Cults | Four Christian-Adjacent Movements: Where the Doctrinal Fault Lines Are

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4th episode on the Colts.
Colts.

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And you said I think it was last
episode that aired something

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like, you know, at the start of
a new series you're all pumped

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and kind of as the series goes
on, you know, your energy gets.

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I would say we're kind of in
that midway point of our series.

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I had originally planned to do 1
episode for each one of these

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and I thought they're smaller,
lesser known and maybe there are

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similar enough the concerns of
me that we can combine 3 of.

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Them.
OK, Yeah, I like that.

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Yeah.
You know, you can not not kill

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two birds, one stone.
Right, right.

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There you go.
That's good.

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We have gotten some feedback.
I do you know who is?

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Was it crumble?
Is it crumbled?

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I don't know, I, I maybe I know
this person, but if I know him,

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I don't know that I know him.
Yeah.

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But yeah, he's like seems like a
new pretty avid listener.

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So thank you.
Appreciate that comments.

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I I was just checking.
I don't I'm not like a YouTube

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person yeah and I check it and
I'm like, oh, this is great.

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I need to look at it.
So I was I need to go through

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these comments, but.
Yeah, so there were a lot of

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comments on both our Mormon.
Yeah, there were.

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Yeah, Yeah.
And the Jehovah's Witness, and

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there's a point where I think
the clarity like we're arguing

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doctrine, which one's right.
But I think through the that

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discussion, you see clarity.
We do not agree.

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Yeah, clear.
Clearly, If nothing else, you

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take away there's some
disagreement, you know, And I

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thought they were all like,
civil, like, it wasn't like too

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terrible, you know?
But it was like you could see

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that point.
Yeah, and that's really what

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we're trying to demonstrate
here.

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While, while we obviously
believe that we're right 'cause

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if we didn't believe we were
right, we would believe

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something else was right and
we'd be something else.

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So clearly it's, you know, I
think I, I say that because in

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some circles people go, oh,
that's so egotistical to think

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you're right.
Like, well, everyone really does

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think they're right.
So at some level, yeah, yeah.

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You wouldn't do the things you
do or say that.

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Yeah.
Yeah, exactly.

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Right now the, the, the last one
Christian Science, you know,

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maybe you know, we, we ran the
numbers on that one and it was

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like, what was it, 100?
Thousand it was it was smaller

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than I thought I knew it
wouldn't be huge, but I was like

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this is actually, you know, not
not a big movement so.

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Our only comment on there was
she is beautiful and I have no

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idea what that means.
I was like, how do I respond to

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this?
I don't.

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I don't know.
Yeah.

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Barry Baker, Edie, Is that I?
I.

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Maybe.
Is that who it is?

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I.
Don't know, I'm just kidding.

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So today we're going to be
talking about Word of Faith,

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Oneness Pentecostalism.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.
And 7th Day Adventist and, and

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instead of kind of dealing with
them as we have the others that

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are kind of better well known
and maybe more documented, we're

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going to kind of just deal with
these in theological segments

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because really how you answer.
And I was listening to another

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podcast today and I was like,
oh, they're outline kind of

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matches ours because they said
how you answer the question

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about who Christ is, how you
answer the question about how to

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be saved and how you answer the
question about what your

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ultimate authority is.
Man, those three things will

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determine whether you are within
the fold of true Christianity or

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outside the fold.
And if you really think about in

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order to answer who Christ is,
you have to kind of get God

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proper and Christology right.
I love that.

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And and ours, we do break up God
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you could kind of see him as
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It's, it's so true.
It's like, you know, you just

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got to get the basics right.
It's good to know those

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fundamentals.
You know, sometimes

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fundamentalism has this kind of
different thing, but if you get

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like the basic tenets, it's good
to know the Trinity.

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Well, Christology, well, like if
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gonna.
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What must I do to get to heaven?
What must I do to be safe?

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Yeah, these are important things
where, you know, sometimes the

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more fun, tangential, tangential
conversations happen to out

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here.
It's like, no, no, no.

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Yeah, we can see see a lot in
these basic doctrines.

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All right, Well, I think we've
laid the groundwork.

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I think we're ready to take it
to the next level.

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Let's fire up that twangy music.
From the hearts of the Low

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Country in South Carolina.
It's the Take Two podcast where

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we take theology to the next
level.

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If you are a member of the Word
of Faith movement, Yeah.

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Or a member of the New Apostolic
Reformation?

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Or a member of the Oneness
Pentecostalism?

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Or 7th Day Adventism?
Did we say all four of those?

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We did not.
We said three.

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I think we skipped the the New
Apostolic Reformation.

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OK, yeah.
So it's those four of them that

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we're going to be dealing with.
And so I, I misnamed our little

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tab.
You know, it's it is late for

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us.
Hey, it's been a long, long week

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already.
A long day, that's right.

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So bear with us.
But so we're going to be dealing

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with those four.
And if you are a member of one

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of those, you may have gotten
served up this video in YouTube

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and you're like, who are these
guys?

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What are they doing?
And so we're doing a short

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series on faiths that would call
themselves Christian.

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You recognize that you would say
you're a Christian, but we're

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saying we're claiming that the
differences are big enough in

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some of these areas that that
label may not be aptly applied.

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Yeah.
It's like if you, you know,

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you've seen like the memes, like
help me find the difference in

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this picture.
We're finding the differences.

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We're maybe surface level, like
all these things look similar.

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It's like we're drilling down.
They're not, they're not

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similar.
Maybe in some ways they're

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similar, but they're very
different when you explore more

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foundational ideas.
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And that, that's really good.
And I, I heard this thing, not

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to get off the tracks, but I
heard this thing about Mormons,

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you know, Mormonism, they used
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Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
And then that was like, no,

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that's outlawed.
But there is like this sect of

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Mormonism that they still think
that a polygamy is right.

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You know.
And the the Mormons who don't

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believe it, they say they're not
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You are not a Mormon it because
we've been told that that's not

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right.
And so that that to me, while in

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some ways on practical matter,
that's a big deal, theologically

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it's not that big of a deal.
It's not as big as the nature of

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who God is then how how you're
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And so you, I just found it
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willing to say you're not a true
Mormon because you're saying you

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can have more than one wife,
We're saying you're not a real

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Christian.
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believe about who God is, who
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heaven is like, what
sanctification is like, all

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those things, those, those.
Are different.

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Yeah.
Oh, that, that that's great.

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So where are we starting today?
So we're going to start with

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that first main category, the
Trinity, who is God.

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And just as a reminder, we're
not using the word cult as a

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slang or as a slang.
I know we've said that.

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So our regular listeners are
tired of hearing that, but we're

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going to have potentially some
new folks who they're particular

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faith system is on the spotlight
here and they haven't heard us

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say that.
So we're using cult in the

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academic manner, which just
means a Christian adjacent faith

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that would maybe put the label
Christian on their faith.

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But there are big enough
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that it may not make sense to
call you Christian, at least not

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a creedal Christian, Orthodox
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OK, so if we're gonna begin by
looking at the Trinity, you

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know, I've heard, I've heard
this, I've heard this said.

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I don't know if this is true or
not, but I've heard this said a

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lot.
You know, if you're looking for

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counterfeits like you got to
know what the real deal is

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first, and then you can spot
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easier.
So do do we know what the

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Trinity is?
Well, let's, let's, let's talk

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like creedal, doctrinal, like
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Christianity, 'cause this is
important as we go into these

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other cults, one God.
One God, one being, some people

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would say.
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One what good and three coequal
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So the Father is God, Jesus is
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But at the same time.
They're all at the same time,

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the same.
They share the same exact

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nature.
The Father is not the Son.

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The Son is not the Spirit.
The Spirit is not the Father.

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Whatever that diagram is called,
that's the only thing I think of

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where it's like is God and is
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That's like a good way.
If you're going to try to

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diagram it out, that's about the
only way to do it.

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And you know, as of recording,
we're very close to Saint

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Patrick.
'S day which?

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Makes me think of that Lutheran
satire video where you try to

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start doing analogies and you
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commonly it's not modes.
It's not like we're shape

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shifting here and, you know,
depending on there's no parts.

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Yeah, not partialism, Patrick.
There's not even you know,

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Arianism or these sub deities
where Jesus, you know the second

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person is God but to a lesser
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something like.
That or the best of the

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creation.
There you go.

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Yeah, Yeah, that's, that's good.
So I guess that leads us into

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where we're going to start
Oneness.

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Pentecostalism.
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So one Miss Pentecostalism is
they deny the eternal personal

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distinctions.
They would say there is one

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being, so they get that right.
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known in different ways.
And so one way that we would

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call this a heresy, I would say
I am Michael, I am a son, I'm a

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father, I am a brother, I am a
coach.

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I'm an.
Engineer, I'm a so I have all

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these different hats that I'm
wearing, but at the core it's

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still me.
And so that's really what the

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the even the in the name Oneness
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Cost was maybe Coach Michael
gets a little more fired up at

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certain things, maybe Father
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but you're the same.
Just ask my daughters.

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I was told one of my daughter's,
I won't say to who said that.

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She's like, you know, on those
commercials for different

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prescription judges, like if you
have moderate, severe, blah,

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blah, blah.
She's like, your temper is

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moderate, severe.
And I was like, I think that's a

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little a little tough, but yeah,
yeah, to get back on track.

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Yeah, different faces of of who
I am.

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That's right.
And classic, you know, queue up

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the, you know, Patrick.
Oh.

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Patrick modalism, when in doubt,
just yell modalism or

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partialism.
And you probably nailed a lot of

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these things.
So modalism which was rejected

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in the 3rd century.
And so like we're showing with

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all these other cults, cults, it
kind of gets to a very core

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distinction.
Greg Kohl, when he's been asked

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about this, someone has kind of
pressed him on it.

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He's like, but don't you think
one has Pentecostal since

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they're trusting in Christ's
work on the cross, even though

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they think Christ and the Father
are the same, wouldn't they be

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saved?
And I, I, I think his response

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was good and it's something that
I would, he responded.

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Maybe.
I don't have.

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Anything in the Bible that would
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know the mind of God and I would
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exactly what the Bible teaches
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that and then you don't have to
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And then you don't have to risk
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Yeah, that that's great.
And I've heard I don't know if

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this is a John MacArthur quote
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know, probably, you know, many
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Probably not.
It's I know.

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How much do you are you like
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doctrine?
And you're you know, you're

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like, I, I am hard, firm and and
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But, you know, I think there is
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you know that that could happen.
You don't have to, you know,

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know everything perfectly and
you know even some really

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important things.
When I was first saved, when I

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was really saved, I was really
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father are one and stuff.
So I started like I, I don't

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know if it was like the the
realization that this man who

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lived 2000 years ago is God.
Like that was like you say those

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things in Sunday school, but
when you like really think about

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it.
So like I was really pushing

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this.
So I was, I don't know that I

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would ever said I was the one
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like, and then someone's like,
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still distinct persons and they
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description.
OK, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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can look back in your time where
you're like, Oh, yeah, I

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probably lessen the distinctions
too much here.

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We're not saying if you ever do
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heaven.
But but if you were to, like

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know that you go, well, I think
you're just that Scripture is

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wrong or you're not gonna, then
that's a problem.

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Yeah.
Moving on.

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Moving on.

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Word of Faith.
Yes, and, and, and some of some

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of these are are tricky, even if
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Pentecostalism, many
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Pentecostals and and then so
that's like very like.

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That's a good thing to make.
Yeah, We're not saying

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Pentecostals.
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particular stripe of
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And with Word of Faith, there's
not like it's like the term

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Baptist.
There are a lot of people who

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wear the, the the umbrella
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different beliefs.
So the Word of Faith, we're

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taking some generalizations out
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You could be Word of Faith and
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And we'll we'll say that that's
probably right.

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Yeah, that's fine.
We're not.

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We're not trying to nail down.
It's not as catechized as

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others.
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I, I like it.
So you talk to individuals in

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this, in this movements.
Some people you can even I, I

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like, I like this person, 'cause
sometimes you, you pick up

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things and the way they talk and
you're like, oh, that's

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interesting to put forth like
this little God's language,

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right?
Yeah, yeah.

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almost mimic God, like the power

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is in the word and not in God.
Like, Oh well, he spoke it.

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Those words are so powerful and
it's like, just say the name of

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Jesus and there's power in
Jesus.

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Well, it's like his name was
Yeshua, not not Jesus.

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Right, Yeah, yeah, if you want
to go like push on that argument

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super hard and it is confusing
because it is, It is powerful to

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speak scripture over someone,
right?

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And so it's like the.
Meaning is yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, it's not the actual words,
right?

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Yeah, Yeah, the sounds that
you're putting consonants.

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Yeah, exactly.
A lot of this is God is more

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mechanistic.
He operates by the spiritual

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law.
So if I do XY and Z, I'll get AB

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and C out and that really kind
of goes to some of their healing

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or monetary practices, so.
Yeah, where they, you know, you

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can kind of get a bat sometimes
get get a bad rap that yeah, X =

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Y and if you don't get Y, you
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whatever, whatever it might,
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And, and ultimately a lot of
their views kind of, you

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mentioned it with when we talked
a little goblet.

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But you blur this distinction
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where you do this formula and
you kind of take hold of that

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power.
Yeah, So maybe not quite as bad

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as one as Pentecostalism where
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ontology wrong, but some, some,
some distortions, new Apostolic

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Reformation, generally
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So those are were in line with
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So their problem is not in this
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So we're going to just kind of
look at all four of them.

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Real grateful.
So it's like, hey.

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We'll, we'll get to, we'll get
to authority later.

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We'll, we'll, we'll put that on
pause, OK.

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And then 7th Day Adventism,
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Trinitarian, so there's no real
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So the the big one in this
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Pentecostalism, with Word of
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on their view of who God is.
All right, the person of Christ.

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Christianity, that Christ 100%
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eternal Son.
This is important, not created.

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Not created.
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So the first born is actually a
title of preeminence, the

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preeminent 1.
You think of folks who had the

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monogen, There's so there's
monogenes only begotten.

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There's first born.
Those two terms, sometimes those

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get confused, but those are
titles of honor, honorifics in

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the Jewish system.
You think of Esau selling his

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birthright.
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So there's a way that Jesus the
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all creation.
He's he's the eminent 1.

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All right, so one is
Pentecostal.

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Muyari talked on this.
They explicitly deny eternal

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sonship.
The Sun begins at incarnation.

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Yeah, that's that, that that's
pretty big.

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And I wonder, you know, maybe
you know this when we're when

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we're talking Angel, the Lord
stuff, is that just like a

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manifestation or is that
separate, you know?

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I don't know what they would
say.

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I, I think what they're saying
is this is God and he starts

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wearing this hat.
This is another YEAH mode.

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It's just a mode of him.
So they probably would say Dos

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Theophanies was just a mode of
God, yeah.

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It's God.
Anyway, it's yeah, yeah.

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Makes sense?
Word of Faith in some of the

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extremes form Jesus was born
again.

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Jesus takes on Satan's nature on
the cross and atonement becomes

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redefined in there.
So it's not your typical penal

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substitution, but somehow Jesus
is being transformed.

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If if, if you're of the stripe
and you can explain this a bit

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to us, let's.
Talk more, it's great.

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Yeah, that'd.
Be great NARI, love the the

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sling.
NAR.

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NAR they they.
That's how.

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That's how our pastor says the
Word nor NAR.

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New, it's new Apostolic
Reformation.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Christology looking pretty good,

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generally Orthodox.
You know, maybe there's some

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some risk here in overshadow
overshadowing Christ with

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Apostolic authority structures.
We'll talk about that later.

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Well, you'll kind of see how
that might, you know, you run

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the risk of that, which is how,
how things are set up. 7th Day

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Adventists.
Again, generally Orthodox here,

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nor no formal break.
All right, so here's where we're

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going to start to see some, I
think a little bit of some shake

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UPS.
The gospel.

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How is 1 saved?
Obviously crashed classical

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Christianity justification by
grace alone through faith alone

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in Christ alone.
You know, all those Solas and we

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base it on our next one will
really kind of be a solo, you

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know, scripture alone.
But that's our our 4th category

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and we're not really Sacramento
or organizational when.

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It comes to solve it, Yeah, it's
not.

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This is you don't have.
To be yeah, baptism, it's not,

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it's not you have to be baptized
to be saved.

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These things that that that's
good so.

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We would have questions if you
didn't want to be.

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Baptized.
That's right.

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That's right.
There's that, that's a

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distinction.
It's it's importance, but not

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something that's kind of where
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Right.
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So that's good.
Oneness Pentecostalism talks

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about repentance plus baptism
and very important in Jesus

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name.
And if you are truly say that's

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going to manifest and be
evidenced in followed by

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tongues.
So it it is like this formula

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that if you don't have all the
pieces, then salvation comes

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into question where you have,
you know, a lot of the same

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stuff we would say like some of
that same language.

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And then you kind of like add
this, add this, add this.

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Yeah.
So we wouldn't, we would say,

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yeah, tongues was a gift.
Maybe it's not a gift today.

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That's that's up for debate.
There are evangelicals that fall

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on both those sides, but I don't
know if any evangelical or true

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Christian would say speaking in
tongues is required for

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salvation.
Even like your kind of run in

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the mill Pentecostal.
They would say, well, you

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haven't had the second baptism.
You're not living in the full

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spirit, but but you're still
saved.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I think.
They would still recognize that

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salvation's faith.
Grace through faith.

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Yeah.
Yeah.

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Man, you want to talk about
Galatians one and five here?

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Well, I mean, Galatians is
probably one of the best books

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in the Bible, at least one of
the top, you know what, 66 books

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that's.
Very true, very true.

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Well, Paul explicitly says in
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Why are you trying to return to
these works?

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If anyone comes and preach
another gospel, even if it's an

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Angel, he's accursed.
And then he's going to really

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drive that point home.
In chapter 5, he's dealing with

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a slightly different issue.
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Gentiles who are being told, no
Gentiles, you got to keep the

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law.
And he's going to come in and

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say, we didn't even keep the
law.

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How how are you going to try to
put this burden on Gentiles?

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And he tells the the Gentiles,
if you go and get circumcised

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for justification, that's the
key phrase.

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It's not saying you can't be
circumcised.

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But if you do that, then Christ
is no benefit because you got to

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keep the whole law.
Now you can't do that to be

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yeah, you can't do that to be to
get your salvation.

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So in the same way, you can't
add works to grace because it's

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either grace or works.
Wouldn't that be great?

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I would love to listen to, like
a sermon series preaching

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through Galatians of one of
these.

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You know what I mean?
Yeah.

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Yeah, it's good.
All right.

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Word of Faith movement faith
reframed often as a force that

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if you have enough faith, you
kind of use that faith in that

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formula to get kind of what,
what you want, where prosperity,

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things like healing that that's
presented as covenant

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guarantees.
So if you, you know, you have

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this faith, you're, you're
saved, like God's going to look

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out for you and you've got that
battle leg.

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It's you know, we're going to
fix that.

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All these things and the cross
essentially becomes this pathway

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to victory more so than
reconciliation.

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It gives you access to like all
of these, you know, financial

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gains, health, wealth,
prosperity, all these different,

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different things where this one
is tricky because a lot of that

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language is very similar.
And maybe the perspective or

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horizon is different where we
might say a lot of the same

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things, but we're looking much
farther down the road.

448
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:53,960
Yeah.
And in this episode I was

449
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:55,600
listening to today where they
were really kind of dealing with

450
00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:57,560
some of these same things.
They said this phrase that I

451
00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:01,920
thought was really beneficial,
Like what was the cross meant to

452
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:05,360
accomplish?
Was it meant to save us from our

453
00:23:05,360 --> 00:23:11,320
sins and reconcile us to Christ,
or was it meant to give us a

454
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:15,240
better life here on earth?
Not that it can't, but often it

455
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:17,840
doesn't give us, you know,
sometimes it it's worse.

456
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:21,440
Yeah, it can be worse.
So it's like, what is the point

457
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,560
of the cross?
Did Jesus come to save us or

458
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,440
just tell us how to live and and
have better stuff?

459
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:31,440
And that's a dividing line.
That's subtle, but it is a big.

460
00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:35,080
It is a fundamental difference.
Yeah, that and it's you really

461
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:39,440
pick up on this stuff when
you're like in that world or

462
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:40,560
talking.
I've got, we've got a few

463
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:45,680
friends in this kind of, you
know, area and it's like, man,

464
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:50,560
we just, you just need to pray
harder or believe more and your

465
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:51,680
next big break's going to
happen.

466
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:53,400
You know what I mean?
This kind of thing.

467
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:57,160
So I, I that that's good.
All right, moving on to the New

468
00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:00,960
Apostolic Reformation.
For them, the gospel sometimes

469
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,600
is subordinated to dominion
language.

470
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:05,960
So they're going to take
dominion over stuff.

471
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,160
The emphasis here, it's, it's
not that they necessarily get

472
00:24:09,360 --> 00:24:14,360
the gospel wrong if you were to
ask them, but the emphasis can

473
00:24:14,360 --> 00:24:18,640
be shifted over on, you know,
breakthrough destiny.

474
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:23,320
There's triumphism, you know,
'cause the apostles are, are,

475
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,000
you know, kind of they're,
they're there, they've been

476
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:27,840
anointed.
I I think that that's

477
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,960
problematic because the apostles
are supposed to have

478
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:34,440
authorities, right?
So that we'll get to really the

479
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:39,200
big break between US and new
Apostolic Reformation in the in

480
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:42,000
the last section.
So it's not is again, it's one

481
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,160
of those.
It's not like definitely you

482
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:47,520
could point to, oh, this is a
place where they're outside the

483
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:51,520
pale, but it's like where the
the emphasis is in the wrong

484
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:53,360
spot does that.
Mean yeah, that that that makes

485
00:24:53,360 --> 00:24:55,800
a lot of sense. 7th day
Adventist.

486
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:59,680
I think you know, the law
officially grace based and we

487
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:01,960
can kind of see it has lined up
pretty well with some of these

488
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:05,960
other doctrines.
There's a specific doctrine,

489
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:12,880
this investigative judgment
doctrine that essentially calls

490
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:14,520
into question assurance of
salvation.

491
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:18,280
Can you have, can you have true
assurance and then if you can

492
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:21,000
guess from the name or you know,
if you, if you knew anything

493
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:24,600
about someday Adventist,
emphasis on the 7th day, the

494
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:28,360
Sabbath, that observance and,
and adhering to it that that's a

495
00:25:28,360 --> 00:25:30,000
big deal.
I had a buddy who went to a

496
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,200
physical therapy school that was
someday Adventist and it was

497
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:36,280
like the study patterns were
different than like mine at MUSC

498
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:38,800
or the things that you could do
on campus based on the day of

499
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:39,800
the week kind of thing.
That's.

500
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,640
That's interesting.
And so we're not saying that

501
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:48,240
holding your services on a
Saturday is wrong or that you

502
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,160
can do that.
What we're saying is you have

503
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,040
freedom.
I would say some Christians

504
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:56,560
disagree, especially your What
is it the 16?

505
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,280
1689. 1689 I can remember the
last two.

506
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:00,360
They love it.
Yeah.

507
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,200
If you're if you're a lot, a lot
of these reformed, it's, you

508
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:07,560
know, it's, it's important.
It's very almost, I think too,

509
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:11,520
too far because I Paul says some
some days count this day, some

510
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,800
days count this day.
We're not going to judge a

511
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:15,840
person for the day that they
they see on.

512
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,480
So that's that's I'm a little
bit more loose with it.

513
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,720
I know, I know.
You're probably lean more 1689.

514
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:26,760
I, I, I, I do, I do like, I
like, I like Sunday being

515
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:28,320
emphasized.
I I do like that.

516
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:30,280
I do, I like it too.
Yeah, yeah.

517
00:26:30,360 --> 00:26:32,440
Yeah, but I would never say.
Yeah, you're not.

518
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:36,520
You're out of for observing it
on Saturday.

519
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:37,680
What?
About Monday.

520
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,080
I don't think you.
I I don't think you.

521
00:26:41,360 --> 00:26:42,560
I'm just getting it.
I'm just I'm just getting.

522
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:48,720
But and so my my critique of the
SDA is here 7th Day Adventists

523
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:53,800
would be the same is where you
legalize the day that that

524
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:57,960
you're yeah, a lot of.
Emphasis a lot of pressure that

525
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,920
you you know yeah lacking
lacking that grace let's get to

526
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:08,160
the fun one authority who speaks
for God because when you get to

527
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,720
ultimate authority that that
tells you a lot about you know

528
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:15,280
what where Allegiant where where
these different cults lie so

529
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:18,160
let's look at the classical
historical creedal Christianity

530
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:24,480
Scripture is final authority
apostles kind of spoke for God

531
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,200
time and place you know it's not
we don't.

532
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,480
Jesus Cornerstone.
Jesus Cornerstone, right?

533
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:31,800
And Apostles Foundation.
That's what Paul says in

534
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:36,040
Ephesians, yeah.
Teachers today do explain

535
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,680
scripture, but they do not, you
know, speak.

536
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,480
It's not ex cathedra.
I'm speaking Scripture.

537
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,320
It goes.
Yeah, 'cause like, so we're in

538
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:49,480
this series in our home church
where Jesus saying you've heard

539
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:55,720
it said this, but I say to you
this, and I don't even remember

540
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,920
apostles saying that.
Yeah, right, right, right.

541
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:06,560
But apostles would sometimes
have some what they took, I

542
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:08,400
don't even want to say
liberties, what a what?

543
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,840
So they would take maybe some
Old Testament passages and they

544
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:15,520
would say, boom, here's a way to
understand this.

545
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:17,800
That's great.
I under I imagine Peter just

546
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:21,320
being like boom.
Under the inspiration of the

547
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:25,680
Spirit, which for for you or me
to do that, we don't have that

548
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:29,920
license to interpret an Old
Testament passage beyond what it

549
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:33,960
might say to us.
So I I guess that's as far as

550
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:37,240
the apostles take it.
But but their written words were

551
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:41,280
recognized as Scripture.
The upper room discourse where

552
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,520
Jesus is saying, you know, I'm
going to give you all truth.

553
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,960
I think that's to the apostles
who are writing Scripture so

554
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,840
that the Spirit LED them into
all truth so that they would be

555
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:52,640
inerrant in what they're
writing.

556
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,880
This is great.
Have we been going in a certain

557
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,080
order or we we've been jumping
all over the place?

558
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,840
I mean normally.
Yeah, normally oneness comes

559
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:01,240
first.
Hey you.

560
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,000
You want to keep it going with.
Oneness.

561
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,400
Do oneness.
All right, So you look at

562
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,240
Oneness Pentecostalism, there's
the strong centralized

563
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,880
nominational control in in some
bodies.

564
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,160
Again, you know, there's,
there's different probably

565
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,880
little subdivisions.
This kind of thing, this

566
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:21,400
baptismal formula, this is very
important, you know, even to

567
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:27,000
salvation where it gets gets
elevated as that, that's a huge

568
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,560
authority point.
Yep, Yep.

569
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:31,320
And then what was the next one?
We were doing the.

570
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:33,080
Next one Word of Faith and and
to this one.

571
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:34,960
This is where it gets tricky.
And even not Word of Faith,

572
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:38,960
maybe some, you know, not one is
Pentecostal Pentecostals when

573
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,760
you mention this word prophecy,
like what's this mean?

574
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,200
Is it a word from God?
Is it on the same level of

575
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,920
scripture?
This this gets very confusing.

576
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:50,920
Someone like, you know, Wayne
Drudem is pretty can be pretty

577
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:55,800
liberal with prophecy.
Where are you like Isaiah and

578
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:57,960
Jeremiah Or, you know, it's
like, what?

579
00:29:57,960 --> 00:29:59,160
What's this mean?
What does that mean?

580
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:04,880
Yeah, I think I, I think we, you
and I would both agree that God

581
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,840
could give a prophetic message
to someone today.

582
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:12,680
Yeah, but I think it's that
person's on the hook to make me

583
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,760
believe it.
Like I, I I have no good reason

584
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:19,840
to think that God has spoken
through anyone recently.

585
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,880
And just because you come up to
me and say God told me this,

586
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,440
that's not enough for me.
It actually reminds me that God

587
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,080
was telling me that you should
give me 50 bucks.

588
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:34,280
I got this.
You know, word of prophecy, It's

589
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:36,520
not against Scripture to give me
money, so.

590
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:40,600
That is crazy because God
actually talked to me and he

591
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:42,000
said you should give me 100
bucks.

592
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:47,640
It's like the sorry to mention
this off color show that Zach

593
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:51,640
watches.
But the that scene where what's

594
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,160
the guy who plays the banjo?
Oh, that's great.

595
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,200
Oh, Andy.
Andy is like, we could have our

596
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,840
answering machine and we could
just have the answer just have a

597
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:02,400
little more zip and pop and then
John's like I've got an idea.

598
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,680
We could do an even newer
answering machine with even a

599
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:08,880
little more extra zip like.
Something like, yeah, that's

600
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:12,960
that's really good, but just.
To not make light of prophecy,

601
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,800
you could get into a situation
if someone's abusing that, where

602
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:17,440
it is like that, just one up and
one up.

603
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,200
And even you step out of Word of
Faith, you stepped into, you

604
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,480
know, the circles we've run in,
you hear people.

605
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:25,800
It's like, well, God told me
this.

606
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:27,720
And it's like, that's like the
trump card.

607
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:31,960
It's like, well, you know, and,
you know, maybe someone did have

608
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:33,000
a dream.
Maybe they thought God told

609
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,040
maybe, maybe that.
Maybe it's just it's hard to

610
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:41,080
verify, especially when it's,
you know, not neutral.

611
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,360
It doesn't go.
It doesn't, you know, if someone

612
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,320
if if you say like God told me
to forgive my wife, I'm like,

613
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:47,800
probably.
So, yeah.

614
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,920
I mean, it's like I could, I
could read you a verse and God

615
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:52,520
is speaking, you know?
Right.

616
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:54,640
Yeah, you don't.
You wouldn't need the audible

617
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:58,400
voice of God to tell you to
forgive your wife when he's

618
00:31:58,400 --> 00:31:59,600
already written it down to you,
right?

619
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:01,040
Right.
Right, right.

620
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:01,920
Right.
Yes, yes.

621
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:06,080
So yeah, just, you know, not to
get back on.

622
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:07,880
Another podcast was already
done, but God's never going to

623
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:08,960
tell you to do something that's
against.

624
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,480
Scripture that that that's good.
That's a that's a red flag right

625
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:13,640
there.
When it's I've got like you like

626
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:15,000
what Jesus was saying of the
sermon in the mouth.

627
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,320
Someone else is saying that bad,
bad news.

628
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,280
All right, so where are we?
So we did oneness, we did Word

629
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,320
of Faith.
So here the, you know, the

630
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,640
authority can be, you know, in
the ability to name something

631
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:29,520
and claim it.
That's I know that that people

632
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:31,640
probably get tired of that, but
it is this phrase that kind of

633
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:35,200
catches the that thought process
of, you know, you can name it

634
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,440
and you can claim it as it goes
back to those more mechanistic

635
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:44,960
rules that God is governed by.
Next one is NAR, new Apostolic

636
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,520
reformation.
This is probably the biggest one

637
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:52,440
that has a real the.
Name Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

638
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,320
Apostles, prophets popping up
everywhere.

639
00:32:55,320 --> 00:33:00,000
That's like how you Apostle
John, Apostle Michael, Apostle

640
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,040
Zach, you know, it's like how
you refer to to people.

641
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:07,040
And so and then for clarity to
other, you know, the

642
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:10,680
nominations, they might use that
terminology, but may not mean it

643
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,720
as like an apostle.
They might just mean, you know,

644
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,320
a send out one of some sort
like.

645
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:19,240
So some of that defining your
terms is of.

646
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:20,520
Importance.
So yeah.

647
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:24,800
So there are some people that
are given the title Apostle that

648
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,960
you wouldn't put to a, what I
would call a capital, a apostle.

649
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,120
But they're sent out not from
Jesus, they're sent out from

650
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:32,920
someone else.
And that's the distinction.

651
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:37,200
So if you know you told one of
your JV soccer players like,

652
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,640
hey, go talk to this team, tell
them yada yada yada, they are an

653
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,160
apostle of Zach, then 'cause
you've sent them out with the

654
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:44,600
message, right?
Yeah, I love it.

655
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:49,400
But that doesn't raise them to
the office of Apostle of Jesus

656
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:53,160
Christ, who he sent out to
establish his church.

657
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:56,280
'Cause we mentioned it, if you
have that office, then you are

658
00:33:56,280 --> 00:34:01,040
speaking for for God and we
mentioned the foundation.

659
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:05,040
You're really laying out a much
different house.

660
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,320
Foundation is really sprawling
and adding new foundation all

661
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:09,400
the time.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

662
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:14,360
All right.
And then our last, the SDAS, 7th

663
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,920
Day Adventist.
So they do have some apostles

664
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:21,040
who have authority there.
Ellen G White as a prophetic

665
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:25,679
authority, officially
subordinate to the Scripture.

666
00:34:25,679 --> 00:34:30,320
But at practice, yeah, they're
going to say that her prophecies

667
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:34,120
are going to help people to
understand what Scripture meant.

668
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,840
And I don't want to sound
churlish when I say those

669
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:42,480
things, but if it, you know, is
clearly reinterpreting something

670
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:46,080
and really bending Scripture,
then I don't think that she's

671
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:47,199
actually.
Yeah.

672
00:34:47,199 --> 00:34:52,800
And I'm not up enough on SD as
to point to specific examples.

673
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:54,400
Maybe we should have brought
some of those in the notes.

674
00:34:54,400 --> 00:35:01,320
But that general POS what's
authority structure is somewhat

675
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,320
problematic.
And that, that, that's good.

676
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,680
I like, you know, what we've
tried to do in this episode

677
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:08,160
because I think we've we've
looked at different things.

678
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:09,240
We've done it through the
series.

679
00:35:09,240 --> 00:35:13,040
We look at all these different
deviations and and there is a

680
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,320
spectrum.
Some are just outright, we

681
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,160
mentioned it like heretical.
A lot of them are, you know, and

682
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:21,440
a lot of these and some areas,
some places are inbounds and in

683
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:23,160
other areas they're out of
bounds.

684
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:27,720
Some are like this subtle
distortion where if you push on

685
00:35:27,720 --> 00:35:29,320
it too hard, yeah, we're out of
bounds.

686
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,640
But you know, maybe in certain
areas not, but we're kind of

687
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:36,040
hitting all the different.
It's like a rubric, like how are

688
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:37,560
we doing here, here, here or
here?

689
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:39,560
Yeah, yeah, Yep.
All right.

690
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:44,200
So that is what we're covering.
So some of the big deviations,

691
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:49,920
oneness, Trinity departure, Word
of Faith, Gospel distortion, new

692
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,440
new Apostolic Reformation.
Obviously their authority is

693
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,360
destabilized because you have
people who are on the same level

694
00:35:56,360 --> 00:36:01,080
as John and Paul, but probably
aren't being led by the Spirit

695
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,840
like John and Paul were.
And then you have your SD as

696
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:07,440
where law and assurance there's
tension with, you know, the

697
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:12,840
additional prophet authority.
So when you look at these

698
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:18,840
clearly lesser off of the, you
know, they're closer to, I would

699
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:23,680
say orthodox Christianity is
then Mormonism or Jehovah's

700
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:27,320
Witness.
Probably the biggest one would

701
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:31,400
be the Trinity departure and the
Oneness Pentecostalism.

702
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,600
That's that's probably the the
one that raises the biggest

703
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,200
flag.
Man, I like it.

704
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,720
Any anything else we want we
want to close out with.

705
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,600
Not necessarily for for this.
So just where this series is

706
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:45,400
going.
Yeah.

707
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:48,520
So we're going to talk about the
Black Hebrew Israelites.

708
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:52,320
They are different enough that I
thought they probably deserve

709
00:36:52,720 --> 00:36:57,360
their own episode.
And they're like every now and

710
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:00,160
then, you know, chirping a
little bit where they're like,

711
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:02,800
they're around.
Yeah, there was a time where I

712
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:06,520
saw them showing up a lot on
reels and I haven't seen it as

713
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:08,040
much.
So again, I don't know if it's

714
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,240
one of those things that's kind
of a flash in the pan and and

715
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:13,000
they're kind of or if they're
really sticking around, they

716
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:14,160
have some staying power.
I don't know.

717
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:15,360
OK.
I like that, yeah.

718
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,960
And then we are going to look at
Catholicism.

719
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:24,720
Man, yeah, the big one.
Because when we measure

720
00:37:24,720 --> 00:37:29,600
Catholicism by some of these
standards, by what is at least

721
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:33,120
written down for their doctrine,
it's troublesome.

722
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:35,680
That is interesting, right?
Yeah.

723
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,400
You look, I don't like this.
We're looking at and with

724
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:41,880
Catholicism, What's nice about
Catholicism is that there is

725
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:45,440
dogma like you could, you can,
you can find what they believe,

726
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:47,120
like what the church believes,
right?

727
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:48,920
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, and and there's some

728
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:54,720
things that are that are core
issues that are not completely

729
00:37:54,720 --> 00:37:58,160
square with the Bible.
And so it's like it's hard to be

730
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:02,760
the judge to say, oh, is that so
far that you can't be a

731
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,840
Christian?
Well, yeah, I, I don't know that

732
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:07,520
I ultimately get to make that
call.

733
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:12,320
In fact, I, I know I'm not.
But it, it's, it goes back to

734
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:13,280
the what we said at the
beginning.

735
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:18,560
Like you can read the Bible and
be assured, like, why risk being

736
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,040
believing counter to what the
Scripture says?

737
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:22,560
Like just just read it.
Yeah.

738
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:26,280
Yeah, great.
Well, do we transition to the?

739
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,600
Final take.
Final, last take, Last take,

740
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:30,960
final take.
I can't never remember.

741
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:35,800
I can never remember.
Hey, what's the I ran across the

742
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:39,240
kid who knows you at North.
I forgot he's in my

743
00:38:39,240 --> 00:38:40,760
neighborhood.
Northwood kid.

744
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:41,880
He's on the varsity.
Soccer team.

745
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:44,760
The varsity soccer team.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Brendan.

746
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:47,240
Yeah, is his name.
Say his name again.

747
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,760
Brendan.
Brendan, I, I don't know the

748
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:51,920
varsity players as well and I
always get confused if it's

749
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,120
Brendan or Brendan, but now I
know Brendan.

750
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:57,520
There's Brendan at our church,
Brendan at school.

751
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:00,520
OK, great, great.
But he have he have good things

752
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:03,040
to say.
Yeah, he basically said, coach,

753
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:05,720
I know my name because we don't
interact enough.

754
00:39:05,720 --> 00:39:07,640
And I was like, hey, I I was
like, hey, I know you.

755
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:10,360
And I was like, man, we got
First Baptist Friday.

756
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:12,400
How you feeling?
How do you feel like we're going

757
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,240
to do?
And he just said Yikes and drove

758
00:39:14,240 --> 00:39:19,560
away.
There you go.

759
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:23,000
You know, at least the it's
cooling down a little bit so my

760
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,520
my long sleeve coaching gear
will be more appropriate.

761
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:26,880
Right.
It was pretty hot.

762
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,160
Yesterday I was dying.
Yeah, oh man, Yeah.

763
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:34,240
Any any appropriate weather gear
on the horizon for you?

764
00:39:34,240 --> 00:39:35,240
Yes, I did.
Oh.

765
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:37,240
Great.
Yeah, I'm excited.

766
00:39:37,240 --> 00:39:41,040
I I should be careful with with
what I say.

767
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:44,480
But what I will say is Jonathan
White.

768
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:46,880
Oh.
For the win, OK, great.

769
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:51,120
For the win, it's good.
I do have a beef to pick with.

770
00:39:52,240 --> 00:39:55,640
So I, I, I'm partially
responsible for, I guess a lot

771
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:58,080
responsible for getting you into
this coaching position.

772
00:39:58,080 --> 00:39:59,920
So that's.
Great, I've I've really enjoyed.

773
00:39:59,920 --> 00:40:01,840
It oh good, that's been good.
They send out an e-mail and like

774
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,680
hey, we need AJV soccer coach.
I was like, I know you're a guy.

775
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,520
I just hope I get I I can keep
the job for next year.

776
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:10,520
I hope we can get AI.
Think if you're willing to do.

777
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:11,160
It.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

778
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:12,960
They're probably going to be
willing to have you in there.

779
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:14,880
I've I've really enjoyed.
It's been fun.

780
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,360
The practices I have felt have
gone well.

781
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,040
The hardest thing is we just
have a big team.

782
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:22,280
But that's a good problem to
have.

783
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:25,120
Like there's a lot of interest
in the 6th and 7th grade.

784
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,280
So my beef is do y'all have a
game next Tuesday?

785
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:29,680
We do.
What time does it start?

786
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:32,480
It's against Heathwood, I can
check it out with me to look it

787
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:33,240
up or do.
You know this?

788
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:34,200
Yeah.
No, I don't know.

789
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:39,200
OK, I feel like I feel like this
is a setup well.

790
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:40,840
It could be a setup, I don't
know.

791
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:46,200
Let's see, it's loading next
Tuesday at 5:00 PM. 5:00 PM.

792
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:48,200
How soon do the players need to
be there?

793
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:52,880
Me I I usually say like 4-15
would be great knowing that 415

794
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:54,640
won't get there till 4:30.
OK.

795
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:55,800
All right.
So you give them like a 15

796
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:56,920
minute buffer.
Yeah.

797
00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:01,880
So it's totally reasonable for
your players who are on the

798
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:06,560
chess club to go to their SKISA
chess tournament that day if we

799
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,760
get back between 4:00 and 4:15.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

800
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:10,560
They should do it.
That's great.

801
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,040
They can get back.
I had people.

802
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:13,080
Yeah, it's great.
OK.

803
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:13,840
Yeah.
All right.

804
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,440
So I need you to tell some
specific players, Yes, you can

805
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:17,720
go.
If they if they can get back by

806
00:41:17,720 --> 00:41:19,760
4:15, great.
I would have liked them already

807
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:24,440
to go at 4:15 just because I
know it won't be real sick like

808
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:25,760
4:30.
I'm always going early, you know

809
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:26,480
what I mean?
It's fine.

810
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:30,240
Yeah, I won't want to say names
because Leanne told us we

811
00:41:30,240 --> 00:41:36,400
couldn't, but we can say
Jonathan's child.

812
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:37,920
He's not one.
I think he's, yeah, he's

813
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:39,480
definitely going to the chess.
Nice.

814
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,840
But there's one who speaks
another language.

815
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:46,000
I usually have more than one
that speak another language.

816
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:50,280
So that's not, yeah, a Slavic.
Yeah, I like it.

817
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:53,160
I'm like, yeah, you can go.
And he's like, I don't know if I

818
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:55,160
can go.
I mean, I have kids.

819
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:59,040
They went to like they, I think
they travelled to Columbia for a

820
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:01,680
archery tournament and made it
back in time for practice.

821
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:03,240
And I was like, you guys are
awesome.

822
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,000
That's great.
Like if you can like manage your

823
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:08,400
responsibilities, do it.
And I can be like on, I can be

824
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:12,400
like, we got to go whether the
award ceremony is over or not.

825
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:14,320
We got to go, 'cause I got to
get guys back.

826
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:18,080
But also I I've had parents just
show up and like as soon as that

827
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:21,720
last game's over, take kids.
Oh yeah, before.

828
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:23,320
'Cause I got I do have to pack
up.

829
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:27,680
There is a short award ceremony.
I think because they probably

830
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:28,800
don't.
How many tournaments do you guys

831
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:30,080
have in chess?
Just two.

832
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:31,680
Like, yeah, that's a big deal.
You know what I mean?

833
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:33,000
That's and it's good if they
can.

834
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,280
I like it when kids can do it.
Yeah.

835
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:36,840
And 5:00.
We'll see, yeah.

836
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:38,480
Like like a time it's no, it
should be fine.

837
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:41,720
I mean, obviously if there's a
major accident on 95.

838
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:44,960
Go around it, we can.
Just go through touch through

839
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,200
you know you can never.
And you're driving.

840
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:50,320
Walk me through.
It's not Jonathan White walked

841
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:51,560
me through and he told me it's
not bad at all.

842
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:53,400
Driving the bus makes me
nervous.

843
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:55,360
Are you driving like a bus or?
Yeah, I'm just driving one of

844
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:58,800
those little people movers.
Yeah, the fourteen person bus,

845
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:00,440
so should be fine.
Not bad, yeah.

846
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:01,520
I'm.
Done.

847
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:03,880
I'm saying I've never driven one
of those before, but the very

848
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,040
first time Friday.
Yeah, the very first time I

849
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:10,480
drove a bus for a couple times I
was like, but then I'm like.

850
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:13,360
It's not that bad.
Am I taking corners too fast?

851
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:14,680
Am I?
Yeah, that's good.

852
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:16,680
I love nothing makes me at
least.

853
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,480
I think you are supposed to stop
at railroad crossing.

854
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:20,600
Oh, that's good to know.
So I.

855
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:24,040
Do yeah, some of our buses have
it written on the back.

856
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,400
This bus stops at railroad
crossings, the new ones.

857
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:28,200
So for those I definitely.
Definitely do.

858
00:43:28,240 --> 00:43:29,720
That's smart.
Yeah.

859
00:43:29,720 --> 00:43:33,320
There's nothing that excites me
more than driving from Northwood

860
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:36,240
to James Island at like 4:30 in
the afternoon on Friday.

861
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:40,000
Just I'm excited for that.
In a rectangle, yeah.

862
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,640
Yeah.
That's the there's no self

863
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:44,920
driving for this.
I know, man, I'll be where's

864
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:49,360
that self driving button?
Hey and we can wrap it up and

865
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:51,600
going on hey.
No, we got 40 more minutes of.

866
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:53,720
We got.
I'll save it for another

867
00:43:53,720 --> 00:43:54,480
episode.
I'll ask.

868
00:43:54,720 --> 00:43:56,920
It'll be two too much, but it's
good.

869
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:58,160
I've been I've been enjoying
soccer.

870
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,640
I'm just hoping, hoping the kids
are enjoying it too.

871
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:02,240
You know I.
Think so, Some of them said

872
00:44:02,240 --> 00:44:04,400
you're too nice.
Oh, who said this, Steve?

873
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:06,240
Told me off there.
Yeah, we'll talk.

874
00:44:06,240 --> 00:44:07,400
We'll talk.
All right.

875
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:09,320
All right.
Great.

876
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:11,360
You gotta.
You gotta get the.

877
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:12,320
Yeah, like the smack.
Down.

878
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:14,400
You need that moderate to severe
temper out there.

879
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,160
There you go.
Yeah, I love it.

880
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:21,400
Anything else you got?
No, I, I'm good.

881
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:23,680
I love it.
Well, that's our take.

882
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:26,560
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Two.

883
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:29,880
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884
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:31,600
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