Miracles: Awe, Authority, and the God Who Acts

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All right, Zach, yeah, it's a
little bit late, OK.

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Today, kind of back on Mott time
instead of being like right at

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seven.
Yeah, it wasn't that bad.

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Wasn't it last few times you've
been like Johnny on the spot?

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Yeah, yeah, I want to respect
your time and it was a big

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laundry day for me.
OK, yeah, laundry.

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And right before I, I, right
before I was about to leave, my

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last load got done.
I was like, you know what, I'm

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just going to power through,
fold these that way for the

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week.
Good, good to go.

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And then I was driving over and
I remembered I had not bought.

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Is it OK for me to say we're
gonna?

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Lose a lot of viewers.
I was.

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Kidding, I had not purchased
Powerball tickets yet.

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Wow.
For this 1.8 Estimated 1.8.

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Yeah, a couple thoughts on this.
First, is there how progressive,

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how progressive of you on 2
fronts.

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You do the laundry, not all
Jill.

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And then you know, you've,
you're doing a little gambling.

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I think you go back in time, you
know, maybe some fundamentalist

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would not be super thrilled with
this.

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Yeah, my I.
On both accounts, they might be

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like, hey, get a control of your
household, make chills to be

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doing laundry.
Yeah, So what we decided for on

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the laundry front is that
everyone just does their own,

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even our kids, except for
Phoebe.

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Except for Phoebe, yeah, we just
do our own.

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And it, it was fine.
I was used to doing laundry.

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Both my parents worked.
And I remember being like in 3rd

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grade and not having, you know,
like, I don't have any clean

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clothes, like, and that that may
seem like, oh, that's bad.

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And this is not to be bad to my
parents because they were like,

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got up early, worked all day,
came home, you know, tried to

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put, you know, food on table,
that kind of thing.

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And I was just like, if I want
clean clothes that I can wear,

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I, I need to probably start
managing that myself.

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And so feel like I learned some,
you know, you, you get a little

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bit more maturity doing that.
Kind of thing.

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That's good.
So it's not that big of a bill.

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I will say by contrast, did not
learn how to do laundry until I

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was in college and I I was not
good the first few times when I

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had to learn.
I grew up in a household where

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like I don't know what
everyone's got different rules

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on this.
I've learned Leanne had

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different perspective on this.
But I grew up like, oh, you wear

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like, like you take, you wear
pajamas or everything.

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That's only one time deal.
You use a towel one time deal,

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everything's washed immediately.
All the time.

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Yeah.
That's how Jill's parents will

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reuse the towel.
And neither one of us are like a

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towel.
I when I was in college, I would

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like maybe use the towel once or
twice, but I had like this place

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where it could hang out and just
get completely dry.

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And if you don't have something
like that and you're wearing a,

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you're reusing a damp towel.
And I'm not.

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Not about that life.
Yeah.

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Well, anyway, still not great at
laundry.

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To the safe.
I could.

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I could probably do laundry.
Yeah, but there's a good chance.

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If you don't use bleach and you
don't use hot water.

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There's not You're safe you.
Can you're pretty safe.

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I, I put all my yeah, I, I know
me saying this, some people went

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yeah, I put all my hang up
clothes together.

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So like my pants, my shirts that
that have to get hang up 'cause

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I I'm very careful when we get
them immediately out of the

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dryer so that I don't have to
iron those.

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Yeah, you gotta be on the.
On everything else, like

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whatever it just goes together
like my this well, this shirt

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would go on my hang up, but like
you know, my shorts socks.

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That's just take two shirt hang
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Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
And my undershirt, all that just

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goes together.
So that's.

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Pretty easy.
Do you separate darks and

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diversity baby?
Yeah, yeah, that's right.

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And also also progressive.
Yeah, just kidding.

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But yeah.
So I didn't want to I I derailed

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from you potentially being a
billionaire.

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Oh, yeah, yeah.
So I was, I was wondering, you

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know, if if you, you haven't
bought tickets yet.

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I I haven't, I'm actually I, I
thought about it today and I

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just didn't.
I mean, we'd have to get done

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early.
You might still have time.

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I think you go over to Harry
Teeter and buy some.

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What'd you buy some tonight if
we get done?

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If we get done on time, I will
do it.

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And it's one of those things
it's like if next episode we're

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in a much nicer place, you know,
we won.

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Yeah, that's.
What I was gonna say like, if

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you win, do you want to keep
podcasting?

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Would you you want to keep on
like?

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Only podcast.
I'm like, that's my what I do.

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I don't know.
You know, hey, just build a spot

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studio and we're just
podcasting.

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That's just podcasting.
Yeah, So, man, 1.8 Bill, I

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didn't look this up for fun.
So you know what the odds are

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for this?
Do you know this?

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It's is it like one in like 297
million?

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Close to basically two 92.2
million, you're way off.

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And then obviously the stories
about like, you win your life's

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terrible, you know, but what
difference?

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Right, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's like I watched this guy.

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I I've watched a little short on
a guy, the guy who won the 2.04

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million.
Yeah, November.

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And he took a lump sum, which I
wouldn't take.

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A lump back call.
Wow.

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The lump sum cash option went
from 2 billion after tax on this

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to 800 million.
Is that insane?

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After taxes.
Yeah, yeah.

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After that it's like insane.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So it's 800 million.
That's a lot of money.

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It is a lot of money.
Yeah, to have instantly, yeah,

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yeah.
But the he bought like this like

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huge, like 40,000 square feet
homes in Los Angeles, Las Vegas

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and maybe someplace else like
San Francisco.

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I'm like that doesn't that
doesn't appeal to me.

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Like yeah, new tuba.
Absolutely new.

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Tuba would be coming, maybe a
new, new vehicles.

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You know, it seems like, you
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life where our vehicles always
have just something a little bit

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wrong with them.
It's like to not have that

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stress would be nice.
That that, that would, that

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would be nice.
So yeah, maybe we'll you'll get

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lucky, you'll win.
Jill, Jill said.

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Should we offered to just pay
everyone at Northwind Academy's

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tuition for?
A year.

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Oh, that'd be really nice.
Yeah.

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That'd be great.
Yeah.

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I hope you win.
It'd be great.

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Yeah.
I was talking to a buddy of mine

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who works in Florida and he's
like, hey, man, I got $8000 a

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kid from this vouchers for
school.

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I was like, yeah, that's like
the perfect.

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It's like perfect for Northwood.
And then he's like, hey, you get

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your kid diagnosed with ADHD,
it's extra 22000.

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He's like, it's not that hard to
get in time.

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I was like, well, he's like
doctors will.

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Do it.
I'm like.

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Why don't I be gaming the
system?

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But that's you.
Know but.

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Anyway, that I was like, you
know, there you go, it would be

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nice 'cause it's like that
sweet.

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I was like, oh, North would be
great.

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But I'm sure I don't know if
that I don't know what the

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studies are to private schools
go up in price because the

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market's there.
I don't know what the.

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May be maybe?
Because there's more demand or

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you know, but anyway, yeah,
we'll see.

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So while I was getting the
tickets last little bit of

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Bantra, I also got us some
prime.

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Oh yeah, I just.
I've.

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Never had prime before.
I've seen it advertised.

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I actually, I opened it and then
I didn't drink it because I was

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like, oh, I should save this for
the podcast.

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I got ice pop.
I have the cherry freeze.

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Man hydration, baby.
This was my amends for being a

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little bit late.
There you go.

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Hey, be late more often.
It's actually really good.

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Oh yeah, that's pretty good.
You're not allergic to coconut.

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Right, I am deathly allergic to.
Is that gonna be a problem?

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Yeah, it contains coconut water.
That's good.

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Is this supposed to be good for
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I think it's supposed to be
pretty good.

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It's gluten free, caffeine free
now they also have a prime

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energy drink.
And this is not the energy.

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Drink this is not the energy
drink.

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When I have when Clay brings me
a drink, I, I, I tell him to

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bring the prime 1.
So I think it's a little bit

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lighter on the the other stuff.
Oh, gotcha.

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Yeah, this is really good.
There you go.

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I'm ready to do the podcast now.
All right, all right, ready.

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Speaking of miracles, that's the
topic.

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Hey, if you win, is that a
miracle?

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Maybe, you know, maybe it's like
a one in 292.7 million chance,

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is that right?
Yeah.

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What?
What at what point in time does

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it become in your benefit to buy
every single combination?

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Right.
How much money would it have to

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be?
That's actually true.

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'Cause it's three, it have to be
well, you'd not break even.

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Yeah, it's, they probably have
it set a certain.

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Well, I guess if it keeps going
up, there'd be some someone who

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would just buy everything up,
some billionaires cause like

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it's free money, I guess after
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Yeah, I don't know.
Yeah, it's like that's where.

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It gets that'd be risky and then
if you split it with someone

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'cause that happened to hit.
It Yeah, that would be bad.

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That's true, man.
Well, I'm excited to talk about

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miracles.
Let's take it to the next level

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from the hearts of the Low
Country in South Carolina.

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It's the Take Two podcast where
we take theology to the next

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level.
Well, well, we talked about

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Powerball maybe being a miracle.
If you would, can can I tell you

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what I definitely know is not a
miracle?

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What's that?
Childbirth.

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I'd love to say because everyone
says the miracle, what a miracle

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it was.
I'm like, it's not a miracle.

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No, I know.
That's like such a cliche.

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I mean such a phrase, you know.
Yeah, there's someone that I

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think both of us know who asked
me.

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Don't you think it's a miracle
when a child's born?

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I'm like.
It's actually.

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And the person was not happy
with my answer.

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I was like, no, I don't like.
It's actually the opposite of

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America.
Like literally the opposite of

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a.
Miracle.

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Yeah, Yeah.
Yeah.

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So I think This is why it's a
good topic, because everyone is

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familiar with there's some.
Sports There's some sports

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famous sports thing is it when
we.

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Miracle on Ice.
And where he says, Do you

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believe in miracles?
I think that's it, I think.

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That's the Miracle on Ice,
right?

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The.
I think, I think that's it.

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So it's like teasing out.
It's a popular phrase that

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people don't want miracles.
People know that it's something

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unlikely.
That's probably like the, but it

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is also used on things that are
not.

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Not that rare.
You know, it's kind of all over

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the spectrum.
Because all of us got here by a

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birth right.
Every every single one of us.

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So that is like verbatim, you
know, scientific, scientific

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method, reproducible,
observable.

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Like, it's definitely not a
miracle.

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Yeah.
So anyway, let's, let's talk

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about it because we like to be
precise with our language, you

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know, and I think, I think it is
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childbirth because I, I get what
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If you're using it as a phrase,
like you're not using it

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precisely, You know, just like
if you were like, the cat's got

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my tongue.
I'm not like, oh, the cat

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really, really grabbed your
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I I know what you mean, but it
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Way And but before we launch
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saying, but on another level,
like the fact that they're we're

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made out of matter and we can
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aware of each other, interact
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I can like lift my arm like and
and I know that you're like, but

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like those things like all speak
to something non physical going

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on.
I guess that's not miraculous,

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but it's, yeah, it's if it's
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materialistic world, I guess
that's.

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I guess that's one thing.
Yeah, I like it.

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Well, one, one person I go to
often, not because I think

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they're right about everything,
but I think they are very clear

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and I think they are actually
very right on a lot of things.

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Wayne Grudem, his systematic
theology in particular, is just

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very accessible.
It's like, oh, why doesn't

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everyone just at least say it so
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It's like, you know.
And he defines a miracle as

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follows.
A miracle is a less common kind

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of God's activity in which he
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and bears witness to himself.
Which honestly sounds like a

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little bit.
Like a child birth.

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Yeah, yeah yeah.
Or a beautiful sunset so.

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You know, and, and what he what
he does is he talks about, you

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know, what a miracle is.
And then he also contrasts, I

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think very helpfully, what a
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through some of these and then
we can, you know, as we talk

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through these, understand it a
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A miracle reveals God's
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Scott's entered.
It's purposeful.

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It confirms his word.
It bears witness to him.

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Rare or unusual, it stands out
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That's another word.
What's ordinary, mean,

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observable meant to inspire awe
and points to God and what

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miracle is not?
Yeah, I.

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Was just going to ask like, what
if you you're about to lose your

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farm and you plant potatoes and
you pray and you have faith like

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potatoes and that and they come
up and is that a miracle?

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You know, I think a lot of
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miracle on one hand.
But if we're looking at this

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like precise definition, that is
something that happens like rain

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happens.
Maybe if it rains like, and it

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was like -10° and you not, you
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you're like, oh, normally it
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rain.
Yeah, like, and you're like, oh,

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like the laws of weather have
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something different.
Maybe.

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I would say that is a miracle.
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Or if the sun stood still.
That would be a miracle.

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That would be a miracle.
So it's not ordinary Providence,

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which is what you were alluding
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Something normal happens, or
ordinary normal might be the

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wrong word.
Not merely uplifting or

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emotionally encouraging.
Because I think people are like,

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that's a miracle when it's like
a very emotional thing.

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This one's interesting.
It's not magic.

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It must have a moral or
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So Grudem's framework.
Harry Potter not miraculous.

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Yeah, now.
Yeah, yeah.

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No, no, no, but.
It's not like it's formulaic.

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I think that's what he's saying.
It's not like.

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It's a ritual that we do.
Say, and it releases some power

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or something like that then and
that.

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And that's right.
You know, Harry Potter is

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fantasy.
It's not real.

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It's not a documentary.
It might be so.

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there are people who try to do
spells and that's more in the

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occult and stuff that we're
told, you know, to stay away

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from.
So you know, a storm stopping

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ordinary Providence, Jesus
stopping a storm with his words.

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Yeah.
That might be more of a miracle.

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Yeah, and if you look at the
Greek company there, 'cause I

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I've preached on the storm,
that's good.

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Yeah, there is this word.
It's mega, and it's a word for

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earthquake seismos, mega seismos
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And that's how it's described in
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Like it was just shake, like it
was just a storm that was

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shaking them like an earthquake.
And then he says peace be still

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and is immediately still.
That's not ordinary.

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Not ordinary.
Yeah.

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Yeah, right.
Yeah, that's a good point.

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Some misconceptions about
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This goes to Powerball.
Anything surprising or lucky,

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like, oh, I got in a car
accident and I think maybe this

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could be a miracle.
But I think when most people

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talk about it, they're like, oh,
I got in a car accident.

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Miraculously, I walked away
unscathed.

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There's something and it
probably, you know, depends on

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what you're talking about.
Most of the time you're probably

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not talking about like a
miraculous event.

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And so just to to fine tune
this, you could have something

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where you can say man God, it
seems clear God was, Providence

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was.
In that, that's a good

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distinction, but that's not.
What we're saying is miraculous.

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Yeah, because almost God's
Providence, normal under normal

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circumstances, is not a miracle,
as he's holding the universe

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together under these certain
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So that's good because it can be
God's in control no matter what.

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It doesn't mean God was absent
because it wasn't a miracle,

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right?
We can say, hey man, God was

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sovereign in this situation and
saved that person and by his

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Providence he walked away with
with, you know, a scratch and

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one bruise or something.
So by way of application, next

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time you have a church like
testimony time, it's like a

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miracle.
You grab that mic and you say,

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no Sir, it wasn't God wasn't
control, but that was not a

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miracle.
Sit down.

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That's not a miracle.
Not a miracle, that's great.

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Another misconception.
It's not any good thing

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happening.
Like, oh, I got a promotion,

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it's a miracle.
Like again, maybe you would say

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that as like a idiom or
something, but hopefully you

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wouldn't literally mean it was a
miracle.

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Healthy baby.
There you go.

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That that is definition of
ordinary Providence, not

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extraordinary.
Same thing.

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Maybe because we're
constricting, maybe unexplained

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phenomena.
Maybe this like, teeters on the

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edge a little bit.
Like maybe you don't.

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You don't know exactly what this
means.

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Yeah.
Does it?

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Doesn't mean it's a miracle.
Bigfoot.

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Blurry creatures.
Clay thorough, clay thorough.

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Clay thorough.
Is he here?

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It's great mainly.
And and with miracles we see in

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Scripture, they serve a purpose,
not just happen, just to happen.

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You know, it makes this thing
that's not mainly for spectacle.

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All might be a byproduct, but
it's not the primary goal just

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in and of itself.
Yeah, and it seems like they're

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always there to like
authenticate.

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Yeah, we see that a lot right
now that, that that is good.

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So big picture, true biblical
miracles, they are

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extraordinary.
They are God's Sinner.

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They confirm God's word and they
reveal him as Lord.

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And so it's good.
So yeah.

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So maybe like you survive this
crazy river events, you should

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have drowned.
Maybe not a miracle crossing the

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Red Sea because it's split.
That is a miracle, right?

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Yeah.
Yeah.

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So maybe winning a lottery
versus and being able to pay for

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LASIK versus being blind and
being healed, those are

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different things.
That's really good.

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So that that's kind of setting
stuff up, the definition, that

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kind of thing.
What I love is this frequency,

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this timeline of miracles,
because I think you can look at

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the Bible and be like miracles
every other page.

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Yeah.
And there are a lot of miracles.

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And it's the same God today.
If he was doing miracles, then

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we can expect them today.
What?

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Right.
Yeah.

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Yeah, right.
They're like, why did they?

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It's like miracles all through
the Bible.

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I'll stop.
Putting that in a box.

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Is that?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Right, right.
So fun quick question.

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I would not have known this.
Looked it up.

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How many miracles record in
Scripture?

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Yeah, take a.
Blind guess you have no idea.

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Around 250.
That's a miracle Nailed it

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around 250.
But what's crazy about it?

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It's not like every other pages
of miracle.

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It's like maybe there are parts
of scripture where it's like 5

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times on a page and then there's
sections no?

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Miracles.
I wonder if like creation gets

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counted in there like the
creation next to me.

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Hello, did they count that like
6 different miracles?

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Oh yeah, yeah.
How do you that's probably part

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of the challenge.
Like do you count something as

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one or break it out with subsets
or even?

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Count, Yeah.
Or even.

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Yeah, yeah.
But they are clustered into

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these key periods where it's not
like miracle, miracle miracles

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are rare, right?
Like it's not all of the time.

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Like, didn't.
I'm trying to think, did

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anything miraculous happen in
the whole life of David?

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Right.
Well.

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I mean, God spoke to him, does
that right?

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Are we call that where?
We call that.

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Rise to the level of a miracle.
Yeah, like his life.

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Yeah, probably not a whole lot
got, like we were saying before,

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very providential and or
something, but but not

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miraculous.
And that might be surprising

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because you feel like the Bible
is just miracles everywhere.

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That's a good point.
Saul prophesied, Spirit came on

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him and he prophesied, and
they're like those Saul numbered

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among the prophets.
Is that a miracle?

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I'm trying to.
I'm just trying to.

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Think like like people you.
Prominent people that like David

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lived his whole life and like
was this giant in the faith

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although he had his faults.
Solomon the temple filled with

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smoke when they dedicated it
like God was.

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Entering it like does that.
Count.

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I think that probably is like
testimonial that the Lord's

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Spirit is dwelling there, but
no.

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And then you have all these
kings and there are miracles

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like sprinkled in there.
But it's not like every king has

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40 different miracles, you know?
It's.

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A kind of like heal, you know,
there's these things, this whole

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city surrounded and all, you
know.

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These kind of things highly
clustered around certain profits

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more than a certain.
Yeah, Profits is probably right.

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That's probably the right way
to.

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Jericho coming down, I think we
could call that a miracle.

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I mean, I've heard bad trumpet
play in my life, but nothing

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that would bring down the walls
of a city.

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Well, let's let's go through
redemptive history and.

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I should just look at your notes
creation itself.

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We'll start.
We're going to count creation as

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miracles.
We'll count flood that it's a

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natural disaster.
But you know, what?

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Do you have a flood of this
proportion?

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You know, for you know?
And it's used as judgment and.

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Right specific.
Vindicates Noah.

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Right.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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There you go.
So out of the gate we have some

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miracles.
Let's think Tower of Babel.

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That is a miracle with the
languages being confused.

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Abraham and Isaac, you know, we
would say science is not saying

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that people at a certain I
wonder what the oldest mother

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has been in like a court of
history.

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So we're saying because I was, I
was like, what's a miracle?

455
00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:36,280
But the fact that Isaac is
conceived and born by 100 year

456
00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:37,240
old people.
Right.

457
00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:38,600
Yeah.
That's probably miraculous.

458
00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:40,240
Probably.
That's probably miracle.

459
00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:43,880
I was like on the mountain.
He didn't get long so.

460
00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:49,080
When we get to Abraham, to
Joseph, we got all these

461
00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:51,080
patriarchs, miracles galore,
right?

462
00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:52,600
Not.
Not really.

463
00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:56,280
That might be surprising that
you would think.

464
00:21:56,680 --> 00:22:02,960
I wonder how Rudham classifieds
the Lord speaking to someone or

465
00:22:03,360 --> 00:22:06,480
showing up like 'cause I'm
thinking for.

466
00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:09,120
Like Jacob wrestling.
Jacob.

467
00:22:09,120 --> 00:22:11,880
Himself but you would be like.
I could think it was Israel, his

468
00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:14,160
name afterwards, but yeah, yeah,
yeah.

469
00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:17,640
So, and we're not saying there's
maybe no miracles in here, but

470
00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:20,720
when we get to that place, few
and far between, because when we

471
00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:24,800
get to Moses and Joshua, we know
there's a huge spike.

472
00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,000
These plagues are happening in
the left and right.

473
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:28,280
Yeah, yeah.
You know, people are throwing

474
00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:31,600
stabs and churning the snakes
like when Moses and turning, you

475
00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:33,200
know, water into blood and all
this stuff.

476
00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:36,240
Is it literally blood?
I've asked this question on this

477
00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:38,480
podcast before.
No one has, no one commented or

478
00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:41,480
said anything.
I I would it seems like maybe

479
00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:42,400
it's literally blood.
I don't.

480
00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:44,160
With platelets.
Oh yeah.

481
00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:47,400
So does it.
This is like a huge giant scab

482
00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:51,520
on the top of the the Nile.
That's like, that's like, yeah.

483
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,160
Yeah, maybe.
Well, I don't know what we'll

484
00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:55,440
have to.
We'll have to, I don't know.

485
00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,040
But wait, I'm going back to your
walls of Jericho and stuff.

486
00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:03,040
If you, if you like, compress
Moses and Joshua together and

487
00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:07,000
really look at Joshua's life and
it's almost like a reproduction

488
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:10,000
of Moses's even like crossing
the Jordan, crossing the road.

489
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,400
You can like, map these miracles
on top of each other and it's

490
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:16,640
like very close to each other
where God's clearly, you know,

491
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:20,320
calling in Joshua.
Miraculously to drink some place

492
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,120
I can't remember.
I'll have to look this up

493
00:23:22,120 --> 00:23:24,000
because I've read, I've read
something a long time ago that

494
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:25,880
was like mapping all these
things and I don't know if it

495
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,440
was overdoing it or not.
I don't, I don't remember exact.

496
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:31,480
I remember the concept more than
all the details.

497
00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:35,320
But this was a unique time in
Israel history where forming a

498
00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:37,720
nation, entering the promised
land like.

499
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:42,480
And God's needing to what was
the word, authenticate himself

500
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,560
to these people who grew up in
these Pagan.

501
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:50,040
That's right, Egypt.
And so I see, you know, God's

502
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:54,720
sovereign plan in the bad report
from the 10 spies coming back

503
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:56,800
and he's not going to let that
generation die out.

504
00:23:56,800 --> 00:24:01,080
And so basically you get this
generation that grew up whole

505
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:04,480
wholly new and they don't
they're going to have far fewer

506
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:06,600
ties to Egypt than that other
generation.

507
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:10,160
And and he's used miracles
during that time to say I am

508
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:11,400
your God.
I am your God.

509
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:11,680
Yeah.
That.

510
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:13,400
That's really good.
So that's like really high point

511
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:17,200
#1 high point #2 again, you have
these.

512
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,680
It's interesting looking at you
have these pairs of people like

513
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,000
Moses, Joshua.
Then you have Elijah, Elijah.

514
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,680
And I think you can see a lot of
similarities between some of

515
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,440
what they do as well.
But you see miracles left and

516
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:32,920
right, you know when they are on
the scene a lot as as well,

517
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:36,240
confirming, authenticating that
they are prophets of the living

518
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:40,120
God and doing a lot.
So the king that I had some foot

519
00:24:40,120 --> 00:24:46,160
disease and he shoots an arrow
or something and the shadow goes

520
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:50,360
and his his death is like saved
for seven years or something

521
00:24:50,360 --> 00:24:51,400
like that.
You know what I'm talking about.

522
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:55,760
Yeah.
I mean, I guess there's

523
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,160
something, right?
Like just someone surviving a

524
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:02,800
disease may or may not be, but
if you're told like hey, you're

525
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:06,800
about to die right now, you're
going to live 7 more years and

526
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:08,720
you die exactly 7 more years,
there's probably.

527
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:10,480
Something that's kind of crazy.
Yeah, yeah.

528
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:14,280
Yeah, I'm trying to think of
other things outside of Elijah

529
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,640
and Elijah.
Oh yeah, during that time.

530
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:18,840
Right.
Yeah, Yeah, I know.

531
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:22,160
I could try trying to put that
together.

532
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:25,120
That's, you know, a lot of
miracles there.

533
00:25:25,360 --> 00:25:28,120
Go ahead.
You go to the exile.

534
00:25:28,120 --> 00:25:31,800
So if you go post exile, like we
did the series on Ezra and

535
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,240
Nehemiah, not on a miracle.
It's not a lot.

536
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,360
They're they're probably wishing
there was more miracles.

537
00:25:36,360 --> 00:25:38,760
They're like building this wall.
Like they build it pretty fast,

538
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:40,760
but not miraculously.
Yeah, yeah, fast.

539
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,560
During during exile, Daniel, we
see some miracles, most notably

540
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:46,480
this fiery furnace.
And it's like, oh, they're not

541
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,600
being consumed.
That's strange.

542
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:50,200
Now you were eaten by a lion
Day.

543
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:52,240
Was that a?
Was that a miracle?

544
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,040
Right.
So, yeah, I, I that's right.

545
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:58,040
I wasn't.
I don't know if it changes it

546
00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:00,560
that, yeah, that's a good
question that yeah, these lion's

547
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:02,640
mouths were shut.
Yeah, but you if you were thrown

548
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,320
into a lion's den, then, then.
That that's the natural that's

549
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:08,040
going to happen.
Handwriting on the wall, that's.

550
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,520
Unusual.
Many manually hustle.

551
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:12,440
Target yeah, whatever it is
yeah.

552
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:16,880
So not as many miracles, but
these miracles really stand out

553
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:20,000
as a pretty significant.
We're with the rusty Old

554
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,200
Testament, not a ton of
miracles.

555
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,600
It's granted Moses, Joshua,
Elijah, Elisha would make up a

556
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:30,760
lot of the Old Testament, but
it's not like we're seeing them.

557
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:33,160
They're more than that.
But it's like that.

558
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:37,600
That was really the high moments
of of Scripture maybe.

559
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:39,920
Some in the judges.
Right.

560
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:41,760
Yeah.
So, Judges, let's go.

561
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:45,920
So we got Atnil, we got Shamgar,
we got Ehud.

562
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:47,720
Ehud was the guy, I couldn't
remember the other.

563
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:48,520
Day.
Oh yeah, that's right.

564
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,240
Yeah, Deborah.
Then we get to Gideon.

565
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:53,720
I'm.
I'm very in judge with my kids,

566
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:55,680
so I just do it.
So it's like, I was like, I, I.

567
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,720
Just show that's a miracle that
you know.

568
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:04,320
Those we just did it and I I
went through judges because I

569
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:06,960
guess Jayden's class at
Northwood is and I was like, and

570
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:08,200
we were talking about the
Samsung podcast.

571
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,200
I was like, you get you guys put
it in the judges and Jayden went

572
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:13,480
Akhneel E Hadshamgar and I was
like, what?

573
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,120
And he was like, Oh, we just did
this at Northwood.

574
00:27:15,120 --> 00:27:17,200
I was like, OK, OK, I was like,
oh, let it be fun to go through

575
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:18,640
it.
So I was like, how did you just

576
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:24,320
pull those first three out?
But yeah, so we've got, you

577
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,480
know.
As it depends on whether you

578
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,440
call like a visit from the Lord
a miracle or not, because

579
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:32,280
Gideon's visited.
That's right, yeah.

580
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,840
But you wouldn't necessarily
call a fleece being wet or not

581
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:35,360
wet.
May.

582
00:27:35,360 --> 00:27:38,200
I mean, maybe if something's you
know.

583
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,800
It's interesting if that's a
miracle because it's like the

584
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:44,560
opposite of everything around it
too, if like the grass is wet

585
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:50,080
but the fleece is not Anyway.
So really we don't see many more

586
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:54,560
miracles till we get to the New
Testaments, We get to Jesus and

587
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,920
the apostles.
And then as you can, you can

588
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,400
imagine a lot.
Yeah, Jesus doing a lot of

589
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:05,080
miracles heal on his 37 ish
recorded miracles.

590
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:08,920
We're talking healings,
exorcisms, raising the dead,

591
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:11,800
miracles in nature, like we
talked about calming the storm

592
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,880
and these kind of things.
And the apostles are doing some

593
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,560
similar, some similar things.
He owns visions, tongues,

594
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,200
raising dead.
And again, their purpose is to

595
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,160
authenticate that this is of
God.

596
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,760
While you're talking, I was
thinking more about the fleece.

597
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:31,680
I think probably because it is
predicted and there's like

598
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,960
specified complexity.
Like if you just walked out and

599
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:37,960
something was dry when
everything else was wet or vice

600
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,240
versa, I don't think you could
go, oh, there's a miracle there.

601
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:43,040
But if someone said tomorrow
you're going to walk out and

602
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:46,160
this fleece is going to be dry
and everything else is around it

603
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,040
is going to be wet, then that
probably rises to the level.

604
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:50,280
Of a.
Miracle.

605
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:54,240
But still, you know, we're
having to like pull these things

606
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,520
and there's, you know, hundreds
of years stretches, maybe

607
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:00,680
sometimes thousands of years
stretches where there's no

608
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,720
miracle or there's some small
miracles.

609
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,720
And so is it possible that a
miracle has happened between now

610
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:10,440
and Jesus time?
Sure.

611
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:14,840
Sure, absolutely.
But it's not like it's what

612
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,840
we're saying is because there's
there's a movement out there

613
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:22,000
that would say you can expect
and should expect, you know,

614
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,720
miracles all the time.
And that's that's that's not

615
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:29,600
found in the Bible.
Not not in scripture at all.

616
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:33,640
But even if you if it's you look
past some later on the New

617
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:39,320
Testament, some of these later
books, even less miracles, a lot

618
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:41,080
of miracles when they're
referred to are mentioned in the

619
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:42,240
past.
You read Hebrews talks a lot

620
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,320
about miracles that happened
past tense, you know, not

621
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:50,640
talking about current miracles.
Tim think it's happening, Paul

622
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:52,440
says.
Drink some wine for your

623
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:54,920
stomach.
He doesn't say prescription.

624
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:56,400
Why aren't you?
Why aren't you getting healed?

625
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:58,200
Yeah, Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, right.

626
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:02,720
Yeah, so like you were saying,
long stretches, not a lot of

627
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:06,520
miracles, not not a ton.
Noted.

628
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,400
It's really, it's really in this
cluster.

629
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:14,240
I, I was, we're going through
James in our young adult class

630
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,240
and I this is interesting too.
You read like the gospel.

631
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,400
C ^2.
C ^2 yeah, going way back.

632
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:20,080
I love it.
Yeah.

633
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:26,280
You read about demonic activity
in the Gospels and it's like

634
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:30,680
demon possession, exorcism.
You get to James and some of

635
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,520
Paul's writings, a lot of
demonic activity is selfish

636
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:35,920
ambition and bitter jealousy and
division.

637
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,640
You see, you see like this shift
where it's like highly

638
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,240
concentrated, not saying demonic
doesn't happen, but it, you

639
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,960
know, it probably looks
different at different times and

640
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:49,520
and different places anyway.
So I guess that begs the

641
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:53,360
question is, you know, why
aren't miracles everywhere, you

642
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,160
know, delight, you know, does
God, does God work today?

643
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:58,920
If they happened all the time,
would we consider them miracles?

644
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,480
Right pride.
By definition, it can't happen

645
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:04,840
all the time.
Not the norm.

646
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,840
And again, it doesn't take away
from God's Providence at all.

647
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:10,960
Are miracles.
Here's a question.

648
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:14,360
Are miracles violations of
natural law?

649
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,880
I would think when natural law
is violated, probably miracle.

650
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,320
Yeah, I, I guess it depends on
how you define natural law,

651
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,760
because like I was saying while
ago, like natural law would say,

652
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,560
gravity is going to put these
two masses together.

653
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,360
And I just took it apart from.
Oh, I see.

654
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,000
Yeah, yeah.
You know, so you know, agent

655
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:38,560
causation can happen to
circumvent natural law, and God

656
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,560
has a lot more agent causation
available to him than we do.

657
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:42,160
That's right.
Yeah.

658
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,640
So when he holds the sun still.
It's still being.

659
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,440
It's like it's nothing that's
unnatural for God.

660
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,800
Yeah, it's just unnatural for
us.

661
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:53,040
Yeah.
No, that, that, that's a good

662
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:54,240
point.
Some perspective here.

663
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,320
And then in our notes, we've
talked about this extensively,

664
00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:01,120
but miracle versus Providence,
ordinary sustaining work, that's

665
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,200
Providence miracles
extraordinary that points

666
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:09,240
unmistakably to God.
So anyway, some application.

667
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:11,680
Should we do the Gideon test to
be like God?

668
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:14,440
I mean, it's in the Bible and it
should do it, right?

669
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,040
There's a lot of stuff in the
Bible that you should not do.

670
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:18,920
Right, right.
And if we're, if it, if

671
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,680
everything's really pointing a
lot of what the apostles were

672
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:25,160
saying, authenticating God's
word, well, we got it.

673
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:26,840
We got.
It, yeah, it's authenticated.

674
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:28,600
So yeah.
Well, and the other thing is

675
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:32,320
Gideon's told what to do.
Anyway, he's told exactly.

676
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,160
What to do?
And he doesn't trust it.

677
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,400
And so he's like, can you, can
you show me the sign?

678
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:37,800
Show me the sign, Show me the
sign.

679
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:40,400
So yeah, yeah.
We shouldn't be demanding

680
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,920
miracles.
And another point is we we see

681
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miracles often.
A loss, a dead soul, a dead

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person coming to life.
That's a miracle, right?

683
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:54,160
Yeah, that's supernatural on
that kind, that kind of thing.

684
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So from Genesis, Revelation, we
see miracles.

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They highlight God's authority,
love and power.

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Rare or frequent, their purpose
is the same, leads us to worship

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God.
Anything else you want to tackle

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on miracles?
We should look at miracles from

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an apologetic standpoint.
So.

690
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:12,720
OK.
Yeah.

691
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,280
Because David Hume, that would
basically said you can't, you

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can't have miracles.
Yeah.

693
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So we should look at the
philosophical side of this.

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Not not in this episode, but
maybe in a future episode.

695
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David Hume, man, what a guy.
What a guy, what a guy.

696
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:25,320
What?
He's like.

697
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Yeah.
Oh my goodness.

698
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,840
Yeah, he's like, you know, you
see this cue ball moving and it

699
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:33,160
hits this other cue ball, but
you don't know that that's what

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caused the other cue ball to
move.

701
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:38,960
Yeah, it's with some of this
philosophy, it's like, A, it

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00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:42,280
drives me crazy and B, it's
like, man, it's at some point,

703
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:46,240
like some of the stuff you, you
know, how much does it, does it

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00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:47,680
collapse on itself or I don't
know.

705
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:49,720
It's like you can it's, but that
would be good.

706
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,040
Give Miracles a different,
different perspective there.

707
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,560
So yeah, we should definitely do
that.

708
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I like it.
It's great.

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I have nothing else on Miracles.
I'm good too.

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All right, that's our take.
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