How Can We Get Along? Part 2 | Romans 14:13-23

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All right, Zach.
Wow I'm I'm so intrigued.

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Michael just has a mystery gift
on his Bible.

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Well, yeah, yeah.
I don't know if it's a gift, but

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yeah, yeah.
I mean, I'm I'm gonna gift you

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something, but do you ever or
regularly chew gum or you gum?

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Chew.
I mean, not not when I'm

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driving.
I chew gum.

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When you're driving, Yeah.
Yeah.

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All right.
So when TikTok was going out of

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business, I don't know, I was on
there and I saw this company

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underbrush advertise and they
make an all natural gum.

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And what they say is that this
gum has been laboratory

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certified to assist in re
mineralization of your teeth.

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So if you have a small cavity,
chewing this gum according to

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them could help you your teeth
repair itself.

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You know, I always when if
someone gives you gum, there's a

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lot of questions you need to ask
yourself how how is your oral

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hygiene?
That's always that's always the

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first thing.
Second thing is with the gum.

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I get, I don't think this is
necessarily great for you, but I

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always try to get gum that has
that xylitol in it specifically

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for like, you know, anti cavity
kind of stuff.

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Just definitely not as good as
the other gum.

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But I have never heard of this.
I'm so intrigued.

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So it is.
It is very I'll.

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Oh, is it potent or something or
what?

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Yeah, it's.
Very hard to to when you first

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start chewing it and you will
like the longer you chew it and

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you get it softened up, you can
be like because let me just read

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it it.
It does have organic xylitol.

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OK, there you go.
Organic Erythritol, organic,

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Chuckle gum.
These are all more organic.

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I'll stop saying the word
organic.

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Mastic gum, spruce gum, Mer gum,
Acacia gum, spearmint flavor,

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and then organic eggshell
powder.

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I guess.
I don't know what?

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What?
So it's all good.

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So it's.
Yeah.

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See what you think.
It's it's it's tough to get

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going.
I don't.

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Know to get your jaw it's good
to get your jaw workout, but

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it's good to eat meat and chew
stuff people don't do that today

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and there are major jaw problems
with America.

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Have you heard this?
I have heard of it's AI think

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people say I don't know if this
part is true, but you know, rise

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up braces and your jaw's not
growing right and mouth

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breathing versus nose breathing
and a lot of it got weak jaws

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people.
Yeah, 'cause if you were eating

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that harder organic cellulose,
you'd use those muscles, those

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muscles would pull on your jaw
and you wouldn't have to get

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your wisdom teeth extracted.
Your jaw would actually grow

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large enough for your wisdom
teeth.

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So what?
What do you think?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Once the spearmint flavour kind

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of tanks down, that's when
you're gonna go, oh, this almost

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tastes like pine.
That's the spruce that you're

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gonna I.
Was thinking sprucey here, yeah.

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Yeah, so.
I feel this is, this is like

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rugged gum.
This is like, you know?

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Manly gum, I can chew it for
about 10 minutes and I'm like

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it's got to go, it's got to go.
So maybe after the banter,

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we'll.
Time to yeah, yeah, I like that.

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What's it called again?
Underbrush.

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It's called Underbrush.
They have this mint flavor and

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then they also have a cinnamon
flavor, and this one was the one

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that was marked as hot, but that
didn't seem like it was that hot

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to me Maybe.
That's why they went out of

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business.
Maybe, maybe people were hoping

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for the hot.
Gum well, they were only they

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were only going out of business
if TikTok because they sold

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through TikTok store.
But now that Tik Tok's back on

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I.
Think they're fine?

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I see.
I see.

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All right.
I love it.

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Yeah, they were.
Yeah, they were concerned

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they're going to go out of
business because of the whole.

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Some people have strong stances
on like gum chewing is not

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polite.
You run into people that like,

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spit out your gum.
Yeah.

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Just saying, maybe it's a
practical application of the of

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the sermon.
Right.

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So if you know you're, if you
know you're around someone who

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is like that, go ahead and spit
your gum out so you don't offend

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them.
That something like that this

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this sermon title is how can we
get along part.

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Two-part dose, yeah.
Finishing out we're we just cut

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chapter 14 in half.
I think it divides pretty nicely

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with itself.
So let's go ahead, chew our gum,

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and take it to the next level
from the hearts of the Low

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Country in South Carolina.
It's the Take Two podcast where

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we take theology to the next
level.

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Zach, I didn't really want to
say this, but we've been having

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some hard times getting along.
I can't.

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It's this sermon spoke to my
soul, spoke to the podcast.

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It's just been tough out.
There.

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Yeah.
You've been on me for like,

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little things, I feel like, and
like you should, you know, just

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lighten up a little bit.
You know what I'm saying?

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I know, man, it's, it's been,
it's been, it's been tough, but

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I'm not alone.
I don't know if you were going

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specifically somewhere I was
going to talk about silly things

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church members fight over, but
do you have something on your

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mind specifically?
No, it is, it is a crazy this

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list that we're about to get to.
I will add to this list carpet

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color.
Yeah, that's I, I feel I, I was

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surprised that didn't make the
list 'cause I've heard that like

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as a joke or, you know, as
something repeatedly.

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So I grew up, you know,
obviously we both attend the

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same church.
We're elders at the same church.

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And you know, some of those
decisions, it's not like we

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don't like some of that stuff.
Obviously, at the end of the

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day, as long as it looks OK, it
it doesn't really matter.

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And, but and I grew up at a
church that everything was like

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congregational LED.
So this kind of stuff would come

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up in a business meeting.
And take up a lot of time.

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This would be like 30-45
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And then, like, at the end of
it, you'd be like, OK, we want

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to appoint, you know, Susie
Smith and Tanya Ray to be on the

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committee to pick out the
curtains for the church.

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And then, you know, it's like
everything then gets done by

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committee so that you try to
save it out of that stuff.

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Yeah, there there's some tough
congregational meeting where

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it's just people are shouting
across the way and it's over.

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So things we had one in
particular about like we buy a

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new like we had, we used to have
like 15 passenger vans, like we

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like a few of those that we used
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We were like getting a bus, lot
of questions about the bus, the

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seatbelts.
It just got like so crazy was

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not profitable was not was not
good.

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But Pastor Joel in prep for this
to got, you know, a list

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together from, you know, things
ship members fight over and ship

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members fight about about
anything really.

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Yeah, and I don't even know why
this one, whether or not to

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install bathroom stall dividers
in your female bathroom.

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What?
What are they trying to hide?

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Why do they need dividers?
No, I'm just kidding.

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I thought that was weird too.
Yeah, like.

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Why would we not provide people
some privacy?

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Yeah, accountability, making
sure people only take one square

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toilet paper and not anymore,
right?

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So we we especially at the
beginning, we'll, we'll take

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some rabbit trails maybe really
anywhere in the podcast.

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But I read an article.
Do you know that like Europeans

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come over to America and one of
the things that they, you know,

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like, like, I cannot believe
this is like our dividers have

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those little gaps and stuff in
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Ohh yeah.
Yeah, where theirs is like, it's

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like a full room or something.
And I read an article recently

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that a productivity engineer
designed them that way to make

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people feel uncomfortable so
that they would not waste time

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in the bathroom.
Wow.

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I wonder, like how extreme you
could take.

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Yeah, that would make you feel
uncomfortable.

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Some other other ones was
whether they have a clock in the

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sanctuary, what kind of filing
cabinets?

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You gonna have how many drawers?
How many drawers?

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That's crazy.
Yeah, yeah, which pitcher of

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Jesus to put in the foyer?
How about no pitcher?

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Of Jesus, Yeah.
Yeah, exactly.

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Cran grape versus straight
grape.

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Juice versus wine maybe?
Versus wine, yeah, yeah, I've

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heard that gluten free
communion, you know, we've, our

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churches had that conversation a
little bit not, not that we've

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been like fighting about it,
like gluten free, no gluten, but

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you know.
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So we do have some folks who are
gluten free, but I don't,

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according to Tim, they're still
not taking the the bread because

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they just don't trust it.
And so I think we could just go

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back to normal matzo bread, but
soon as our oven gets fixed,

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that's a long drawn out
conversation I've been working

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on.
I want to experiment with some

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homemade gluten free.
Oh, that would be good.

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If we, if we can make that
reasonable, then we'll just take

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it on ourselves to prepare it
maybe.

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Oh yeah, that's a good idea.
Type of coffee.

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Do we want Folgers?
We want Starbucks.

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As long as it is that heavy dark
roasted coffee, yeah.

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And then I think he gets this
list from Rainy affiliated with

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Lifeway Southern Baptist
Convention.

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You know, everyone knows
Lifeway.

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Have all those gone out of
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I don't know.
You know, the stores.

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I know there's I know Lifeway's
out of business.

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But, you know, that used to be a
place you could go, you know,

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hang out, get stuff.
He says.

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And I quote, yes, these are
these issues are silly.

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Many are absurd, but they all
are distractions from what we

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should be doing in our churches.
In that sense, they are really

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great distractions from the
Great Commission.

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And you can really just get off
the beaten path with things that

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don't matter.
And I think I think he summed it

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up well with that list.
Yeah.

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And despite these things, there
can be some real issues.

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It can be tough to get along
with people at church.

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You got different people,
different backgrounds, different

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thoughts.
We're all sinners.

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And so Paul's going to spend a
second chapter on how do we get

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along?
I love it.

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So getting a little context,
there's different views on, on

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these different subjects in, in
this church that's made-up of

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Jew and Gentile.
One of those is do I eat meat?

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Do I not?
Is it kosher?

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Has it been offered to idols?
You know, OT, dietary

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restrictions, all these things.
What days are we gonna meet?

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You know, we meeting Saturday,
meeting Sunday.

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Are there certain holidays?
Do we keep festivals from the

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Jewish calendar?
All these things.

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And then, you know, what do we
drink, you know, is the wine

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good, alcohol great, you know,
bad.

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Don't do it.
A lot of different subjects that

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Paul uses.
Question is how if we disagree

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on these, is there a path to
getting along?

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Last week we kind of talked
about, hey, Paul was really

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focusing on the person who was
the weaker brother, on the

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person whose conscience was just
a little bit too particular.

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We saw that it's kind of towards
the end of the the first half,

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verses 10 through 12 says, but
why?

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But you, why do you judge your
brother or you again, why do you

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regard your brother with
contempt?

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For we will all stand before the
judgment seat of God.

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For it is written as I live,
says the Lord, every knee will

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shall bow to me, every tongue
shall give praise to God.

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So then each of one of us will
give an account of himself to

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God.
That that is great.

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A little recap because this week
he's continuing this argument,

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looking at the other side of it,
like Michael said, and he's

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going to add, what's our
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Like why do we do what we do?
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If you can think in terms of
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least helps me understand things
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and get on board.
So again, we've got a large

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chunk of text from it's 1413 to
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You want to take it verse by
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Yeah, just take it verse by
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I like and I like the way Pastor
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It makes it easy to, OK, think
about this, think about this,

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think about this.
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I thought that was good.
And so right on cue, principle

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number one, don't cause a
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And what we're talking about
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that is objectively wrong, but
you know, something that even if

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it's OK, but they feel like it's
wrong, you don't want to push

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them into that or, you know,
lead them into that or think,

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let them think that, oh, it's OK
to send in this area.

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So like one example before you
read like if you know, I think

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it's OK to drink alcohol as long
as we're not getting drunk.

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And you're like, no, but I'm
like, give you some alcohol and

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you're drinking it and you're
sinning against your conscience.

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I have.
I'm.

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I've been wrong there.
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Yeah, don't push someone.
I think, I think this is a

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delicate balance, like to walk
because I think it is OK to be

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like, hey, let's look at
Scripture and let's try to

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inform.
But yeah, don't, don't push it

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on them and be like all the cool
kids, all the cool apostles were

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doing it.
You should do it, you know.

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is push the idea but not the
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You need to really look at this
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support what you're saying.
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where their conscience has been
informed, then they can still,

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you know, choose to observe.
That's what Joel's going to say.

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Like I don't think it's wrong,
but I choose to observe so I

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don't offend, Abstain so I don't
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Follow up question, what's in
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I'm just kidding.
Michael was a little walking in

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there, a little weird.
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And I never know, it's a big
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But verse 13 of chapter 14 says
therefore let us not judge one

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another anymore, but rather
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obstacle or a stumbling block in
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This is exactly what we just
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Don't cost someone to stumble
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Yeah.
And Joe's going to jump to the

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end of the chapter and kind of
bring these verses in because,

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you know, it's like he bookends
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I don't know if it's probably
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Paul does like to bookend things
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So he's going to really end our
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Same idea 2021 says, do not tear
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sake of food.
All things indeed are clean, but

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they are evil for the man who
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It is good not to eat meat or
drink wine or do anything by

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which your brother stumbles.
So let's keep our brothers

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sisters in mind.
Like if you're doing something,

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you know it's going to cause
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Like it's not that.
Important because what's really

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bad is for someone to sear their
conscience and things they think

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are bad.
They're like OK with doing it

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because that and then you can
start crossing over into lines

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where you're actually you don't
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you.
That's right.

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Verse 14 Paul continues.
I know and am convinced in the

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Lord Jesus that nothing is
unclean in itself, but to him

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who thinks anything to be
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To boil it down, if you believe
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not a sin, it's a sin.
For you to do that, you need to

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be convinced from Scripture.
I think last week we talked

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about, you know, to be fully
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just don't not take a stance
like you need to have a reason

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behind it.
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this is a bad thing to do,
don't.

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Don't cross that line.
So what I hear you saying is

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that I am my brother's keeper.
Yes, Which, you know, if you if

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you go back, Cain and Abel, am I
my brother's keeper?

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You know, at some level, yes, at
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You know, it's like last week is
like, ultimately I don't answer

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for someone, but you can't drag
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Right, right.
You should be lovingly looking

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out for your brother, but you're
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your brother's actions.
So 2 two sides of that different

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coin.
So let's apply some of that you

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mentioned to alcohol.
We know that drunkenness is

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this, and that's one of those
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Like I just get drunk on the
weekend.

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Like no, that's all bad all the
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Some people I would say that if
I have any alcohol it's it's a

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sin.
Others believe that it's OK I

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have AI.
Like how pastor put a beer with

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your pizza, you know?
Jill said could it be with any

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other food 'cause he kept saying
with pizza, with pizza, with

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pizza.
It's great, 'cause I would, and

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I would think most of those
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consumption is a sin, they would
look at and say wine in the

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Bible is crepe juice.
That's like, right.

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That's like where they, that's
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Jesus is having grape juice and
that, and obviously, you know,

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that would be like one of those
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Maybe you're like, maybe I
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if they believe Scripture is
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that's probably just Welch's
before Welch's, right?

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Yeah, yeah.
And so just to say, I grew up

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largely in this, in this type of
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most of the people thought it
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And I was just like, this
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And then and for the people who
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maybe it had alcohol, but it was
really, that's the other.

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Thing that's.
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Then why would there be all
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Like why would I have to be
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not alcohol really?
You were, you were seeing

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through this, this smoke stream
'cause I, I went to a very

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conservative undergrad college,
Bob Jones.

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We would have like chapels that
would be like, everyone thinks

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we're crazy, but we don't think
alcohol is bad, just don't do it

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here.
And I was like, Bob Jones is

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saying that.
And maybe they weren't saying

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that 20 years ago, but they're
like, we are not saying alcohol

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is bad.
We're saying getting drunk is

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bad, but we're just not going to
do it on campus because we don't

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want people to get drunk.
And I was like, oh, if they can

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recognize that I'm like, you
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I think a lot of that might be a
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about being careful with alcohol

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and proverbs.
There are people who I guess

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these family lines, some some
have suggested it's genetic,

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like you may be more prone to be
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I don't know.
I know Tim would say I've seen

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so many people with alcohol
problems, like I don't want it

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anywhere near me so.
And I think I probably like

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we're past your line today.
He was kind of like, not to

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spoil it.
Like I don't think drinking

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alcohol is bad, but I'm not
going to do it either for other

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people like this past this.
Or maybe you're saying with Tim,

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it's like, I don't even it's not
bad, but I just don't want to go

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down the road And that that that
seems like a reasonable,

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reasonable stance.
But you've got some of these

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these ideas.
So that's that's principle

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number one.
Don't cause a brother to sin.

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That's that's not worth it at
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Principle 2 is to walk according
to love, getting to that

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motivation.
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So verse 15 says for if because
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you are no longer walking
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Do not destroy with your food
him for whom Christ died.

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That's strong destroy.
And I think that's that's

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obviously intentional in
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you don't, if you're not walking
in love, you could actually be

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destroying.
I think you know, in other

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passages.
I mean, your conscience is

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really important.
You can make a shipwreck of your

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faith through your conscience.
I think Timothy or, or you know,

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Paul writes what they would say
First Corinthians 8 one through

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3.
Paul writes now about food

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sacrifice to idols.
We know that we all possess

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knowledge, but knowledge puffs
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Those who think they know
something do not yet know as

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they ought to know.
But whoever loves God is known

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by God.
Kind of even showing.

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You might, you might be the
stronger brother, you might, you

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might know all these things, but
man, it's much more than

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knowledge.
So is the application of that

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verse.
You shouldn't learn things

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because knowledge puffs up.
Yeah, throw all your books away.

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Knowledge.
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Because, yeah, that's funny.
When people go to that like

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knowledge, it's like they they,
they push too hard.

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You can have both of these
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Knowledge is good.
Just type of love with your

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knowledge.
All right, so then Pastor just

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reiterates, which I think we
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Do not destroy with your food.
Him for whom?

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From Christ, as I'd like.
Which?

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Which is more important?
You know, drinking a beer out,

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you know, or, you know,
abstaining and then, you know,

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helping people with their
conscience.

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So we get to principle #3 do
what's right partly because

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others are watching.
There's always people watching.

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People just love, just love to
take down, you know that Just

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say a snide or mark about the
church like people are watching.

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And so don't open yourself up to
that.

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And by virtue on the other side
of it, be a good example of the

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unity of all these different
people you know in Christ.

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Verse 16 says therefore do not
let what is for you a good thing

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be spoken of as evil.
And I have this note down here.

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I have no idea what it means.
Oh, internal.

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I don't know what I was typing
there.

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I like it.
That's good.

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Maybe we just go on to verse 17.
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is not eating and drinking, but
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in the Holy Spirit.
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And so you read a verse like
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I think this is a great verse.
It's like, does that mean we

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don't eat it all?
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Probably, but but the focus is
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emphasis, right?
Things are not that important in

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comparison to things like the
fruit of the Spirit.

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Psalm 133, Pastor Joel
mentioned, behold how good and

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how pleasant it is for brothers
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And that that is an impressive
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It seems like, you know,
everyone says that we're

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polarized more than ever.
All this stuff.

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Unity is a hard thing,
especially when you've got

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people with different opinions.
That is a challenging thing to

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nail down.
Very challenging.

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Continue on verse 18.
For he who in this way serves

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Christ is acceptable to God and
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Verse 19.
So then we pursue the things

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which make for peace and the
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That's great, these things, if
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It matters how we look to the
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You can find a bunch of
passages.

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Last time we were in Ephesians 4
talked a lot about unity being

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important.
When you be diligent in that,

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you look at John 17, Jesus high
priestly prayer, he says you

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know, through unity.
That's how the world's going to

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know about me.
I thought he said my shirt that

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took a logo but then changed it
to say something about God's

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love.
That's how they they would know

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that we belong to him.
Is that not it?

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00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:46,520
That that's funny.
So you have this note in here,

453
00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:47,760
it'll take you can take it like
how?

454
00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:50,120
How far do we take this?
Yeah, 'cause I was thinking

455
00:21:50,120 --> 00:21:53,760
like, we do definitely like
there's extremes, you know,

456
00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:59,680
there, obviously.
You know, I think, Joel, is it

457
00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:01,640
later on in here that we're
going to talk about the

458
00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:05,040
Christmas tree perhaps, Yeah.
But you know.

459
00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:06,560
That's a good question to ask
yourself.

460
00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:08,680
Yeah, because you can't take it
too far.

461
00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:10,760
And I'm, I'm going to, I'm not
representing the views of

462
00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:13,720
everyone here maybe, or
everything, but I think you can

463
00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,960
even see it in an organization
like the Gospel Coalition.

464
00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,120
Great organization.
We're going to focus on just the

465
00:22:19,120 --> 00:22:21,320
gospel and we have people from
all different, you know,

466
00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:24,040
Presbyterian, Baptists,
whatever, and we can focus on

467
00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:26,520
the gospel.
And then I honestly like

468
00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:30,240
probably 95% of what they say.
But then it's like, oh, you open

469
00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:32,840
the door too much in the name of
unity.

470
00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:35,400
And it's like, I think we're
missing the mark on a couple of

471
00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:38,200
these articles, even though I
agree with the the premise, but

472
00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:42,240
you can't open it up too much.
And so this by making sure that

473
00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:44,520
we don't appear foolish to that
doesn't mean we're going to

474
00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:47,080
compromise.
That's right on, you know,

475
00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:50,240
chapters one through 11, right?
And I, I think we're getting hit

476
00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:55,800
hardest, you know, on gender
idea identities, you know, LGBT

477
00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,360
type stuff.
That doesn't mean that, oh, the

478
00:22:58,360 --> 00:23:01,840
world thinks you're hateful
because you call homosexuality a

479
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:03,520
sin.
Well, we can't do other than

480
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:05,760
that.
But we for sure don't want to be

481
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:10,280
suing each other in a public
court over a Christmas tree and

482
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,040
whether it should be in our
sanctuary or not.

483
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:15,400
That's the kind of stuff that's
like, we have enough, you know,

484
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:19,440
the gospel is offensive enough
because we're calling people,

485
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:23,320
we're saying, hey, you're a
Sinner, I'm a Sinner too, right?

486
00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:25,800
We're all sinners and you need
Christ.

487
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,840
That alone is a little bit
offensive to people, so let's

488
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:30,840
not add to it with these
frivolous things.

489
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:33,720
This is a great time to go to
Barnhouse.

490
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:37,760
Too bad Jack was not there today
because Pastor was sure that he

491
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:40,080
would aim in right there.
But like, I know Barnhouse.

492
00:23:40,120 --> 00:23:42,880
I forgot, I forgot this guy's
first name was, but you know,

493
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:47,600
classic commentator.
I'll read this quote he writes.

494
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:49,800
In the ancient world, there was
no banking system as we know it

495
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:52,880
today, no paper money.
All money was made from metal,

496
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,720
heated until liquid, poured into
molds and allowed to cool.

497
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,480
When the coins were cooled, it
was necessary to smooth off the

498
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,560
uneven edges.
The coins were comparatively

499
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:03,080
soft, and of course, many people
shaved them closely.

500
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:05,800
In one century, more than 80
laws were passed in Athens to

501
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,360
stop the practice of whittling
down the coins then in

502
00:24:08,360 --> 00:24:10,960
circulation.
But some money changers were men

503
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,880
of integrity who would accept no
counterfeit money.

504
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,040
They were men of honor who put
only genuine full weight money

505
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:20,280
into circulation.
Such men were called Dokamas.

506
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:22,600
I might be saying that wrong.
And this word is used here in

507
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,400
the Christian as he is to be
seen by the world.

508
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:27,880
And that's probably an easy way
just to shave it a little bit

509
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,320
here and there and like sneak in
a by.

510
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:33,080
So they shave it and they
collect those shavings and then

511
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:34,120
melt it down again.
I.

512
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:36,560
Guess, I guess after you get so
many and then.

513
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:39,640
'Cause if you shaved 1/4 and it
still spent $0.25 it wouldn't.

514
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:43,240
Unless you're like trying to use
the the medals.

515
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:47,120
But yeah, Joel pronounced this
Doykamas.

516
00:24:47,120 --> 00:24:48,280
Doyk, that's right.
OK.

517
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:51,920
Yeah, and on the way out, Alex
suggested that maybe that's

518
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,520
where we got our name, Dork,
because these people were like,

519
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:57,080
so concerned about coins and
stuff.

520
00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:58,440
Like, just give me the coin, you
dork.

521
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:01,120
That's fine.
That's that.

522
00:25:01,120 --> 00:25:03,120
That's pretty fun.
Well, this word, it really means

523
00:25:03,120 --> 00:25:07,320
means men who are approved.
So that's that's a good, I think

524
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:10,680
that's a good, good take away.
Good analogy.

525
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,400
Think, think about this.
Some here's a quote.

526
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,240
Some thought that you alluded
this, that a tree was fine.

527
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:19,320
Others thought it was a Pagan
practice and they got so angry

528
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,960
at each other that they actually
got into fistfights over it.

529
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,120
One group dragged the tree out
and the other group dragged it

530
00:25:24,120 --> 00:25:26,760
back in, ended up suing each
other in courts.

531
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:28,920
Like you were saying, that's
that's not good.

532
00:25:29,120 --> 00:25:31,480
Right.
No bueno, no bueno.

533
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:37,120
All right, principal #4 you will
be, guess what, happy in serving

534
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:39,120
others.
Verse 22.

535
00:25:39,120 --> 00:25:43,840
The faith which you have have as
your own conviction before God.

536
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:48,640
Happy is he who does not conform
condemn himself in what he

537
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:50,760
approves.
Yeah, I like this word.

538
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,000
Happy, blessed, whatever his
name is.

539
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:56,600
Randy Alcorn has a book that
goes into detail about this is

540
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:58,720
really the same thing.
He's really saying joy and

541
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,360
happiness and blessedness is the
same thing because people like

542
00:26:01,360 --> 00:26:04,960
to tear apart joy and happiness.
But yes, same kind of word you

543
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:08,560
find in the Sermon on the Mount
and the bee attitudes that talks

544
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:09,520
to those.
You know, if you give up your

545
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,480
rights, your freedoms to serve
others, you will be blessed.

546
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,200
It's more blessed to give than
to receive.

547
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,200
And that's kind of the same idea
at work here.

548
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,240
Yeah, this.
I'll share some personal

549
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:23,200
testimony and I'll leave names
out, but this kind of principle

550
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:27,320
came up recently.
Our family went to eat at a

551
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:32,960
hibachi style restaurant and
there was some concern slash

552
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:36,640
disagreement about where some of
the sisters were going to sit.

553
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:38,080
Oh, it's tough.
With the seating.

554
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:42,840
Yeah, and in talking with one of
them who were a little bit more

555
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:47,400
upset, they said we you have to
sit where you want to.

556
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,240
You came in and sit right down.
I was like, well, actually I

557
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,440
didn't.
I sat on the edge away from the

558
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:57,720
middle next to strangers.
And I happily do that so that

559
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:01,160
you don't have to sit next to
strangers and that, you know, I,

560
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,800
I am happy to serve my family in
that way.

561
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:07,800
So I'm up against this weird guy
and y'all get to see, you know,

562
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:09,720
the full view of people cooking
and stuff.

563
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,520
And I'm not trying to pat myself
on the back, but as a father, I,

564
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:14,040
I, you know.
Responsibility.

565
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:15,960
You, it's not only
responsibility, but you look

566
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,080
when you see your family
enjoying the meal and stuff,

567
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:19,120
you're like, hey, you know, it's
good.

568
00:27:19,360 --> 00:27:21,400
Question Yeah, I don't mean to
cut you out 'cause this is not

569
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:22,880
important.
Did you catch that like shrimp

570
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:23,840
in your mouth right there to
you?

571
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,920
He he did not do any of that.
I haven't seen anyone, yeah, in

572
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:31,800
quite a while actually throwing
to, to the mouth to, to, to do

573
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,000
that.
But he, I always like him.

574
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:37,440
You know, some of them are very,
you know, almost stoic and

575
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:38,920
stuff.
I like the ones who are laid

576
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:40,040
back and just kind of talk to
you.

577
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:40,960
He was.
He was.

578
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,520
Making jokes, catching you off
guard, that that's always like,

579
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:44,080
that's always.
Fun.

580
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,240
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Get our focus right.

581
00:27:47,360 --> 00:27:50,480
Pastor goes to this illustration
of Eastern Airlines flight 4,

582
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,960
one that went down in the
Everglades and really sad

583
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:57,240
situation where it lost altitude
and crashed because they took

584
00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:58,840
their focus on what was
important.

585
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:03,560
They're looking at this burnout
light bulb when really the pilot

586
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:05,960
like knocked the yoke or
something and it was just

587
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:10,000
autopiloting and descending and
didn't even notice it because

588
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,480
they were focused on this thing
that really was inconsequential.

589
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:16,160
Yeah, and just crazy.
Like the first job is to fly the

590
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,680
plane.
And so they just sit.

591
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:23,080
They like, they put the landing
gear down, but then the light

592
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:24,880
didn't show that it had locked
out.

593
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:26,960
And they're trying to figure
out, did this light burn out or

594
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:27,920
not?
Similar.

595
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:31,240
You remember the plane that
crashed in the water like in

596
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,880
between Brazil and the US?
Vaguely, yeah.

597
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:38,320
So similar thing like there was
this, they had three pilots, a

598
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:43,240
pilot and two Co pilots and the
main pilot like got them out of

599
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,000
Brazil now.
Now they're over the ocean, he's

600
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,520
going to take his rest.
And so there's the two Co pilots

601
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,320
there and one of them was just
so scared.

602
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:54,880
He just kept pulling back on his
yoke the whole time, which put

603
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,760
them like at this.
So at some point in time you're

604
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:02,520
trading off speed for altitude,
but then you start losing an

605
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:04,400
equation.
And so you they were kind of

606
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:08,160
nose pointed up and then just
slowly descending, slowly

607
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,040
descending, slowly descending
'cause they didn't have the

608
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:13,880
speed to gain any more altitude
and the end up crashing.

609
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,400
That's.
But yeah, wow, you lose your

610
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,640
focus, bad things happen.
So let's review these principles

611
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,200
'cause these are very practical.
Principle number one is don't

612
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,600
cause a brother to sin.
Principle #2 is walk according

613
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:29,040
to love #3 do what's right
because others are watching and

614
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:31,440
#4 you'll be happy in serving
others.

615
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:35,160
I think those are nice concise
things to to consider as you

616
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,240
think about how do you get along
with other people.

617
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,800
Yeah.
And like I said, the two sides

618
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:42,920
of the point last week, Paul's
like saying, hey, weaker

619
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:46,320
brother, don't be judging your
brother who's exercises his

620
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:48,520
freedom this week.
He's like, brother who's

621
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:50,520
exercising your freedom.
Does it?

622
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:52,320
Is it really that important to
you?

623
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:54,400
Yeah, that's a good thing to
think about with a lot of

624
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,400
things.
How tightly are you holding

625
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:57,720
this?
I won't go into it for sake of

626
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,160
time, but I'll I'll maybe send
this to you, Michael, if you

627
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:01,600
want to.
I like this chart.

628
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,800
This is a cool chart that's from
this book I was talking about

629
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,800
and it's, it's too in depth to
talk about, but it outlines

630
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,680
strong consciences versus weak
and where it's heresy versus

631
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:12,960
arrogance versus judgmental
versus where you want to be.

632
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,240
Just it's good things to think
about those with specific,

633
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:20,160
specific things because we, we,
there's plenty of issues, you're

634
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,640
probably weaker and plenty of
issues you're probably stronger

635
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:24,400
and you know where conflict
arises.

636
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:28,000
Yeah, so that's that's so in
depth, probably even flashing on

637
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,480
the screen is too much.
So what I'll do is I'll put a

638
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:34,280
link in our description.
So whether you're on our podcast

639
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:38,520
or YouTube, just hit the link
and you can pull up that graphic

640
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:40,000
and see what Zach's referring
to.

641
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,200
Sweet.
Well, anything else, Michael?

642
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:44,560
That's all I got.
That's our take.

643
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:47,400
Thanks for listening to Take
Two.

644
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,720
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645
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