Do All Paths Lead to God?

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Michael yeah, you were a little
bit fired up today at home

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groups.
Was I?

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Yeah, and, and I think for, I
think for good reason.

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I'm just kidding.
You really weren't fired.

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I thought you were talking about
fall.

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Not fired up for fall, but yes,
fired up about this recent news

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that we're here to talk about.
Yeah, This is why we're bringing

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a bonus.
Bonus episode.

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Episode Michael caught me today
at church and was like we, we

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got to talk about this.
Yeah, and I was like, hey, so

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we're at my house, so this is
our dining room.

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So, you know, welcome to the the
Mott residents for recording.

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And the boom stands don't work
on the table.

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So it's just like we're live
recorders.

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I feel like, I feel like a yeah,
sideline recorder at an NFL

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game.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So over the weekend, one of our

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faithful listeners, I saw a post
in Theology Matters, the group,

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this quote by Pope Francis.
Cool.

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And you have it ready.
But he was really asking, like,

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how can we reconcile this with
the titles of the vicar of

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Christ that, you know, the Roman
Catholic Church is, you know,

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you know, they would believe
that it is the God's ordained

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organization and ministry to,
you know, bring the gospel to

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the world.
And you might expect that they

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would say you got to be
Catholic.

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It's Catholic robust.
Right.

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Catholic.
Robust.

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You would you would think that
this this is this is the quote

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from Pope Frankie.
All religions are paths to God.

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I will use an analogy.
They're like different languages

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that express the divine and and
this this kind of set a little

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firestorm inside the Catholic
Church being like what?

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Right.
Yeah.

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And and I think the Fuller quote
even talks about, you know,

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different religions that I saw,
but you know, that's enough for

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for you to hear.
And you might think, wow, this

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guy has really strayed from the
teaching of the Catholic Church.

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You might think that.
Yeah, you would think that, wow,

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this is guy is, but crazily
enough, the catechisms, I think

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these catechisms came out in
Vatican 2.

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They really support what he's
saying.

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It's not.
It's not too far afield of what

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the catechisms would say.
Yeah, I I was reading some

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Catholic sources on this story,
so I was like, this is weird.

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And this, this guy totally
backed him up and said, hey,

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actually check our catechism.
He's not really off base.

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If you read it, you know, in
context, read, you know,

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questions 841 to 850 it, it
talks a lot about how in one

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sense it, it would go on to say
there's no, there's no salvation

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outside the church, that really
the way to salvation is through

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Christ the mediator.
But I want to read 1.

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There's several questions we
could read.

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One question 847 of Part 1 says
this affirmation is not aimed at

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those who through no fault of
their own don't know Christ in

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his church.
And and in the answer it talks

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about if your sincere sincerity
of hearts and you try to live by

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your conscience, then they may,
they too may achieve eternal

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salvation.
There's also a few questions

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back.
They have a little question

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about what's the Church's
relationship with the Muslims.

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Questions 841 The plan of
salvation also includes those

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who acknowledge the Creator in
the 1st place, amongst those who

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are the Muslims.
These profess to hold the faith

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of Abraham, and together with us
they adore the one merciful God,

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mankind's judge on the last day.
So that's that's kind of

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shocking.
Yeah, so if you're with us in

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worship this morning, you would
have heard Chris Hawk maybe

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maybe six different times.
Quote this passage for out of

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John 16 where Jesus I think it's
16, maybe 15.

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But he says I am the way, the
truth and the life.

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No one comes to the Father but
through me.

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And then of course, you know
when when he is dies on the

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cross, he's buried, he's
resurrected, then he comes back

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and he gives his apostles what
we would call the Great

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Commission.
And but by this logic, I

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shouldn't be giving people who
don't know the gospel because

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now it's I'm, I could be damning
them.

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If if I give them the gospel and
they reject it, I could be

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damning them, but they just
don't know their own, their own

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fault, then then they're going
to be good.

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Which kind of turns all the idea
of of the whole New Testament,

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because you're going to be my
witnesses here in Jerusalem,

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Judea, Samaria, the other parts
of the world.

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It's like, no, Jesus, we don't
want to be doing that 'cause

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'cause if they're, they're
really kind of in the church,

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even though they don't know it.
Yeah, it's, it's very bizarre

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because if there's, you know, 18
different religions, there's you

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can't, they cancel each other
out and they roll each other out

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by and, you know, I was kind of
perusing in their catechism they

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and, and some commentary on it.
And they basically, at least

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what these people were saying
about the catechism is that, you

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know, you die, you're a Muslim,
you're a Hindu, whatever it is,

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you, you meet the judge, the
creator, and you kind of have a

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chance then, OK, now I know the
real facts.

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And I might say, oh, no, I'm
going to fall back on my Muslim

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roots and I reject Christ.
But you, you have that chance to

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accept Christ.
It's just very because like

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you're saying, what's the point?
Yeah.

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Well, and there's verses that
talk about, and I'm going to

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misquote this.
This is either like Hebrews or

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James where it says, you know,
it's appointed every other unto

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every man to wants to live.
And then the judgement you do

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what?
What is it something closer to

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that?
Yeah.

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Exactly.
I I I'm trying to think of

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exactly where that where that
is, it's.

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Important to unto every man
wants to die and then the

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judgement.
Yeah.

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So if if you die and then
there's a judgement, you're not

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going to get this chance to
that.

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That that's why the Great
Commission, like you're saying,

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is so important and that that's
there's urgency behind it.

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And so, yeah, could could have
been more timely this Sunday

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morning.
I am the way I'm the truth of my

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life, over and over and over
again.

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Yeah, and we're looking forward
to October.

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Which is.
Reformation Month and you might

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have some bonus episodes coming
out that deal with the

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Reformation and some of the
solos out there, so I'm looking.

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At you Pope Francis, he's 87 out
how good he's with technology,

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but maybe he.
Subscribes maybe, yeah, maybe he

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subscribe and.
Maybe we can.

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We can set him straight, yeah.
Does, I don't think does he

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speak English?
I'm sure he does.

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I'm I'm sure he's a pre learned
man.

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But yeah, maybe we we might need
to translate it into his native

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tongue so well, I'd forget what
that is.

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All right.
Yeah.

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Anything else on this Pope
Francis?

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I, I think nothing else.
I think, yeah.

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But as we talk about the Solas,
you know, we'll talk a lot about

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the Catholic Church, Yeah, at
least from going back in time.

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But a lot of that really stands
even more true today after the

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Council of Trenton, all these
things.

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Yeah.
All right, well, don't listen to

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the Pope.
Keep witnessing.

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Keep telling people about
Christ.

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Be the feat that bring good
news.

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Part of the good news is the bad
news.

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We're sinners.
We're destined for help.

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But price paid our way.
That's our take.

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