March 30, 2026
Jeremiah, Zedekiah, and Ebed-Melech: When the King Won’t Act
Episode 2.95
Narrative Juxtaposition: How the Bible Speaks Through Story Placement | Part 5
In this episode of Narrative Juxtaposition, Michael and Zach examine a striking contrast in Jeremiah’s final days: a king who refuses to act, a prophet who faithfully suffers, and a servant who steps forward with courage. As Jerusalem collapses under Babylon’s siege, the story reveals that true faithfulness is not measured by position or power, but by obedience.
Zedekiah hears God’s word but lacks the courage to follow it. Jeremiah remains faithful even when abandoned and thrown into a pit. But the unexpected hero is Ebed-melech, a foreign servant who risks everything to rescue the prophet—demonstrating the kind of trust and action the king himself failed to show.
The episode traces how this pattern echoes across Scripture: God often advances His purposes through outsiders, the overlooked, and the powerless. The takeaway is clear—God’s kingdom does not move forward through hesitant leaders, but through faithful servants who act with courage when it matters most.
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And today, tonight, we are
recording the closing, the final
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episode of the series.
I like starting series and I
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also like wrapping up series.
Yeah, yeah.
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It's it's good.
The middle, sometimes I get like
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I you got to go through, there's
got to be a middle.
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But sometimes I like any good
book, the beginning is good, the
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middle the the it's like,
especially if you're following a
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character, he or she's going
through a bunch of hard times
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with developing him or her, and
then at the end triumphs over
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the evil one or something like
that.
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That Yeah, it Yeah, that's
right.
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Every good book.
And so we're gonna end this
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series on narrative
juxtaposition by talking about
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one of everyone's favorite Bible
characters, Abed Malek.
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It's just.
Like it's like bedtime stories.
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Everyone's like David and
Goliath, Adam and Eve and Abed
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Malek.
And I like this story because
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it's a lesser known Bible story
and, you know, it's maybe
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juxtaposition is the wrong word.
I think it fits here.
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It's more of a contrast between
and, and I think you'll see
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this, you've seen this in a lot
of what we've talked about.
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The person you expect to do the
right thing does and the person
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you might not expect does the
right thing.
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We saw this in Jonah.
We saw this kind of with Ruth
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and Judges.
It's kind of like a different
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way.
We see these Gentiles responding
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in a way.
Some of these Jewish leaders in
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Matthew, you just, you would
expect them.
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They know more, to be more.
So that's what we're going to
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talk about today.
We'll talk about the Bible
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characters, Jeremiah, Zedekiah
and Abed Molech.
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This is the king who would not
decide, and the servant who did.
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Sounds good.
Let's take it to the next level.
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Let's fire up that twanga music.
From the hearts of the Low
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Country in South Carolina.
It's the Take Two podcast where
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we take theology to the next
level.
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All right, We're talking
Jeremiah Zedekiah and Abed
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Malek.
And as we were saying some of
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these names, Michael made this
timely connection right through
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my face.
Didn't you see it?
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We just talked about a lot of
Maleks.
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Abimelech.
Elimelech.
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Ebed malech and ebed means slave
or servant.
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And I, I remember we had said, I
said Eber, I think, 'cause I
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misremembered.
Obed but it was ebed and then.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So Ebed Obed, that's even
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closer.
And Ebed Malek means servant of
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the king, so man.
Just keep an eye out for those
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maleks.
They will.
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They will like pop up king.
That's so good.
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Well, kind of the thesis.
The central claim in this
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episode, not unlike some of
these other ones is that true
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faithfulness is measured by
things like obedience encourage
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not what you would expect all
the time position, power or
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status that God we know works
through the marginalized look
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works through the overlook the
powerless.
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While those often times that are
in the strong positions in
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authority often fail.
And we'll see this story and
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we'll see this at play in this
story of Jeremiah, Zedekiah, and
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Abed Malek.
So what?
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Let's set the stage, because
this this comes from the book of
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Jeremiah, which most people know
who Jeremiah is.
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They might know a few facts
about him.
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What is what's like the one
thing everyone knows about
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Jeremiah?
He's a weeping.
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That's like, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, because like a lot is not
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the one.
I always think about him.
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Another thing that people
probably know is he got thrown
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down into a pit.
And that that's very timely for
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this story in particular.
So you know, a couple things.
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You probably know some
contextual things, but just for
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fun, let's set the context and
go back in time to Jerusalem
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around 586 BC.
One of those, you know, there's
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not like a if you're thinking
major dates, that's one that
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should kind of hitch you in the
face.
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Not a not a good time for
Jerusalem.
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Yeah, there was a king maybe 50
years before this.
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That was visit.
They had just staved off the
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Assyrians.
The Babylonians visited and
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remember, he took them all
through and showed them all and
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the prophet that that time was
like basically everything you
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showed them.
God's going to judge you for
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this because you have pride and
it's all going to go to them.
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It's like, oh, and so now 586,
that's what's happening.
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Babylon.
The Bills come and do, yeah.
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Under Nebuchadnezzar coming to
the to take them out.
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Man into the picture is exactly
what you said.
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Babylon's army surrounding the
city, There's a siege.
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It's not going well.
It's, it's, it's you know what
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the siege does?
It's going on and on months and
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months.
Food's disappearing.
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People are losing confidence.
You know, everything is rationed
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on this great city of David is
now starting to give way.
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And the king we have is King
Zedekiah, the final king of
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Judah.
And what we do a lot of these
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podcasts talk about what what
names mean.
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His name means Yahweh is
righteous.
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And so he's the guy.
He should be doing the right
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thing at the.
Right time.
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You would think so.
You hope so.
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You want things are going bad.
Is he going to do what's right?
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If you read the story, he fears,
you know, the people he rules.
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He fears the the people from the
outside Babylon who are coming
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to take over.
He fears his own officials.
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And really, it's like analysis
paralysis.
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He's not deciding anything.
He's kind of just freezing in in
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his track.
And we've got this prophet
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Jeremiah that like we mentioned
the weeping prophet and, and
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he's declared that because.
If only Jeremiah had told him
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what to do.
Yeah, if if only he's given this
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message over and over that Judah
just refuses to hear.
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It's not a pretty message.
Judgment's coming.
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Even saying things like you know
Babylon will conquer the city,
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the only thing to do is
surrender like you need to
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surrender.
Fighting this is is not going to
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go anywhere.
Which seems counter it doesn't.
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You can understand like hey, I
trust in God, I don't trust in
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you, I don't believe you.
But I think God showed more than
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one time that Jeremiah was a
true prophet.
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Exactly.
So this message of Jeremiah,
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like Michael said, it's making
these leaders enraged.
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They'll say things like, hey,
Jeremiah, you're a traitor.
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You're you're committing
treason.
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Not only you're being
discouraging, but you are
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showing us disloyalty.
And so they they seek to silence
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him.
He's going to be thrown in this
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pit like you said.
And then this other guy, Abed
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Melek, he is a Kushite Ethiopian
servant in the king score his
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name like you so athlete pointed
out, means servant of the king.
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And what's going to happen is
this king Yahweh is righteous,
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doesn't act rightly and the
servant of the king is the one
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this guy from Ethiopia Cush the
right thing.
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So let let's get into the story.
I don't know if you want to pull
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up Jeremiah.
We'll look at chapter 21 and
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I'll have you read verses 8-9.
And this is really Jeremiah's
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message that he consistently is
preaching year.
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It's not just like once or
twice, but it's like year after
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year after year.
And this is not the one who was
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a bullfrog.
Common misconception.
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What a what a song that just
everyone knows as well.
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All right, Jeremiah 21, eight
through 9, says, You shall also
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say this to the people.
Thus says Yahweh, Behold, I sit
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before you, the way of life and
the way of death.
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He who dwells in this city will
die by the sword, and by famine
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and by pestilence.
But he who goes out and falls
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away to the Chaldeans who are
besieging you, will live, and he
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will have his own life as booty.
Yeah, and we mentioned this.
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This would be shocking.
This is not like good military
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tactics, Jeremiah, to be clear,
he's not like siding with
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Babylon.
He's just like the prophet.
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He's just revealing what God's
saying it's.
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Like when Paul says, hey, if you
jump off the ship, you're gonna
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die.
Stay on the ship, you're gonna
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live.
And people try to start jumping
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off the ship and it's like he's
just telling you.
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The fact, yeah, don't, don't
shoot the messenger.
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He's proclaiming God's judgement
specifically on Judah's
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rebellion and idolatry that you
know, if you've read Scripture,
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generation after generation has
ignored the covenant of
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responsibilities, turn their
back on God.
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They've rebelled and now
judgement has arrived.
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So let's talk a little more
about Zedekiah, who at this
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point like knows Jeremiah is a
true prophet.
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Jeremiah is validated, but he is
very, he's terrified of like
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what his officials are going to
say.
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And so he says one thing public,
one thing publicly, but then he
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wants to meet with Jeremiah
secretly.
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And in Jeremiah chapter 37 verse
17, he's like having this like
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aside in private with Jeremiah.
Says Now King Zedekiah sent and
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took him out, and in his palace
the king secretly asked him and
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said, is there a word from the
Lord?
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And Jeremiah said there is.
Then he said, you'll be given
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into the hand of the king of
Babylon.
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Something to tell.
OK, Yeah, I heard back.
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All that being said, Zedekiah,
like knows Jeremiah speaking
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truth, but he's kind of like in
this halfway, halfway point
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where he, like, wants to, he
like, wants to side with
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Jeremiah.
He knows that's the right thing.
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It's almost.
Like part of God's punishment to
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Israel was a weak leader.
Oh.
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Man, yeah, I, I, I think you're
exactly right.
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And it's like being stuck in
this middle zone where he, like,
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acknowledges y'all.
It's like he's like knows all
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the facts but is not acting on
it this week, leader not not
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following through with what he
knows is to be right.
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So his response is just to not
listen to Jeremiah.
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The, the officials, they,
they're getting sick of Jeremiah
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and all these warnings they
accuse him of like hurting
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morale.
All the soldiers are like, you
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know, not doing well, hearing
that everyone needs to
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surrender.
It's not good luck even saying
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things like, hey, you're
actually trying to hurt our
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people.
And they they actually say, Hey,
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let's execute Jeremiah.
Zedekiah again responds weekly.
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And he he basically takes the
easy way out and says, OK, hey,
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well, you can read it Jeremiah
38.
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Let's look at verse. 55 S King
Zedekiah said, Behold, he is in
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your hands, for the king can do
nothing against you, yeah.
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He's like, hey, I'm, I'm just
the king.
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What can I do?
Like that's a weird.
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Just a figurehead.
So you guys figure he abdicates
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his responsibility and in the
very next verse 6 basically say,
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hey, you can lower them to a
cistern.
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You know, you, you know, it's an
empty cistern.
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There's no water there.
It says in verse 6, there is no
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water in the cistern, only mud.
And Jeremiah sank in the mud.
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And so Jeremiah hares in this
cold, muddy cistern.
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It's probably dark, No food,
really nothing he can do.
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He's just basically.
Wasting away.
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That's he's probably like, I'm
gonna die.
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Here, not Margaritaville.
Not no, not Margaritaville and
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the king does nothing very next
verse, verse seven were
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introduced to Abed Malek, the
Ethiopian who was a servant in
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the King's house.
He was a things of no like we
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get these details about him.
He's a foreigner, he's a
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serpent.
We actually hear he's a eunuch
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as well, yet so he's like, he's
like the unlikely person to act
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cause what?
What's he got invested?
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All the things that are not
highly esteemed in in the Jewish
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economy, yeah.
But we're gonna say he's the one
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who acts.
Go ahead and read verses 8-9.
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This is kind of what we just saw
Jeremiah load in the system.
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This is Abed Malek's response.
And Abednalek went out from the
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King's palace and spoke to the
king, saying, My Lord the king,
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these men have acted wickedly in
all that they have done to
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Jeremiah the prophet, whom they
have cast into the cistern.
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And he will die right where he
is because of the famine, for
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there is no more bread in the
city.
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Very, very.
He's kind of saying everything's
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like this is not right.
Like honestly, the at some level
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the King's like asking Jeremiah
to say what happened.
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Jeremiah says what happens and
then he he's really basically,
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you know, LED down the cistern
to to his.
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So this, you know, servants
confronting the king.
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He's he's going against these
officials accusing them of
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injustice.
He's advocating for Jeremiah
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when no one else would.
And what what maybe not
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surprising we see and this is
actually all happens very fast.
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Verse 10.
We're like going in order here.
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This is Zedekiah's response.
Yeah, and.
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I've.
Even though it happens fast in
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our Bible, is there some?
Time, there might be 8 years.
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I mean, like, you don't, it's
not like you're reading 5
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chapters, but yeah, yeah, yeah,
it's like, easy to follow is
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what?
I easy to follow, but I think
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that Jeremiah does stay in there
for a little bit.
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Yeah, yeah, he says.
Then the king commanded,
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commanded Ebed Melek the
Ethiopian saying, take 30 men
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from here under your authority,
and bring up Jeremiah the
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prophet from the cistern before
he dies.
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Great.
Kind of, you know, he's again
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saying, hey, do what you want to
do.
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I know.
I guess I'm just again, I can't
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do anything.
Abed Malek organizes this rescue
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and and helps bring Jeremiah up
out of the cistern.
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He's lifted out of the pits.
You wanna read verses 12 and 13?
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There's like some like, you
know, imagery.
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There's some details here that
are good 'cause you know then
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ebed Malek the Ethiopian, said
Jeremiah.
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Now put these worn out clothes
and wraths rags underneath your
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armpits under the ropes.
And Jeremiah did so obviously,
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so the the ropes wouldn't, you
know, hurt his skin that's been
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in this mud for forever.
So they pulled Jeremiah up with
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the ropes and lifted him out of
the cistern.
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And Jeremiah stayed in the court
of the guard house.
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Great.
Jeremiah will dive the pit.
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He survives because of this
servant, Abed Malek.
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What's so interesting is God's
message he gives to Abed Malek
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in Jeremiah 39, verses 15
through 18.
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Now the word of Yahweh had come
to Jeremiah while he was
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confined in the court of the
guardhouse, saying, Go and speak
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to a bed and elect the Ethiopian
saying.
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Thus says Yahweh of host, the
God of Israel.
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Behold, I'm about to bring my
words on this city for disaster
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and not for prosperity.
And they will take place before
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you on that day, but I will
deliver you on that day,
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declares Yahweh.
And you will not be given into
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the hand of the men whom you
dread, for I will certainly
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rescue you, and you will not
fall by this sword.
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But you have your own life as
booty, because you have trusted
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in me, declares Yahweh.
Yeah.
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Because of how he acted, he's
like, hey, Jerusalem is going to
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fall.
God's people are being judged,
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but you are gonna be saved
through this.
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You're gonna be OK.
And it's kind of this, you know,
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reversal of, of fortunes where
Abedmelek is gonna experience
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salvation, at least in this
immediate sense.
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And so again, you look at you
look at the names and zoom out,
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you've got Yahweh as righteous.
Zedekiah does not act
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righteously, does not act in
accord with Yahweh's ways.
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Abedmelek, the servant of the
king really behaves more like
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more like a king should then
then a servant we look at
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Jeremiah's name means something
like Yahweh will exalt or Yahweh
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will lift or raise up.
And so though he's, you know,
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thrown down in the pit, he's
vindicated.
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And his message eventually is.
When I got out of the Navy,
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yeah, yeah, I was with, it's a
headhunter and I had some
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interviews and one of the
interviewers asked me, does
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everything fall and rise on
leadership like the saying says,
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And this is what I was trying to
communicate to them.
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I don't think I did a good, good
job communicating it and I did
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not get an offer for a job.
But what I was trying to say is
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everything rises and falls on
action of leadership, but it
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doesn't.
That doesn't always happen at
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the time.
If you could have a weak
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manager, but someone that's like
a good, you know, middle manager
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or something who actually
exercises the leadership that
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the shop workers needed.
That's what I was trying to
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communicate.
But this is, I think, an example
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of that.
You have a king who's not doing
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what's right, and yet there is
someone in a lower position
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rising up to the occasion to
provide the leadership that at
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least Jeremiah, you know, needed
at that time.
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And, and it's so interesting.
It's like we see this kind of
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story in other places, you know,
not too much in the future.
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We see like, you know, Daniel
and his friends are like
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foreigners in the King's court.
The king like listens to him.
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This is like the opposite kind
of thing, but it it's like you
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can be seemingly on the outside,
but working hard.
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I mean, obviously I've been like
had to be respected in some
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sense to be able to get have
given this this leeway.
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But yeah, anyway, another one of
these juxtaposition.
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And and so if we're kind of
rounding out this series, I
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think I think it's maybe helpful
to kind of talk about everything
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just just a little bit.
Some of this pattern we talk
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about Ruth and a lot of it is,
you know, it's like God's got
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these people, but then it's not.
It's almost flies in the face of
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this Black Hebrew Israelite cult
series we recently or episode we
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did where it's like, you know,
it's more this Galatians idea
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where, you know, it's more about
the substance like where where
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is your faith rather than what
your, you know, ethnic identity
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is because Ruth, this Moabite
widow preserves the line of
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David while Israel has collapsed
morally and judges just going
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down this bad road and Jonah,
these Pagan sailors fear the
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Lord.
They act faithfully while
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Jonah's like.
And the people on Nineveh and.
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The people on Nineveh, everyone
except for Jonah is doing the
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right thing.
Judges, national chaos, civil
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war, really terrible thing.
And then we had a couple
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episodes on the Gospels where
the Gentiles, the outsiders,
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they recognize Jesus more
significantly than the religious
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leaders, where Jesus looks at
some of them and says, I have
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not found such faith even in
Israel.
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He marveled at at some of these
sayings.
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And so faithfulness is often
found.
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And the ones you would, at least
as you're reading the story,
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it's like not not who you would
tee it up to be.
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And the kind of the
juxtaposition that we didn't do
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a separate that.
Really, that really was the
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catalyst for all of this.
Right was Judah and Joseph.
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Yeah, 'cause we're like Joseph,
Joseph, Joseph, Joseph, Joseph.
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Oh, and here's Judah and all of
his sins with Tamar and how he
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acted treacherously.
Joseph, Joseph, Joseph.
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Weird.
Yeah.
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And it's like right in the part
where I think it happens right
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around Potiphar.
'S wise, I think exactly.
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Yeah.
And so it's like this is a
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juxtaposition that most I think
I've heard of that one.
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Before, Yeah, yeah, you.
See it?
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It's a little bit more clear,
but if you're not paying
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attention, you're just like, oh,
this is just the next part of
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the story.
Like no, it was put there for
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reason to contrast the
sinfulness of Judah, who
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eventually is the one who Christ
comes through.
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Yeah, totally.
But.
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And and that of Joseph.
So yeah.
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See him in there so good.
There's a million more we could
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do, but I, I think a.
Million.
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We have them.
We have them all numbered.
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We have them radio.
It's good to yeah.
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Be mindful as you're reading
Scripture.
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Some of these overall biblical
connections, because they're
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like all over the place.
You, the more you read, the
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more, yeah, you see them.
That's good.
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Help me try to read with with
more of an eye for these things,
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you know.
Yeah.
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And something that I've done
before and it's difficult to do
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because it requires, especially
if it's a long book, Yeah, is
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copy out all the texts separate
from the chapters, maybe even
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verses.
OK, Yeah.
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And just read it all as one
narrative because sometimes
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chapter and verse breaks.
They your mind shuts off or
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something?
Yeah.
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It it really shuts off like you
know, Paul wrote Roman 7.
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About him?
Struggling with sin.
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That's my take because chapter 8
one verse one says, but now
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there is no condemnation for
those who are in Christ Jesus
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like even those of you who are
you know who are justified and
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are trying to become fully
sanctified.
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You're going to struggle with
sin.
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But guess what, no condemnation
for you.
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That's good.
And but if you just like, oh,
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I'm at the end of seven.
Shut the book.
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The next day I wake up and I
open.
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Up.
It's like a.
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Whole new thought.
It's like, yeah, that Paul put
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those like, so, yeah, if you
can, you can go to something
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like Bible Gateway, copy out the
text.
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You can have it actually leave
the numbers out and just like
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put it in one long document and
then read it and you can write
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it up on it and stuff.
That's good.
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And they have I, I have one, I
think it's just the Gospels.
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I, I'm not read it that much,
but you know, I've got like a
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Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.
That's just like a reader's
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Bible where there's like none of
that in there.
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It's like a book.
And it's like, oh, this is
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Matthew.
And then you read till you get
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to Mark and it just says they
make.
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Paragraphs.
They put Matthew first in that
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book.
Yeah, surprise, surprisingly.
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One other thing I'll say, just
kind of like in that Ruth story,
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it's like you kind of have
echoes to or even in the like
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that judge's story, it's like
you have echoes to like lie,
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like all these things are
connected.
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When I read about Ethiopian
eunuchs, I can't help but think
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of acts or it's like, you know,
there's like, I mean, not that
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it direct, but it's like, you
know, someone who hears this
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message and is believing and is,
you know, it's just, you know,
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interesting.
That it's the unit coup is with
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Esther Oh that's a.
Great.
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Great question.
I don't totally know.
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Maybe Ethiopia was just the
place you go get eunuchs.
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I don't.
Know maybe it is and all the
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stuff I was doing this was like
a while ago, but it's like I
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don't it might be like Cush or
Ethiopia just refers to like a
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very broad area of Africa.
There are places I think it's in
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Jeremiah.
There's like a proverb that
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Jeremiah says or someone says
it's like, can a leopard change
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his spots or Cushite the color
of his skin?
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Like supposedly they had like
very, very dark skin.
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Like they were like very, very,
very dark.
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So, you know, I, I, I don't
know.
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And then I don't know if this is
true or not, but some different
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scholarship I was reading about
specifically the, the Ethiopian
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eunuch in Jeremiah is like, you
know, maybe when it says eunuch,
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00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:43,040
it doesn't really mean eunuch.
It means it more means official.
437
00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:44,600
Yeah.
Yeah, exactly.
438
00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:47,680
It's like, it's hard to know
because some, you know, so I, I,
439
00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:51,120
I don't know, it's people like
maybe in the Old Testament it, I
440
00:22:51,120 --> 00:22:51,800
don't know.
Yeah.
441
00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:53,640
So there's a lot of different
thoughts.
442
00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:56,120
I don't.
I had a hard time teasing out
443
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what is like actually.
Book of Ester does not indicate
444
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the origin of the eunuch there.
Gotcha.
445
00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:04,520
You know, yeah.
So there you go.
446
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:08,240
That would be really cool if you
know this, this, you know,
447
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:12,720
connection there.
Anyway, anything else before the
448
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,280
final take?
No, that's, that's, this is a
449
00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:19,120
good episode.
It's a good reminder to read the
450
00:23:19,120 --> 00:23:22,440
Bible with questioning.
Not like you're questioning
451
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:25,720
authority, but like, ask
questions of the text and
452
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:28,880
observe, stand back.
And sometimes you've seen a text
453
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so often that like you know it,
so you don't really read it with
454
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:36,560
fresh eyes.
But it's hard to read with fresh
455
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:38,000
eyes when you don't have fresh
eyes.
456
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:38,920
But you're trying to.
That's right.
457
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Yeah, yeah.
It is really, really, really
458
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:43,560
tough to do that.
But that is yeah.
459
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Man, I love looking at little
series like this.
460
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:48,080
We'll up the, you know, keep you
in suspense.
461
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What's the next series on this?
You know, on this day of the
462
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week that that runs.
So we'll see.
463
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:57,400
We'll see what happens, what's
going on and you're I did watch
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that Wes Huffer.
I listened to the Wes Huff Diary
465
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of the Ceoi.
Need to listen to Wes Huff on
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Joe Rogan.
Oh yeah, and this diary of the
467
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:15,240
CEO, some Have you heard that
Joe Rogan has basically said he
468
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:18,360
basically believes the Christian
story and he probably counts
469
00:24:18,360 --> 00:24:20,520
himself as a Christian now.
Yeah, I've read some of this
470
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:25,760
stuff and the way he talks is
very much less dismissive as it
471
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:28,880
like used to be like you, you
can see a progression and things
472
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:33,400
he says is, is different.
I've read things about him I
473
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,240
don't listen enough to.
I I like cherry pick his
474
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episodes.
If there's like something on
475
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health or fitness or on really,
it's like something that catches
476
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my eye.
So I like won't listen to
477
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anything.
I'll listen to 1.
478
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But it it the way he talks is
different than it was like years
479
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:50,080
ago.
Yeah, because we had mentioned
480
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when Wes Huff went on there, I
was like, well, I don't know, I
481
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:58,280
don't know if I want to listen
to it because when Meyer,
482
00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:01,800
Stephen Meyer went on there, it
was just like the what if
483
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,080
question forever.
And someone commented on that
484
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:07,120
video and was like, hey, it's
it's a different attitude with
485
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Joe Rogan and and Wes like he
has.
486
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,120
Shipped, Yeah.
And he, Wes does a good job.
487
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Where I think where Joe Rogan is
going to have trouble is in some
488
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of the like sciency stuff.
He's like, he said something
489
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:24,440
that was one podcast.
Maybe it was on the Wes Huff.
490
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:28,400
It was one podcast and he's
like, you know, Adam and Eve,
491
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,760
like like that kind of stuff.
I I don't know if he's like
492
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:32,520
there with some of that like is
that literal?
493
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:35,080
Like that's just like we came
from monkeys and like that's
494
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like his thing.
I think he like that whole
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conversation.
He's a harder time with versus
496
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like some of the questions with
Wes Huff and what Yeah, it does
497
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:49,280
seem like it is different and a
lot of like where he's waning
498
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:53,520
like politically and stuff.
He he's really big on if
499
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:55,720
something is true, just say it's
true.
500
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And there's, you know, with all
of COVID and you know, you know,
501
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,680
politicians saying things and
act like, you know, So I think
502
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:07,640
that's like shifted him as well.
But it is interesting where I
503
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:09,600
have a hard time like knowing
exactly.
504
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:14,320
I think Jordan Peterson, who I'm
not sure you know, we would say
505
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:16,800
he's a Christian either, but
it's like he's like all wrapped
506
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:20,160
up in the all these stories in
the way when they talk.
507
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:24,040
But it is it is interesting that
I don't think he would have had
508
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,200
he wouldn't have like the
interaction with Westheff was
509
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,840
like very well, I wish with this
dire CEO.
510
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,600
It's really positive with this
dire CEO guys like clearly not
511
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,720
not a Christian, but he handled
really like he would ask Wes
512
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,240
like so would you say I'm going
to hell like or you know, and
513
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:41,960
Wes would like answer it like in
a pretty good way.
514
00:26:42,360 --> 00:26:46,080
Greg Kochel did a little bit of
cover on this, and he was very
515
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,240
happy with Wes's response.
And he was like, he didn't move
516
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:53,200
away from the objection, but he
was very kind in what he said.
517
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,000
But it's very straightforward in
what he said.
518
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,440
So it was great, yeah.
Yeah, he, he's, he's killing it
519
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,600
and gave like, whatever that
guy's name is, like a little
520
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,120
manuscript he made kind of
thing, you know, doing his
521
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:05,800
thing.
So it was good.
522
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:09,840
And I, I don't listen to a lot
of the Dire CEO podcasts, but it
523
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:13,160
seems like I could tell more on
this one, how edited they are,
524
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,280
where he like cuts stuff out and
compresses it.
525
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,680
I think you mentioned, like Greg
Kochl said, I never knew that,
526
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:19,360
but even I was, I was like, oh,
I bet.
527
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:23,120
It seems like he cut a lot out.
Greg said, yeah, I gave 2 points
528
00:27:23,120 --> 00:27:27,240
on something and I have my main
point and then I have kind of my
529
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:31,200
point that kind of back that
point up and like my main point
530
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,960
was totally gone and what was
released and only you got like
531
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:35,800
my backup point.
So it kind of seemed out of
532
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:36,920
place a little bit.
Yeah, I.
533
00:27:37,120 --> 00:27:38,200
I could.
He's like, I could tell.
534
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:41,560
He's like, and I don't think
that they necessarily do it on
535
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,440
purpose, that they just have
certain time constraints and
536
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:46,800
they're trying to.
'Cause it's already a long
537
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:50,760
podcast and if you don't know
they edit it, it almost sounds
538
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:52,160
like they don't edit, it just
flows.
539
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,320
So they probably just like try
to make it flow.
540
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,520
But knowing what he's about
Coco, I was like, oh, I bet he
541
00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,320
cut out something because I was
like, why didn't he say this
542
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:00,520
basic thing?
But it seems like he was
543
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,120
alluding to it.
But overall I thought it was
544
00:28:03,120 --> 00:28:05,360
like really well done.
He does come off.
545
00:28:05,360 --> 00:28:08,080
Maybe it's like the Canadian in
them that like comes off as like
546
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,040
being very like kind and not
aggressive.
547
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:11,560
You know what I mean?
That probably helps out.
548
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,240
Canadians.
Well, I wasn't, I wasn't going
549
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:18,320
to say Canadians are more kind,
but that I've seen, you know,
550
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:23,440
especially with this, the
curling.
551
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,120
Oh yeah, and the hockey thing.
I was like, well, not all
552
00:28:26,120 --> 00:28:28,120
Canadians are.
Dude, that curling thing.
553
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,080
Was crazy.
It is crazy.
554
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,520
He's like, I'm not cheating.
And then like, then there's like
555
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,200
they said, oh, we got a camera
set up.
556
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,360
So what's the deal?
I I only saw that part of it.
557
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,400
Yeah.
Like if it happens, you just
558
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,760
police yourself, like, no.
Or they, like the ref, could
559
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:44,200
call it.
Seems like the ref should do.
560
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:44,600
Something.
Yeah.
561
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:45,800
Yeah, I was.
Like why are you not
562
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:47,000
disqualified?
Because.
563
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,680
It's on.
The whole thing is you're let go
564
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:51,560
of that handle and you're not
supposed to touch it again.
565
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:55,200
But if you kind of see, oh, I'm
just a half a degree off, I can
566
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:56,920
just give it a little nudge and
it'll help.
567
00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:01,440
And of course, that's a that's a
huge advantage.
568
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,360
That's great, 'cause I was like,
I feel like unless it was like
569
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:06,920
so subtle, but on all the camera
stuff I saw, I was like, oh,
570
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,120
it's like clear.
It's not like maybe he touched
571
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:09,960
it.
Maybe there's like he touched
572
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:11,400
it.
That was great.
573
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,320
He was not happy.
He was very strong in his
574
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conviction.
Yeah.
575
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,960
I was going to look for this and
I don't know if I can find it.
576
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,480
Maybe we should do a whole
episode on it.
577
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:25,280
So I'll just allude to it now,
But obviously you wouldn't use
578
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:29,120
AI to do your thinking for you,
obviously, but you can use AI to
579
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:33,720
as a tool to help you.
We use AI like we'll put some
580
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:35,760
stuff in, right?
Hey, organize this and do some
581
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,600
notes and stuff.
But there was a person who was
582
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:44,360
using Claude, a new AI, and
basically said, hey, no bias.
583
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,200
So don't you know, try to.
But out of all the world views,
584
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:50,960
if you were a human, which one
would you be?
585
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:52,320
And you said, I would be a
Christian.
586
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:56,280
And he gave some reasons and
they were just eloquently put.
587
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,720
And one of the reasons was he
was like, the Christian view
588
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,480
makes the most sense in what I
see of mankind.
589
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:08,000
People who can do noble, self
sacrificing acts of goodness
590
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:11,000
because they're made in the
image of God and yet can also be
591
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,120
capable of some of the most evil
that you see because of their
592
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,520
fallen nature.
That's crazy.
593
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:20,360
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And then he said had this one
594
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,960
paragraph, he was like every
other religion says you have to
595
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,400
climb up the ladder.
And this one, you know, the
596
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,880
ladder is brought down and you
like, it's like the work is done
597
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,000
for you and you.
And so it's like it's very
598
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:32,560
different.
It is crazy.
599
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,880
It's like that, like
fundamentally just like reaches
600
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:40,120
to every impulse in you like it.
To me, it like reconciles all
601
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:43,520
the stuff you see that's wrong
because I feel like everyone
602
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:46,960
wants to help the Marge.
It's like, man, everyone has a
603
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,440
heart for it, but it's like,
this is like the perfect way to
604
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:50,920
reconcile all.
All the things.
605
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:54,120
So maybe we can go through his
answers and and maybe an episode
606
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:57,680
and and kind of see if we like
him or not, if I can find the
607
00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,280
original document.
I love it.
608
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:01,080
Yeah, that's good.
A lot of good stuff to think
609
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:05,000
about the series is rap.
See you guys next time.
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That's our take.
Thanks for listening to Take
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TWO.
Find us wherever you find
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podcast and on YouTube for those
who want to watch our video
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cast.
00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:06,120
And today, tonight, we are
recording the closing, the final
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episode of the series.
I like starting series and I
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also like wrapping up series.
Yeah, yeah.
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It's it's good.
The middle, sometimes I get like
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I you got to go through, there's
got to be a middle.
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But sometimes I like any good
book, the beginning is good, the
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middle the the it's like,
especially if you're following a
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character, he or she's going
through a bunch of hard times
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with developing him or her, and
then at the end triumphs over
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the evil one or something like
that.
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That Yeah, it Yeah, that's
right.
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Every good book.
And so we're gonna end this
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series on narrative
juxtaposition by talking about
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one of everyone's favorite Bible
characters, Abed Malek.
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It's just.
Like it's like bedtime stories.
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Everyone's like David and
Goliath, Adam and Eve and Abed
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Malek.
And I like this story because
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it's a lesser known Bible story
and, you know, it's maybe
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juxtaposition is the wrong word.
I think it fits here.
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It's more of a contrast between
and, and I think you'll see
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this, you've seen this in a lot
of what we've talked about.
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The person you expect to do the
right thing does and the person
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you might not expect does the
right thing.
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We saw this in Jonah.
We saw this kind of with Ruth
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and Judges.
It's kind of like a different
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way.
We see these Gentiles responding
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in a way.
Some of these Jewish leaders in
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Matthew, you just, you would
expect them.
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They know more, to be more.
So that's what we're going to
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talk about today.
We'll talk about the Bible
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characters, Jeremiah, Zedekiah
and Abed Molech.
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This is the king who would not
decide, and the servant who did.
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Sounds good.
Let's take it to the next level.
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Let's fire up that twanga music.
From the hearts of the Low
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Country in South Carolina.
It's the Take Two podcast where
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we take theology to the next
level.
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All right, We're talking
Jeremiah Zedekiah and Abed
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Malek.
And as we were saying some of
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these names, Michael made this
timely connection right through
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my face.
Didn't you see it?
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We just talked about a lot of
Maleks.
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Abimelech.
Elimelech.
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Ebed malech and ebed means slave
or servant.
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And I, I remember we had said, I
said Eber, I think, 'cause I
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misremembered.
Obed but it was ebed and then.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So Ebed Obed, that's even
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closer.
And Ebed Malek means servant of
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the king, so man.
Just keep an eye out for those
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maleks.
They will.
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They will like pop up king.
That's so good.
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Well, kind of the thesis.
The central claim in this
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episode, not unlike some of
these other ones is that true
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faithfulness is measured by
things like obedience encourage
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not what you would expect all
the time position, power or
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status that God we know works
through the marginalized look
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works through the overlook the
powerless.
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While those often times that are
in the strong positions in
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authority often fail.
And we'll see this story and
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we'll see this at play in this
story of Jeremiah, Zedekiah, and
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Abed Malek.
So what?
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Let's set the stage, because
this this comes from the book of
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Jeremiah, which most people know
who Jeremiah is.
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They might know a few facts
about him.
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What is what's like the one
thing everyone knows about
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Jeremiah?
He's a weeping.
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That's like, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, because like a lot is not
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the one.
I always think about him.
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Another thing that people
probably know is he got thrown
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down into a pit.
And that that's very timely for
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this story in particular.
So you know, a couple things.
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You probably know some
contextual things, but just for
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fun, let's set the context and
go back in time to Jerusalem
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around 586 BC.
One of those, you know, there's
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not like a if you're thinking
major dates, that's one that
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should kind of hitch you in the
face.
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Not a not a good time for
Jerusalem.
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Yeah, there was a king maybe 50
years before this.
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That was visit.
They had just staved off the
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Assyrians.
The Babylonians visited and
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remember, he took them all
through and showed them all and
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the prophet that that time was
like basically everything you
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showed them.
God's going to judge you for
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this because you have pride and
it's all going to go to them.
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It's like, oh, and so now 586,
that's what's happening.
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Babylon.
The Bills come and do, yeah.
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Under Nebuchadnezzar coming to
the to take them out.
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Man into the picture is exactly
what you said.
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Babylon's army surrounding the
city, There's a siege.
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It's not going well.
It's, it's, it's you know what
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the siege does?
It's going on and on months and
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months.
Food's disappearing.
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People are losing confidence.
You know, everything is rationed
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on this great city of David is
now starting to give way.
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And the king we have is King
Zedekiah, the final king of
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Judah.
And what we do a lot of these
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podcasts talk about what what
names mean.
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His name means Yahweh is
righteous.
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And so he's the guy.
He should be doing the right
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thing at the.
Right time.
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You would think so.
You hope so.
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You want things are going bad.
Is he going to do what's right?
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If you read the story, he fears,
you know, the people he rules.
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He fears the the people from the
outside Babylon who are coming
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to take over.
He fears his own officials.
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And really, it's like analysis
paralysis.
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He's not deciding anything.
He's kind of just freezing in in
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his track.
And we've got this prophet
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Jeremiah that like we mentioned
the weeping prophet and, and
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he's declared that because.
If only Jeremiah had told him
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what to do.
Yeah, if if only he's given this
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message over and over that Judah
just refuses to hear.
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It's not a pretty message.
Judgment's coming.
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Even saying things like you know
Babylon will conquer the city,
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the only thing to do is
surrender like you need to
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surrender.
Fighting this is is not going to
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go anywhere.
Which seems counter it doesn't.
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You can understand like hey, I
trust in God, I don't trust in
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you, I don't believe you.
But I think God showed more than
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one time that Jeremiah was a
true prophet.
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Exactly.
So this message of Jeremiah,
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like Michael said, it's making
these leaders enraged.
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They'll say things like, hey,
Jeremiah, you're a traitor.
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You're you're committing
treason.
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Not only you're being
discouraging, but you are
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showing us disloyalty.
And so they they seek to silence
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him.
He's going to be thrown in this
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pit like you said.
And then this other guy, Abed
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Melek, he is a Kushite Ethiopian
servant in the king score his
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name like you so athlete pointed
out, means servant of the king.
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And what's going to happen is
this king Yahweh is righteous,
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doesn't act rightly and the
servant of the king is the one
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this guy from Ethiopia Cush the
right thing.
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So let let's get into the story.
I don't know if you want to pull
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up Jeremiah.
We'll look at chapter 21 and
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I'll have you read verses 8-9.
And this is really Jeremiah's
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message that he consistently is
preaching year.
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It's not just like once or
twice, but it's like year after
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year after year.
And this is not the one who was
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a bullfrog.
Common misconception.
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What a what a song that just
everyone knows as well.
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All right, Jeremiah 21, eight
through 9, says, You shall also
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say this to the people.
Thus says Yahweh, Behold, I sit
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before you, the way of life and
the way of death.
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He who dwells in this city will
die by the sword, and by famine
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and by pestilence.
But he who goes out and falls
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away to the Chaldeans who are
besieging you, will live, and he
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will have his own life as booty.
Yeah, and we mentioned this.
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This would be shocking.
This is not like good military
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tactics, Jeremiah, to be clear,
he's not like siding with
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Babylon.
He's just like the prophet.
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He's just revealing what God's
saying it's.
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Like when Paul says, hey, if you
jump off the ship, you're gonna
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die.
Stay on the ship, you're gonna
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live.
And people try to start jumping
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off the ship and it's like he's
just telling you.
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The fact, yeah, don't, don't
shoot the messenger.
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He's proclaiming God's judgement
specifically on Judah's
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rebellion and idolatry that you
know, if you've read Scripture,
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generation after generation has
ignored the covenant of
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responsibilities, turn their
back on God.
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They've rebelled and now
judgement has arrived.
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So let's talk a little more
about Zedekiah, who at this
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point like knows Jeremiah is a
true prophet.
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Jeremiah is validated, but he is
very, he's terrified of like
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what his officials are going to
say.
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And so he says one thing public,
one thing publicly, but then he
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wants to meet with Jeremiah
secretly.
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And in Jeremiah chapter 37 verse
17, he's like having this like
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aside in private with Jeremiah.
Says Now King Zedekiah sent and
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took him out, and in his palace
the king secretly asked him and
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said, is there a word from the
Lord?
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And Jeremiah said there is.
Then he said, you'll be given
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into the hand of the king of
Babylon.
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Something to tell.
OK, Yeah, I heard back.
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All that being said, Zedekiah,
like knows Jeremiah speaking
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truth, but he's kind of like in
this halfway, halfway point
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where he, like, wants to, he
like, wants to side with
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Jeremiah.
He knows that's the right thing.
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It's almost.
Like part of God's punishment to
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Israel was a weak leader.
Oh.
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Man, yeah, I, I, I think you're
exactly right.
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And it's like being stuck in
this middle zone where he, like,
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acknowledges y'all.
It's like he's like knows all
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the facts but is not acting on
it this week, leader not not
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following through with what he
knows is to be right.
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So his response is just to not
listen to Jeremiah.
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The, the officials, they,
they're getting sick of Jeremiah
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and all these warnings they
accuse him of like hurting
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morale.
All the soldiers are like, you
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know, not doing well, hearing
that everyone needs to
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surrender.
It's not good luck even saying
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things like, hey, you're
actually trying to hurt our
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people.
And they they actually say, Hey,
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let's execute Jeremiah.
Zedekiah again responds weekly.
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And he he basically takes the
easy way out and says, OK, hey,
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well, you can read it Jeremiah
38.
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Let's look at verse. 55 S King
Zedekiah said, Behold, he is in
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your hands, for the king can do
nothing against you, yeah.
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He's like, hey, I'm, I'm just
the king.
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What can I do?
Like that's a weird.
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Just a figurehead.
So you guys figure he abdicates
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his responsibility and in the
very next verse 6 basically say,
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hey, you can lower them to a
cistern.
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You know, you, you know, it's an
empty cistern.
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There's no water there.
It says in verse 6, there is no
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water in the cistern, only mud.
And Jeremiah sank in the mud.
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And so Jeremiah hares in this
cold, muddy cistern.
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It's probably dark, No food,
really nothing he can do.
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He's just basically.
Wasting away.
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That's he's probably like, I'm
gonna die.
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Here, not Margaritaville.
Not no, not Margaritaville and
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the king does nothing very next
verse, verse seven were
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introduced to Abed Malek, the
Ethiopian who was a servant in
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the King's house.
He was a things of no like we
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get these details about him.
He's a foreigner, he's a
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serpent.
We actually hear he's a eunuch
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as well, yet so he's like, he's
like the unlikely person to act
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cause what?
What's he got invested?
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All the things that are not
highly esteemed in in the Jewish
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economy, yeah.
But we're gonna say he's the one
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who acts.
Go ahead and read verses 8-9.
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This is kind of what we just saw
Jeremiah load in the system.
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This is Abed Malek's response.
And Abednalek went out from the
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King's palace and spoke to the
king, saying, My Lord the king,
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these men have acted wickedly in
all that they have done to
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Jeremiah the prophet, whom they
have cast into the cistern.
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And he will die right where he
is because of the famine, for
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there is no more bread in the
city.
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Very, very.
He's kind of saying everything's
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like this is not right.
Like honestly, the at some level
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the King's like asking Jeremiah
to say what happened.
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Jeremiah says what happens and
then he he's really basically,
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you know, LED down the cistern
to to his.
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So this, you know, servants
confronting the king.
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He's he's going against these
officials accusing them of
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injustice.
He's advocating for Jeremiah
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when no one else would.
And what what maybe not
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surprising we see and this is
actually all happens very fast.
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Verse 10.
We're like going in order here.
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This is Zedekiah's response.
Yeah, and.
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I've.
Even though it happens fast in
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our Bible, is there some?
Time, there might be 8 years.
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I mean, like, you don't, it's
not like you're reading 5
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chapters, but yeah, yeah, yeah,
it's like, easy to follow is
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what?
I easy to follow, but I think
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that Jeremiah does stay in there
for a little bit.
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Yeah, yeah, he says.
Then the king commanded,
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commanded Ebed Melek the
Ethiopian saying, take 30 men
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from here under your authority,
and bring up Jeremiah the
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prophet from the cistern before
he dies.
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Great.
Kind of, you know, he's again
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saying, hey, do what you want to
do.
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I know.
I guess I'm just again, I can't
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do anything.
Abed Malek organizes this rescue
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and and helps bring Jeremiah up
out of the cistern.
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He's lifted out of the pits.
You wanna read verses 12 and 13?
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There's like some like, you
know, imagery.
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There's some details here that
are good 'cause you know then
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ebed Malek the Ethiopian, said
Jeremiah.
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Now put these worn out clothes
and wraths rags underneath your
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armpits under the ropes.
And Jeremiah did so obviously,
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so the the ropes wouldn't, you
know, hurt his skin that's been
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in this mud for forever.
So they pulled Jeremiah up with
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the ropes and lifted him out of
the cistern.
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And Jeremiah stayed in the court
of the guard house.
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Great.
Jeremiah will dive the pit.
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He survives because of this
servant, Abed Malek.
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What's so interesting is God's
message he gives to Abed Malek
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in Jeremiah 39, verses 15
through 18.
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Now the word of Yahweh had come
to Jeremiah while he was
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confined in the court of the
guardhouse, saying, Go and speak
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to a bed and elect the Ethiopian
saying.
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Thus says Yahweh of host, the
God of Israel.
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Behold, I'm about to bring my
words on this city for disaster
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and not for prosperity.
And they will take place before
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you on that day, but I will
deliver you on that day,
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declares Yahweh.
And you will not be given into
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the hand of the men whom you
dread, for I will certainly
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rescue you, and you will not
fall by this sword.
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But you have your own life as
booty, because you have trusted
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in me, declares Yahweh.
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Because of how he acted, he's
like, hey, Jerusalem is going to
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fall.
God's people are being judged,
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but you are gonna be saved
through this.
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You're gonna be OK.
And it's kind of this, you know,
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reversal of, of fortunes where
Abedmelek is gonna experience
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salvation, at least in this
immediate sense.
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And so again, you look at you
look at the names and zoom out,
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you've got Yahweh as righteous.
Zedekiah does not act
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righteously, does not act in
accord with Yahweh's ways.
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Abedmelek, the servant of the
king really behaves more like
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more like a king should then
then a servant we look at
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Jeremiah's name means something
like Yahweh will exalt or Yahweh
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will lift or raise up.
And so though he's, you know,
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thrown down in the pit, he's
vindicated.
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And his message eventually is.
When I got out of the Navy,
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yeah, yeah, I was with, it's a
headhunter and I had some
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interviews and one of the
interviewers asked me, does
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everything fall and rise on
leadership like the saying says,
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And this is what I was trying to
communicate to them.
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I don't think I did a good, good
job communicating it and I did
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not get an offer for a job.
But what I was trying to say is
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everything rises and falls on
action of leadership, but it
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doesn't.
That doesn't always happen at
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the time.
If you could have a weak
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manager, but someone that's like
a good, you know, middle manager
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or something who actually
exercises the leadership that
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the shop workers needed.
That's what I was trying to
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communicate.
But this is, I think, an example
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of that.
You have a king who's not doing
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what's right, and yet there is
someone in a lower position
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rising up to the occasion to
provide the leadership that at
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least Jeremiah, you know, needed
at that time.
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And, and it's so interesting.
It's like we see this kind of
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story in other places, you know,
not too much in the future.
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We see like, you know, Daniel
and his friends are like
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foreigners in the King's court.
The king like listens to him.
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This is like the opposite kind
of thing, but it it's like you
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can be seemingly on the outside,
but working hard.
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I mean, obviously I've been like
had to be respected in some
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sense to be able to get have
given this this leeway.
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But yeah, anyway, another one of
these juxtaposition.
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And and so if we're kind of
rounding out this series, I
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think I think it's maybe helpful
to kind of talk about everything
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just just a little bit.
Some of this pattern we talk
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about Ruth and a lot of it is,
you know, it's like God's got
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these people, but then it's not.
It's almost flies in the face of
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this Black Hebrew Israelite cult
series we recently or episode we
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did where it's like, you know,
it's more this Galatians idea
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where, you know, it's more about
the substance like where where
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is your faith rather than what
your, you know, ethnic identity
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is because Ruth, this Moabite
widow preserves the line of
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David while Israel has collapsed
morally and judges just going
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down this bad road and Jonah,
these Pagan sailors fear the
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Lord.
They act faithfully while
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Jonah's like.
And the people on Nineveh and.
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The people on Nineveh, everyone
except for Jonah is doing the
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right thing.
Judges, national chaos, civil
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war, really terrible thing.
And then we had a couple
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episodes on the Gospels where
the Gentiles, the outsiders,
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they recognize Jesus more
significantly than the religious
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leaders, where Jesus looks at
some of them and says, I have
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not found such faith even in
Israel.
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He marveled at at some of these
sayings.
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And so faithfulness is often
found.
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And the ones you would, at least
as you're reading the story,
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it's like not not who you would
tee it up to be.
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And the kind of the
juxtaposition that we didn't do
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a separate that.
Really, that really was the
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catalyst for all of this.
Right was Judah and Joseph.
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Yeah, 'cause we're like Joseph,
Joseph, Joseph, Joseph, Joseph.
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Oh, and here's Judah and all of
his sins with Tamar and how he
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acted treacherously.
Joseph, Joseph, Joseph.
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Weird.
Yeah.
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And it's like right in the part
where I think it happens right
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around Potiphar.
'S wise, I think exactly.
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Yeah.
And so it's like this is a
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juxtaposition that most I think
I've heard of that one.
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Before, Yeah, yeah, you.
See it?
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It's a little bit more clear,
but if you're not paying
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attention, you're just like, oh,
this is just the next part of
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the story.
Like no, it was put there for
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reason to contrast the
sinfulness of Judah, who
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eventually is the one who Christ
comes through.
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Yeah, totally.
But.
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And and that of Joseph.
So yeah.
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See him in there so good.
There's a million more we could
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do, but I, I think a.
Million.
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We have them.
We have them all numbered.
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We have them radio.
It's good to yeah.
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Be mindful as you're reading
Scripture.
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Some of these overall biblical
connections, because they're
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like all over the place.
You, the more you read, the
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more, yeah, you see them.
That's good.
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Help me try to read with with
more of an eye for these things,
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you know.
Yeah.
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And something that I've done
before and it's difficult to do
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because it requires, especially
if it's a long book, Yeah, is
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copy out all the texts separate
from the chapters, maybe even
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verses.
OK, Yeah.
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And just read it all as one
narrative because sometimes
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chapter and verse breaks.
They your mind shuts off or
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something?
Yeah.
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It it really shuts off like you
know, Paul wrote Roman 7.
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About him?
Struggling with sin.
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That's my take because chapter 8
one verse one says, but now
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there is no condemnation for
those who are in Christ Jesus
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like even those of you who are
you know who are justified and
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are trying to become fully
sanctified.
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You're going to struggle with
sin.
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But guess what, no condemnation
for you.
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That's good.
And but if you just like, oh,
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I'm at the end of seven.
Shut the book.
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The next day I wake up and I
open.
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Up.
It's like a.
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Whole new thought.
It's like, yeah, that Paul put
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those like, so, yeah, if you
can, you can go to something
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like Bible Gateway, copy out the
text.
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You can have it actually leave
the numbers out and just like
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put it in one long document and
then read it and you can write
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it up on it and stuff.
That's good.
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And they have I, I have one, I
think it's just the Gospels.
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I, I'm not read it that much,
but you know, I've got like a
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Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.
That's just like a reader's
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Bible where there's like none of
that in there.
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It's like a book.
And it's like, oh, this is
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Matthew.
And then you read till you get
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to Mark and it just says they
make.
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Paragraphs.
They put Matthew first in that
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book.
Yeah, surprise, surprisingly.
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One other thing I'll say, just
kind of like in that Ruth story,
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it's like you kind of have
echoes to or even in the like
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that judge's story, it's like
you have echoes to like lie,
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like all these things are
connected.
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When I read about Ethiopian
eunuchs, I can't help but think
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of acts or it's like, you know,
there's like, I mean, not that
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it direct, but it's like, you
know, someone who hears this
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message and is believing and is,
you know, it's just, you know,
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interesting.
That it's the unit coup is with
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Esther Oh that's a.
Great.
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Great question.
I don't totally know.
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Maybe Ethiopia was just the
place you go get eunuchs.
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I don't.
Know maybe it is and all the
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stuff I was doing this was like
a while ago, but it's like I
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don't it might be like Cush or
Ethiopia just refers to like a
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very broad area of Africa.
There are places I think it's in
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Jeremiah.
There's like a proverb that
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Jeremiah says or someone says
it's like, can a leopard change
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his spots or Cushite the color
of his skin?
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Like supposedly they had like
very, very dark skin.
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Like they were like very, very,
very dark.
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So, you know, I, I, I don't
know.
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And then I don't know if this is
true or not, but some different
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scholarship I was reading about
specifically the, the Ethiopian
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eunuch in Jeremiah is like, you
know, maybe when it says eunuch,
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it doesn't really mean eunuch.
It means it more means official.
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Yeah.
Yeah, exactly.
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It's like, it's hard to know
because some, you know, so I, I,
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I don't know, it's people like
maybe in the Old Testament it, I
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don't know.
Yeah.
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So there's a lot of different
thoughts.
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I don't.
I had a hard time teasing out
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what is like actually.
Book of Ester does not indicate
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the origin of the eunuch there.
Gotcha.
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You know, yeah.
So there you go.
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That would be really cool if you
know this, this, you know,
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connection there.
Anyway, anything else before the
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final take?
No, that's, that's, this is a
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good episode.
It's a good reminder to read the
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Bible with questioning.
Not like you're questioning
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authority, but like, ask
questions of the text and
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observe, stand back.
And sometimes you've seen a text
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so often that like you know it,
so you don't really read it with
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fresh eyes.
But it's hard to read with fresh
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eyes when you don't have fresh
eyes.
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But you're trying to.
That's right.
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Yeah, yeah.
It is really, really, really
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tough to do that.
But that is yeah.
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Man, I love looking at little
series like this.
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We'll up the, you know, keep you
in suspense.
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What's the next series on this?
You know, on this day of the
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week that that runs.
So we'll see.
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We'll see what happens, what's
going on and you're I did watch
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that Wes Huffer.
I listened to the Wes Huff Diary
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of the Ceoi.
Need to listen to Wes Huff on
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Joe Rogan.
Oh yeah, and this diary of the
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CEO, some Have you heard that
Joe Rogan has basically said he
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basically believes the Christian
story and he probably counts
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himself as a Christian now.
Yeah, I've read some of this
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stuff and the way he talks is
very much less dismissive as it
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like used to be like you, you
can see a progression and things
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he says is, is different.
I've read things about him I
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don't listen enough to.
I I like cherry pick his
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episodes.
If there's like something on
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health or fitness or on really,
it's like something that catches
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my eye.
So I like won't listen to
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anything.
I'll listen to 1.
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But it it the way he talks is
different than it was like years
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ago.
Yeah, because we had mentioned
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when Wes Huff went on there, I
was like, well, I don't know, I
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don't know if I want to listen
to it because when Meyer,
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Stephen Meyer went on there, it
was just like the what if
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question forever.
And someone commented on that
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video and was like, hey, it's
it's a different attitude with
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Joe Rogan and and Wes like he
has.
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Shipped, Yeah.
And he, Wes does a good job.
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Where I think where Joe Rogan is
going to have trouble is in some
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of the like sciency stuff.
He's like, he said something
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that was one podcast.
Maybe it was on the Wes Huff.
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It was one podcast and he's
like, you know, Adam and Eve,
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like like that kind of stuff.
I I don't know if he's like
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there with some of that like is
that literal?
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Like that's just like we came
from monkeys and like that's
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like his thing.
I think he like that whole
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conversation.
He's a harder time with versus
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like some of the questions with
Wes Huff and what Yeah, it does
497
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seem like it is different and a
lot of like where he's waning
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like politically and stuff.
He he's really big on if
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something is true, just say it's
true.
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And there's, you know, with all
of COVID and you know, you know,
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politicians saying things and
act like, you know, So I think
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that's like shifted him as well.
But it is interesting where I
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have a hard time like knowing
exactly.
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I think Jordan Peterson, who I'm
not sure you know, we would say
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he's a Christian either, but
it's like he's like all wrapped
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up in the all these stories in
the way when they talk.
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But it is it is interesting that
I don't think he would have had
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he wouldn't have like the
interaction with Westheff was
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like very well, I wish with this
dire CEO.
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It's really positive with this
dire CEO guys like clearly not
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not a Christian, but he handled
really like he would ask Wes
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like so would you say I'm going
to hell like or you know, and
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Wes would like answer it like in
a pretty good way.
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00:26:42,360 --> 00:26:46,080
Greg Kochel did a little bit of
cover on this, and he was very
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happy with Wes's response.
And he was like, he didn't move
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away from the objection, but he
was very kind in what he said.
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But it's very straightforward in
what he said.
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So it was great, yeah.
Yeah, he, he's, he's killing it
519
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and gave like, whatever that
guy's name is, like a little
520
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,120
manuscript he made kind of
thing, you know, doing his
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thing.
So it was good.
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00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:09,840
And I, I don't listen to a lot
of the Dire CEO podcasts, but it
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seems like I could tell more on
this one, how edited they are,
524
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where he like cuts stuff out and
compresses it.
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00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,680
I think you mentioned, like Greg
Kochl said, I never knew that,
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but even I was, I was like, oh,
I bet.
527
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:23,120
It seems like he cut a lot out.
Greg said, yeah, I gave 2 points
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on something and I have my main
point and then I have kind of my
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point that kind of back that
point up and like my main point
530
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,960
was totally gone and what was
released and only you got like
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my backup point.
So it kind of seemed out of
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00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:36,920
place a little bit.
Yeah, I.
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00:27:37,120 --> 00:27:38,200
I could.
He's like, I could tell.
534
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:41,560
He's like, and I don't think
that they necessarily do it on
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purpose, that they just have
certain time constraints and
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00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:46,800
they're trying to.
'Cause it's already a long
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00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:50,760
podcast and if you don't know
they edit it, it almost sounds
538
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:52,160
like they don't edit, it just
flows.
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00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,320
So they probably just like try
to make it flow.
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00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,520
But knowing what he's about
Coco, I was like, oh, I bet he
541
00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,320
cut out something because I was
like, why didn't he say this
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00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:00,520
basic thing?
But it seems like he was
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00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,120
alluding to it.
But overall I thought it was
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00:28:03,120 --> 00:28:05,360
like really well done.
He does come off.
545
00:28:05,360 --> 00:28:08,080
Maybe it's like the Canadian in
them that like comes off as like
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being very like kind and not
aggressive.
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00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:11,560
You know what I mean?
That probably helps out.
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00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,240
Canadians.
Well, I wasn't, I wasn't going
549
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:18,320
to say Canadians are more kind,
but that I've seen, you know,
550
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:23,440
especially with this, the
curling.
551
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,120
Oh yeah, and the hockey thing.
I was like, well, not all
552
00:28:26,120 --> 00:28:28,120
Canadians are.
Dude, that curling thing.
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00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,080
Was crazy.
It is crazy.
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00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,520
He's like, I'm not cheating.
And then like, then there's like
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00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,200
they said, oh, we got a camera
set up.
556
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,360
So what's the deal?
I I only saw that part of it.
557
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,400
Yeah.
Like if it happens, you just
558
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,760
police yourself, like, no.
Or they, like the ref, could
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00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:44,200
call it.
Seems like the ref should do.
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00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:44,600
Something.
Yeah.
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00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:45,800
Yeah, I was.
Like why are you not
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disqualified?
Because.
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00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,680
It's on.
The whole thing is you're let go
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00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:51,560
of that handle and you're not
supposed to touch it again.
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00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:55,200
But if you kind of see, oh, I'm
just a half a degree off, I can
566
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just give it a little nudge and
it'll help.
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And of course, that's a that's a
huge advantage.
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00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,360
That's great, 'cause I was like,
I feel like unless it was like
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00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:06,920
so subtle, but on all the camera
stuff I saw, I was like, oh,
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00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,120
it's like clear.
It's not like maybe he touched
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00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:09,960
it.
Maybe there's like he touched
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00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:11,400
it.
That was great.
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00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,320
He was not happy.
He was very strong in his
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conviction.
Yeah.
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00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,960
I was going to look for this and
I don't know if I can find it.
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00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,480
Maybe we should do a whole
episode on it.
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00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:25,280
So I'll just allude to it now,
But obviously you wouldn't use
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00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:29,120
AI to do your thinking for you,
obviously, but you can use AI to
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00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:33,720
as a tool to help you.
We use AI like we'll put some
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00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:35,760
stuff in, right?
Hey, organize this and do some
581
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,600
notes and stuff.
But there was a person who was
582
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:44,360
using Claude, a new AI, and
basically said, hey, no bias.
583
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,200
So don't you know, try to.
But out of all the world views,
584
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:50,960
if you were a human, which one
would you be?
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00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:52,320
And you said, I would be a
Christian.
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00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:56,280
And he gave some reasons and
they were just eloquently put.
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00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,720
And one of the reasons was he
was like, the Christian view
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00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,480
makes the most sense in what I
see of mankind.
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00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:08,000
People who can do noble, self
sacrificing acts of goodness
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because they're made in the
image of God and yet can also be
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00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,120
capable of some of the most evil
that you see because of their
592
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,520
fallen nature.
That's crazy.
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00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:20,360
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And then he said had this one
594
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,960
paragraph, he was like every
other religion says you have to
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00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,400
climb up the ladder.
And this one, you know, the
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00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,880
ladder is brought down and you
like, it's like the work is done
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00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,000
for you and you.
And so it's like it's very
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00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:32,560
different.
It is crazy.
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00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,880
It's like that, like
fundamentally just like reaches
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to every impulse in you like it.
To me, it like reconciles all
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00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:43,520
the stuff you see that's wrong
because I feel like everyone
602
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:46,960
wants to help the Marge.
It's like, man, everyone has a
603
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,440
heart for it, but it's like,
this is like the perfect way to
604
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:50,920
reconcile all.
All the things.
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00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:54,120
So maybe we can go through his
answers and and maybe an episode
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00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:57,680
and and kind of see if we like
him or not, if I can find the
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00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,280
original document.
I love it.
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00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:01,080
Yeah, that's good.
A lot of good stuff to think
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00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:05,000
about the series is rap.
See you guys next time.
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That's our take.
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