Pneumatology Part 1 | Who is the Holy Spirit?

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Well, last podcast we talked
about what a disaster I think

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the disaster is.
My boom stand is is breaking.

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Well, well, I went I I don't
want to like Colin went out, but

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about twice a podcast Michael
will smack a boom stand.

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Actually, it's been better.
There was there was a time I

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like hit it every time.
So I tried to you just heard me

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clearing my throat.
We were talking about what a

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disaster.
Berkeley County is pollen.

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It must be crazy high.
So I'm it's bad.

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I was sniffing some in the last
podcast that you would have

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heard on Tuesday if you're
keeping up and I I probably will

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sniff a couple times this
podcast.

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I was I was victorious and
holding off a sneeze one time.

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You're more than conqueror.
I was more than conqueror.

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That's right, man.
And all those things.

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I, I, I, I've been having a hard
time, like sleeping at night.

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I think I'm like the pollen and
stuff.

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I'm a little cranky.
Michael's like evaluating my

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wardrobe.
I'm just going to, I want to, I

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want to throw float this out to
all the listeners out there.

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Is Navy blue that much different
than black?

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Basically the same, Michael.
They're completely different

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colors.
Well, so I'm the one that has to

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produce this and remove this
green screen.

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And there there was one.
You can go back and find it

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where the green screen's here
because he's wearing a blue

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shirt.
But not Navy.

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But for some reason, the blue
and the green is enough because,

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you know, this green screen,
maybe I should take green skin

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off a little bit.
It's not perfectly flat.

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So with these little shadows, I
have to kind of increase the

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tolerance of the, the video
editing so it can get all of it

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away.
And so sometimes, you know, our

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boom stands will slightly
disappear because it's trying to

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remove that.
My headphones good enough for

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you too, Michael the.
Headphones are good.

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Yeah, Yeah.
But I will say, I will say to

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your credit, you know, I was in
the Navy.

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I was in the Navy and you know,
there were things that we would

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call Navy blue that were just
straight up black.

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Like, no, that's Navy blue.
Like it's literally black.

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And they would call it Navy
blue.

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So you're like, you need to put
on your Navy Blues.

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Now, I was an officer, so I
didn't have that particular

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uniform, but yeah, the, the list
of guys did.

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And they they their dress Blues
were black.

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This is.
Yeah.

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Relativism creeping into the
military, huh?

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I'm just kidding.
Well, I I think I'm just

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kidding.
You have to delay which.

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Somewhere drifts over time and
it becomes tradition type of

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thing.
Well, I'll tell you on a

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positive note to get away from
all this pollen and Navy blue

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talk.
And me sniffing again.

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And the sniffling I I got a text
not too long ago I want to give

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a shout out.
While we were in the middle of

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the of the recording, the last
one, right?

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Yeah, great, Great time.
I checked my phone right right

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there and the the Texas dude.
I've been listening to y'all's

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podcast.
Big fan from none other than my

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guy Adam Angus.
We go way back.

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Sounds like he knows beef to me.
Adam Angus, that's good.

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He that, yeah, he from Memphis.
Haven't talked to him in a

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little bit but always, always a
good time.

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Does he cheer for the Memphis
Tigers or the ASU Indian slash

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Red Wolves?
I should I should ask him.

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I'm trying to think who his.
For some reason he's like a

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Texas Longhorns fan or
something.

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I'm Angus.
It goes with the IT goes with

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the I.
I might be totally butchering

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this, Adam.
You'll have to text me.

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I'm like blanking on your
college.

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Football.
You could literally text him

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right now.
I can text him right now.

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While he's texting you, you do
the texting 'cause we need to

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know.
Viewers want to know how a a

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Memphonian?
Is that what y'all wear?

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What's what is it?
I don't even know Memphian.

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Memphian became a Longhorns or
you know, probably, probably

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raise it back.
LSU Tigers.

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You could have really anything
in there.

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Yeah, we'll see.
We'll see what he says it.

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I think his dad is a Bama fan,
so we'll see.

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Yeah, I'm talking.
I'm talking to you, Lee Angus.

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I want to, I want to say that's
because there's always like,

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trash talking to everyone.
But you know, you know, you know

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how those Bama fans are.
Oh, I mean just the worst.

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I mean the worst.
Absolute worst.

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So while you're looking up that,
you know, just revisit this

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banter's all over the place.
It's just, it's just us thinking

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out loud.
You asked about chess club

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interviews.
Oh yeah, on the last.

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You need to interview for chess
club.

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Yeah, 'cause last so.
What do you wear to a chess club

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interview?
I I I have so many questions.

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Wear a school uniform.
That's what you do.

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Yeah, 'cause 'cause our school
has uniforms.

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But last year, a talented group
of 5th graders, I don't want to

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take anything away from them,
but very rambunctious.

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And it was just a a pool of
guys.

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And it's like, I think even if I
had done interviews with them

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last year and kind of had been
able to set the tone instead of

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just been saying these are the
guys who are, you know, it was

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guys and some gals who are going
to be in chess club like, 'cause

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if you feel like, man, there's
something on the line, yeah,

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that makes it.
But regardless, they, they were

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20 people who were interested.
And I just can't take 20 man.

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Cuts to the tournament.
Yeah, the, there's a tournament.

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The bus only seats 14 + a
chaperone.

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We end up taking two buses cause
it's lower school and middle

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school.
One day, sorry, I'm gonna have

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to cough here in a second, clear
my throat.

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But so they played and I was
evaluating, you know, I played

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against them.
Headley beat all of them.

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I just, that's right.
I mean.

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Hopefully.
I mean, if I'm.

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Getting beat by a lower school
guy should be Hopefully it's,

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you know, someone that's like
studied with Magnus.

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This is probably more than what
you want to know.

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No, I, I.
More than what?

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Than what the listers I want.
I have so many questions.

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Is there like an equipment
manager for like the chess team?

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Like, you know, like take stats
and like you know.

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Yeah.
So you know, very simply I would

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say I, I would always, I would
purposely like leave the board

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kind of just right.
Hey can you help me set up the

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board?
So knowing how the pieces are

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set up doesn't make you a good
player but but not knowing how

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the piece is set up means you've
not played a lot that.

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Knight bishops.
Tricky King.

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Queen is, yeah, the, the church
is next to the power.

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That's all I tell them.
Yeah, the bishops right next to

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the power of the king and queen
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And the Queens, you know, ladies
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Queens always go on their own
color, so.

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Yeah, I like.
I'll give them those hints and

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stuff, but then I, you know, I,
I, I love to watch them and

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like, 'cause you know, a player
who's played, you know, I, I

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don't know what I am 11112
hundred 1300 somewhere around

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there on the fee day.
But you know, the better you

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get, you can kind of see in
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And I love like making a move
and then seeing their like,

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because some people don't know
and then then they're going,

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some of them with their eyes get
big and they're like, and those

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are people like, OK, they could
have probably, you know, a

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better player would have seen
this coming, but now they

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recognized it and now they're
problem solving to get out of

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it.
And then, then I'm taking notes

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on that person and, and, you
know, putting them up to the

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top, 'cause that's what I'm
looking for.

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Like how do they respond?
You know, I forked one person

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and they were like, I don't
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And I put one person in
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And it took them a while and
they were just studying it,

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studying it, studying it.
And he's like, I don't think my

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king can move anywhere.
I'm like, you can't, you can't.

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You're checking, but you know,
it's good that like I'm

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evaluating, you know how
thoughtful and and really

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behavior because you know they
there.

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Was chess club kids?
You're right, they're always out

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of control.
Well, they're.

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Just.
So it's good and we had our

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first official chess club today
and it was good.

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I set the tone early, got them
to be quiet.

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Man.
We went over openings 'cause you

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know, this is way more than
people want to know.

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But I will say one more thing,
then I'll then I'll shut up.

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I'm trying to give you time to
get this text back from your

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friend, but I know I don't know
what it is about this age group.

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They always want to open up with
their A and their H.

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Those are your side pawns.
Open those up, get your rooks

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out immediately and then try to
start doing stuff with your

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rooks.
I'm like, no, don't do that.

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And I would always do the London
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So my white Bishop is just lined
up on what would it be like A

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6A6 or A5?
I'd have to look at the board.

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I'm not Magnus or Hikaru but and
they would bring like 3

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different players.
My Bishop just sniped their Rook

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away.
I'm like you're gonna, you're

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not gonna like this.
Boom.

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Boom and never gonna learn.
I like it.

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Well, you really stalled a lot
and Adam has not gotten back.

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To me.
So sorry to disappoint everyone

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out there.
No, everyone's like, what's his

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favorite football team?
Maybe, maybe yeah, we'll we'll

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mention briefly next podcast or
something just for those trying

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to bridge the gap.
But this morning or evening or

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afternoon, I don't know, when
you're listening to this

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podcast, you're gonna hear a
little bit about the Holy

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Spirit.
And man, I'm coaching K through

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12 soccer and talk about
rambunctious.

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We had a great first practice
today, not as good, a little bit

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out there.
So we need a I'm trying to

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connect it somehow, Holy Spirit.
You need the Holy Spirit come in

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and sanctify those kids some.
Sanctification.

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I like it.
So join us as we take it to the

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next level from the hearts of
the Low Country in South

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Carolina.
It's the Take Two podcast where

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we take theology to the next
level.

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Well, Michael, if you are
following along, I'm sure you

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are.
We're going through this

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foundations class at our church,
hitting these pivotal essential

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topics, things like bibliology
and theology proper and

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Christology and anthropology,
and we find ourself at

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pneumatology and all these
fancy.

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Words.
It's about your lungs.

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It's the study of the lungs,
right?

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You would, you could think you
could make that.

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That's a good, good connection.
You're.

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You're getting good word play
there.

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Yeah.
Yeah.

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Now that that's good.
But I mean, you really, I think

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Pastor Joel said that too.
Like, you know, it could be the

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study of wind or breath or or
whatever this context we're

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thinking the study of the Holy
Spirits.

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When I, when I, when you think
about the etymology, there is in

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Scripture some intentional word
play going on with the Holy.

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You see your Holy Spirit
associated with wind from time

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to time.
Yeah, and one of those is

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Nicodemus.
Jack would preach on Nicodemus

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and it was always Nick at night.
I don't know if you've.

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So what a great title.
But you know he's asking Jesus

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questions.
You like that?

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I.
Forgot but I've I've heard.

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This before, Yeah, he's asking
Jesus these questions and he's

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like, you're ruler of Israel and
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about the spirit and the, you

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know, the wind blows and you
don't know where where it is,

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but you see the effects of it.
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that word play.
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there's this mighty rushing wind
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etymology, like, you know,
where, where, where is it?

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Where do we get this word from?
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heels of theology proper and
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think of the Trinity.
I don't think it's a common

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misconception, but I think
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Spirit for a force or an
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rather than a person.
Yeah, and he is a a.

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He is God equal codivine with
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All the things that are about
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that are true of the Father and
the Son are true of the Spirit.

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It's really the relationships
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like their roles, like what,
what they've chosen to do in, in

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all that they're doing.
So they they take on different

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roles and they have different
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But as far as the nature of the
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That that is good.
Pastor Joel mentioned the

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Athanasian Creed.
You did.

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You did it as well.
And yours, right?

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So something that is important,

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you know, be familiar with Reed.
That kind of helps give us some

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guardrails to stay within.
And I read a lot of it during

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when I was on theology proper.
Why would I have read it for

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theology proper?
What was I reading it for?

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I'm just trying to think back.
I, I don't know if you were, I

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feel like all of y'all kind of
talked about the Trinity in some

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aspects.
Oh yes, yes, because we did talk

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about the Trinity at the end of
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in his proper, because I wasn't
necessarily talking about the

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Father, although we, you know.
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Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, but we and read it and

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it's like, how many ways can
they say the same thing a

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different way?
But they really want to draw a

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tight box around this so that
there can be no confusion on the

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Father, Son, the Holy Spirit,
their Trinity, three in one, one

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being 3 persons.
Go go read it.

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I you know, you can look at
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That's right.
It it does draw that box where

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you know, if you're inbounds out
of bounds, you can you can

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figure figure that.
And I'll say one more thing.

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I don't think Pastor Joel
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it's a good study to just, you
know, write outlook up all the

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ways Holy spirits mentioned that
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with his actions.
He can be grieved.

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He loves, he speaks, he gives,
you know, he's a counselor and a

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comforter and a helper and these
things you would, you know,

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attribute to a a person and the
reason going back to the Trinity

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specifically, you know, you
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pretty clearly curly, but but
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Wrong.
There are people who get it

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wrong, you know, Mormons get it
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I talked to a guy I graduated
with and they would say that the

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spirit, you know, all, all of us
were spirit children of Father

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God and some of those were
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And Jesus was a spirit child who
got a body and then came back

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and, you know, did perfectly did
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And the Spirit is also God
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But in their theology, in order
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that next level, you have to go
through the process of getting a

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body and coming back.
And I asked him, the Spirit

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never got a body right?
And he said, no, I'm like, how

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does that line up with this
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And I gave him the passage of
the doctrine that in order to

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really be the best, you have to
like, how could that?

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How could that person be God?
And you know it, They really

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are.
Try try theists.

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Yeah, when it when it comes
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Or more.
Or more 'cause everyone, I mean,

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like eventually that's the goal,
right?

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Like become, become a God.
So that that's why this kind of

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thing is important.
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creeds, confessions, these
things, not the end all be all,

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but they do give us a good box
to check yourself that way.

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So, and I'm not saying they
can't be wrong, you know, but I

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think they've been tried and
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It's a good place at least to
compare your note till you're

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close.
Are we saying something totally

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different than you?
Might want to do some further

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reflection in scripture.
Yeah, and, and Scripture does

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give support for the the Spirit
being a person and, and the

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Spirit being different than the
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place.
You'd run into it.

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You know, in the beginning, God
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The earth was wooden, without
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Dark was on the face of the
deep, and the spirit of was on

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of God was on the face of the
water.

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Yeah, you don't have to.
You don't have to read very long

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before you like Holy Spirit's a
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It's like, well no, just open
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Right.
Yeah, yeah, Open to the very

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beginning.
The spirits moved there.

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You know, I think Genesis 127
let us make man in our own

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image.
You know, if you're following

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Hyzer exactly, he's going to say
that's the Elohim, the the

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Divine Council.
But there's a lot of people who

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say, no, that's the Trinity.
Yeah, I don't have to.

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I don't know the way I had to
weigh in on that or.

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Or yeah, I don't.
Yeah, that verse doesn't make a

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brick.
Like my whole theology's like

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change because we see the spirit
active all over the place in the

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Old Testament.
I mean, you know, maybe.

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It's not super expensive, but
it's like he's, you know,

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slaying those people, comes on
Saul, leaves Saul, comes on

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These these skilled people in
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don't know their they got, they
got, I should have looked up

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their names, but it's like man,
spirits not just coming on, you

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know, King David, but some of
these these builders, you know,

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you.
Wouldn't have been able to

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pronounce those builders names
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It's fair, fair points.
And then what what's

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interesting, I think this is
subject to a little debate as

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well.
In what capacity?

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But we look at the New Testament
and the Holy Spirit's much more

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explicit, much, much more
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And we see, you know, every
believer much more explicitly

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receives the Holy Spirit versus
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You see, like comes, goes or
it's on this person, meaning it

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wasn't at some point.
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probably David was the closest
example of what a New Testament

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believer might, what we might
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I wonder if his experience was
different than our experience of

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the believer.
We we just don't have those

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types of details.
But I mean this part of the new

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covenant, I mean that that the
Holy Spirit is given in a new

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way, you know, in the upper
upper room discourse, you know,

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he says, you know, I got to go
away so the helper can come to

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you and.
That's a good thing too, right?

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Like it's like I'm going away.
But this is good 'cause you will

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get get the Holy Spirit.
Pastor Jill, he took some time

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to develop this passage in
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that talks about what you're
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Covenant, if you want to lay it
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Yeah, so it might chapter 3 and
2nd Corinthians, not too long,

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but it's probably too long for
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But you should go read it.
But I'll read 7 through 11, then

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I'll end with 18.
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But if the ministry of death and
letters engraved on stones is

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talking about the the old
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that the sons of Israel could
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Moses because of the glory of
his face fading as it was, how

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will the ministry of the Spirit
fell to be even more with glory?

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For if the ministry of
condemnation has glory, much

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more does the ministry of
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For indeed, what had glory in
this case has no glory because

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of the glory that surpasses it.
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the glory, much more that which
remains is in glory.

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And he goes on talking about our
hope, you know, you know,

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talking about the Old Testament
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veil being torn in two.
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but we all with unveiled face,
beholding as in a mirror the

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glory of the Lord are being
transformed into the same image

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from glory to glory, just as
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So it ends with his emphasis on
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Yeah, that that is so good.
And it what I think is

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noteworthy about the passage is
that old covenant had some

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glory.
Like like it's not you just

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don't push it.
And I think we've been seeing

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that in Romans as well and the
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We'll see the same kind of idea
in Ezekiel 36, the little

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heading and the ESP for this
whole section, which just like

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Second Corinthians 3, can't read
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It it's a lot.
You should read the whole thing.

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It's titled I will put my Spirit
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And starting in verse 25,
Ezekiel writes, I will sprinkle

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clean water on you and you shall
be clean from all your

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uncleanness and from all your
idols.

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I will cleanse you and I will
give you a new hearts and a new

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spirit I will put within you.
And I will remove the heart of

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stone from your flesh and give
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And I will put my spirit within
you and cause you to walk in my

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statutes and be careful to obey
my rules.

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So we see the spirit that that
that's one of distinguishing

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features of the new covenant,
that you'll have this new heart.

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Yeah.
And and so all throughout the

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covenants, you see this kind of
future looking forward to the

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new covenant, you know, talks
about, you know, Abraham, I'm

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going to make a great nation
through you.

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All the nations through you're
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Talks about David, you're going
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throne forever.
He's going to reign forever in

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peace.
And then, you know, we see

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Jeremiah 3131, you know, talking
about this new covenant, Ezekiel

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36 talking about this new
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Isaiah talks about, you know,
there's going to be a prophet

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who's going to come and he's
going to like make make straight

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the path for the Messiah.
And he's going to like bring up

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the lowlands, bring down the
Highlands.

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Great song.
And Handel's Messiah should go

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listen to it.
Get ready for for Christmas.

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But John the Baptist is that guy
who's really starting to usher

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in that transition.
And it's kind of a already not

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yet.
And we're kind of still in some

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sense, and it's already not yet.
But John the Baptist is that

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prophet that Isaiah talked about
coming on the scene, going to

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start proclaiming the Kingdom of
God is at hand.

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And then, of course, you know,
Jesus, come, God the Son comes

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on the scene and he's going to,
you know, live his life, build a

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ministry, fulfill the law, dies
of sacrifice.

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And as he's dying, we do it all,
all the, all the time We do the

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Lord's Supper.
He's like, you know, says this

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is my bread, it's broken for
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Take and eat it.
Then he says, this is no, the

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cup, this is my blood poured out
for you, a sign of the new

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covenant.
And so he's really

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instantiating, Oh, I'm, I'm
ushering in the new covenant

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that these other prophets have
talked about.

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Wow.
And you know, if we keep going

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along in this story we read in
the New Testament, we get

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Pentecost, Acts chapter 2 and we
see the Spirit poured out in a

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pretty remarkable way.
We'll probably talk about a

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little later a lot of debate
about, hey, is this prescriptive

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00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:12,000
for every Christian or this just
descriptive?

448
00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:15,080
Or is it maybe maybe not
necessary.

449
00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:17,480
A lot of a lot of good questions
surrounded.

450
00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:21,040
Fire on your head.
Am I am IA real Christian?

451
00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:23,600
Yeah.
And what is mighty rushing?

452
00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:27,360
When is the the fire and and the
speaking in tongues that just

453
00:22:27,360 --> 00:22:33,080
works in a substantial just
amaze amazing way Happens in

454
00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:37,160
Acts 2 and Joe kind of zooms out
and in light of all these great

455
00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:40,240
passages, we really take it for
granted this new covenant's like

456
00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:43,680
do we really understand the
magnificence and marvelousness

457
00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:46,240
of what we've got?
Yeah, 'cause I I don't know that

458
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:51,520
your Old Testament believer had
the help to be sanctified in the

459
00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:54,760
same way that we do.
So it's hard to imagine what

460
00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:58,280
that looked like it but we know
it's different and grander and

461
00:22:58,360 --> 00:23:00,720
but this is all we know.
So it's hard to like compare the

462
00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:02,720
two.
I I wonder if there was an Old

463
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:07,280
Testament believer around the
time of Pentecost who would be

464
00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:11,200
like, oh, this is how it was and
now this is what it was like and

465
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:12,960
difference.
We need to interview that guy.

466
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:13,960
Or, Oh yeah, we'll get him on
the pod.

467
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:17,760
That'd be great.
But we take it for granted.

468
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:19,160
You know who doesn't take it for
granted?

469
00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:21,520
Pentecostals.
They are leaning.

470
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:24,680
They're taking a lot of they,
they weren't taking that for

471
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:26,760
granted, but they're taking a
lot and claiming it.

472
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:28,200
Yeah, yeah.
They are.

473
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:29,240
They are.
Yeah.

474
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:33,040
So I think, I think we would
disagree slightly with some of

475
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:37,080
their theological stances.
You know, no disrespect, Bradley

476
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,880
and Brandon, hopefully y'all are
still tuning in.

477
00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:44,760
But it's central to to their way
of thinking about church.

478
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:49,520
They want the Spirit to be there
with them and and they want to

479
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:54,680
live in the Spirit and have the
spirit manifest in in, in good

480
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,160
works and perhaps miraculous
things.

481
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:01,560
Joel threw out a bunch of stats.
I'm going to butcher the history

482
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:05,080
so I won't won't get into it.
But his point was Pentecostals

483
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:08,720
it it's relatively new, kind of
started the turn of the after

484
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:12,400
the 1900s, nineteen 01 started
gaining some steam.

485
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,400
And, and really, if you look
across across the world, it's

486
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:19,080
just growing rapidly, you know,
in places like Africa and, you

487
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:23,880
know, South America and you
really see this movement growing

488
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:27,480
in a, in a real remarkable way
where it resonates with people

489
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:30,080
and, and some level, and maybe
some of that's tied up to some

490
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:33,360
of the prosperity stuff a little
bit, maybe probably a lot of

491
00:24:33,360 --> 00:24:36,640
it's not it's, it's, it's really
a broad term, especially

492
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:40,280
charismatic is much more broad
than Pentecostal, where I don't

493
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,240
really know what it means if
Benny Hinn and John Piper are

494
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:44,280
the same.
I don't know that means

495
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:45,880
everyone.
So I understand why these.

496
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,720
Numbers can be so large.
Yeah, there's a lot of people.

497
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:52,080
I mean, in some sense that we,
you know, we would say, I don't,

498
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:54,080
it'd be hard to classify us as
charismatic.

499
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:57,880
But we are not closed to the
possibility that someone could

500
00:24:57,880 --> 00:24:59,960
speak in tongues.
We're not close the possibility

501
00:24:59,960 --> 00:25:01,600
that God could use someone to
heal.

502
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:04,640
So someone may say, oh, you 2,
you're charismatic.

503
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:06,640
No, I yeah, that's your
definition, I think.

504
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,560
I think MacArthur's by himself
over there in California.

505
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:11,520
I'm just kidding.
There's a lot with him, but

506
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:13,960
that, I mean, never really that
actually makes sense with some

507
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,000
of these stats that I'm seeing
like if that, if that's the

508
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:20,160
you're open to this possibility.
So let's talk a little more

509
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:25,000
about Acts 2.
This gift of the Holy Spirit may

510
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,360
be tied in with it.
Talk about baptism in the

511
00:25:27,360 --> 00:25:29,120
Spirit.
What's this mean?

512
00:25:29,120 --> 00:25:30,640
We hear it a lot.
It is.

513
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,320
Is it associated with I feel
like I'm in the Spirit?

514
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,520
Is it manifested by I speak in
tongues?

515
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:37,040
So I've had the baptism in the
Spirit.

516
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:39,480
Is it a term that applies to all
believers?

517
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:43,080
I think there's a lot of
confusion around that term

518
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:48,640
specifically and what it means.
Yeah, and we, we did a whole

519
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:52,360
podcast on baptism.
So go back and listen 'cause we,

520
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:54,800
we'll, we'll hit some of this.
And I was just thinking, should

521
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,520
I try to pull up some of those
notes 'cause I kind of detailed

522
00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:58,800
a lot of them.
But, you know, I don't have

523
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:00,560
instant recall, especially on
today while I'm fighting

524
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:05,960
allergies.
But yeah, so we we do see these

525
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:07,920
ideas of being baptized in the
Spirit.

526
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,640
There's, you know, we talked
about being baptized and being

527
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:13,560
immersed in and changed by.
Pickling.

528
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:15,920
Pickling Dying.
Dying.

529
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,000
Dying cloth.
So hopefully, you know,

530
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:21,080
hopefully we're all being
baptized in spirit.

531
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,680
I want to be changed by the
Spirit.

532
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:27,280
I want to be changed by Christ,
you know, And so, yeah.

533
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,160
So I don't know if you wanted to
go through some of the the

534
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:30,800
different examples that that he
gave.

535
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,920
Yeah, so and what's interesting
about this term, 'cause I think

536
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:39,000
it's thrown around a lot, It's
not like it's on every page of

537
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:40,480
Scripture.
It's like it's never mentioned.

538
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:44,600
But this phrase, baptism in the
Spirit or a close rendering of

539
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,680
that phrase, it's really only
mentioned 7 times in all of the

540
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,200
New Testament.
So small sample size, you

541
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,480
probably need to be a little bit
careful.

542
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:55,600
And I think the question is if
you're talking to, you know,

543
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,560
someone that's full-fledged
Pentecostal. 2nd Baptism.

544
00:26:59,360 --> 00:27:00,880
Yeah, yeah.
They would basically say, yeah,

545
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:04,080
this is like a special class of
Christian that you got, you

546
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,240
know, your average Christian
then like you're super out of,

547
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,440
they would say it that way, but
you're super Christian.

548
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,640
They're speaking in tongues.
They're they're in the spirit in

549
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,040
a different way than someone who
is saved is.

550
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:15,880
There's this delineation in some
capacity.

551
00:27:16,120 --> 00:27:18,640
Yep, Yep.
And this is what I had

552
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:22,280
referenced.
You know, the Pastor Stelling I

553
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:25,720
never met the met the man, but
Jack did and what and said that

554
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,040
pastor stunning related to him
when he was young.

555
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:32,880
He was, you know, with, you
know, he was getting kind of

556
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,040
hyped up when all this was
hitting the scenes when your

557
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:38,400
Pentecostalism was and he's
like, I went to my apartment and

558
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,520
like prayed and fasted for three
days for baptism spirit.

559
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,920
And then he said I experienced
something that was not the

560
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,400
spirit of the Holy Spirit and
not and he's like, I was trying

561
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,160
to open myself up and and he's
like, so I never went that way

562
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:51,680
again.
Again, anecdotal.

563
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:53,160
Yep.
We wouldn't want to base

564
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,120
anything off that.
But I know that there have been

565
00:27:55,120 --> 00:28:00,560
good people who have had, you
know, made bad experiences with

566
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:04,280
this.
No, that that that's a good word

567
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,360
of caution.
And so if you're kind of going

568
00:28:06,360 --> 00:28:09,000
through these areas where in
Scripture where the baptism

569
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:11,880
spirit have mentioned it's
affiliated associated with John

570
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:15,200
the Baptist four times also we
have 4 gospels.

571
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,520
So so so maybe.
It's one event that's getting

572
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:22,320
recorded four times.
One times mentioned in reference

573
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:26,520
to Christ, which is also kind of
closely such which on the

574
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:28,840
Baptist deal.
So so some of these things are

575
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:33,480
are you know it it kind of even
reduces in in some way mentioned

576
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,320
by Peter once and one one in
Paul and this is where Joel

577
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,320
spends some time.
I think I think it's a good

578
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:43,120
place to at least read and this
is First Corinthians chapter 12,

579
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,800
this famous passage about gifts.
And we're going to 0 when

580
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,640
Michael will read for us verses
12 and 13.

581
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:55,120
Yeah, it says, For even as the
body is 1 and yet has many

582
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:59,080
members, and all the members of
the body, though they are many,

583
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:04,640
are one body, so also is Christ.
For by 1 Spirit, we were

584
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:11,680
baptized into one body, whether
Jews or Greeks, whether slaves

585
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:15,960
or free, and we were all made to
drink of 1 spirit.

586
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:20,280
So really this idea that through
the Spirit we were baptized, we

587
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:24,920
were immersed, we were grafted
into this body of Christ that

588
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:29,800
Paul talks about many members,
different gifts 1 spirit over

589
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:31,600
and over again.
You know, you're here talk, talk

590
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:35,080
about the bride of Christ, the
body of Christ, the church, his

591
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:39,400
body.
So it seems, at least Paul's

592
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,880
emphasis here is that we through
the Spirit, through

593
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:46,960
regeneration, we are pushed into
the body of Christ.

594
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:53,640
Yeah, we're all baptized into
one body by the Spirit, which I

595
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,360
don't know, I I haven't looked
at what they would say about

596
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:58,640
this passage, but I'm sure they
wouldn't say only like the Super

597
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:00,480
Christians are part of the body
of Christ too.

598
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,080
So there's, there's something
they they need but that.

599
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,120
But I think that's a real thing
they should wrestle with a

600
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:09,760
little bit because I think, I
think it's it's pretty clear

601
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:13,040
that the the spirits involved in
regeneration in this way that we

602
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:16,320
would say is the baptism of the
spirits.

603
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,640
That brings us to John Johnny
Mack.

604
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:22,640
Johnny Mack.
Strange Fire.

605
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:27,240
Not, not a fan of the old
charismatic label, right, right.

606
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:29,480
And, and and I think he's coming
from a, from a good place where

607
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,520
he's really looking at the
abuses.

608
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:34,960
And I don't think, I think he
would say, hey, Wayne Grudem,

609
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:36,960
hey, John Piper, I think you're
wrong.

610
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:38,920
But I think he would recognize.
I don't think.

611
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:42,440
There's a difference between
them and the you know, the name

612
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:47,280
it claim it, televangelists who
are abusing this type of stuff.

613
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,320
That that's such a good point
'cause it's so it's so easy and

614
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,880
sometimes I sinfully enjoy
ostracizing MacArthur a little

615
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,120
bit because he's like one of the
few guys that's more strict than

616
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,600
me on stuff.
So but but I actually love

617
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,360
MacArthur and it's like, man, if
I need to look up something in

618
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,320
Scripture, it's like, man, I
want to read one of his

619
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:08,080
commentaries just because he
exegetes the word so well, even

620
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:09,560
if I don't agree with him on
everything.

621
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,680
He takes scripture seriously.
And so he's really guarding

622
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,400
against totally one side.
Like you mentioned the book

623
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:17,800
Strange fire had a conference
strength.

624
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:21,440
Strange fire where he he he also
has some conviction with how he

625
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:25,160
speaks and he's like all
charismatics are terrible, but

626
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:28,400
you know, different, different
spectrums and that charismatic

627
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:33,720
term, I think is so is so loose
it to me it's not really helpful

628
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:38,720
because it's so broad.
If, if you and I get counted in

629
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:43,320
as a charismatic, probably it's
not I, I mean, I don't know if I

630
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:45,120
don't know who's counting or how
they're defining it.

631
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,000
But yeah, it is a it could be a
broad swap.

632
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:50,760
All, all of these labels are
hard, like even evangelical.

633
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:52,600
I don't know what that means.
I mean, I know what it means,

634
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,720
but it's like, what's that mean?
Fundamentalist, who knows what

635
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:56,280
that means?
That's why.

636
00:31:56,280 --> 00:32:01,520
Everyone needs a creed.
That's what so that that that

637
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,800
really is where where we spent
most of the time this morning in

638
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,240
this first lesson on the Holy
Spirit.

639
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,640
I think, you know, as we've been
in Roman, it's good to ask

640
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:11,720
yourself, you know, what's it
mean to walk in the Spirit?

641
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,760
How you know how we demonstrate
the fruit, fruit of the Spirit?

642
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:16,720
How's the Spirit working?
You know, do you see it?

643
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:20,400
I think Pastor Jewel's going to
hit on that a little bit next

644
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,600
week.
But what other thoughts you got

645
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,960
about the Holy Spirit?
I just want to say one thing.

646
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:29,480
Yeah, it was Saint Patrick's
Day.

647
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:34,720
Oh, this has.
Write it down and Danny had a

648
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:40,720
message that had a a Sunday
school on the Trinity and did

649
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:45,320
not play this Richard and
satire.

650
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:49,040
You know, Patrick's bad, bad
analogies of the Trinity.

651
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:53,480
And then I, I, you know, I'm, I,
if there's a one of us who's

652
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,880
teaching that's going to joke a
little more, it's probably me.

653
00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:01,200
I don't, I don't know, that joke
may be like a, a loose term, you

654
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:02,760
know, make jokes that people
don't laugh at.

655
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,720
And I shows I was like, you know
what, I probably shouldn't show

656
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:07,000
this video.
I don't, I don't know.

657
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,680
It kind of goes off the rails at
the end with with Voltron and,

658
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:15,040
you know, righteously puking
green righteously into the, the

659
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,640
the Chicago River.
I was like, I don't know.

660
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,000
So I I won't play it.
I'll just kind of mention it.

661
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:24,240
Joel.
No, no, no, no, no holds barred

662
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,800
on this.
He plays it yesterday, which I

663
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:27,440
thought was.
Great.

664
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,120
So great move.
It's funny.

665
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:34,960
And it it, it exposed people to
the Athanasian Creed in a good

666
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:36,680
way where people they're not
threatened by it.

667
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,120
It's like, oh, this is great.
Yeah, it's good, So good.

668
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,680
And it really drives him to the
point, right?

669
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:42,960
Don't mess around with these
analogies.

670
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:44,720
Right.
The the analogies are bad, yeah.

671
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:47,120
Not going to work.
Get in trouble.

672
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,840
Well, I look forward to talking
more about the Holy Spirit next

673
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week.
That's our take.

674
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Two.

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