T3 | Yom – Can an Old Earth Reading Be Faithful to the Text?

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All right, so I was watching
this interview, Zach.

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I guess we got to say each
other's names, right?

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Yeah.
And it was of Tom Holland.

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Do you know who Tom Holland?
Is Spider Man.

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Yeah, yeah.
Spider Man, yeah.

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I'm.
I'm probably here, you know, for

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whatever reason, he's made it
like I see interviews and stuff

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with him, so I don't know, yeah.
And he's come out saying that I

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don't know that it's so much
that he doesn't like American

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food, but that he doesn't think
any food is actually American

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food.
Well, let's let's go to the.

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Let's run with the examples.
So I was going to ask you, what

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would you name as American food?
I have a list from GPT of things

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that that are reasonably
considered American food.

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And let's see, you know how many
of these you can do.

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There's a lot of money there.
Actually, I'm going to talk out

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loud.
So obviously if you say pizza,

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people are going to say Italian.
I don't know if like a New York

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style pizza slice or not,
because it's like it is.

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I mean Italian Americans I feel
like are a big part of America.

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Same thing you're you're going
to think if you go like super

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origin of like hamburgers and
hot dogs are probably like

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that's Martin Luther and these
crazy Germans.

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But it's like, that's like an
American 4th of July thing.

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So in the video someone says
hamburgers.

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He's like, that's from Germany.
And so, but the truth is like

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the name is from there and it's
actually we, we, we, we split it

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at ham and burger, right?
And so then we have like chicken

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burgers or Turkey burgers, but
it's actually Hamburg.

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It's the name.
Of the cow.

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And then, ER, that they add to
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But what happened were people
came over to America and they

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made beef patties similar to
what they did in Hamburg, but

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they didn't prepare them like
the same do here.

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So the hamburger, like those
immigrants said, oh, we're going

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to make this sandwich.
And it's kind of like what we

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grew up back there, but it's
new.

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So that is counted as an
American.

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'Cause I feel like that should
be on the list obviously.

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As well as hot dogs.
OK, hot because hot dogs.

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It's different from Bratwurst.
I mean, it's like it seems like

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it's bad enough for.
Derived from German sausages,

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but Americanized and mass
marketed like that.

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They don't have other.
Oh yeah.

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I'm sure twice as bad for you
too.

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America for the win.
American food.

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So you know, you think French
fry.

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Obviously it's like French is in
the name.

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I just, I just feel like that is
American, even though I'm sure

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it's not American.
It just seems like a common with

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every meal.
The word French has to do with

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how that's cut.
Has nothing to do with the

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country France, but from what
I'm told they originated in

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Belgium.
OK.

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So yeah.
Yeah.

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Other things that I would think
of when see, I don't know, the

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ordinance of like pulled pork or
something like that.

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Barbecue is BBQ American style
like Texas, Carolina, Kansas

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City.
Unique regional variations

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evolved in the US, so BBQ is
definitely not that.

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No one ever smoked meat over.
A fire before but.

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How we do it is unique to us.
Man, all right, I'm starting to.

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Slow down.
There's three.

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There's four other main things
on here.

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I'm trying to think what's like
classic American meal.

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There's a piece of chicken they
used to throw away.

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Oh.
And now that chicken lovers?

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No, no, no.
That that now become a huge

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deal.
Oh, chicken feet.

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No.
Oh.

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Man.
Chicken wings.

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Buffalo Wings.
Chicken wings.

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Ah, OK.
So Buffalo wings are a very

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American fried chicken.
OK, I can see that.

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Yeah, I hate meatloaf.
Chili con carne with chili with

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meat.
Those are the mains you read

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through these sides.
Yeah, let's read through.

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Macaroni and cheese.
Oh, that's definitely American.

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Cornbread.
Oh yeah.

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Potato chips invented in New
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Wow.
Yeah.

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So the story is that someone
wanted their potatoes cooked and

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they got mad or something.
They over fried them.

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Fried them.
Crystal them up.

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And cut them to thin and like.
These are actually great.

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So they're on to something.
Tater Tots.

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Nice, I should have guessed
that, yeah.

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You should know this Breakfast
maybe.

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Cereal.
Biscuits and gravy.

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I love biscuits and.
Gravy, jello salad.

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I mean, you, you think of
American food, jello salad.

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That's that's it.
We'll take a salad and we'll

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make it jello.
It's.

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Great.
All right on the desserts.

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Nothing more American than a.
Apple pie.

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Apple.
Pie Brownies.

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I'll tell you what, this is
controversial too.

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Apple pie.
You don't like?

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It is Apple pie is the Doctor
Seuss of what's the what's the

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other mediocre thing I said I
can't remember.

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It's the it's the Hallelujah
squares of Doctor Seuss like

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that.
That apple pie's good.

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It's not bad, but this is not my
favorite.

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Yeah, yeah, You know what I
mean?

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Well, I mean, I saw this recipe,
and as soon as we get our oven

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working, we need to make it.
But you take a fully cooked

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apple pie and then you put it
down and then you pour the

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cheesecake mixture over it and
then you cook the cheesecake and

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it's like apple pie.
Cheesecake that sounds good.

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Cheesecake's great.
Brownies, chocolate chip

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cookies, you know, chocolate
chip cookies were actually in an

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accident.
Have you heard this?

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No.
So she you know, they used to

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make just chocolate cookies and
what you would do is you would

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warm up the chocolate and you
would melt in the chocolate into

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the flour instead.
Chocolate.

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OK, yeah, and I guess she was in
a hurry and the chocolate didn't

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melt all the way, but she didn't
have time, so she just cooked

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them like they were chocolate
chip cookies.

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People loved them, man.
S'mores.

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S'mores, that's great.
Clearly, pumpkin pie.

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I don't think pumpkin is a New
World vegetable.

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So that pecan pie.
There you go.

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There you go.
Pecan pie.

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Apple pie.
Apple pie is better, OK.

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Yeah.
So no, it's better than apple

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pie.
What pie is better than apple

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pie?
I like.

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Honestly, I like blueberry pie.
I, I, I like, like the Berry

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kind of pies like they have like
other kind of like, you know.

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Has like the white like frosting
type stuff and the.

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Berries on top, yeah, I I like
that stuff for as far as pies

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go.
All right.

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And then breakfast foods,
pancakes with syrup.

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OK, It's American.
Yeah, yeah.

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Scrapple.
Your scrapple.

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Oh, it's like a Pennsylvania
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Yeah, yeah, like apples.
Disgusting and stuff, isn't it?

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Well look, let's look up
scrapple right now.

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My understanding is it's like a
disgusting like you just take

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like whatever is left on a like
whatever is left on a plate and

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you like it's like a mixture of
stuff but I think so.

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Scrapple is a Pennsylvania Dutch
breakfast staple made from

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ground pork and trimmings
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I was thinking about buckwheat.
Flour and spice is often served

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pan fried.
It's a loaf like dish that's

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sliced and fried for a crispy
savory.

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So it's like pork scraps and
then you fry them up.

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It sounds gross.
Pennsylvania Dutch.

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People 'cause I was thinking it
was more like the you weren't at

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the Seder meal.
I was not.

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So, you know, like if you take,
like, Maple syrup and apples and

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pecans and stuff like that and
you mix them up, maybe some

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raisins, that sounds pretty
good.

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Yeah.
Yeah.

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But that's apparently not.
That's what I had in mind.

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And the last one on this list is
Grits.

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Grits.
I'm not a grits fan.

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I am a fan of things you put in
grits and so I can eat grits as

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long as it's like give me some
shrimp or some butter or some

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sugar or whatever.
Like I just don't want just

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grits though.
Well, if you have grits that

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have like a little bit of salt,
a little bit of butter and maybe

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a touch of sugar, you're.
Oh yeah, I can do that.

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Man, I think that that you like
grits.

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It's like the same, It's the
same thing like oatmeal.

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It's like I just need to put a
little sugar in it or I need I

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just, I'm not just going to.
Put you on hamburger meat

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without it being seasoned.
No, that's true.

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That's true.
So I would say that it's fine

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unless.
You know, yeah, that's not.

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I wouldn't call that over
doctrine grits.

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OK, Yeah.
All right.

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I.
Feel good.

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That's good.
See, America, I'm surprised,

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like a lot of that, it seems
like we haven't been around that

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long.
Like, what were people doing

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beforehand?
Yeah, Yeah, You know what I

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mean.
And it's hard to it's like

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mathematics, you know, to in
order to get a PhD in in

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mathematics, you have to come up
with new math.

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Yeah.
It's like there's a lot that's

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already been done.
You know, what else am I going

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to do?
Like America comes on the stage,

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what, 200 and some odd years ago
where we at now almost 200 and

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do the math for me.
I'm not going to say it's too

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late. 2 and 50.
That sounds 50 ish.

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Yeah.
And is that right?

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No.
Close to 76 to 25, Yeah, kind

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of, you know, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And so we're, you know, all

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these other countries, like
where have you been all these

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years?
So not have they been.

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Comfortable.
Yeah.

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They got comfortable and they
weren't expecting any apple.

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Like, I'm like, how?
Yeah.

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How did.
I just don't understand.

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Once you make one pie, don't you
just figure out them all?

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Like, there are a lot of them.
You're like, oh, I forgot apples

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could go in there.
Like, come on, you're better

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than that.
You know, like I, I they make

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Peach cobbler, but just never
thought of apple pie.

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I don't know.
It just blows my mind.

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That's great.
We we did the gamut, which, you

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know, when I we're going to talk
about a Hebrew word, Yum, which

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I thought is kind of like Yum,
yummy for food.

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Yeah.
So I think the connection's

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good.
That's good, that's good.

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That's.
Good.

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All right, Well, let's talk
creation and take it to the next

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level from the hearts of the low
country in South Carolina.

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It's the Take Two podcast where
we take theology to the next

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level.
All right, so Zach, I guess this

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will go into our think tank
Thursday.

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I don't know.
Are you comfortable with that?

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I'm comfortable with that.
Yeah, that's a good think tank.

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Thursday.
It's got I like, it's got that

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TH and TH.
That's that's nice.

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Yeah, think tank Thursday.
So we've done a couple on

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cosmological type of arguments.
So we did the Kalam Cosmological

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argument and that just argues
that the universe began to exist

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and doesn't really take into
account how old the universe is.

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Maybe people could pick up from
how I talk that I I do happen to

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believe the Earth is rather old
and I don't know where you're

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at.
And you don't have to.

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You don't have to.
Oh, I'll be, I'll be, I'll be

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surprised.
Yeah, you can be surprised.

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Well, I will say this, I don't
want were you I did I interrupt

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like a diatribe or?
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existence proof, but we had a
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asked kind of like, you know, he
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kind of, you know, an idea of
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that the earth was old?
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think this is going to dovetail
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it's like, well, I take the
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I, I've read the word of God
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I'm not making up stuff.
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think is a good sentiment to
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It's like, OK, what do you mean
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the you don't want these crazy

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people that make words say
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or you know what I mean?
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I don't know if we said young
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2 camps, old Earth, young Earth.
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12,000 and I've heard people
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maybe 50,000.
So all of those people, you

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know, there are some, you know,
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young earthers.
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six and seven, you know, 6-7
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So there's like this.

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little bit and I would think
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genealogies.
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The math and you're like, well,
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But at the center of this or a
big part of this is this word

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yam.
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like words are important.
You can't, you can't just play

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with them.
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day.
Case closed.

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And I've been on record to say

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in my previous podcasting career
and in in front of people that

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if Moses when he wrote Yom
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think that's probably is a case
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Like if he wrote that thinking,
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didn't mean.
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did he know that there was going
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later?
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I don't know if that fits into
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is a big topic.
So I think we have to split this

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That's right.

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We don't want to rush, rush
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due diligence.
And so this podcast is all about

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Jan.
Yeah, and it's really just

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asking the question, is it
possible to be faithful to the

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text?
That's a good question.

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that's the crux of it.
Because if you are young Earth

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or new Earth, that's what you're
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I'm faithful to the text and I
think the not the problem, a

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problem with Old Earth is you're
lumped in with anyone and

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everyone where you have some
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hate that.
They don't view scripture in the

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same way.
And most of the time, Young

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Earth and New Earth, maybe there
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they're like more in a box
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They're all over the place.
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And so, yeah, I'm glad you said
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is a specific stripe of old
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But there are gap theories.
There are, you know, the near

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ancient near Eastern, you know,
they they just think the all

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Genesis 1 is metaphor types
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So there are other things out
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So I'm going to be personally
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trying to argue my side.
I'm just trying to say here,

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here are the facts.
And as I, as I see them, here

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are some arguments that are
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having to be a 24 hour period.
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maybe not so fast.
Maybe those arguments don't go

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through.
Maybe not so fast.

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Well, I like, I like where
you're starting here is that if

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you're going to do a word study,
it's good to look at different

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places the word is used because
words can just like today, we

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use words and we can mean
different things by using the

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same word.
The same thing can be can

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happen, you know, in Scripture.
That's right.

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So Yom, very similar to our word
day, has four literal

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definitions, so it can refer to
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I'll just say the time.
I don't want to use the word

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day.
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Time when sunlight is out.
So you might say it's daytime,

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you might say, Josh, it's about
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You're going to have to, you
know, you generally mean the sun

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has gone down.
So it can just mean day.

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Genesis 15, God called the light
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So very, very straightforward.
It can refer to a specific

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calendar date.
So you might say, you know, what

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day does Memorial Day fall on
this year?

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You know, in the.
I know that Yum.

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You know that?
Yeah, like my.

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Birthday is on this Yum.
Like it's very specific I see.

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Leviticus 2327 seven says on the
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And I don't have a whole quote
here, but you know, you see like

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the first day of Nissan, that's
a another dude.

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It's like, it's like a Toyota
telethon or like that's a toy.

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Whatever it's it's the day of
Nissan.

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I love that.
That's right, the third literal

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definition of the word Yom is a
24 hour period.

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Playing right into their hands,
Michael, That's right.

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So it, you know, and we use that
say like, Hey, it literally one

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day from now we're going to be
in this place or something.

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We use it the same way.
One Bible verse 6 is 2010 talks

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about the the 7th day is a
Sabbath day and we're talking

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about 24.
Hours.

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They would, yeah, just to, you
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sense.
They're not saying like Sabbath,

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you know, is going to be for
four, two weeks straight or

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something like that.
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And then the 4th literal
definition, this is a literal

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interpretation.
So some people will say to me,

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oh, well, you don't take it
literally.

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I'm like, well, actually I do
take Genesis literally.

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Well, I guess I do take there's
part of it I take

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metaphorically.
But for the word definition of

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Yom, I do take it literally.
And I take it in this 4th

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literal sense, an indefinite
longer period of time.

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chapter, Genesis 24 uses the

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word Yom, it says in the day
that the Lord made the the earth

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and the heavens and there's and
if you look in an interlinear

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earth, Yom did that there twice.
And so you have two, four.

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I I do and the ESPN says these
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heavens and the earth when they
were created in the day that the

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Lord God made the earth and the
heavens.

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Yeah, If I'm not mistaken, maybe
you can Blue, Blue letter Bible

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or Bible hub this for me, but
just see if Yama is used in

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there there twice while while
he's doing that, I will just say

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that we don't use it as much in
English this way and we'll talk

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at the very end about why I
believe that is the case.

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But we do have some examples of
in English where we'd use the

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word day.
In this fourth version.

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One would be like you might say,
well, in my grandfather's day,

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they didn't do it that way.
And you don't mean one of the

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daylights out or a specific.
You just mean this longer back

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in the day.
Yeah, back in the day, right.

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Or you might speak of a future
event.

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Sometimes you would say there's
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Like there's going to be, you
know, sometimes we'll say the

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day of the Lord in the Old
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We don't mean like a 24.
Our literal literal time.

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Are there 2?
Are there 2 yams in two?

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So there's only one yam in 2-4
but if you go to 217 it talks

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about but of the tree of the
knowledge of good and evil.

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Thou shalt not eat of it for in
the day.

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I guess that's a specific day
that they'll eat of it.

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I'm trying to think of other
days they it's yam.

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You should get the inner liner
out.

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Yam is used a lot in.
Genesis It's all over the place.

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It's like several times in each
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There's a lot of uses of of Yom,
so it's a good, good word study

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to just just just glance through
because it is, there is a lot in

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there.
So you might be saying, OK,

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Michael, there's these 4 literal
definitions of the word day.

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Clearly it seems like Moses and
God intends through Moses to

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communicate 24 hour days, right?
And there are often some rules

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that people will cite and
they'll cite.

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I like how, if I can poke a
little bit back, they cite this

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as if they discovered some
grammarian grammar book that

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Moses had that, you know, like
an English book like these are

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the.
Rules.

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But you know, the first time I
heard this, I was like, oh,

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well, you know, you hear
something that's counter to how

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you're thinking.
Like you kind of feel that like,

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yeah, I guess if these are rules
then.

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But then the more I looked into
it, I said like these rules

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aren't.
It's it's almost reverse

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engineer like you might be fine
patterns, but they're not using

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rules.
Maybe they often did things a

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certain way, but it's hard to
say.

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These were like ironclad.
These are the rules.

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So these are some of the the
quote UN quote rules that are

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often given.
So whenever you see Yom used

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with an ordinal number or a
cardinal number, then it has to

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be a literal day.
That's convenient for creation.

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It's very convenient.
So what I did was I looked

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through, I did a search of the
word Yom in an interlinear one

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time when I was researching this
and I looked at the verses and I

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looked at every single verse
that Yom was tied to some type

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of number.
Ordinal would be like first,

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second, third.
Cardinal would be like the 20,

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you know, the, you know, 11th
day of, you know, that's still

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an ordinal.
But anyways, and most of the

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occurrences where it's tied to a
number happen in Genesis 1.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And so you're skewing it in one

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account that just repeats it a
lot.

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So not saying it couldn't be
that, but that just like tipping

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the scales in your favor just
from like that's that, that

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couple of uses.
So here's one and there's

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others.
You know #712 through 89 is

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through 89 is this.
Does that really, could that

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really be does #7 have 89 verses
in it?

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You can, you can check.
Man, no wonder your numbers are

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so difficult to read.
Boom, it does 89 verses.

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So this describes gifts that are
given and each day is numbered.

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And clearly, you know, this is
an historical count of people

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giving, you know, consecutive
gifts on consecutive days of the

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calendar.
And it's often used an example,

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see here's days with numbers.
So it's got to be that type of

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thing.
But it kind of begs the question

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because #7 is kind of a
different type of genre that's

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a.
Great point where that number 7

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is easy to peg that it's just
like we're just recounting like

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this historic, like it's,
there's definitely no poetry

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really in that, I don't think.
And we have Hosea 6 two that

450
00:20:58,120 --> 00:21:01,120
says after two days he will
revive us and on the third day

451
00:21:01,120 --> 00:21:04,280
he will raise us up.
Seemed to be prophetic for a

452
00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:08,600
future thing.
And there we have ordinals with

453
00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:12,600
the word Yom.
Clearly I I think most people

454
00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:15,600
understand it as a figurative.
They don't take it as day one,

455
00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:17,440
day 2, day three, so.
Right, right.

456
00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:19,240
Oh, that that a.
Good counterexample.

457
00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:21,960
That's good.
So, you know, context is

458
00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:25,280
important in the small sample
size and then, you know, kind of

459
00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:26,840
begging the question.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

460
00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:29,360
So I, I like it though.
It, it's like reverse

461
00:21:29,360 --> 00:21:30,960
engineering.
I think it's good to look at,

462
00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:35,240
but you can kind of you can over
overstate your case that way.

463
00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:38,720
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And I, and I think Genesis 1 is

464
00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:42,720
somewhat unique among Scripture.
So it's, it's hard to say, you

465
00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:46,160
know, these day by day accounts,
like, you know, on the first

466
00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:48,560
Nissan, this happened.
I keep using that one 'cause it

467
00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:52,720
shows up a couple times.
Then to compare that to the

468
00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:56,720
first day of creation.
You know, a second rule that's

469
00:21:56,720 --> 00:22:00,120
often cited is, you know,
evening and morning, you know,

470
00:22:00,120 --> 00:22:04,840
so if we have an evening and a
morning, clearly we're talking

471
00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:08,520
about a 24 hour day cycle, You
know, the some something going

472
00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:11,000
around.
And I think this is actually,

473
00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:14,320
you know, next I said, I wasn't
going to argue for my position,

474
00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:18,280
but I think this actually is in,
in the older's favor.

475
00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,400
And I'll, and I'll probably, I,
I really kind of follow Hugh

476
00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:26,760
Ross's thinking on how to
understand, oh, sorry, how to

477
00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:31,800
understand Genesis 1.
But the problem on if you are a

478
00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:37,360
young earther, I think most of
the time they understand it to

479
00:22:37,360 --> 00:22:39,840
be that the sun was created on
the 4th day.

480
00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:43,400
And I think Hugh Ross in my view
is, is the sun becomes distinct

481
00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:46,040
on the 4th day.
So it's perspectival.

482
00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:50,040
But but if you do believe that
the sun was created on the 4th.

483
00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:51,920
Day.
What are we doing then?

484
00:22:52,120 --> 00:22:54,280
You can't have morning and
evenings cause morning and

485
00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:56,840
evenings, they're the only
literal definition of that is a

486
00:22:56,840 --> 00:23:02,120
sunrise and a sunset.
So you have 3 pairs of evening

487
00:23:02,120 --> 00:23:04,920
and morning, you know, was the
first day evening and evening.

488
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:06,360
Morning was the second day, you
know.

489
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:09,480
Yeah, and logically you would
say that this is not adding up.

490
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,080
Right.
You can't have a morning and the

491
00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:15,600
evening until the sun's there.
And even even if it's

492
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:21,640
perspectival or if it's when the
sun is created, you're you don't

493
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:25,680
have a perceptible sun that's
rising in.

494
00:23:27,120 --> 00:23:30,240
The Fall, I see this other note
on there that, you know, evening

495
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:33,040
and morning may as well, you
know, it, it could just be a

496
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,600
literary mark or a device.
If it is poetry or something

497
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:37,600
like that.
It, you know, you hit these

498
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:41,760
beats where you're, you know,
using this to prove a point and

499
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,520
saying, hey, on to the next
stanza, on to the next phrase,

500
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:48,520
whatever you're trying to do.
Then the next, next epoch, all

501
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:52,000
right, some will say, well, you
know, in Hebrew.

502
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:53,760
We'll talk a little bit about
this towards the end.

503
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:58,440
Words get conjugated and so you
have finger, you know, just like

504
00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:00,240
in English group conjugate
words, you can have singular

505
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:04,240
plural forms of verbs and
they'll say that the singular

506
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:07,920
yam with no modifiers always
just means like a typical normal

507
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:11,080
day, what we would think of.
And then Genesis 24 where I

508
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:14,000
looked at this uses the singular
form of yam, but it really

509
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:18,400
refers to the entire creation
week says in the day that the

510
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:21,200
Lord made the heaven and the
earth and that is Yom.

511
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:24,920
So it's the same way.
Other examples of the singular

512
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:27,200
form.
Psalm 21 made the Lord answer

513
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,000
you in the day of your of
trouble.

514
00:24:29,360 --> 00:24:32,040
So probably not a literal day.
Right.

515
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,320
Yeah.
Talking about a a unspecified

516
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:36,600
period of time, Zechariah 14
seven.

517
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:39,400
It will be a unique day known
only to the Lord.

518
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:42,560
So couple more counter examples.
Nice.

519
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:45,840
So we're we're really just
building building a case here.

520
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:50,480
I see your next one.
Lack of symbolic indicators.

521
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:55,000
Would most young earthers say
that like Genesis 1 is

522
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,320
definitely like just not poetic.
Are you know what I'm saying is

523
00:24:58,320 --> 00:24:59,360
that is that the stance they
take?

524
00:24:59,360 --> 00:25:01,120
I've always like, I've always
grown up in a young earth

525
00:25:01,120 --> 00:25:05,520
context and I feel like I hear
like Genesis 1 is poetry of

526
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,040
sorts, but maybe like the
hardcore people are like, this

527
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:11,160
is like straight historical
narrative with no.

528
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:15,960
And by poetry, do you mean like
in a a verse with meter or do

529
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:19,720
you just mean like it's not
necessarily strict to be taken

530
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:21,440
straightforward?
Correct.

531
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,480
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Where it's not necessarily, it's

532
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,120
not the same as #7 or whatever.
You're saying it's like it's a

533
00:25:26,120 --> 00:25:26,840
different?
Genre.

534
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:28,360
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah.

535
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:32,160
Yeah, yeah.
I, I think people would maybe

536
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,200
not agree that it's poetry, but
maybe agree that it's a

537
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:38,160
different genre.
But I, I think that there are

538
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:39,440
indicators, the one we just
talked about.

539
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:42,240
Evening, morning.
If there's not a son or a

540
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:46,760
perceptible son, then it's hard
to say you had an evening or a

541
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:48,640
morning.
But Moses says that it was the

542
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:50,280
first day, the second day, and
there was the evening and

543
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:52,400
morning.
So those could be symbolic

544
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:57,280
structures, just as one is
highly ordered and pattern

545
00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:00,480
characteristic of theological
narratives rather than just a

546
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:05,200
journalistic account.
And then we have this idea that

547
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:07,640
day 6.
That's a busy day.

548
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,160
It's a very busy day to work.
Yeah, man.

549
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,600
And you know, God can do what he
wants to.

550
00:26:13,360 --> 00:26:17,480
But if you think of all that
happens on day six, including

551
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:22,680
all the land mammals being
created, creation, land animals

552
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,560
being created, more than just
mammals, creation of Adam and

553
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:28,120
Eve.
Adam and Eve are granted

554
00:26:28,120 --> 00:26:33,280
dominion over the animals.
Adam names them, then Eve is

555
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:35,800
actually after that, created
after that, and then there's

556
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:37,680
some type of wedding ceremony.
Yeah, I'm getting tired.

557
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:39,960
Just just re talking.
About this, that's all on.

558
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:44,040
So, you know, it may be possible
for God to do a whole bunch very

559
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:47,320
quickly, but that's a lot for
Adam to do as as a man.

560
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:49,960
Yeah, that's a good point.
I bet you believe in atheistic

561
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,520
evolution too, Michael, huh?
Give a lot of time.

562
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,840
No old earth creationist which?
Yeah, yeah.

563
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:56,720
But that that's because like,
because like, again, I think

564
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,400
that's like, that's why it's
that's why old Earth is so bad,

565
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:01,440
because it's like all those
theistic evolutionists are in

566
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:02,560
there too, or you know what I
mean?

567
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:03,320
Yeah.
And.

568
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,240
I'll just take it since you
mentioned that I'll take a side

569
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:10,880
because I did watch this video
where I think his last name is,

570
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:14,520
Hovine said.
I think it was him.

571
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:18,400
If I miss attributing, I
apologize, but it was, you know,

572
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,400
I can prove that the earth is
not old.

573
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:25,840
And I was like, OK, I'm, I'm
always I, I'm open to, you know,

574
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,040
I'm open minded, even though I
have a, an opinion, I'm open

575
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,600
minded in it.
And then he goes in to disprove

576
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:32,480
evolution.
And you're like, oh, we're.

577
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,400
That those are two different
categories 'cause I don't

578
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,280
believe in evolution, I think
evolution is falls flat on its

579
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,840
face.
So I think that God, you know,

580
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:44,960
has just like in Young Earther,
I think God had a special act of

581
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:48,640
creation and then rested a
little bit, not for a day,

582
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,640
especially after creation,
special after creation, special

583
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,360
acts of creation.
And it was separated by, you

584
00:27:54,360 --> 00:27:58,160
know, by periods of time.
So it's just how long those

585
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,480
separations were.
Would be the.

586
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:01,000
Difference.
Yeah.

587
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,960
Genesis 2 two through 3 implies
that the 7th day has no end,

588
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:09,800
which supports the view that the
days are not identical 24 hour

589
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:11,960
periods.
And And the writer of Hebrews

590
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:15,560
also alludes to this, you know,
it says that we want to enter

591
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,120
into his day of rest that he's
currently enjoying.

592
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:20,840
It's a loose paraphrase.
Yeah, it's open.

593
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,400
It's not like, yeah, it's gone
on for a couple days.

594
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:25,400
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
OK.

595
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:34,160
So we're looking at different
ways that you might, you know,

596
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,320
decide whether it's possible or
not.

597
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:43,480
So those are some of the rules
that people might give.

598
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,120
And I So what happens?
I gave a whole bunch of notes to

599
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,240
to ChatGPT.
I think it took something out of

600
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:49,800
order.
So let's skip down to six and

601
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:53,200
then we'll come back to five.
So some people will also claim

602
00:28:53,240 --> 00:29:00,120
that the consistent grammatical
structure of Genesis would mean

603
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,080
would invey against it being
like a different genre.

604
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,560
Basically they're saying, you
know, it's consistent.

605
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,280
The clear plain reading I think
is what, and I think this is a

606
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,720
good argument.
The clear plain reading is kind

607
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:16,000
of lends itself to just assume
it's a normal day.

608
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,600
Yeah, if you're reading 'cause
I, I can see, you know, you're

609
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,280
like, Oh, well, you've read
Proverbs from Genesis and

610
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:25,320
Revelation, Apocalyptics,
probably different Genesis, but

611
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:31,400
in Genesis we're reading about,
you know, Joseph, is that like

612
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,480
we can just, you know, was, you
know what I mean?

613
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:35,840
Like it's like that's all kind
of wrapped up in Genesis, you

614
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,160
know.
So I think a lot of people kind

615
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,240
of say, well, it's in the same
book, you know, why is it so

616
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:44,480
different at the beginning than
other places, which I think like

617
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,440
you said.
So it's a good, good way to

618
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,920
think, 'cause I, I will say it's
probably where I land.

619
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:53,720
I, I'm like, he could go either
way, but it just seems like

620
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,280
young Earth is the easiest way
to read it.

621
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:57,880
Not saying old Earth couldn't
happen, but yeah, yeah.

622
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,000
And I would say, yeah, I
especially if you're an English

623
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,480
reader reading your English
Bible, it is the natural way to

624
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:08,120
understand it.
I think probably most people

625
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:12,080
under grow up being young
earthers cause but then when you

626
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,560
grow up.
When you grow up and become an

627
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:16,000
adult, you understand young
Earth.

628
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:17,080
Yeah, I'm.
Kidding.

629
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,600
Then you grew up in mature, you
know, once I was a child, then I

630
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:23,480
was.
But you see, like if you look at

631
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:27,600
the the different, yeah, the
different the days, like day

632
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:33,440
one, day 2, day three, it's like
he's preparing the different

633
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,680
spaces and then day 4-5 and six,
he's preparing the things that

634
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:38,520
are going to inhabit those
spaces roughly.

635
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:46,960
And you also this repeated, you
know, paradigm is also lends

636
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:51,880
itself to a either figurative or
not necessarily a wooden

637
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:57,040
interpretation.
But people as far back as is

638
00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:00,280
either I think is Augustine,
it's either Augustine or Anthem.

639
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,880
I think it was Augustine that
did not believe it was to be

640
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:08,840
taken as 6 and consecutive 24
hour period days, you know so.

641
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:12,040
Man, I guess every I feel like
everything goes back to

642
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:13,240
Augustine in some way.
I'll go.

643
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:14,840
Augustine thought this that.
That's good.

644
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:17,280
All right, so let's get back up
to five.

645
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,080
So I am putting forth a
positive.

646
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,000
So though all those were kind of
arguments against, objections

647
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:27,080
against, and my answer to them,
I want to put forth a positive

648
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:32,520
reason why you might want to
read this as being longer

649
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:37,320
because if you look at the
verbs, you have a couple verbs

650
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:41,880
in one.
One, in the beginning God

651
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:50,680
created and then down in 121 God
created the great sea monsters,

652
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:59,200
and then further down 127 God
created man in his own image.

653
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:06,040
Those 3 verses use the Hebrew
verb Bara, which means to create

654
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:09,960
from nothing, to create
basically instantaneously from

655
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:13,760
scratch from nothing.
OK, if you look at all the other

656
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:19,040
verbs, these are process verbs.
So you might, if you're reading

657
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:26,000
the well 14 verse 14, God said
let there be lights, let there

658
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:32,120
bring forth God made, God
formed, you know, let the earth

659
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:36,400
bring forth vegetation.
These verbs in Hebrews are

660
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:40,920
process verbs that generally
indicate some time along with

661
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:42,080
them.
They're not like the

662
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,440
instantaneous Bara that God did
with the heavens and the earth,

663
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:48,160
the great wells, and with Adam
and Eve.

664
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:50,240
Why did God do those three
differently?

665
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:52,560
I mean, I think it makes sense
for the heaven and the earth.

666
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:56,320
And for for Adam, why did he
create the great sea monster?

667
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:59,240
Some people I've heard say these
are actually the dinosaurs.

668
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:01,800
So maybe he created the
dinosaurs from scratch, you

669
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:02,400
know?
OK.

670
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,080
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, whereas the other let the

671
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:08,000
others, I wouldn't, wouldn't
want to say the word evolve, but

672
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:12,360
maybe adapt, you know, So yeah.
OK, I like that.

673
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:15,360
So you got one of those like
pro, like you, you're being like

674
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,360
you're challenging me on some
grammatical stuff.

675
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:18,840
Let me flip it back on you and
I'll look at.

676
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,520
That and just say, hey, if
you're reading the text

677
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:24,920
carefully, you know, there may
be some indications of how how

678
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:30,560
you might do it.
All right, so, so that's kind of

679
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:37,800
the passage of Genesis 1.
But now there's some passages

680
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:41,160
outside Genesis, one that people
might read and say, if you're

681
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:45,440
going to consistently look at
the Bible, these passages would

682
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,560
say you need to be a young
earther.

683
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:51,400
Probably the one I hear the most
is Romans 512.

684
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:55,000
Yeah.
There was no death before the

685
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,080
fall, right?
You know, yeah.

686
00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:01,080
And so if the Earth is.
There's no sense. 4.5 billion

687
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,360
years old or 3.8 billion years
old, whatever, however old it

688
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:07,120
is.
And life has been on earth for

689
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:10,120
millions of years.
Clearly then there was death.

690
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:16,760
So is that a problem with, you
know, Genesis or with Romans?

691
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,600
That's the question, 'cause if
it is, then that's probably not

692
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:28,520
a good interpretation, right?
So if we deal with Romans 12, I

693
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:32,360
think clearly this verse has
human death in view.

694
00:34:32,639 --> 00:34:36,000
I think it's, yeah, talking
about, you know, the gut Biome

695
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,159
and all this, you know, crazy
stuff that's going.

696
00:34:38,199 --> 00:34:40,840
On Yeah, Yeah.
Yeah, that, that's always an

697
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,320
interesting one, 'cause there's
a lot of death happening.

698
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,760
A lot.
Well, and that's, yeah, well,

699
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,960
that's the other thing because,
you know, I think it's human

700
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,120
death and I think it's human
spiritual death, not even

701
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:55,360
necessarily physical death,
because Adam and Eve, the day

702
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,120
that they ate the fruit, they
spiritually died.

703
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,920
Now the one of the natural
consequences of that spiritual

704
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:05,040
death is that they're eventually
going to face a physical death.

705
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,760
And that's how God is going to
actually redeem them, give them

706
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:12,760
resurrection bodies.
But that death that they

707
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:14,720
experienced was a spiritual
death.

708
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:18,680
And then, well, I've heard
people say, well, actually what

709
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:20,560
it was was anything that had
blood.

710
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:23,480
I'm like, how do you like you?
Kind of.

711
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:25,760
You'd throw in something and
and.

712
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:27,480
I got no blood under.
I understand that.

713
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:31,000
Like, yeah, I think it, it's not
scripturally grounded, but it

714
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,520
like makes sense kind of.
But it's not like you're not

715
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:34,680
pulling that from the Bible.
Yeah.

716
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,360
And then I'm like, well, how do
you define blood?

717
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:41,080
Because, you know, like the, if
it's just the fluid that

718
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:45,240
circulates to give nutrients and
take away waste, well, trees

719
00:35:45,240 --> 00:35:47,720
pull up water, you know, and,
and is that blood?

720
00:35:47,720 --> 00:35:50,200
Well, no, it's, we call it SAP.
It's, it's not the same thing.

721
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:53,360
You know, the tree didn't shed
its SAP for life.

722
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,080
You know what I'm saying?
So I get that there is a

723
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,640
distinction between blood and
stuff, but I, I think it's

724
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:01,800
arbitrary to say that this verse
applies to only animals when we

725
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:05,840
know that there would have been
microbes that would have been

726
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:09,040
destroyed that had animal like
features, there would have been

727
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:13,480
lots of plant cells destroyed,
so on and on and on.

728
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,520
So I I don't think that this is.
A great slam dunk.

729
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,600
It's not a slam dunk.
Like, OK, for me, I would say,

730
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:24,200
yeah, human spiritual death
entered by Adam, clearly.

731
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:25,480
I think that's what this is
saying.

732
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,160
Well, you know, the Sabbath.
We look at the Old Testament and

733
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:32,840
it's it's 24 hours and it, it's,
it's a strict Yum, not one of

734
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:37,120
your crazy yums.
Yeah, no, I yeah, I agree.

735
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:39,960
So the claim is the Sabbath says
in six days of the Lord.

736
00:36:40,240 --> 00:36:43,040
The command says in six days the
Lord made the earth, heaven,

737
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,720
earth.
Then creation must also be 6

738
00:36:45,720 --> 00:36:48,840
days.
I'm like, to me, this one is

739
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:52,720
like, there are arguments that
people make and I'll, I'll tell

740
00:36:52,720 --> 00:36:56,160
you next week or the next, the
next one, what I think the best

741
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,120
arguments against my position
are because there you go.

742
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:02,040
I think, I think both positions
have their weaknesses and and

743
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:05,640
I'm you know, I'm willing to be
convinced either way, but I

744
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:09,200
don't think this is one of the
the better arguments cause

745
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,840
clearly it's pattern matching.
Yeah, I think, I think that

746
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:13,480
makes sense.
Like you see, like when you're

747
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:16,360
talking about all these patterns
in Genesis 1 and we mentioned

748
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:20,960
that Hebrews passage, we we look
up, you know, to one day when

749
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,080
we're we'll be in the Sabbath
or, you know, Israel's in the

750
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,480
promised land or, you know, it's
like, it's not.

751
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,280
I think we all would say,
hopefully that's not lasting a

752
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,880
day you.
Know yeah, yeah.

753
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:34,160
And so, you know, if God worked
for seven yams, whether those

754
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:38,920
were 24 hour yams or they were
longer and unspecified yams,

755
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:42,160
then we work for six yams and we
take a yam off, you know, so I

756
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:43,800
think that's fine.
All right.

757
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:50,680
So I thought we might just end
with several verses where Yom is

758
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:54,720
not used as a single day.
That's good.

759
00:37:54,880 --> 00:38:00,480
And I think that as English
readers, sometimes Yom is not

760
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,320
even translated as day.
Sometimes it's translated as the

761
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:07,680
word when or period.
So if you go to a strong's

762
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:11,240
coordinates and look up the word
yam and see all the times where

763
00:38:11,240 --> 00:38:15,200
it's not, and it's not like it's
going to be 150 different times,

764
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:19,440
but this may be half a dozen or
dozen, you know, somewhere

765
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:20,640
around there.
How how many times do you think

766
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,200
yam is used in the KJV according
to Strong's?

767
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,040
I've got it up right now 'cause
it's a lot.

768
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:31,320
I yeah, what 2.5, K2 2 1/2.
Very close two point almost 3 K

769
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:35,520
2.287 K and I'll just read this
in the KJV.

770
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:39,600
It is translated day most of the
time, but also time chronicles

771
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:46,320
daily ever year continually when
as while full always whole

772
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:49,200
hallway.
So it's A and there's 2300

773
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,320
there.
It there is a broad broad range

774
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:53,880
of translation.
All right, so here's some

775
00:38:54,240 --> 00:38:56,880
somewhere.
It is not these are these are

776
00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:02,120
the first ones are the exact
same conjugation as what's used

777
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:05,560
in Genesis 1.
So I'm not a Hebrew scholar.

778
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:08,280
We've said that before.
So I'm not claiming to be a

779
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,920
Hebrew scholar.
But these I want to give you

780
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:12,720
ones that are the exact same
conjugation.

781
00:39:12,720 --> 00:39:14,920
Then I'll give you some that are
not the exact same conjugation,

782
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:19,880
but exact same conjugation. 27
Genesis 2745 S same conjugation,

783
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,800
same Hebrew writer.
Why would I bereaved of both of

784
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:29,640
you in one day and clearly you
know the span of this is dealing

785
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:36,160
with the twins of Isaac Esau and
Jacob and those acts didn't

786
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,920
happen happen in 124 hour period
right?

787
00:39:39,240 --> 00:39:46,680
But but Jacob is about to leave.
Genesis 3139, whether stolen by

788
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:49,120
day or by night.
Night refers to a time of

789
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:51,640
occurrence, not a full 24 hour
period.

790
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,880
Genesis 5030.
Now 40 days were required for

791
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:57,800
it.
The Egyptians wept for him 70

792
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:01,800
days.
We translate this as plural, but

793
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:07,880
in the Genesis it is a.
A singular verb there, singular

794
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:12,320
noun there.
All right, and then here's some

795
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:16,080
slightly different conjugations.
But other places where it's not

796
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,800
a single day.
Remember the day you stood

797
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:20,480
before the Lord your God at
Horeb.

798
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:25,480
That was actually 40 days when
they were there when Moses went

799
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:28,360
up the mountain.
I stayed on the mountain 40 days

800
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:32,920
and 40 nights.
Deuteronomy 3235 for the day of

801
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:38,920
their calamity is near Judges
1830 until the day of captivity

802
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:43,320
of the land.
So that's an era first Kings 859

803
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:47,840
that he may may maintain the
cause of his servants as each

804
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,080
day requires.
So this is kind of that, that

805
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:56,240
ongoing type of thing.
So there's others there that it

806
00:40:56,240 --> 00:40:58,840
lists there, you know, all the
places where you might hear the

807
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:00,840
day of the Lord is near or
something.

808
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:02,520
Like that.
But people will probably be

809
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,120
pretty pleased if it was 1
literal 24 hour.

810
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:06,920
It's like, I don't want this to
go longer, you know?

811
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:11,000
Yeah.
So finally, I know this is the

812
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:12,560
longer This is why we had to put
it in two.

813
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:14,880
We had to because we're just
getting we're just dealing with

814
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:21,360
the word that's right now.
But why some questions I've had

815
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,800
when I've taught this is like
Michael, why would Moses have

816
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:28,920
used the word day?
Why would it be confusing just?

817
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:31,000
Like make it easy, Moses.
Yeah, just make it easy.

818
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:32,440
Why would God have chosen the
word day?

819
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:37,840
Well, ancient Hebrew had
approximately 8700 words and it

820
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,680
depends on how you count them
and it depends on whether you

821
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:43,160
use count proper names and stuff
like that.

822
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:48,240
But when you kind of remove it
down to your base words, they

823
00:41:48,240 --> 00:41:52,800
only had 3000 distinct root
words that they would conjugate

824
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:56,080
and to mean things.
So one word, you know how we

825
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:59,400
have words that can mean more
than one thing, like bark, it

826
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,880
can mean the sound of a dog
makes, or it can mean the outer

827
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,240
covering of a tree.
One word has two different

828
00:42:05,240 --> 00:42:08,800
meanings, so their words had to
have more meaning.

829
00:42:09,240 --> 00:42:13,320
By contrast, modern English has
over 1,000,000 words, so they

830
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,880
have era epic.
You know, all these words that

831
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:22,640
that we might have used if God
had used us to write this, but

832
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,440
but he didn't.
He for whatever reason chose

833
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,400
Moses and and this Hebrew
language that didn't have as

834
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:31,440
many roots.
So when I I think Moses wrote

835
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:33,560
down Yom.
And he knew.

836
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:36,680
From his visions on the mountain
that this was longer than a 24

837
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:40,000
hour period, but it was the best
way he had to describe it was

838
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:44,120
like, all right for this day.
You know, this is, and I've

839
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:48,760
heard some people say that maybe
there was a day that God showed

840
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:50,920
Moses what he did.
Oh yeah.

841
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,840
And then Moses slept, and then
he showed him what he did on the

842
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:54,920
next day, and he showed.
Him.

843
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:56,520
That's interesting.
Yeah, that's an interesting

844
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:58,680
theory as well, 'cause he's up
there for 40 days.

845
00:42:58,680 --> 00:42:59,960
He's up there for a while.
Yeah.

846
00:43:00,240 --> 00:43:02,960
I think it's good context, tries
everything.

847
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,960
It's it's good to look at and
it's always so it's so I always

848
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:07,760
feel like that's how it is.
You know, there's like you go

849
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:11,000
you you read the Old Testament
and there's like this huge gloss

850
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:13,280
and then you nail down something
New Testament in the Greek and

851
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,400
it's like much more precise, you
know, like just from the

852
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:17,080
vocabulary.
But that, that's good.

853
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:19,640
A lot packed into Yom.
Yeah.

854
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:24,280
So really all I wanted to show
was it or demonstrate or give

855
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:26,640
for your consideration the
possibility that you could be

856
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:31,000
faithful to the text and
interpret Yom as a longer,

857
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:35,200
unspecified period of time and
still be true, you know, and

858
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,080
not, not even the evolution at
the same time.

859
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:40,520
I, I think that happens all the
time as I was even talking to

860
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:44,680
someone new to our church and he
was like, well, I heard you have

861
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:47,440
some different views on, you
know, creation account.

862
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:50,320
And I was going through it and
then I got all like, and I, I, I

863
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:52,040
finally realized he thought I
believe in it.

864
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:53,480
I was like, I don't believe in.
Evolution.

865
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:56,640
He's like.
You believe that the Earth is

866
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:58,880
billions of years old, but you
don't believe in evolution.

867
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:00,320
It's like, no, I don't believe
in evolution.

868
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:03,360
I believe God had special acts
of creation along the way, you

869
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:05,360
know so.
Yeah, that it's so fascinating

870
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,560
how those are so tied, tied
together, but great.

871
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,880
Well, good.
Join us for Episode 2 in this

872
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:13,720
series.
Yeah, So what in that episode,

873
00:44:13,720 --> 00:44:17,200
I'll try to, like, lay out, OK,
You know, young Earth, old

874
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:21,400
Earth, theistic evolution.
Oh yeah, deistic evolution,

875
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:24,840
agnostic evolution, and atheist
evolution.

876
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:27,720
We'll be able to cut a lot of
those off, because if evolution

877
00:44:27,720 --> 00:44:30,440
is false, then all of those go
away, and then we're really kind

878
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:33,160
of left with either old Earth or
young Earth creation.

879
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:34,520
Which one?
Which one's best?

880
00:44:34,720 --> 00:44:37,080
Nice, I like it.
I love it.

881
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:38,480
Hope you learned something about
Yom.

882
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:42,120
That's our take.
Thanks for listening to Take

883
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:44,360
Two.
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884
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:46,880
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885
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:47,520
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