Is Mary the Mother of God?

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Bonus time.
What's, what do you mean,

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Michael, what's going on?
Bonus podcast.

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Mike, where are your heads at?
I just learned about this bonus

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podcast about 30 seconds because
I'm just as excited as you.

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So I asked that like we should
do like a short 5 minute podcast

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on the topic that shows itself
over and over again in this

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Facebook group that I'm in
called Theology Matters.

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Is Mary the mother of God Zach?
That is a loaded question, and

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it's hard to say yes or no
without saying more than that

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'cause you really need to
qualify what you mean.

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Or you can, as you said at the
last podcast, fall into a You

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can fall into at least one
ditch, really.

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Badly.
Yeah.

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So I, I think we both agreed
there's a sense in which we

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could say, yes, she's the son of
the the mother of God.

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But there is also a sense we
could say, no, she's not the

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mother of God.
So we just recorded the podcast

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on theology proper.
We went through a bunch of

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incommunicable attributes of
God, things that he can't share

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with us because, you know, we
can't ever have those.

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Did Mary pass any of those
attributes on to the Son of God?

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Man, that seems like an obvious
answer, but apparently.

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It's not, no.
Yeah.

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So like Jesus, we would say he's
the God man, right?

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And you know this Calcedonian
formula, and it's in the

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Caledonian creed that Mary the
Mother of God.

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But we have to understand that
so clearly somehow the Holy

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Spirit comes upon Mary and takes
I guess I I guess if we took

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adna sample of Jesus, that'd be
very interesting and like

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compared it 23andMe.
I think Mary would show up as

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his mother if we.
Did.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.

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So where did that other DNA come
from?

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I I don't know.
Clearly he got AY chromosome

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from some from some place.
Yeah, and, and I'm, I'm looking

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at this Caledonian creed here
and maybe the answer answers in

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here, 'cause every, this is like
you were saying, this is where

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the problem comes from.
Cause everyone loves the early

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creeds, at least up to a
certain, up to a certain number.

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And then maybe like, yeah,
they're getting a little, a

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little wonky.
But the verbiage here is that

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Jesus was born of the Virgin
Mary, the mother of God.

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But then it says according to
the manhood and that that that

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clarifies a lot to.
Perfect, that's perfect.

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And that's what I that's what I
said in this forum.

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Like, yes, she is the mother of
his humanity and someone's like,

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well, you can't separate his
humanity from his divinity.

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I'm like, and the person they're
not separated like the person

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Jesus Christ, they are not
separated fully God fully man.

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Mary didn't contribute to the
God part.

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Like she only contributed to his
humanity part.

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Yeah, I, I don't understand
what, what the, what the trouble

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is here.
I know some of these Facebook

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groups, I'm into some of these
reformed ones where they really

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like holding on to these creeds,
which I don't think there's

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anything wrong with it.
But they'll they'll kind of rest

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and say they, they always go
back to the Greek Theo tacos.

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I guess they're like that, they
want to qualify, but they're

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like don't, don't be afraid of
saying that.

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Just know if you're talking to
maybe a Catholic person, you

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need to you want to qualify.
What you mean?

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Right.
And I think that's a problem

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because if you just say she's
the mother of God, it sounds

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like, like I'm, you know,
Michael is the mother of Laura.

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I mean, pardon me, Laura is the
mother of Michael.

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Hey.
Laura is the mother of Michael

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and I derive, you know, a lot of
my characteristics from my mom,

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but I also have a father and I
derive some characteristics from

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him because they're both human.
We don't get all a bound up

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like, well, you know, Laura is
the mother of these parts of

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Michael and Charles is the
father of these parts of

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Michael.
But Jesus is a unique being like

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no other being is.
Fully God, fully man.

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So I think it deserves some care
on our part when we like talk

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about who Mary is.
Cause there would be.

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See if you agree with this,
there'd be nothing wrong with

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you saying, and this would all
be speculation, but there's a

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world where there are some
physical characteristics where

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Jesus could favor Mary humanly,
right.

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That's OK And that's what and
that's what we're pushing it

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towards the to the humanity
aspect.

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It's not like some of that
immutability.

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I saw that, Mary.
It's.

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Like, no, yeah, yeah.
So yeah, I would think that

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maybe there are maybe even
personality traits that yeah,

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that he would have shared with
with Mary.

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Like what?
What sense does it make to say

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that he is a descendant of David
if he doesn't have some type of

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genetic lineage back to David
and to Abraham and and

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eventually to Adam if you're
tracing it in Luke?

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Yeah.
So to go back to this question,

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can you clarify 'cause I think I
missed it, I know you just said

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it.
They would be saying that.

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Oh man, some of Jesus, you know,
fill in the blank XY or Z came

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from Mary.
Like like literally like what

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kind of proper?
What kind of attributes?

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Yeah, I would say, you know,
clearly all of his humanity and

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some like you can't even say all
of his humanity because he got

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AY chromosome from some way.
So the Holy Spirit somehow

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miraculously, you know, I assume
took an egg of Mary.

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We we're not told we're this is
this is speculation.

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Took an egg of Mary and
fertilized it somehow in a

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miraculous way.
And that physical being is God

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man.
And the man part had to develop

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and grow.
The man part had to learn how to

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tie his shoes.
The man part had to learn how to

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spell his name.
And yet the God part of him is

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eternal God.
And so Mary, you know, clearly

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gave birth to this person.
This person is the God man.

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She mothered Jesus and I'm 100%
like I'm bored.

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Mary is the mother of Jesus.
I don't think you have.

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Qualified that at all better a a
a more clear way probably to say

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it.
I think, I think that's good.

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And it's, you know, there's no,
yeah, no problem physically,

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some of the trades, there's
probably certain habits and

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customs and stuff.
It's like those, those, all

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those all happen in families and
stuff.

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But you do run some dicey
territory because if you say

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that, then you have to say
something else about Mary.

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And I think that makes a lot of
sense when you when you think

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about, you know, the Catholic
thought process, it's where they

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kind of have to go.
Right.

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Yeah.
Well, you know, they, they, they

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have a bunch of other stuff
that, you know, that she was

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perpetually a virgin, she was
sinless.

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And that's, you know, that's not
supported scripturally so.

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And yeah, yeah, not, not at all.
Well, that, that what a what a

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delight.
A bonus episode.

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Bonus.
Wow man.

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You weren't even expecting this.
You woke up the day I don't even

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know I wasn't.
Expecting this.

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I don't even know when this will
drop, but you weren't expecting

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it 'cause it won't be a Tuesday
or Thursday.

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Oh, oh, I like that.
Just Randra.

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Maybe we'll do a couple more of
these.

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I I like this, Yeah.
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