Was Melchizedek a Christophany?

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All right, we are back.
Take 3.

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Nice.
We had a couple of technology

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issues, but same day, same
setting our our last time that

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we aired.
This will probably we'll

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probably give a little bit of
space, you know, space out.

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So we did our episode on
Michael.

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So now we're going to be looking
at another similar figure from

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the Old Testament.
But you know, Clay has been

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faithful to bring US energy
drinks.

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And if he'd have known, if we'd
have known that we're going to

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put push this into two podcast,
he would have brought us, I

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would.
Have bought another.

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I would have brought another
drink but I only brought one

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because I thought this was a one
podcast.

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Yeah, this is this.
Is dose.

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Yeah, yeah.
So this is 2.

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So we we are, I think Zach is
still finishing up the Jolly

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Rancher.
I I switched over to just plain

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water here.
But Zach, you had an adventure

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this weekend.
Yeah, did.

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Went to the great outdoors, you
know, camp.

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Tried to unlock my inner
manliness.

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That did not go well, but I
survived.

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Probably the worst part is it's
all snake.

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It's kind of.
Boring.

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Who likes snakes anyway?
Yeah, so I did get a picture of

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that snake and snakes, they can
be a little bit deceptive

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because I looked at it and I was
like immediately, it's like

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brown water snake.
And then I was like, let me do a

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triple check because I'd hate
for me to have misidentified

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this.
That would have ruined the.

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Camping and someone to to grab
it so I was like Oh yeah yeah it

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is a brown water snake but
pretty cool there I've not seen

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one in the wild but I hear
they're pretty chill It's.

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Pretty, it's pretty amazing.
Like you're missing out, you're

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missing out.
I was actually a little bit

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scared because I thought it was
poisonous.

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I mean, I don't mean effects
because I really didn't.

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I just don't know what to think
and I was like man if only a

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royal Ranger were with me to
save the day.

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I.
Mean you need Royal Ranger

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around when things like that.
We have a Royal Ranger on the

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podcast.
I I back in the day, I was a

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Royal Ranger.
I don't know how many of y'all

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remember that, but for a brief
time of my childhood I was a

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royal Ranger and we went camping
one time.

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The highlight was did go ahead.
Go ahead.

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The highlight was whenever I was
about 8 years old, I feel like

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there was this thing that we
could get called the cut and

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chop card.
Boom, do you?

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Remember anything you had to do?
I I don't remember, I feel like

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that there was something I had
to do, maybe like prove that I

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could whittle.
I don't know.

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Have you seen those awesome
courses like where they have

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like different ropes and paper
that you have to?

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Oh no, that would have been
cool.

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That would have been really
cool.

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That would have been really fun
as an 8 year old.

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But I just wanted to get it
because my dad said I could not

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have a knife and carry a knife
with me until I got this card,

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proving that I was responsible.
Yeah.

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So do you, do you know if that
happened before or after you

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went camping?
Like did you get sick the knife

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on the camping?
Trip I did.

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I'm pretty sure that was before
the camping trip, So yes.

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Yeah.
So I was safe from snakes 'cause

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I had my tiny Swiss Army knife
with with tweezers and a

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toothpick.
You know, scissors, I think.

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Wine bottle Corkscrew, Did it
have that on?

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There, it didn't have that.
OK, Yeah, I don't know.

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It was the, it was the very
small skinny one, like the

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minimal, like, yeah, five things
or something like that.

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Yeah, yeah.
Well, it's pretty cool, pretty

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cool Royal Ranger.
I was in Awana, which is not

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anything Royal Ranger related,
but they make you like dress up

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in these uniforms that kind of
look like Boy Scout uniforms.

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You know what I'm saying?
Like you have like the little

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handkerchief thing and you have
like all the.

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We had uniforms, tatches.
Oh yeah.

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I was in We Blows.
You know what We Blows is?

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Watch your mouth.
I don't know.

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Yeah.
It's the it's the level before

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Boy Scouts.
You're not old enough to be a

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Boy Scout.
And it's and it's we blows

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stands for we will be loyal
scouts.

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Like, it's like we're looking
forward to it one year.

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We didn't have a a lot of people
in my small town to volunteer.

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So my dad volunteered to be our
den scouting.

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He grew up in Flint, MI, you
know, in the middle of the city.

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Like scouting was not his thing.
So this is a little bit of a

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stretch for him.
And I was like, OK, one and

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done.
We're good.

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You know, I didn't feel like I
learned a whole lot other than,

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yeah, we would.
We would go in our little Hut

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and play and like, read this.
We blow book.

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But we didn't really actually do
any scouting.

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I'm good.
Yeah.

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Man, I have to check check it
out.

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I could have used some of those
Royal Ranger Ranger skills.

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I'm gonna, I'm gonna Google.
I wanna see if can we get a

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picture of Clay and his Royal
Ranger outfit to put on right

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here.
My mom might have one, I will

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ask.
We should.

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That would that would be awesome
if I could get one.

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I will do my best 'cause I swear
it was like AI feel like it was

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like a yellow like handkerchief
like I don't know I'm like.

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Did you guys have like a motto,
like a song?

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Like we're really little.
We're the Rangers.

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We're the Rangers.
I don't know, I have a horrible

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memory of my childhood.
But be responsible.

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I bet there's like a cool
little.

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You had hair, Probably.
I did I.

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Did in my in my mind, you've
you've had a bounty and you're

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bald all the time, even if I.
Expect to see an 8 year old with

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a little goatee and be bald.
That would be awesome.

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I had a nice thick head of hair.
I don't know.

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Man me too.
Me too bro.

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I don't.
Me too.

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Man, well, this dovetails nicely
with Melchizedek.

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Yeah, just, you know, right,
Right.

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Boy Scouts.
Melchizedek Royal.

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Rangers.
Oh royal Royal, royal

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priesthood.
Royal Priesthood.

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Yeah, wow.
Well, I don't think we can do

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any any better than that.
So Clay, do it once again.

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Let's let's take it to the next
level.

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From the hearts of the Low
Country in South Carolina.

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It's the Take Two podcast where
we take theology to the next

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level.
All right, Melchizedek, the king

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of Salem.
So this you know, again, one of

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those characters like Michael
when we talked last, there's not

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a whole lot of scripture about
him kind of shows up, goes away.

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So we have him, you know, at the
end of, you know, the lot get

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swept up in this army.
These I think a handful of kings

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like come and conquer where a
lot is living.

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Abraham and nine other tribal
leaders from what I understand

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might this might take on it.
Go and save him.

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They split the bounty and then
Abraham takes 110th of all that

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bounty or 100% of all of his
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Think that's how it works out
and then gives that to

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Melchizedek because he's like, I
don't want to be people say that

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Gentiles made me rich.
And so that's one of so that is

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one of our verses from that.
So Genesis 1418.

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This is just kind of in the
middle of it.

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And Melchizedek, king of Salem
brought out bread and wine.

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He was the priest of God,
Messiah, and that was who

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Abraham was giving that tithe
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You know, Melchizedek is such I
I know we coming off the heels

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of our last pocket.
We just recorded Michael, not a

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lot of text devoted to him, but
man, coming in hot every time.

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It's like if you're only gonna
say like a couple of verses,

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couple of passages, Genesis,
there's not a whole lot.

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It's weird that OK, we know king
of Salem emphasis for whatever

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reason, bread and wine he would
and then emphasis.

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Not only is he a king, but he's
a priest.

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It's like 3 things and a short
amount of space to to me, it's

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like even more compelling a
little bit.

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I think that Michael Pocket
Spirit, this is more compelling

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because it's like everything's
like there's so much going on

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and not a lot of space.
Right.

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Yeah.
And some people have made so the

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question that we're going to be
asking.

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It's the same question we asked
about Michael the Archangel.

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And this one I think people
would be more familiar with.

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Like, most people have probably
not considered Michael the

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Archangel as another title for
God the Sun.

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I mean, I grew up and people
were talking about, well, is

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Melchizedek a theophany or
Christophany?

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And when I was younger, I
thought for sure, yes, he was

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just because it was cool.
You know, it was kind of weird.

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And then I was like, no, maybe
it's not.

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And now I'm, you know, I want to
look at it afresh with new eyes

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and make a reasoned, rational
decision.

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So anything else about this
initial passage?

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Trying to see if there's
anything else that is said here.

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I think it's unique that that he
brought out bread and wine.

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You know, I think that you know,
because I don't know how how

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normal that was when it came to
priestly what they would do or

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or thing.
But I think that that's a cool

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to me that just stands out like
bread and wine, like Jesus, you

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know, had broke the bread and
wine in the Last Supper.

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Like, I don't know, I just think
that's a cool parallel there.

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Now that that is pretty cool and
you know, we all know non

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alcoholic wine.
I was gonna make that clear

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right straight grape juice,
Welch's Welch's finest.

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I think that to me that statics
is like man, it's like king

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priest bread and wine.
If you're only gonna like touch

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on a couple things.
That's what we're gonna spend

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our text talking about crazy to
me.

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Let's keep let's keep rooting on
Psalm 1110.

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It's like we haven't heard about
Melchizedek like for a long time

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and then all of a sudden we're
gonna interject.

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The Lord has sworn so he will
not change his mind.

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You are a priest forever after
the order of Melchizedek, so

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reiterates Priest adds on this
eternal aspect.

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Also kind of weird if you're,
you know.

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This is about 500 years, You
think between Abraham and the

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writing of the Psalms is that
Abraham is around 14.

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Is that right?
Well, my God, do I have it

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right?
Let's.

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Let's do the.
You probably probably are right.

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I'm not. 2000 further back.
I I I was always thinking like

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around 2000 ish.
Moses is 14.

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Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, Abraham is like

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1819, so this is 1000 years,
9900.

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A thousand years later, Boop, we
get inspired scripture to talk

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about Melchizedek again and it
again, it's this little blip on

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the radar.
But like you said, yeah,

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interesting things that are are
said about him and and we have

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this kind of this eternal aspect
to the order of Melchizedek.

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You're a priest after his order
for forever.

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Yeah.
And then Hebrews just comes in

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just hit just almost like
doubling what we what the

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scripture has already said.
So I don't know if one of y'all

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want to want to hit those.
Well, 5-6 says, as he says also

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on another place you are a
priest forever after the order

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of Melchizedek.
So what we just we just quoting

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that and then a few verses
later, 510 says being designated

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by God a high priest after the
order of Melchizedek.

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And if you've read through
Hebrews, they're trying to say

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he's making the argument that
Jesus can be a priest.

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He's not a Levitical priest.
He doesn't fall on that line.

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He's not of the tribe of Levi.
His priesthood is even further

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back.
It extends to the order of

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Melchizedek, which was higher
than Levi, because if Abraham

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gave ties to Melchizedek, then
you only give ties to someone

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who's greater than you.
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loins of Abraham, Melchizedek
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because Melchizedek was greater
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Yeah, that, that, that's pretty
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Yeah, that a lot is just packed
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And then you just read 510.
Yes, let's close it out.

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Last time we read about
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says where Jesus has gone as a
forerunner on our behalf, having

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become a high priest forever
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So hitting a lot of the, a lot
of the same beats Priest

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eternal.
We see a lot of this kind of

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stuff.
It's weird, it's short, it's

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sweet, but a lot is going on.
So I think that helps set this

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stage.
We at least have the texts from

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Scripture in mind as we kind of
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That's great.
Anything to say before we get

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into the pros and cons?
I think the same way that just

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something that popped out to me
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I think that all the other
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terminology like never ending,
you know, I think that that's

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hugely important.
Like Jesus and God are never

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ending, like his reign shall be
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His priesthood shall be never
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So and.
I don't know if we get into

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this, but we should.
We should know that Clay has set

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foot on what supposedly you know
is is the temple.

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Not just me, you.
You were there.

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You were there as well.
Can I, can I say together Tesla

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brothers?
That that was a unique part of

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our trip to Israel, though, is
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We had to like walk through like
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workers only 'cause I guess
stuff has not been totally

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published and consensus not
reached and that kind of thing.

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Because I think a lot of people
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not like this public thing.
We're going to say, hey, this is

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not because it's like temple and
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And it is very crazy being that
I don't know how what I was

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going to expect, but it's not
it's not what I would expect.

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It's very.
Located in reference to the Big

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Temple Mount.
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It's like the city, it's like
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which is crazy.
And there's a passage, you might

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recall this better 'cause I'm
just trying to recall it where

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David is like, oh, there's a
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a priest of the line of the
Jebusites or something, or the

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people before here.
It's, it's not dogmatic, but

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it's almost like these two
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where David doesn't like, get
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Do you know what I'm saying?
I vaguely remember that, yeah.

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I, I, I might, I might look this
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but it's a, it's a weird
question like why is there this

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priest and why is there this
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And some people have totally
hypothetical.

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Maybe there's a connection to
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I don't know.
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And that would probably leave
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Christophany, if that is because
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that they're not, then you would
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And and if that's.
The I will look this up.

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Maybe we'll we'll come back to
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All right, so just going through
some of the arguments for and

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against.
So we read through those verses

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and then so we would say, man,
we don't really have any

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genealogy any past, you know,
present.

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He just shows up like no history
to him and then he's gone.

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Hebrews 7 three states that he's
without father, without mother,

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without genealogy, having
neither beginning of days nor

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end.
That's that's let me just verify

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because chat did not give me
these are notes that I I helped

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to make with chat, but I don't
want to make something that's

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speaking clearly about Jesus.
OK, so let me just read this,

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because that was 7 in your.
So let me just read this opening

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of Hebrews 7 says for this
Melchizedek, king of Salem,

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priests of the Most High God,
who met Abraham as he was

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returning from the slaughter of
the kings and blessed him, to

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whom also Abraham apportioned a
tenth part of all the spoils,

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was first of all by the
translation of his name, king of

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righteousness.
And then also king of Salem,

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which is king of peace, without
father, without mother, without

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genealogy, having neither
beginning of days nor end of

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life, but made like the Son of
God, He remains a priest

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perpetually.
So that's pretty, that's pretty

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strong.
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Don't know.
That seems really clear.

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I don't know.
So, yeah, so that is a pretty

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strong argument.
He shows up, he doesn't have

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genealogy.
We don't see, cause lots of

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times we'll say was the son of,
was the son of, was the son of

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or bigot.
We don't get that with

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Melchizedek.
Hebrew 7 says he doesn't have a

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father.
He doesn't have a mother,

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doesn't have a genealogy,
doesn't have beginning of days

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nor end of life.
Now, I guess you could say,

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well, he's just, we're just
saying that literally he just

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shows up.
You know?

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That's right.
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And then if Jesus is ultimate
high priest, Melchizedek's

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priesthood is superior to the
Levitical priesthood.

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This could imply that Jesus was
Melchizedek.

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Yeah, I think that's good.
And on on these opposing

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arguments, I think this is a
good point.

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Not that you have to, but man,
it's like Hebrews is sitting how

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great Christ is a lot.
It'd be nice if you again, it

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would be nice if you like.
BTW, Christ is Melchizedek.

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Right, right.
That would be nice, but that it

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doesn't say that.
And OK, so this Hebrew 7 three

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may not be literal.
This this without, you know, it

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could just be in the the the
literary sense.

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Hebrews calls Melchizedek a man,
so could not be a Christophany,

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right?
Right.

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It would imply at least it's.
Yeah, not a divine being.

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I see that, yeah.
But Jesus became a Jesus was a

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man.
That's right, that's not a slam

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doctrine.
And then, if Melchizedek were

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Christ, the author of Hebrews
would likely have stated it

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explicitly, which is what you
were just asking for.

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Yeah, exactly.
Right.

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So I like, I like that we we're
getting kind of both sides kind

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of the pushback side of things
to say.

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Not that everything's like the
greatest argument, but it's like

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it's good to push back on there.
This might remind you of the

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Michael podcast, but talking a
little bit about titles,

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implications, names, that kind
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What, what does Melchizedek mean
or what, what kind of

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phraseology or words would you
associate with this guy?

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Well.
Yeah, go ahead.

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No.
I was gonna say, well, we were

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just told he's the king of
righteousness.

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He's the king of Salem and Salem
means peace.

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So you would think, oh, those
are those are they seem.

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Like pretty big, like out of all
the, all the like attributes and

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and, you know, modifiers, it's
like are, you know, those are

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pretty, those are pretty spot
on.

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Was was Salem also like the the
pre name of Israel or?

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I think Jerusalem.
Jerusalem.

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Right, OK.
Yeah, yeah, it was.

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I don't know what Giroux
probably means something in

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Hebrew.
I'm not.

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Yeah.
And I think that.

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If you've been to Israel, you
should know this.

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I'm just saying I haven't been
to Israel.

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So that's my, that's my.
I get out of.

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Yeah, I I think, I think you're
exactly, exactly right.

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This is supposed to be the same,
same spot.

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I don't know all the name
behind.

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It not to tie into our last
podcast, but King of Israel,

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King of kings, Prince of Israel,
like those Christophany type

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figures and and hints.
I don't know that kind of, I

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think it kind of ties together.
Well, let's keep going with some

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of these King Prince titles in
Isaiah 9.

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Everyone around Christmas time
knows this one Christ is called

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the Prince of Peace and embodies
righteousness.

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If you're pulling from prophecy
in Jeremiah 23 those aligned

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Melchizedek's names.
I don't know if I would these

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verses have to support this, but
I think we all would say

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righteousism peace.
That's a pretty big part to

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what?
To what Christ does.

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And if Sam refers to Jerusalem,
which, whichever.

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Means you will see.
So it literally translates.

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You will see peace.
There you go.

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So that connection, you can see
this kind of connection, this,

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this future king of Jerusalem.
So that that's on the affirming

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side.
I mean you guys want the the

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other side of things.
Oh, I think we should make Clay

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read the opposing arguments
since he's.

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Are y'all Are y'all picking on
me?

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Yeah, yeah, OK.
Many biblical names are symbolic

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of Melchizedek and could have
been a righteous king without

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being divine.
That's right.

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There's a lot of names in there
that mean like really good

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things that you could associate
with Christ.

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Yeah, Mike, Michael, that's
right.

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And there's we don't really get
a direct claim to divinity from

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Genesis or Hebrews, but man,
there's a lot said that you, you

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know, it would make you go, hmm,
you know, inquiring minds want

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to know why these things were
said about him.

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Priest of God, Oh, go ahead.
Clay, I don't know if those are.

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I haven't seen any great
arguments yet.

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I don't know.
I don't know.

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I mean, even even the ones
earlier about him being a man.

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I mean, Jesus became a man.
Oh.

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Yeah, I was saying that and
y'all took it, you know, you

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know.
Oh yeah, I guess that's good.

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I was saying that because it's
not a good argument the way I

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said it, because, you know,
Jesus did become a man and then

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when the Angel Lord presented
himself as a man.

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So those those are, I don't
think that's a great argument.

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Well, let's keep talking.
Titles he's referred to in

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Genesis 14, Priest of God Most
High.

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You know, if we're looking at
the, you know, trying to affirm

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this argument we're making, this
is the very earliest mention of

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a priest in Scripture.
And sometimes when you see

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things for the first time,
there's a reason for that.

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You know, Genesis One has a lot
of big deal stuff in there that

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that was he carried around a
lot.

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So maybe there's a unique,
unique role here.

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We see in Hebrew 7, the
priesthood is eternal, which

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should also, like, raise your
eyebrows a little bit more.

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So not just a human priest, but
an eternal priest.

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OK, I can see these connections.
Yeah, the the he has the title

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of king.
I was going to say priest.

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He was.
It was two things.

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He was priest and title.
Of king priest, we don't ever

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give him.
He doesn't.

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We don't get the title of
prophet, but man that would be

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like.
That would have.

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Been so that.
Would be the perfect Trinity.

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Right, right.
Yeah, yeah, so but you have some

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other non Israelite figures who
worship the true God.

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So you have Job, you have
Jethro, so could be a non

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Israelite who's worshipping the
true God, some Canaanite or some

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other ITE that's there and just
happened to know the true God

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possibly.
And then chat says this and I'm

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going to because I was asking
chat to to give me some

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arguments against.
So maybe we should have someone

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better than Chad give us
arguments in the future.

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But since Christ priesthood is
compared to Melchizedek, it's

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not equated with it, but I think
it's of the the order of I think

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it's stronger than what Chad is
wanting to give us there.

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Man, yeah, I think, I think I
think you're right.

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Kind of jumping off of Hebrew 7,
going back to this without

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father, without mother.
Reminds me of the there's like a

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00:22:26,360 --> 00:22:28,360
Doctor Seuss book, like are you
my mother or something?

450
00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:29,640
We should have Melchizedek
edition.

451
00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:32,760
Like can't find one eternal.
Let's like, let's, let's, you

452
00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:34,320
know, let's redeem Doctor.
Seuss.

453
00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:35,880
Doctor Seuss, maybe?
It's not.

454
00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:37,560
That's not a popular Doctor
Seuss book.

455
00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:40,200
I don't like Doctor Seuss.
I just let's see if this is even

456
00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:43,120
a thing.
Doctor Seuss uses real rhymes

457
00:22:43,120 --> 00:22:44,560
though.
Not slant rhymes, I mean.

458
00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:48,440
This is not a Doctor Seuss book.
Maybe it it it just looks like

459
00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:51,920
Doctor Seuss.
It's I'm I'm going to not that

460
00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:53,720
we need to get it's like, are
you my mother?

461
00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:54,880
And it's got a Doctor Seuss
thing.

462
00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:56,680
But Doctor Seuss is not right.
I got you.

463
00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:58,880
I got you.
It's like Doctor Seuss.

464
00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:02,440
Book well, so probably the best
kids book ever written.

465
00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:03,840
I know we're taking a shorter
side.

466
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:07,160
King's Wish.
I have like 5 or 6 copies.

467
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,160
It's old.
They don't print it anymore.

468
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:11,960
So like I had to like go buy the
resellers so I could give to my

469
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:14,720
to my kids.
But I think after Doctor Seuss

470
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,600
wrote some, he there was a
company that produced other

471
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:20,560
books that had like the Doctor
Seuss logo that they were

472
00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:22,480
printed by him, but they weren't
written.

473
00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:24,480
I.
I got the I got the scoop here,

474
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:26,400
not that anyone cares on a
different podcast.

475
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,400
I'll be the first one to say it.
I, I think Doctor Seuss is

476
00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:32,200
overrated.
I, I came out so I'm not, I'm

477
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:35,760
not a apologist for Doctor
Seuss, but are you My mother is

478
00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:38,560
written by PD Eastman.
This is what you know it's

479
00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:40,760
saying.
It's a timeless classic that was

480
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:44,120
published in 1960.
So I guess at that point Dr.

481
00:23:44,120 --> 00:23:45,880
Seuss was like just supervising
things.

482
00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,320
He was not like, he was just
like, I'm a manager now.

483
00:23:48,360 --> 00:23:50,360
You write stuff and it'll stamp
my little logo on it.

484
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:52,840
So I think there's a lot of
books like that.

485
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,640
Under his Yes, King's Wish is
one of those books.

486
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:58,600
Great business model, just, you
know, stamped.

487
00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:04,040
By Benjamin Elkin Illustrated by
Someone Short Hall.

488
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,800
I only know that because I
recorded it on YouTube.

489
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:08,040
It's out there so you can go
find.

490
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:11,880
Hey there, there we go.
Well, going back without father,

491
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:16,400
without mother, that you know
that lack of genealogy here that

492
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,640
that's pretty strong in itself
that there's not there's this

493
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:24,200
earthly origin really really
can't can't find it talks about

494
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,680
being a priest perpetually,
something that continues

495
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,600
forever.
Suggests he's not a mortal man.

496
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:33,000
And if he's made like the Son of
God, this could suggest pre

497
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,320
Incarnate in Christ.
And I said, I think we've been

498
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:36,880
talking about, we're hitting
these things over and over

499
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:38,080
again.
You don't have a lot of text,

500
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,160
but it's like, man, this is the
kind of stuff that really makes

501
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:41,800
you can make these connections.
Right.

502
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:45,880
And and again, kind of on the
other side could be figurative

503
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:50,480
language.
We don't get genealogies for

504
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:51,360
everyone.
So like we don't have a

505
00:24:51,360 --> 00:24:53,680
genealogy of Job.
We don't really know where Job

506
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,280
came from.
So it's not like it's a slam

507
00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:58,800
dunk.
So, but I wouldn't, I wouldn't

508
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:04,840
rest my case from Melchizedek on
without father, without mother,

509
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:06,680
but.
There's but wouldn't it be weird

510
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,720
if it was like, hey, and this is
Job, he's eternal and had no

511
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:14,560
parents?
Yeah, yeah, Yeah, it is.

512
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,840
That would be so.
Anything to say without father?

513
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:18,600
Without mother?
Clay I.

514
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,560
I don't know.
I mean that just like Zach's

515
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:25,320
saying there's not, there's
nobody else really said anything

516
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,160
like that about.
I don't, I don't know.

517
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,480
It seems really strong.
Again, a good strong argument

518
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,920
for in the Win in the West
column.

519
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,120
Really quick you you paying
Doctor Seuss where we stand?

520
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:38,360
I'm indifferent, part of me.
He was.

521
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:40,920
He was OK, I mean.
I'm glad to hear that because I

522
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,360
think people give him
overwhelming support if you just

523
00:25:43,360 --> 00:25:46,240
make up words that rhyme.
I'm just saying that that's like

524
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:48,120
a get out of jail free card.
I'm just like, you got to

525
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:49,920
impress me with actual rhymes
anyway.

526
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,320
Back.
Come on, here's the deck and I

527
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:55,040
did remember.
I just want to re redeem myself.

528
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:58,760
Leonard Shorthall was the was
the illustrator of Kingswood.

529
00:25:58,760 --> 00:25:59,840
That's.
Great, Someone was sitting there

530
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:01,160
listening.
Like there's a short.

531
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,720
There's a lot of stories.
They were typing in the comments

532
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:07,840
section right now.
All right, so the relationship

533
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:12,480
between Melchizedek and Christ
priesthood says a priest forever

534
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,760
after the order of Melchizedek.
So we read these verses, Psalm

535
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:22,160
110, Hebrews 7, 11 through 28,
Christ is pictured as the

536
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,360
ultimate fulfillment of
Melchizedek's priesthood.

537
00:26:25,360 --> 00:26:27,800
You know, so the Levitical
priesthood's going away.

538
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:32,440
We're bringing this kind of this
not well known, you know, just

539
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,880
one verse back in and it's
Christ is the fulfillment of it.

540
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,400
So that's kind of a huge deal.
Yeah.

541
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,440
And let me know what you think
about these opposing arguments,

542
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,280
Clay.
I don't think I'm convinced.

543
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:45,880
I mean, I'm not saying they're
bad arguments because you know,

544
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:49,360
it's not, it's not like it's not
super, it's pretty explicit, but

545
00:26:49,360 --> 00:26:52,040
it's not like making that total
connection for you.

546
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:55,200
But it's saying, you know, these
authors never say Christ is

547
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,560
Melchizedek, but rather a priest
in the same manner.

548
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:00,520
You know, it's not totally
there, but it's pretty much

549
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:01,720
there.
And then the other one is.

550
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:05,160
It uses the term order of
Melchizedek implies multiple

551
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:09,640
members I guess.
Did you find that verse that

552
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:15,520
seemed to have those two
different lineages of Yeah, let

553
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:17,680
me.
Just back up and get in my

554
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:19,080
Doctor Seuss.
I I found it.

555
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:20,280
That's sort of good going Doctor
Seuss.

556
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,880
But but basically 2 priests are
there.

557
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,760
Zadok is the one in question
that maybe he was a Jebusite.

558
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,800
Maybe he was as people try to
connect like through Eli, like

559
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,240
there's something there.
But but I think a good take away

560
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:37,800
going to your points is that
Zadok's line eventually like

561
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,920
ended in like 171 BC.
So if you're taking that view

562
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,200
and you're following that, you
know, I don't know, you know,

563
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,320
anyway, but but there's a lot of
question.

564
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,760
It's a Biathar who was like, you
know, the.

565
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,280
Zadok that helped dedicate the
temple with Solomon.

566
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:53,280
Or is it a?
Different Zadok.

567
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:58,960
I, I do not know I, I, I think
it might be, but he served as a

568
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,120
priest under David and Solomon
on reading.

569
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:05,360
He could be an Israelite or a
Jebusite really a Biathar it or

570
00:28:05,360 --> 00:28:07,320
the other one definitely like
Levitical.

571
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:08,240
This one.
We just don't get the

572
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,160
information.
It's kind of weird that we don't

573
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,080
makes it seem like a lot of
people say maybe he was

574
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,600
practicing and he did worship
the one true God, even though he

575
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,960
wasn't Israel and somehow got
crafted in a in a strange way.

576
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:22,400
So it's literally like a couple
verses.

577
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,320
But I think he's alluded to like
first circuit terminal, then I

578
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,600
can chronicles or I got little
illusions, but we don't again

579
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:31,360
don't get a lot of information.
Yeah, and I mean, we're given

580
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,640
some off topic stuff, but there
is a very nice classical piece

581
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:38,040
called Zadok the Priest that was
written to commemorate the

582
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,800
dedication of the temple.
So God, if you're into that cart

583
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:44,160
sort of thing, go look it up and
listed it.

584
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:47,480
Here's some things this is just
food for thought.

585
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:54,680
There was the name is a dock is
associated with Jebusite guides,

586
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:56,560
I think from archaeology as a
deck.

587
00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:58,840
So maybe, I mean, I don't know
that I mean, some of that's kind

588
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,600
of a kind of stretch I'm reading
on this thing, but it's an

589
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:06,520
interesting thing where David
appointed a Biathar to serve us,

590
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:11,400
preach for the Israelites.
And it seems like Zadok was just

591
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,880
kind of like, hey, you've been
doing your thing, you're here.

592
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,000
Presume it doesn't say this, but
a lot of people like maybe it

593
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:19,360
was like for Gentiles who were
like, hey, we want to worship

594
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,160
Yahweh, but we're not going to
adopt all the customs and these

595
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:22,440
kind of things.
I don't know, that's a lot of

596
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:24,200
speculation.
Yeah, that.

597
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:28,400
I mean, to have Zadok be the
priest that dedicates the

598
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:33,400
temple, that'd be huge if it was
an uncircumcised gentile, you

599
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:37,080
know that, yeah.
I think that's maybe unlikely.

600
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,120
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But it happened to be awesome.

601
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,320
But it would seem like that
would be a a stretch.

602
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:42,680
Crazy.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

603
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:49,720
OK, so the relationship between
the priesthood and we already,

604
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:52,080
yeah, yeah, we already did this
one.

605
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:59,480
So worship and divine authority.
Same thing, man.

606
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:03,640
It would be great if there was
one guy who was mid worship and

607
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:05,720
I guess we went to Michael and
Melchizedek there at the same

608
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:07,720
time.
But it's like we got, we got,

609
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:09,080
but that would be different
problems.

610
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,600
Right, right.
No.

611
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:13,880
Abraham does tithe.
That is interesting.

612
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:19,040
So it's not exactly worship
because, you know, they weren't

613
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,360
worshiping the priests when they
gave the tithe to the priest,

614
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,960
but they were, they were
ultimately given the tithe to

615
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,600
God and the priests were the
conduits.

616
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,960
So, you know, you can make the
same argument about Melchizedek.

617
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,800
But you know, so maybe
Macchizedek had that what we

618
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:38,720
call Temple Zero there at Salem,
and somehow this money that

619
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:42,280
Abraham gave went to the
priesthood that he was doing

620
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:43,640
there.
It's hard to say.

621
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:47,600
This might be a little aside,
but going off topic for a second

622
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:51,240
that that I think we've talked
about before is that I feel like

623
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:55,360
that one of my gut reactions
when I started researching

624
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,040
Melchizedek and it that makes me
on the side that he is a

625
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:02,720
Christophany is that I think
that it's almost like God giving

626
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,960
Abraham a glimpse into the
fulfillment of the ultimate

627
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,560
promise.
Like it's he promised Abraham

628
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:11,720
that he would save the world
through him, through his seed.

629
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:16,840
And he gets to see almost
Christ, you know, at the end of

630
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,720
his days, he gets to go converse
with him.

631
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:23,040
He gets to maybe talk with him
about stuff like, hey, this is,

632
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,640
you're not gonna live to see it,
but you get to.

633
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:27,760
See it kind of thing.
I, I love that point.

634
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,040
We talked about it a little bit
differently on our Angel of the

635
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,320
Lord episode where it's like,
it's pretty amazing that these

636
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:36,000
Old Testament characters like
interacted with the Angel of the

637
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:37,800
Lord.
Like like that is something that

638
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,000
I don't readily think about.
But it's like like you're saying

639
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:44,920
that just gives more substance
or a fuller, more robust their

640
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:46,720
understanding where maybe they
don't see everything, but like

641
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,960
they saw a lot and they were
interacting with, you know, God

642
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:51,720
the son in a in a lot of
instances.

643
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:52,680
It's pretty.
It's pretty pretty.

644
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:56,040
Remarkable like like I mean
going back to the Angel of Lord

645
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,560
thing, like Moses with the the
Angel of the Lord in the burning

646
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:02,120
Bush, like I guess growing up
only having the visualization

647
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:05,800
from the, the old movie, you
know, the old 10 commands movie

648
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,680
and just seeing a burning Bush
talking like, but no, this was

649
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,760
the Angel of the Lord in it.
Like I think it was more than

650
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:15,400
than what our mind can picture.
Then Moses was conversing with

651
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:19,760
the Lord, like in physical form.
I think it I think it might be

652
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:21,480
the same thing here.
Maybe, maybe that's a lot of

653
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,840
speculation, but I think to me,
my gut feeling whenever I

654
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:27,800
started researching this was
like I said, like Abraham

655
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,960
getting to see that's cool.
The promise of God fulfilled

656
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:32,800
almost before he he died.
I don't know.

657
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,920
Wow.
Like you said, Michael, the tie,

658
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,680
you know, Christ where they were
because she was Christ.

659
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,840
Then Abraham's tie, you know,
could indicate a reference.

660
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,080
I I think that's a good a good
argument.

661
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,520
On the other side, a tithe is
not equal worship.

662
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:53,400
It might just be honoring, you
know, so it's not again, not

663
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,920
explicit, but it's like to me
the Michael connection.

664
00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:00,280
There's a lot of good evidence.
This one there's like it's like

665
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:04,200
machine gun good evidence, but
it's still not like it's not

666
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,640
total like inclusive either,
even though I think I would

667
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:10,120
heavily lean that way.
So final conclusion, is

668
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,400
Melchizedek a pre Incarnate
Christ?

669
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,640
All right, so here's some of the
strongest arguments from Chat.

670
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,840
Now, we may or may not just, we
may or may not agree with what

671
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,600
Chat has to say here, but this
is what chat thinks they are.

672
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:25,520
Describes Melchizedek as having
no beginning or end, which could

673
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,200
imply he's eternal.
That was Hebrews 7/3.

674
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:31,200
I like that one.
He is a priest of God.

675
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:34,400
Most High without lineage make
him unique among biblical

676
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,320
figures.
He has these titles, King of

677
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:39,320
righteousness.
I guess that is what Melchizedek

678
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:43,720
translates to just his name.
But he is also has the station

679
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:47,080
of King of Peace because he's
the King of Salem there, and

680
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,400
those align with Christ's
messianic titles.

681
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:53,840
There's, there's a, there's a
good, I can't remember how long

682
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,960
it is or how many, but Doctor
Michael Heizer did a podcast a

683
00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:01,240
long time ago and he broke down
the Hebrew like name and like

684
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:04,040
exactly what it means.
I wish I could remember.

685
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:07,200
I, I could be butchering it.
I think he says my, I think his

686
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,679
interpretation of the Hebrew or
the, the breakdown of the

687
00:34:10,679 --> 00:34:14,040
etymology of the word is like my
king is Sadic or something like

688
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:18,080
that, which is my king is the
Lord or my king is God is how

689
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:19,960
Melchizedek breaks down in the
Hebrew.

690
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,719
I could be butchering that.
I think the people could, could

691
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,880
go look that podcast up and it
was like 45 minutes where he

692
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,880
just spent all that time
breaking down the Hebrew of the,

693
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,800
the word and, and what it means.
So.

694
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,880
Well, my quick look up says it
translates to my King of

695
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:38,520
Righteousness, OK?
Yeah.

696
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:42,920
Yeah, I I was not, I did not
look it up, but I want I wanted

697
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,120
to before we I guess we're still
in these arguments keep going on

698
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:46,280
arguments.
I got something I want to add

699
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,719
after.
That oh, those are all the

700
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:52,000
highest ones.
So are there any other strong

701
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:53,560
arguments for that?
You would.

702
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:57,760
You'd think chat left out other
things that you would the bread

703
00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:59,200
and wine.
Bread and wine.

704
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,240
I like the bread and wine.
Because it just.

705
00:35:02,240 --> 00:35:04,160
Seems like a weird thing to put
in there too.

706
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:07,160
Another Old Testament figure are
there?

707
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:09,160
Is there any other place in the
Old Testament where bread and

708
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:13,200
wine are mentioned together?
Not not that I can think of.

709
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,600
It is that's so fascinating that
it's like that early in

710
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:20,760
Scripture and then obviously in
the New Testament with with the

711
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:22,520
Lord's Supper and communion and
that kind of thing.

712
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,040
But it's like that's like so
crazy that I think we don't

713
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,520
people don't think hard enough
about or make make that a big

714
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:31,960
enough deal.
Clay, I was going to ask you

715
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:35,600
about this.
We both were in Israel.

716
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:40,000
You want to try to describe this
Temple 0 a little bit.

717
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,040
I, I pulled up a picture of it.
So I was going to, I was going

718
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:43,960
to like do it together.
It's just, it's just so

719
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,240
interesting.
I got a couple pictures we could

720
00:35:46,240 --> 00:35:48,000
send Michael, maybe he could
throw some of them up.

721
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:54,320
But it there was there was the
like the place where the a

722
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,800
tripod would stand to hold the
sacrifice.

723
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:57,960
Right.
Yeah, yeah.

724
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:01,320
Remember that that there was the
grooves in the ground where the

725
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:04,920
tripod would sit.
There.

726
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,720
Was there was like two or three
rooms he took us through and and

727
00:36:07,720 --> 00:36:10,840
talked about what each one did.
There's like there's several

728
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:12,880
rooms.
One they had a oil press, which

729
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,680
it wouldn't be like, hey, I have
my own oil press.

730
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,880
It's like, you know, clearly
made for rituals and that kind

731
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:20,480
of thing.
What was it?

732
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:24,080
The high stone, the high place?
It had a high place or like, is

733
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,200
that what the, is that?
What the name of that little

734
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,920
stone?
Maybe he's got a picture of it

735
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:30,600
here too on this.
Website, that was the thing that

736
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,560
was in the oh, not that.
No, no, I don't remember that

737
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:35,680
one.
It's like that Little Rock that

738
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:40,080
he he compared it to like I
think Jacob, right?

739
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,360
I don't know if it was a high
place or something else he

740
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:46,200
called it, but where you I mean,
it was not very big.

741
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,760
It was like.
It was it was it a thing that

742
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:50,480
was locked up in the in the
cage?

743
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:51,800
Yeah, it was a thing.
That was what?

744
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:55,440
Yes, I think that was the altar
stone or something like it's.

745
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,920
Clearly like cult like it's a
ritualistic kind of thing.

746
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:02,880
It would do it was very specific
piece of the temple that was

747
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:06,080
that was like made it clear I
got AI got a pretty good picture

748
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:09,720
of that I can send but.
And they had like, like, like

749
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,480
all these like a clear place
where you're across the animal,

750
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,080
like, you know, the channels or
whatever it was.

751
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:18,320
It was just pretty cool, not
super huge or anything.

752
00:37:18,720 --> 00:37:20,680
It was definitely, it was
definitely a temple.

753
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,360
But it was definitely with all
these rooms and stuff and like

754
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,600
the way with the presses, like
it wasn't just like a house.

755
00:37:28,240 --> 00:37:30,800
Interesting.
But anyway, should check out the

756
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:32,040
pictures.
You should read, read some

757
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:35,760
articles about it because it's
it's just a fascinating thing.

758
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:37,800
And again, it's like, I can't
even describe it to you.

759
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:41,520
Like everyone knows Israel's
just a bunch of tells that you

760
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:43,960
just build on top of each other.
And this is like literally

761
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:47,480
underneath the city of David.
It's like right where David was.

762
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,320
It's like there, you know, if
you're doing the math or

763
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,320
whatever, I don't know exactly
how they do it, but it's clearly

764
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:57,320
like centuries and it's all
it's, it's a long time before.

765
00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:59,840
And they kind of built on top of
it with his administrative

766
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,360
buildings, like right.
It's like literally like if I'm

767
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,960
like upstairs, like looking down
to here, it's like that close.

768
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:09,320
It's so weird.
Just the proximity, everything

769
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,440
is like so close in the old
city.

770
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:13,680
You could walk, you could walk
down the streets and there would

771
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:18,240
be little greats that you could
look down like 1020 feet down

772
00:38:18,240 --> 00:38:22,000
and there was more or had been,
you know, built on top of built

773
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:23,720
on top.
Of different podcasts but Clay

774
00:38:23,720 --> 00:38:25,440
and I should tell you about the
time we went in someone's

775
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:29,480
basement and saw like artifacts
from like forever ago.

776
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,360
The The hidden bookshelf, it was
like this.

777
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:34,680
Is like in the middle of
Jerusalem underneath, like, I

778
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:36,880
don't know, like what street it
was on, but it's like in the

779
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,800
middle of things, man.
And it was pretty intense, I

780
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:40,960
think.
I don't know, there's a picture

781
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,200
of clay trying on like an
ancient Roman helmet from like.

782
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:44,640
Donnie had that.
On Donnie.

783
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:47,880
I got a picture of that.
All right, so I while y'all were

784
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:49,840
talking, it was good discussion.
I was listening.

785
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:51,160
It may not have appeared that
way.

786
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:55,040
I was getting the other
references in the Old Testament

787
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,080
where bread and wine are paired
together.

788
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:01,320
So we have this one from
Melchizedek, we have two in

789
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:05,360
Deuteronomy that don't say
bread, they say grain and wine

790
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,560
as different offerings that
could be given in the

791
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:10,960
sacrificial system prefiguring
Christ.

792
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:16,720
It another one in Leviticus.
So some in Leviticus and

793
00:39:16,720 --> 00:39:20,760
Deuteronomy Wisdoms table.
Remember we talked about, when

794
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:22,840
we were talking about Old
Testament wisdom literature,

795
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:26,040
that some people thought wisdom
was this personification.

796
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:29,440
Of Christ.
Maybe because Proverbs 95 says

797
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:33,720
come eat of my bread and drink
of the wine I have mixed and

798
00:39:33,720 --> 00:39:38,120
maybe an allusion to the Lord's
Supper and then the only other

799
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:41,800
references are messianics like
Psalm one O 4.

800
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:46,560
Well, and this is, you can read
Psalm one O 414 through 15.

801
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:48,200
I don't know why Chad would say
this is.

802
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,480
I'll read you the verse that
says he causes the grass to grow

803
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:54,880
for cattle and vegetation for
the labor of mankind, so that

804
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:58,960
they may produce food from the
earth and wine that brings the

805
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:03,000
heart of mortal men cheerful to
make his face gleam with oil and

806
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:04,680
food that sustains his human
heart.

807
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,040
So we've had grain and wine.
Yeah.

808
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:11,560
We've had food and wine.
The only other explicit mention

809
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:17,720
of bread and wine was this
Proverbs 9 and 1595.

810
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:21,280
So you have Proverbs 95 red and
wine and you have Melchizedek

811
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,120
setting out bread and wine.
Those are the only other

812
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:26,160
explicit because the grain was
just a grain offering.

813
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,240
I don't think that they made
bread out of it.

814
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:31,520
So it's pretty unique in
Scripture.

815
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:34,520
Maybe it may be a pretty strong
argument.

816
00:40:34,720 --> 00:40:38,320
That is pretty cool.
What else you guys got on

817
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:41,840
Melchizedek?
Did we read the?

818
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:44,880
Did we read his titles?
Oh yeah, we read his titles.

819
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,720
So here are the arguments
against Clay.

820
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:49,080
I should make you read all of
these.

821
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:50,880
I'll do it.
That's fine.

822
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,440
OK, I'll do it.
Hebrews 7 three says he was made

823
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:56,960
like the Son of God, not that he
is the son of God.

824
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:04,040
OK, I mean, again that I guess
that's some inference there

825
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:05,120
maybe.
I don't know.

826
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,240
The passage also compares Christ
to Melchizedek rather than

827
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:11,360
identifying them as the same
person.

828
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:16,320
OK.
And then lastly, Melchizedek is

829
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:19,080
called a man, which suggests he
was a historical figure.

830
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:22,200
I don't know.
I guess they're OK arguments.

831
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:23,960
Not I don't know.
I don't feel like anything's

832
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:27,320
like it's definitely not but it.
But again, we're speculating

833
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:29,200
because there's nothing that
says he definitely is either.

834
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,040
So Melchizedek is a
Christophany?

835
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:35,840
How does that change your
Christian walk tomorrow?

836
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:37,960
Probably doesn't, probably
doesn't.

837
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:40,240
If it does, if he's not,
probably doesn't.

838
00:41:40,240 --> 00:41:42,800
So these are these are not
things that are going to make or

839
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,360
break or walk, but they are
interesting.

840
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:48,400
And again, like we talked about
in the Michael, you know, it

841
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:52,160
could help you maybe see a
little more detail what's going

842
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:52,600
on.
Right.

843
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:55,200
That was just going to reiterate
that that our Michael podcast I

844
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,120
think ended with with that
statement.

845
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,480
And again, I think it's the same
thing with the Melchizedek, if

846
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:04,680
we get a little bit more detail,
more more depth to Christ, his

847
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:08,280
connection to us, his, his
connection to other people and,

848
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:10,840
and customs.
And I just, I just think it

849
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:14,600
makes it more rich the story.
I think that's the the good part

850
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:17,760
of it.
Agreed on all accounts.

851
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:20,280
I got nothing else on the kills
day I think.

852
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:23,880
I think I like it when you can
like get a handle on all the

853
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,400
texts.
You can really feel like you're

854
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:28,760
exploring everywhere.
The scripture brings up Michael

855
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:30,640
and because of the deck, you
know, I feel like you're, you're

856
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:35,440
trying to get all the angles.
Yeah, All right, Zach and I have

857
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:37,360
nothing else to say unless you
have something else to say.

858
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,520
I think you know how this has
has to end, Claire.

859
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:41,200
I think I know how this has to
end.

860
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:42,880
All right.
That's our take.

861
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:45,720
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862
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:49,360
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863
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