Nov. 5, 2024
Squanto Part 1
Bonus Episode 10
Michael and Zach the early life of Squanto
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Burr, it is cold out.
Wow.
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It is.
It's November already.
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It's November already, so we're
pre recording a bonus episode.
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A series of bonus episodes about
the life of Squanto.
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Did you learn about Squanto
growing up much?
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Very briefly, you know, you hear
the the Pilgrim story, Squanto
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kind of glance over it.
You do some crafts, you know,
8
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you make a little Turkey thing
or like a headdress and you call
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it a day.
Did you watch the Charlie Brown
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Thanksgiving special?
Oh, I've I've seen, I've seen it
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before.
'Cause he shows up there,
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Massasole and Cheryl said.
And Quanto, I'll show up.
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I've.
Seen it less than the Christmas
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one, but I've seen it.
Yeah, it's been been a minute.
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And Squanto's in the Bible too,
so this is like, great.
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Oh no.
So you might be thinking, why
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are we going with Squanto?
Yeah, Well, Squanto.
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Yeah.
So why are we going with
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Squanto?
Well, when I, I, I don't,
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somehow I got through my
childhood.
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Not really.
Maybe they said Squanto, but I
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did not pick up on it.
And.
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And if you look at the life of
Squanto, it's almost reminiscent
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of like Joseph in the Bible, how
he was used and how it appears
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he was became a believer through
all that he went through and
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played a pivotal role in saving
the lives of the pilgrims that.
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Were there and that that that's
basically what I learned in
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elementary school.
And that's, that's like, I don't
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have a good context for like his
whole life happening before or
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after, you know, it's kind of
like that very short snapshot.
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So where Squanto grew up would
have been in the area of
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Massachusetts, Rhode Island.
There were actually 69 tribes
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that we know of there that were
part of this Wampanoag.
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I probably mispronouncing that
Wampanoag confederation.
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And so that was there.
And they would have had some
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early European contact with
traders, like in the late 1500s,
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like late late 1500s, maybe
early early 1600s.
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So Squanto, I'm looking at my
notes here.
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I don't see it here, but he was
born, I believe, like 1780 ish.
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OK.
So we're kind of like you're,
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you're setting some background.
For it, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Gotcha.
So he was born not did I say
43
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1780?
He sure did. 1580 I was like.
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I My whole concept of pilgrims
were up.
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I had a bad education, but there
we go.
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Yeah, around 1580 or so.
And so we've they've had some
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contact with Europeans, but not
a lot.
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And so you may know of Captain
John Smith.
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Oh, yes, yes.
You know.
50
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From that very historically
accurate Pocahontas movie by
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Disney.
Very historically accurate.
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So he is going on this mission
and so around.
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Just going back to my notes, 16
O 5's Quanto likely encountered
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George Weymouth's expedition.
And so that was where they're
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trading goods and stuff.
And then in 1614, Thomas Hunt
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was a Lieutenant, if I got this
right, underneath John Smith.
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And John Smith had told him, you
know, go along these coastlines,
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establish contact with these
Indians, see what goods they
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need.
Like, they're trying to set up
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an economy, like, like, get to
know them.
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Let's set, Let's see what they
want, what, what we can do.
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But instead of just doing that,
he kidnaps Squanto and a handful
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of other Indians from that area.
And and so you're saying Squanto
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may been born around 1580 or
something.
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Is that you're saying 70s?
So he's probably 20, early 20s,
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maybe a late teenager.
If I if I remember that right,
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'cause I believe he lives to be
around just in his mid 40s
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'cause he's gonna he's gonna die
from a disease shortly after
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the.
Spoiler Al sorry.
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Sorry, so he dies in his mid 40s
so that that puts him around
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1580.
So he's kidnapped in 1614 by
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Thomas Hunt and this is a
betrayal?
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It's not something that was
condoned.
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By John Smith, John.
Smith, He wasn't there.
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In fact, England would later
kind of put out a statement that
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says that this was wrong,
although not much happened to
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him from what we tell.
So Quanto, he's born, he comes
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into contact with some early
Europeans, he is kidnapped 1614
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and he's taken over to Spain and
that's really where we're going
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to end it for this that's.
Kind of interesting I never you
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never hear about Squanto in
Spain.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Went over to Spain and got mixed
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up with some Friars there.
Wow.
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So this is kind of like he's in
a pretty precarious place.
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It's not great.
He's been captured, he's
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kidnapped.
He's going to be sold as a
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slave.
So yeah, I see the Joseph
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parallels.
Well, I hope, I hope the story
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picks up because I'm, I'm
feeling bad for Squanto.
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Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
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So we'll leave it there.
So stay tuned to next week's
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bonus episode and we will pick
up Squanto from there.
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But that's our take.
Thanks for listening to Take
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00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:16,160
Two.
Find us wherever you find
95
00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:18,680
podcasts and on YouTube for
those who want to watch our
96
00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:19,360
video cast.
00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:01,760
Burr, it is cold out.
Wow.
2
00:00:02,360 --> 00:00:04,000
It is.
It's November already.
3
00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:08,720
It's November already, so we're
pre recording a bonus episode.
4
00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:13,040
A series of bonus episodes about
the life of Squanto.
5
00:00:13,040 --> 00:00:15,640
Did you learn about Squanto
growing up much?
6
00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:19,960
Very briefly, you know, you hear
the the Pilgrim story, Squanto
7
00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:22,280
kind of glance over it.
You do some crafts, you know,
8
00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:24,880
you make a little Turkey thing
or like a headdress and you call
9
00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:27,080
it a day.
Did you watch the Charlie Brown
10
00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:30,280
Thanksgiving special?
Oh, I've I've seen, I've seen it
11
00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:31,640
before.
'Cause he shows up there,
12
00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:35,400
Massasole and Cheryl said.
And Quanto, I'll show up.
13
00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:36,920
I've.
Seen it less than the Christmas
14
00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:39,200
one, but I've seen it.
Yeah, it's been been a minute.
15
00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:41,960
And Squanto's in the Bible too,
so this is like, great.
16
00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:44,200
Oh no.
So you might be thinking, why
17
00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:46,520
are we going with Squanto?
Yeah, Well, Squanto.
18
00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:47,760
Yeah.
So why are we going with
19
00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:49,960
Squanto?
Well, when I, I, I don't,
20
00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:51,720
somehow I got through my
childhood.
21
00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:54,600
Not really.
Maybe they said Squanto, but I
22
00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:56,600
did not pick up on it.
And.
23
00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:00,680
And if you look at the life of
Squanto, it's almost reminiscent
24
00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:07,600
of like Joseph in the Bible, how
he was used and how it appears
25
00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:12,560
he was became a believer through
all that he went through and
26
00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:17,720
played a pivotal role in saving
the lives of the pilgrims that.
27
00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:19,920
Were there and that that that's
basically what I learned in
28
00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:21,840
elementary school.
And that's, that's like, I don't
29
00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:24,520
have a good context for like his
whole life happening before or
30
00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:27,400
after, you know, it's kind of
like that very short snapshot.
31
00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:32,040
So where Squanto grew up would
have been in the area of
32
00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:36,240
Massachusetts, Rhode Island.
There were actually 69 tribes
33
00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:39,280
that we know of there that were
part of this Wampanoag.
34
00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:44,560
I probably mispronouncing that
Wampanoag confederation.
35
00:01:44,960 --> 00:01:52,000
And so that was there.
And they would have had some
36
00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:58,360
early European contact with
traders, like in the late 1500s,
37
00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:01,280
like late late 1500s, maybe
early early 1600s.
38
00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:05,560
So Squanto, I'm looking at my
notes here.
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00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:10,880
I don't see it here, but he was
born, I believe, like 1780 ish.
40
00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:12,200
OK.
So we're kind of like you're,
41
00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:14,080
you're setting some background.
For it, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
42
00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:16,480
Gotcha.
So he was born not did I say
43
00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:19,040
1780?
He sure did. 1580 I was like.
44
00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:21,360
I My whole concept of pilgrims
were up.
45
00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:23,240
I had a bad education, but there
we go.
46
00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:29,440
Yeah, around 1580 or so.
And so we've they've had some
47
00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:33,080
contact with Europeans, but not
a lot.
48
00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:36,000
And so you may know of Captain
John Smith.
49
00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:37,440
Oh, yes, yes.
You know.
50
00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:39,840
From that very historically
accurate Pocahontas movie by
51
00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:41,800
Disney.
Very historically accurate.
52
00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:48,920
So he is going on this mission
and so around.
53
00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:52,320
Just going back to my notes, 16
O 5's Quanto likely encountered
54
00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:56,680
George Weymouth's expedition.
And so that was where they're
55
00:02:56,680 --> 00:03:02,520
trading goods and stuff.
And then in 1614, Thomas Hunt
56
00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:08,200
was a Lieutenant, if I got this
right, underneath John Smith.
57
00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:12,680
And John Smith had told him, you
know, go along these coastlines,
58
00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:16,600
establish contact with these
Indians, see what goods they
59
00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:17,920
need.
Like, they're trying to set up
60
00:03:17,920 --> 00:03:20,080
an economy, like, like, get to
know them.
61
00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:22,920
Let's set, Let's see what they
want, what, what we can do.
62
00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:29,520
But instead of just doing that,
he kidnaps Squanto and a handful
63
00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:34,080
of other Indians from that area.
And and so you're saying Squanto
64
00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:35,840
may been born around 1580 or
something.
65
00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:39,520
Is that you're saying 70s?
So he's probably 20, early 20s,
66
00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:41,840
maybe a late teenager.
If I if I remember that right,
67
00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:46,000
'cause I believe he lives to be
around just in his mid 40s
68
00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:49,360
'cause he's gonna he's gonna die
from a disease shortly after
69
00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:50,720
the.
Spoiler Al sorry.
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00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:54,920
Sorry, so he dies in his mid 40s
so that that puts him around
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00:03:55,320 --> 00:04:00,280
1580.
So he's kidnapped in 1614 by
72
00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:04,360
Thomas Hunt and this is a
betrayal?
73
00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:10,240
It's not something that was
condoned.
74
00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:12,720
By John Smith, John.
Smith, He wasn't there.
75
00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:18,760
In fact, England would later
kind of put out a statement that
76
00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:21,800
says that this was wrong,
although not much happened to
77
00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:27,200
him from what we tell.
So Quanto, he's born, he comes
78
00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:34,520
into contact with some early
Europeans, he is kidnapped 1614
79
00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:39,080
and he's taken over to Spain and
that's really where we're going
80
00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:41,000
to end it for this that's.
Kind of interesting I never you
81
00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:42,280
never hear about Squanto in
Spain.
82
00:04:42,280 --> 00:04:46,400
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Went over to Spain and got mixed
83
00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:48,040
up with some Friars there.
Wow.
84
00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:51,400
So this is kind of like he's in
a pretty precarious place.
85
00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:53,120
It's not great.
He's been captured, he's
86
00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:54,440
kidnapped.
He's going to be sold as a
87
00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:55,960
slave.
So yeah, I see the Joseph
88
00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:58,840
parallels.
Well, I hope, I hope the story
89
00:04:58,840 --> 00:05:01,440
picks up because I'm, I'm
feeling bad for Squanto.
90
00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:02,680
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
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00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:06,240
So we'll leave it there.
So stay tuned to next week's
92
00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:10,000
bonus episode and we will pick
up Squanto from there.
93
00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:13,960
But that's our take.
Thanks for listening to Take
94
00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:16,160
Two.
Find us wherever you find
95
00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:18,680
podcasts and on YouTube for
those who want to watch our
96
00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:19,360
video cast.