God's Plan for Israel Pt 2 | Romans 11:11-16

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Christmas gifts.
Christmas gifts.

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Do you get Christmas gifts?
Oh, you know it.

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Does your family like you got a
big family?

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Do your kids get gifts for
everyone and they like draw a

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name for sisters or like how do
they do stuff?

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Talking about my sisters or my
children.

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Your children.
Yeah, so it, we, Jill and I were

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just talking about this last
night.

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We're on the way home from
Christmas Carol and she was

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asking me what Christmases I
remembered growing up and man,

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probably not for this banter but
man I do remember 1 Christmas

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when I was really young.
Still believed in Santa I guess

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I will tell you.
And I just woke up really early

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and no one else was awake and
just getting up and like playing

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with toys and then like falling
asleep underneath the tree.

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Yeah, 'cause I knew I couldn't
unwrap any of the gifts that

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were wrapped, but the ones that
were unwrapped I was playing

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with.
And my, my parents were like,

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where is Michael?
And they're like, oh, he's, he's

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this free care in the living
room.

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But I, that was one of that that
I mentioned.

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And then a couple of years ago,
I think was the first year,

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maybe two or three years ago or
the first year that our daughter

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started actually getting each
other gifts.

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And it just made it much, it was
like it was much more touching

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because you got to see them
interacting and like trying to

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pick out stuff.
So it was really good.

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So that that tradition carries
on.

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And then in our extended
families, like my sister's, if

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you know, so for us, if you are
an adult, we typically play

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well, we call it Dirty Santa in
Arkansas, but I'm told that

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dirty Santa that has like a
different like it's like

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lingerie and stuff.
If you like like funny stuff

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like that here.
So, but you know, I think

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everyone knows where, where you
like draw a number and you can

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pick and then you can.
Like white elephant ish.

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Yeah, yeah.
Is it called white elephant?

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That's what.
We call but white elephant I

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think has the connotation that
you get a GAD gift, but you can

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do it with good gifts.
Yeah, these are.

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These are.
Well, I mean, like the time

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they're a limit, but maybe it's
like $20.00, but I'm trying to

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not give you something terrible.
Yeah.

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Right.
Yeah.

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So, yeah, yeah.
Oh nice, that's good.

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My kids, we're like, we, we give
them money to like get gifts for

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each other.
So, you know, to see how it goes

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like and the good thing.
Is a lot of my kids are working

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now, so they were earning their
own money.

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Yeah, that that's I'm going time
for this Christmas talking about

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Christmas a little bit at at
home groups got some got some

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funny stories there.
But I think what took the cake

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was I thought I heard some
animals in the in the driveway

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of the Hawks house.
Yeah, so got a gift from

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Clayton.
Nice.

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I guess it's repayment for three
years of duck hunting on Jill's

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family's.
So now you're square.

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There you go.
It's probably squared up now,

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but well, he's also giving me a
lot of information in in taught

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me stuff.
But anyways, when we're hunting

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Donnie, often we'll call geese
and it's like a Cooley sound

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'cause you're trying to kind of
mimic that.

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And I picked up on it because I
don't, I'm not a caller even

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when I do call and it's decent,
everyone's like you can't call.

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So, you know, sometimes I feel
left out and sad.

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But when geese fly over, I will
call out to them with use my

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voice.
But Clayton got me a actual

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goose call and got to try it
out.

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And I thought it sounded, I
mean, I could hear the IT

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sounded enough like a goose.
I said, Oh yeah, this is a

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goose.
Because it will.

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It has one pitch and then you
get a little more air and it

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kind of breaks over and.
Yeah, nice.

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How?
How much do you know geese

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dialects change is like pretty
much SE you're good.

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Or is it more specific than
that?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, they're they are well.

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So you just need one.
One you can do every goose in

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the nation, basically.
Oh, that's cool.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So they're, they're pretty

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they're.
I didn't know if there was like

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different sex that you would see
or something.

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Like that.
So you have like your normal

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Canada geese, you have your snow
geese, and then there's a third

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variety.
You know the guys will make fun

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of me for not well if they if
they listen.

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This will be a test.
If you are, if you hear this,

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you have to make fun of Michael.
Now that's for the podcast.

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There's a third one that's like
more Gray colored and maybe

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that's what it is, a great
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Sounds like a vodka.
But but only one of them.

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Like the crazy thing about
migratory birds is that

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sometimes they respond to the
calls of a other species.

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So like you could be down there
calling and a lot of times

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they'll just use the female
Mallard call and other ducks

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like teal and other ducks will
come in because they recognize,

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oh, there's a Mallard female
down there who's saying come,

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come in.
They're like social so that you

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know they they can respond to
not just their call.

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I learned, I learned a lot.
You know, banter is not just for

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the listeners, but it's for,
it's for me.

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Now I know, 'cause it's good to
know, you know, Christmas plans,

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good to know duck hunting, what
you plan to do when you're when

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you're calling these ducks that
might, may have thought that you

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have rejected them.
Right, Yeah, yeah.

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And sometimes the the ducks, you
think they stumble, but you ask

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have they stumbled so far as to
not be able to get back up?

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If they've if you've shot them,
maybe they have stumbled so far

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they can't.
I'll do my breakdown if you if

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you shoot them.
So we are on a sermon in Romans.

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Is this is this 31?
Is that what 3331?

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I think it's 31, unless I've
missed numbered, I'd have to go

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back and I I can go back and
look at all of our Google Docs

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and like, oh, that's where I
missed numbered.

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But so I just numbered from
memory this morning, 31.

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That's great, but I I could be
wrong.

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I'm sure, I'm sure it is right.
I'm excited to get into a God's

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Plans for Israel Part 2.
Looking at Romans 1111 through

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16, let's take it to the next
level from the hearts of the Low

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Country in South Carolina.
It's the Take Two podcast where

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we take theology to the next
level.

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Pastor Joel started off, you
know, with like he often does

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and, and kind of analogy the
state of where things are today

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last, you know, 10 years in
Israel and use that to kind of

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think about where things are at
as, you know, because Israel's

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always in the news.
It is always in the news and I

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thought I could just see, I can,
you know, he described the

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situation and his actions and I,
I could see him acting exactly.

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But apparently they were there.
He and his wife were there with

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his brother and his wife.
And there was a protest that

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broke out when they were there.
And Joel said that he was nosy

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and he was like wanting to see
what was there, wanting to see

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what was there.
And his brother Tim was like, we

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got to get out of here, dude.
We got to get to safety.

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But his point in all this is
that Israel is always caught up

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in the middle of things like
it's Oh, no matter.

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What happens here?
Small Israel?

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It's just like dominating
conversation for thousands and

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thousands of year, past, present
and future.

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Which fits nicely with, you
would think, a Jensen chart.

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Yeah, but.
No, no, Sir.

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He switched up on us.
So I actually grabbed this from

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his PowerPoint.
So boom, it's right here.

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You can see the chart that we're
looking at.

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I guess there's a group in
Austin, TX.

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It's this is a guy, this is a
guy and he like has, I could be

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wrong.
I think it's a guy because I've

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used their stuff before and he
maps out like, I think every

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single passage.
It's a really good resource.

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Well, he'll basically go, this
is what John MacArthur said.

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This is what John Piper said.
He uses, you know, maybe the

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same three or four people for a
lot of things.

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And then for like specific
books, he'll use the same

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certain people, but he's like,
here's three different

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viewpoints here and it's a lot
of information, but it's you.

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Think Joel has this resource
because lots of times you'll get

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a Moo, a MacArthur, and a Piper.
So maybe.

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I, I, I think especially
MacArthur Piper, probably that's

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probably easily grabbed from
there and even like RT Sprole

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sometimes and then and.
It's online resource.

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Free.
Yeah, Jensen, like Jensen graphs

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like for every book he
definitely grabs from there

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because they they have, he
basically puts up a lot of free

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stuff and takes, you know, so
that's probably why it's

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MacArthur and Piper.
You can go to their website and

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like copy what they said for a
sermon.

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Seems like he listens to like 10
sermons.

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Oh, that's really good.
So I'll try to find this

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resource and link it in the
doobly Doo below in the

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description for you.
But here is the graph.

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And so it is a summary of Romans
9 through 11.

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Romans 9 talks about past
election in God's sovereignty in

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Israel's election.
Romans 10, His present

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rejection, so man's
responsibility in Israel's

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rejection of God and we talked
about that quite a bit.

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You know, 9 is God's sovereignty
and choosing and then 10s like

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hey, but I use means and Israel
look.

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I held up my hand to you.
Yeah.

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And you rejected it.
So you were obstinate and and

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didn't want to and then 11 is
this future reception of Israel

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to God's calling of them?
So God's ways are higher, and

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God's not, not not ultimately
rejecting Israel.

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Now that that's great.
That's a good kind of summary.

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Do we have?
I couldn't, I was not reading

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the sermon right.
Are we done with 11 or we're

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looking?
He was just looking ahead to

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next week, kind of, or he was
not summarizing, I couldn't

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tell.
He grabbed, from what I could

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tell, some verses at the end of
11 to talk about what we're

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talking about, but the title
only had him going through.

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He only had him through like 16.
OK, so he he's got, he wouldn't

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put the whole yeah, I got you
'cause I was like, we talked

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about that and then he alluded
to some of that.

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Maybe it was just so.
I think we have one.

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More that would make sense.
Yeah, 'cause we, we haven't

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talked about, you know, the
olive tree and.

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I know that'd be a pretty big
thing to to skip over.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So we're in, we're in Chapter

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11.
And it's built around these,

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these two questions.
Has God rejected his people?

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May it never be.
And then did they not stumble as

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to fall?
Did they?

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May it never be got the double.
May it never bees got the double

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questions.
And so today we're looking

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really picking up at this second
question starting in verse 11.

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No, that's good.
And so like you just said, I'll

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just read again.
I say then did they did not

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stumble as to fall, did they?
May it never be.

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And so that's the question.
Here's the answer and really

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what we see here is that God is
working and is demonstrated in

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two different ways.
And so the first way that God is

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working, he is working through
their stumbling to bring them to

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faith.
So we see that in verse 11.

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So the rest of 11B was but by
their transgression, salvation

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has come to the Gentiles to make
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Now, we talked about this at
Home group a little bit tonight,

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this idea of Jews being jealous
of gentiles.

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Yeah, it seems a little odd to
me, but I'm honest.

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I was trying to think about it
too, especially in today's

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concept context, everything is
so political with Israel too.

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I, you know, most of the time
you ask a Christian, they're

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like, I love Jews are killing
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Jews are awesome.
Everything's great.

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But a lot of that's, I think
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Jews are killing it.
Poor choice, poor choice of

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words here, but just trying to
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politics.
It's I very rarely would know a

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curse and be like, oh, I see a
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gospel.
They're wrong.

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It's almost like you poor Jews,
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everything.
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an afterthought because it's
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You know what I mean too?
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it's like Jews don't seem like
they're like, oh, no, I don't

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have what the Gentiles have.
It's like I actually want to be

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secluded and do my thing.
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Yeah, so, and this is God's
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time where, oh man, we see
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Comes and, and maybe in Paul's
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Maybe it was like, oh, there's
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things happening and there's a
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fence and people are jealous.
I don't know.

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And the Jews were kicked out of
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I.
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That has anything to do with it.
But you know, maybe I don't

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know.
So we're we're grasping it how

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to best understand this, which
what you should do, you should

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take the test and the text and
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But there's this idea.
Of I I can't believe I said the

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Jews are.
Killing.

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It anyway, I'll try to move past
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I'm glad he called called me out
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think about that.
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Paul's going to pick up the same
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So, but I'm speaking to you who
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Inasmuch then, as I am an
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magnify my ministry if somehow I
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countrymen and save some of
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For if their rejection is a
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their acceptance be but life
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And so a lot here.
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going to pick up on some of the
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But the highlight here is that
the Jews fell, and through their

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stumbling, it brought salvation
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And then this salvation of the
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help motivate the Jews
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Messiah.
Yeah, that I, I think you're,

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you're nailing it there.
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Paul's pattern in in Acts, we
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going to start in the synagogue
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In Acts 13 verse 44, we read the
next Sabbath, nearly the whole

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city assembled to hear the word
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jealousy and begin contradicting
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blaspheming Paul.
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and said it was necessary that
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first, since you repudiate it
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eternal life.
Behold, we are turning to the

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Gentiles, for so the Lord has
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I have placed you as a light for
the Gentiles that you may bring

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salvation to the end of the
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So I guess Paul's, I mean Paul's
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jealousy, I mean jealousy cause
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And boy, what a what kind of a
knife in there Quoting the Old

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Testament as the Gentiles are a
light.

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I'm like to make the Gentiles
'cause, you know, yeah, you're

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not doing your job.
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And so.
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That that's it.
That's.

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What I'm saying, yeah, So often
as Joel does, like, hey, here's

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an application right here.
We don't have to wait to end to

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make a big, big application.
We're gonna make application

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here, Gentiles, your salvation,
your walk is supposed to provoke

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in a good way, Jews and maybe
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But Jews specifically from this
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And so Joel was asking a very
pointed question.

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Well, I thought it was good.
Are you living in such a way

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that Jews or other people would
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jealous of what they got?
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plaque, which I thought was good
from his office had written on

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there live in such a way that
those who know you but don't

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know God may come to know God
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So kind of the same same idea
there, that we would live out

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our faith in a genuine way, be
that salt and light that we're

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called to be.
Now that that makes makes a lot

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of sense even thinking back to
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Yeah, I I mean, I just I him
experiencing.

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I think it makes sense with what
this plaque says that people are

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just these Jews are probably
just seeing their fellow Jews

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like coming over to Christianity
and they're like, I don't have

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to be bound by the law.
I mean, it's like, man, I think

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that side of it can't would make
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really just not remembering.
Great, Michael.

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So I'm, I don't know.
I don't know if you are too.

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I know it's like this guy's
talking about Padre and.

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A lot.
So I was like the baseball team.

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Padres.
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So the illustration was that the
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could just skip over it.
But since we brought it up,

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we'll we'll give, we'll give,
we'll give it.

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So this guy was out.
It was in a WAR, and there was

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someone who was injured, and I
think it was someone injured

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from the other side.
And he went out to provide care

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for him.
And he said, Padre, are you a

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Christian?
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And then he's like, if
Christianity makes a man do for

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another what you've done for me,
then tell me about it because I

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want it.
So just this idea of this guy's

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living an example, even to an
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So yeah.
So that was Part 1, the answer

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to that question.
They didn't stumble so as to

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fall, did they?
May it never be through.

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Their stumbling was to bring
Gentiles to faith and then #2

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work with Israel in greater ways
in the future.

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And then you've got a big bold
underline.

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Temporary.
Yeah, because Joel had a slide

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that just said temporary.
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So this idea is that Jews have
fallen for sure, or or have

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stumbled, but they haven't
fallen to get my get my

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terminology right.
So they're they're not down for

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the count, but they are, they're
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So it's just a temporary.
And again, we already read some

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of this from our previous, but
verse 12 says now if their

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transgression is richest for the
world and their failure is

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richest for the Gentile, how
much more will their fulfilment

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be?
Wow, that that that is good.

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For if their rejection is the
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what will their acceptance be
but life from the dead?

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And we see in these verses we're
moving from the lesser to the

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greater.
You know, if there's Jewish

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transgression, if that Jewish
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the world and a Jewish failure
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and if there was Jewish
rejection that brought

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reconciliation of the world, how
much more will that total

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fullness, that fulfillment,
their acceptance be that that's

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pointing to really great things,
both quantitatively and

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qualitatively.
Yeah, 'cause we're looking for

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the numbers of Jews, but there's
going to be quality to Jews

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turning and accepting a Jewish
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And even Stephen Brinson tonight
was talking about, I guess he

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knows some folks who are
Messianic Jews and just the

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fullness that, that you see,
'cause I'm sure as Gentiles, we

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missed some stuff.
I, I don't, I, I mean, I know

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about the Feast of Booths, but I
don't know about the Feast of

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Booths, you know what I'm
saying?

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But I'm sure that there are
things that if I lived a more, a

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life that was more connected to
Jewish traditions, then I would

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go, oh, don't you see this in
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And, you know, and I think some
Christians have tried to move in

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that direction, but man, it's
going to be, I think it's going

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to be a big deal when this
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I I like, you know, he was
talking about, you know, bumper

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sticker this thing and you've
got the statement, the Jewish

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acceptance of the gospel and the
Messiah is the culminating piece

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of history that that's a really
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And you know, you'll Romans 11
gets brought up a lot and in

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times talk, it's really
eschatologically charged with a

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lot of implication.
What's going to happen when the

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fullness of time has come, you
know, the second time around?

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Yeah, and we and, and we were
kind of talking a little bit as

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we were setting up like, you
know, how, how do different

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views work this out?
And you know, there, there are

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different views.
But I'm a we've talked, I'm a

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progressive dispensationalist.
So I'm too covenant for the dis

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bees and I'm too dis be for the
covenants 'cause I'm in the kind

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of in the middle.
But I do I I guess this

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statement will puts me squarely
in the dispensational side.

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I do believe in a little literal
millennial reign.

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I do believe in, you know, Jesus
literally reigning as David's

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ancestor, lineage, son, you
know, whatever in the line of

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David and from Jerusalem in.
And he is a Jew, right?

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That's correct.
And the Galatians would say that

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the promises, the covenants are
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And so we see, I think you're
going to see a great revival of

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national Israel.
But again, national Israel, when

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they have that great revival,
become part of spiritual Israel

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where there are a lot of
Gentiles already there, not all

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Gentiles, because there are some
Gentiles who aren't in the

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spiritual Israel.
And so really, I think the

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emphasis is going to be on Jesus
presiding over the church that's

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made-up of this great group of
national Israel and Gentiles,

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one body.
And we're going to go, man, this

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is a marvelous thing that you've
done by breaking down this wall

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division between us.
Yeah, I think that's good.

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I would like to.
I was like we were talking about

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before, I'd like to look more
into, you know, I was saying I

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wish Paul would like just really
write in here like, hey, I'm

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going to talk about the land
promises here and I'm going to

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talk because like, and
everyone's so different in

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their, you know, dispensational
thought or not, where, you know,

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yeah, they'll be nations in new
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So that's important.
I think some you know you, you

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know is, I don't know anyway.
Outside.

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To me it's as simple as does
Jesus literally reign on this

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earth before it becomes a new
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I think the answer is yes.
Does he reign from Jerusalem?

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I think the answer is yes.
So in that sense I.

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Think, oh, I see what you're
saying.

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Yeah, yeah.
Since he is a Jew and he is the

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king of Jews and he's reigning
from that area, then that land

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obviously would accrue to him
and to his Kingdom that he's

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setting up.
It's going to be a worldwide to

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me because you'll.
Be part of that Kingdom even

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though.
Because you.

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Yeah.
Yeah, it's a worldwide Kingdom

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with a capital base in
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So I don't know.
That's how I think of it.

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I like it.
It's great.

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We had a lot of quotes by
different commentators just to

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really drive home, drive home
this point.

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Not everyone's on the same exact
point, but you know, look at

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Doug Moo, John Murray, John
MacArthur, all kind of point to

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this big restoration, this, this
completeness that that is

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coming.
It's something's got to be

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happening in the future, right?
A lot packed in there.

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Not sure what what you want to
read or what you don't want to

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read, Michael?
Yeah, I, I mean he's, you want

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to take one?
I'll take one.

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It's great.
I will start with Douglas Moose,

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he writes.
Therefore, as Israel's trespass

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and rejection triggered the
stage of salvation history in

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which Paul and we are located, a
stage in which God is especially

446
00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:39,960
blessing Gentiles, so Israel's
fullness and acceptance will

447
00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:42,680
trigger the climatic end of
salvation history.

448
00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,640
Paul insists on the vital
continuing significance of

449
00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:49,040
Israel in salvation history
against tendencies among Gentile

450
00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:53,080
Christians to discard Israel
from any further role in the

451
00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:56,600
plan of God.
And my question is too like, I

452
00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:59,400
guess I, I, I would like to read
some more about this.

453
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:04,000
I guess that maybe there are, on
the Reform side, a lot of people

454
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,800
who are like, oh, man, Israel's
got nothing to do in the future.

455
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:08,960
But I just don't know those
people that are like, oh,

456
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:11,360
nothing big's happening with
Israel ever again, or you know

457
00:23:11,360 --> 00:23:14,480
what I'm saying?
I I have known people like.

458
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:16,800
That I mean, people I can think
about like Martin Luther or

459
00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:20,920
these people that like hated
Jews, but I don't know, people

460
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:24,520
who are like, they look, it's
just so hard for me to walk

461
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:28,480
through this and to say that
this is not talking about ethnic

462
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:30,400
Israel 9 through 11.
Is that weird?

463
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:35,240
Yeah, well, what I guess the
people who so the two questions

464
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:39,600
that I just asked and answered,
does Jesus reign on this heaven

465
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:44,280
and on this earth prior to it
being a new heaven and new

466
00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:49,480
earth, like physically, not just
in a spiritual sense, they would

467
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,800
say no.
So so like let's look at this.

468
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,920
Then in verse 26 they would say
all Israel.

469
00:23:56,120 --> 00:23:59,080
That's just everyone who saved
not ethnic Israel.

470
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,280
Even though in the verse before
and the verse after it's talking

471
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:04,120
about ethnic Israel.
This is what's confusing me.

472
00:24:04,120 --> 00:24:06,240
Why would we change the context
in reverse?

473
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,400
Yeah, it doesn't make sense to
me, but I think that they would

474
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:14,000
spiritualize this because they
would go back to like 10-6 where

475
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:15,920
it says not all Israel's,
Israel.

476
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:19,520
And so then I think they would
dice it so that they would say,

477
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:24,960
well, yes, they're going to be
some national Israel, just like

478
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:28,520
there's national German and
national England and national

479
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:32,960
American that are saved and
those people go into spiritual

480
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:38,760
Israel.
And then Jesus comes back, boom,

481
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:41,160
immediately new heaven and new
earth.

482
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:45,000
Like because all that stuff in
Revelation is allegorical for

483
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,240
stuff that either happened
during seven day AD or is

484
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:50,640
currently happening right now.
And so, you know, a non

485
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:55,040
millennialist would say, you
know, boom, there's no rain.

486
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,720
Jesus comes back, judgment, new
heaven, new earth.

487
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:00,000
Now he's reigning forever from
heaven.

488
00:25:00,360 --> 00:25:02,880
And so they would say there's
not really a national Israel

489
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:06,280
anymore because it's just Jesus
says God reigning, I think.

490
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,240
That's how they so this this is
particular, this is particularly

491
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:11,280
talking about the millennial
reign.

492
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,360
Yeah, you'd have to ask, you'd
have to ask someone who's

493
00:25:16,120 --> 00:25:19,720
believes that to to get a
precise answer about that

494
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:21,800
question, 'cause I don't, I
don't hold what I just said.

495
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:23,760
I.
Just outlook 'cause I I guess

496
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:25,560
that would be that should be, I
would guess maybe we could

497
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:29,760
easily find that on like or
something like or something like

498
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:31,240
that.
Yeah, that would be interesting

499
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:33,560
to find because everyone talks
about this being like so

500
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:38,800
pivotal, but to me it just
reads, 'cause I would say I

501
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:42,160
don't love, I don't love the
term dispensational or that kind

502
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:43,520
of thing.
I'm trying to distance myself,

503
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:45,960
but this makes a lot of sense,
even if.

504
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:47,640
Because dispensationalism's
right.

505
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:52,440
Even though I don't see this
like huge chasm between Jews and

506
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,800
Gentiles in God's Kingdom, like
long term, like I feel like I I

507
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:59,160
do feel like I'm part of Israel
and like I'm Abraham in that

508
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,880
lineage, which I think some
dispensational maybe like.

509
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:06,520
'Cause you sang the song father.
Abraham I sang it, so it's gotta

510
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,760
be true and I it's so hard
because maybe old school

511
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,000
dispensationalist thinks
differently, but I've had people

512
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:16,000
explain it to me that it's like
God's the dad and you have like

513
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:19,240
two different kids and like, you
know, there's you give different

514
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:20,760
kids certain different gifts or
whatever.

515
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,800
So Israel gets like these extra
gifts in the new heavens and the

516
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,240
earth that in child.
I don't know, it's like it's

517
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:30,080
interesting correct that you
get, but I think that might be

518
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:33,400
more old school, right, Not you
know, not progressive what I

519
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:35,120
was.
Going to say is I think the

520
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,160
frontline old school
dispensationalists just swaying

521
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:44,360
the pendulum so far over that it
was a little bit, I would say

522
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:46,320
ridiculous.
To.

523
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,760
Me.
I mean, yes, Israel is back in

524
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:54,280
the picture from the long reign
of the Catholic Church that kind

525
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,760
of basically got rid of them.
But this, you know, heavenly

526
00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:01,760
people and the earthly people
and they're divided in eternity

527
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,280
and, you know, and, and and
stuff like that.

528
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:08,760
And, and, you know, the church
and the Israel shall never meet.

529
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,520
Like that's that's to me is, is
craziness.

530
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:15,560
So then as you know, we've like,
OK, well, yeah, we definitely

531
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,320
see a spot for national Israel,
but this doesn't make sense.

532
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:23,880
And that then that pendulum has
gone right where it's perfect to

533
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,280
the progressive
dispensationalist position.

534
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:29,360
I mean it just yeah, yeah,
'cause it kind of gets the

535
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,320
everything right and none of the
things wrong, so.

536
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:34,520
This is good.
Yeah.

537
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:36,400
Maybe maybe you should post that
in the Facebook group.

538
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,360
I'm just curious because the
only thing I can see is that you

539
00:27:39,360 --> 00:27:43,240
look at verse 26 where it says
and in this way all Israel will

540
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,800
be saved.
And you say that that's talking

541
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:49,720
about the church because the
verse before is clearly a

542
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:51,800
partial Harding will come to
Israel until the fullness of

543
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,400
Gentiles clearly not separate,
but then all of a sudden you

544
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,680
change it and I'm like, oh, why
did Paul use that language?

545
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,280
He didn't mean it.
You know, right in the same.

546
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,160
And here's a here's a place
where all definitely has to be

547
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:04,600
limited.
It can't be understand as

548
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:05,800
universal.
Yeah.

549
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:07,960
So there's a lot, lot to parse
through here.

550
00:28:08,120 --> 00:28:09,600
And so you're like, yeah, what's
this?

551
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:11,440
But anyway, sorry for the
rabbit.

552
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,880
No, that's good.
So that was Zach's commentary on

553
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,400
this one.
So we read Douglas Moo, Zach

554
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,160
gave his, I'll read John
Murray's.

555
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:23,040
For if fullness conveys any
idea, it is that of

556
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,400
completeness.
Hence, nothing less than a

557
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,960
restoration of Israel as a
people of faith, privilege, and

558
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,280
blessing can satisfy the terms
of this passage.

559
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:34,200
So he's picking up, I think, on
what you're saying, like we got

560
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:38,640
a contrast between Israel and
Gentiles, and there's going to

561
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,800
be a fullness of Israel.
What does that mean?

562
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:45,280
Well, it means that national
Israel there has to be a return

563
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:49,560
to the gospel.
And then Johnny Mack writes

564
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,960
regarding Israel.
He was Speaking of its rebirth

565
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,840
and the rebirth of the whole
world in the glorified

566
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,840
millennial Kingdom of God.
In that glorious state, even the

567
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:02,560
creation itself will be set free
from its slavery to corruption

568
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:06,280
into the freedom of the glory of
the children of God.

569
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,560
You know, looking at Romans 8,
that that creation being

570
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,160
renewed.
So that's John MacArthur, what

571
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:13,440
he's got got for you?
No.

572
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:18,440
That's good.
And I really appreciated Joel's.

573
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,880
You know, sometimes, you know,
you, you scratch your head and

574
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:23,920
some verses, but this makes
sense.

575
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,960
So verse 16 and let me just read
it for you.

576
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:34,400
It says if the first piece of
dough is holy, the lump is also

577
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:40,160
and sorry if the root is holy,
the branches are too.

578
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:44,520
It's trying to keep my mouth in
the mic and and read at an

579
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:45,960
angle.
Not as easy as it.

580
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:46,960
Looks it's not.
It's not.

581
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:51,240
And then I lost some place, so I
don't really this, you know, if

582
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,160
the first lump is holy, so is
the whole dough.

583
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,440
If the root is holy, so is a
tree.

584
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,680
I mean it makes I don't think we
even need to say anything.

585
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:00,560
It's just really it.
Just makes a lot.

586
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,760
Yeah, I love this.
I love this lump and dough dough

587
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:05,920
analogy.
I love how you yeah, anyway.

588
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:09,920
And but if you look at like
every, not every commentator,

589
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,480
but if you look at this stuff,
they're always like, oh, root

590
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:14,720
clearly patriarchs.
Everyone's talking about the

591
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:16,280
patriarchs.
I'm like, oh cool, like.

592
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:19,440
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So Joel said that Paul's

593
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,360
offering this as a proof, and I
think it makes sense.

594
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,200
Like it's a proof.
Oh, and you could have a plan

595
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,000
words because, you know, you
proof your dough.

596
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,200
But yeah, Baker's proofing the
dough.

597
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:29,440
All right.
That's probably not what he

598
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:33,080
meant though.
But as as a proof like hey, the

599
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:36,960
first piece was good, we can
count on the rest of it being

600
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:38,280
good.
The roots.

601
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:42,240
Are good, yeah.
Yeah, there's a lot of, there's

602
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:46,360
a lot of dough and leaven
analogies and sometimes they go,

603
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:50,600
they cut both ways.
But the idea is that, hey, if

604
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,920
the roots are good and, and to
me it only makes sense in light

605
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:59,600
of the promises of the covenants
God made these promises to Adam

606
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:05,280
and Eve, to Noah, to Abraham, to
David, Those are the ones that

607
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:10,320
would say they're kind of like
unconditional that he's going to

608
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,240
fulfill.
And I guess the new we could add

609
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:16,560
that as an unconditional then?
You know, some people say this

610
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:18,320
is this is a different podcast,
but I'm going to say it so we

611
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:22,040
don't forget in case we want to.
Some people look at Mosaic

612
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:27,960
covenants as maybe bifurcating a
little bit or maybe just so

613
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,280
different from Abrahamic
covenant, some of these on the

614
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:34,440
Baptist Reformed tradition.
And they'll say part of this

615
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,240
covenant, the land, part of the
covenant, why it's not mentioned

616
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:41,280
in the New Testament is that
that that was conditional and

617
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:43,680
they failed that they failed
that that's done.

618
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,400
Yeah.
But the land shows up in the

619
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,240
Abrahamic covenant with no
condition.

620
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:52,480
Well, sorry Sir, it might be.
It might be Abrahamic where

621
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:56,760
there's like 2, I don't know.
There's like 2 and so in

622
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,280
Galatian I don't know.
Anyway, so this is the thing.

623
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:04,720
I've had this discussion before
and there is a place in Genesis

624
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:08,320
where it seems like there are
maybe some conditions added to

625
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,880
the land when he's given to
Abraham, but then there's

626
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,320
another section where those it
doesn't seem like they're those

627
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,200
conditions.
Be like, well, that lamp and and

628
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,760
a lot of people point to us like
the New Testament is just like

629
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,720
silent on the land promises Old
Testaments like it's every other

630
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,400
verse New Testament.
We don't say anything about it.

631
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,680
And then you know, so then it's
like, well, it's because they

632
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:30,840
failed this now it let it
brought for Jesus the new

633
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:32,240
covenants.
But anyway.

634
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,280
So yeah, yeah, another rabbit.
Trail, yeah, yeah.

635
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:39,600
But something you mentioned,
which I think is a good thought,

636
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,760
was maybe the land wasn't on the
New Testament writer's mind

637
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:47,520
because 8070 hadn't happened.
Yeah, they they like Roman.

638
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,920
Roman ruled over them, but they
still had basic, basic control

639
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:56,000
over their land.
And again, if Jesus comes back

640
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,960
and he's a Jew and he rules over
that land, I think that

641
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:00,760
qualifies it so.
Right.

642
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,600
You know, it's one of those
things where, I mean, in my

643
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:07,880
mind, it's like, to me, the
Jewish nation could get wiped

644
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:11,440
out tomorrow.
And then it's like, I, I mean, I

645
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:13,080
and I would still be like, oh,
God's still working.

646
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,160
Maybe there's someone in Canada
that's like, oh, we did the DNA

647
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:15,880
test.
He's Jewish.

648
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,640
And I don't know, it's like, I'm
not like, oh, this nation's

649
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:20,600
here.
And so it's got to happen like

650
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,160
to like, you know, you know.
Yeah, we don't know how it's

651
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,040
going to happen.
But I just know it will happen.

652
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,880
But anyway, it's so it's you can
try to, you know, read, read all

653
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:35,880
the times and all that.
But Barkley has a quote talking

654
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,640
kind of coming off the heels of
this the rudest holy the

655
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:42,920
branches are too, he says.
What Paul deduces from that is

656
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:44,920
this.
The patriarchs were sacred to

657
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:46,760
God.
They had in a special way heard

658
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,680
God's voice and obey God's word
in a special way.

659
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,320
They have been chosen and
consecrated by God from them the

660
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,400
whole nation's brain.
And just as the first

661
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,320
consecrated handful of dough
made the whole lump sacred, and

662
00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:00,240
the dedication of the sapling
made the whole tree sacred, so

663
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,440
the special consecration of its
founders made the nation sacred

664
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,400
in a special way to God.
Basically saying what you were

665
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:07,440
saying.
It's we started this.

666
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,199
God is faithful.
He's got to see all of this

667
00:34:10,199 --> 00:34:11,400
through because that's his
character.

668
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:12,679
And that's that's what's going
to happen.

669
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,280
Yep.
And so, yeah, I agree.

670
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,120
I would probably word it a
little bit different than

671
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:21,639
Barclay words it, but you know.
You know what?

672
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:26,520
I'm saying, you know, all right,
so verses 2829, we're kind of

673
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:30,080
looking ahead at next week's
sermon, I think here, but just

674
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:33,600
kind of kind of wrapping up
Paul, it kind of bring it back

675
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:35,440
in here.
So 28 says from the standpoint

676
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:39,440
of the gospel, they are enemies
for your sake, but from the

677
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:44,000
standpoint of God's choice, they
are beloved for the sake of the

678
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:48,679
fathers, for the gifts and the
calling of God are irrevoctable.

679
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:50,719
So it's talking about Israel
there.

680
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:55,000
Paul seems to be saying there
was gifts given to Israel and

681
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,640
calling given to Israel,
national Israel.

682
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:01,480
Again, it doesn't make sense to
call the spiritual Israel

683
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:06,560
because Paul is, he's
demarcating Gentiles and Israel,

684
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,000
and there are some gentle
Gentiles in spiritual Israel,

685
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:11,960
so.
Yeah, that's a good point.

686
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,920
You back up a couple verses
before that, 20 at 29.

687
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:18,720
Starting in verse 25, I'm
looking at 26 and 27.

688
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,240
Paul writes for I don't want you
brother, to be unformed of this

689
00:35:22,240 --> 00:35:26,120
mystery so that you will not be
wise in your own estimation.

690
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:29,400
He's really guarding against
this this air against your

691
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,480
hardiness.
I mean says that a partial

692
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,560
hardening has happened to Israel
until the fullness of the

693
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:38,040
Gentiles has come in.
And so all Israel will be saved

694
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,680
just as it is written.
The deliverer will come from

695
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:42,000
Zion.
He will remove him.

696
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,080
God on us from Jacob.
This is my covenant with them

697
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:49,880
when I take away their sins.
So kind of getting at at some of

698
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:53,880
the you know, how how should you
act in relight of this is don't

699
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:57,160
be wise in your own estimation
that don't don't do this.

700
00:35:57,920 --> 00:35:59,480
Partial hardening has happened.
Yeah, yeah.

701
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:04,440
And I don't think I have to read
all this, but go read yourself

702
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,880
the Listener, Jeremiah 3131
through 38.

703
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:09,680
You'll see the new Covenant
there.

704
00:36:10,240 --> 00:36:13,880
There's also a place in Ezekiel,
maybe 27, but if it's not 27,

705
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:18,920
it's in and around there that
the new covenant is mentioned.

706
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:22,640
But Paul is quoting from there
in those verses that Zach just

707
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,840
read when it talks about the
days where the new covenant is

708
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:31,480
put in place.
So all of this application,

709
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:35,400
number one, first and foremost,
God keeps His promises.

710
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:39,120
Sometimes we don't understand
how He's going to do that.

711
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:42,520
Yeah, sometimes he does it in a
way that, oh, wow, that was

712
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,920
amazing.
We that's not how we expected it

713
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:47,520
to happen, but we can see how
you're doing it.

714
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:49,640
But we know God is going to keep
his promises.

715
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:53,480
Now that that's good big, big
overarching theme for this

716
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,960
section.
And then, you know, unmistakably

717
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,920
Chapter 11 has its focus on
ethnic Israel.

718
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,920
It's really hard to to get get
around it.

719
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:05,240
So looking forward to next week
talking about this, you know,

720
00:37:05,240 --> 00:37:10,120
analogy of of the tree a little
bit more, maybe we can get get

721
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,520
into it more.
But as simple as that, God keeps

722
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:16,160
His promise focused on Israel.
Man, we're working our way

723
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:17,600
through Romans, Michael, we're
getting there.

724
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:22,520
All right, that is our take.
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725
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:24,720
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726
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