End Times 101: Dispensational Premillennialism

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The world's coming to an end.
It is.

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It's the end of the world as we
know it.

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Yeah, and, and we're trying to
make it simple, you know,

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eschatology, End times.
We're in episode 4.

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Episode. 4 So we had our intro
and then we covered aw mil pre

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mil, which I'm still reeling.
Oh yeah, sorry, post mil.

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I'm still reeling over the fact
that I thought that.

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I don't know how long I thought
this.

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I thought that they had that's.
How simple we're making it.

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I know that Michael, his whole
world view's been shattered.

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I know some somehow I thought
they still had like a a literal

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millennial or a little reign of
Christ that happened like they

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ushered in and.
That it was early.

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Reign of Christ somehow.
You know, it's crazy.

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I mean, I think that goes to
show you too.

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Just like the limited
interaction with post meal, like

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I read about post meal, I don't
talk to a lot of people, like

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talk to some people that are all
mill much less better post meal,

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you know, where it's like you
don't have those interactions

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quite as much.
So it's a little bit like both

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eye opening and like shocking.
Upset how?

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Upset how?
Did I not know this, 'cause I

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always thought, you know, 'cause
they always talk about we are

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ushering in that's the reign of
Christ.

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So I just assumed that they
meant like the physical, literal

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reign of Christ.
That may or may not be 1000

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years.
Crazy.

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We're now taking a shift and in
this episode, the next episode,

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we're gonna hit the pre
millennial side of things.

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Pre Millennial.
Starting off with

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dispensationalism, which, you
know, I think it's gonna be

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exciting.
I think it's been like so

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ubiquitous and a lot of like,
especially on the Baptist side

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of things.
And then I, I do feel like

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lately in like the last like 10
years, it does get some unfair

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name calling.
I do.

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Yeah, I think that too.
But to be fair, when I was going

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through these notes, a lot of
the stuff I disagreed with

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because I'm not a first or
second wave dispensationalist.

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And so I I even put together
like, 'cause I was reading your

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historic premium.
I'm like Zach and I are almost

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exactly the same in what we
believe will happen.

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Yeah.
It's just some of the nuances

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that are different.
Yeah.

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So.
Well, let's jump into it.

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This one, dispensational
premillennialism, I feel like I

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think it's a challenge with all
of them.

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This might be the hardest one to
explain simply because of what

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you kind of alluded to, this
first wave, second wave, 3rd

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wave.
There's progressive, there's

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classic, there's some nuances
that's hard to explain.

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Yes.
And I don't think we can try to

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cover all that, but they're like
the very first wave of

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dispensationalists thought that
in eternity the Jews were an

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earthly people and separate.
They lived on an earthly plane

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and separate from the church
that would live on a heavenly

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plane and ne'er the two would
ever meet.

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And I was like, this is so
radically crazy.

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So strange parts of scripture
applied to Jews, parts to

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Christian, gentile Christians
and it's very confusing.

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And I, I, I talked to someone
years ago who was classic

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dispensationalist and they were
like, Zach, it's kind of like

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you've got a dad with two sons,
loves them both the same, but

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you treat treat them a little
differently, like they're

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different, they've got different
interests.

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So like, you know what I mean?
I was like, OK, that's not help

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me a ton.
It's kind of, it's weird.

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Yeah.
But anyway, let's try to get

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into it and try our best.
And for most listeners, are you

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about to say something?
I can tell I was just.

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Gonna say I I will try to not
color all of this with my

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progressive thoughts, although
they will be there because I

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think, well, I don't want to
steal any Thunder.

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There's a key tenet of
dispensationalism that I think

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ties all dispensationalists
together.

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That will cover.
But then post that there there

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are some some differences.
Great.

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And dispensationalism is, is one
of those things that if you grew

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up in the American church,
especially on the Baptist side

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who mentioned it, it's it's kind
of like baked into the fabric.

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Talking about the rapture.
You've read the Tim Lahaye Left

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Behind series chart after chart
after chart.

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I I read like 11 or 12 of those
books.

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They were and they were well
written.

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I feel like I've read like a
kids version of it and I was

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like going through them all.
I.

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Finally got to the point where I
was like, are they really trying

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to do something or just make a
lot of money?

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So I was just like, I, I stopped
out, you know?

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And, and, and so it's one of
those things I think for a lot

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of Christians, certainly at
least 10/20/25 years ago, it was

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something I think that was
almost assumed that these other,

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there was no other options
Orthodox.

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I mean, there were, but it's
like, it's like so in the

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culture.
Right, like to to say that you

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were pre meal, but post Trib boy
was like that was a huge deal

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like that Like oh, I no, I still
believe Jesus is going to have a

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millennial reign.
I just think it's post Trib.

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It's like you may not believe
mindset.

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Yeah, it was rocking the boat.
So, so let's let's zoom out.

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We've kind of talked about this
before, but if you're focused on

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that pre millennial aspect,
we're thinking Jesus returns

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pre, everything's in reference
to Christ before the Millennium.

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And then dispensational, you
might have better ways to

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describe this talk about all
these dispensations and the way

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God works.
And this is also, I think a part

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of confusion.
I feel like some people say

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there's a certain amount of
dispensations versus a certain

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amount of dispensations.
I've heard you know different

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things that way.
Yeah, like how many

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dispensations were there?
Yeah, Yeah, exactly.

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Like those different dice
differently.

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They're, they're closely tied to
the covenant.

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The word dispensation really
just means a managerial style.

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So you like assume that you were
had a startup company, you might

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be very aggressive upfront
because you got some capital

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capital venture, you know,
funding in there.

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And then if the economy turned
down, you might change your

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managerial style.
So you could, I think it's, you

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know, it's consistent,
believable to have like one

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person at the helm, like in this
case, God that might have

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different managerial styles
depending on what he's trying to

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accomplish through salvation
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But that's all dispensation
means is God relates to his

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people and the world at large
differently depending on the

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time, you know, the the what
he's trying to accomplish in

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that in that time frame.
And like I said, closely coupled

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to whatever the current covenant
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I know I feel like, and maybe
This is why I was saying that I

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feel like a lot of probably
creates more confusion.

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A lot of, you know, less
disgruntled people, if they

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would have just called it
covenant soul for millennialism,

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then it's then it's a whole
different ball game, Right.

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Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, 'cause I, when

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I studied this, I was like, oh,
'cause you know, I, I grew up in

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that tradition, so I didn't
know.

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No one said dispensational when
I was growing.

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Up that just was not.
Mentioned it was just like this

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is what we.
Pre meal, yeah, yeah.

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And so it wasn't until we came
to CBC and like, well, we're

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dispensational pre meal.
Like, what does that mean?

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Well, Israel has a place and
like, oh, that's all the things

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I believe.
Well, well, you're, you're good.

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And so I didn't even know that
dispensational.

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So when I heard people saying
like covenant theology, like

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well, how do the covenant
theology people value the

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covenants more than
dispensational?

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And I'm like, well, they, they
don't dispensational.

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People in a way, yeah, totally.
And then probably one of the

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most important distinctions we
have here is that this is

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between Israel and the church.
You kind of alluded to that,

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this difference and you know,
that can be a huge chasm that

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can be not quite as a big chasm
depends on what you're talking

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to a certain period in time or
like for all of history, all

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these different things.
But something to keep in mind as

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you know, really at least at the
root of that system that started

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and maybe it looks a little bit
different, you know, but that is

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a hallmark.
That is a hallmark and your

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first wave dispensationalists
are going to have a huge break

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between Israel and the church
just near the two shall ever

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meet for me, I would you know,
so these definitions, as you

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know would be how I define it.
The church is all New Testament

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believers, Jews and Gentiles
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So it doesn't matter.
Another word for church would be

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spiritual Israel.
It's, you know, most of the

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language that is applied to the
church.

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It's the Jews who are saved plus
the Gentiles who are grafted in,

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to borrow Paul's language in
Romans 10 and 11, Israel could

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mean, you know, ethnic or
national descendants of Abraham

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if it's not specifically said
spiritual Israel.

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So we do have those distinctions
because we think that there are

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covenants that God has promised
that he is still going to

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fulfill in a literal age of the
earth, not necessarily like

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spiritually or you know, in the
eschaton type of stuff.

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I I think that's good.
They're just definitions are

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good because I think if you
would ask someone who would say

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they're, you know, into
covenantal theology and all

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mill, they would be like your
definition Church is all New

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Testament believers.
They would be like Adam and Eve.

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That's when the church started
or, or you know, Genesis 315

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beginning of the church.
Like like some of these are some

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also like hallmarks that people
are talking about that might be

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like, oh, they're probably not
Presbyterian, be more Baptist.

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You kind of see some of these
giveaways with how they talk and

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and use their terms.
Yeah, 'cause I think a prosmo

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would say they, they may, they
would say there's a covenant of

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works.
Basically, if you can maintain

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your salvation and the the
garden.

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Of Eden Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah.

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'Cause you haven't sinned yet.
So that's the covenant of works.

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Just keep being good.
And then when they sin, you have

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the proto evangelium, you know
the what that's given to Eve.

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And they would say that starts
in the covenant of grace, as far

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as I understand the that system.
Yeah, yeah.

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And I, I, I think you're right.
So these terms carry weight and

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mean different things.
Let's dive into some of the key

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scriptures.
We, we've almost touched on this

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one every single time it's
Revelation 20 only place in

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scripture that talks about the
Millennium.

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And there's a few, you know, big
ticket items that happen in this

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passage.
You want to go through those,

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Michael?
Yeah, so we see Satan being

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bound, and we're told that he
can no longer deceive the

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nations.
It's like, what's that mean?

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How strict or broad is that?
And, and it's I, I think most

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people, especially if you're of
the stripe, would say there are

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nations definitely being
deceived today.

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So it's hard for us to imagine
that this has been fulfilled,

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yet we would see this still as a
future event.

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The Saints will reign with
Christ.

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That's what we're told.
And the thousand years is going

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to be there.
So it's it's there mentioned a

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couple times.
So we would say that this that

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Revelation 20 speaks of a future
earthly reign of Christ sitting

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on the seat of David, filling
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That there you go.
And also another important

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component is this 70 weeks of
Daniel.

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Again, I think I don't like
this.

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We're going to explain it simply
because I think there are

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nuances and some people take
like this view versus that view

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and it gets kind of confusing.
But 70 weeks And for all those

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people that say
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literal, here's one place where
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hey, we can be, you know.
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came with these notes and I
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everything very literally.
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that that that's the case, but
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and I'm sure other folks do the
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We try to read it for what the

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original author and the audience
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like what did this mean in the
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But like you said, the 70 weeks
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there were 69 of those weeks.
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There were 69 of those from a
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temple to the Palm Sunday when
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crucified.
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well, what about Daniel's last
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stopped during the age of the
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Gentiles.
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will kick off with the great
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to break the tribulation into
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which is the 1st 3 1/2 years and
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the last 3 1/2 years.
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support for this.
Romans 11/25 says, talks about a

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partial hardening has happened
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the Gentiles come in.
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the Gentiles coming in as the
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Yeah, it would be interesting to
maybe maybe we'll never there's

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but to do a 70 weeks of Daniel
like podcast and go through the

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different things because it is
that passage I think is

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confusing.
Is it talking about the anointed

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one or it's talking about like
the one that's gonna cut against

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the it's like some of the
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It's it's very fascinating and
you know, you can read 100

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different things about it, but
that but you explained it well

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and that's important.
You'll you'll hear that a lot

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more being emphasized in a
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than like awe mill or post mill.
You know, you're not gonna hear

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that quite quite as much.
Another thing that you will come

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dispensationalism.
The classic view has the rapture

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as the secret coming of Christ.
I don't know if you, I grew up

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in a church all about the
rapture and you're always kind

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of like, like you wake up in the
morning and you see like clothes

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on the ground like, oh, did my
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Was he raptured?
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like it's, you know, these kind
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About that is exactly the the
culture that we grew up with and

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you know, the idea is that you
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That distinction is so
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It's a secret return of Christ.
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last week where God renews his
close action with Israel and he

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completes, you know, that that
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other ones they might say there
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secret rapture.
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same as Christ returning versus
like a secret rapture before

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Christ's returns, if that makes
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And to be fair there, I think
based on at least my this is

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just from Michael Ma's
experience growing up and also

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being going from my church in
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I think there are a growing
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that would be post Trib.
Yeah, that's probably good.

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That's good.
So that would be me.

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That would be like my youth
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I think some.
So then we would see very

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similar to, you know, we would
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resurrection being
simultaneously like, you know, a

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premium or an AMIL would see
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Good, good clarification there.
There's there is a lot of

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developments and like Michael is
saying, like you read some of

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the like the more recent stuff,
stuff on progressive

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dispensationalism and it's not
that really much different.

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A lot of these things are kind
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I think they are flattening out
from the big differences like of

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the 1950s.
There are some texts that I'd

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like to quickly go over to
support my view that the Rapture

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and the resurrection are the
same event.

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Great meaning a breakaway from
like classic dispensationalism.

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So you would you would call
yourself a dispensationalist

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just based on we'll get like
there is some distinction.

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The main, so I think the main
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dispensationalist a
dispensationalist is that we

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believe that the land promises
given.

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To Abraham.
Oh yeah.

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And the kingship promises given
to David will be fully realized

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during a literal 1000 year plus
100,000.

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Plus, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah.

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It could be 100,000 years.
I don't.

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Know.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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There will be a literal reign of
Christ on the.

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Earth, and it will be.
He will be like where Jerusalem

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is right now, correct?
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Will not shift or be.
Different.

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So Jesus reigns as the king of
the earth, but he's a Jew,

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right?
Jesus Jewish, but the Gentiles

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and the Israelites who are part
of the church, we're all part of

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his reign.
And then we, as the Saints, will

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judge with with him.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And I don't think that's too
different than even.

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I think we'll get into it more.
I think historic premium would

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be OK if it was like the Kingdom
looked a little different and it

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was like bigger than Jerusalem
or something like that or is

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like more grand or something.
Like that.

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So what?
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And so maybe this this is like
where semantics matter, Like you

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would say that Trump reigns.
OK.

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Yeah, yeah.
From DC, His DC is the capital.

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But he spent a lot of time Mara
Lago on the golf course or

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whatever.
Yeah, but his reign covers all

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of America, right?
So that's the same like.

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So Christ reign.
Covers the whole globe, but the

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capital is in Jerusalem.
That's that's the distinction

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that we had made.
All right, so some key texts

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first.
That's 413 through 18.

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We're not gonna read all these,
but you'll see the Lord

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descends, there's a loud
command, a trumpet, the dead

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rise, delivering or living are
caught up in the air, happens in

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a twinkling of an eye.
So shall we ever be with the

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Lord, and so shall we be
changed, right?

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And, and I 'cause I think this
is a also a primary text people

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would do to support the rapture,
which I think the response is,

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it doesn't seem that secret with
the loud trumpet and the voice

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of an Archangel.
You're like, is that secret or

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not?
I don't know, you know, But in a

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way you can see where they get
like thief in the night.

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Like it comes unexpectedly but
there is like proclamation.

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It comes unexpectedly for those
who have not read Matthew 24

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and. 25, yeah. 1st Corinthians
1550 through 40 you'll see an

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event where all are changed is
the last trumpet.

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The dead arise, and there's a
living trance are transformed.

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The perishable put on
imperishable, the mortal put on

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immortality.
Matthew 2430 through 31, The Son

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of Man returns in glory.
A trumpet sounds, the elect are

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gathered.
John 528 through 29 and Daniel

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12/2 both talk about a general
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So all of these events, they are
public.

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There's an audible like you were
mentioning, there's a

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resurrection of the dead,
there's a transformation of the

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living.
There's a gathering of

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believers.
There's a visible return of

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Christ.
The last trumpet suggests

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finality, not like a preliminary
stage.

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Now that that's good and you
know, these texts together,

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which would be in line with
really all the other systems we

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we've taught on one unified
event, resurrection of the dead,

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transformation of the living,
gathering belly, return of

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Christ, where if you say rapture
in these other systems, you just

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don't mean the secret rapture.
The only time you would ever

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mean that would be in some parts
of dispensationalism.

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But like we're mentioning here,
not all schools of

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dispensationalism.
Yeah, and I I to be fair, most,

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I would say the largest
percentage of dispensationalists

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are probably still pre Trib
rapture.

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So I am the the Unicorn among
the the the pre mill

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dispensation list.
I grant that.

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But yeah, yeah, I think the
unicorns are growing in.

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Number and to be fair, yeah, not
to paint everyone just totally

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in in that camp.
So we mentioned it.

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Resurrection equals this rapture
view Christ's returns visibly

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dead and living gathered all
receive resurrection bodies.

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Believers return with Christ.
We read many texts and you

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mentioned Christ's range from
Jerusalem and believers will

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reign with him.
Yeah, for the Lord, First

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Thessalonians 5:00 we we see
this sudden judgment, clear

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separation.
It's again kind of connected

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with with these different things
as this big, big event.

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Yeah, and this is one of the
reasons why I would split from

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some of your other pre meal
dispies is because I've read

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both first thess and 2nd thess.
I mean, meaning to get to the

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second one and it's just like I
never got there.

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And it's like, to me, it's like
it's clear that Paul says, hey,

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some of you've already heard
that the day the Lord has come,

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but before the day the Lord ever
comes, the man of lawlessness is

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going to be set up.
So whatever that means, you

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know, I take that to be a
literal Antichrist that is going

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to come onto the scene.
Yeah, it's also tricky too.

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We should look this up, you
know, how many times like the

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word Antichrist is in Scripture?
Not as many as you think.

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I mean, here it's like man of
lawlessness, which people

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connect with Antichrist, you
know, you know, that kind of

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thing.
But it is interesting.

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It's really, it's same thing
with Millennium.

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It's like, not that much.
You got to do something with it,

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but it's, you know, yeah.
It's not that much.

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So I would just say that yes, I
do believe that the rapture

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resurrection are the same thing,
and they occur after after those

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things.
All right, let's talk some more

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key terms to become a rapture,
tribulation, this period of

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intense judgment often linked
with Daniel 9.

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This is another area that
there's some variance, but in

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most of the systems that we're
going to talk about, you know,

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believers are going to go
through suffering and

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tribulation.
Dispensationalism is kind of

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unique in that believers like
not your stripe, but your

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particular are like escape the
judgement.

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That's like a thing a benefit of
being.

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It's when you separate them,
they kind of get out of that

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intense, you know, tribulation
or maybe all of it too.

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Some people aren't mid trips on
our pre trips.

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Yeah, and I remember my church
just haven't most of the folks

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having a very laissez faire
attitude towards tribulation.

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We're not going to be there.
We're going to escape it.

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And then when I would, you know,
me and the other guy were like,

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no, I don't know that that's the
case.

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Why don't you believe that?
Like there's this visible

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palpable fear on their face that
we're going to have to go

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through tribulation.
Like, but the church has gone

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through tribulation the whole
time and we could go through

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really, really bad time and it
not be the great tribulation.

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So that's right.
We should be prepared because

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you know, Jesus says in the
upper room discourse in this

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world, you're going to have
tribulation.

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Take heart of I've overcome the
world.

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So no matter what you believe,
you should be ready to suffer

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for Christ.
So we have tribulation, we have

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Millennium, there's 1000 year
reign and then this Israel

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versus church distinction.
This is also painting with A

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broad brush that maybe is unfair
dispensationalist.

450
00:23:07,120 --> 00:23:10,760
They'll often be like critiqued
as like Israel could do no

451
00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:12,200
wrong.
We're supporting Israel at all

452
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:15,280
costs because you know, if we
bless Israel.

453
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:20,240
Recent news that's has come up.
And so I'll just say as a

454
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:24,040
dispensationalist, I, I don't
think that the current national

455
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:28,520
Israel is necessarily the Israel
that has, you know, was that

456
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:29,760
Abraham?
Was that not?

457
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:33,760
Abraham, Israel.
And I'm not saying that that

458
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:37,960
they can do no wrong in the same
breath, I don't want, like I've

459
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,320
said this, I don't want America
to be the country judging them.

460
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:41,880
Let some other country judge
them.

461
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,960
Just, you know, just to be safe,
'cause there have been countries

462
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:49,320
in the past God has raised up to
judge Israel and then it's not

463
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,000
good for.
Them not a good track record.

464
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:57,640
I think if you know, you want to
be super simplistic, it's like,

465
00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:02,880
you know, you've seen clips of
who, who, who's the guy, nice

466
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:06,920
guy politician, who's like, not
Marco Rubio.

467
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:08,720
Ted Cruz.
Me.

468
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:10,200
I don't know.
It was Ted Cruz.

469
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,080
I can't remember.
I'm getting, I think it might

470
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,720
have been Ted Cruz.
Keep naming people.

471
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,960
I don't know why I'm blanking,
but like in an interview being

472
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:21,120
like my whole foreign policy
with Israel's based on Genesis

473
00:24:21,120 --> 00:24:22,400
15 or whatever.
You know what I mean?

474
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,080
You're talking about the former
governor of Arkansas, I think

475
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,040
maybe.
But it's like some, some of

476
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:30,640
that, like wholesale stuff is
wrapped up and I think it comes

477
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:32,800
from a good place.
I would say it's a wrong place,

478
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,680
but it's like, you know, it's
one of those one of those

479
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:37,320
things.
I, I all that to say, I think

480
00:24:37,360 --> 00:24:40,720
Israel versus church has made a
much bigger deal in

481
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,800
dispensational framework versus
these these other ones.

482
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,520
Yeah, Mike Huckabee.
My probably Mike Huckabee's

483
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:48,400
probably who I was thinking of.
I I, I can't remember exactly,

484
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:50,760
but it's like whole, it's kind
of funny, like.

485
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:53,120
'Cause his daughter is the
current governor.

486
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,640
Hey, there you go.
So a simple timeline.

487
00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:00,080
We have the church age.
We are currently in the church

488
00:25:00,120 --> 00:25:05,560
age now Christ's return,
resurrection, rapture.

489
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,840
We've got a lot of things.
How much you you explain the

490
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:12,120
timeline cause where some people
be like the rapture happens.

491
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:13,680
Well, I'd say there's two
there's.

492
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:15,600
Let's talk about the classic
timeline, OK?

493
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:17,760
Let's do it.
Classic timeline is 'cause this

494
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,360
is not necessarily it is
straight, which is why you're

495
00:25:20,360 --> 00:25:24,800
struggling.
The church age, the rapture, the

496
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:31,080
tribulation, then the visible,
you know, public return of

497
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,040
Christ.
So we are, this is like Christ's

498
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:38,760
return to A, Christ's return to
B, and then the millennial

499
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:42,520
Kingdom.
And then Satan is loosed and

500
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:47,560
there's the final judgement.
For someone like me who believes

501
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:53,520
rapture equals resurrection, IE
the the post Trib church age,

502
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:57,480
tribulation, rapture,
resurrection.

503
00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,680
We rise in the air, we meet
Christ, we come right back down

504
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,720
with him.
He sets things to write.

505
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:07,200
He rules for a long time.
There you go.

506
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,720
And then there Satan is
released, his final judgement.

507
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:15,480
And then the eschaton.
There you go historical

508
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,160
developments.
If you've heard of John Nelson

509
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:21,040
Darby, you know, very, you know,
instrumental.

510
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:24,160
You think of the Schofields
reference Bible, the study Bible

511
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,000
that really did spread like
wildfire.

512
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:29,560
And then you know, more as
things progress.

513
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:33,160
You've got Ryrie, John
MacArthur, probably like most

514
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,360
famously here and and something
I'm.

515
00:26:35,360 --> 00:26:38,200
Sure, like I was thinking I was
going to add some I forgot but

516
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:40,440
Coho would be right in line with
me.

517
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:47,400
He's a post Trib, so pre mill, a
dispensationalist.

518
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:51,600
So I, we, I, I share a lot of
views with Coho, not just I feel

519
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:53,760
like that doesn't.
Talk that much?

520
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:54,320
Yeah, that's.
Good.

521
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:56,800
Like David Jeremiah.
Oh yeah, David.

522
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:57,520
Jeremiah.
That's right.

523
00:26:57,600 --> 00:26:58,240
Yep.
Yep.

524
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,600
Who's that guy who was a pastor?
Charles Stanley.

525
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:02,640
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So there's.

526
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:06,600
There's probably a lot in the
South of your normal Baptist.

527
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,440
Times I think that.
Would hold the this some version

528
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:12,920
of these views?
And I'll say this for his, I was

529
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:16,320
going to say this for historic
premium, but I think it falls in

530
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,280
line with dispensationalism as
well.

531
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:22,720
It's more, I think, and this
might be prejudice against the

532
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:24,240
other views.
So it's great.

533
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:28,480
It'll be good.
I think it's more maybe not

534
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,960
maybe expository driven rather
than system driven.

535
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,040
Where we take text, we deal with
it.

536
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:36,600
It seems to be the
straightforward reading of the

537
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,560
text versus a system.
They probably would have some

538
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,560
qualms with that, obviously, but
I I think it's more like you

539
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,840
think of a John MacArthur, a
great expositor and you see like

540
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,840
you look, maybe things don't the
system doesn't make as much

541
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,240
sense, but the text he's just
like pulling apart the.

542
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:52,200
Text.
What does the text?

543
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:53,200
Say correct?
Yeah, I would.

544
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:54,840
Say that's that's generally the
case.

545
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:59,520
Now all of us can get bent by
our system because read

546
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,800
MacArthur's stuff on alcohol and
you're like, bro, that that is

547
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:04,560
not what the scripture is saying
here.

548
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,000
So we can all get get hemmed in.
Yeah.

549
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:10,720
So why would people find this
view compelling?

550
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:14,480
Well, it seeks to look at
prophecy according to what the

551
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,960
author was trying to say.
What you were just saying I

552
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:19,080
think.
Straightforward reading.

553
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:20,560
It seems like the easiest,
plainest reading.

554
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:22,800
It takes God's promises to
Israel seriously.

555
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:26,840
It doesn't just, you know,
spiritualize them or algorize

556
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:28,600
them.
That's like usually the critique

557
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,240
of something like Amil.
It provides a very structured

558
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,000
framework.
You see the charts and charts

559
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,680
and charts and you're like, this
is like, OK, we've got all these

560
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:37,200
things.
And it does encourage what I

561
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,320
think the Bible encourages and
vigilance and readiness and the

562
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,640
be on the lookout.
I think that's negative with

563
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,720
this view too.
Some people can be like looking

564
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,400
for the boogeyman under every
corner.

565
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:50,960
It's like all these views,
there's pros and cons, you know,

566
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:55,720
how much are you gonna?
So anyway, I think that that

567
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:59,000
those are the compelling side
side of things when it comes to

568
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:04,640
dispensationalism.
Yep, some challenges, Israel

569
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:08,880
church distinction especially I
think in your first and 2nd

570
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,880
wave, it doesn't really make
sense of like passages like

571
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:17,200
where Paul says there's no Jew,
there's no greed, there's no

572
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:20,560
slaver free, you know, So you're
like, well, but there is in this

573
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,120
system, there's a huge
difference and in what you're

574
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,920
doing.
And I think the criticism of a

575
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:31,640
system like this would be like,
you know, the pejorative thing

576
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,040
to say about dispensationalist
would just say like, oh, you

577
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:37,400
think that the church is Plan B,
that like Israel was plan A and

578
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,840
this is like a this is like just
like a parenthesis.

579
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:42,600
And they might say like.
That's not pejorative.

580
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:46,280
All that was preached when I was
from the pulpit, the church ages

581
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,080
of parentheses and God's plan
with Israel.

582
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:53,200
So you would say that to, you
know, you're probably second

583
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,080
wave dis bees and they would be
like that's not pejorative at

584
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:56,960
all.
That's what I believe.

585
00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,360
And from their side of things,
they might be like, oh, you

586
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,400
guys, this is replacement
theology.

587
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:02,760
You're just replacing
everything.

588
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:04,680
And so they're, you know, that
kind of thing.

589
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:07,880
So this distinction can be a
problem.

590
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:11,760
Internal diversity disagreement
on rapture timing as we we

591
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:15,160
discussed you know, I think we.
Didn't even talk about mid to

592
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:15,840
mid.
Trim.

593
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:24,080
Which I think comes from that
that Mark 2425 passage where it

594
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,440
says except for some of the
elect.

595
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:27,320
He.
He.

596
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,840
Cuts the day short.
So I think some people read into

597
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,600
that a little little more so
they get to the mid Trib.

598
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,240
Millennium.
Stephen Brinson's Mid Trib What

599
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:37,880
do you say Stephen Brinson is Oh
is.

600
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:39,280
He Oh yeah, we should in the
home groups.

601
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,000
We'll we'll break it down
Millennium questions.

602
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,120
We'll probably hit these more on
the historical premium.

603
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:45,840
It's like baked into some of my
notes because there are some

604
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:49,520
like weird things that happened
that seem out of place but.

605
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:53,760
Yeah, 'cause when I was looking
through your notes and it had

606
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,400
some other concerns, this one
wasn't even in there.

607
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,520
And I was like, I, I think the
biggest problem with my own

608
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,520
view, the thing that that
doesn't make sense to me about

609
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,600
my own view, and I'm like, this
is where I don't understand how

610
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:11,280
it works, is that if the rapture
equals resurrection and that

611
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:16,800
happens before 1000 year reign
for a long, long reign, what

612
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:18,680
about people who get saved
during the millennial reign?

613
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:20,560
Yeah, it's when do they get
their new bodies?

614
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:24,400
It's confusing, yeah.
Is there a rapture resurrection

615
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:28,560
2A and 2B So, so the the omil
position does make that cleaner.

616
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,200
Yep.
You just go right into the, the

617
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,920
spiritual, you know, reign of
Christ and there is, there's

618
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,560
there is no one that's getting
saved after he returns.

619
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:40,400
Yep, that's totally right.
That leads into the next

620
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,920
weaknesses, the complexity.
It is a little bit like all

621
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,400
these different nuances.
It's just short and sweet with

622
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,960
with omil.
And then historically big

623
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:52,000
criticism of the classic
dispensational movement is it's

624
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:56,080
like you start seeing it maybe
in like the 1800s, Don't see a

625
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:58,640
lot of it in the don't see, you
know, reformation, that kind of

626
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:00,280
thing.
It's kind of like, obviously

627
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,040
they would say we're recovering
this from long time ago, just

628
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:05,160
like, just like, you know, the
Reformation's.

629
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,360
Recovering these principles.
Yeah, it it, it.

630
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:09,560
Yeah, Straight the bloodline.
Yeah.

631
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,800
There you go.
So anyway, that's good.

632
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:14,560
I thought we navigated through
it.

633
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:16,760
It could be a lot crazier, so
not bad.

634
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:18,480
Yeah.
And so, you know, I've said this

635
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,840
before, no systems perfect.
Like I think each system has the

636
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:25,680
little loose ends that don't
really make sense of what we're

637
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:27,760
reading, but we're trying to do
the best.

638
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:32,120
And I think it really is kind of
going back to the intro podcast

639
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,960
we had on this where, you know,
you're looking at the mountains.

640
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,080
What's the timing is?
Is there a gap between this

641
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,880
mountain and that next mountain?
You know, where do we land in

642
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:42,000
that already?
Not yet.

643
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:44,000
Oh, I love it.
That's good.

644
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,360
Do we dare transition to the
final take?

645
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,280
I think so.
Nice.

646
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:51,880
Yeah.
Spring break, man, what's going

647
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:52,920
on?
Who?

648
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:58,240
Well, we mentioned Top Golf.
You've gone a couple times. 3 *

649
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:02,720
15 times I've been, I've been
alive when it first opened one a

650
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:04,240
lot.
Just you know, just it, it's

651
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:05,880
involves you if you go during
the middle of the day or

652
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:07,840
something, it's not too bad.
You know they get you with like

653
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:12,080
the surge pricing.
Yeah, man, I was trying to get

654
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,160
us to go during the day, but I
don't think.

655
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:15,880
It's Chloe and Kerris didn't
want you to.

656
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:19,200
Yeah, I think it actually was
Chloe, 'cause it was like, can

657
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,760
we not go in the middle of the
day and like, well, Lydia now

658
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:26,440
works until 3:00 on Thursday.
Carry on the family business.

659
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,080
Let's say again.
She she's staying in the family

660
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,040
business of Old Navy.
Yeah, it's great.

661
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,360
That's like, I love it.
It just ever.

662
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,880
Phoebe is destined for this.
She cannot change her fate.

663
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:37,000
That's right.
That's right.

664
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:41,160
But so I think it's going to be
Friday afternoon.

665
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:42,480
I'm like that's going to be the
worst.

666
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,240
It's going to be the worst.
So we'll see if we can.

667
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:47,240
Make a.
Little different time.

668
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:51,800
We got a lot of Top Golf, always
a good time.

669
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,920
Yeah.
So when this airs, we may or may

670
00:33:55,920 --> 00:34:01,480
not still have this, but just
yesterday we added something to

671
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:05,680
our mattress.
We added a wedge to like kind of

672
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:09,120
slightly elevate your your head
and just because I was having a

673
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:13,480
little bit of nightly reflux and
Jill, she loves the way.

674
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:14,800
Oh.
Yeah.

675
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,480
She's like, this is the best
thing, man.

676
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:19,679
We've, you know, ever.
Wow.

677
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:20,760
Ever.
Yeah.

678
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:22,320
Yeah, that's pretty.
Good.

679
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:26,280
Yeah, Yeah.
Nice you have you, have you

680
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:28,040
noticed a difference?
Well, in your sleep.

681
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:29,719
Last night was her first night
to sleep on it.

682
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,120
I, I slept fine.
Jill said she did not sleep

683
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:33,639
well, so.
She'll get used to it.

684
00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:35,360
She'll learn to love it, you
know?

685
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:37,000
Yeah, it's great.
Just give it some time.

686
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:39,080
How much how how big is the
wedge?

687
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:44,120
Is slight. 7 inches, so it's 7
inches at the tall end.

688
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:45,600
And then it goes down to
basically nothing.

689
00:34:45,679 --> 00:34:49,080
And basically just, you know,
the idea is you don't want to

690
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,960
just bend at the waist because
that's bad for your back and it

691
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:55,639
can actually like put pressure
on your stomach and stuff and

692
00:34:55,639 --> 00:34:57,880
make reflux worse.
But yeah.

693
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:01,720
And so we'll see.
And I, I do want to, this is

694
00:35:01,720 --> 00:35:06,880
kind of out of, I don't know
that we addressed this or not.

695
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:10,280
Oh boy, let's but we had a lot
of comments too from two

696
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:13,280
different videos when we did the
Roman Catholic stuff.

697
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,640
Yeah, and we were talking and
you were like, fight me.

698
00:35:15,720 --> 00:35:17,720
Like fight me in the back alley.
Let's Duke it out.

699
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:19,760
There are two different
commenters that basically said

700
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,080
as soon as you said Roman
Catholic, I knew you didn't know

701
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:26,080
what you're talking about,
'cause there's 24 churches in

702
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:29,240
the Catholic Church and the
Roman Catholic is only one of

703
00:35:29,240 --> 00:35:32,200
them.
So your whole podcast is just

704
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:33,640
aimed at.
We should dump that out.

705
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,960
What about the other 23 churches
within the Catholic Church?

706
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:38,960
I'm like, that's what you're
going.

707
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:42,320
To push back, that sounds like a
24 part series coming up next.

708
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:47,480
I'm like, and I did some
searches and it's like every

709
00:35:47,720 --> 00:35:51,240
maybe it's all Protestants that
do it, but all of us refer to

710
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:53,800
the Catholic Church as the Roman
cause.

711
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,400
Guess where it's headed Up.
Yeah, it seems like Rome.

712
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:57,960
Rome.
I feel like that's an important

713
00:35:57,960 --> 00:35:59,920
part of the Vatican.
Catholic yeah, yeah, it seems

714
00:35:59,920 --> 00:36:01,400
like dude.
Vatican.

715
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:02,680
This is probably not great to
say.

716
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,520
I I there's like no rules on the
Vatican, right?

717
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,240
Like they're like, they're
sovereign, autonomous.

718
00:36:08,240 --> 00:36:09,360
They do whatever they want,
right?

719
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:10,240
Yeah.
I think they, yeah.

720
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,400
Man, yeah, their own.
Little I would, I've never, I've

721
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,920
never been to Vatican City, but
I would love to go just to like

722
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,720
see all the, you know,
everything's like so fancy and,

723
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,640
you know, crazy, all this stuff.
Sing a mighty fortress there,

724
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:24,240
there you.
Go.

725
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:26,840
That's one of their favorite
hymns.

726
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,960
Probably love that one.
Love that one that that is

727
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:32,520
interesting.
I have we have appreciated the

728
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,440
engagement.
It's hard to keep up.

729
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,640
I'm not like a YouTube.
I I do like watch stuff on

730
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,040
YouTube but I don't it's hard
for me to like keep up with if.

731
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:43,120
There are comments, especially
if they're snarky.

732
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,360
Zach is the one doing all that
online.

733
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,240
I I just sit back and don't
really even do anything.

734
00:36:48,240 --> 00:36:49,840
It's great.
So I might say something

735
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:54,360
couraging from like a Kobe
Bryant text user handle, but

736
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:57,240
Zach is the one that's doing all
of those interactions.

737
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:00,000
I like calling people out.
Get back, get back, get back on

738
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:00,880
it.
I like it.

739
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:01,960
We'll see.
Sarcasm.

740
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,280
This is good.
Hey, you know, we'll, we'll keep

741
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,160
it, keep it on.
I'm curious if we'll get any

742
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:09,480
pushback on the end times.
On the end times, yeah.

743
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,320
Probably not as much as the
Colts, but we'll see what

744
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:11,960
happens.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

745
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:14,720
Anything else you got?
That's all I got.

746
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:16,360
All right.
That's our take.

747
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:21,000
Thanks for listening to Take 2.
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748
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,520
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749
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:24,200
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