The Life of Paul: From Persecutor to Apostle

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Have you ever just had just a a
thread, a chat, a question and

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it totally get derailed?
You know what I'm talking about.

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Maybe you have to question and
someone just like takes your

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question and comments on it and
it's like, oh man.

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You're like, hey, can we stay
on?

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Can we stay?
On topic, yeah, yeah, this it's

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really weird.
We I I'm in this podcast chat

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with me and a Co host and their
wives.

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Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
And it's turned in, it's turned

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away from the Take Two podcast
as the Chess Club podcast.

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Hey, chess club is important.
I'm, I'm totally kidding.

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It's great.
I love, I, I, I love stuff, you

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know, going oh, did you get
interview with the guy?

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I did.
I actually texted his father and

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I don't know if I told you this.
It wasn't in the chat, yeah.

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Thursday evening and I was like,
hey, weird question, how's your

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son feeling?
Is he going to be at school

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tomorrow 'cause he's the last
one I need to interview for

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chess club and I'm like, and if
he's not going to be there, like

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we're going to start Monday, I'd
like to finalize rosters.

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If he's not going to be there,
maybe we can arrange like a game

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online.
He's like, we can do the game

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online, but I think you will be
there tomorrow.

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And he was.
So how so?

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We start with 15?
How many we cutting?

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15-2, self eliminated.
So I only did 13.

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We're going to go down to 8.
So that's 8. 5 didn't make it

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to.
Get man, Yeah.

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But it's not that like any of
the 13, yeah, could have been on

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it, But it's like when you have
kids that young.

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Yeah, it's hard.
It's hard to really keep them

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really focused.
So you.

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Like post like a like like
having the old school days, like

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you post it up on the bulletin
board and everyone like is like

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scrambling to look at it.
Thankfully, I don't have to deal

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with that.
That's more going to be on Miss

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Hale.
Miss Hale.

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'S going to have to be like,
sorry Jimmy, you didn't make the

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team.
Yeah, here's the ones who made

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it.
I didn't.

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She'll probably be like, I
didn't have anything to do with

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it.
Don't be mad at me and all of

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them be like.
But last year we did the same

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thing.
We started with eight and we

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opened it up and we went up to
16 towards the end.

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I don't that was too.
Many it was getting out of

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control.
So maybe we'll go add 2 or. 4 is

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it only a fifth grade club?
They have older kids that do

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tours like they move on.
They figure they for.

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Lower School is fifth grade
only.

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That was something that Miss Van
Dusen wanted.

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We could relook at it.
There's some schools.

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That have a school, they have a
place to go.

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Middle school through.
Is all together upper school?

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Like yeah, middle.
School through upper School they

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we have.
They have like a chess coacher

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team or.
Whatever.

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Yeah, he's a real.
So you're kind of like prep,

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you're like a entry.
Point Yeah, the the upper school

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chess guy, he's really.
Is it really good?

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Yeah, it's me.
So do you have like a separate

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club or times or is like you
just play them online or is it

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like?
Yeah, so for upper school, we

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used to do Thursday lunch.
So middle school had lunch

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together.
Gotcha.

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And, and it's just wasn't
conducive to learning.

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It didn't have time like to try
to do something.

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So this year we started
something new.

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After school on Wednesdays,
before school on Fridays.

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So 3 to 4 on Wednesdays, 7:00 to
8:00 on.

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Friday, I know you love.
You're a big early riser.

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Yeah, it's fine.
But it there are some people

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like Ryan, he's not the one
anymore.

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Come on.
Hey, Ryan, don't give up because

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it's early.
You could do it.

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Yeah.
But like he has the after school

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1 he could do but so I I know
that we'll probably lose some,

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but the people who are there.
Are in it.

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Are.
Yeah, they're yeah.

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That's cool.
I had I think.

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There's this guy that's playing.
He's a 6th grader, and he gave

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Truck a challenge.
Yeah, you may know him, Emerson.

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Why?
Emerson I I don't think so.

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Yeah.
Oh, that's good.

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Yeah.
So Emerson's, really.

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He's really jumped.
Into it and has like loved it

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and there's.
Two 6th graders that are really,

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really good, Emerson and and
Graham I.

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I guess I can say their name
here.

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I won't say Graham's last name.
But I I was thinking.

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Do you have a social been on the
podcast?

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I guess it's.
OK.

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I was like, what other private
do we have like identifying

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information we can?
Keep and their birthdays are.

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Yeah, but that's great.
And it's like kids these days,

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what I didn't have when I was
into chess was like this chess

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culture, you know what I mean?
Like now when you can like keep

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up with magnet or like that kind
of like feels it more like

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basketball.
You could watch college sports,

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NBA, it kind of like helps like
you stay engaged.

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It's kind of cool that you could
be on like YouTube, like

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watching these people play.
And it can like help like fuel

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that a little bit, you know?
Yeah.

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And then watch and they, they
play some aggressive moves

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sometimes like I would, you
know, I did the other day and I

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was like, this is aggressive,
but I'm going to do it because

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Emerson did it to me and it
worked.

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But I would never like if you,
you know, sorry, but if you had

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like a, a, a King's pawn, King's
pawn, and then you just move

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that Queen's pawn up and
immediately challenge that other

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pawn.
I never did that kind of stuff.

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But you know, there was a, it,
we remind me 5 or 6 moves in.

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I'm like, I want to move my
Queen's pawn up.

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I'm going to break open the
middle.

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My Queen's going to take that
pawn.

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And it worked out nice.
So yeah, a little more

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aggressive because I'm playing
the younger guns.

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And it's so, I mean, so to me,
it's this makes you so much

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easier.
You get on YouTube and like

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watch these things.
I literally to learn openings

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like would pull out a book.
Do you know what I mean?

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And it was like you could you
could definitely learn that way.

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Maybe you're learning was better
because it was more like you're

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in it, but you had to like slog
through this and then it's like

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you're on the chess board and
then your book closes and

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you're.
Like you know what you're like

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trying to find it and you're
I've done it.

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Was very it was very challenging
and that's why I never, I think

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that's one reason I never
progressed like I got from

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beginner to like good when you
learn every I was like learning

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things really quickly and then I
never like took it to the next

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level.
Like can we take this one?

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I kept to the next level.
I never took my chest where I

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was like always an I was.
I'm really good to people who

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casually play chess, but if you
really play chess, then I'm not

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good, you know what I mean?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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No, I'd, you know, I have,
there's a couple times like I've

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played, there are times I look
back and go, that was a really

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good game and it was just like
every I didn't do anything wrong

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and everything the person did
wrong, I capitalize on the

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mistake.
And I played like Richard.

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I played one time, yeah, he's a
good chess player.

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I would say he's a better chess
player than me.

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I've beaten him twice, though.
One time I just was able to he

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miscalculated how fast my pawn
was moving cause pawns.

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They can they.
Can get they can sneak up on you

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and he was like, I'm not going
to stop your pawn promotion and

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he and but then but he outplayed
me that game and it was just

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like he had more material on the
board, but his king was had like

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a back rank weakness and stuff.
So but I played them more

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recently and I had been taking
those lessons by this chess

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coach.
It's like everything like, you

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know, I I don't want to get too
too down the weeds.

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I use the London opening.
My, my, my dark squared Bishop

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was.
I was able to pull it back on

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and then he captured it and
opened up my H file.

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And then my Rook was just
lightened, you know, it was

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just, it's like, yeah.
I always have a hard.

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Time.
But then sometimes I play really

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poorly.
That's the end of that.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, I get
sometimes doesn't go great.

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Yeah, yeah, I have a hard time.
It's like yeah, it's it's hard.

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It's hard to be good at like the
opening and end game, and it's

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hard to be good at all of.
The things.

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Speaking of Emerson, I was
playing him Wednesday afternoon,

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outplayed him, ended up with
King King and I had two pawns.

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And so you should, you should
win, you should win.

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And I stalemated because I made
a move with my king that if you

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only had one pawn it would be
fine.

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But my 2 pawns served me well
because he had basically

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outflanked my king.
He got gained opposition, but I

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was able to push my second pawn
up and therefore he had to move

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his king.
And now I was able to

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breakthrough with my king.
But then at the end, I made a

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move like when you're about to
like the pawn is about to

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promote.
And I made a move and because my

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other pawn was kind of hanging
there in the middle, it took

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away a square.
And then his Kingdom had the

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squares, and they're like, still
made, still made.

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Those are killer.
Like some of those situations

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that like you, you just need to
practice them or like you're

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never in the situations, but
it's like, oh, I should have

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practiced some of that to get my
timing.

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Right.
And I shouldn't have because

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everyone's watching.
I should have just said, OK, I'm

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going to take a second here.
I've got all the time in the

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world.
These squares are covered.

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This square is covered.
OK.

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What I should have done was just
pushed that second pawn.

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It would have checked his king.
His king had to move back.

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And then you have.
The and then I promote and I win

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all day.
So man, you can't.

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You learn you can't win them
all.

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You know who else learned?
What's that?

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Saul, Saul and Paul, he grew, he
learned.

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He had a lot of schooling.
Yeah, we're going to talk about.

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Like Emilio?
Yeah, that's like the Magnus.

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Of that day.
That's exactly right.

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Bringing it all together, we're
going to talk about the life of

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Paul.
Maybe, you know, fire off a

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couple podcasts related to Paul.
So without further ado, let's go

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ahead and take it to the next
level from the hearts of the low

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country in South Carolina.
It's the Take Two podcast, but

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we take theology to the next
level.

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So if you're talking biblical
characters in the New Testament,

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I mean, we did a, we did do a
Bible character draft.

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I mean, OK, so Jesus after
Jesus, what's your short list?

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I mean, Paul was Paul was going
to be there was the top on both

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of our lists.
Right, Yeah, yeah, Paul, Paul

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is, is up there.
You know, wrote a lot of books,

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a lot of letters.
You mentioned in your Sunday

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school class Paul verse Luke.
You know there's a battle there.

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Yeah, yeah.
If you give Hebrews to Paul,

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then he has more words than than
Luke.

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But if you take Hebrews away,
then Luke has the because even

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though he really wrote two
books, Luke and acts very long.

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They they'll do do the trick.
Well, what I wanted to do, I

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took a class in college that I
wish I had paid more attention

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to, but it was called the Life
of Paul.

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Would have been really helpful.
For my my mom took that class

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and I was like, why are you
studying the life of Paul?

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Why shouldn't you say like the
life of Jesus?

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Come on.
I did take Life of Christ as

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well.
OK, alright, I think I've said

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this before.
We had four electives I could

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have taken sophomore year.
Life of Christ.

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So this wasn't in your recent.
No masters that you got.

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No, this was that Bob Jones.
This was a long time ago, so I

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don't remember very much of it
at all, but life of Paul, Life

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of Christ, Bible prophecy, which
boy would I love to take that at

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Bob Jones?
That'd been great.

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I did not because it was
confusing Bible geography.

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Wish I would have taken that.
But the two easiest people said

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life of Christ and life of Paul,
because you're already kind of

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familiar, you know what I mean?
Versus like geography, you got

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to learn a little bit, prophecy,
you got to put all the things in

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order.
Except memory.

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You got to know where that place
is, yeah.

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Yeah, exactly.
So I default those really good

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classes really like my
professor.

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Remember my professor taught
this doctor hand and he talked

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about his experience.
He before he was teaching Bob

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Piers, I think he was a
principal at a place like

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Northside, and he told a very
vivid description of him

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conducting an exorcism at his
Christian.

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School.
Not expecting that at Bob Jones,

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but I reservoir that.
But he was like this little girl

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was speaking in this demonic,
like he was like a little 6 year

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old girl was like, Oh yeah.
And like some sort.

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And he was like and it was very
crazy.

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I mean, I guess if I experience
the same thing, I'd I'd do the

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same thing.
Yeah, yeah.

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He was like, wasn't prepared for
this, but I, you know, yeah.

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But anyway, let's, let's start
very simply.

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Who was Paul?
Yeah, Tribe of Benjamin.

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Oh tribe of Benjamin from Tarsus
which one of my one of something

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that I probably would have
learned in Bible geography is

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when in doubt just say it's
modern day Turkey and that works

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out like 50% of the time.
And I'm pretty sure Tarsus is

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modern day Turkey.
Yeah, I think you're right.

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Yeah.
Yeah.

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So.
That's what I like to do with a

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lot of these things, Like where
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Well, it's modern day Turkey
tribe Benjamin, Jewish by birth.

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So probably named after the
first king of Israel.

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Hey, you know, probably not.
Maybe I don't know.

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I mean Benjamin I.
Almost from the tribe of

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Benjamin.
That that is true seems like a

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weird person to name someone
after, but maybe we're looking

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at the positives, you know?
Yeah, I mean.

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Yeah.
Yeah, I don't know.

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Would you name if you and a son
would Saul be on the top five

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names?
Paul might be, but not Saul.

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Probably, yeah.
But yeah, yeah.

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Timothy.
Oh yeah.

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You know Uriah, We have a friend
whose name has a son named

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Uriah.
And I'm like, you look back at

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Uriah.
He's a good guy, man.

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All around, I feel like if I had
a friend, we actually did have a

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Uriah at Bob Jones in our little
Bob Jones does not have

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fraternities because those are
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We have societies.
With societies.

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Godly and Worshipful.
Do they have Greek letters?

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They do, yeah.
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It's funny.
It's like everything's the same

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but different.
And we had a guy named Uriah.

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Did you have the drink to get
into?

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And every time, yes, watch, they
don't tell.

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They don't talk about the
drinking of Bob Jones, but it's

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heavy kidding.
It's a joke.

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It's a joke.
It's a joke.

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Maybe a guy named Uriah.
And every time, like for all,

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when anyone said Uriah, all of
us in unison, Yeah, it was like

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all the time.
Yeah, I called this guy the

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Hittite for a while, and I don't
think he loved it, so I stopped.

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I just called him Uriah.
Yeah.

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That's great.
So Jewish by birth.

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Also Roman citizen by birth.
Yeah, that's pretty cool.

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Did was he educated?
Yeah, he's a very conservative

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religious Pharisee.
Yeah.

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Yeah.
What's what's that?

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Is it Philippians that passage
where he just like talks about

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all the things that he is?
Maybe.

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I don't know.
You turn to Philippians, I'll

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turn to Galatians.
Galatians is one of his earlier

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books.
So that's where he is basically

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defending that.
He is an apostle, but I don't

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think he goes through all of the
marks.

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This is Galatians I mean sorry
Philippians 3, he says I have

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reason for confidence in the
flesh.

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Also, if anyone thinks he has
reason, I have more circumcised

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on the 8th day check of the
people of Israel.

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She's got the right nation of
the tribe of Benjamin got the

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right tribe, a Hebrew of the
Hebrews as to the law, a

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Pharisee, so really trained
there as to zeal, a persecutor

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of the church.
So not only a Pharisee, but he's

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also got the right personality.
Like he's zealous.

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Like it's not like he was like
educated but not passionate.

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It's like even got the character
traits as to righteousness under

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the law blameless.
So tells us a lot a lot of

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credentials.
Pretty good resume.

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Galatians one opens up appall an
apostle not sent from men nor

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through the agency of man, but
through Jesus Christ and God the

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Father who raised him from the
dead.

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So he, you know, his, you know,
personal interaction with Jesus,

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and he's being sent out directly
by Jesus, not 'cause there's

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other people in the, you know,
you got your 12 apostles, you

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got Mattheus.
Yeah, I know that I'm kind of

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alone on this.
I think Mattheus was not

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supposed to be the one who took
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Wow.
I think it was Paul.

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So I can't, I can't wait for
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Yeah, I'll be like, I love you,
Mattheus, but I think it was

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supposed to be Paul.
I'm sure it was something like

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God still blessed it.
Oh.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But really, I think, Paul, do

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you?
Think they have like like in

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heaven right now.
They have like groups and

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they're like, we invited
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no, no, he's he's like not on
the group chat.

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Like they have like a separate
group chat.

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They probably have one about
chess and one about, you know,

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podcasts.
So fair.

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Fair.
Enough.

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Yeah, Yeah.
Yep, Saul in Acts chapter 8,

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persecutor of the church, it
says he ravaged the church.

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Like he's so zealous, he's
getting after like, I was trying

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to think like how I mean, I, I
can see that if you're in a

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context where you have the
authority and power to really

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hurt people that you believe are
antithetical to what's right,

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Like, and if you, I mean, you
feel like I'm doing the right

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thing.
Yeah, exactly.

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You'll, you'll go as far 'cause
I can see a lot of people be

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like, hey, I, I love Judaism,
but I'm not going to hurt

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someone like Paul's, like Saul's
like, I'm all in.

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Like I'm going to do whatever it
takes.

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I'm committed.
You see that when he's talking

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about, you know, Corinthians,
like I'm going to run as if to

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win.
I'm not going to just box the

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air like that's it was his
attitude even before he was

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converted.
It just like, yeah, his that

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personality was like built for
this.

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He alluded to his fair sake
upbringing.

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Had this great, great teacher.
What do you know what the

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schools, There's these different
schools of Phariseeism that were

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popular.
Right.

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I remember us going through that
when we were talking about Jesus

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being a Pharisee and, well,
Jesus being a rabbi, But you'd

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have to go through these, I'm
guessing, same schools.

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So very respective, steeped in
the Law of Moses.

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These oral tradition had all
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Likely also had strong
background in Greek philosophy

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and rhetoric based on going up
in Tarsus.

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Yeah, well, when he was on the
Mars Hill in Athens, he's

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quoting from their philosophers
and quoting poetry that they

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quote.
So he's he would be some

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somehow.
Somehow, yeah, he's got, he's

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very well-rounded where he's
very Jewish, but he's also got

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this Greek Roman, like he's
very, he can hold his own in

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that context as well, which
turned out great skill set to

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have for what he was going to
have to do.

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Absolutely.
You can really see God's hand in

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his preparation.
Oh, we've probably talked about

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this before.
I have this in here because I'm

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always fascinated, but I think
we talked about it before, a

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little Pharisee, Sadducee
difference.

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I don't know if we necessarily
need to talk about that with

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Paul.
Is that like?

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I mean, maybe because he will
use that towards the end of his

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lot.
Well, maybe, yeah, let's talk

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about the end of his life
because he's, you know, he comes

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back to Jerusalem.
They try to, oh, that's right.

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And he uses the and he basically
aligns himself with the

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Pharisees and the Sanhedrin and
like, you know, divides them.

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That's good.
So Sanhedrin's made-up of both

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of these bodies, right,
Pharisees?

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Depends on how, how you want to
define it.

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Some, you know, I think in some
aspects they were much more

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conservative.
I don't know if you would say

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conservative in this instance
where they accepted more of

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Scripture, like probably more
liberal, like they, they were

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more open with their Canon of
scripture than the Sadducees.

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You know what I'm saying?
Like they explain it's not just

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the Torah.
I I'm okay with law, like

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profits, that kind of thing,
where Sadducees were, I think,

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more liberal, but they were
maybe more conservative with

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their Canon, right?
Yeah.

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I don't know.
I probably just made it way

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confusing for all the listeners.
Well, you could say they're more

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conservative because they say
all of the other stuff also is

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on us, not just the Torah.
That's true too.

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Yeah, right, right.
All the other stuff is on them.

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You're speaking for the the
Pharisees, you're saying, Yeah,

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yeah.
Were they?

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So they were considered that
way, but they also like

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introduced other things that the
Sadducees would be like.

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No, that's like outside of the
scope.

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But the Sadducees were more fast
and loose.

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Right, right, right, right.
Stuff Pharisees I feel like were

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more like not associated with
the temple, Sadducees with the

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temple.
But your point?

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Resurrection of the dead.
Paul knew that was the hot

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button.
Right, right.

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Yeah, yeah.
And that's why they were sad.

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And that's why they were.
Sad to see in a resurrection

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that I mean, classic.
Did you, did you grow up with

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that?
Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, that's why they're sad.
Yeah, that's sad, you see.

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Just like today, pro tip, if
you're just like in a Bible

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study and thing and you just got
to get out of there, you'll be

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like end times and you got and
then it's like what you got, you

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got a little distraction.
You can make a make a break for

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it, you know.
Yeah or yeah, End times or, you

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know, age of the Earth, right
or.

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Decoration.
Yeah, that's, that's great.

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We've got a lot more things
here.

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Pharisees, mostly middle class
Sadducees, maybe more on the

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wealthy side.
They held their power and

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influence through the temple.
Pharisees, on the other hand,

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centered on the synagogue.
Sadducees probably were a little

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bit more in with the Romans
because, you know, the wealth

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and power, that's where they
want to want to be.

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So if we want to jump into this
a little bit, like being a

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Pharisee was no joke.
Right.

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Yeah, it it, it took training.
A lot of training, yeah.

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A lot of I, I mean, I can only
imagine how much maybe all of

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the scriptures he had memorized.
I I don't know.

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Right.
I mean, maybe.

449
00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:50,080
Probably huge, huge passages
that you'd have memorized and

450
00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:54,840
and basically at instant recall.
And so they had the training in

451
00:20:54,840 --> 00:21:00,080
Scripture, like he said in the
Philippians passage, you know,

452
00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,760
with regards to the outward,
yeah.

453
00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:06,480
Blameless, blameless 'cause you
would think that you go down

454
00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:08,800
this path.
You know, we see this today with

455
00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:13,080
people disqualifying themselves.
Probably was a lot easier to be

456
00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:14,320
disqualified, you know what I
mean?

457
00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:17,360
You're like, oh, I saw Jimmy
down by the stream.

458
00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:19,840
He had a lobster and he was
going to town.

459
00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:22,840
Or like, like you, you get like
you have to be so strict to all

460
00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:23,440
of these.
Things.

461
00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:27,160
Where it's probably easier to
get like, OK, you're breaking

462
00:21:27,360 --> 00:21:32,800
breaking this over and over.
They Pharisees weren't preached,

463
00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:36,560
but they were teachers leading
scripture in the synagogue.

464
00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:39,840
Zeal for separation for sin.
The Pharisee that the word

465
00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:41,920
literally comes from the Hebrew
word meaning separate.

466
00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:45,800
They clearly wanted to be
distinct from Gentile sinners,

467
00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:49,120
anything unclean.
And that's why, you know, maybe

468
00:21:49,120 --> 00:21:51,840
there's zeal for holiness
actually, and in and of itself

469
00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:53,920
was, you know, self
righteousness that you can

470
00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:55,600
teeter on that you can see how
that would happen.

471
00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:59,200
So Paul was not just a Pharisee.
Pharisee.

472
00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,800
A Pharisee.
So that's like taking it up and.

473
00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:05,040
That's like, you know, in Men in
Black, he's like the best of the

474
00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:06,920
best of the best, best of the
best.

475
00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:08,840
So like you said, new scripture
inside and out.

476
00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:12,120
He could debate with his
background, Jew, Jews and Greeks

477
00:22:12,120 --> 00:22:15,320
a lot alike.
He understood how to reason from

478
00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:21,720
the Old Testament had this great
grasp to help him throughout big

479
00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:27,920
part Acts 9 big event happens.
Oh yeah, and it's not it's not

480
00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:30,120
Jesus wasn't like, hey, now
you're Paul.

481
00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:32,280
That's like, that's like not
part of it, right?

482
00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:33,600
Yeah.
Now you're Paul.

483
00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:34,600
You're we're going to call you
Paul.

484
00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:36,480
No.
And it's Damascus Rd. account,

485
00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:37,920
it's not just mentioned one
time.

486
00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:41,840
Yeah, he, you, you read it when
it happens, and then under

487
00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:43,800
testimony, he gives it two other
times.

488
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:48,240
And there's slight differences
in details, but it's like, you

489
00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:50,440
know, if you've ever told a
story about what happened to

490
00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:53,080
you, you've probably told it
slightly different.

491
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:54,200
That's.
Right.

492
00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:56,440
You know, being vertical both
times, you know.

493
00:22:56,560 --> 00:23:00,200
That's great, probably lends a
little bit of credibility when

494
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,200
you put all these things
together.

495
00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:05,560
Damascus Rd. conversion
encounter with the risen Christ

496
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:09,120
and transformation from a
persecuted to a preacher and

497
00:23:09,120 --> 00:23:11,600
commissioned as an apostle
because you know it's

498
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:14,080
commissioned by Christ and.
He's 12th apostle.

499
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:16,640
The twent.
There we go to Judas Spot.

500
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:21,800
To the Gentiles.
So we said this in our last

501
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:23,560
podcast.
Saul, Hebrew name, Paul, Greek,

502
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:26,240
Roman name that.
That's probably it.

503
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:28,040
That's like there's nothing more
you can read into.

504
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,280
That yeah, it'd be like Michael
and Miguel.

505
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:32,600
If I went and, you know,
ministered to people in South

506
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,720
America, I'd probably change my,
you know, my name there to

507
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:37,640
Miguel.
Or if I was going to Russia, I'd

508
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:41,240
be Mikhail, you know, very
nothing more than that.

509
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:42,760
Just.
Great.

510
00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:46,640
He wrote thirteen of our New
Testament letters, unless you

511
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:51,840
count Hebrews, then you can add
1 to that. 14 He has his prison

512
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,720
epistles, Ephesians,
Philippians, Colossians,

513
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:58,280
Philemon, pastoral pastoral
epistles, First Timothy, Second

514
00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:01,480
Timothy, Titus, and then we've
got some of these major

515
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:04,320
theological epistles, these
heavy headers, Romans, first and

516
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,800
2nd Corinthians.
We got Galatians and 1st and 2nd

517
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:11,360
Thessalonians are some early
epistles as well.

518
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,680
So he, he wrote a lot, a lot to
different people, to different

519
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,760
churches, kind of kind of doing
it all.

520
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:21,960
Yeah.
My, do you think, have you ever

521
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:23,720
come across was Paul married?
Is this like a thing?

522
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,880
This was a this was a big topic
in our life of Paul Clark.

523
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:28,680
It's like a big topic of like,
debate.

524
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,280
I think he was married and his
wife left him.

525
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:35,000
Yeah, that's what that's that's
what my professor was really big

526
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:38,320
on.
Just basically, because I think

527
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,080
you had to be married to be a
member of the Sanhedrin and he

528
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,040
was there.
That's a good point.

529
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,680
Yeah, that might.
Have you know he was there like

530
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:51,200
probably as a junior member when
Steven was stoned and they laid

531
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:55,200
this the coats at his feet.
So I I assume he was like a

532
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:58,200
junior member of the Sanhedrin
you know kind of up and coming

533
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:02,320
rising star would have been
married has this encounter.

534
00:25:03,120 --> 00:25:07,840
I'm all for Christ and his wife
leaves them, kind of gives birth

535
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:11,080
to, you know, he's like, you
know, if your wife abandoned you

536
00:25:11,120 --> 00:25:13,520
and they're unbeliever.
You can let them.

537
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,640
Leave type thing.
Yeah, this side note came across

538
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:21,000
a meme today that was like it
was about Methuselah and he was

539
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:24,480
like, my wife's bringing up this
fight from 745 years ago.

540
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:30,680
Anyway, just remind him like,
anyway, yeah, so that that's

541
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:33,480
where my professor and there's a
lot of people that are like, no,

542
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:35,480
I don't think he was married.
And it was like we never there

543
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:36,600
was.
It was not like a question on

544
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:40,320
the test or anything, but a
topic of discussion.

545
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,200
But that was a good, you know,
crowd work.

546
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,600
We also talked a lot about like,
what do you think Paul Thornton?

547
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:46,960
The flesh was like, you know,
very productive conversations.

548
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:48,120
You know.
I'll tell.

549
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,840
I'll tell you what my professor
said because you might not see

550
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:54,040
this coming, but yeah.
Well, Greg Koppel, this is one

551
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:56,680
thing I disagree with him on.
He always like thorn in the

552
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,240
flesh.
I mean, we always use that for

553
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:01,520
people.
And so it just seems natural

554
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,120
that it was some enemy or
someone who interesting.

555
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:08,600
And I'm like, what came first,
this thorn in the flesh?

556
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,200
It was written in Scripture and
then we've had 2000 years of

557
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,600
that becoming an idiom.
Like just because that's how we

558
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,440
use it today, like, oh, that
person's been a thorn in our

559
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,760
flesh since day one, does not
mean that that's what it meant

560
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,880
back then.
I just assume it was some type

561
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:24,960
of sin, I don't know.
Oh.

562
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,280
Yeah, yeah, our professor was
really big.

563
00:26:27,360 --> 00:26:31,960
He he I don't know why he
thought this, but he was like he

564
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:36,680
thought Paul was like bald slash
like like like did not look

565
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,240
right or how was like very like
that was like that was a story

566
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,480
in the post, but he was like not
that not saying Paul, but it was

567
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,240
a combination.
Sorry, not not but it was like a

568
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:50,120
combination of like you know and
not being like he would like

569
00:26:50,120 --> 00:26:53,160
speak to people and like not to
foreign, but like with all like

570
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,040
with these different my.
Personal quasi mojo.

571
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:56,600
Yeah, it's something like that.
Yeah.

572
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:58,680
So he wasn't saying bull
necessarily, but he was saying

573
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,600
like all these things and.
Not not physically.

574
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:04,640
It had to get past that like
that was a stumbling block

575
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:05,920
first.
Audience that it was like a

576
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,000
physical thing and then other.
People.

577
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:11,960
So he's asking God to like,
miraculously transform his

578
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:13,160
visage.
I'm just telling you, it's a

579
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:14,440
weird club.
We went all over the punch

580
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:15,600
between exercise.
We, we.

581
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:17,240
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's great.

582
00:27:18,360 --> 00:27:20,920
I assumed either was his
eyesight or sin issue.

583
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,240
Yeah, and I've heard a lot of
people say poor eyesight.

584
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:29,200
Or some sort of to Crete?
Is that where he and Barnabas

585
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,920
and John Mark go to first?
Yeah, and then he gets sick

586
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,760
there and there's a sickness and
by the symptoms they think it

587
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:39,400
may have caused him to lose a
lot of his vision, 'cause then,

588
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,760
you know, his lot of letters, he
said, you can tell I'm writing

589
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:43,480
this 'cause I'm using big, let
big.

590
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:47,040
So maybe he's asking for his
vision to be to be fixed.

591
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:51,720
Yeah, that makes more sense than
what you know, Bob Jones

592
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:52,640
teaches.
I'm just kidding.

593
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:54,000
That was just he and he was
clear.

594
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,040
Like, I'm not saying this is
dogmatic or anything like that,

595
00:27:56,560 --> 00:28:00,080
but the point is Scripture is
not concrete on this.

596
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:04,040
It leaves it open, you know,
purposes, theological, not

597
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:07,280
biographical.
In this case, Paul's missionary

598
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:08,480
journeys.
We hear about missionary

599
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,800
journeys a lot.
And I think some people know

600
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:14,480
some stuff.
And this was, this was part of

601
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,200
the test.
This is part of the test.

602
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:21,440
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
A lot of people like we had to

603
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:22,880
like map them out and all these
things.

604
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,240
But I think it's one of the.
Things that to be able to go

605
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:26,960
city to city in your class it
was.

606
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,600
Something like that, Yeah.
And I did not it.

607
00:28:30,360 --> 00:28:32,280
And just like any other person,
like I did not understand.

608
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:35,000
It's like you just like memorize
names of places, you know what

609
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:36,880
I'm saying?
This this, this, this this.

610
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:38,320
Yeah, and it's like, oh, you
don't learn anything.

611
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:41,840
You just memorize like the the
key things.

612
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:46,120
And so Acts records a lot of
these, you know, and I I would

613
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,480
do a bad job, but always like I
always like every map in the

614
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,320
back of the Bible is like your
CHEAT SHEET.

615
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:51,960
You know what I mean?
It's like it shows you exactly.

616
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,720
Where things go, I think it's
and you'd have to look, but I

617
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,000
think that's the first one.
They come out of Antioch and

618
00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:00,240
they go up and they come back
down and then the next two they

619
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,160
like circle around and come
back.

620
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:06,480
And then what I call what I
allude to as the 4th 1 is he's

621
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,560
taken off to Rome.
We think he was freed, maybe

622
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:14,760
have gone to Spain and back and
then so that would be maybe his

623
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:18,200
fourth missionary journey.
But we don't have concrete

624
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,120
evidence of that.
It's just some of the early

625
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:24,360
Church fathers and stuff like
that say, say that, yeah.

626
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:26,800
Establish a lot of churches
along the way.

627
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,280
You know, spend a lot of times
in places like Antioch and

628
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,880
Corinth and Ephesus and Philippi
and Thessalonica.

629
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:36,480
A lot of tough times, a lot of
persecution, you know, some boat

630
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,840
mishaps.
Yeah, what's the guy in Acts 9?

631
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,440
Is it Simeon who goes in?
Oh, is the guy who's designed?

632
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,160
I think that's right.
And he says, I'm going to show

633
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,880
him all that he must suffer for
the sake of the gospel.

634
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,040
Yeah, it's it's right there.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

635
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:55,200
And it's like he doesn't know
this, but I'm going to show him.

636
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,240
It's either starts with it's
either Simon or it starts with

637
00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,120
an A.
You tell me what it.

638
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,040
Is Ananias.
Cananias, Cananias.

639
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:02,640
Yeah, that's right.
That is right.

640
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,760
Good.
Nice.

641
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:11,440
So Paul did a lot.
When we look at these 13

642
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,680
letters, really, you know,
people will even speak about

643
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,200
Pauling theology or, you know,
when you talk about how how he

644
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,360
develops certain ideas,
specifically when you think

645
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,280
about things like justification
by faith, you think of this

646
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:26,280
phrase in Christ, Speaking of
reunion with Christ, grace

647
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:27,960
versus law.
Paul's like hitting these kind

648
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,680
of things pretty often.
We didn't hit this, but you

649
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:32,400
might know, I feel like you're
the Galatians guy.

650
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,520
Talk about his time in the
desert or you know, like there

651
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:36,840
14 years, you know what I'm
saying?

652
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:38,280
Like there's like some of this
stuff.

653
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:42,120
He talks about I think it was it
14 or 7.

654
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:42,800
Years.
I could be wrong.

655
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:44,360
I just made it.
I mean, I just, it's not in our

656
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:45,840
notes, but I was.
Just yeah, yeah, there's some

657
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:50,080
period of time where it's like
he's being taught personally.

658
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:51,760
It's interesting.
Jesus.

659
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:55,960
And then for some reason, he's
concerned that he's gotten some

660
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:59,920
things wrong.
So he goes up to Jerusalem S

661
00:30:59,920 --> 00:31:02,920
from where he was, but up to
Jerusalem to kind of talk with

662
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:08,880
the big, the big three, Peter,
James and John and basically

663
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,560
say, hey, this is what I've been
teaching.

664
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:13,840
I don't want to be running in
vain that this is what you are

665
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:15,000
teaching too.
Yep, Yep.

666
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:16,400
You're good.
You're good, you're good.

667
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:21,560
So it seems in a sense that he
he was being taught by Jesus.

668
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,400
There's a place where I think in
either First Second Corinthians,

669
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,400
he talks about being caught up
into the 3rd heaven.

670
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,080
And a lot of people, I think,
think that happened during that

671
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:34,120
time when he was being basically
personally taught by Jesus.

672
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:40,080
But yeah, we don't.
Maybe maybe some of this is he

673
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,640
kind of gets these initial
visions from Jesus, like the

674
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,680
road to Damascus, maybe a couple
more, but then he spends time

675
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,880
going back in the Old Testament,
like and studying and stuff.

676
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:50,880
We just don't have all the
details.

677
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,760
I'll, I'll read some of this and
then we can rap.

678
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,720
It's not going to help us out
totally, but at least give us a

679
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:05,280
sense of some of this timeline.
He says that I did not

680
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:08,120
immediately consult with anyone,
nor did I go to Jerusalem to

681
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:09,480
those who were apostles before
me.

682
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:13,000
But I went away into Arabia and
returned again to Damascus.

683
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,480
Then after three years, I went
up to Jerusalem to visit Cephas

684
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,480
and remained with him 15 days.
But I saw none of the other

685
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:21,240
apostles except James, the
Lord's brother.

686
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:22,680
And what I'm running to you
before God.

687
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:24,760
I do not lie.
And I went to the regions of

688
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,720
Syria and Cilicia, and I was
still unknown in person to the

689
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:29,440
churches of Judea that are in
Christ.

690
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,640
They only were hearing it said.
He used to persecute us, now

691
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,040
preaching the faith he once
tried to destroy.

692
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:36,440
And they glorify God because of
me.

693
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,320
And then after 14 years, I went
up again to Jerusalem with

694
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:41,800
Barnabas.
So we see some of this timeline

695
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,880
where probably needed that this
three years away.

696
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:46,000
Yeah.
I think when he goes up to

697
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,680
Barnabas is where he says he
submits his gospel to.

698
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:51,800
Yeah, yeah, I think that's
right.

699
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,640
And they gave, does he say they
gave me the right-handed

700
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:55,520
fellowship or something like
that?

701
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,200
Or he says something like being
accepted by them?

702
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,240
Yep, right-handed fellowship.
Yep, that's exactly right.

703
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:04,080
Yeah.
That's why we we when you were

704
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:07,440
baptized and became a member at
First Baptist Church in

705
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:11,800
Baltimob, we would shake their
hand, right?

706
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:13,680
Of fellowship, literally, I love
it.

707
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:15,280
I love it.
What a what a great picture

708
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:16,920
there.
Awesome.

709
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:22,800
Well, that's like a re that's
like a overview on Saul, you

710
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,760
know, great life that no one's
beyond God's grace.

711
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,280
God uses people's backgrounds
for mission, you know, even

712
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:32,040
before they come to Christ.
And weakness is the stage for

713
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:33,720
God's strength.
So a lot of stuff.

714
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:35,560
Maybe we'll talk a little bit
about, you know, some of these

715
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:37,560
different areas of what Paul
wrote.

716
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:42,840
And maybe you talk about some of
the stuff that we don't know

717
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,360
that that we think we know.
Maybe, you know, is death and

718
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:46,880
stuff.
Oh yeah, that would be good be

719
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:48,400
yeah, that's good.
Close to that I.

720
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,200
Love it.
Well, that's our take.

721
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:54,040
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722
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723
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