The True Story of Christmas Part 2

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All right, so we had home groups
tonight, so we're recording a

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little bit later than we
normally do during the day and

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had a visitor during a prayer
meeting.

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Wow, it was you know who opened
your eyes.

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You know, the people who opened
their eyes during prayer 'cause

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they all knew, and the people
who didn't, didn't.

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But apparently there was a
rather large raccoon who was

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sauntering over to the food
table underneath the Hawks and

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I, I mean Publix chicken.
It tastes good to humans, and I

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guess it smells good to
raccoons, dude.

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Thankfully, he didn't get to
taste it because.

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Close call.
Chris Hawk was over there on the

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on the.
He was on the moot.

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Yeah, yeah.
I Caleb, I think, saw it.

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I was in the middle of it, but
as a good Christian, eyes were

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closed.
Of course, of course.

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I heard some rustling but I said
no keeping those eyes closed.

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Right, right.
And then, and then and then, you

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know, it was just a lot was
going on.

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So yeah, yeah, you know, saw the
old raccoon and then my wife

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seemingly like she said she
dropped her phone.

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It sounded like she threw her
phone at the Concord as hard as

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she cancels.
Like, yeah.

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So there's a lot going on in
that corner of the Home group.

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Yeah, Speaking of Home group, we
currently use Slack for

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communications and it's been a
little bit like trying to get

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people on there.
And then I hear a lot like from

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my mom, not from my mom.
She's in, in, in heaven with

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Jesus.
So she doesn't talk to me

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directly, but from my wife, but
from other people too.

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Like, oh, I got kicked out of
Slack.

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I got to renew my stuff.
And I was thinking, you know,

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we've started using GroupMe for
more things.

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So there's like the Bible
studies on GroupMe kind of and.

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That's a very big maybe, but
yeah, right, right.

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And then that group that
Jonathan White and Clay and I

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are on, and we don't have to
talk about specifics, but we use

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GroupMe too.
And I'm starting to be won over

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by GroupMe because I used.
To be nice.

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Yeah, so do you throw?
A pole on there and do whatever

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you want.
I like it.

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Yeah.
So what do you think the

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appetite is for our small group?
Do you think they would be

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willing to move to a different
app?

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I, I think if we were in a Home
group and we just did it for

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people like let's just do this
right now.

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We go, honestly, I think we
should like recommend it to all

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of church leadership.
If you're in a group and you're

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thinking about something, just
push people towards group

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because once you're on one, it's
easy to add, you know what I

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mean?
And that's, and I wish, I don't

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care what we do, but it would be
nice for like every little side

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group to be something.
Side things that confuses people

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like the random or like the
it's.

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Yeah, I, I think Slack is like,
awesome.

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I actually really like Slack,
but I think if you're not used

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to it, you're like a hashtag or
you're like this, the way it

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presents looks weird.
Right.

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Yeah, I think if like you're in
a, a, a business group, like

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you're doing like Agile software
development or something and you

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have like, hey, we want the
development team or we want the

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UI interface team or, you know,
whatever.

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And you like can hashtag stuff,
but that's that's more than what

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you know, grandma needs in order
to find out she needs to bring

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something to to pot pot
Providence.

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That that's right for the
raccoons to to get.

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Yeah, no, that that's a good
point, GroupMe, man, I'm you

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don't have to tell me twice.
Also, some other side notes on

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home groups tonight.
Really tough day for coming up

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with hems off the cuff.
I mean Christmas carols.

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I thought you were about to say
really tough day for toddlers

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and and it.
Was tough.

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We're going down and half of the
toddlers are my kids.

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And mine.
So Phoebe went down.

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Jay and Jax did go down as
Joshua did.

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Joshua did, and Jay Jackson
also.

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Well, yeah, Jackson and Jay,
similar event.

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Jay was a collision.
On his head, you might not know

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because Jackson screams like his
life is ending and then 30

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seconds later he's like, I'm
fine.

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We're like, you don't.
You don't need to scream if it

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doesn't hurt.
Everything's a screaming

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situation with him.
Jane was actually hurt so that I

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mean it was like the one to
carry over, but you would think

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Jackson was hurt by his initial
scream, but that's why you

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noticed later on.
Yeah, but tough time getting,

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you know, it.
It was a tough crowd tonight.

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You know, sometimes the crowd's
warm and they're lively.

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Tough crowd.
And I was trying to just get

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people like, what's your
favorite?

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In I I think you need to treat
home groups like stand up comedy

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and just like warm us up with a
few jokes, you know, get us

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going, you know, like.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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probably so, so.
That's that's I did this is one

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last tangent that we can get it
get it rolling.

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I I'm trying to prep for this
doing us upcoming central class

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on the wisdom literature in the
Old Testament and I found I I

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this is bad 'cause I don't have
it like pulled up now, but I

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found what is known as probably
the oldest one of the oldest

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jokes, oldest proverb, but it
should be It seems like it's

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humorous that is dated to like
4000 BC 4000 BCI.

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It's some.
The earth was just being created

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and.
It's, it's pretty, you know,

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it's pretty anticlimactic
because, you know, I don't have

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this joke off the top of my head
and ancient Neary salutatrix.

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I was looking up.
So here it is.

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OK, 'cause it it.
It's dated to be around 4500 BC

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40. 500 BC This.
Is what it says well.

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This is probably even before
before if you use the the dating

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that that one guy uses so.
Ancient summer, Summer.

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And it's supposed to be
humorous.

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We don't know the humor 'cause
we don't know that culture.

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But translated what we think it
says.

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A dog walked into a Tavern and
said, I can't see a thing.

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I'll open this one.
Like no one knows what the joke

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is, but that's what?
And people are like, it's

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probably a joke in the ancient
culture and we just don't know

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it in our culture.
But that's like the oldest.

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There's probably some play on
words there that.

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Like maybe the way it sounds or
the rhythm, but.

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No, that's good.
That is good because, you know,

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there it's hard if there are
words in languages that you can

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make plays on and then those
don't translate over to your

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language because we don't have
we, you know, we don't have one

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word in our language that can
mean ruler and a type and a way

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of measuring.
I think a way of like to measure

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against.
But in Greek, you know arque.

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Yeah, Arque is that word.
So, and in that same vein, you

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know, you try to teach your
Spanish kid about Peter Piper

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picked a pep.
This is not gonna it's not gonna

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sound the same, right?
You're like, no, I don't get it.

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Yeah, that's why people like
laughing.

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Which is how like a marvel like
when maybe English and German

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are close enough, when we like
translated a mighty fortress is

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our God like that has a rhyming
scheme and it's in a verse and

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stuff and it fits the same
music, but it went from German

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to English.
But maybe it's maybe it's close

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enough.
I like it.

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I, I feel like we, we did full
circle.

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We, I mean, we covered the gamut
and this banter.

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We were all covered the place,
but I think it was all good.

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That's right.
All right.

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Well, we are going to continue
our series on giving you the

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truth that we know you want,
right?

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You know, there's, you can
handle it.

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You know, now breaking live,
we're, we're giving you the, the

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breaking news on things that
happened 2000 years ago 'cause

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we want you to know what really
happened.

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So some have titled this
Michael's Ruins Christmas, but I

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think ruins is probably the bad.
A bad, you know, probably

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restores Christmas.
There you go.

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I like it.
All right, let's take it to the

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next level.
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Country in South Carolina.
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we take theology to the next
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All right, we 3 kings of Orient
are bearing gifts we traversed

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so far.
So yesterday we talked about,

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you know, the wise men, the
Gentiles bringing gifts.

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Kind of alluded to the fact that
we're going to talk about this

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today, but popular culture, I
bet every nativity is.

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Do you have any nativities up in
your house?

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I do.
OK, are there 3 wise men there?

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No, Yeah, yeah.
It would be weird for them not

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to have three.
I mean, and it just, yeah, I

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guess it just, you know, rolls
off the tongue.

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The you know, gold,
frankincense, and myrrh if if

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you need one person per one
gift.

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Right, right.
And there could have been three,

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there could have been three,
there could have been two, there

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could have been 12.
We just know it's plural.

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And we know tradition around the
6th century gave these three

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guys names.
But that's like the earliest we

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have this written down.
Did you know any of these names

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before these notes?
Mel Cure we.

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Talk about them.
But yeah, Caspar and Balthasar,

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so no.
Clue.

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Yeah.
And so those have worked their

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those names have worked their
way, you know, into other

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tradition literature.
But we from 6th century, so

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around in the 500.
So that's his, you know, maybe

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it was passed on, maybe that was
their name, maybe not.

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It's hard to know.
I I can't wait.

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I've made this kind of joke
before.

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It's a popular go to joke, I
guess in my joke vernacular.

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But get to heaven, that 4th,
5th, 6th wiseman's gonna be

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like, what the heck guys?
Like you think these guys just

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travelled by themselves?
You know what's going on?

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So anyway.
Yeah.

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So and then more probably more
consequential than the number is

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when and where did they visit?
This is I think this is this is

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a good question because the
timeline, how old, how much

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after, what's going on?
Right.

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And so maybe you heard stuff
like this like, well, Matthew

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says they entered into the house
and we know that Matt, Joseph

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and Mary were looking for a
Motel 6 and they ended up in a

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barn or a cave.
So and then so time had to have

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moved on.
And then also we'll talk a

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little bit later.
Herod kills all the boys who are

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two years old and younger.
So these two things together

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have often LED people to say,
Oh, well, it was there was some

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time, some large amount of time
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birth of Jesus and the wise
men's visit.

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No, that's good, 'cause you're
like you're saying it's all kind

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of wrapped up together in this
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I might just read a few verses,
maybe even verse 7 through 12 of

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Matthew 2, 'cause I think a lot
of this is touched on.

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Then Herod summoned the wise men
secretly and ascertained from

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them what time the star had
appeared, and he sent them to

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Bethlehem, saying, Go and search
diligently for the Child, and

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when you found him, bring me
word that I too may come and

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worship Him.
After listening to the King,

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they went on their way, and
behold, the star that they had

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seen when it rose went before
them until it came to rest over

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the place where the child was.
When they saw the star, they've

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rejoiced exceedingly with great
joy.

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And like you were saying,
Michael, I'm going into the

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house.
They saw the child with Mary his

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mother, and they fell down and
worshipped him.

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Then opening their treasures,
they offered him gifts, gold and

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frankincense and myrrh.
And being warned in a dream not

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to return to Herod, they
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another way.
Then a few verses later, if we

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skipped on the verse 16, then
Herod, when he saw that he had

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been tricked by the wise men,
became furious.

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And he sent and killed all the
male children in Bethlehem and

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in all that region who were two
years old or under, according to

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the time that he had ascertained
from the wise men.

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So a lot to think about.
And so you can see why these all

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these thoughts kind of.
Right, right.

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And so if we're just gonna start
untangling some of this, they

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enter a house, that's fine,
because Jesus would have been

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born in a house.
Joseph and Mary would have been

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staying with relatives.
He would have been born on the

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bottom level of a house in the
Manger.

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That would have been on that
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And so the fact that the wise
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the night that he was born,
probably not, but maybe a month

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or two in.
So that alone just aligns with

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what we learned from Luke.
So no, no big, no big deal

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there.
Well, she's just two years old.

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This this is the question
because we do see at the end

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there he kind of was
ascertaining.

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So I'm going to kill everyone
two years or older.

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A lot of things think about
Herod was a crazy person and not

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just so he's he'd probably be
taking exceptional measures.

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Right.
Yeah.

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So it it, you know, Herod wasn't
known to be, you know,

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protective, like, he's the one
that he killed, you know, a lot

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of his family members who he
thought was trying to usurp his

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throne.
And so probably, it's more than

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likely he would say, well, and
the wise men didn't come back to

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him.
So it wasn't like the wise men

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could say, oh, yeah, he was six
months old.

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All he knows is that the star
appeared.

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They went down to Bethlehem and.
Maybe he's waiting.

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Yeah, a few months late.
I mean, he's like, yeah, just

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guessing.
He's like, yeah, let's add an

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extra year to be safe.
I don't know.

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And so he gives this two years
young, 2 years old and younger.

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But what's also with that is how
people counted back then.

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So like if you know Emily and
Christopher, you know, if

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everything's on track, they'll
give birth around January 21st.

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They would say, we would, if we
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he's in his first year because
he's building up to his first

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year.
Although for us, we would say,

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oh, he's two months, he's three
months.

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And then a year from now we
would say he's one years old.

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But that's, that's not how folks
would count.

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They would think of it, Oh,
you're in your first year,

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You're in your second year.
This was the third day, even

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though it had only been two days
since you know.

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So you think you're like the
resurrection or something like

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that?
It's like, was it 72 hours or

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you?
Sometimes we think more

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precisely than that culture did
about a lot of things.

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That's a good point.
Right.

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So, so saying two years of the
second year and younger could

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have been anywhere arranged, you
know, 1218 months or younger.

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So it, it would still it this
would not be decisive to say,

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Oh, he they were there.
And also it would be weird for

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Joseph and Mary to be just
camped out in Bethlehem for two

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years.
That would be weird.

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Like they're like, hey, we got a
free place to stay.

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We're milking this for all it's
worth.

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Now.
That's pretty crazy 'cause I

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think it's a good lesson in
hermeneutics because you want to

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be literal and accurate.
So you might be saying 02 years,

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I need to, but you need to be
thinking about ancient Near

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Eastern civilizations.
It's like, you got to get in

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their minds.
And what standards were they

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held to?
And I think that that helps out

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a lot because I, I grew up and
it was always, Jesus is a

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toddler, you know?
Right.

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Yeah.
And so that makes better sense.

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And then you wonder how long
they were down in Egypt.

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Matthew's the only one that
reports that they go down to

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Egypt, But you know, that's an
unanswered question.

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Yeah, that's a, that's a good,
good question too.

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I guess they at least remain
there until the death of Herod.

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So right.
If we and I think we know Herod

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died and four BC I mean, so I
don't know when Jesus was born,

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but you know.
Ohh.

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And four BC.
I I think that's why people say

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Jesus was born from six to four
BC because we, we actually know

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when Herod died.
OK, so that's like what we get.

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We guesstimate off of that.
I think maybe I should back

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check before I just start saying
stuff, but yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I'll talk about Rachel's lament
while you when you see him when

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he died.
All right, so another thing is,

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and not to downplay this because
it was a horrible thing to have

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these kids killed.
Boom, 4 BC got it right.

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All right, So very good.
But I think often times, like as

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a kid, I had in my mind like
hundreds and hundreds of kids

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that would have been killed.
By.

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Harrods, and it probably was
somewhere between 10 and 20

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based on the population of
Bethlehem.

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I never.
Thought about that.

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The birth rate, the survival
rate of birth.

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So there's the high mortality of
infants.

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So taking all that into account,
probably 10 or 20 young males

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who would have died.
Tragic, sad, evil.

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Not downplaying it, but the
picture that I always had in my

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mind growing up was like
hundreds and hundreds of kids

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and that's that would would not
have been historically accurate.

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Yeah, To me, this goes to the
prophecy kind of thing.

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You know, being born in
Bethlehem, it's not like there's

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millions of people to pick from.
It's not Manhattan.

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You know, it's like, you know,
it's like that pool gets

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dramatically lowered.
So all all of this, I think what

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I like about this uncovering the
truth or really trying to

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understand the actual context is
that it just makes things so

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much more accurate versus like,
oh, you know how I think in my

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mind.
Yeah, yeah.

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All right.
So that was the three wise men.

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We should also talk about
Jesus's and Joseph's occupation.

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Woodworkers, baby.
Yeah, and I mean, you've all

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probably at least heard of, if
not read more than a Carpenter.

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And you know, King James has
Joseph being a Carpenter,

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Matthew 1355 says, is this not
the carpenter's son?

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Is not mother his mother called
Mary?

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And then in a parallel Mark 63,
is this not the carpenter's son?

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And so, and what was very common
in those days was that sons took

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up the same job as their their
fathers.

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So Jesus, probably a Carpenter.
Oh yeah, easily.

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I think you're setting this up
good where it's like, OK, let's

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think what?
Let's think what that would mean

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in his day.
And maybe even let's look at the

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Greek and see if we can figure
out, you know, what that would

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refer to 'cause I think, I think
there might be a, you know, half

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a percent chance maybe he, his
niche was woodworking and that

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was like a specialty.
Yeah.

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Yeah, probably not.
Right.

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Yeah, because if you recall
David building the temple, they

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had to go to Lebanon to get
Cedars.

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Import a lot of that stuff.
Yeah, yeah, they had to import

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all that wood because in this
area, while you're going to have

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some trees, they're not
normally, they're not quite

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those tall, you know, straight
trees that you can build with.

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They're like the bindi, deserty
trees and stuff.

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And So what they have around
here mostly is stone.

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It's what the temple is, pulled
out of stone.

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And if you go and you look at
ancient Israel, you everyone's

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home is stone and they're adding
on rooms and they're building

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with stone.
You go and you're like, wow,

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stone is everywhere.
I mean, it's like you come

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around Goose Creek or
Somerville, all these houses got

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the wood framing.
It's like that's not what you

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see in in that area when you're
looking at ancient Israel.

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It's it's pretty, you walk in
there, you're like, there's,

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there's no, there's no wood
anywhere.

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So what I hear you saying is
can't trust our Bible cause the

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Bible says Carpenter but you're
saying there weren't carpenters

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back in the day So what gives?
My, my, my world's been rocked

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there.
I can't.

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There's no, no comeback.
I like that.

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Now you're you're, you're great.
Alluding to going to the Greek

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word under underneath.
This is tecton, which is really

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a broad word that that really
could be better understood as

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builder, which you go in a lot
of directions.

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Right.
Yeah, just like Bob the Builder.

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Yes, he can.
Jesus was a builder and yes, he

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can.
Jesus can do what he wants.

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And so what's probably the
better understanding is that

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Jesus What?
And Joseph were stone Masons.

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Makes a lot more sense, yeah.
Not not.

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I mean, I love carpenters.
I'm not trying to, but I.

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Think music a stone.
Mason I think someone who's

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like, you know, got jacks biceps
and they're burly because that's

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that's tough manual work and and
well, there's a lot of measuring

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and laying out and stuff.
Same.

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But that's also in carpentry.
So I don't want to take any away

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from carpenters.
Carpenters, we're not.

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We're not coming at you.
We're we're everyone's

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everyone's friend.
I think wood may be a little

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more forgiving than stone
because it's like.

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That's true.
You can't like like over.

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Yeah, it's it's you don't want
to over chisel something.

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It's hard to glue.
That like you can glue those

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back together or like put a, you
know, like a, you know, some

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type of joiner on on pieces of
rock.

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Maybe you can maybe I'm Speaking
of them.

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I.
Can maybe you can.

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Well, Speaking of Herod and
crazy, crazy antics, Herod

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Antipus in the 1st century was
doing this major building

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project. 1st century BC. 1st
century 80 is it BC?

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I think it's BC.
BC So this is Herod the Great or

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is Herod Antipus is different
than Herod the Great?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So Herod died and then Herod or

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this Herod's a different
tetrarch.

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I need to I need to Fact Check
some of this, right?

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Right.
Well, I just know that there was

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a building project at Caesarea
Maritime, was it?

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Somewhere in that area Maritime
was roam away from home or

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something like that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And then there was this other
smaller building village he was

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building up, Sephorus.
Yes, this was going to be, I

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think I should, I should look
this up, but it was going to be

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like a major, like some sort of,
you know, capital city in the

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area that was just three miles
from Nazareth.

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So a lot of people in Nazareth
probably picked this, picked up

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this work 'cause it would be an
easy way to be guaranteed work

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for a long time.
The government, you know, back

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in this, I mean, there there's a
lot of a lot of money to be made

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where probably, you know, a lot
of people in the town would

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would be able to do this pretty
easily.

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Yeah, and between Nazareth and
Sephora, there was a rock

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quarry.
And so it's like calling all,

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you know, stone Masons.
We got work for you.

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Which probably would have
explained because it seems like

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Joseph and Mary came from
religiously conservative

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backgrounds.
Joseph, his hometown was

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Bethlehem.
And so like, what would have

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brought him out?
Well, if he was a builder in

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Bethlehem, then he, you know,
would've moved up to find this

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work.
So more circumstantial evidence

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that why would Joseph even been
living in Nazareth?

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Well, because there was work
there and it was rock related.

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That that is great to
conclusion.

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It is likely these two were
stone Masons.

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You can't totally rule out the
woodworking, but it'd be very,

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very narrow niche.
And when you think about that in

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the context of biblical
theology, you know, I think it

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brings some of these passages to
life a little more, gives a

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little more meaning to this
building we see all throughout

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Scripture.
Yeah.

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And maybe I want to turn to the
the first Peter passage because

447
00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:18,520
when Joel was preaching through
this two or three years ago,

448
00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:23,160
four years ago, and we got to
this passage and he didn't

449
00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:27,400
really make this point.
But to me, having known this

450
00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:31,000
like it made the passage come
alive to me more.

451
00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:39,680
So first Peter, as you know,
talking about some trials and

452
00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:46,080
stuff that you go through.
And so let me just find my and

453
00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:54,440
then he says IN25 it says you
also so I'll start in two four

454
00:22:54,440 --> 00:23:01,880
it says and coming to him as to
a living stone which has been

455
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,920
rejected by men.
So calling back to was at Psalm

456
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:08,040
118.
Yes, yes, that's right, but his

457
00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:13,400
choice and precious in the sight
of God, you also as living

458
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:17,080
stones are being built up as a
spiritual house for holy

459
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:21,160
priesthood to OfferUp spiritual
sacrifices acceptable to God

460
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:26,320
through Jesus Christ.
And so this idea of, you know,

461
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:31,240
him being the living stone and
him building us up as precious

462
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:34,920
stones and knowing his earthly
job would have been a stone

463
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:38,280
Mason, I think it makes the
context much more rich.

464
00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,720
He's got the resume, he's got
that previous work experience

465
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:45,200
where man, yeah, it just, it
just all goes, all goes, goes

466
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,920
together so much more.
So I think that's a good way to

467
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:51,040
to think about things.
Jesus the master builder, Jesus

468
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:53,280
the stone Mason, That's probably
what he did.

469
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:54,880
That's just the reality.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

470
00:23:55,280 --> 00:24:00,240
All right, next one moving right
along.

471
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,840
We got to keep Christ in
Christmas, which I agree.

472
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:06,240
There's a lot of secularization
of Christmas.

473
00:24:08,120 --> 00:24:10,880
And you know the weird thing
about this, this is like, it's

474
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:12,880
not secularization.
It's like anti.

475
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,960
I don't know how to describe it,
but I let me put it in words and

476
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,560
you give me the label.
Jill and I went to the Dock

477
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:26,120
Street Street Theater last night
and I'll just say it was a gay O

478
00:24:26,120 --> 00:24:28,840
time.
Oh, staying in the Christmas

479
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,440
tradition.
Yeah.

480
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:36,520
So there were, you know, some
guys there that clearly seemed,

481
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:39,640
yeah, more on the effeminate
side.

482
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:43,760
And then there was one person
who in the cast who was trans,

483
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:48,560
and they even gave that person's
pronouns in the cast list.

484
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:52,160
That's good.
So it's like, yeah, I, I

485
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,720
struggle knowing, you know, in a
secular setting like that, where

486
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:56,720
to draw the line.
But then they're singing these

487
00:24:56,720 --> 00:25:00,840
songs like God rest you merry
gentlemen, let nothing you

488
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:07,560
dismay for born this Christ's
savior on this Christmas Day or

489
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:08,840
something like that.
And like they're singing all

490
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:12,760
these very heavily, you know,
theological songs.

491
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:15,960
But to them it's just, you know,
whatever.

492
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:19,240
So it was a little bit weird.
Yeah, I don't know the right the

493
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,720
right label for this, but I know
what you're saying.

494
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,640
It's like, and then, you know,
on on the flip side, or maybe in

495
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,720
a similarish vein, us
Christians, we can get bent out

496
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:31,480
of shape when if someone, if
someone says, hey, someone at a

497
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:33,720
store saying celebrating Xmas.
Xmas.

498
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,120
We're going to flip some tables
because they're taking Christ

499
00:25:36,120 --> 00:25:37,040
out of Christmas.
Right.

500
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:39,200
Get your whip out.
You're in.

501
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:44,200
Because because Christ was there
Christmas, Christmas and we're

502
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:47,360
taking Christ out for that X,
we're X ING them out.

503
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,000
It's like a no, no smoking sign.
Yeah, get them out.

504
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:53,400
Of here, yeah, yeah.
So I'm guessing you heard this

505
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:54,520
grown up.
Yeah.

506
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:59,120
I heard it, Yeah.
I remember my family being a

507
00:25:59,120 --> 00:26:01,960
little miffed at the Monopoly.
I think it's a community.

508
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:06,040
It's a yellow one.
Community Chest not chance card

509
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:11,360
that says Xmas funds mature
collect, you know, $150.00 or

510
00:26:11,360 --> 00:26:13,480
whatever it was.
And they're like, I remember

511
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,680
asking, what is Xmas?
And like, well, that's the

512
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:20,160
secular way of referring to
Christmas without actually

513
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,960
saying Christ, because some
people don't like Christ.

514
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:26,120
But really, you know, that's why
it's good.

515
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,440
Hey, take a semester of Greek,
maybe 2, because that would have

516
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,400
saved everyone a lot of trouble.
Is that X in Greek?

517
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:37,960
Is this letter chi?
Which happens, you know, CHICH

518
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:43,840
1st 2:00 letters of, of Christ.
So it's really a shorthand for

519
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:45,840
Christmas, Christmas.
Right, yeah.

520
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:51,560
So this this Xmas predates any
of the secularization of.

521
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,760
And it was just shorthand for,
right, Christ real fast.

522
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:59,040
In fact, X just became known,
you know, as a symbol for

523
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:02,040
Christ.
Or if you had the X with the

524
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:06,480
Roe, that would be in like the
first 2 letters 'cause it was

525
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,080
the chapter and the R sound
Cora.

526
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:13,200
And so some people, I mean, some
people are crazy, like getting

527
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,200
that stuff tattooed on their
bodies and stuff like the Chi

528
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,440
and the Roe, you know?
And so this has been even known,

529
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,080
this symbol as a Christogram.
And you would see it in

530
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,640
Scriptures, you know, if they
were Old Testament texts that

531
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,920
pointed to Christ, people might,
you know, put a little mark in,

532
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,120
in their Bible or, or write
this.

533
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:34,280
You really see this going back
at the even before this, but it

534
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:37,160
became really popular,
popularized in the 4th century

535
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,160
under Emperor Constantine.
You know, they would write stuff

536
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,600
like this on their Shields and
it became more like mainstream.

537
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:46,480
But even before that you, you
kind of see this in different,

538
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,560
different areas on some like
catacombs and and that kind of

539
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:51,720
thing.
And then Xmas.

540
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,400
That goes pretty far back too,
in its own right.

541
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:57,880
Yeah, 10:21 that's going back
where people scribes would write

542
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:04,680
either Xmas or the XP because
the row in Greek looks like AP

543
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:09,360
for us, but it was their letter
R, you know that was had the R

544
00:28:09,360 --> 00:28:12,200
sound, but they would do XP
mess.

545
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:13,240
So.
Ink ain't free.

546
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:15,360
Paint free.
Does grow on trees.

547
00:28:15,360 --> 00:28:18,120
But boy, you know it ain't, it
ain't cheap, right?

548
00:28:18,120 --> 00:28:20,280
We don't have, we don't have all
this printing press stuff,

549
00:28:20,360 --> 00:28:22,720
right?
So you gotta save, save where

550
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:26,600
you can and and so, you know,
looking at that, that that you

551
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,680
know, and maybe people today,
maybe they are trying to take,

552
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:31,640
you know, maybe you get that
right person be like, hey,

553
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:32,880
gotcha.
Gotcha.

554
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,560
Yeah, Like it's like you think
you're taking Christ out, but

555
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:37,800
really you just put them back in
in a in a different way and.

556
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,840
And so much so if you, if you
look at, you know, Eastern

557
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:44,840
Orthodoxy, Roman Catholicism,
Church of England, Episcopalian

558
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:48,040
services, like they'll, they'll
incorporate this on purpose.

559
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:52,160
So you're like, oh, OK, so
you're, so you might be like

560
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:53,360
God, they've really gone
liberal.

561
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,760
But no, no, they're probably
probably even that.

562
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:59,600
So both Christmas and Xmas both
have Christ in there.

563
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:00,760
Yeah, yeah.
All right.

564
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,800
OK.
And lastly, December 25th.

565
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,360
Jesus, if it's not again, my
faith will be shaken if it's not

566
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:11,320
his actual birthday.
We sang the song A Magical Song

567
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,160
December 5 and 20.
Boom boom boom.

568
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:15,520
Do you know this song?
I don't know this.

569
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:19,920
Song shout out to the listeners
if you know know the song, it's

570
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:23,080
it's pretty, pretty cool.
It's like a, a magical song.

571
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:26,640
So a lot of our song, obviously
we're celebrating on December

572
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,520
25th.
Is it possible that Jesus was

573
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,760
born on December 25th?
Anything's possible.

574
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:34,440
Is it likely it's?
It's unlikely.

575
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:36,640
You think it's unlikely?
That it was on this exact day, I

576
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:37,840
think it's probably unlikely.
Yeah.

577
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:39,760
Well, I mean, yeah.
Do you think it's around

578
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:41,920
December 25th?
I think, I think it definitely

579
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,240
could have happened.
I just don't think it's most

580
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,760
likely December 25th.
I think it's like just as likely

581
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:48,880
could have been the 26th or the
24th, but you know what I'm

582
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:49,760
saying?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

583
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:54,320
So what I mean is, do you think
it was December 25th plus or

584
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,080
minus a month?
Probably, yeah, yeah, probably.

585
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,480
I, I think, I think, I think
high likelihood that it

586
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,880
happened.
But you know, anything's

587
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,320
possible, you know, when
pregnancies terms all all of

588
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,440
these things.
So let's look at the at the

589
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:06,960
mouth.
What?

590
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,720
How do we even, how do we even
wrap our minds around this

591
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,520
timing, Michael?
Well, unfortunately the Bible

592
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:16,720
doesn't give us any like clear
dates.

593
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:20,040
Now we will look at some
scripture at the very end that's

594
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:23,400
probably our best resource for
dating.

595
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,280
But the Bible just does not all
right, give us his birthday,

596
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,480
which makes sense because people
were not as concerned with

597
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,080
birthdays as we are in our
culture.

598
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:32,640
That's your day.
That's.

599
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,080
A good point.
So by the way, my kid was at a

600
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:39,520
birthday party.
They totally off subject and my

601
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:40,920
wife felt like this thing was
sweet.

602
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,280
It was like they it had like
they got like one of these like

603
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:47,600
video game trailers.
She was like, anyway, we are.

604
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:49,400
Get some.
Get it for the fellas.

605
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:51,360
Is it for the for the adult
guys?

606
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:52,640
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, all right.

607
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,160
She was like, So anyway,
thinking about people of

608
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,920
different, the way they view
birthdays, some people, I mean,

609
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,120
man, you can, you can really,
it's a lot different than the

610
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:02,880
hail birthdays.
Like we we try to celebrate and

611
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:06,080
have a good time, but man,
people can drop a lot of out of

612
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,360
cash.
Yeah, alright, so we have some

613
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:10,160
hints.
We know that when Jesus was born

614
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:11,880
there were shepherds tending
flocks.

615
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:17,040
Now I've heard all over the
place on this used both sides.

616
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:20,120
Like.
Though the shepherds wouldn't be

617
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:23,840
out there 'cause it was too cold
or, well, the shepherds could

618
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:27,880
have been out there because, you
know, they have mild winters and

619
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,360
it would have been bad.
It's all over.

620
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:33,800
See, things change season to
season.

621
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,560
You could have an unusually warm
season or unusually cold season.

622
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:38,240
That might change all of that.
Too.

623
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,040
Yeah, Yeah.
It could have been like, hey,

624
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,680
it's too, it's too warm.
We got to take the sheep out

625
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,280
away from the houses because
it's starting to be smelly or

626
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:46,760
something.
You know, we, we don't know.

627
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:51,120
So I would not put a lot of,
like, stock on this.

628
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:55,800
Some have suggested that it's a
date before October because

629
00:31:55,920 --> 00:32:00,160
after October it starts getting
cooler, but like you said, it

630
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,920
could even have been a
unseasonably warm week.

631
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,240
I mean, I mean, here in
Charleston, it's like every now

632
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:07,600
and then Thanksgiving is very
hot.

633
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,320
It's very cold.
It's like who, who knows?

634
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:15,080
Who knows?
We do have Mary and Elizabeth's

635
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:16,880
pregnancies.
So these are kind of based on

636
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:21,120
our two scripture that would
give us some evidence and we're

637
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:24,040
going to talk in depth about
marrying Elizabeth's pregnancies

638
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,960
at the end of this.
So we're going to we'll save

639
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,560
that to later.
So here are some just general

640
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:34,680
arguments in favor.
And and I guess around the 4th

641
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:39,680
century AD tradition was set up
that it was December 25th and so

642
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,560
it became recognized then.
I don't know that.

643
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:47,320
I wonder if that was during, was
that during Constantine as well,

644
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:49,600
would you say?
I mean, most likely, unless it

645
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:54,360
was really, really early, 3
hundreds, I would guess 'cause I

646
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:56,520
mean, and this is what you hear
and this is what we've been.

647
00:32:56,600 --> 00:33:00,080
I, I know this is tied to a
holiday, but it seems like, you

648
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,360
know, Constantine's mom or wife
or whoever had free reign to

649
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:06,120
like pick all of these things
like this is where Christ was

650
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:09,520
born and this is, this is the
date for this and, you know,

651
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:10,880
kind of call on some of the
shots.

652
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,120
Yeah.
And I've also heard, and I, I

653
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,800
didn't put it in here as an
argument for, but I've heard

654
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:21,120
that one of the reasons that
this date came about was that

655
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:28,040
Jewish folks believe that true
prophets died on the date that

656
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:35,000
they were conceived.
So Christ died around March 25th

657
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:40,480
and so he would be conceived
around March 25th. 9 months plus

658
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:44,360
three months is 1225.
So then they put the date around

659
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:46,800
12:25.
I I don't know.

660
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:49,440
I don't know what basis they
have.

661
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:54,760
But I, I, I, I've heard that
same thing going back to the 4th

662
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,080
century.
It seems like there's this Roman

663
00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:00,440
festival, this soul Invictus.
And, you know, things are

664
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,400
changing Christians.
So we're gonna, so maybe

665
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:04,480
Christians are like, hey, we're
gonna fight against this Pagan

666
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,000
ritual and we got our own thing
going on.

667
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,679
And I think this is where, you
know, you hear people say, hey,

668
00:34:10,679 --> 00:34:12,719
Christmas has Pagan origins or
something like that.

669
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:14,840
Might come from some stuff like
this too, I don't know.

670
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:21,159
What is the Annunciation?
Is that when he is that when he

671
00:34:21,159 --> 00:34:24,760
was crucified?
I'm not familiar with that term.

672
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:27,239
Question.
Good question.

673
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:28,120
You wanna?
You wanna?

674
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,280
I'll do a little quick Google.
I talked about, 'cause that may

675
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:36,719
be this point that we have in
here, may be what I just made.

676
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,400
Was that his crucifixion?
Let's find out.

677
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:44,880
It commemorates, oh, the visit
of the Archangel Gabriel to the

678
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:48,000
Virgin Mary.
That's the feast of Enunciation.

679
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:49,320
Is that what did this say?
Enunciation.

680
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:52,960
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So we have a note here.

681
00:34:53,320 --> 00:35:01,560
Hippolytus of Rome 170 to 235 AD
calculated December 5th as Jesus

682
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:03,680
birthday based on his
conception.

683
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,080
March 25th linked to the
enunciation.

684
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:06,760
That's right.
So.

685
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:10,400
So there I guess someone figured
out that Gabriel would have

686
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,320
come.
He made some calculation where

687
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:17,000
he determined Gabriel came on
March 25th and therefore 9

688
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,120
months later, December 25th.
Boom.

689
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:23,360
So there you go, Hippolytus.
Another thing to keep in mind

690
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,280
Roman census timing.
Look at looking to that familiar

691
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,640
passage, Luke 2 where the census
required Joseph and Mary to

692
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,920
travel.
It could have occurred during a

693
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:36,200
time of year feasible for
travel, likely after harvest,

694
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:40,240
before severe winter conditions.
So you got plenty we can travel.

695
00:35:40,240 --> 00:35:42,760
That kind of thing wouldn't make
as much sense.

696
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,840
If it's like, oh, we're gonna go
all this way and there's not

697
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:49,000
nothing means to get there and
people are dying for this census

698
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,000
would wouldn't be great.
Look for the for the empire

699
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:53,720
there.
Yeah, and I've also heard this

700
00:35:53,720 --> 00:35:57,200
used as the negative that, oh,
he wouldn't have made them

701
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:00,400
travel this time.
But remember, they were there

702
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,040
for a little bit and the days
were accomplished for her to be

703
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:04,800
married.
So it could have been like, hey,

704
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,640
they're going to travel
September, October, right around

705
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:10,520
the, you know, mild times when
there's harvest that's coming in

706
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,360
and then they just stay there.
So so that she's not travelling

707
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:14,640
when she's close to giving
birth.

708
00:36:15,240 --> 00:36:18,960
I like this next reason Jewish
festivals because Jesus birth

709
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:22,400
aligned with the piece of
dedication AKA Hanukkah in late

710
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,560
November to December celebrating
light entering the temple.

711
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:29,480
Symbolically, this linked to
Christ being the light of the

712
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:31,440
world.
I was in my mind, I'm just

713
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,480
trying to run through the
different I am statements like

714
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,680
bread of life.
Yeah, maybe the this festival

715
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,440
fits too, you know right.
Right, I guess, yeah.

716
00:36:39,720 --> 00:36:41,840
You could link it to all the
different ones that occurred

717
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:42,680
different times.
Yeah.

718
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:46,440
Astronomical events.
The star Bethlehem may

719
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:48,200
correspond to an astronomical
event.

720
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:51,800
Scholar suggests a conjunction
of Jupiter and Venus occurred in

721
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:59,640
December of 2 BC.
I'm not I'm not convinced that

722
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:05,120
the star that led the wise men
was astronomical because I know

723
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,920
some people have said well that
when he says that the star is

724
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:12,280
over the house that it was a
house like up there.

725
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:17,360
But my, I think the plain
reading of Matthew is that

726
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:21,680
somehow the wise men knew which
house was like they just walked

727
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:23,440
up to the house based on the
star.

728
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:27,480
But again, how did they, why
couldn't they have just done

729
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:28,680
that?
Why did they have to go to

730
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,560
Jerusalem to find out that it
was in Bethlehem if the star was

731
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:33,440
that pointed?
So there's a lot of unanswered

732
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,880
questions.
And there's one more reason some

733
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,760
symbolic theology.
Early Christians associated

734
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:42,360
Jesus birth with the Windsor
solstice, December 21st and

735
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:47,200
25th, symbolizing the Sun of
Righteousness from Malachi 4 as

736
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,280
days begin to lengthen.
So if you know anything, you

737
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,120
know days are getting shorter
and shorter and shorter than

738
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:52,840
around that 21st, 22nd,
whatever.

739
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:54,640
Then they start getting longer
and longer and longer all.

740
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:57,520
Right.
So here are some arguments

741
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:00,200
against and what you'll find,
because I've already alluded to

742
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,880
some of the same things that
people point to as in favor

743
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,960
they'll kind of flip it and try
to use it as an argument against

744
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:11,800
climatic conditions.
Again, it may have been too cold

745
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:13,440
for shepherds to be out at that
time.

746
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:17,600
Again, that thing's I wouldn't
say yay or nay based on that

747
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:19,760
alone.
Yeah, you know doing the Roman

748
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:23,120
since December, it's not
practical cause the bad weather

749
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,680
for travel conditions, but.
They could have been there for a

750
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:27,560
long for a while.
Yeah, they're hanging out.

751
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:33,680
Clement of Alexandria suggested
a spring date, May 20 or late

752
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:35,920
fall, November 18 for Jesus
birth.

753
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:37,000
So.
What we doing, Clement, just

754
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,080
covering all your bases, it
could be the fall or get this

755
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,240
guys the spring, right, That's
half the year.

756
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:46,440
That's right and the sole
Invictus that we just mentioned

757
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:51,160
it may just be too good of a
coincidence so maybe trying to

758
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:54,120
rewrite that Pagan holiday they
could have just said hey we're

759
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:57,200
going to put Jesus birth here
reclaim this day we're.

760
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:59,800
Already taking that day off, you
know, with the with the work

761
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,400
schedules and stuff, might as
well just keep it all intact.

762
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,720
That's right.
Symbolic date selection.

763
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,040
Well, Speaking of the winter
solstice just talked about that.

764
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,760
That's soul Invictus.
Maybe it was just chosen for the

765
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,520
symbolic reason light of the
world.

766
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:17,240
They may have used this date to
contrast Jesus, light of the

767
00:39:17,240 --> 00:39:20,400
word with the Pagan son God.
So similar a little a little bit

768
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:21,920
different.
What you'll what you'll find

769
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,160
here is there's a lack of early
church consensus.

770
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:29,360
If you can imagine, not everyone
was just like if.

771
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,800
We could just find his original
birth certificate, then we

772
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:34,200
wouldn't know.
That's a good question.

773
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:35,080
That's a good.
Point.

774
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,200
Just show us the birth
certificate and remember that

775
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:38,080
from.
Wouldn't it be great

776
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:40,720
archaeological evidence We got
this birth certificate?

777
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,480
This is interesting.
I don't know if we, you know,

778
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:48,080
want anything dogmatic here, but
to me, this is, like more.

779
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,720
We're about to talk, you know,
Alex gives me something to hang

780
00:39:50,720 --> 00:39:51,160
on to.
Yeah.

781
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:53,040
Yeah.
So I think this is the most

782
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:57,440
conclusive and there's three
scenarios here.

783
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:01,240
So I think the most conclusive
thing that you can know is that

784
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:07,880
John the Baptist was six months
older than Jesus because Mary

785
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:11,120
had just basically conceived.
We're not given an exact time,

786
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:15,000
but it was pretty early in her
conception that she goes and

787
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:18,840
visits Elizabeth and we know
that she's six months along.

788
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:22,280
And presumably we're making some
assumptions here.

789
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:27,280
But that Zacharias after he had
served his time the temple, he's

790
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,240
told, you know, you're going to
go home and you and your wife

791
00:40:30,240 --> 00:40:32,720
are going to conceive.
We assume that that happened in

792
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:36,400
fairly short order.
So with those assumptions, I

793
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,440
think this is the best evidence
where you can try to and I think

794
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:41,720
you kind of get three.
Well, you'll see there's three

795
00:40:41,720 --> 00:40:48,240
different likely I like.
I like this a lot.

796
00:40:48,240 --> 00:40:51,800
So if you kind of like get an
idea of how the priests serve,

797
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:53,960
what was the priestly courses
order?

798
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:57,320
There are 24 priestly courses.
If you're reading First

799
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:00,560
Chronicles 24/7 through 19, you
can see some some of these at

800
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:03,360
each course served in the temple
for one week.

801
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:07,040
So I like that there's some sort
of, you know, time tracking we

802
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:10,040
can do starting on the Sabbath
and this rotate it twice every

803
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,880
year.
All courses also served during

804
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,760
major festivals, things like
Passover, Pentecost, piece of

805
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,680
Tabernacles.
So you kind of start getting

806
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:20,120
that there's a method to it.
Madness.

807
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:21,960
Zechariah as a priest.
We can start trying to do a

808
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:23,240
little bit of math here.
Yeah.

809
00:41:23,240 --> 00:41:27,640
So Zach, yeah, it's like you
said, he's a priest, he's in the

810
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:34,240
lineage of Abijah.
And so all of those who were of

811
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:40,040
eligible of Abijah would get
cast lots and the lot fell to

812
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:45,080
Zacharias and so he Zechariah.
I think, yeah, Zechariah.

813
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:48,480
And he would have been chosen
for his time.

814
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:52,000
And since it was of the Abijah,
we would have known it wouldn't

815
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:53,680
be Passover, Pentecostal
Tabernacle.

816
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:57,600
So we've been one of the two
times that Abijah would have

817
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:02,040
served.
And so the first time is the

818
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:06,040
first rotation is somewhere
between late May in early June.

819
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:08,400
So the third month is Sivan.
Sivan.

820
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,000
I'm not, I don't know how to
pronounce that.

821
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:12,440
Me either.
And then the second rotation

822
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,480
would have been late November to
early December.

823
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:18,760
So that would have been the 9th
month in the Jewish calendar.

824
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:21,080
And I'll let you say this one,
Kislev.

825
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:22,560
Kislev.
Yeah, sounds great.

826
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:25,960
I think it gets tricky because
is there a late month thrown in

827
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:27,960
there?
Do you add this, do you shift

828
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:31,120
the second rotation to
mid-october to early November?

829
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,440
You know, if that happens, the
fall, you know at that time.

830
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:36,160
Right, Yeah.
So that, so that's how you get

831
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:40,040
your three different options the
the two normal or if it was a

832
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:46,240
leap month ADAR 2 was added that
would have shifted it to early

833
00:42:46,720 --> 00:42:49,280
mid-october to early November.
Great.

834
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:51,480
So hopefully you're tracking all
of that so far.

835
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:55,280
Going back to Zechariah
Elizabeth conception of John the

836
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:58,240
Baptist, you'll look at Luke
chapter 1, verses 5 through 7.

837
00:42:58,240 --> 00:43:02,040
Zechariah, a priest of the
division of Abijah, was serving

838
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,680
in the temple when the Angel
Gabriel appeared to him,

839
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,240
announcing that his wife
Elizabeth, would bear a son,

840
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:11,240
John the Baptist.
A few verses later, verses 23

841
00:43:11,240 --> 00:43:14,320
and 24, after Zechariah's
service, he returned home and

842
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:17,080
Elizabeth conceived.
So we can put these things like

843
00:43:17,240 --> 00:43:19,040
pretty close together.
Right, right.

844
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:23,880
And so once we know that, we can
kind of time it out.

845
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:30,960
So we know that Gabriel
announces Mary's conception in

846
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:36,920
Luke 126 through 36 and that
Mary is going to visit

847
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:39,680
Elizabeth.
John is going to leap in her

848
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:45,080
womb, and so Jesus would have
been born approximately 9 months

849
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:48,760
after Mary's conception.
So that would have been six

850
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:53,840
months after John's birth.
So John's about six months older

851
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:56,400
than Jesus.
So we're looking at our options

852
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:58,280
for timing.
If we go with that first

853
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:02,680
rotation, you know, late May,
early June, John's conception

854
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:06,160
early June, Gabriel visits Mary
in December, that's six months

855
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:07,960
later.
Like we talked about placing

856
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,840
Jesus birth September of the
following year, which I don't

857
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:12,400
hate.
Yeah, maybe maybe Jesus and

858
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:14,960
myself had the same birthday,
right?

859
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:21,360
That's like option number one.
Option number two things shift.

860
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:25,120
Where John's conception would be
in early December, Gabriel

861
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:29,360
visits Mary in June and then
Jesus birth March of the

862
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:31,720
following year.
Yep, that's an option.

863
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:40,000
Or if it were a leap year then
that would shift his rotation to

864
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:44,040
mid-october to early November.
John's conception would be late

865
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:48,760
October, early November, Gabriel
visiting Mary late March,

866
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:52,720
Jesus's birth late December.
Boom.

867
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:56,760
Can we look up?
I'd be curious to look up leap

868
00:44:56,760 --> 00:45:00,760
years going back to this idea
that if we know Herod died in

869
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:04,200
four BC, I wonder what what when
the leap years were because you

870
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:07,320
probably couldn't been born in
15 BC.

871
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:09,520
I mean, just based on you know
what I mean?

872
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:12,440
So like you can at least maybe
narrow it down to like is a leap

873
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:14,760
year right there or not?
Really.

874
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:16,400
Is is is there one?
Yeah, yeah.

875
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:19,000
That'd be interesting.
Yeah, maybe we maybe we can do

876
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:23,720
some homework because and our
next one, we'll talk about the

877
00:45:23,720 --> 00:45:26,040
actual year that Jesus born, you
know, the next.

878
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:30,880
Week, so maybe we can tie in.
And and and go from there.

879
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:32,400
That's good.
So I hope I hope you hung in

880
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,080
there with the the different
math in the year.

881
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:36,640
I I think maybe.
I can put something up here that

882
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:38,440
kind of gives the three
different options.

883
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:41,520
And, and again, there's some
assumptions here, you know,

884
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:45,080
maybe something was delayed, you
know, on that first September 1,

885
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:47,640
maybe took three months for
Elizabeth to get pregnant.

886
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:49,720
Seems unlikely, but could have
been.

887
00:45:49,720 --> 00:45:51,720
And then that would have pushed
it into December, you know.

888
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:54,440
Other thing is, you know, two of
my kids were born at, you know,

889
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:58,240
30-4 weeks or whatever.
You know, some kids may be born

890
00:45:58,240 --> 00:46:00,000
at 42 weeks.
So you get, you know, maybe,

891
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:01,560
maybe some of that is that play
too?

892
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:04,240
Yeah.
So bottom line is we don't know

893
00:46:04,240 --> 00:46:07,120
that it's December 25th.
I I think some people are like

894
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:10,880
Jesus was not born on December
25th, therefore we should not be

895
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:12,440
celebrating Christmas.
I don't.

896
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:14,160
That's not the take away.
Not.

897
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:17,280
Not the take away.
I'm pretty confident Jesus was

898
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:18,800
born.
Hang in there with me.

899
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:23,320
Between January 1st and December
31st, yeah.

900
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:27,040
Somewhere in there, I would, I
would wager, yeah, I would bet

901
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:27,920
on that one.
So.

902
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:29,800
Just trying to get out the
truth, you know, we want the

903
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:33,920
truth.
So thanks for, you know, staying

904
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:35,280
with us for this Christmas
episode.

905
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:39,360
We've got more Christmas Truth
episodes coming up.

906
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:41,760
That's right.
That's our take.

907
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:46,400
Thanks for listening to Take 2.
Find us wherever you find

908
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:49,160
podcast and on YouTube for those
who want to watch our video

909
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:49,600
cast.