A Conversation with Chloe: Faith, Growth, and God’s Grace

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All right.
I was thinking because I was

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looking in my phone, OK, at the
contacts.

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Yeah.
And I have you in there as

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Zachary.
Oh, very formal.

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Yeah.
So I should probably call you

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Zachary all this podcast and you
call me Mike all this.

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Podcast Oh mix it up.
People will know what to do.

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I like it.
But remember Zachary?

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Like.
Good, Good to go, Mike Wise.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Mike Wise.

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Nice.
You might hear another voice in

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here, or you might see another
face this.

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Is what should happen if they
didn't read the title.

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This person should just say like
one word real quick.

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Heard to your mother.
See if you can guess, and then

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when you hear who it is, we'll
see if they're right.

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So maybe 3-4 weeks back you
asked me to name the top 10

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sports by fan base.
Oh yeah, you did well.

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And I thought that maybe we can
have something similar to that.

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I like that.
Yeah, yeah.

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Name the top most mentioned
fantasy characters.

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Man.
The the top 10.

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Wow.
And these are most popular, so

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it could you could have more
than one in this series.

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Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.

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This is for me or the guests?
Yeah, For both of you.

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For both.
Good.

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We need to talk together.
Does the guest one introduce

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themselves so people just know?
I'm Chloe Mott, the best

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daughter.
Wow, shots fired and that

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there's a lot of.
Daughter.

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Yes, the.
Oldest and wise?

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I'm the oldest, so I concur that
oldest is usually the best.

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Fantasy means anything like
video games or fantasy or no?

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Well, So what I asked this is
from change we do.

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You guys first started out by
saying epic fantasy, which is

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more like your highbrow pad
fantasy.

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And I was like, well let's not
over restrict it because it went

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quite crazy.
So it was like epic fantasy and

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close, close things to that.
So, yeah, so.

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Like Chloe, my is like, we get 3
strikes, we can talk some three

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strikes.
Yeah, tell me if we're back in

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the wrong part.
So I think like, I guess Frodo,

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a popular person.
Yes, but more so we have to say

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Gandalf first.
Gandalf is more popular.

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OK, OK, Yeah, I'll go with that.
I trust you.

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Gandalf is number 2 on the list.
Wow.

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And this is the whole fantasy
everything that's.

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Fantasy genre.
So I know what are the rings is

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big fantasy, what else meets
this fantasy genre?

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I can't.
I didn't say Narnia.

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Narnia, OK.
Honestly.

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From Narnia I could say the lion
person is pretty important.

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That's I don't.
Know the lion person?

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Do you know their name?
It starts with an A.

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It's good.
We'll say, Aslan.

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Yes #4. #4 nice.
I don't know anyone else in the

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Narnia series, so if anyone's
importance.

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I would say back to Lord of the
Rings.

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Yeah, I do.
Legolas, how you feeling?

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About Legolas.
People like Legolas.

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Orlando Bloom was a popular
actor.

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Is that your answer?
Why not?

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#9.
Wow, on the board.

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So we have.
Great.

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Yeah, let's get the let's get
the piece of paper out.

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Do some process elimination.
So you have Gandalf at #2, Aslan

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at #4, and Legless at #9.
Is it weird to say Proto?

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Is he 22 off the beaten path?
That's fine, we'll do proto.

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This is this is popular fantasy
popular.

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Popular.
So it could be bad or good.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Just popular because people know

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Gollum.
Too.

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Oh, that's true.
Even though, yeah, so I don't

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know, Chloe, you are the
daughter of the fantasy king.

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So.
So I.

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I'd say Golem is a good guess.
We'll do them.

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That's a strike.
Golem is a strike.

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So you can't win them all, can't
win them all before we guess

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another order of the rings.
I think more order of rings out

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there.
What's like other fantasy stuff?

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Yeah, that's what I was going to
say.

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Can you give us a hit or no?
Yeah.

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What's like in a universe we
should be thinking about?

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Or give us a hit about the
universe, yeah.

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I'll just say magic.
Magic.

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Oh, Harry Potter.
Number one, Harry Potter.

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Isn't really.
Wow man, who else?

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So in Harry Potter.
That means Snape has got to be

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on.
There.

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Oh, and there's a guy you don't.
No, no, I didn't mean snake.

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I didn't mean snake.
I meant Voldemort.

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Voldemort's.
Baltimore is another strike.

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So these bad guys are not making
the top list.

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It seems like the bad guys are.
Not I will say they're the only.

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Well, that's not true, but I'll
say there is one bad guy on the

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list at #10 I'll give you that
hint.

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And then there's also a bad guy
as a close contender.

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OK, all right, all right.
I'll I'll give you the close

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contender.
Sauron, the evil eye from Lord

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of the Rings is the close
contender.

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So I'm trying to help you out,
OK?

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So that one's similar to one of
the ones on the list.

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I'm just saying there's another
bad guy on the list.

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Who else is bad in either Harry
Potter or the Rings or this or

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Narnia?
That's like the most popular bad

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guy.
Well, I would say Snape has.

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He has to be pretty popular, but
he's not like.

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These are most mentions, most
mentions not like who who people

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love the most.
It's like who people refer to as

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the most or say stuff about or
post stuff about.

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This is our third strike, but I
don't know.

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This is big.
So we have Harry Potter, Narnia

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and Lord of the Rings.
I I is there anyone else from

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Harry Potter that's like popular
guy who would be really popular?

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I mean, there's the main three.
We got Harry Potter.

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Harry Potter.
Harry Potter, Hermione and Ron.

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Well, OK, actually, back to Lord
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Yeah, we didn't do Bilbo.
Yeah, they also didn't do Frodo.

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Yeah, I feel like we didn't do
Frodo.

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Frodo would be good.
Let's go, Frodo. #3.

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Nice.
OK, nice.

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I thought we did OK.
We got some.

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So you got 1234, You're missing
5-6. 7-8. 7-8 and ten man and I

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will say 5 is a Harry Potter
character. 05 So so me knowing

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nothing about Harry Potter.
I'll I'll say this, 5-7 and ten

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are all Harry Potter.
This is so maybe just go with

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the.
I'm going to remind him.

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That is a strike.
But I don't, I don't, I don't

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get it.
But go go with the other one in

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the trio, OK?
Ron.

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Ron, OK, Yeah.
So Ron is #5 probably because of

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the quote, you know, where he's,
that has become very popular,

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very, very, you know.
She's in there too.

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Once I make my move then you'll
be free to that's that has risen

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in popularity of.
Man, I'll tell you what.

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So we'll give you that,
Hermione, Ron, we'll count that

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as the same.
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You got to help us out.
We're not doing too high here.

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Well, you got Gandalf, the main
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who's the main wizard in Harry
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Don't tell me the.
The Gandalf kind of forgot.

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I don't know, Chloe.
Ringing in Dumbledore.

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Dumbledore is at #7.
Can I say something?

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Yeah, Harry Potter.
I'm not.

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I'm not like the name of the.
Hallelujah Chorus of.

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It's even worse.
Doctor Seuss is amazing compared

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to like I got this great fantasy
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Their name is Ron and Harry.
I'm like, come on, we can do and

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then and then Dumbledore for
door, whatever this guy's name

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is.
I don't, I don't get it.

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I got to say for banter, I was
going to go back and find out

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how many times I was in the
podcast.

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I was mentioned in the podcast
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Too much work.
Too much work, too much.

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I've been in here too much.
Yeah.

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All right.
So what are we missing here?

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Just. 6810. 6 All right, 6 is
the Lord of the Rings, I'll give

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you that.
Is I I know more Lord of the

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Rings characters?
OK, tell us what shows 8 and 10

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are from.
Yeah.

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Eight Game of Thrones you will
likely.

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Get this?
What's her name?

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It's that one.
Is it the main girl?

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I don't even know.
This is hard the D.

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No.
Oh.

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I don't know, just.
Cross that one J.

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James.
No, Oh, Jon Snow, Jon Snow.

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Oh.
Nice, I only know that from a

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hairstyling video.
Yeah, where she dressed up like

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Jon Snow and then #10 is Harry
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Yes.
Man.

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So #10 is a bad, is a baddie.
OK, I can't.

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Let's.
So Lord of the Rings, we can

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nail this if it's a good guy,
Lord of the Rings, whatever

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options you did.
We haven't said Bilbo, we

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haven't said Aragorn, we haven't
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More people.
I don't know.

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That's like all the people I
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You is that.
No, I if it's.

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A same wise game G as mentioned.
Those are both.

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Those are both not it.
Wow.

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Yeah.
Is it Gimli Sarman?

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No Saran.
No.

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I would lean.
Heavily on on Zach here.

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He already said it nice.
He's a cool guy.

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All right.
And then you just got him a chin

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yet left.
Number said.

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Bad guy in Harry Potter, bad
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We did.
So we have man.

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We could do Dolores on bridge,
but I feel like she's not as

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popular as Snape.
A lot of people don't like

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Snape.
I'm going Snape.

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What's it start with?
Oh, Madai Mooney.

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No, that's he's a good guy.
I don't.

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Know anyone?
His first His first name means

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dragon.
Oh.

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That doesn't help you.
Everyone else I.

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I forget everything I read.
OK.

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All right.
So which book was he?

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In all of them.
Prevalent character.

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Oh, Draco.
Draco Malfoy.

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Draco.
He's not bad, just kidding.

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I mean, I mean, so we have some
redemption.

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That's the so Lord of the Rings,
Narnia, Game of Thrones, Harry

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Potter, they just sweep.
They sweep everything.

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They sweep the characters.
Now.

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I was looking at some different
lists to ask, like the the books

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that had the most sells and
there were so many in there that

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I didn't even know.
So you weren't going to know

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Game of Thrones?
Is it true?

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That the Bible was sold the
most.

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Well, this was just limited to
fantasy the.

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Top ten cents.
We got a lot.

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We got more stuff to address.
Go away.

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Are you seeing the Bible's
fantasy books?

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OK, just checking.
I.

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Missed that?
Part All right, So Zach and I

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had talked about, you know,
maybe starting to interview

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people from our church or people
that we know.

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We got some other people on here
that we would like to maybe

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interview at some point in time,
maybe Alex.

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Tell you what, I.
Want.

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Oh yeah, Alex, we're calling you
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We've really had a list about
about 25 and the 1st 24 getting

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pan out so here we are.
I'm just kidding.

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I am just kidding.
Close at the top of the.

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List.
I would like for me and clay to

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be on at the same time so I can
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Free energy smarts.
Yeah, you just got to show up to

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one of the D&D sessions he
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Energy drinks that might
persuade me to play.

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Yeah, or, you know, well, our
next.

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Well, so our next D&D session,
we're having like a family

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dinner before it with all the
players families there.

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And then the families could
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they want to, or they're going
to have a separate game night or

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they can leave or if they don't
want to stay.

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But he always brings me one and
I can only drink like this much

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of it.
So you can have maybe the rest

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of it.
Nice.

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That's awesome.
Sweet.

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So it's good.
All right, So we're going to be

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talking to Chloe and picking her
mind, and I think we're ready to

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transition into that next phase.
Let's let's take let's take this

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to the next level.
From the hearts of the Low

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Country in South Carolina.
It's the Take Two podcast where

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we take theology to the next
level.

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All right, so we're back here
and I feel like I know you

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pretty well known you all my
life.

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I have mentioned apparently Mom
said I've mentioned the story

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twice, but I want to do you
remember the stop drop but

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didn't roll or just from us I.
Barely remember.

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I don't.
I remember the setting of the

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story, but not that specific
scenario.

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Do you remember us driving and
crying when we said we're going

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to eat on the road?
I don't remember that one.

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I do remember mom saying if I
were you when I was younger and

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I always thought she said I'd
fire you, like put me on fire

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and that that really scared me.
I remember one time getting on

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to you and saying you better
March yourself upstairs right

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now and you're like, why do I
got a March?

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I think you might remember that.
All right.

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Well, do you?
I thought maybe we would talk.

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I don't.
I think you do.

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Remember Caleb Hawk.
You.

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Remember Caleb Hawk?
You heard?

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Of him, vaguely familiar.
I think you were in Miss Mary

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Lou's class and wasting around
Christmas time and she was

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talking about hair.
And he was like, oh, that's the

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guy who killed all the babies.
And you start crying.

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Do you remember this?
I still.

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Don't remember.
You don't remember any of that.

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And and he was like, that's OK.
He went to hell.

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Then you're like, what is hell?
And so then you came home with

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lots of questions and you were
very distraught that night.

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Do you remember the being there
that night?

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I remember crying on the couch.
Was it on the couch?

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Yeah.
Yeah, it was on the couch, Yeah.

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I maybe it was on the couch and
then we were trying to put you

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to bed and I put Fernando Ortega
grace and peace on like repeat

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to try to just calm you down.
And we finally, do you remember,

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we finally put you out in the
garage for a little.

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Bit Oh yes, wow, this was a very
traumatic time in my life.

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I was crying 'cause I was scared
of hell and I got locked in the

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garage.
That's hey, that's parenting

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101.
Nice job, but.

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We were just like, hey, you
gotta get in control yourself.

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Like this is not how lamots act.
Like if you're, if it, if this

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is how you're gonna act, you
can't be.

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You can't be.
In the house, you gotta be in

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the garage.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I like that.
You know, I don't know if that's

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good or not, but that's what we
did when we were young.

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You know, I think, I think I did
see a playlist with Ray Comfort

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using those tactics as well.
So that took commandments.

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He was like Herod and get in the
garage man.

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Worked out well.
Yeah, so, so those are those are

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probably your first memories of
the ice concept of hell and

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stuff.
Was was Mary?

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Was this like how old were you?
3 or 4 probably.

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A.
Little younger than Phoebe or

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Phoebe's age.
Yeah.

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Yeah.
So I'd say it started off when I

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became a believer.
I just prayed.

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I don't know the exact date, I
know I was really young but I

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prayed every night that God
would forgive me my sins just

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'cause it started off as a fear
of hell but then as I got older

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it changed more to wanting to
honor God with my life and not

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just trying to escape hell.
Yeah, yeah, I think that's

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pretty common where that's how I
felt as a kid.

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I feel like fear of hell is very
scary and what people people

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emphasize so much for, for a
good reason.

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But I think as a kid, yeah, it's
like every night before get to

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bed, like if I were to like die
tonight or something, you know

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what I mean?
Like at night you're like, so I

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remember just over and over,
even until I was probably like

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12 years old for, I mean, I was
like kind of, I was doing this a

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lot, 8-9.
I feel like I was doing that

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kind of thing a lot.
It wasn't even like just every

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night I would have this nice
prayer.

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It was like literally like over
and over again, like, Lord,

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please save me from hell.
Please save me from hell.

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I'm sorry for my sins.
I'm sorry for my sins so.

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Oh, multiple like that's that's
how it would be.

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It was just pure fear.
Sheer fear.

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Well, you know how they say that
there's two ways to respect

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someone?
It's fear and love.

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You can either fear them or love
them.

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It definitely.
I want people to fear how much

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they love me.
Nice quote.

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Yeah, where'd you get that from?
I don't know.

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Do you know that reference side?
That's good, but.

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Yeah, it was just, I think
that's one of the beauty, the

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beauties of God, is that you can
give ultimate respect to Him in

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both ways out of a fear and
love.

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So that wasn't even on the
notes.

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That.
Was for free off.

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Off script.
Alrighty.

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Very nice.
And you, you were born into

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Charles Bible Church,
essentially or no?

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Yeah.
I was, yeah.

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I always Hey, let me read you
all my small testimony so I

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don't get sidetracked.
Yeah, I was like, I was going to

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ask you for the medium
testimony, but I'm glad you said

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small testimony, so let's stick
there.

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We appreciate you keeping it
small.

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Well, I'm going to read it or
else I'll get crazy sidetracked,

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but this is actually an exercise
they had us to elevate once we

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all sat in silence and wrote it.
You just said elevate like

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people know what that is so.
Elevate is my college's campus

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ministry.
It's kind of like church on

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Thursday nights, but it's not a
church.

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They say go get involved in a
local church, but yeah.

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Like a small group ish.
Yeah, it's a gathering with

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like, worship and then like we
preach.

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He preaches through the book,
has a good sense of community

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and service and stuff.
Good good.

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So this is my quick testimony,
not the medium one.

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I was raised in a great
Christian household and pride

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was my biggest problem.
I thought I was above a lot of

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sin.
Fast forward and I was in a bad

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relationship.
Eventually got out of it and

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went immediately into another
relationship with a good guy.

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But I didn't have God as my
foundation and I didn't do so

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well.
And because of my sin, our

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relationship ended and I
realized how rocky I was and how

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much I needed God and I realized
I wasn't as great as I thought

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it was.
And that kind of kick started my

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deeper relationship with God.
So I'd say a lot of people are

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like, what were you like before
you were a Christian?

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Because I got saved so young, I
didn't have a crazy beforehand.

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But it's still a learning
process of learning who God is

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and having a relationship with
him for yourself.

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And and I can definitely, once I
was in church and I was like,

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wait, I didn't have to have a
crazy before.

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I can just see like how I would
be acting now if I wasn't a

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Christian.
Does that make sense?

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Yeah.
Makes sense.

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Makes sense.
Nice you kept it small

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testimony.
Was that 1 1/2 minutes if I had

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a guess?
Did you have time it for

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Elevate?
We had.

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We had 1 1/2 minutes to write
it.

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Oh gosh, yeah.
Sorry I did a little bit

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misleading on the notes.
I gotcha.

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So any other childhood or
parenting memories?

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Or or you could even do
parenting fails you.

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Would have to do parenting
fails.

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Take this to the next step
there's.

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I mean, there are, there are
some out there for sure, yeah.

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Well, I'd say another thing that
helped me in my faith was I

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wanted to be baptized because
I've been saved for a while.

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Do you remember this story?
Yeah, probably.

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And I asked my dad all the time
if I could be baptized.

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I don't think I realized then
that it was because I wanted to

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take communion.
But looking back, I think

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that's.
Honestly, that is a huge

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motivator for wanting to get
baptized.

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It is.
Drinking that juice and eating

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those crackers and more stuff
and seeing other people do, I

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feel like I'm like currently in
this in this space with my

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oldest and I, I do really, I
firmly believe that he has saved

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pretty pretty sure.
But that's when it that's when

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it always comes up right after
community.

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He's like definitely baptized,
you know, he's like looking at

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his friends and stuff.
So I'm like, you know, so yeah.

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So let's talk talk about that.
I think that's a great subject

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to talk about.
Like how old were you when you

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got baptized?
What was the process?

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Was it like years later or what?
What?

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What did that you know?
How did that pan out?

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It was probably about a year of
asking.

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I don't know if it was that
long, maybe six months, a year.

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It seemed like it was on and
off, maybe a year and a half to

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me.
That sounds about right.

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And I was like, I'm a Christian.
People who are taking this are

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Christians.
Like why can't I do it?

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This is kind of when I
transitioned my thinking of more

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not being scared of hell because
my dad, dad would always ask, MM

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would always ask why do you want
to be baptized?

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And I'd be like, 'cause I'm a
Christian.

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And then after a while I just
paused and I said because I

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deserve to go to hell.
And he was like, that's right.

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I feel like you can get baptized
now.

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Yeah, I think we talked a little
more than that too 'cause that

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was what I was really wanting to
hear from you and from and that

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I have had the same question for
your sisters when they had asked

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to be baptized too.
It's something like I'm

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commanded to.
I need to follow Christ.

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It's a picture of my salvation.
Something along those lines to

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kind of make sure that, you
know, the motivation is right

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because I experienced the same
thing.

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You know, I was saved.
Join the church and could vote

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on the color of the carpet by
the time I was like 4 1/2 or

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five.
Got a question.

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Yeah.
But was that actually hold up

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because I hear you that example,
it's a lot.

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What's that?
The carpet colored thing.

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Oh.
Is that just like?

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I mean, we voted on everything.
So it's that's just your that's

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just your token.
Yeah.

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But yeah, but yeah, we voted on
everything.

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And if you're a member of the
church, you could vote even if

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you're four or five.
So.

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Yeah.
So I, you know, I experienced

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that same, you know, desire to
be a part of the communion table

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and rushing through things.
But yeah.

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Yeah.
So, yeah, and remind me, how old

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were you around this time?
Ballpark.

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Not that you have to like, nail
it down perfectly.

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But feel like it was between
like 8 and 11.

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It could be anywhere in there.
I think it was in that range to

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8:00 and 11:00-ish, you know?
We have pictures.

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Yeah, I mean, I could, I could
go to Google Photos and search

456
00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:23,560
baptism and try probably find
it.

457
00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:26,680
Could be wrong, I think I got
baptized on like April 20th or

458
00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:27,880
something.
Wow.

459
00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:30,760
April 20th.
Years ago, yeah.

460
00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:35,240
Were you baptized at Folly Beach
or in Pastor's Pool?

461
00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:37,280
Or that was one of the few beach
people.

462
00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:38,840
Here.
Wow, back in the day.

463
00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:41,080
Yeah.
That was that was me because I

464
00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:44,200
would always tell Joel like, I
think it's supposed to be

465
00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:45,760
public.
We should be out of the public.

466
00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:49,520
Yeah.
And so, yeah.

467
00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:54,440
And it is more difficult.
Look, it started to suggest

468
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:56,160
baptism before I even started
typing it.

469
00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:02,240
It is more difficult to do it at
the beach because, you know, you

470
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:04,520
have everything that's at the
beach there while you're getting

471
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:06,000
baptized.
So yeah.

472
00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:09,920
We should do one of those like
how we've done like the little

473
00:23:10,120 --> 00:23:13,640
temporary kind of pool thing
like at at church.

474
00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:17,840
We should like take one of those
like somewhere public, just plop

475
00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:19,760
it down and you know, then
you're there and you're not the

476
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:20,840
beach, so you know something
else.

477
00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:26,160
So it's good.
Chloe, tell me, what does, what

478
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:28,400
does the NLT mean to you?
I'm just trying to pick up your

479
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:29,240
notes here a little.
Bit.

480
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:33,960
Well, I was gonna say one thing,
this is really bad, but I didn't

481
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:37,520
really read my Bible when I was
younger and I had an NASB Bible

482
00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,440
and that was hard for me to read
and I don't read a lot in

483
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:44,680
general.
So I'd say if a translation is

484
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,080
holding you back from reading
the Bible, read something

485
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,560
simpler so that you read the
Bible.

486
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:54,320
Because I'm an NLT person 'cause
it makes a lot of sense.

487
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:57,720
So you're.
Saying it's better to read a

488
00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:00,840
Bible you understand than don't
read a Bible you kinda

489
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:02,800
understand.
That's exactly what I'm saying.

490
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,160
Yeah, that's good.
Do you agree with that?

491
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,880
That I I agree.
I mean, there's, there's times,

492
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:11,280
you know, I'm reading an ESPN
like man, I don't know what this

493
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:13,360
like specific phrase.
I gotta like look up a specific

494
00:24:13,360 --> 00:24:15,400
thing and the NLT just does
smooth it out a lot.

495
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:19,040
But it's like something like a
little bit peculiar or weird.

496
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:20,920
I am.
I am a huge fan.

497
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:24,680
NLTI like NLTA?
Lot I'll read ESP too to try to

498
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:26,000
get.
Oh.

499
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:27,840
Yeah, that's.
Your translation.

500
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:29,800
I am home.
You're an NASB guy, Yeah.

501
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:34,000
I'm the NASB guy, Yeah.
I mean, let me just be clear, if

502
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,960
I had it all over to do it
again, I'd probably be a CSB

503
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,040
guy.
I was CSB for about a year.

504
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:42,520
I would carrying it everywhere.
I just had so much memorized in

505
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:47,600
the NASB that I was like, so I
mean, I have an ESB at home, I

506
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:54,000
have an ESBI, have an NLTI, have
a Creole, Haitian Creole Bible.

507
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:55,920
Nice.
Yeah, I can't read it.

508
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,400
I thought after we went back
from Haiti, I thought I was

509
00:24:58,400 --> 00:24:59,560
going to, I was going to buckle
down.

510
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:03,800
On that, yeah, yeah.
Can I say two more things about

511
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:05,280
parenting?
No, I guess.

512
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:09,080
Well, I think you said that your
mom told you this.

513
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:13,960
I remember once I was, I think
it was my freshman year high

514
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,880
school and I was running for
class office.

515
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,640
Remember this?
I think I know exactly what

516
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:20,800
you're saying, but yeah, I'll
let you tell it.

517
00:25:21,120 --> 00:25:25,880
It's me versus another girl.
And I really expected I was

518
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,400
going to win.
And I heard there were, could be

519
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,880
wrong.
There's some, the voting system

520
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,880
wasn't done super well either.
And she won.

521
00:25:34,360 --> 00:25:39,400
And I was so upset because I
I'll just say I was really upset

522
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,840
and I was crying about it.
And I said that I deserve to

523
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:44,840
win.
I think you said your mom told

524
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:47,000
you this but.
Oh, for sure, yeah.

525
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:51,200
This is probably the hardest
like lesson I learned, but

526
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,520
something I think about a lot.
And he said the only thing you

527
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:58,000
deserve is to go to hell.
And I was like, oh, that's true.

528
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:00,680
I didn't want to.
That's a good perspective.

529
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,240
But I think about that a lot,
and now every time someone says

530
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,720
they deserve something, I'm
thinking, no, you don't.

531
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:08,880
No, you don't.
Yeah, yeah.

532
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,960
That's I was very similar
situation and I told this a

533
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:15,520
couple times in the podcast, but
yeah, I just wanted to be a band

534
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:20,480
officer and did not make it and
was bummed and and very similar

535
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,400
situation And I was like, but I
deserved it.

536
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,960
And she was like, Michael, the
only thing you deserve is to die

537
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,760
and go to hell and everything we
get above that is God's grace.

538
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:30,920
And I was like, oh, can't argue
with that.

539
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,760
So, man, that that's good.
It's good to have those moments

540
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:37,320
when you're humbled because,
man, if you just like coasted

541
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:39,720
through life with everything,
you just, it would be so hard to

542
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:41,720
see that side of things.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

543
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,560
So another thing too is I
realized that a lot of my

544
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,880
beliefs and stuff are based on
what y'all have taught us.

545
00:26:49,360 --> 00:26:52,320
And then like like I realized
this very recently.

546
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,440
Like you look around you and
everyone's just doing things

547
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,040
according to what their parents
taught them.

548
00:26:58,120 --> 00:27:03,080
So I had like a lot of grace for
people and it made me realize

549
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,800
like everyone's going.
It's easier not to judge people

550
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:09,480
and their own walk because
you're like most people just

551
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:13,280
believe what they've been taught
as a child and God is slowly

552
00:27:14,120 --> 00:27:17,960
working in everyone because a
lot of stuff y'all taught us was

553
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,600
wrong.
Yeah, let's go through that one

554
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,920
by one.
I'd say you've grown a lot as

555
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,240
parents too.
Yeah, I hope so.

556
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:30,240
It's hard being the oldest child
because you see stuff that you

557
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:31,720
couldn't get your parents to
understand.

558
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:33,520
Did you have?
The yeah, it's a burden, Chloe,

559
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:35,800
let's talk about it's, it's not
easy.

560
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,360
And then the baby of the family
gets everything they ever wanted

561
00:27:38,360 --> 00:27:40,360
because they, yeah, you know,
they don't know the struggle.

562
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:42,320
So true.
Calling you out, James.

563
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,120
Yeah.
So you have some involvements

564
00:27:48,120 --> 00:27:51,840
now.
I know you've done some like

565
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:57,720
kids club crafts and you told me
on the way over here you really

566
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:01,000
had a burden to lead up the the
Downtown St.

567
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,000
Preaching and Evangelism team.
That is, that's not what I.

568
00:28:07,120 --> 00:28:09,280
Said, but yeah, what?
Where do you, where do you,

569
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,720
where do you see?
You know, I have the word down

570
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,200
here, spiritual gift, and I
think it's true.

571
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,680
But I was thinking about after
we had our little chat on the

572
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:20,320
way over here, it may be too
much to be asking teenagers what

573
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,520
their spiritual gift is because
it's too, it may be till you're

574
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:27,280
like 25 or 30 where you really
know, Dude, this is what I'm

575
00:28:27,360 --> 00:28:29,240
what I'm good at. 30 might be
too too young too.

576
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:34,320
I don't know, I'm trying.
To figure that I would say I was

577
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,600
actually texting you about this
the other day, kind of

578
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,160
panicking, like I don't know
what my spiritual gift is.

579
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,560
Yeah.
Because I feel like there's too

580
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:46,200
much pressure, like you
shouldn't fit, you should serve

581
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,440
anytime you see a need and you
shouldn't just think, oh, that's

582
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,880
not my spiritual gift.
I shouldn't be serving.

583
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,560
But also you need to realize
there's things that you're

584
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,520
naturally better at.
I'm probably, they say there's

585
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:00,200
like service gifts and teaching
gifts.

586
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,800
I'm probably more of definitely
a service person.

587
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:07,440
As much as I want to be a
teaching person, I'm definitely

588
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:13,560
a service I think I'm good at.
The three I have here are

589
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,480
exhortation slash encouragement.
People tell me I'm really good

590
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:18,960
at encouraging people.
I just want to encourage you to

591
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:22,920
keep doing.
That thank you discernment.

592
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,720
Can you give AI always say
discernment and then I'm not

593
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:30,160
exactly like.
It has to really discern some of

594
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:31,760
these words, so.
That's a tough one.

595
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:33,560
Like if you have it, you know
what it is.

596
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:39,920
Isn't it when you were like able
to see a need or problem and be

597
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:41,800
like, hey, you're doing this
wrong?

598
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:43,640
That service that would be
servicing helps.

599
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:48,320
So I think discernment is like.
Discernment is more along the

600
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:53,280
line of like knowing truth from
fiction and being able to like

601
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:57,480
understand what the truth is.
When you say I'm good at that, I

602
00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:58,320
feel like I'm pretty.
Good at that.

603
00:29:58,320 --> 00:29:59,560
Yeah, I'm not.
I'm not saying you're not good

604
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:00,480
at that.
I'm just telling you what

605
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,200
discernment is.
I'm, I'm saying you're, you're

606
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:04,480
good at that.
That's good.

607
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:06,880
Something you said that I think
is interesting.

608
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,120
It's something I struggle with
with spiritual gifts.

609
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:12,240
You said, you know, some people
are naturally better than others

610
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:17,280
and like spiritual gifting to me
imply supernatural.

611
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,560
And so it is confusing 'cause
there are some people, I think,

612
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:26,040
who are naturally gifted in
speaking and outgoingness, but

613
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,640
not necessarily spiritually
gifted.

614
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,280
And I know people that are very
quiet that when they say

615
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,560
something like, wow, that was
really, or I don't know, you

616
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:35,400
know what I mean.
So I know a lot of it does

617
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,760
probably line up with tendencies
too, but I think there's another

618
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:43,320
side of it too that that doesn't
necessarily, I don't know, I

619
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,040
don't know, something that's
like, you know, not necessarily

620
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:47,720
a natural thing.
Right.

621
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:52,560
I think it goes back to not
worrying about it as much like

622
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:58,160
what the name of it is like just
don't be too much.

623
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:02,040
But if you have if you see a
need like say something in a

624
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:03,960
nice way if.
You see something, say

625
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:08,840
something.
Also, people have told me like,

626
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:10,920
I'm a good leader.
Was it?

627
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:14,400
Who was talking recently about
how if you're a leader?

628
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:18,080
People follow you.
No, not that's that's a given.

629
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:22,960
But like if you're trying to
lead people, you might not be

630
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:26,800
the best leader, but if you're
quiet, people usually tell you

631
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:28,600
you're a good leader.
If you're actually a good

632
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:30,040
leader, people will tell you
you're a good leader.

633
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:31,120
Were you the one that told me
that?

634
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:36,040
But I heard that and that's kind
of happened to me before.

635
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,560
I don't like being louder,
controlling if it outside of my

636
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:44,480
family, my family's there.
But when I say something, I feel

637
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:49,160
like people listen and people
tell me to step up and say stuff

638
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,600
more.
So that's just I don't know.

639
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:55,080
I'm still trying to figure out
my what I'm best gifted.

640
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:56,800
To place in life.
Honestly, you're I think you're

641
00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:01,440
spiritually gifted at slides.
They seem they seem to be on the

642
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:03,360
money.
You know, they seem like we

643
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:04,840
never have a problem when you do
slides.

644
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,120
So that's good.
Thank you.

645
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:09,280
Do you make the slides or does
your dad make the slides?

646
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:11,920
And I kind of is that is it a
team tag game or does the slide

647
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,200
person make I guess the worship
leader makes it out of?

648
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:18,000
You might have to, but usually
they're pre and put in there.

649
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,560
Oh, gotcha.
If I have time, especially my

650
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,680
role last year when I was kind
of official, I tried to always

651
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,760
make the slides if I had time,
and I still try to this time.

652
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,320
But it really, I mean, the
ultimate responsibility is on

653
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:35,000
the person who is in that role.
But if I can go ahead and get it

654
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,080
set up for them and then that
makes it easier because what

655
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,560
they really should be doing is
in that rehearsal that almost

656
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:42,680
runs into Sunday school every,
every Sunday.

657
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:44,800
They should be like going
through the slides and making.

658
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:46,320
Sure.
Everything like that last check.

659
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:48,360
Yeah.
So because you are involved in a

660
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,200
lot of different things, is
there anything you got involved

661
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,400
in Chlo and you're like, man,
this was instantly bad.

662
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:56,320
Or I mean, probably not bad, but
is there anything you're like I

663
00:32:56,320 --> 00:33:01,280
tried this, not my thing.
This is kind of probably

664
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:05,320
unexpected, but on TikTok a lot
of times there'd be lives of

665
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:10,560
people debating people, whether
it be political stuff or like

666
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,840
Christianity.
And I'm like, put your I would

667
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:17,520
like comment stuff.
And I get into a lot of fights

668
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:21,160
and comment sections.
I want to be good at theology

669
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,800
and knowledge, but I've realized
I'm not good at that.

670
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:29,280
I'm not.
And I'm like, oh, and I get, I'd

671
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:32,840
say, yeah, that's when I'm like,
I need to be serving people

672
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:34,600
more.
Like yesterday, Lydia came to my

673
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:39,640
class at CSU, and it's a studio
art class.

674
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:41,600
So we were just in there, like
hanging out with my friends

675
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:43,920
talking.
And I've had the same friends

676
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:47,440
for years.
And Lydia was in there for one

677
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:49,360
class.
And they start talking like

678
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:51,600
theology.
And she starts like getting all

679
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,840
of his beliefs out of him.
And it's like helping them see

680
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:59,960
like things differently and just
totally getting stuff out of him

681
00:33:59,960 --> 00:34:02,120
that I was like, I didn't know
all of this.

682
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:03,960
I wouldn't even know how to
approach this.

683
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,280
She's like, oh, so you're like
in the middle ground.

684
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:07,640
I'm like, I don't even know what
that means.

685
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,239
And that's funny.
So it was good 'cause I feel

686
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:15,960
like I am more encouraging and
stuff and I feel like I bring

687
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:21,239
more positive, positive vibes,
like positive encouragement and

688
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:24,880
stuff to people and make them
feel special and they see

689
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,360
through my actions.
I love Jesus, and Lydia is like,

690
00:34:28,199 --> 00:34:29,560
So what you're believing is
wrong, basically.

691
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:33,400
Lindy and I talked about that
yesterday.

692
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,520
Yeah.
So does that answer your

693
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:37,840
question, Dad?
Nailed it, Nailed it.

694
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:39,760
Is that class?
No, I think that's because I

695
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:46,159
think it's sometimes hard to get
people to try different things.

696
00:34:46,159 --> 00:34:47,880
And it's not necessarily that
everything's going to be your

697
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,920
best.
And you tried comments on TikTok

698
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,920
and you know, I feel like that
even if you do know theology

699
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,800
knowledge, that's like its own
specialty thing that's

700
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:58,440
different.
That's like a war.

701
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,280
Zone.
Like, yeah, you almost can't

702
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,280
win.
Even if you win, I don't know.

703
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:06,520
Yeah, because like most people
on TikTok are fighting dirty.

704
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,920
And it's like, do I do I stoop
down to fight dirty?

705
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:13,120
And if I don't fight dirty, then
it looks like I've not won.

706
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,560
I say TikTok, I'm not on TikTok.
But you could extrapolate this

707
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:18,960
to, I mean, he'll talk with us
more.

708
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:23,320
Like I've been on TikTok maybe
five times in my life, six times

709
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,160
in my life, but more like
Instagram, Facebook, you know,

710
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,360
YouTube, those type of social
media platforms.

711
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:33,920
People tend to dehumanize the
person that they're talking

712
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:35,600
with.
And that's a tough area.

713
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,280
Yeah, it is tough, 'cause they
just want to make the other

714
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:39,680
person, like, stupid.
You want to like get that

715
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,560
awesome comment in 'cause it's
hilarious.

716
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:44,440
And then you see people that
like, they try to do that and

717
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:45,880
it's like, really?
I was actually, I don't know it

718
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:46,600
yet.
It's too much.

719
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:48,480
Yeah.
Even with really respectful

720
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:52,040
people, I've just realized,
whoa, there's way more to this

721
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:54,480
than I realized.
Like people are a lot smarter

722
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:58,640
and have thought way more in
depthly about stuff that I have.

723
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:02,320
I just have a bad memory too.
Like even the names of things I

724
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,520
can't remember.
But yeah.

725
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:09,720
Anything else that you were
wanting to ask Zach?

726
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:13,400
Man, I you know, I think I just
want to hear about your current

727
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:18,840
focus.
Well, you want to say what the

728
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,400
current focus is?
Probably have a good guess.

729
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,040
Me.
Well, I.

730
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:29,960
Think.
Well, I, well, I would say that

731
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:37,040
your current focus is just on
being exactly what God wants you

732
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:44,840
to be and then trying, you know,
we're all in progress and then,

733
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,160
you know, see where he wants to
take you.

734
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,120
Yeah, something like that.
It's good you kept a good

735
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:53,360
distance from the topic.
Yeah.

736
00:36:56,560 --> 00:37:00,320
I this is something lady and I
were talking about this

737
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,920
yesterday.
Number one problem, things

738
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:07,440
people need to stop telling
people is that you will find the

739
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,720
one for you one day.
Well, I think that's a big

740
00:37:10,720 --> 00:37:13,880
issue, sorry.
I say that a lot to people.

741
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:15,240
No, I'm just, no, I'm just
kidding.

742
00:37:15,240 --> 00:37:16,840
Right, you'll find the one for
you.

743
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:18,760
One day you'll find the one for
you.

744
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:20,480
I'm.
Sure, I've said that before, but

745
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:25,240
I've just been learning a lot
lately that like relationships

746
00:37:25,240 --> 00:37:28,200
aren't a given.
Like that's a gift from God and

747
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:32,440
you shouldn't assume that you're
going to be in a relationship or

748
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:37,360
find the one because that's
saying that you know, like

749
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:38,880
better than God.
I've been learning a lot about

750
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:42,120
this lately and it's all kind of
been like different thoughts

751
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,520
throughout the week.
Like the other day I realized

752
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:48,160
God doesn't love me any less.
Right.

753
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:50,760
That's good.
Yep, if I don't get a

754
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:54,120
relationship, yeah, so.
There's this guy I listen to

755
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:58,520
every now and then, Greg Coco,
do you know if you're having

756
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:00,920
him?
I found out the other day that

757
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,440
he's like 70 something.
Oh yeah, I thought he was like

758
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:04,720
your age.
Oh no.

759
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:09,120
You're not 70, Michael.
No, he was, that's what I was

760
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:10,800
telling you.
He was single and didn't get

761
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:14,520
married to like he was 48 and
then his wife had some fertility

762
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:16,240
issues.
They ended up adopting.

763
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:23,840
And so his he, his kids are your
age and Lydia's age and he's

764
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:27,600
like Juju and Patani's age.
So he's.

765
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:30,280
Yeah.
So he's oh, but he was, he was

766
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:33,840
saying during that time that he
was saved and single, that he

767
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:35,760
was always invited to talk to
single groups.

768
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:37,200
He's like, I don't know why
you're talking to me because

769
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,120
clearly I haven't figured out
how to not be single.

770
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:44,800
But he what he would tell them
was what if God were here right

771
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,160
now and we're told you, you are
going to be single for the rest

772
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:48,600
of your life?
What would you do with your

773
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:50,440
life?
Think about that.

774
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:54,320
OK, then go, just go do that.
And then, you know, if got to

775
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:56,120
bring someone into your life,
then great.

776
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:59,520
And if not, then God's given you
the gift of singleness, whether

777
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:01,880
you you want the gift of
singleness or not.

778
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:06,040
I heard you say that growing up
and it kind of made me mad, but

779
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:10,160
then I kind of came to the same
realization myself in a

780
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:12,560
roundabout way.
Well, Jessica Petters has been

781
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:15,760
telling the woman at her church
for years, the Young Single

782
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:19,160
Ladies, to read Passion and
Purity by Elizabeth Elliott.

783
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:22,560
And I started reading it and lot
of good stuff.

784
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:28,400
She always has people write to
her asking questions and someone

785
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,920
was saying like, I wish I would
just know, like I wish God would

786
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:35,320
just tell me.
And she said if God told you, I

787
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:39,000
start crying randomly if it's
actually not very random at all.

788
00:39:39,720 --> 00:39:42,800
But she said if God told you
that you're going to be single

789
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,280
forever, like would you be able
to handle that information?

790
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:47,680
I was like, I don't think I
would be able to.

791
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:51,560
I was like, well, also I should
just tell myself I'm going to be

792
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:53,480
single forever.
And then it totally changes

793
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:57,440
things so.
Yeah, Jill's.

794
00:39:57,800 --> 00:39:59,960
You know, Jill's best friend is
currently single.

795
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:02,480
I mean, will she be single
forever?

796
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,120
I don't know.
But she's still single.

797
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:06,520
Lindsay.
Oh yeah.

798
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:07,240
Yeah.
So.

799
00:40:07,720 --> 00:40:10,520
So I think it was, it was kind
of tough for her as well.

800
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:14,800
So yeah.
Also in the book today actually,

801
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:20,280
someone said like they were mad
at guide and they're like please

802
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:29,280
take my longing away or give me
what I longed for and and the

803
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,880
quote was I must teach you to
long for something better.

804
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:35,440
So I'm so emotional.
Yeah.

805
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,640
That's, you know, we pull out
the emotions from people on this

806
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:40,040
podcast.
There's this.

807
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:44,360
There's an 80s song or 90s early
90s song about getting so

808
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,040
emotional.
You know, you know this song.

809
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:48,160
If you sing it, I I'm like I, I,
I'm.

810
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:50,640
Trying to It's a woman singing.
I have to clear my throat.

811
00:40:50,720 --> 00:40:54,760
Yeah, clear that throat.
I guess so emotional, baby.

812
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:56,800
Nice.
Can you sing it again?

813
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,040
I love that.
We need to cut that clip out.

814
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,400
It's pretty.
It's pretty good.

815
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:03,720
Yeah.
And I think it's like, I mean,

816
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:07,240
you know, people can make hyper
focus on that kind of stuff and

817
00:41:07,240 --> 00:41:08,800
miss out on so much of other
stuff.

818
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:12,680
And it's like at the same time,
like I think marriage is great,

819
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,360
but it's not like marriage is a
picnic or you know what I'm

820
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:16,120
saying?
Like, do you know what I'm

821
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:18,000
saying?
Like I think every different

822
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:23,080
ones.
So it's like, you know, all of

823
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:25,200
those things, you know, I think
are, are good things to

824
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:28,080
consider.
All right, well, I think this is

825
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:31,360
our first just straight up
interview and we'll we'll do

826
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:34,040
this.
We'll try to like dot this again

827
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:37,240
and get some other folks in here
maybe, but we should get one of

828
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,160
your family members next time
they're in.

829
00:41:39,720 --> 00:41:44,240
Dave, Yeah, we could.
Talk to your mom about blowing

830
00:41:44,240 --> 00:41:49,600
up the kitchen.
I saw her in church Sunday and I

831
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:52,120
was just looking like their
house got on fire.

832
00:41:52,720 --> 00:41:54,240
Yeah, I thought, yeah.
Were you thinking she was on

833
00:41:54,240 --> 00:41:56,160
purpose?
I'm just scared.

834
00:41:56,240 --> 00:41:58,240
She didn't know.
When I saw her, she was like, I

835
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,440
got to tell Zach, stopped
throwing me under the bus.

836
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:03,920
Oh my.
Goodness, it's all good, All

837
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:06,720
good, Yeah.
Can I read my favorite Bible

838
00:42:06,720 --> 00:42:08,280
verse first?
Yeah, favorite.

839
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:12,280
Actually, we're out of time.
My favorite Bible verse is

840
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:17,280
Ecclesiastes 12 verses
Ecclesiastes 12/13 through 14

841
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:20,120
and it says the end of the
matter.

842
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:22,720
All has been heard.
Fear God and keep His

843
00:42:22,720 --> 00:42:25,680
commandments, for this is the
whole duty of man, for God will

844
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:28,600
bring every deed into judgement
with every secret thing, whether

845
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:30,640
good or evil.
It's good.

846
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:35,040
So Ecclesiastes is is looked.
Over a lot, I agreed.

847
00:42:35,720 --> 00:42:37,480
Lots of wisdom.
Wisdom literature, yeah.

848
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:41,120
Shout out.
Nice, but yeah.

849
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:45,920
You gonna you gonna close this
out?

850
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,520
Yes, I will.
Alright, that's our tape.

851
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:51,440
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Two.

852
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:54,760
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853
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:56,480
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