Wisdom Literature Part 5

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So we just finished recording
one podcast and had to be

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talking about Isakar son.
So I noticed later on in that

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verse said they had 200 chiefs.
I was thinking their chiefs

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probably better than other
chiefs, you know, they had. 200

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of.
Them.

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That's true, Tom, Probably.
Did victory lap?

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I did.
Probably did.

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Well, yeah.
No, it's good.

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It was.
It's one of those things I felt

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like all the and going into the
game, the analysis was like,

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Eagles are the better team.
Eagles should win.

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But it was like, but Patrick,
you just never know what the

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Chiefs.
And then it turned out actually

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all the stats were accurate that
the chiefs.

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I mean that the Eagles were a
lot better.

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And I was I I I was not, I
personally didn't know.

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I don't watch a lot of football
but I was not convinced like

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Jalen Hurts was this amazing
quarterback but dude.

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He had some good turns out.
I mean, he wasn't facing a lot

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of pressure, but he was, he was
throwing the ball well to, to

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those receivers.
So I was actually, I, I came out

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like, Oh, he's better than I
thought, 'cause I was always

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like, he's fine, but I never was
super impressed.

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And then and then also with
their rush, it was like, man,

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they were like, they didn't like
really blitz.

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And yet Mahomes never had time.
Like he was like, Oh, I was

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like, I was super impressed with
their line.

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And then you might know this
too.

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I heard that like the Chiefs,
like I get confused like, oh,

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they had like their tackles.
Like we're playing guard that's

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new, normally not good, like
'cause of injuries and stuff or

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vice versa where they're like.
I didn't know I wasn't.

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Aware of that like they like
really the whole year, I mean

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it's not like for this game, but
really the whole year they've

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been playing out of position and
I've.

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I don't know the line very much,
but they're like, Oh yeah, that

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it's like the.
Mindset of a guard is definitely

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different.
So your interior, so for

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offensive line, your center is
kind of the captain.

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And in an advanced line like at
the NFL or collegiate level,

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even a good high school team,
the center is gonna call your

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defense.
You know, your how you're going

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to not call your defense, but
you know, call who's blocking

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whom and really kind of point
out, try to see, you know, is it

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an odd front?
Is it an even front?

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You know how how the blocking
schemes gonna go?

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And then that center 3 how they
block is really different than

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how the mindsets, because those
tackles have outside contains so

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they they can drop back pretty
deep.

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Sometimes you may see, you know
them, you know, kick stepping

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back, kick stepping back to, to
do those blocks.

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So if if someone has played
tackle a lot and now they're

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asking me to play guard or vice
versa, it is a it is a big

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adjustment.
Cause dude, they were just

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pressuring.
Maybe the best, best play.

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I don't know if you caught this
Eagles, Speaking of offensive

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line, you had your tackle and
your guard and they were

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blocking, blocking and the the
guy that was on the tackle did a

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round.
So like, so if you're on

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defense, sometimes you have a
delayed cross.

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So we go here and then you
disengage and you try to go

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around and it leaves that open
because that guard may not see

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like I'm blocking somebody, I'm
blocking somebody.

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Picture perfect execution of
that guard pushing off his man,

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spinning and getting the guy
that came off the tackle.

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So he basically threw his guy to
the tackle so that he could

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engage with that and then picked
up the tackles guy that's

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crossing.
It was like that was.

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You're like beauty, beautiful.
Also the white guy defensive

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back, you don't see a lot, a lot
of white defensive backs you got

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on his birthday.
Interception.

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Pick six.
That's pretty.

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Crazy.
I like the I felt represented

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there.
I was like I thought if.

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You like to see yourself in the
in the.

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Back, I thought if Elon gets to
all this DEI stuff, I thought he

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was DEI hired, to be honest,
because you don't see a lot of

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white defensive backs.
But like, oh, he scored.

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Maybe there's some merit there.
Yeah.

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So I was like, it was his
birthday, too.

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I was like, that's pretty crazy.
So crazy.

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You know, I was like, I don't
believe my eyes because it.

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Was a pretty big blowout.
I did see someone this clip I

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posted it on social media.
I know you're not on social

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media very often.
I'm not as much anymore either.

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Post and then get out.
But there was audio of the

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Chiefs on the sideline when they
were down like 24 to 0 or

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something.
And like the Patriots came back,

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we can do it too.
And like the caption was Chiefs

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really thought that they were
going to be in some documentary

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'cause it was all like trying to
get hyped up which.

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Where they're all like pumped.
I was like, I wonder if who said

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that?
I'm like, that's pretty at

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least.
Yeah, at least it was.

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I'm curious who that?
Was noble to say it was.

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It was a running back.
'Cause they were, they were

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clearly just just an inferior
team.

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Like ever.
Like man, they were just gonna

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work.
I.

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Posted This is probably 8 tenths
of the way through the season.

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OK, yeah, so maybe late November
ish.

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And I saw the stat and it it was
basically saying the chiefs are

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the worst 10 and O or 12,
whatever their record was team

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in history.
And it just gave all these

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different stats comparing them
to other teams.

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And I was like, you know,
they've, they've one by, you

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know, one.
Yeah, it's been so close.

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They've had several calls to go
their, their way that were

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questionable.
And I got, you know, the, I got

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some heat from one of my
friend's brothers we grew up

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with and, you know, and it's
like you're a Chiefs hater.

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I'm like, these are just the
stats, you know?

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Yeah, it's one of those things
that's pretty amazing.

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It's honestly amazing they made
it the Super Bowl.

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Considering you're like, Raven's
supposed to be good, the bill's

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supposed to be good.
It's like they have to be

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kicking themselves that that
that they didn't do something

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about it.
You know what I mean?

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Where it's one of those things
like cool.

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Yeah.
They were just, it seemed like

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every position was just, and it
was just like amazing.

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I was like counting and I was
like, man, there's just no

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pressure purchase.
He just stood there 8 seconds

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and did whatever, you know?
And like you said, my homes

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always seem like he's under
pressure.

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There's someone did a montage of
plays where Kelsey's just

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standing there and.
I saw some of this too, and that

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was like, that wasn't good
'cause Mahomes was running for

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his life and some and he made
some really bad throws, but that

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guy had no nowhere to breathe.
And I saw a couple of those

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plays where Kelsey's just
standing there, like, at least

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pretend like you're moving.
Right.

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Yeah, try to do something.
But like, he lets the guy go and

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he just turns and watch the guy.
I guess she's gonna go harass my

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boy Holmes.
You know, it's crazy.

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But I know your favorite we we
can jump off this pants.

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We've been doing this a long
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But but when you were talking,
your favorite part was the

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halftime show you really
appreciated.

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I didn't even see that halftime
show.

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We drove, you know, we left our
home groups at halftime.

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And so I, I, I got back and was
like trying to see what the toss

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was and everyone was going off
on it.

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I, I still haven't seen it.
I I.

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Same here.
Yeah.

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Yeah, so.
Well, there you go, It was.

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I guess we were due for not so
great Super Bowl.

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I thought it was great.
Super Bowl, Don't.

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Don't listen to that.
Yeah, I'm I'm one of those soft

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you you want it close.
I like I like the I've I've been

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enjoying the competitiveness and
I was like it was just from the

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jump.
But can't can't win them off,

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man.
Anything.

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Any last parting words about the
Chiefs or the Eagles?

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Well, you know, sometimes you
have stuff like the Chiefs and

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and even the Patriots, you know,
you have, you have, you have.

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And.
The Lord takes away, blessed be

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the name of the Lord.
All right, that's great.

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We're talking about job.
Let's take it to the next level

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from the hearts of the Low
Country in South Carolina.

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It's the Take Two podcast where
we take theology to the next

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level.
All right, the book of Job.

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We're doing this class, one of
our adult discipleship classes

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on some wisdom books.
We're just doing quick flyovers,

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talked about Proverbs,
Ecclesiastes.

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We are talking about Job.
Which today looks like it's

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spelled like job.
That's it's a computer.

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How do we know that it's spelled
that it's pronounced job I?

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Don't I?
Don't know, Kanye West's

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conversion has not aged well,
obviously.

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But in like his album when he
was like, personally a

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Christian, he was like back when
I thought Joe was a job, Like,

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it was like, yeah, so that's
exactly right.

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You know, You know, you know,
you might, if you're new to the

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faith, you might be like, what's
going on?

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This is a job job.
And well, we spend one week, so

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we'll get in and out really
quick talking about this book.

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And Job's really, really a
unique book.

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Not, not a lot of books in
Scripture are like it, even from

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the vocabulary you read it.
And if from those books you're

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reading it, there's a lot of
footnotes where it says like

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exact meaning, not known or
something.

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It's like they've only, it's got
the one use of the Hebrew word,

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the only time it's using all of
Scripture.

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And and so sometimes we're
making our best guess hard to

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translate, not, not, not super
easy to work, work through even

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reading in the English, all that
Hebrew poetry, you know, even

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the genre, you know, you read
different scholars.

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And some people are like, maybe
this should be a lament.

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A lot of laments in here.
Some people say, oh, this should

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be a parody.
There's a lot of irony.

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Some people say it should be.
It should be a lawsuit genre, a

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lot of accusations, you know, a
lot of defenses.

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I was reading the scholar
Richard Belcher.

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I used a lot of his stuff and he
he said he would categorize Joe

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obviously as a wisdom book.
But it's a debate about how to

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respond to human suffering.
And underneath all of that, as

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we'll talk about in a little
bit, is this question, where is

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wisdom to be found?
That's good.

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And your deep dive studies, and
I think I asked you this at the

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very our very first intro to Old
Testament wisdom.

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Did you see anyone saying that
it was more of a parable and not

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actually?
Yeah, I saw that a lot actually.

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Yeah, Yeah, the more do you.
See any good reasoning on either

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side that?
Swayed to you.

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I should have looked at this
more.

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It was like people were all over
the place.

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Like if you if you go we've
talked about like the Bible

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project.
Can you guess where they land?

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Probably, definitely Midrash.
Yep, Yep.

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They're they're like, you know,
they're like, we don't really

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know, but like they're like no
big deal.

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They're like no big deal.
Jonah's not real, no big deal.

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Like they're like they're like,
hey, what?

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And I and I job, I see it more
than Jonah where it's not as big

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of a deal, but they just like
throw it away.

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They just concede it like we're
not even gonna like there's no

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reason.
But I did.

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I did see that especially, you
know, you get to a liberal

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scholarship.
Almost everyone's like, you

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know, this is just happened.
This, this, this didn't happen

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on the conservative side.
A lot more people definitely do

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do say that.
And I shared this brief.

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It's a very abbreviated outline,
but I like it because it's a

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chiastic outline.
I, I love this and you know, I

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was in and I haven't still
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I was teaching 'cause you're
teaching probably this when I

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was teaching on delighting in
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Sense.
I was looking at Ephesians that

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you know, starts off like a wise
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husbands love your wives and
then at the end it has almost

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the same thing, So I know.
That's so crazy.

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The.
Same, but I haven't looked at

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the interior to see if it if
it's got an interior chiastic

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structure there.
So there there could be chiasms

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everywhere.
Did I tell you that that was

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another shirt?
Oh yeah, another merch

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suggestion.
Yeah, Chiasm and and Cockel for

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our.
That's amazing.

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That's great that that that
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That's great.
Well, this chiastic outline is

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really short on the book ends
for this, there's a prologue,

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epilogue.
They really marry each other.

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Well, they're short.
They're written in prose, very

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unique.
It's a narrator.

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Easy to read and understand.
It's like every children's book

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is like basically got those
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Then on the inside is when you
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The first dialogue is Job and
then his three friends.

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On the back end it's Job, Elihu
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And then right in the middle,
you get chatted after 28, which

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is pretty fascinating.
Talk about that.

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It's a strange poem in the
middle of Joe that basically

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asked this question, where do we
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Where is wisdom to be found?
Probably with his wife.

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I mean, she was just nailing it.
She just got, you know, gave him

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all the best advice.
I after I talked to someone sent

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me like a video.
What?

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What's that?
What's that?

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Christian comedian Tim.
Hawkins, Tim Hawkins.

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Maybe it was John Chris, maybe
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I can't remember what it was,
but it was like Job with all the

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suffering and, and, and
someone's like, oh, Satan, you

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didn't get his wife.
I know part of the suffering.

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I know that's part of it.
They got a plan.

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This is chess, not checkers.
I was like, oh man, well, we'll,

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we'll run through this quickly
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The pros in the in the
beginning, this prologue is

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probably what most people are
very familiar.

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You you were, you know, quoting
some of this on the top end

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pretty good.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And I think what I did not see
this until Tim taught on this

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very briefly.
And hopefully I'm not stealing

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any future Thunder.
But you do see I, I think a

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change in Job from the beginning
to the end, not just when he's

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with God, but in the beginning,
he's fearful.

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He doesn't really trust God.
He's, you know, offering

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sacrifices, whether they're he
knows what he needs and they're

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not, you know, and, and it seems
like at the end, he has calmed

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down a little bit.
Like I'm going to trust in the

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in God, in his goodness.
And you know, I'm going to enjoy

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what he's giving me while they
while they're here, you know,

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type of like it seems like there
is a.

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Yeah, even.
But even like when he's like at

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his in a really good spot in the
beginning, he's there's still

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like growth.
Yeah, Yeah.

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Where it's yeah, I like that.
I didn't think about that.

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Like where he's doing all these
sacrifices.

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It's usually like, oh, that's
he's awesome.

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Whereas you might can take that
as like, oh, just fear.

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Yeah, yeah.
So we job, he's presented as

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upright, blameless, righteous,
wise man of integrity.

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You know, he's this non
Israelite who worships the God

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of Israel.
We see God reigning as sovereign

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king.
He's conducting this heavenly

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council with the sons of God.
Shout out the hyzer and you

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know, he he's running things and
then Satan comes on the scene

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and this is, you know, Satan is
a it's a title.

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It's like the Christ.
This is the Satan, the.

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The what and what's it stand
for?

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The literally, it's like the
challenger, the opposer, the

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accuser, the accuser.
And you even read like, you

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know, the it's interesting.
I didn't like Fact Check this,

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but I heard you read in numbers
or wherever Balaam and the

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donkey and the story and the
Angel of the Lord stands as a

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Satan, as a, as a, a poser, a
challenger to it.

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So just knowing that this is
like a a title and Satan's

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basically like, you know, God's
like, Hey, have you seen my

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servant Joe?
But he's like, Joe doesn't fear

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for no reason.
I mean, if I prayed and every

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time I prayed, good things
happened to me and I was rich

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and all this stuff.
Like what?

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He's really making this
accusation that Job worships God

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not because he's worthy, but
because he's generous, that he

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gets good things.
And it's like that.

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That's really the first half of
the book.

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So God allows Job's family and
wealth to be stripped from him.

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Job has a good response, doesn't
doesn't curse God.

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He grieves, but he responds with
worship and Sane's basically

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like, well, still got his health
so sores from head to foot.

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And then we get to the lovely
wife and and job to who's

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basically like you still got
your integrity right, right.

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Just just curse God.
Yeah, curse God and have them

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strike you dead and get this
over with.

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Which, you know, seems harsh.
Don't want to judge her too

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harshly a lot.
She lost a lot of children or,

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you know, it's like, I'm like,
but it's like cool.

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But then Job again has a really
great response basically says

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God doesn't owe me anything
naked.

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I came into this world naked.
You know, I like you know all

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this stuff and it and it says
and Job in all this Job did not

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send with his lips.
We meet Job's friends, which I

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did start this with a dad joke
in the Sunday school class.

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Oh, let's go.
Do you remember what it was I?

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I think we talked about it off
air.

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I think who's the shortest
character in the Bible?

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Oh, yeah, yeah, I heard this
because what I said was, well,

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someone, someone I was preparing
for Valentine's I came across as

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I didn't use it so funny, but
the guy answered.

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He wanted to answer Zacchaeus.
And then he said, well, you may

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have thought it's Nehemiah, but
it's actually the shoe heights.

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But then he kept going.
You know, it's like, but it

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could be Peter who slept on a
watch or something.

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Like that.
Saw that somewhere too.

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I've read that 'cause I was
like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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yeah.
That's funny, I think Nehemiah

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is probably the horseshoe
height.

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It's it's the best.
Yeah, I, I, I posed this

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question to the, to the audience
and Alex Alspaul, the king of

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dad jokes, said Nehemiah.
And that was like right up the

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gate.
And then Jack White was like,

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you're wrong.
It's Bildad the shoe White.

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And it was a epic battle of, of
dad jokes.

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And so 'cause I was like, my
point was we're gonna talk about

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the shortest character in the
Bible of the day, at least at

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least in passing.
Cause in chapter 2, verse 11

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through 13, we get introduced to
the three first, the first three

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friends that we see, and that's
LA Phaz, Bildad Zophar.

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And they actually do a really
nice job of doing the right

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thing for the first seven days,
'cause you know what?

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They just, they just sit there
and they be quiet and they're

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like, hey, we're gonna, while
you're grieving, we're gonna

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grieve with you.
Yeah, and it's like, man,

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there's a lot of a lot of good
stuff in that.

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Verse 13 of Chapter 2 says they
sat with him on the ground seven

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days and seven nights, and no
one spoke a word to him, for

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they saw that as suffering was
very great, silent, sympathetic

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and present was good, and then
it all changes.

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Chapter 3 Job is like.
Finger wagon, Yeah, yeah, Finger

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wagon.
And job is like, why?

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I haven't done anything wrong.
We're launching into basically

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40 chapters of dense Hebrew
poetry.

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Job laments the day he was born,
curses his birth.

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And then we get these three
cycles of speeches between LA

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Fast Bildad so far, and they
just deteriorate.

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They start off like LA Fast is
like, Joe, you're a smart guy.

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You've taught many.
Have you ever met someone who

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was totally innocent, who
suffered like just like

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suggesting?
Think about it.

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By the end of it, he's like, I
know for a fact that you've hurt

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widows and orphans and he's like
making these crazy claims.

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Their.
Sin abound and so it you see it

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start kind of night.
Not it never starts nice, but

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it, it escalates where even like
Bildad's last speech is like 6

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verses and Zofar doesn't even
get to say it just escalates and

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and they get cut off because Job
is looking for wisdom and he

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just finds misery in his
friends.

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It's no comforts.
Then we get to this unique

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chapter 28.
We'll come back to it.

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We get to Elihu Job, God and
then the end of it.

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Most of us know this as well.
God rebukes Job's friends.

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Job's few fortunes are restored.
He died as an old man full of

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days.
And God has a lot of questions

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for Job.
He's got a lot of questions, a

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couple a couple chapters worth,
a lot of good rhetorical pointed

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questions.
I recently saw and I thought it

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was well done.
I mean, it's a little bit

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cheesy.
I may I may have even posted it

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as a story.
But it it, it took this guy

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who's this atheist scoffer on
media, and then I guess someone

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had already recorded basically
God reading, not God reading.

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A guy who was reading.
He had an English accent.

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So God probably speaks English
with an English accent.

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But basically reading those
opening verses, you know, gird

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up yourself, answer me like a
man or you and all these.

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And it was, it was rhetorically
powerful.

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You got kind of maybe a little
cheesy, but yeah, Yeah.

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I thought it was all done.
Yeah.

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Man, so we will, we will talk
about that.

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I took a pause.
We had a time of testimony a

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little bit in in the Sunday
school class.

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But before we get to the end, I
was going to point out I'm

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stealing all this from a guy
named John Walton.

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He was a professor at Moody for
like 20 years.

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He's at Wheaton right now.
I don't know if you've seen

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Wheaton College.
They're under a little bit of

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fire.
Have you seen this?

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I I think you mentioned it maybe
last week or something, but.

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Yeah, they're they're and
anyway, we won't get into that.

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But this guy, he, he's really,
he's written a, a commentary on

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Job and he's got this thing he
calls the triangle of claims

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where he basic, he basically
does this triangle and there's

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three corners and you only can
pick two.

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Each character can only pick two
of these corners.

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One is God's justice, one is
Job's innocence or

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righteousness, and one is the
retribution principle that you

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reap what you sow, you obey, you
get reward, you disobey, you get

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consequence.
And, and he goes through all the

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characters and basically says,
Job's friends, you know, they

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view all of life through this
retribution principle, but they

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also hold on to God's justice.
And so they're basically saying,

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Jim, there's no way you can be
and say God's just he rewards

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good, he punches evil.
And when we say innocent, we

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mean innocent of any major sin
in his life.

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Yeah, based on this story,
Arthur seems to say he did

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nothing to deserve this
suffering, that initial

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suffering, right.
Maybe he didn't respond always

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great after that, but that we we
know for a fact that nothing job

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did it wasn't this one to one
correlation.

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Yeah, I, I still want to balk at
that a little bit because

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sometimes people go through
tough things.

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Yeah.
And what, And I, I think I'm

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related to here.
I I went through a very tough

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thing of not getting elected as
band officer.

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Oh, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And I hadn't done anything to
deserve that.

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And my mom was like, Michael,
you deserve help.

448
00:21:42,360 --> 00:21:43,640
Oh yeah, Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

449
00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:45,080
So.
Keep in perspective.

450
00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:46,960
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm trying to think exactly how

451
00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:51,200
how the book puts it like he
got, I think what the author not

452
00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:54,680
saying he was perfect, but
saying that he was afflicted and

453
00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:56,960
he didn't sin and he was
afflicted and he didn't sin,

454
00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:58,600
even though he probably sinned
at some point.

455
00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:01,800
But at least the author wants to
say in all this, Job did not

456
00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:03,200
sin.
And all this over and over again

457
00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:06,400
to to prove to prove some sort
of some sort of point.

458
00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:09,200
And then we get to Job.
He knows he's innocent or

459
00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:10,280
righteous or he knows he did
not.

460
00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:13,240
That's what he's holding on to,
and the other thing he's holding

461
00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:14,840
on to is this retribution
principle.

462
00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:17,000
I didn't do anything, so I don't
deserve anything.

463
00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:17,840
God must be.
Wrong.

464
00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:19,400
And so he's questioning God's
justice.

465
00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:20,600
Yeah.
And he says, you know, God,

466
00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,200
you're actually violent against
the righteous.

467
00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:24,400
You're a mocker of the
righteous.

468
00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:28,080
You make some pretty, like, bold
accusations against God.

469
00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:34,160
We get to the second friend,
Elihu, and you mentioned this

470
00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:36,080
last time like he's like a
little bit closer.

471
00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:37,600
Right.
He seems like of all of them,

472
00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:42,920
he's kind of closer to what what
what you would want to be said

473
00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:44,880
and.
And the way John Walton puts it

474
00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:47,400
is that he actually starts with
God's justice.

475
00:22:48,120 --> 00:22:51,280
And then his second point is the
retribution principle.

476
00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:53,920
But he like tweaks and he's
like, it's not always a one to

477
00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:55,920
one.
God might be warning you of

478
00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:57,280
something.
He might be like shaping your

479
00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:59,400
character to protect you from
something in the future.

480
00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:03,360
God's wisdom is a little bit
more complex than that.

481
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:09,120
And really it's not until to the
end like we get, we get the

482
00:23:09,120 --> 00:23:12,560
behind the scenes action and
activity, we kind of see what's

483
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:14,480
going on.
And basically what we're

484
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:18,760
supposed to take away from it is
that God is righteous.

485
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:20,640
I mean, Job is righteous to some
extent here.

486
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,800
And God is just that.
You can't draw a one to one

487
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:26,960
comparison that sometimes things
happen and we don't know the big

488
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,160
picture.
And so we're called the trust in

489
00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:30,560
God.
And no, he's just.

490
00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:35,160
But we're never gonna know every
single single thing and.

491
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:39,080
Even if you're living a good
life, God doesn't owe you good

492
00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:42,280
circumstances, right?
You know He can choose to let

493
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:44,800
things happen 'cause like you
said, we don't see the big

494
00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:46,840
picture.
We don't know why God's doing

495
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,360
what he's doing or how he's
gonna use that.

496
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:51,280
No, that, that, that's exactly
right.

497
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:54,280
And like you said, we all
deserve the worst thing in the

498
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:56,160
world anyway.
So that's like a good starting

499
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:59,640
point where you're not like God
owes me, but it helps us make

500
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,760
sense of this world when it just
seems like things are not

501
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:05,560
working out how you would think
when these people clearly lying,

502
00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:07,040
cheating, stealing, they're
doing really well.

503
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:11,520
Let's talk briefly about Job 28.
I don't know if you've heard

504
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:13,160
this before.
I've never really spent a lot of

505
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:17,520
time on Job 28, but it's
interesting.

506
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:22,760
Some commentators are really
puzzled by this, because if you

507
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,080
look at the beginning of.
Job.

508
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:29,320
Job is not.
We don't think he is inside the

509
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:31,720
Mosaic Law at all or the
Abrahamic covenant, right?

510
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:35,080
We think he's outside of that.
I mean, he, we know he's not,

511
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,200
he's not Jewish.
I don't, I don't think we've

512
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:40,320
got, I mean from the land of Oz.
I'm not saying that he would.

513
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:44,400
I mean, I don't know.
I think we're not given a lot of

514
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:49,720
insight to all of that either,
which makes it makes it a little

515
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:54,000
bit a little bit challenging.
A lot of people are confused

516
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,160
with Job 28 because in job 27 it
starts out well.

517
00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,040
All in all, the book of job does
a good job of identifying who's

518
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:01,600
speaking.
It's like build out says this

519
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:04,160
Zophar says this so and so said
God is speaking here.

520
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,640
Job 27 says and job again took
up his discourse.

521
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,480
Job 29 says and job again took
up his discourse.

522
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:15,320
Job 28 doesn't say anything.
And so you're not most people

523
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:18,000
just naturally assume it's job
continuing on like that would be

524
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:21,240
the default.
Other people look at this and

525
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:24,240
say this, this chapter really
stands out.

526
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:29,000
Strange that chapter 27 and 29
are very emotionally charged and

527
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:32,280
then 28's unusually calm.
And Job does have ups and downs,

528
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:34,560
so that could be explained a
little bit that way, but it's

529
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,560
very reflective and it's asking
different questions.

530
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:43,200
And the ESB and the NASB, the
way the translators translate

531
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:46,760
the heading, assume that it's
Job, but I think the NLT and the

532
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,040
NIV assume that it's the
narrator.

533
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:50,800
It's a wisdom interlude.
So a little bit.

534
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,800
Not that that really matters on
interpretation, but the point

535
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:57,360
is, this chapter sticks out in
an unusual way.

536
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:02,040
And it's basically this poem
that has this refrain that asks

537
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:05,080
it a couple different times.
Where does wisdom come from?

538
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:08,280
Where is understanding?
And it starts out by praising

539
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:12,040
mankind because we can, we can
mine, we can dig into the middle

540
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,600
of the earth for silver and gold
and precious stones.

541
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,320
Animals can't do that.
Man is pretty amazing.

542
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:21,000
It's like setting us up and then
it like cuts us down and says,

543
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,760
although we're amazing, we can't
find wisdom.

544
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:27,280
Wisdom is something that we
can't generate on our own.

545
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,520
Where do we find this?
Because it wisdom's not like a

546
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,000
Pearl.
It's not like Onyx, it's not

547
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:33,520
like silver and gold.
We can find those things.

548
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:38,880
We can't find wisdom, and
eventually verse 23 says that

549
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:42,560
God understands the way to it.
He knows its place because he

550
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:44,440
looks to the ends of the earth.
He sees everything.

551
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:46,240
He's got that providential
perspective.

552
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:50,360
And at the end, the fear of the
Lord that is wisdom and to turn

553
00:26:50,360 --> 00:26:53,560
away from evil is understanding.
And so it kind of hits these

554
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:55,520
same beats as Proverbs and even
Ecclesiastes.

555
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:57,720
He talks about the fear of the
Lord.

556
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:01,320
So Job is a wisdom book.
And so job, you're like, oh,

557
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:05,400
that's yeah.
And and this chapter 28 in a

558
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,520
way, you know, it's not as
strong as Proverbs 8, but it

559
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,720
kind of puts together God is
creator.

560
00:27:12,120 --> 00:27:15,080
And so and that's where like you
alluded to where God's gonna go

561
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:16,600
at the end.
He's gonna really lean into his

562
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,280
creation and sustaining
abilities in a way that Job

563
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,680
cannot.
End of Job, Isaiah 40.

564
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,560
They're great chapters.
If you ever start thinking that

565
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:28,560
you're pretty, you know you've
done some good things and

566
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,280
mankind is good.
Just read the end of Job and

567
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,360
Isaiah 40 and you'll be like OK
I'm not God.

568
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:39,480
Man, and yeah, I think I think
you're exactly right because we

569
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:43,040
obviously don't have time to
read it, but he just goes like

570
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:47,680
on a tirade.
We're like, OK, Joe, you said

571
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:49,400
your thing.
Like where were you when this

572
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:50,480
happened?
Where were you when this

573
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,000
happened?
Take some basically on this

574
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,280
virtual tour of the universe and
and looks at everything from

575
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,560
weather patterns to animals and
is basically saying like, do you

576
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:00,760
know how this works?
Like please enlighten me.

577
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:04,120
Tell me you know so much you've
got a lot of questions or you

578
00:28:04,120 --> 00:28:05,120
feel like you've got a lot of
answers.

579
00:28:05,120 --> 00:28:08,120
Can you you tell me how how I'm
supposed to go about this?

580
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:09,760
I'd like to see a modern day
that.

581
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,200
'D be great that.
'D be great.

582
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,960
Do you know where the quark is?
You know, Can you tell me why?

583
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:19,240
You know, the they spin the
certain way they do Or, you

584
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,600
know, wow, what happens in the
middle of a black hole?

585
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,400
You know you should you should
write like that.

586
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,600
Dark energy and dark matter hold
things together.

587
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:29,120
Where would it come from?
You know that.

588
00:28:29,120 --> 00:28:30,320
That'd be great.
We.

589
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,000
We need a modern a modern
version that's really funny.

590
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:35,720
We want, but I want it inspired
by God.

591
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:37,320
You're not asking.
For too much.

592
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,600
We'll we'll see if we can find
find that.

593
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:45,680
And so God essentially is giving
2 speeches after his first

594
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:49,160
speech, he's basically saying,
OK, Joe, can you answer this?

595
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:52,440
And Job says, behold, I'm a
small account, what shall I

596
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:54,360
answer you?
I put my hand to my mouth.

597
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:56,640
I spoke once, but I won't answer
twice.

598
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:57,840
But I'm not going to proceed any
further.

599
00:28:57,840 --> 00:28:59,600
And he kind of knows my hand's
on my mouth.

600
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,880
Keep going, I'm done.
And it's like, that's a good

601
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,080
answer.
That's a really good answer.

602
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:08,000
And then God goes on.
He talks about this leviathan,

603
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:12,160
the behemoth, which by the way,
you read some commentaries and

604
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,400
they're like, I think this is a
hippo or an alligator and

605
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:15,720
you're.
Like.

606
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:18,960
And you're like, you're like
this that it seems like and it's

607
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:22,160
like by actually really
conservative, like Bible like

608
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,720
some oligonier guys are saying
this and you're like that seems,

609
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,720
I don't know what it is, but it
seems like the point is not that

610
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:28,920
it's a hippo.
Right, right.

611
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:30,720
Yeah, yeah.
Something that that maybe we

612
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:34,200
don't have around now or.
Something it's so it's

613
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,080
interesting reading some of
that.

614
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:40,080
And so God goes through all of
that and Job finishes out with

615
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:43,080
his response and he says, I know
that you can do all things, and

616
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:44,920
that no purpose of yours can be
thwarted.

617
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,920
Who is this that hides counsel
without knowledge?

618
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,720
Therefore I have uttered why I
didn't understand things too

619
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,480
wonderful for me, which I didn't
know here.

620
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,120
And I will speak, I will
question you, and you make it

621
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,320
known to me.
I had heard of you by the

622
00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:01,960
hearing of the ear, but now my
eyes sees you, and therefore I

623
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,280
despise myself and repent in
dust and ashes.

624
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,240
Good way to end.
And then we get that.

625
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:13,320
Get that epilogue there.
But Job, interesting book

626
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:15,120
because it he doesn't he doesn't
really he doesn't really tell

627
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:16,200
Job, oh, this is what's going
on.

628
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,240
Satan came and he wanted to test
you like you don't.

629
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:20,280
You don't.
The reader gets that, but Job

630
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:22,320
doesn't he never.
Gets that yeah, yeah, yeah,

631
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,720
yeah.
All he gets is where were you

632
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:26,480
job?
Yeah, that's good.

633
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,200
That's real good.
Yeah.

634
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,120
And it ends up with some stuff
at the end.

635
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:33,800
You wonder, you know?
That's right.

636
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:34,280
Yeah.
Yeah.

637
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:36,000
How?
How that all you know worked

638
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:37,920
together?
Yeah, that is, that is very,

639
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:42,000
very interesting as well.
Things, things get restored.

640
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,360
Things are pretty good.
He dies an old man full of days.

641
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,920
I wrote down some notes again as
we kind of close out.

642
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:52,240
Here are some notes from John
Walton because he brings up some

643
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,480
good points.
He says a lot of people come to

644
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:58,280
this book with some misplaced
expectations and if you read a

645
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,640
read the book with these wrong
expectations, you're going to be

646
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:01,880
disappointed.
If you're like, why does

647
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,160
suffering happen all the time?
You're not going to get a lot of

648
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,480
answers.
He points out that you read

649
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,040
this, Job's really not the one
on trial.

650
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:11,760
He thinks he's on trial.
His friends thinks he's on

651
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,400
trial.
He's really not on trial.

652
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:15,680
He's not the defendant, not the
plaintiff.

653
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:19,360
He's actually a witness to point
to the greatness of God because

654
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:23,880
this book, it's really about God
and how much how his wisdom is

655
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:28,280
infinite and not on Job.
This book does not defend God's

656
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:31,720
justice primarily because God
doesn't even explain himself.

657
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:33,240
He doesn't defend himself.
Right.

658
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:35,720
He's like, I did it.
It really just defends his

659
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:39,000
wisdom in creation and
sustaining, which is something

660
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:43,040
that that that's where it goes.
It doesn't really teach us how

661
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:47,000
to think about suffering, but
teaches us how to respond to God

662
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,040
when we suffer.
How do we think about God when

663
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,600
we suffer?
We don't get a lot of answers

664
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,360
'cause if we had answers, we
probably, you know, would have

665
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:56,960
it all figured out.
We wouldn't need to trust and

666
00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:02,080
this book is more about living
righteously while we suffer then

667
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,320
why we suffer.
So I think those are a lot of a

668
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:08,960
lot of good things to consider
because, you know, we think we

669
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:12,000
got it figured out and you just
labor through job.

670
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,160
It's like a long book.
To read it is, and I was going

671
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:18,320
to say, I think this
conversation and maybe had been

672
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,560
in your class and not teaching
while you were teaching, but

673
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,080
even this conversation here, I
think it gives you some

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structure to hang, you know,
this book on so that when you're

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reading through, it helps you.
I mean, it's not going to do

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away with, you know, the 40
chapters of dense Hebrew poetry,

677
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but hopefully it kind of gives
you a, a map to kind of navigate

678
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to understand what the book's
doing so that you can go through

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it.
You know, maybe this time and

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you read it and you go, OK, it's
still some dense Hebrew poetry,

681
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but I understand what's going
on.

682
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I, I kind of see these
characters and I think that

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triangle thing is really.
Really helpful.

684
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:56,080
It's pretty cool.
I think you're right.

685
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,320
You see the first three friends
that like you can just see it

686
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escalate and really collapse.
Then what's interesting is that

687
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job talks a lie.
Who talks no response We don't

688
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:08,800
no one really knows what to do
with the light.

689
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Some people are like, oh he's
good Some people are like oh

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00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:11,760
he's bad.
Some people are like a little

691
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:16,440
bit of both, but God doesn't God
doesn't rebuke Elihu rebukes the

692
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:17,680
three fronts.
So people, there's a lot of

693
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:19,760
conversation we didn't talk
about that revolves around that.

694
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,120
Cause Job doesn't even get a
chance to respond to him really.

695
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:23,560
Then God launches.
So it's.

696
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,520
God comes in and that's right.
In a we didn't say it, but in a

697
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:28,800
whirlwind like man boom.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

698
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,640
So that was job in a short
amount of time.

699
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:34,840
But, you know, that's what we're
doing in this wisdom series.

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We're just moving along.
That's good.

701
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,720
One more week and then we'll
close it out.

702
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:41,080
Anything else you've got
Michael?

703
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:42,880
No, I think that's good.
And I think as we've gone

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00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:44,920
through these, I said what I
said about Job, I think it

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00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,400
applies to all of them.
You know, go back to Psalms,

706
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:51,240
maybe even to our Thanksgiving
Day Psalms, see kind of how it's

707
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:52,800
laid out.
But we've talked about Psalms

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00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,480
being, you know, possibly with
some literature and then

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00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:59,800
Proverbs and Ecclesiastes in
now, Joe.

710
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Get wise read those wisdom
books.

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That's our take.
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