could.

506
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:47,320
We have those and we look at
them.

507
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:50,520
But there are also some stark
differences that Moses.

508
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:52,600
And I think it's the
differences, not the salinity,

509
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,440
that counts because the son
doesn't have a name.

510
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:58,160
It's not wrong.
It's not.

511
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:00,880
Oddly missing.
Right and and all those other

512
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,280
ones, you know, all these
prominent things had names

513
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:06,280
because they were gods and Moses
just saying it's a greater

514
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,560
light.
It's the lesser light.

515
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:14,320
It's the stars like these things
are are in and objects and God

516
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:20,000
creates from X Neo in Genesis 1.
Now there are some, you know,

517
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:24,440
the the was void without form.
I think if I'm remembering

518
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,600
correctly, that phrase may be
used in other places.

519
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,960
And so Moses does say, you know,
the earth was void without form

520
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:32,000
and then God's going to change
it.

521
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,600
But previously that he said it
created it from nothing, which

522
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:36,400
is starkly different than those
others.

523
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:40,520
So another place where you want
to know, like, I think knowing

524
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:44,160
the ancient Near Eastern culture
and knowing it well enough could

525
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:48,440
help you say, OK, Moses is
saying it's similar but

526
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:49,280
different.
Yeah.

527
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:51,920
'Cause something like flood
accounts, everyone's, you know,

528
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:53,640
you hear these things all the
time.

529
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:56,280
But it's not exactly the same.
Yeah, there's there's huge

530
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,520
differences.
Cause 'cause that's you talk to

531
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:00,400
an atheist when they'll, they'll
already be like, well, there's a

532
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:01,920
ton of these accounts.
There's a ton of these things.

533
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:03,360
It's just like one out of a
dozen.

534
00:26:03,360 --> 00:26:05,880
But that's right.
I good rule of thumb in any

535
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:07,880
debate or anything is like just
drill down in specifics.

536
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:09,680
Be like, you know, yeah, that
that's really good.

537
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:11,880
I like it.
That's good.

538
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,600
Know your context.
We're going to continue the

539
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:18,760
context conversation next week
and talk about literary context

540
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:23,760
a little bit more, but that's
good final take.

541
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:28,520
Let's do it.
I'm wearing I I found a very old

542
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:32,400
Arsenal English Premier League.
Did you know you had it and you

543
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:33,720
just were like looking for?
It or I was.

544
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:34,720
I knew.
I knew I had it.

545
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:36,720
I got it for my birthday
probably when I was probably

546
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:41,360
circa 2005 Arsenal.
The last time they won the

547
00:26:41,360 --> 00:26:44,320
English Premier League was the
2003, 2004 season.

548
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:48,920
So.
Huge Manchester United fan.

549
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:52,200
They were, yeah, those, those
were the 2 Wayne Rooney and

550
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:56,760
Ronaldo against Andre.
And it was, you know, I all my,

551
00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,760
I, I feel like everyone was on
the Man U bandwagon, man.

552
00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:02,800
I was like a lone a loner on the
Arsenal.

553
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,720
And Arsenal's good.
They they are likely going to

554
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:10,080
win the EPL again for the first
time since 2003 and maybe the

555
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:13,920
Champions League.
Yeah, we have a soak adopted son

556
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:17,760
in Burma and he's a huge
Manchester United.

557
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:19,880
Oh seriously?
That breaks my heart, man.

558
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:21,920
Manchester.
Because that was like the mortal

559
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,840
enemy.
But I've been watching Arsenal

560
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,920
this season a little more and
man, they, they, they actually

561
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,280
get a lot of, a lot of hate.
But it's so fun to watch.

562
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,120
Like the soccer culture.
Cause I've just been like so far

563
00:27:34,120 --> 00:27:37,760
removed from it.
Like the celebrations, the

564
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:41,160
pregame and postgame songs.
Arsenal's got such a good one

565
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:42,840
that they didn't have when I was
in high school.

566
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:44,680
It's new.
Can you sing it for us?

567
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:46,280
I cannot sing it.
You should look it up though.

568
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:48,640
It's it's it.
You can look under the title

569
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,640
North London Forever.
North London forever.

570
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:55,120
It's so, it's so good and it's
like you just got thousands of

571
00:27:55,120 --> 00:27:58,360
people like singing this anthem
before every home game and then

572
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:00,720
after every home game.
It's good, so good.

573
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:02,280
It's kind of like an alma mater
or something.

574
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:04,840
Yeah, yeah, For a fight song,
it's like, it's like a fight

575
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,720
song, but I don't know why I
don't like college fight songs.

576
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,680
They're I don't like that genre
of music that like pep, like.

577
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,680
On, on, on to victory.
Yeah, it's our.

578
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,440
Team is second to none.
Yeah, exactly.

579
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:17,440
I know that's a lot of people's
things.

580
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,480
It's not.
It's like this is more of like

581
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,640
Anthem.
It's like slower and like.

582
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:25,640
Is that what it is?
It's like the haka.

583
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:27,120
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's great.

584
00:28:27,120 --> 00:28:29,320
It's not, it's, I can't, I can't
describe it.

585
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,120
It's almost like you wouldn't
think it would be good 'cause it

586
00:28:31,120 --> 00:28:35,920
is like slow and drawn out.
But it's, it's been good and

587
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:39,400
we'll see if Arsenal can pull it
off beat.

588
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,120
See the 2nd place I think is
Manchester City.

589
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:44,480
My Oh my hell Manchester United
has fallen.

590
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:45,960
They have their glory days, you
know I.

591
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,000
Don't keep up with it.
So I don't know, is Manchester

592
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:49,640
United not doing very well?
I think they're fine.

593
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:51,480
They're probably middle of the
table.

594
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:55,360
For understand like if you're
really good it's the same team

595
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,440
that moves up into higher
levels, but if you're bad you

596
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,120
move lower.
There's relegation and divisions

597
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,200
like so if you are at the bottom
of the table, you risk, yeah,

598
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,440
being bumped down out of the
Premier.

599
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:08,520
Like you want to be in the
highest level of the Premier

600
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,080
League.
Man U is always usually the big

601
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,200
clubs are always there in some
of these little clubs like you

602
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,440
know, will fall in and out.
So like for baseball, it would

603
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:21,120
be like our river dogs, river
dogs, river dogs.

604
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:25,080
I was like thinking River City
dogs, but river dogs and.

605
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,120
Maybe the Yankees would drop
down where there's always a set

606
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,960
number, but you're incentivized.
If you're good enough, you can

607
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:33,640
go up.
And that helps people prevent

608
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:35,560
tanking because you don't want
to be bumped down.

609
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:39,040
You lose TV games, all of these
things, your fans aren't going

610
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,920
to be happy.
It's a really good system, but

611
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,600
you can't do it in America
because no one's going to agree

612
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:47,520
to being bumped down.
Like at this point, they're

613
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:48,320
like, we're already in the
league.

614
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,120
We don't want to, you know, lose
that or, you know, lose our

615
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,920
status, so.
America's League is MLS, is that

616
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:56,240
right?
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

617
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,080
Yeah.
And so how, how do we, this is

618
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:03,320
good education for me.
So how does an MLS team go play

619
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,560
in the FIFA World Cup?
Or does that not happen?

620
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:08,800
It's.
Only countries in the World Cup

621
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,640
same thing like Arsenal is not
going to play the World Cup but

622
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,440
England will like their team in
north like maybe.

623
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:18,520
They just take the best out of
menu Arsenal, so they just take

624
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,840
the best out of all these teams
and form an English team.

625
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,120
Yes, exactly.
They'll have English team,

626
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:25,880
something else that's really
fun.

627
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:28,280
They have the Champions League.
I wish we would do this in other

628
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:29,080
sport.
Maybe they do.

629
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,760
And America, I guess we're
isolated, but the Champions

630
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,840
League takes the best teams from
the English Premier League, from

631
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:38,120
the Bundeslig, from the La Liga,
Spain, Bundesliga, things.

632
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:42,840
Germany, Syria, Italy, and they
all play throughout the season.

633
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:47,600
And right now Arsenal, if they
the final, they're playing PSG,

634
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:50,720
French team to win.
But it's kind of cool because

635
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,280
you kind of see how you do the
Champions League.

636
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:55,160
You have like multiple
tournaments going on.

637
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,920
And for soccer, it's like you
want the most points.

638
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:01,600
It's not necessarily always like
a playoff in bracket, but it's,

639
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,440
you know, over the course of a
season, so.

640
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,040
So when you're going to
someone's home to help them with

641
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,280
physical therapy, you're like,
hey, let's just turn on the.

642
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,160
Game yeah, let's because.
The time difference is they're

643
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,160
normally playing during the
middle of the day, right?

644
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,000
Yeah, a lot of times they play
like Wednesdays and weekends,

645
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:19,680
like they play a couple games a
week and it'll be, they have

646
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,120
like a pride, like a late game,
like a 8:00 PM England game

647
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,640
being like 12:00, you know,
right in the middle of the day

648
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,640
kind of thing.
If they have like an early 5:00

649
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,240
game, it's like kind of early or
whatever.

650
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,840
Or real late, depending on your.
Yeah, depending on yeah, where

651
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:32,280
you're at.
So it's it's been cool.

652
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:34,560
And I was like this, you know,
where this jersey a lot.

653
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:36,680
It's, you know, there you go,
Tieri.

654
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:40,800
Tieri Henry was the man.
Very nice and and soccer known

655
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:42,120
as the beautiful game, The
beautiful game.

656
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:42,760
There you go.
Yeah.

657
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:47,760
I saw there was a clip of these
two guys like like it was slow

658
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,760
motion and they're like, you
know, they were like returning

659
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:54,920
it was it was pretty like cool
looking thing and someone just

660
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:59,200
commented that's why they gave
it the name and someone else

661
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,320
said the beautiful game.
I was like, OK, there you go.

662
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:02,560
I'll.
Tell you a lot of people, not

663
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,200
that there's a lot of Arsenal
fans listening, they Arsenal

664
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:05,800
gets a lot of.
Hate.

665
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:07,960
I bet there's a lot of Arsenal
fans listening, yeah.

666
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:10,880
We got the market cornered in
North London.

667
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:13,960
They're not happy with how
Arsenal plays.

668
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:15,480
They I think they think they
play 2.

669
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,800
They win a lot of games 10.
Like they kind of like bolster

670
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:21,880
it down and they're really good
at set pieces, but not

671
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:23,320
necessarily like scoring in the
flow of game.

672
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,720
They kind of game the system in
a way where people are like, I

673
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,000
don't necessarily like.
It so they're it's like a

674
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,560
baseball team that really puts
in a lot of defense and they win

675
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,520
by like.
Just yeah, it's like they barely

676
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:35,680
win and they always win off a
corner kicks or free kicks.

677
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:37,400
It's not like building up and
scoring.

678
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,920
They play and a lot of honestly,
soccer has changed.

679
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:43,520
Everyone is so conservative.
When I grew up it was like

680
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,840
Cristiano Ronaldo on the wing
and doing like 18 step overs,

681
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,880
all these fancy things.
And now it's like you start

682
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,440
dribbling and if someone guards
you, you like Autumn, it's like

683
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:56,200
you do a lot of pass back, more
possession, more like you're

684
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,880
scared to lose the ball.
It's like more punitive

685
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,080
conservative.
They probably run the metrics

686
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,800
and it's like it's it's way
worth it to not take those

687
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:05,880
chances until it's obvious or
something.

688
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:11,840
Could a star player change those
dynamics or are we saying even

689
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,240
if you had a star player, I, I
mean, I don't even know who's

690
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,120
still playing today.
Are are is Ronaldo still

691
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:17,560
playing?
Ronaldo is he?

692
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:19,440
I think he's in a Saudi league.
Like he's old and mess.

693
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,560
He's playing MLS and they're so
they're older, not as good.

694
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:23,320
You're probably right.
I don't.

695
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:27,280
I don't know enough where like
Ronaldo's like such a talent.

696
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,080
Beckham was he?
David Beckham, Sir.

697
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,440
David Beckham.
Yeah, he was on Man U as well

698
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,480
for a little bit.
Yeah, man.

699
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,320
There you go.
Tom Brady, Did he play any?

700
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:40,920
Tom Brady, Yeah, great, great
football player.

701
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:43,360
It's good.
I'm learning.

702
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,000
It's it's it's great.
It's great.

703
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,240
Well, I don't want to bore
people more with Arsenal, but.

704
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,480
Well, I mean, we do have all the
Arsenal fans, so they.

705
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:53,120
North London forever.
I love it.

706
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,000
There you go.
That's our take.

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