Cults | Is the Roman Catholic Gospel the Biblical Gospel?

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All right, the Colts.
We're back at it.

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This one's going to hit hard.
Boy.

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I know that we were probably of
all of them.

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I'm guessing we're going to get
some comments on on our next

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series, because we're gonna do
three.

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Yeah, on the Roman Catholic
Church.

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Yeah, and this one's a tough one
because most people probably

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know someone, maybe a family
member, Co workers, that kind of

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thing.
And so this, this does hit

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closer to home where you might
not have as much interaction,

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which I was witness Mormonism,
whatever, just by sheer numbers

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you're gonna interact a little
bit with, with Roman

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Catholicism.
And so I feel like we had to do

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our.
This is a good time.

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Normal disclaimer, we're using
the word cult not in the

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cultural sense or a derogatory
since we're using it in the

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academic sense.
Important distinction.

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Yeah.
So and that and that sense is if

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you have someone who is using
the main label, but they are

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significantly different in
primary areas.

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And so and so in what we are
talking about here is the formal

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doctrine of the Roman Catholic
Church, not the individual

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doctrine of a single Roman.
Catholic, that's a good point.

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And I think what's nice about
doing a series on this it is it

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the dogma side of things.
It's much easier than

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Protestantism where you know,
and that's and if you're talking

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to a Catholic, they're probably
gonna point at Protestantism and

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say everyone's got a different
everyone.

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It's it's the book of judges.
Everybody was writing his own

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eyes versus like, but by that
same standard, we can at least

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accurately and faithfully to
what they say, be OK, This is

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this is what your book says,
man.

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This is what?
You know, yeah, like our last

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episode we did on Black Hebrew
Israelites, we're like, it's a

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loose collection.
There's not, but it's kind of

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the opposite end of the
spectrum, Roman Catholic.

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So we're going to do 3 episodes.
The first one's really going to

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be on how, how am I saved?
It'll be on the Gospel itself.

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That that's a good, good thing
to highlight because probably

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just more than any other, like
we talked about some of these

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other cults and it's like we're
talking a lot about the Trinity

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and Christology and, you know,
obviously we'll probably hit on

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some Christology stuff, but it's
like Trinity looks pretty good.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, pretty good.
We could check that box, right?

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Yeah, you know, the doctrine of
God himself really good

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authority might be an issue.
Yeah, that's right.

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That's right.
And so we will do an episode on

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authority.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And but this one is mainly on
the Gospel and, and similar to

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Mormons, Catholics will use a
lot of words that a Protestant

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would use and but what they mean
by them are different.

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So we're going to dial into some
of those because when we say

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justification, when they say
justification, those are two

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they they have different
definitions behind that.

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So let's look at that.
Yeah, yeah.

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All right, let's take it to the
next level.

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Let's fire up that twangy music.
From the hearts of the Low

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Country in South Carolina.
It's the Take Two podcast where

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we take theology to the next
level, the golden standard.

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I love it.
Sound like a broken record in a

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good way.
In a good.

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Way there's a take away from
this Cold series?

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This is a great take away.
That's right where Paul says I

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imparted to you the gospel and I
gave it to you.

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And then in Galatians 18 he's
going to say, but even if we or

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an Angel from heaven should
preach to you a gospel contrary

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to what we preach to you, he is
to be accursed.

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And that is the word anathema
man.

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So it's, it's a, it's a huge
important thing that if we're

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distorting the very way someone
goes into heaven, someone

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reconnects with God after
sinning, it's a, it's a vitally

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important thing.
And that's why, you know, even

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though we love Catholics, we
love is not, not, not that we're

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hating on the people or
anything, but it's important

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that the Gospel gets delivered
correctly.

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Yeah.
And and so any other gospel

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contrary so so there's not many
things that can really override

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the gospel that was presented.
It's really in there.

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Even if an Angel came and said
it to you, that's great.

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Straight straight out of
Galatians standards pretty high.

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Right, All right, so further on
in Galatians, Galatians 5.

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So we really kind of, we want to
really precisely nail down what

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the gospel is.
Galatians 5, two through 4.

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Again, if you're not familiar
with the book of Galatians,

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these Judaizers have come in to
Galatia and the Jews that were

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there and the Gentiles that were
there who were not necessarily

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trying to keep the law.
The Judaizers are now saying you

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have to keep the law if you want
to be justified.

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And Paul is going to come in and
say if you receive circumcision

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for justification, then Christ
will be of no benefit to you,

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because if you are going to earn
salvation through works, it has

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to be perfect.
Yeah, you don't.

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There's no margin for error.
Right, and so that you can't mix

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grace and works, Paul, Paul
gonna say you have been severed

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from Christ, you heard me, who
are seeking to be justified by

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the law.
You have fallen from grace.

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So it's either it's either grace
or the law.

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Yeah again, strong words like
before it was accursed here it

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is severed.
It's not like oh, we'll see what

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happens.
It's it's pretty cut and try

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yes, it's not you're a little
confused.

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It's no, it's, it's the, the
stakes are much higher.

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I just alluded to it Romans
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is by grace, it's no longer on
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Otherwise, grace is no longer
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So if I'm giving you something
and I owe it to you, then

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there's no way that I'm just
giving it to you out of out of

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goodness of my heart because I
owe it to you.

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That would be you earning it by
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But if you haven't done anything
to to earn it, I'm just giving

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it to you, then that's grace.
And it's like you can't have a

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mixture of of those.
Yeah, Grace plus works.

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If that's your equation, then at
at some point you are earning

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it.
Right.

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Yeah, yeah, All right.
So what does the Roman Catholic

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Church officially teach?
Council of Trent in 1547, so I'm

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assuming this is after.
Yeah, have you?

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Did you listen to this Wes Huff
on Diary of a CEO?

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I did not.
I heard.

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I know he just came out.
Yeah, he alluded to Council of

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Trent Session 6.
He was just on that episode.

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He didn't come out breaking
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Yeah, sorry.
But he, he, he, he cited Council

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of Trent Session 6.
So exactly what we're going to

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say, which is for you now.
So Rome says justification is

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not by faith alone.
Righteousness is infused, not

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merely imputed.
Cooperation with grace AKA works

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is required.
Canon 9.

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Here's a quote.
If anyone says that a Sinner is

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justified by faith alone, let
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And in the context is really
important because this is coming

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on the heels of the Reformation.
Obviously the statement's clear

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and it's supposed to be clear
because it's supposed to be kind

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of squashing this this movement.
So it's not like you're taking

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this out.
We didn't mean it's like

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directly facing this idea of
solafide faith alone.

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It's it's purposely calculated,
premeditated.

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That's what they're trying to
say.

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Yeah.
And it's not fringe Catholicism.

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This is center Catholicism.
So if you're a Catholic and you

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believe other than this, then
you're not, you're not a good

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Catholic.
And so you may have heard us

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jokingly say, hey, there's gonna
be Catholics in heaven, but

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they're not the good Catholics
because the, the, you know,

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gospel is, you know, directly
contrary to what this particular

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council would say.
So let's let's get into maybe

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some of the nuts and bolts of
where there's a difference.

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Let's look at what we would say
is biblical justification,

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talking a lot from Paul, drawing
a lot from these ideas, the

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Reformation, which were heavily
based on places like Romans and

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Galatians.
All right, so we would have

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declared righteousness or
imputed righteousness or legal

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righteousness.
So God, you know, when you are

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regenerated, we know that we're
still sinful.

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But on the books you've been
justified, AKA you've been

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legally declared righteous with
God's righteousness.

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That is Pauline Christine
theology.

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OK, Yeah, that, that, that's
good.

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We're declared that.
Yeah, that important.

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That's going to be a good
declared righteous stuff like

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that.
All right, what's next?

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It's based on Christ finished
work, so Christ life builds up

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positive merit and his death
takes away our demerits.

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So you could say, so he lived a
righteous life that we couldn't

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live.
He in his death, he took the

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penalty for our unrighteous
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So it's a swap where we get seen
with the merit of Christ, and

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Christ, at least for that time
when he was on the cross, is

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seen and punished for our
unrighteousness.

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So I like both of those emphasis
because, you know, it's not like

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Christ just magically appeared
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It's like, man, that act of
obedience was really, really

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important.
And then the the suffering as

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well.
All right, what do we got next?

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It's received on the basis of
faith alone.

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You think of Ephesians 28 other
passages so that no man may

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boast.
Yeah, 'cause if it, if it, if

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it's based on what you did, then
you're like, hey, I'll take my

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bow, right?
Yeah, I was declared righteous

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and then I kept it, you know, or
something like that.

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You or something?
That.

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Yeah, that that's good.
So we would almost think like

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Abraham believed God and it was
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Yeah, reckoned to him, counted
to him, and that has that legal

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language into it 'cause we know
Abraham wasn't righteous.

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Just keep reading after.
That that's a good point.

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He makes, he makes mistakes.
Works follow as a fruit.

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So we're not saying, so we could
bring Paul and James right next

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to each other.
We could give them both a hug.

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Paul's going to say you enter
through faith.

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James is going to say once
you're enter in through faith,

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that faith is going to be
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Paul's going to say in Galatians
5-6 that Christianity is faith,

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working through love.
And so we have faith, but it's a

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faith that's living and active.
And because we're no longer

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living our own lives, but Christ
lives through us, there are

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works that come about with that
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And those works are motivated by
love, not motivated for

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justification.
That's a huge dividing line.

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It's great that you brought up
James, because it's probably one

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of the objections that might be
brought up from the Catholic

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side.
Be like, well, this is what

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James says, yeah.
So that's good, Matthew 24,

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where Jesus says where you fed
this person, where you closed

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this person.
That's how you know.

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And so if that's all we had was
James and Paul and Jesus

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statement there at the end of
his life, you might go, OK, we

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got the doctrine wrong, but we
have so much more there that

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helps us understand those in a
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And then finally our assurance
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John 10 would say, you know, I
have you in my hand and the I'm

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in the Father.
No man can take you from my

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hand.
So this idea of perseverance.

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If someone walks away from the
faith, John would say, they're

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showing that they never were
really were a part of.

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Us yeah, it goes back to the
works and the as being a fruit

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it's like man just wasn't wasn't
there.

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Right.
Yeah.

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So if someone definitely shows,
you know, there's another famous

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podcast where I quote every now
and then he says if you're

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living like hell, that's
probably where you're headed

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just 'cause you walked an owlet
when you were 12, that that that

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work of walking an aisle isn't
enough to save you.

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It's that saving faith in
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And when you have that, then
good works will naturally follow

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from that.
Yeah, I, I like this.

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And and when we look at this
compared with Catholicism, I

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think you'll see like all these
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Like they kind of all go
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This is trying not the place for
it but I saw on the Babylon Bee

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was like quarterback throws a
hail in Christ alone pass.

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That's great.
That's great.

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It was great.
I laughed at it.

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One of my Catholic friends
shared that and.

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That's so funny.
That's good.

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Well, let's let's turn to the
Roman Catholic view of just

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because.
Because again, same word,

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different underlying structure.
So now grace is infused through

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the sacrament.
So for what I understand, you

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are baptized at a young age and
that kind of like strips away

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everything and but then you're
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like Christ.
So their idea of justification

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is actually what we would call
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They'd switch those like the
verses that we would be like,

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this is the yeah, they almost
like flip flop them, yeah.

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And so their justification
through through grace is that

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over time you will become more
and more like Christ.

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And only if you're really like
Christ when you die will you

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enter heaven.
Yeah, that, no, that, that's

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good.
And you know, this would be, I

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would we get a lot of good
feedback.

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This is a good time for feedback
because I like you, You know, my

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understanding is this big
difference between imputation

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and infusion, like, like these
words mean different things.

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And like you said, like with the
baptism, you're a child, You're

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kind of infused with this grace,
and you're almost like, I don't

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know, Clink Slate's probably the
wrong word, but you're like, you

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know, in good standings, don't
mess it up, but you can, you

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know, build onto it kind of.
Exactly, righteousness is

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progressively formed.
We would call that

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sanctification, not
justification.

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So you know, your traditional
you probably if you grew up

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Protestant in in I would maybe a
quote UN quote good Protestant

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church.
You may have heard this phrase.

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You know you are initially saved
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Then as you live your life, you
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power of sin.
That's sanctification and then

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glorification.
You're saved from the presence

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of sins.
That'll preach that is like I

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feel like a lot like the church
like there's always like good

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like sayings like that.
You know what?

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I.
Mean.

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Yeah, Yeah.
And so we would say, you know,

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once you're saved, you should be
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That's the that's what we just
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your faith is working through
love.

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You're becoming more and more
like Christ, but that is not

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your justification before God.
That is your sanctification

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through the Spirit as you're as
you are walking and living your

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life.
Catholics also say your

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cooperation is requires, IE that
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the work that God is doing in
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about.
Yeah, that that's so important.

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Like everything, we're saying it
like, I know we're being at a

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horse, but it's like the
justification.

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Yes, yes, justification, IE what
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Mortal sin forfeits
justification and what we would

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say is all sin is mortal sin.
A constant would say a sin is.

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A sin is a sin.
Some sins are worse than others,

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but all sin breaks us from being
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And Christ would say you have to
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But so they have this venial
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And what we would say is that
that's a that is not a a good

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dichotomy.
Yeah, and I was, I was trying to

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look up, you know, can I get a
list of these mortal sins real

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quick?
Be nice.

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And they very probably wisely
say there's not necessarily a

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particular list of sins, but
it's a category of sin that

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would destroy a person's soul
that has to deal with is it a

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grave matter?
Is there full knowledge,

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deliberate consent?
So there's like, nuance to it.

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Like, do you know what you're
doing?

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Do you understand it?
How serious is it?

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You know, I think something's
automatically would fall into

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that.
They might say like, oh, you

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commit suicide or something.
That's like, you know, maybe

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under different pretenses.
It's different.

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I don't know.
But yeah, these these big time

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sins like murder and these kind
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All right.
And then the last point, final

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justification is contingent on
perseverance.

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And we would probably in some
sense agree from, but it's like,

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are you looking from man's
perspective or from God's

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perspective?
Because if you are saved, Paul

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would say in Galatians you're a
new creature, creature, all, all

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things are new and you've been
sealed with the Spirit.

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Ephesians would say there is a
down payment of the Spirit.

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He's a surety for us that we we
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So if you are actually saved,
regenerated, then you will

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persevere.
Not that you can't have a

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falling off at the end of your
life or something and then die,

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but you obviously you don't want
to.

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I'm not encouraging that.
But from God's point, either you

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are in Christ or not in Christ.
From man's point, we might say,

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yeah, this person fell off the
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That calls into question for us
whether he was ever saved to

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begin with.
Not that he was saved and he

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lost it.
No, that, that, that's good.

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So as we are kind of delineating
all these different things

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there, there's there's
definitely a difference in what

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it means to be justified in a
Protestant perspective and what

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it means to be justified under a
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Right.
And well, you know, if there's

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some Roman Catholics listen to
this and you want to argue that

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your way, that your
understanding is the right one,

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that's fine.
And and we, and I'm we may look

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at that and you know, interact
with it, but what we're we are

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trying to highlight that there
is a difference.

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There is a difference that
that's that's exactly right.

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So let's talk like, what's the
point?

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Why does this matter?
And like we've done so many

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times, we're going to look at
Galatians.

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Yeah.
Well, Paul gives us the argument

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in Galatians.
If we add 1 covenantal

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requirement, yeah, you've
nullified Christ.

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Severed.
Circumcision was not evil.

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Obedience to the law, it's not
evil.

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But making those a part of
justification, that is a fatal

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mistake.
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So if you want to maybe take
that paradigm and overlay it to

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Catholicism, we're looking at,
you know, this cooperation.

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We're looking at the sacraments
as being necessary.

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It's kind of like if
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enough to nullify grace, you
know, all these other

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stipulations.
So like, is that kind of the

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same thing?
Yep.

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All right.
So we kind of already said this,

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but it's in our notes, so it's
probably worth repeating.

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There are undoubtedly.
For sure true.

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Believers in the Roman Catholic
Church, right?

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Yeah, many are trusting Christ
and Seeley for their salvation.

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They may not understand the
official dogma, or they may not

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consistently hold to all that
Rome teaches.

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There's a, you know, there's
plenty of Protestants that they

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know the basics and after that
maybe not even know the basics.

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Great.
And that's different than

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someone who's like going just
going deep, like in everything,

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you know, So that, that, that's
a really good point.

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Yeah, but if you are a Roman
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And you're fully embracing the
Council of Trent that we just

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talked about.
Yet we cannot give a nod to

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that.
We can't say, oh, it's all good

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because of what the Bible says.
And obviously, the Bible for us

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is the ultimate authority.
It condemns justification by

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faith alone.
The Council of Trent does.

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And that seems a. 100% counter
to what we read in scripture

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places Sacramento mediation as
necessary for saving grace.

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It makes final justification
contingent upon works or

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cooperation.
That that that's good.

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I like, I like that you put this
in the notes, this Angel

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parallel because it it it does
make make make a lot of sense

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because if you look at the
history of Roman Catholicism and

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we'll kind of get into this more
even as we talk about things

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like Mary and these kind of
things that there is this

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development where something was
not true necessary.

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I mean, you know, I think they
probably say it's always been

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true.
It just wasn't, it's like

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something there wasn't like a
Harris or there was something

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that we needed to make it
clarified.

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But it is interesting.
Some things like posted as late

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as the 1900s are like very very
different than what you read

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where there is some sort of
development.

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Right.
And for me, for Michael Mott's

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take on things, there was, and
we're gonna talk about this in

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the next episode about
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But there was this line of the
church before it became quote UN

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quote, the Roman Catholic
Church.

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And there was this Pope that
said, no, I'm not, I'm not the

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Bishop of all bishops.
I'm just the Bishop of Rome.

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And then like 2 or 3 popes later
that I, Oh no, I'm the Bishop of

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all Bishop.
So like you said, there is this

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morphing, or at least it may be,
to put it charitably, like, like

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you said, more, further
revelation, more clarity in

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their eyes.
But Paul says forget about Pope,

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forget about another apostle.
Even if an Angel were to come

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and say something, it's going to
be wrong because it is counter

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to what Christ said and what He
taught.

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Now that, that, that, that's
always good to keep in mind.

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Something you'll probably hear
us saying a lot.

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So probably just important, you
know, as we say what we are

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saying, what we're not saying
specifically, we're not saying,

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man, the Catholics drop the ball
in eternity.

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We're just saying, hey, nice
job, thumbs up.

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Good.
Job on that.

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Good job on Christ's deity.
Yeah, yeah.

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There you go.
You know, you can't walk into a

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a Catholic Church or talk to a
when I see a Catholic patient,

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Christ is emphasized heavily.
And there's so many pictures and

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so many, like crucifixes
everywhere.

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And again, we said it a million
times, but we should say it a

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million more.
We're not saying Catholics

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cannot be saved.
Or are not saved.

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Or are not saved.
That's right.

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Yeah, necessarily.
That's exactly right.

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But.
If you fully understand the

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Trent Council, Trent and that's
what you're living by, then I

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would call into question like
you should, you should be

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concerned about about it.
Because what Paul says, we are

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saying that the Roman Catholic
system teaches a gospel that is

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counter to the gospel that we
see in the New Testament.

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And Paul says that Grace Plus
works.

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No longer grace.
Man, that that is good.

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I like it.
I think it's a good way to kind

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of start this series where we
would talk about the gospel

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today.
We're gonna talk about authority

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and then we'll kind of get into
Mary.

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Prayer to the Saints, these
other things, maybe.

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Yeah, Mary in prayer to the
Saints.

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I think it, I don't think it
would be something that would

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negate like we're talking about,
you know?

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Yeah.
So I guess I'm kind of

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stumbling.
So if we kind of step take a

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step back heresy, formal belief
that if you really believe it,

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then you could not be saved and
believe that.

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If you believe that, you know,
Jesus was just another man, we'd

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say that's a formal heresy
because there's no way he could

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save the sins of the world.
Then if you just get something

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wrong, we call that heterodox.
So I'm I would probably tend to

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put their the practices
revolving around Mary.

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It's not on the same level as
what we just talked about.

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It I mean it maybe.
I mean, depending, yeah.

452
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,160
Because there's a broad
spectrum, if you hold Mary in

453
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:24,080
high regard, if you think Mary
can help save you from your

454
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:27,160
sins, those are like two
different ends of the spectrum.

455
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:29,720
One of them might be like,
that's probably heterodox, like

456
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:33,000
I don't agree with it, but you
know, Mary's a Sinner just like

457
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,400
everyone else.
But if you think that she can

458
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:39,280
help save you from your sins,
and now you're pushing another

459
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:43,320
element into the.
Doctor Yeah, yeah, then you're.

460
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:46,880
Actually in this podcast, right.
But we will treat, you know, we

461
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,640
will kind of at least look at
the doctrine of Mary in prayer

462
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:53,080
to the Saints and why we think
that that they got it wrong

463
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:53,920
there too.
Yeah.

464
00:24:54,120 --> 00:24:56,440
Yeah, this is interesting.
This is not important to this

465
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:58,240
discussion.
It's a broader discussion.

466
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:00,840
What is it?
What's it called?

467
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,120
It's called I, I don't think
I've read the document, but it's

468
00:25:03,120 --> 00:25:07,640
like Catholics and Protestants
together or something like that.

469
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,840
No, I don't.
It was, it was maybe written, I

470
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:14,000
don't know, I might be making
this up like 80s or 90s, maybe

471
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,560
early 2000s, I don't know.
But it's it was an ecumenical

472
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:22,600
document that was more, I think
talking about social activities,

473
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,400
about coming together for things
like abortion, these kind of

474
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,080
things.
Actually, I'll, I'll read it in

475
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:30,560
case we want to tag it on to the
end as a practical application.

476
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:33,280
It's not, you know, as if it's
with this Colts, but it was a

477
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:38,000
document that people like John
MacArthur and RC Sproul felt

478
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,200
like, Hey, we cannot sign this
because it's almost like we're

479
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,200
endorsing it.
On the other side, people like

480
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:48,280
my man, I forget knowing that Ji
Packer said I could sign it and

481
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:50,040
sort of like Chuck Coulson was
like, I'm going to sign this.

482
00:25:50,120 --> 00:25:51,680
So it was a little bit like
divided.

483
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:54,480
And so it's it's interesting
like, and I think it was geared

484
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:56,840
more, but they felt John
MacArthur are still thought they

485
00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,200
were giving credence to certain
doctrinal beliefs.

486
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,920
But anyway, that might be A tag
on discussion about, you know, I

487
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:04,920
need to read this document when
it wasn't written in that.

488
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:06,320
Kind of thing.
But that'd be interesting

489
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,600
because we have stood shoulder
to shoulder with the percent of

490
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:09,960
the unborn.
That's right.

491
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:14,160
And some of the, you know, there
have been some cave in,

492
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:17,880
especially among political
Catholics on like sanctity of

493
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,000
marriage.
But your average Catholic has

494
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,200
been strong on the sanctity of
marriage.

495
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:26,400
Yeah, when you look at the
Catholic position, you know, on

496
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,800
things like abortion and
marriage stuff, it's like, I

497
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:32,080
mean, a. 100%.
Holding the line in a way a lot

498
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:34,440
of Protestant denominations are
not.

499
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:36,760
Yeah, right, Right.
Yeah, a lot, a lot better

500
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,120
overall track record than like
the Methodist Church.

501
00:26:39,360 --> 00:26:42,680
Yeah, very, very much so.
Well, I'm excited to continue to

502
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:47,560
explore this series.
And again, it's like correct, as

503
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,000
we said something wrong too.
It's good to like fine tune

504
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,160
this, you know, I'm sure every
if we get some feedback every

505
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,840
episode, we can speak to it a
little bit.

506
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:56,480
But I got this, you know.
But anyway.

507
00:26:56,640 --> 00:27:00,320
And we're happy to justify why
we believe what we believe.

508
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,360
But at the end, we're just
saying, hey, there's some big

509
00:27:03,360 --> 00:27:05,560
differences here.
What was the topic you were you

510
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:07,480
were trying to track down a
Catholic priest and it was not

511
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,000
super helpful.
Do you remember?

512
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,040
This Yes.
I sat down with a Catholic

513
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:16,960
priest, Jonathan Hyatt.
Oh yeah, just to long time ago,

514
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:22,120
Jonathan, he's still listening,
asked us to do an episode on

515
00:27:22,120 --> 00:27:28,400
whether the sacraments really
computed grace or what is it.

516
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:30,200
Oh yeah, yeah.
What were the?

517
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:31,600
What was?
That greatest?

518
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:36,000
Yeah, something like that.
And so we didn't, we were trying

519
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,680
to like not straw man 'cause
whenever you, I don't think, you

520
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:43,240
know, obviously it's our never
our intent to straw man.

521
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,440
In fact, I, I want to steal man.
Yeah, I want to give it the best

522
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,960
OP, you know, light that it
possibly can and then show that,

523
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:53,480
alright, this is still wrong.
But I sat down and he just would

524
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,080
not say, like the Catholic
priest I was with, he would not

525
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:59,080
say anyone was wrong on
anything.

526
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,320
He would just say this is what
we believe, but we're not going

527
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,600
to say that you're wrong.
Is that, is that in like Vatican

528
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:05,720
2 or is that one of their
account councils where they're

529
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,000
like, if you're sincere in your
belief, like you're cool?

530
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,160
I mean, it's probably not worded
like that, but it's something

531
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,240
like that.
I think that's the case.

532
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:15,760
This guy is also from South
America, Latin America.

533
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,520
And so I think what he, or
actually this guy was from

534
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:24,320
India, sorry, he's from India
and he's probably spent his

535
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:29,240
whole life defending against,
you know, both Muslims and

536
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,960
Hindus.
And so this inner, you know,

537
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:36,840
Protestant versus Catholic
discussion may not even be like

538
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,720
in his wheelhouse type of thing.
So I did, I did feel kind of

539
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,120
bad.
I, I, I was, I was just trying

540
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:43,520
to, I wasn't trying to put
anyone on the spot.

541
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:45,360
I was just trying to like, Hey,
what is the I?

542
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:49,440
I want to make sure that we
represent Catholicism well, but

543
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,760
it was hard to get him to make
some clear statements on stuff.

544
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:54,960
So yeah.
Can't, can't win them all.

545
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,000
Great.
Well, do we transition?

546
00:28:58,040 --> 00:28:59,800
I think so.
To the final take.

547
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:01,880
Yeah, man.
Final Countdown.

548
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,080
The final countdown Play some
music.

549
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:08,320
You know anything major on your
mind?

550
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:12,440
Michael HMIS.
No, is just in my taxes.

551
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:14,640
Did you?
Yeah, we're paying it a little

552
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:18,160
bit in to South Carolina, but we
are for some reason, I haven't

553
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,400
even figured out why.
We're getting a.

554
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:24,160
Lot back unexpectedly.
IRS, you might want to check up

555
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:25,000
on this guy.
Yeah.

556
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:28,880
I don't know.
We just maybe 3 or 4 years ago,

557
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:33,000
we started using used to do
online through H&R Block, I

558
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:34,360
believe.
Yeah, online thing.

559
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:41,680
And it was just, yeah, I mean,
and so I, I had done it all on

560
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,240
H&R Block.
And my friend that I was in the

561
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,760
Navy with, he's a tax preparer
and he'd gotten out of the Navy

562
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,560
and kind of went full time.
And he's like, hey, just send me

563
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,520
what you sent to the H&R Block
and I'll see if I can get you

564
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:55,360
more if you want to go if you
can.

565
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,960
And he got me more than what his
fee was.

566
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,360
So that's a win, but you know
what to say.

567
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,200
No money, no problems.
You know what I mean?

568
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,440
But hey, I'll take him.
Yeah, it's good.

569
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,000
I, I do my, I'm like one of
these guys, I try to do my taxes

570
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:16,120
as fast as I can and I take it
to some guy and it is amazing.

571
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:21,280
Like they're so efficient and
quick and somehow I'm, I'm

572
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:25,040
always like, I don't, I always
err on the side of caution.

573
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,600
They're like, oh, they, they
like know the rules so they can

574
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:29,520
like push it and they're like,
oh, you're totally inbounds

575
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:31,320
where I would be like, I don't
know if this counts or not.

576
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:32,600
And they're like, well, did you
do this?

577
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:34,000
X?
OK, no, it doesn't count or yes,

578
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:35,600
it does count.
They can just, they're just like

579
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:40,040
flying through this stuff and I,
we do this thing I this, I know

580
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:44,200
this is not good like really
good financial way to live, but

581
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:48,480
it's good for me.
I always like claim like 2

582
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,040
dependent like I, I always
expect a big return.

583
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:52,920
It's like mandatory savings.
I know it's like loaning to the

584
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:56,040
government for free but.
I just had this conversation.

585
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,080
Yeah, because it's not a math
equation.

586
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:02,320
If it were a pure math equation,
then you should try to get your

587
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:06,520
return down to nothing owe, or
maybe you slightly.

588
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:07,080
Owe.
That's right.

589
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:07,440
Yeah.
Yeah.

590
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,040
Yeah, because if you slightly
owe.

591
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,280
Then it's a negative interest.
Rate then it's a negative.

592
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:12,640
Yeah, it's.
Like you wanna, you would wanna

593
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:14,040
owe, Yeah.
But it's not a math equation.

594
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,960
It's about human behavior, and
if you've got money in your

595
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:18,520
hand, you're probably gonna
spend it.

596
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:22,240
Exactly.
So it's it's better, it's better

597
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:27,040
financially to put the money in
the government's hands and then

598
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:29,560
get a huge return because it's
like forced savings.

599
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:33,440
Exactly, that's that's my
mindset too. 0% interest, but.

600
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:35,280
That's right.
It's better than spending

601
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:36,480
everything.
It's better than spending it and

602
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,400
we use that money like, hey,
we're going to go to Maine in

603
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:40,720
the summer.
We're going to like that's going

604
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,280
to purchase our it's like it's
like built into our budget.

605
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,400
Like, you know, I, I have a
rough idea of where we're going

606
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,280
to be.
It's not make or break if it's a

607
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:50,920
little bit higher, a little bit
lower, but there you go, you

608
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:55,160
know, yeah, taxes, man, taxes
and pollen and the spring and

609
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,480
all the all the fun stuff.
Cool.

610
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:04,880
Lemonade stands.
Yeah, man, we ate a lot of Rice

611
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,840
Krispie treats for the last day.
Yeah, 'cause we had quite a few

612
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:09,560
left.
We were gonna do a lemonade

613
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:10,920
stand yesterday.
Oh yeah, yeah.

614
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,040
Chloe got her tires changed
yesterday.

615
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:14,160
Finally, that's.
Good.

616
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:15,560
Like what the heck.
Like.

617
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:21,080
So you can buy tires from
Amazon, have them delivered.

618
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:24,320
They have like partnerships with
different shops around the area,

619
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:25,720
at least in the greater
Charleston area.

620
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:30,200
So they deliver the tires to the
shop and it was like $20 per

621
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:36,440
tire to put on, very reasonable.
So I think for all four tires it

622
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:42,320
cost us right at what's 4 times
5 * 8400.

623
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,680
Dollars that's a steal for oh
that's like 1 tire.

624
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,880
Right, it was.
It was like $80 per tire plus

625
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,640
$80.00 for all four tires to be
installed.

626
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:52,480
That's a.
Deal.

627
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,080
It was like crazy deal.
And this tire is well rated and

628
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:56,400
stuff.
It's not a name brand.

629
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,760
But it's probably just as good.
Yeah, honestly, I got to look

630
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:01,760
into this.
'Cause she's just driving around

631
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,200
like she's not doing like cross
country trips or anything.

632
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,400
She's like, that's funny.
'Cause she's probably doing

633
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,600
cross country and fought like,
yeah, she's doing.

634
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:10,000
Cross country, but not cross.
But.

635
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:11,320
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's good.

636
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:14,720
She helps coach cross country,
so she's not.

637
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:16,440
Yeah, that's the joke there.
Yeah.

638
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,640
Yeah.
So anyways, we scheduled that at

639
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,840
3 thinking that the oyster roast
was like 5 to 7.

640
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,680
Oh yeah, yeah.
And the oyster roast was 3 to 5,

641
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,240
which then he said 3:00 to 6:00.
So we may have gotten, I don't

642
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:29,640
know if he extended it now or
not.

643
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:33,040
And so with all that we was
like, I don't think we're going

644
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:36,920
to do do the neighborhood
lemonade stand, but we might do

645
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:41,640
this this weekend.
Just price of retreats are not

646
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:43,840
hard to do and it's pretty
cheap.

647
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,520
I mean the most, I think
probably the most expensive

648
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:49,760
thing is your half a stick of
butter in a single batch.

649
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:53,000
People talk about the price of
oil and gas on it.

650
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,000
The stick, A stick of butter is
going up, man.

651
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:56,120
Inflation.
I'm just kidding.

652
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,400
I don't know.
That's great.

653
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:02,640
The After Church Bake sale 280.
Bucks.

654
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,320
I was like, we should, I mean, I
know that would get old fast,

655
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:08,360
but like our church should do
something like that once a

656
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:11,639
quarter because or, or something
'cause I'll be like I could user

657
00:34:11,639 --> 00:34:13,560
Rice could be treated after
school, after church and I would

658
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,199
have loved to.
There's an extra 20 bucks

659
00:34:16,199 --> 00:34:18,920
towards a good 'cause that it's
like I don't have the 20 bucks

660
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:20,040
anyway.
Like you know what I mean?

661
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,360
Like I know that can we can't
probably do it every week

662
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:23,520
without it'll get old and you do
too much.

663
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,520
But it's like that's like I like
having like a Simon roll before

664
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:28,040
the service or something.
You know I would.

665
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:29,520
I'd rather do that.
Than get to Starbucks.

666
00:34:29,679 --> 00:34:33,360
Had it before and after.
Walk in, get your coffee, get a

667
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:35,520
Simon roll.
I was thinking there's something

668
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,920
there where like for missions or
something, it's like, you know

669
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:42,840
how many people would love to
like John Peters brings his like

670
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:44,280
espresso machine and you know
what I mean?

671
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:46,639
It's like people, it's like.
You might wait a while though

672
00:34:46,639 --> 00:34:48,320
that.
That that's true.

673
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,120
Two people can get it.
Yeah, it's like that.

674
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:54,159
Yeah, nice.
But it's like, that's something

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that's like, man, I wouldn't, I
might as well do that then spend

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my money somewhere else that
doesn't.

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It's not going towards anything.
But yeah, great, great work.

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All right, until until next
time.

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Till next time.
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