Abraham | Who Was He Really?

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Showing off the threads.
I like it.

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Trying to get this as a flat of
a.

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Oh yeah.
But maybe I can move.

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I don't know if that's good or
not.

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But yeah, so man, I just, I
don't know what happened.

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The muse, the the inspiration
came over me and I designed this

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great shirt and man, I think it
came out really well.

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All right, easy.
Well, we'll let the audience

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decide if you like the shirt.
I'll tell you the real story.

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If you don't like the shirt.
Yeah, Michael, definitely.

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But but but we talked a lot
about bout Acts 242 and Word

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fellowship, worship, prayer and
you know, got a little got the

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little side Take 2 logo on
They're on the back.

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You have the whole verse Acts
242.

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So I think it's a great, great
shirt that captures, you know.

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So this was your brainchild or
Lee Ann's?

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Mine I saw a shirt that kind of
looked like that and it said

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something like I really like the
shirt.

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It said like contexts.
I don't know.

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It said something that resonated
with me and I was like, oh, and

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it was like we then we were
doing the podcast.

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I don't know when I thought
about this but I was like, oh it

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like.
And so did you put this in

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Canva?
And I put it in Canva.

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Yeah, you did it.
Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.
Not Liam.

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Oh yeah.
Yeah, I put this in Canva, Yeah.

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I'm impressed, I'm impressed.
And yeah, this is actually

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Zach's, Zach's design.
So it.

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Took me not a long time but I
was scrolling through, I was

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trying to find a font that was
like I don't like distressed but

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I went through a lot.
Canva has a lot of fonts.

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I went through probably like 15
or 20 distressed font like they

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have like a whole category of
distressed fonts.

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Explaining on that SO.
So this is in the merch store.

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In the merch.
Store so if you're an A member

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or in a tender of CBC this is
going to be a required shirt for

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you you got to go out and buy it
but and if you're a regular

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listener you know you should
should wear it and you know this

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is what the this is what we
believe the church at its core

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is should be about so I.
Love it.

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Yeah, I'm, I'm excited to yeah,
wear, wear this around, see if

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see if it catches on a little
bit, but I like it updating the

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merch store.
So yeah, also people have good

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ideas.
I think we're always, always

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open to throwing something in
the.

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Yeah, my interview with Brian
Coles, Jared.

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And we had an idea for merch
there, you know, 'cause he lost

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one of his legs.
I said instead of take two, take

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one.
So.

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Oh.
Man, yeah, I just, I, I recently

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listened to those 'cause I guess
last week the.

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Second one dropped.
Second one dropped last week.

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And so I've just listened to the
last couple weeks, man.

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It was man, yeah, man, it was
really cool hearing his, his

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testimony and his, you know,
attitude and all all these

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things throughout.
What a what a crazy, crazy.

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But he was saying like on there,
like, you know, everyone in his

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county or city, like, we'll be
making this won't happen.

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It's like word spreads.
And right, it was like, wow,

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'cause they're, they're probably
a, well, they're a well known

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farming family in that area.
So everyone would have known.

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Did you hear what happened to
Brian?

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You hear what happened to Brian?
And they're like, OK, we can't

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do that anymore.
Yeah, yeah, and it's amazing how

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God has uses.
I always love was I don't I it's

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funny.
I don't know Brian, but I kind

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of feel like I do after, you
know, a couple and then was, you

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know, you know the voice.
I like always recognize now you

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know.
So it's great you guys grew up

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together.
I mean like like paint a

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picture.
You guys were like.

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I first met Brian.
He was dressed up like a toy

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soldier with a top hat because
the church, it was not my church

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at that time, but that, but it
became my church in the 7th

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grade that they would do what
they called his kids and they

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would drive a bus to both Bald
Mob and Augusta schools because

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the church is like in between
those two schools.

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And they would grab mainly kids
from their church.

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But it was, it was an
evangelistic thing too.

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And I got permission to go.
So I started going and we would

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do these plays.
It was real.

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I mean, there was a time when it
was really well done.

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Jill's mom kind of spearheaded
that and we would put on a play

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and stuff.
And so he was, he was one of the

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older guys in there when I was
one of the younger guys.

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OK, that's what I was wondering
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He's about five years older
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Me.
Oh, cool.

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That is really, really neat,
man.

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Those are the days.
I remember Cokeman Church and it

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was just very evangelist bus
ministry.

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Huge, huge.
We would have so many.

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I don't think it this is does
not age well when you call

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people bus kids like that
doesn't like we picked up the

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bus kids.
Not, not not in today's culture,

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but man, we had a lot of people
involved in Awana that you

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could.
And when I worked in a in

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college, worked in this camp in
Hawaii, it would be like, all

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right, two hours until VBS
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Let's drive around like, Hey
kid, you want to go to VBS And

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like it was a huge evangelistic
outward and it was like, OK, it

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wasn't creepy or weird.
It was like we would talk to

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parent.
I'd be like great, go and it you

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know, you could go knock on
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I don't know.
We would canvas so much and like

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we would actually have a lot of
people at BB s s I think.

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There was like a cultural
familiarity with BBS that was

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watching.
The neighborhood, right?

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Yeah.
Oh yeah, VBS, yeah.

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Oh, you.
Wanted that church.

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Oh yeah.
And this church does it the next

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week and it was like all the
kids like went to things.

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It was it was.
I was talking about this with

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Leanne.
Like, just like we like had the

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like skits like you, you had
this big production like we'd

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have like these skits that were
like, maybe I was just funny as

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a kid or as a teenager you were
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And it was like in the youth
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involved on the girls or the
boys or whatever.

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And we like to cheer.
I don't know.

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It was like it, it was kind of
almost like camping, not really

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camping.
Did you have?

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Any evangelistic chess type
stuff that you were doing?

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Yeah, with that.
That's where the knife thrower

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guy was at though.
That I've the chains before or

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is that the same guy?
We had the whip, the chains.

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But he didn't.
Have change.

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No change.
There's a knife thrower with guy

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that was one one year, but it
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We we did the ours was like, I
don't know if it was like 9 to

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12.
It was like a day thing, morning

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thing maybe, but it was a big, a
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And I just got I get nostalgic
for that, you know, sometimes it

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was like it was like really fun
being involved in these things

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and like all the teachers would
like really dress up their

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classrooms.
I don't know.

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It was like a thing, but I think
it was like maybe more of a

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cultural.
There's a different time, you

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know, Simple time.
Yeah, well, we're doing Bible

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camp VBS our our church this
week as we're recording.

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It's great and and honestly, the
sanctuary looks great, like it

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looks really nice.
Yeah, that's good.

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Yeah, I think they yeah, it's
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I've seen that go, that pendulum
go where it's like everything is

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decorated and it's kind of like,
wow, OK.

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Are we about the decorations you
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Yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Finding, finding that that that.

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Happy to meet him.
Yeah, that's.

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Good.
It's great.

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It's always.
It's a lot of work.

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Someone's got to put that up and
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Down I know it is it is a lot of
work love Jack White just

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talking about I just great all
the puns and he's just so he he

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he just does amazing amazing
job.

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I was hoping you would like
dress up like Abraham and do

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this like Jack White esque, like
give all these you know.

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What does Abraham look like?
How do you dress up like

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Abraham?
That's true.

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It'd be hard.
It would be hard to dress up

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like, but like a patriarch and
be able to like meaningfully

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tell the difference, like for
sure, you know?

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Yeah, I'm.
I'm clearly Isaac and not yeah,

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you know.
How could you ever think this is

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Abraham, this is Isaac?
See the See the blood on my

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neck?
Yeah, I guess you would have to

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you have to like do a specific
story to really get the get the

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difference, like really nail,
nail it down.

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But yeah, our pastor Joel
started a new sermon series on

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Abraham, and Michael had this
great idea to, like, answer some

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of these off the beaten path.
Not off the beaten path, but you

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hear about these things.
But do you know about these

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things right?
Yeah.

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And I thought we could do like
just something we did on

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finance.
We covered a lot of topics that

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weren't necessarily what he
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finances as he was covering
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But so, well, we've been playing
with some technology issues.

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So you may notice on some of our
ones that the audio goes bad,

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not bad, but a little bit not as
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And then it comes back.
Well, we sometimes we look over

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and what we use to record our
audio felon falls out.

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So that just happened.
So we were in the middle of

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talking about a lot of VBS and
Abraham and I'll splices

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together.
And but we don't know exactly

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where it went bad or, you know,
so maybe we maybe maybe there's

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enough for the good audio that
we just go right, right in.

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But our pastor is starting a
series in on Abraham.

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And by the time this airs, he'll
probably be two or three into

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it.
But we thought we might, you

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know, do like we did with
finances, just cover some things

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that he probably won't cover.
Or maybe we'll cover them in

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from a different vantage point.
But really wanted to ask who is

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Abraham and where'd he come
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Where'd he go?
It's kind of like Cotton Eye

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Joe, you know there.
You go, I, I, I'm pumped for

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this because I think you know
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It just helps give that context
that you've everyone turned

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Abraham, but you probably
haven't thought through all

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these things totally.
So let's jump into it.

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Take it to the next level from
the hearts of the Low Country in

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South Carolina.
It's the Take Two podcast where

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we take theology to the next
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Father Abraham.
Father Abraham.

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Had many children.
Man, make it, make it, make it

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inclusive.
That's good, because then you

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have to say Father Abraham had
many sons and daughters.

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It just it doesn't roll off the
tongue quite as good.

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But if you, if you're a student
of your the word, you'll know he

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came from ER, and we know which
ER, ER, the Chaldeans.

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Boom.
Yeah, not.

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Just any ER, yeah, not just any
ER.

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That's so funny.
It's like you don't run across a

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lot of two letter places that
often, you know, just like

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stands out.
Yeah, well, there's also I.

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I Oh yeah.
Where, you know, they lost 36

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people and they're like God's
turn from us.

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I'm like, you know what I'm
talking about.

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Like after they.
Fight.

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Yeah, Joshua.
Yeah, after they fight Jericho.

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Yeah, and that guy.
I, I, I feel like I always say

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AI just because it's easy.
It's easy.

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It's like just so people don't
lose the.

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I think I is probably the right
way to say.

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It I don't know.
I always think of Alan Iverson

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too.
Such AI.

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I.e.
AI don't, Yeah, who who knows,

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but he came from ER and I think
I remember hearing about this

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when I was younger, that there
are two proposed locations where

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this ER could have been.
There is a southern ER which

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would be by modern day I'll let
you say this the city and around

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since I had to read all those
names.

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And payback I cannot.
Nasir.

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Yeah.
Nasiria.

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I like that.
Yeah, looks right by the heart,

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by the Euphrates, the where
ancient summer would be, where

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the Samaritans would come from.
And that seems to make the most

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sense.
There is a northern city called

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Irfa.
Irfa and it's near modern day

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border of Syria and Turkey which
would be more more northern and

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actually closer to Haran where
they stop.

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Oh, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So some scholars make some some
plays for that that because it

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makes it doesn't necessarily
make sense if you're going well

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this direction that you would go
so far north and then come over.

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Oh right yeah, like why would
Yeah, I.

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Got you.
But if you're just doing that,

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maybe it makes more sense on the
past.

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Iran was as far as his father
got.

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Is that the?
Yeah.

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Yeah.
Tara died at Haran.

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You gotcha?
Yeah.

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Do you remember doing the
walkthrough though?

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Were you there at the?
I, I was at the, I was just, I

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didn't go to that.
Oh, you just like I'm too good

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for this.
Yeah, I actually, I, I showed up

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and I was like, I'm too good for
this and walked out.

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Made a big deal about it now.
But there was a place, you know,

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Tara died.
You know, you kind of, you know,

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that's where Tara.
Died, yeah.

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But there is, well, we'll say
this in Southern Earth fits a

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lot of motifs of, you know, if
it's a biblical mention of the

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Chaldeans, it's a major urban
city of worship of not Nana.

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Nana.
The moon God.

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But we it is anachronistic
because the Chaldeans, even at

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the time of when Moses would
have been writing this down,

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weren't there yet.
Gotcha.

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So some people are like, why did
Moses call this ur the

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Chaldeans?
And then there's speculation.

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Well, some people say, well,
just because our history books

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and you know, the the book of
Genesis is a history book and

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you should look at it as a
primary source document.

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And so you should say, yeah, the
Chaldeans were there.

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Maybe this book didn't know
about them, you know, but this

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is this is evidence that they
were there.

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You're just discounting it
because it's the Bible, but then

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other people are like, well,
maybe an editor came in later

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and added that so that you would
distinguish because they knew

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there were two different cities
with IRFA that were were close.

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Regardless, we know that he came
from ER and probably the

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southern ER is the.
That's great.

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We're thinking Iraq is what you
should be thinking, most likely.

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I like that.
Yeah, but the southern port

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portion of today's Iraq, but
where the Sumerian people would

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have been from.
So it wouldn't be like if you're

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picturing present day Iraqis,
it's probably not the right

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race.
Just only geographically, but

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not peoples.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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That, that that's good, good
distinction.

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We'll maybe talk a little bit
down the road more about this

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people distinction because it is
hard.

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You're trying to contextualize a
modern day, but you don't get

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the wrong idea and run with that
too far.

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So Genesis 1131 says Tara took
Abraham his son to go to the

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land of Canaan, but when they
came when they came to Haran,

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they settled there.
So they they stop off there a

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little bit.
Joshua 224 two also says Tara

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lived beyond the river and they
served other gods there.

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So just some context of what's
going on so.

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There was this big turning
point.

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He was like instinct in one sort
of religious culture.

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What I liked about pastor's
notes and they were like the

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color notes last Sunday.
It's like we spent the money,

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you know, I.
Guess he wanted that mapped or

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or or maybe he did it and didn't
know.

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It was like, oh, I guess we're
getting.

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I guess we're getting color and,
and it had kind of his route on

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there.
And I'm always fascinated by

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this stuff 'cause I, I am not
great at geography.

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It always helps me, you know, to
see this.

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And then you always, and I know
you maybe can't nail down stuff

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like perfectly, but you, you
always do wonder like why they

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take this route or go this way
or you know, these things.

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But I like that we're going to
map out Abraham's journey.

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Try to contextualize that a
little bit.

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Yeah.
So they're going to start down

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in southern Iraq near the
Euphrates River Valley, and

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that's past Babylon.
So it's it's, it's lower, it's

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more southern than Babylon.
And then maybe we could get that

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map and I can get that and and
put it up here for people to see

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and.
It's almost like they're going

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up the like they're like kind of
tracking with the river kind.

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Of and that kind of makes sense,
that's what.

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That's what I would do.
Yeah, like let's just because

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the river is life in the desert,
so you're going to stay close to

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the river and then cut over.
So and you never know, there may

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have been, you know, cultural or
political reasons to stay close

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to the people.
Like maybe like we know these

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people are abandoned.
That's a good point, living

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here.
So we're going to kind of stay

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close to our country and then
cut over.

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Maybe God just let them that
way.

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Yeah, yeah, it's hard.
It's at some point speculation,

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can't put too much into it, but
it's at least plausible.

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Like that seems like a good,
good way to go.

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So they're so Iraq working up
this this river and they.

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Basically going to cross over to
present day Syria, probably

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Syria back then, and then almost
as north as where present day

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Turkey is.
So you're thinking like if you

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can picture this map, you know,
they're going up to kind of

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close to present day Turkey and
then they're going to come back

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down maybe, you know, to just
slightly east of like Damascus,

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Lebanon, and then down into what
we they would call Canaan at

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that time.
That's great.

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So if you're putting miles on
this earth to Haran, 1000 miles.

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So it ain't nothing, ain't
nothing to sneeze that there.

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It's like on a map.
You're like, oh, they went here

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to hear, then here to hear.
Like actually this was this was

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quite the quite the journey.
And then another 400 miles Harin

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to Hebron.
Yeah.

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Gotcha.
OK, yeah.

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And so modern day countries,
Iraq, Syria, Turkey, Lebanon and

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then down into Israel AKA
Palestine thinking chat for

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throwing Palestine in there.
And so in the ancient times,

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that would be summer or where we
get the Sumerians, not not the

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Sumerians.
Oh yeah, yeah.

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Not not the Good Samaritan,
that.

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Not those.
Oh, gotcha.

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Yeah, that's a good distinction.
Yeah.

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Not the same.
Yeah.

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Then Akkad.
This morgid Akkadians like

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Akkadian language and this some
of this ancient stuff.

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Mari, I, I don't know Aram and
then finally into to Canaan.

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Right.
And you know, you look at this,

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you you alluded this some like
there might have been banned

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into Raiders, but you think
about contextualizing it again,

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they're going to run into wild
animals.

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And I don't know if you've ever
looked this up to you probably

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know this, but you know, back
back in ancient time, the the

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animal landscape a little bit
different in the Middle East

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too.
I don't know if you've looked at

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this before, but it's kind of
interesting.

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I haven't with things like lions
and these they were all over

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like you.
Well, you read like, you know,

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even in, you know, Dave, David's
killing the lions and where he's

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at.
Salman.

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Says the lazy person, says, oh,
there's a lion in the street.

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And I'm like, I guess you would
have to be lazy because there

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are no lions around here for us,
you know what I'm saying?

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Yeah, yeah.
And it is crazy.

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And you look and there's the
lion population has declined a

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lot, at least in like Jerusalem
and things like with all the you

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don't see as many lions there.
But it's I was looking at this

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like, oh, I wonder how many
lions?

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But I was looking at this one
time and they're, you know, I

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guess less people and all these
things running around.

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I'm glad that chats got snakes.
Snakes as a danger, maybe as a

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companion, you never know.
No, no.

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Tribal skirmishes kind of
mentioned that, you know they're

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coming through places that could
be hostile.

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And Abraham does get into some
skirmishes from time to.

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Time he does, and he seems a
little skittish about

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skirmishes.
Yeah, yeah.

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You know, he had his had his
fair, fair share.

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So he probably knows what's up.
Walking through some desert

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areas, water could be scarce.
So yeah, maybe you got to cling

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to the river for that kind of
stuff.

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And then you just mentioned all
these different cultures.

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You know, there's got to be
these language barriers, culture

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barriers.
Yeah, it's hard, you know, for

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us and our our times.
It's especially Americans, where

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the United States is so big and
almost everyone speaks English

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here.
There's not a huge compelling

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need to learn a second language.
And that's evident that most of

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us don't learn a second
language.

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But you wonder how many
languages did Abram?

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No, did.
Was he a metropolitan guy who,

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you know, knew how to speak?
More businessman?

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Yeah, maybe he, you know how to
figure some of that out, that

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that's a good point that we
probably don't think about

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enough.
And then, you know, everyone's

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got their little God they
worship or whatever, right.

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So you're setting up these
altars here and there.

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It might.
It might be like you're set

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making a statement.
Yeah, that that that.

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I think when you do that,
because he's going through land

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that's not even his, he's like,
I'm going to build an altar to a

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different God right here that
you maybe not recognize so.

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Nana can take this.
And that's right.

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That's right.
Yeah, I like it.

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So we see Abraham is called one.
Could you read Genesis 12 one

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through 3 for us?
Great.

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Yeah, let me.
Yeah, you'll have to look it up.

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Oh, oh, I'm not trying to call
you out.

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I thought maybe you.
Michael brought his Bible

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everyone and I didn't.
No, no, I can I can get to it

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and look.
Yeah, I'll read it.

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See you're the good.
What you could be doing is your

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notes had the the scripture pre
printed.

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So that's that's a that's a
bonus where my notes didn't have

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it.
All right, So let me get there

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to it.
It says now the Lord said to

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Abram, go forth from your
country and from your relatives

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and from your father's house to
the land, which I will show you

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and I will make you a great
nation and I will bless you and

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I will make your name great and
you so you shall be a blessing

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and I will bless those who bless
you and and the one who curses

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you, I will curse.
And then you, all the families

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of the earth will be blessed.
So really first little hint of

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the Abrahamic covenant, not a
hint, the first statement of it.

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And it will get stated again in
15 and 18 and maybe 21.

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I think it goes every three
chapters like that.

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But I know 15 and 18 for sure.
So he's a.

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Great guy He he was just doing
so good.

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He's like Abraham.
I like what you're doing here.

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It is pretty amazing that we've
read just a little bit earlier

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in Joshua 24, two, that his
families weren't seeking out

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Yahweh.
Yeah.

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You know, they were worshipping
idols.

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It was.
Yeah.

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So I I I love that word.
You can't point to ask what

452
00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:44,360
scripture tells that he's doing
all these great things.

453
00:21:44,360 --> 00:21:47,720
And so I'm picking you.
And how I wonder if it was the

454
00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:50,080
Angel of the Lord that appeared
to him?

455
00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:52,800
Like what?
What was it?

456
00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:55,680
Just a still small voice inside
his you.

457
00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:56,600
Know, I know.
Yeah, that.

458
00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:59,040
I think it had to be more than.
That you you would think to

459
00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:00,800
abandon everything you would
think.

460
00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:02,520
Yeah.
It would be this.

461
00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:04,360
We don't.
We're not told explicitly.

462
00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:08,960
We're told in Hebrews that he
had faith in something that God

463
00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,760
told him.
We don't know, you know, to do

464
00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:13,120
this.
And he obeyed.

465
00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:15,280
Yeah, and I love.
I pulled up Hebrews 11/8.

466
00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:17,560
It was by faith that Abraham
obeyed when God called him to

467
00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:19,960
leave home and go to another
land that God would give him as

468
00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:22,760
his inheritance.
He went without knowing where he

469
00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:25,480
was going.
So that that I mean that is

470
00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:26,440
faith right there.
Right.

471
00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:28,840
So maybe that explains why they
went so far north They're.

472
00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:30,040
Just yeah, yeah.
Because he's like, I don't know,

473
00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,640
you know, we're just following.
We'll see what where God, you

474
00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:36,800
know, calls us.
One point that I did want to

475
00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:38,680
bring out that I thought was
very interesting that Joel

476
00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:42,440
mentioned was, was Abraham an
evangelist?

477
00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:44,520
Yeah, the verbiage.
That's interesting.

478
00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:48,760
Yeah, very interesting.
We read Genesis 12/8.

479
00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:53,040
I'll read that one says.
Then he Abram proceeded from

480
00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:56,680
there to the mountains on the
east of Bethel and pitched his

481
00:22:56,680 --> 00:23:02,160
tent and Bethel on the West End.
AI well, there we go on the east

482
00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:06,440
and there he built an author
altar to the Lord and called

483
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:10,440
upon the name of the Lord.
So you're just reading this in

484
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:13,760
English, and you're probably
thinking he's just praying he's,

485
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,360
you know, maybe asking for help
or something.

486
00:23:17,360 --> 00:23:18,240
Yeah.
Just call on the name of the

487
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:19,320
Lord.
You just call on the name of the

488
00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:25,760
Lord, but that verb, while it
can have that that meaning, it

489
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:27,440
can't.
It can also mean and.

490
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,800
Probably better translation
would be proclaiming the name of

491
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:33,120
the.
Lord, that is that it, that I've

492
00:23:33,120 --> 00:23:36,120
never really paid a lot of
attention to that, but I was

493
00:23:36,120 --> 00:23:39,040
glad that this was in our notes
and you've got this.

494
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:42,320
What corroborates is this
Genesis 4 passage you have.

495
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:46,640
Yeah, Genesis 426 says the men.
Then men begin to call upon the

496
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:50,520
name of the Lord.
And we, you know, I've always

497
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:52,320
like, oh, is that the first time
they ever prayed?

498
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,440
Yeah, yeah, yeah, right.
You might just think that and

499
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:57,680
you're like, oh, it's probably
more significant.

500
00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:59,840
Right.
They're probably publicly

501
00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:02,320
worshipping or proclaiming the
name of the Lord.

502
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:08,400
Scholars like Bruce Walkie,
Walter Kaiser, they say that

503
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,320
this is more of a public
proclamation than a private

504
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:13,600
prayer.
Dude, Bruce Waukee, he's my guy.

505
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:17,040
He's the guy for Psalms and
Proverbs and man, I wasn't him.

506
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:21,280
If he's he, he knows his Hebrew
very, very well.

507
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,640
And this is the kind of stuff
we, I mean, there needs to be

508
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:31,280
like a revamped the translation
that is like the NESP or the

509
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,480
ESP.
But like even our translations,

510
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:35,560
they they want to hold on to
tradition so much because it's

511
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:37,920
so ingrained in the.
Culture, it's a business.

512
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:39,400
They got to make money.
That's right, yeah.

513
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:43,280
But you know, the joy of the
Lord is my Yeah, right.

514
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:46,560
We talked about that.
You know, we got to, we got to

515
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:48,400
get better.
It's so interesting because it's

516
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,480
like that does like this is.
Jesus, this is pretty big.

517
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,840
Joseph and Mary going to an inn.
Upper room.

518
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:59,920
It's like honestly it would it's
it would make sermons a lot

519
00:24:59,920 --> 00:25:02,840
shorter so you don't have to.
You wouldn't have to explain as

520
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:04,600
much.
But yeah, it's like why it's so

521
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,400
funny because like half of like
if you were listening to like a

522
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,960
KJV preacher and you've got
like, and if you're like half

523
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:11,680
the sermons gone already because
you're trying to explain

524
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:13,160
something that's right here in
my text, it's great.

525
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:17,880
Anyway, carry on all.
Right, So if you can just

526
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:23,040
envision this, this guy from a
foreign country coming into your

527
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:29,160
country, and especially if you
are beholden to, you know, Baal

528
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,800
or some of these other gods that
you worship.

529
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:35,160
And remember, you know, you can
go back and listen to our

530
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:39,800
podcast on the Nephilim and, and
those the, the gods and the

531
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:41,280
demons that we think that we're
there.

532
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,840
How it was very geographical,
like this is the God of this

533
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:47,720
area.
And now Abraham is planting

534
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:52,480
along the way these altars to
Yahweh, and he's preaching

535
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,280
Yahweh's name, and he's a
foreigner.

536
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:57,800
That seems like an evangelist.
Yeah.

537
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,400
Proclaiming that that is a big
deal.

538
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:04,560
And like he's like, I don't know
where I'm going, but God, you

539
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,760
know, the God Yahweh is, is.
Yeah.

540
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:11,640
That that's like in your face
telling everyone, especially if

541
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,160
you interpret this as
proclaiming the name of the Lord

542
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:15,320
more than I'm just talking to
God.

543
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:17,720
It's like, man, I'm proclaiming
that that that brings a lot more

544
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:21,680
color to the story.
All right, So the next thing you

545
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,280
know, these are just the number
of questions that I personally

546
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:27,600
had that I was like 1 to look up
and get answers to because I

547
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:33,640
always have heard perhaps Tara
failed and stopping at Haran.

548
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:35,560
I don't know.
What do you think?

549
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:39,120
I, I don't know too.
Whenever I, whenever I hear

550
00:26:39,120 --> 00:26:40,720
teaching on this, I hear that a
lot.

551
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:44,520
And then I look at the text and
I think that very well may have

552
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,240
happened and I can't.
I I don't know Is there some way

553
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,600
the text is like?
How old was he when he died?

554
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:53,120
Like maybe he's like, I got to
stop here because I can't go we.

555
00:26:53,120 --> 00:26:55,280
Just did 1000 miles like it's
it's just.

556
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:57,120
It's not.
Like he was like I did 20 miles

557
00:26:57,120 --> 00:27:00,400
in a mile.
Like there was some obedience

558
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:04,040
there, but it does what what's,
what's the way it's written?

559
00:27:04,120 --> 00:27:06,480
Is it written in a negative way?
Is that why people say it?

560
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:07,640
Or is there like this
connotation?

561
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:09,120
Because I feel like people say
that a lot.

562
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:15,560
Yeah, let me read Genesis 1131.
It says Tara took Abram, his

563
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:22,760
son, and Lot, the son of her on.
So it would be his brother,

564
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:24,920
right?
His grandson.

565
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:29,880
And wait a minute, I'm getting
confused here, but let me just

566
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,280
finish reading.
And Sarai or Sarah, his

567
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:35,240
daughter-in-law, his son
Abraham's wife.

568
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:39,040
And they went out together from
Ur of the Chaldeans in order to

569
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:43,040
enter the land of Canaan.
And they went as far as Haran

570
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,560
and settled.
By they went for Canaan made.

571
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:46,400
It settled.
Iran.

572
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,560
So that makes sense.
They knew the goal and they

573
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:51,680
didn't make it to the goal.
So that OK, that does make

574
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:52,720
sense.
Why do we make it?

575
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:58,960
The days of Tara were 205 years,
and Tara died in Haran.

576
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:04,480
I mean, he's lived a long life.
Yeah, that, that's because,

577
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,840
because really Abraham, I mean,
is it just as 12?

578
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,360
Is Abraham like 75?
What are we talking like?

579
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:14,600
Yeah, Tara lived 70 years and
became the father of Abram,

580
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:19,960
Nahor and Haran.
And then Lot is the son of

581
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:23,440
Haran.
So Lot is Abraham's nephew,

582
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:31,400
Tara's grandson, and they're
going to name the city where

583
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:36,040
they stop after Tara's father or
grandfather, Haran.

584
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:37,600
This note is really good to
hear.

585
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,720
Haran was a key worship Center
for the moon.

586
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:43,520
God, sin or sign.
Tara may have returned.

587
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:45,800
I could see that being OK.
I know, Nana.

588
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,160
Yeah.
It's like it's moon God worship,

589
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:49,400
you know?
It's like, you know, pretend.

590
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,320
Not that we you can say that for
sure, but you can see maybe

591
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,160
there were.
Distractions of sorts, Yeah.

592
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,200
All right.
And this is another question you

593
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:03,040
know was bringing lot a mistake.
Yeah, because it doesn't seem

594
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,520
like a lot of great things
happened.

595
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:13,080
Hebrews 11 does list a lot in
the faith chapter, yeah, but

596
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,600
there are complications.
Lots wife in the page, Chapter

597
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:17,080
2.
Lots wife, I'm just.

598
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,320
Kidding.
Yikes.

599
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,960
No, I think that's where we get
most of that salt that we get,

600
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,160
you know the the red colored
salt today.

601
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:26,360
You know what?
You know how like on the salt

602
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:28,840
shakers got like that umbrella
person?

603
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:30,520
Yeah, Morton.
'S why don't yeah why don't we

604
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:34,880
have turning back salt to wife
that that that's $1,000,000 idea

605
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,240
we should make lots wife's salt
like a.

606
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,520
Friend like the the brand name?
Yeah, like.

607
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:40,800
Turn back.
I don't know what the word would

608
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:44,960
be, but you know something.
Yeah, you know the hit the story

609
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,760
behind Morton's salt.
What's the story behind it?

610
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,880
Well, the salt before then, but
however it was processed, it

611
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:56,360
would clump really bad when it
was high humidity and you see

612
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,920
her holding her umbrella in the
rain and the salt still pouring.

613
00:29:59,920 --> 00:30:02,880
So that they, they formulated it
in a way I don't know if they

614
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,880
like coated in silica or like,
you know, just a tiny trace

615
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:09,320
amounts of something so that it
flows even while it's raining

616
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,160
and humid out there.
Man, I'm trying to think of

617
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,760
there's something there with
like puns on Sodom and Gomorrah.

618
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:16,440
There's something about this.
I don't know what it is.

619
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,320
But future, future banter.
Yeah, there we go.

620
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,560
But you're right, it wasn't
like, oh, a lot appeared.

621
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,360
Everything's great.
It's like bad things happened a

622
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:28,240
lot.
Well, 12/1 specifically says go

623
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:32,320
from your country and from your
relatives and from your father's

624
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,480
house.
Yeah, so, but is that just like,

625
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:39,840
well, that just means leave all
the people that you know and

626
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,040
leave you can take some people
with you because obviously he

627
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,800
had servants and stuff that, you
know, his employee.

628
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:47,920
Employees would be another way
of saying that in the days.

629
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:52,240
But we see, you know, lots
herdsmen and 13 are going to

630
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,120
fight with Abraham's herdsmen.
So they're going to like, OK,

631
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:56,520
you go over there, I'll go over
there.

632
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,720
Obviously the Sodom and Gomorrah
disaster with Lot.

633
00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:02,560
And Lot was like, was Lot the
one that was taken by these?

634
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:04,360
Like Abraham had to go, like,
rescue him too.

635
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,040
So on top of that, he's like,
come on, hot.

636
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:07,400
We're getting fat.
I was like, come on.

637
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:09,840
Help me out, man.
That's what introduces us to

638
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:13,400
Melchizedek, because Abraham
takes his portion and gives it

639
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,160
to Melchizedek.
You know, that's true, Salem.

640
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:16,880
So maybe.
Yeah, that's all good.

641
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:21,560
And the name a lot, lot.
I just, it's, it's bland, you

642
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:22,200
know?
Yeah.

643
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,840
Like unlike the salt.
There's there's more stuff.

644
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:25,760
There.
I keep coming back to that

645
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:26,360
anyway.
That's good.

646
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,240
That's good.
All right, We're just answering

647
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,840
some random questions like who
is, who is Abraham?

648
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:33,320
So here's another random
question.

649
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:37,320
The land of Canaan, what did
Abraham find there?

650
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:41,600
And so, you know, in our current
political culture, yeah,

651
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:43,480
everyone's wanting to call it
Palestine.

652
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:44,440
Yeah.
That.

653
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:49,680
And I have no dislike for the
people of Palestine, that

654
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:51,880
they're actually in a hard
plight because it's tough.

655
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:55,240
None of the Arab countries
around them will take any of the

656
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,160
Palestinians.
You know, there's you go.

657
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,200
Look at the border wall between
Egypt and Palestine.

658
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,120
That's a border, you know, Saudi
Arabia.

659
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:09,040
But So what I'm about to say,
don't This is not at them

660
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:12,320
specifically, but Palestine is
named for the Philistines.

661
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,440
Yeah, which is?
The arch enemy of the

662
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,720
Israelites, right?
And the Philistines are probably

663
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:22,680
Whitey's of some some sort
because they came by boat,

664
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:24,720
they're seafarers.
So where did they come from?

665
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:26,560
Greece or somewhere?
We don't know exactly.

666
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:28,200
Yeah, right.
However it.

667
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:33,440
So they're they that name
Palestine really has no lineage

668
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:35,800
to the, you know, the
Palestinian million people that

669
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:36,960
are there today.
What?

670
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,560
Happened is insane.
Yeah, after 70 AD, when Rome was

671
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,920
like, we're just done with the
Jews.

672
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,360
We're we're destroying them or
wiping off the map.

673
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,240
And I'm going to name this place
Palestine, which was like the

674
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:52,800
transliterate, literate
transliteration of the, you

675
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:56,680
know, Philistine, Philistine.
So yeah, anyways.

676
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,040
Not it was not a compliment.
I was trying to look at who.

677
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:01,560
Oh yeah, Hadrian.
That was it.

678
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,000
Hadrian was like, I'm calling
this place Palestine because

679
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:08,400
Jews aren't going to like this.
And it is, it is a complicated

680
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:09,880
thing.
My I was looking this up to.

681
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,680
Do I have the timing wrong?
Is it this?

682
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:14,880
When did that?
When did that?

683
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:16,640
I just looked.
At this the Romans officially

684
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:22,720
renamed the region Palestine in
one 3580 after the bar Copa

685
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:24,280
revolt this Jewish upper area
it's a.

686
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:26,600
Little later than what I.
Said Emperor Hadrian

687
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,320
intentionally chose this name to
erase Jewish identity from the

688
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:33,640
land to humiliate the Jews.
So it was very on on purpose.

689
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:35,000
And you're right, it's so, so
complicated.

690
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:36,640
I was reading the stat.
I want to pull this up.

691
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:44,320
This is not the podcast, but in
1940, 10% of Palestinian

692
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,800
population Christian like it's
it's the highest concentration

693
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,120
of Christians in the Middle East
is Palestine.

694
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:51,760
Yeah, yeah.
Makes the whole situation very

695
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:52,760
complicated.
Right, right.

696
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:56,680
Yeah.
And I, you know, I've been told

697
00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:01,720
that there are Palestinian
Christians who love the Jewish

698
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:02,760
people.
Yeah.

699
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:07,640
And believe me, we're not saying
that the current day citizens of

700
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,320
Israel are the best people.
Sure, right.

701
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,520
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So I'm not saying they're bad

702
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,280
either.
I'm just we're not weighing in

703
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,239
on that.
We know that there are tensions

704
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:23,199
between the current, some of the
current Jewish people there, the

705
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:27,679
the Israelites and the
Palestinians.

706
00:34:27,679 --> 00:34:29,960
But, you know, there are
Palestinian Christians who would

707
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:34,040
say Jesus is a Jew.
I follow Jesus.

708
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:38,760
He is Mashiach, the Messiah.
And we look forward to a day

709
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:40,880
when he's going to come back and
he's going to set the world

710
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,040
right and he's going to land
right over here in Jerusalem.

711
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,040
And yet we have tension between
us.

712
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:50,040
You know, we're, we're, we're,
you know, not, not fully

713
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,880
reconciled.
Yeah, it is so insane and

714
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,120
Disinsanity did not start today.
It was.

715
00:34:56,199 --> 00:34:59,800
It was like way back, you know,
Abrams walking in.

716
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,080
And it's not just like, oh,
here's a bunch of acreage for

717
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:02,840
free.
Right.

718
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:06,320
Yeah, yeah.
As, as is every, Yeah.

719
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,240
New start, you know, almost
almost every new start.

720
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:13,160
You know, maybe the original
walkers over the side the

721
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,600
Alaskan land bridge found a
whole bunch of land that no one

722
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:18,440
was at.
But because Genesis does record

723
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:22,400
in chapter 12, at that time the
Canaanites were in the land.

724
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:27,840
So we know from Scripture right
there, Flash 4, Genesis 15,

725
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:31,600
like, you know, 400 years down
the road or whenever all this

726
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:33,960
will come to fruition is because
the iniquity of the Amorites is

727
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,840
not yet complete.
Yeah, and it's like God is going

728
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:38,400
to prove to them how bad you
are.

729
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,960
I'm going to let you prove to
you how bad you are because I'm

730
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,000
going to wipe you out.
But I'm going to give you a

731
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,000
chance as repent and you're not
going to.

732
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:49,840
And you know, I think I've
hinted at this before, but I

733
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:54,040
listened to this historian, I
think it was Peter Kraft, Kraft

734
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:59,280
KREFT, he wrote a book about his
God, a moral monster.

735
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:03,560
And he goes through the culture
of the Canaanites and some of

736
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:05,640
the laws that they had on the
books.

737
00:36:06,240 --> 00:36:12,120
And and the law, I'll just say
you, you could not, there was a

738
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:17,960
law that you could not mate with
an ox because you don't want the

739
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:21,840
ox to gore people because
they've become habituated to

740
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:23,720
mate with you.
But you could mate with other

741
00:36:23,720 --> 00:36:24,680
animals.
OK.

742
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,800
So yeah, I'm just saying that
paired up with all the child

743
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:32,720
sacrifice, it was not a safe
place for people.

744
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,760
Man.
Young girls being sold into, you

745
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:39,640
know, basically sex trafficking,
you know, so just a culture that

746
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:44,480
you is as almost as bad as you
can imagine it for sexual

747
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:48,440
debauchery, child sacrifice,
Pagan idol worship and stuff.

748
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:52,040
Yeah, it's not like they were
like cleaning litter from the

749
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:53,800
side of the road.
It's, it's like we're we're just

750
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:55,960
helping everything because I
think sometimes you're like, how

751
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:59,200
could this happen?
And it's like, well, I think I I

752
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:02,960
love that that detail is in
there saying, hey, iniquities

753
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,640
not yet complete.
Like, hey, they're doing their

754
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:07,960
own thing.
Like, you know, giving them over

755
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:09,920
to what they want.
You know they're bringing

756
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:13,320
judgment on themselves.
So he comes into this land,

757
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:18,160
there's Canaanites, parasites,
Hivites, Jebusites, and and

758
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,080
wouldn't.
It be nice if it was like

759
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:25,160
Canaanites, parasites, hivites
like Arjun like there's not AI

760
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:26,240
like just throw it in there to
like.

761
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:29,160
A Stan or something?
Yeah, something just random.

762
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,000
Yeah, yeah.
All right.

763
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:35,760
So these altars that he, we kind
of already talked about this,

764
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:39,160
he's kind of like making
territory for Yahweh in this

765
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,880
foreign land.
And we've got one at Shechem,

766
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,760
one at Bethel, one of one at
Hebron, one at Beersheba,

767
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:50,800
Genesis 12/12/13 and 21 kind of
documents this for us.

768
00:37:52,240 --> 00:37:55,400
And they weren't just those
places of worship.

769
00:37:55,400 --> 00:38:00,480
They were also, you know, he's
always coming to to reign here.

770
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:04,520
If you think of the the the
council and the different people

771
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:06,600
that are pointed, you know, kind
of plays into that.

772
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:08,560
Yeah, that that's that's pretty,
pretty amazing.

773
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:12,160
I like that each altar followed
a divine encounter.

774
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,480
This covenant moment.
It's it's these significant

775
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:18,360
events and Abraham's like, man,
I just got to set this place up.

776
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:19,880
Yeah.
All right.

777
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:23,720
Last question I had was
researching the ethnicity of

778
00:38:23,720 --> 00:38:26,200
Abraham.
We've already kind of mentioned

779
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:27,840
this a little bit.
I talked about it.

780
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,080
He's he's not Arab.
Because I think this is

781
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:34,480
confusing because, you know,
Abraham's Judaism, Christian

782
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,920
Islam, like, you know, Arabs
will be like, hey, I look to

783
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:41,080
Abraham or I look to Ishmael,
but you know, so you see that

784
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:44,560
it's connected, but he was not.
I think this is.

785
00:38:44,720 --> 00:38:46,720
Yeah.
He wasn't from the Arabian

786
00:38:46,720 --> 00:38:49,880
Peninsula or, you know, have
the, you know, we're just

787
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:51,360
talking about, you know, just
different physical

788
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,040
characteristics.
From what I understand from

789
00:38:54,040 --> 00:39:00,080
Sumar, as a Semite descendant of
Shem, he would have had, you

790
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,680
know, more of what we would
might consider Iran.

791
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:04,760
He'd look more like someone.
From Iran, Yeah, yeah, yeah.

792
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,320
Yeah, the lighter skin, the kind
of the Persian look, you know,

793
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,840
the Medes and the Persian
Persians and not more like the

794
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:15,120
what we would consider like
present day Iraqi or Saudi

795
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:17,680
Arabian type of type of look
just for ethnicity.

796
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:19,520
Yeah.
Yeah, that that that's really

797
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:25,680
good linguistically and
ethnically, E Semitic closer to

798
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:31,240
this Acadian Sumerian culture,
which is I think hard to

799
00:39:31,240 --> 00:39:32,520
identify.
It's it's hard.

800
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:34,920
But I think I think when you put
it in that like the terms you

801
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:39,560
just did Arab versus like Iraqi
or something like or like you

802
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:43,640
know from Iran, like it kind of
like paints at least some, some

803
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,480
picture not British, not
British, not.

804
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:52,000
Irish, not Scandinavian, but you
know also not, you know,

805
00:39:52,240 --> 00:39:56,400
Northern Africa or Arab, you
know, distinct culture.

806
00:39:56,640 --> 00:40:03,000
Gives gives at least a little
bit to to to think about because

807
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:06,720
it's it's so confusing in the
today's world geography and

808
00:40:06,720 --> 00:40:10,600
thinking tracing back to that.
So I think that that's really

809
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:11,280
helpful.
Yeah.

810
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:15,640
All right.
Well, this is our first podcast

811
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:17,840
on Abraham.
Hopefully some questions and we

812
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,360
just kind of doing a biography
of of him and we'll get into

813
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:23,680
some more theologically dense
things.

814
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:25,840
But hopefully this answers some
questions, help you think about

815
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:30,240
who he really was and kind of
put them in in history and and

816
00:40:30,240 --> 00:40:33,120
Abraham lived we I guess we
should have answered this 500

817
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:38,760
years ago, thousand years ago.
So it's actually around 2000 BC.

818
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:42,080
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I think, you know, it's hard to

819
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:44,480
remember all the dates, but I
like how a lot of these major

820
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,880
Bible characters you can put at
these like 5 like these.

821
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,400
I think actually closer to 19,
but you.

822
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:51,640
Can, but yeah, yeah, yeah.
You can say 2000 years before

823
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:53,640
Christ ish.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that.

824
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,280
And then Moses is going to be
around 15, but it's actually

825
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,880
like closer to 1450, you know,
1430 before Christ.

826
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:03,240
Now I like it.
That is really helpful because

827
00:41:03,240 --> 00:41:05,720
man, it's just you think of all
these Bible carriers, you can

828
00:41:05,720 --> 00:41:08,040
like smush them all together and
it's like, oh, you're missing

829
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:10,040
how everything kind of unfolds.
But I like this.

830
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:11,480
This is great.
All right.

831
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:13,360
Anything else?
That's all I've got.

832
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:17,160
All right, that's our take.
Thanks for listening to Take

833
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,400
Two.
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834
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,920
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835
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:22,560
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