The True Story of Christmas Part 3

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Feeling kind of tired?
Yeah, you are.

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You're saying?
Yeah, big day today.

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Yeah, big day of three in a row.
So this is our 3rd and final

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performance for House of
Holidays.

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A little bit of a performance
emotional high.

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Like you come off of it and
you're like, I love you guys.

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That's great, you know?
And just kind of prepares you

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for the high that is doing our
podcast.

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It's kind of the same thing just
gave.

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I heard it went very well.
Yeah, that's what I'm told,

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Yeah.
So a lot of people, I guess have

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not heard me sing in upper
musical operatic type registers.

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You know, I I keep it pretty
chill for church and stuff, but

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you know they don't.
Really.

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Unleash the beasts.
Yeah, let let that voice box

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free, you know what I mean?
One one person said that quote.

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They need to let you loose like
that at church sometimes.

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Let you loose.
We've been, he's been.

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He's been caged.
Yeah.

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Yeah, how about next time you
lead just all songs up a

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register as high as you can go?
That's what that's what people

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want.
It is probably what they it is

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probably what they want, yeah.
Yeah, that'd be funny.

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Well, well, yeah, Congrats on.
I know there's a lot of practice

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and then like the the big
weekend of performance and now.

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Yeah, what are you next week?
I mean, Christmas, hopefully

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it's not a yeah like you're
saying coming off that high

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down, you know?
Traditionally next week is

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pretty busy.
Monday night, Tuesday night,

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Wednesday night are all taken.
Thursday night I think we're

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going to do something, Friday
night we're packing and Saturday

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we're on the road.
On the road.

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Busy busy times.
Wow.

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Well, different busyness.
My car died on me.

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This.
Week.

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Oh my goodness.
We're down to 1 vehicle.

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How did it die?
Well, it's not technically dead,

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it just is expensive to keep
going.

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Is it the battery that?
No, not the battery.

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You would think so.
So the I got a 2013 Prius

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actually really like it.
Did not know if I was going to

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like it.
I'm like, I mean it was my

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parents gave it to me, which was
great and then I've actually

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grown to love it.
Get over, you know, 50 miles per

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gallon.
Usually it's 2013 batteries

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going good.
The brakes, however, don't go as

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well, and it turns out that's
important for driving and.

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Now, is that what was the
problem when you got that

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traffic citation?
Was it your brakes?

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It it was not well, my brakes
technically worked, then what

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happened?
Maybe you know more about cars

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than I do.
I, I guarantee you do like that.

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ABS light came on, brakes and
all red came on, the little

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squiggly thing came on and my
car just would always beep beep

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beep beep at me.
So, you know, naturally finish

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out your work day, drive around
a little bit.

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The brakes still worked.
If you like pressed really,

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really hard.
They just it was not working

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like with you know, you have to
like I like stand on the brakes

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to get to get them works.
They technically do work.

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They said it needed a new like
ABS controller or computer.

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So whatever is central to
regulating all that.

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It's like 4000 bucks.
Some electric cars like actually

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create a magnetic field around
it to try to recoup some of the

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energy regenerative so and that
helps slow it down.

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Is that is that what went out or
no?

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That that might have gone out
too, because it just doesn't

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feel doesn't like you felt.
You can feel that when that's

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kind of gone.
So that's out there and this is

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what the dealership said like
need to need to.

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That's 4000 bucks and they're
like, you've got other whatever

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other stuff wrong.
That's I don't know how much

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other stuff that's true or not,
but I'm like, yeah, maybe I need

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to get a new car.
Then I'm looking at new cars.

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I don't know if you know this,
things have gotten expensive

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lately.
Yeah, this is like, so I mean,

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if we're my the transition in my
truck, it works.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But every now and like every now

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and then it just does not shift
smoothly and I haven't driven it

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even a lot because I've been in
my expedition mostly because of

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this.
And so like.

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It's like, do I do I even want
to find out, you know, it's

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like.
Yeah, it's, it's one of those

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things.
And so I started my car search

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and it was, I mean, everyone
says that things are expensive,

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but looking at it, I was like,
I'll just get a cheap little

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Civic or Corolla and it's like
you're still spending a lot of

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money.
It's like, and so I'm bringing

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this up an impact.
And of course, Christopher Hawk,

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Steven Bostick are like Tesla's
the answer.

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Go talk to Clay.
Clay will talk you into Tesla

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and.
I don't, yeah.

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So, so we're going down, going
down the rabbit hole.

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So the the thing that's in it's
crazy is like, well, and I'm, I

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don't know enough about cars.
I'm not buying them from like a

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third party or something, which
I could do and get it checked

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out.
I'm just, I'm just like, I just

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need like warranties and that
kind of thing.

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I just want to have, you know, I
don't know enough about cars.

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And it's like I can buy a 2019
Corolla for $17,000 or it's

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like, you're already or, you
know, so I don't know.

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Clay makes some compelling
points with the with the tax

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credit, I could probably get a
Tesla cheaper than a Corolla of

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the same year, which is kind of
crazy.

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Yeah, but you know, it's you're
relying on the electric side of

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things.
So I.

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Don't know.
It is a tough, tough time out

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there in the economy.
Like it feels like we've had

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several car things and then like
inflation, it's like times are

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times are tight.
Times are tight, so I mean, I

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don't know what we do.
So like and subscribe, share the

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podcast.
That's where we're getting at.

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You know, we didn't want to come
right out and say it, but yeah,

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we'll see.
We'll see the car hunt go goes

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on and maybe, maybe Michael
picking up a few gigs and the

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voice production maybe can, you
know, make some extra cash that

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way.
Did we talk about some guy

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asking me?
No, I don't think we talked

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about it on air.
Yeah, some guy.

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So I read this part.
I wrote out this part that I

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read and it's in the background
like, well, one of my students

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was like, I saw you and I
thought, is he?

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And like you, you were reading
that part.

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And I was like, yes, but I wrote
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They were my words.
So it feels like it's like not

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too scripty, scripty.
But he was like, do you record?

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He's like, do you record
podcasts or not podcasts?

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Do you record audiobooks?
And I was like, no.

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And I, I've actually, there's a
acx.com I think is the audible

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you can like, you could go out
there.

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There are authors who have books
that they want, you know, they

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want you to like submit.
So they have like a chapter that

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you read and you submit and
stuff.

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I was like, no, I actually have
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I, I, I put in for like two or
three that I thought were, you

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know, you'd, there's some genres
I just would not want to read

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obviously clearly.
And then, but I was looking for

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like maybe the fantasy
children's books or like

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religious books, but didn't get
picked up.

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And honestly, I, I just haven't
thought to go back and look

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'cause I I've been too busy,
'cause if I did get selected,

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man, just it takes quite a bit
to 'cause you're, it's like

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depending on how long it is, you
8 hours is the finished product.

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But that's like.
Not previewing anything or you

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know, I'm sure there's takes and
yeah, just.

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It'd be easy, just.
But then he said, do you do you

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make a living with your voice?
And I was like, but you?

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Should yeah.
So maybe, yeah, maybe this was

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your big break and you got you
got out there and maybe you'll

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be catapulted.
So a lot of great things we're

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continuing on Christmas, which
fits right into at least your

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production.
Not as much, you know, not as

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much as my car problems.
But you know, we're in the we're

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in the Christmas spirit.
We're getting after the truth.

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Got a few topics I'm excited to
talk about, you know, so let's

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take it to the next level from
the hearts of the low country in

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South Carolina.
It's the Take Two podcast where

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we take theology to the next
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Oh, Christmas tree.
Oh, oh, Christmas tree.

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I I struggle with that song
because it's so Pagan.

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Well, that that song probably is
Pagan before we even launch into

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Christmas trees.
Christmas trees before I forget

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Mr. B, my archnemesis, according
to you, it dropped recently

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dropped a video and it was some
pastor who was using a verse out

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of context from Isaiah.
And basically the verse is

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talking about taking a tree
down, cutting, cutting it,

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facing with hammers and nails
and worshipping it and bringing

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it into your home.
And like, Mr. B's, like there's

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so much context that you left
out.

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Like you left out that they are.
It said something like adorning

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it with gold and silver.
That's definitely tied in about

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America.
It was Christmas trees, right?

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And it's like, there's so much.
So like he kind of gives the

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other context, like this is
clearly someone's making an idol

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and bringing it into your house
and worshipping it.

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And if you're doing that?
We shouldn't worship our

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Christmas trees.
I've been doing it wrong, OK.

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Yeah, but but you but.
You hear, you hear, you hear

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that?
Like Christmas or Pagan, you

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know.
Well, I hear that sometimes not

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enough for people, like most
people not to use Christmas

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trees.
But there are a few people like,

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hey, we just don't do that in
our house because of the Pagan

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origins, you know?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So I will I will link that video
in the Doobly Doo.

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I don't I think that's people
don't call it the Doobly Doo

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anymore.
That's like 15 years old, but

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I'll still in the description.
Yes, yes.

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But yeah, so like you said,
Christmas trees, are they are

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they Pagan origin?
Let's let's get to the root of

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the matter, the truth.
Because I there is some truth

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that Europeans may have
worshipped trees in some

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capacity, whether we're
connecting up to a Christmas

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tree or not.
You know, I think, I think

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there's validity to something
like that.

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Yeah, especially if it, you
know, if you live in the

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northern climes, you know, like
where you would see a lot of

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moose.
Like where?

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New Hampshire, right.
Apparently you don't see Moose

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yet.
Where you would think you would

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see a lot of.
Moose, that's where it snows.

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You know, you get a lot of snow
in the winter and you have some

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trees that are dropping their
leaves.

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But then you have some trees
like holly trees and fir trees

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and spruce trees and a plant
slash fungus called mistletoe.

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They all stay green, right?
All year round.

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All year round they're
Evergreen.

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And so there were there were
people who thought that there

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was something special about
these trees that stayed green

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all all around and kept the life
in them through winter when

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everything else died.
And so I'm they, they did, they

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did have a special role in, in
some folks, religion.

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Yeah.
But what what I as we're, you

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know, looking up this history,
what I like are missionaries

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that take matters into their own
hands.

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That's.
Right.

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Yeah, yeah.
You just gotta, you gotta take

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care of that.
That's right, Say Boniface, 8th

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century missionary.
Legend has it he chopped down a

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sacred oak tree, is what this
says.

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Worshipped by pagans.
And he replaced it, I guess.

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Yeah.
With a fir tree using that

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triangular shape to teach about
the Trinity, which if there's

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anything we learned about the
Trinity, you want to have a

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object to use because can't go
wrong.

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Yeah.
And from what I've read, it's

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the legend has it that yeah, you
hear something.

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Like that?
Supposed to have lived in this

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tree and he was like, well, I'll
show you how big this Norse God

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is.
Chop, chop, chop.

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And then down goes the tree.
Probably made some good fire

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firewood and then replaced it
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and said, all right, this is
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You know, you can look at this
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these Pagan connections are not

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as you can't make that
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So you're kind of like, OK,
there's something there and

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you're kind of grasping at it.
You can make some connections

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with Christians and use of
Christmas trees though, which is

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that's a pro pro Christmas tree,
you know argument.

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Yeah, I mean, you could also
make a connection that pagans,

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you know, killed certain animals
and ate them, and maybe they

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even did it ritualistically, but
that doesn't mean we shouldn't

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kill anybody.
I don't, I don't do anything or

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eat anything or drink anything
about Pagan's done it, Michael.

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So I'm a Christian.
Right, So there are

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similarities, but I the
differences are where it's, you

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know, make the distinction.
And so if if I'll just go on

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record.
If you are bringing a Christmas

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tree into your house and it is
part of a religious ceremony and

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you're worshipping it and you're
praising its life giving source,

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that is wrong.
Don't do that.

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Stop doing that for your
Christmas tree.

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But if you're not doing that,
like it's just a decorative,

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decorative, festive thing, I
think you're you're good.

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Well, let's, let's go back in
time to, you know, recent modern

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history.
I'm going to take you to Latvia

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in the 1500s.
We're in the time near the

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Renaissance.
We, we can look at Strasbourg in

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1521 and, and really that's like
the earliest record of Evergreen

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trees as you know in connection
with Christmas explicitly.

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And we've got a little bit of,
you know, history that kind of

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confolds that's a little bit
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kind of get to where we are
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Yeah.
And there I just have a note

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here that earlier uses of
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celebrations likely existed.
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Evergreen boughs, you know, you
might cut off some branches and

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stuff like a little wreath,
maybe as early as as 4th

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century.
Oh, so some of this so in a

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Christian capacity, maybe it's
not in the Christmas like a like

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what we, you know, we're doing,
but there is some of that

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connection a little bit.
If you do look, if we, you know,

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way Fast forward, get to some of
the, you know, medieval times,

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there were plays that went on
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different biblical themes,
especially those that talked

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about the nativity.
They would like link it with the

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story of creation.
We're kind of, you know, so

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you've got, you know, some
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they had, you know, every now
and then these paradise trees

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that that were used to symbolize
the Garden of Eden in these

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nativity plays.
Wouldn't that be, you don't see

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Garden of Eden that reference
these days in, in Christmas

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cantatas, huh?
But they'd be before maybe on

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Christmas Eve because that was
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Adam and Eve.
So you got some of these ideas

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running and you know there was
some fruit or these wafers that

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were on there that maybe
symbolized the uke.

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It wasn't popcorn.
Probably a little bit, but

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maybe, I don't know if when you
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where people are like, that's
close enough.

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But what's funny is that some of
these plays were banned in the

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1500s, I think because they were
overly sinful.

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Might be the wrong word, but you
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to plays or something like that,
you know, and they were maybe

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changed to private homes and
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And so you can kind of see, you
know, some of this stuff in

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culture starting to give a
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Christmas.
Yeah.

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And you can see how, like fruit,
you know, some people still put

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like orange slices on a tree or
cranberries.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And you know, the pastries, you

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know, we always have pastries,
but you know, we still have

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pastries like cookies and stuff
that, that are there.

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And then we got this guy.
You may or may not have heard of

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him.
Martin Luther.

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Not ringing a bell, Michael.
OK, Yeah, he, he was a Catholic,

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and then he decided to start his
own religion.

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He started his own religion,
Lutheranism.

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But yeah.
So he's credited with decorating

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an Evergreen with candles to
illustrate the night sky filled

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with stars.
We don't know that this is true.

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It may be romanticized.
It may have grown into legend,

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however, apparently he did.
He was big on Christmas

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celebrations in general.
That's my, that's my guy there

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'cause I'm I'm big on Christmas.
Celebrations, Martin Luther

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coming, coming through.
And so, you know, if we're

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thinking around that time
period, 16 hundreds, 1700s, this

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custom of Christmas trees gained
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Some Lutheran clergies like,
hey, Martin Luther, stop having

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fun.
This is a distraction.

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You can kind of see the
parallels maybe in today where

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someone's like, OK, it's getting
overly commercialized and

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materialistic.
It's distracting us from Jesus.

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That's that's the whole reason.
And even these wooden pyramids

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that had candles were often
placed alongside trees.

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And so you start connecting
like, OK, maybe an ornament,

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maybe a light Christmas light,
these kind of things until it

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really started taking off.
I mean, fashion setter,

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trendsetter, drinking the cool,
the coffee before it's cool.

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That's how you know your
hipster.

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That, that's right, Queen
Victoria Trent, said Herman.

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She's drinking her probably tea
into the coffee that pinky high

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in the air.
I'm sure up in there.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So apparently Queen Victoria was

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a fan of Christmas trees, had
it.

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You know, there were some images
illustrated magazines from her

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decorated house in the Victorian
middle class households saw

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these and man, it just went like
wildfire.

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Like Queen Victoria has a
Christmas tree decorated.

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We're going to have a Christmas
tree decorated.

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And that was across well the
English speaking worlds like

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Britain and Americas and stuff
like.

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That, yeah.
And around the same time, you

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know, people are coming to the
US, people are immigrating and

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we, you know, go back to Martin
Luther.

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We have some of this German,
this Dutch influence that kind

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of are bringing some of these.
Yeah, yeah, these traditions and

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and by 1800s like America does
best we commercialize Christmas

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to the fullest.
We mass produce these things,

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lights, ornaments, gifts under
the tree.

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We don't, I guess they used to
hang the gifts like in the tree,

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which it's hard to put, you
know, 30 gifts like on the tree.

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You know we have to buy so many
gifts.

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Now, well, I wonder.
Yeah, and the gifts probably

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were not as large.
Yeah, probably I.

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Say that maybe they, maybe they
weren't.

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Yeah, maybe Christmas was
bigger.

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Maybe.
Yeah, that that's good.

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And then 1822 we get this poem
Twas the night before Christmas.

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And that kind of helped
associate all these trees with

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this family centered peaceful
Christmas celebration that that

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replaced maybe these other trees
that were less family friendly.

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Yeah.
And so some people have tried to

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kind of connect the dots between
a Christmas tree and

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Christianity.
And like, if if you have a tree

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in your house and you don't make
these connections, I think

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you're fine.
Again, like, as long as you're

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not worshipping your Christmas
tree, I think you're good to go.

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But you could look at your
Christmas tree and make some

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some of these connections, like,
hey, it stays green in the

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winter.
I'm going to use that to remind

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me of, you know, Christ's
victory over death and the fact

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that we can have eternal life
through him.

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Another one, you know, Isaiah 11
one talks about Jesus the

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Messiah as a shoot coming up
from the stump of Jesse.

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I mean, maybe that's a
connection you could make.

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And then we've already kind of
talked about this in one of our

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bonus episodes.
But you know, Jesus has the

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light of the world entering into
the darkness.

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Of course, if you have those
lights on there that, you know,

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that can kind of set a, a
standard, you know, a reminder

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of we are in a Dark World.
That's right, the light is

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shining through.
Wow, so just to kind of put a

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bow on on Christmas trees, you
know, you see some Christian

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heritage, some traditions
evolving.

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You know, you can't, you're,
it's not like it was like, oh,

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this Norse God.
Now we got Christmas.

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You know, you can kind of kind
of be a little more educated on

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that.
I I do, we can transition

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briefly here to Christmas lights
because I don't know how how

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well founded this is, but again,
if you do a quick Google search,

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your boy Martin Luther comes up.
Yeah, he's going to show up.

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And, and we kind of already
touched on this a little bit

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with Christmas tree, because
often people put lights on their

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Christmas tree.
Are are y'all, do y'all, do

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y'all have a Christmas tree?
We do.

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And is it lit?
Is it?

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Is it lit?
It is lit.

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Christmas is lit at the.
Alehouse.

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And what color lights do y'all
have?

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Oh, I, I feel like this is.
I feel like you're setting me up

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for.
I'm just curious because it

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seems like there's two
different, like there's two main

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groups, there's the I.
Need to check.

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I think it's like, I think it's
like blue.

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Oh, Blue.
I think I'll have to check.

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So there are the, I think there
are the maybe there's three

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groups.
There's the white light purist.

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That's us, that's us.
We just like everything in white

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lights.
And then there's like the single

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light purist, they're like a
level down.

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So it sounds like if you are
blue lights, that's real.

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And then there's the people that
have all these multi colored

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lights on there.
Yeah, that was me growing up.

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But I've I have.
I have.

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Newer child you I've I've.
Grown a matured.

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Yeah, yeah.
There you go.

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But yeah, lights on a tree,
lights on a house, you know,

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whatever.
This should kind of again point

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us to Jesus, help us, remind us
of that.

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And, and there really is no
historical evidence that Martin

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Luther ran with this.
So whoever is Martin Luther's

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like PR guy, let's get him
because I love that he gets all,

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all credit for so many things.
That is a very good I.

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I have heard about a number of
fires though, from real candles

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on which.
One that PR tragic that is E.

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So thankfully 1882 Edward H
Johnson, a close friend of

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Thomas Edison, Edison created
the first electric Christmas

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tree light replacing candles
safer alternative than they kind

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of proliferated throughout
everything today.

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Wow my wife grew up in in Maine.
She every Christmas I she got we

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got a great video of our.
New Hampshire.

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Yeah, you did.
Maine, yeah.

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She will take offense to that.
She's got, she's actually, if

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you walk into her house, she's
got a chalkboard.

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And she'll be I knew add.
One strike against Michael,

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you're up to like 6 strikes.
I knew it was bad.

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No, I'm just kidding.
Yeah, but you know, Luana's from

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New Hampshire and they're,
they're close.

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They're all New England.
States yeah, yeah, you're, are

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you saying they're all the same?
Like, you know.

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They all cheer for the Patriots
so.

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She used to go and chop down her
own Christmas tree.

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You know we did not do that in
Memphis, TN.

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No, we didn't do it either in
Arkansas.

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And well, so you know, I, I was
born in Michigan.

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Oh, that's true.
So my three older sisters, you

449
00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:31,600
know, my youngest sister is 8
years older than me.

450
00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:34,760
And so they have memories of
doing those things in, in

451
00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:37,760
Michigan and they they would
talk about is there some place

452
00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:39,840
we can go chop down a tree?
And we're always like, not

453
00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:41,760
unless you want a scraggly pine
tree, dude.

454
00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:43,640
Because we maybe we talked about
this on the podcast.

455
00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:45,840
We did that when we first got
married, Elena, we're like, oh,

456
00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:47,760
we're going to go chop down a
tree.

457
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:51,240
And my wife was like devastated.
She's like, why are we even

458
00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:53,120
calling this a tree farm?
Like what are we doing here?

459
00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:54,560
Like, because it's exactly what
you said.

460
00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:56,480
It's like a Bush.
Like it's like, it's, it just

461
00:22:56,480 --> 00:23:01,840
wasn't, wasn't good.
And so that's two things we hit

462
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:05,640
and it seemed like a natural
transition to go from Christmas

463
00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:08,160
tree to Christmas lights to what
year was Jesus born?

464
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:12,680
So if you remember the last
podcast, we ended with on what

465
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:16,680
day Jesus was born and we were
kind of, we kind of looked at

466
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:22,320
all of the different evidences
and a lot of the things people,

467
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:26,200
you know, the same piece of
evidence, people will use it

468
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:29,680
both directions, you know, but
one of the things we talked

469
00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:32,800
about was, you know, probably
the best way we can narrow it

470
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:37,320
down is, and you're still making
some assumptions here was John

471
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:41,400
the Baptist birth and Jesus
being six months after that.

472
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:45,640
And we said there were three
different possibilities of, you

473
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:49,240
know, where that course of
Abijah went, either the early or

474
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:53,680
late and also late leap year
would have put it in a

475
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:55,520
different, different time span.
So.

476
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:59,560
Do, do, do do your research.
We we laid it out for you.

477
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:03,280
And so when we think of when
Jesus was born, wouldn't it be

478
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:08,280
nice if he was born just, you
know, 0. 80 right zero, 80

479
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:12,040
counting.
'S hard calendars are hard and

480
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:13,480
people make mistakes.
That's right.

481
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,800
Yeah.
So the first thing is there is

482
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:22,800
no zero 80.
It goes from one BC to 180.

483
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:27,440
How do you feel about that?
I mean, as a mathematician, I

484
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,560
still draw the zero, like it at
1 January, but like it's like,

485
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,720
it's like a line that never, you
know, it's like that year,

486
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,160
'cause you're going, yeah,
you're going the other direction

487
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,880
and this year.
So, well, naturally then, Jesus

488
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,440
was born on 180.
Right.

489
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:46,640
Yeah, unfortunately, you know,
people did their best using, you

490
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:50,320
know, things they had.
But we know for sure, and you

491
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:53,280
googled it last podcast that we
were talking about this stuff

492
00:24:53,720 --> 00:25:00,080
that Herod the Great died 4 BC,
actually in April of four BC.

493
00:25:00,360 --> 00:25:02,840
There we go.
So we know that Jesus had to be

494
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:08,520
born before that because you
know, of the wise men and and

495
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,680
all of that.
And then Jesus's family going to

496
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,880
Egypt for some period of time.
We're not told how long to

497
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:16,200
escape.
You know Herod.

498
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:20,480
So then you have to think, OK,
we know for sure before then,

499
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:22,520
and we might have alerted this
last time.

500
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:26,600
People are like, well, let's do
we look at all the astronomical

501
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,600
signs or was it a total
supernatural thing?

502
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:31,600
Or was it like, can we look?
A lot of people like to look at

503
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:33,400
the how did things line up, you
know?

504
00:25:34,120 --> 00:25:36,080
Yeah, that is good.
Yeah.

505
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,720
So we had the Star of Bethlehem
and there was a conjunction of

506
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:43,640
Jupiter and Venus in two BC.
But guess what, that's not far

507
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,360
back enough, so take that one
off the books because he's got

508
00:25:46,360 --> 00:25:51,080
to be before 4.
BCA comet observed in 5 BC.

509
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,600
You know, I don't know.
Yeah, I, I, I and I don't want

510
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:58,360
to.
I'm not being pessimistic here,

511
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:04,720
but I feel like there's like a
astronomical things happen every

512
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:05,520
year.
Everyone's like, hey, go

513
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:07,160
outside.
It's like every weekend there's

514
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:08,800
something happening.
Like it means nothing to me

515
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:10,120
because it's like it happens all
the time.

516
00:26:10,360 --> 00:26:12,760
Look, this thing only happens
every thousand years, but

517
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:14,760
there's something like that,
like, all the time.

518
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,240
So I'll just catch the next one.
You know, I don't, I don't feel

519
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:18,880
so bad.
They're like, oh, Mars is out

520
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:20,880
there again.
I thought that was cool.

521
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:21,520
Yeah.
Right.

522
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:22,640
Are you making fun of me 'cause
last?

523
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:26,880
But when I was a kid, I was
like, oh, Mars is going to be

524
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:28,800
out.
And then I'm like, oh, I can do

525
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:30,960
this almost all the time.
Not all the time, but it's like

526
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,240
it happens frequently enough.
Yeah, yeah.

527
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,000
So just last time we got done
recording, we walked out and I

528
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,440
was like, man, that looks like
Mars.

529
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:40,960
It is just bright and red.
And I pulled out, I got a little

530
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:42,680
app because some of us care
about these things.

531
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,480
No, I'm not saying I don't care.
Clearly not everyone does, but I

532
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:47,200
pulled my app and boom it was
Mars.

533
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,360
So I was like, my Mars is bright
tonight.

534
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,080
Yeah, I think you said that's a
direct quote because all I'm

535
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,320
saying is if you wanted to tie
it to something, I'm sure we

536
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:56,880
could.
I mean, maybe not.

537
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,080
There's enough things going on
where you can look for for

538
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:02,040
whatever.
Unless it was just like,

539
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:04,600
cataclysmic, like major thing,
yeah.

540
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:06,720
And it's not clear to me that it
was astronomical.

541
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,000
I I don't know.
We don't get, we don't have a

542
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:13,240
lot of and I've, I've been under
preaching where like they were

543
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:18,280
thundering like it was some type
of star, like, and the light

544
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:23,040
just hit the house and it was a
actual literal star.

545
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:27,280
I'm like, you know, the sun's
the closest star to us.

546
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,920
You know, I, none of that kind
of makes sense to me.

547
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,680
So I, I don't know, maybe it was
just a supernatural light.

548
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,640
But then I wonder, you know, we
kind of talked about this again,

549
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,760
I, I just have questions.
I, I, I want answered when I,

550
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:44,240
when, when we get to heaven.
But like, why did the why did

551
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,240
the wise men have to go to
Jerusalem but then go to

552
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,520
Bethlehem to find it?
You know, maybe, I don't know,

553
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:51,640
maybe it was, maybe it was
astronomical.

554
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:53,800
Yeah.
I think that's a good way to

555
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:55,720
land it like, hey, it could have
been anything.

556
00:27:56,360 --> 00:27:59,920
What's interesting, the downside
is there's not, you know, just

557
00:27:59,920 --> 00:28:03,160
evidence of lockdown, but we're
all familiar with the census

558
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,760
that happens in Loop 2.
There's some, there's some

559
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:10,160
debate that in that six to four
BC time frame, Herod had a

560
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,720
census, which that'd be, that'd
be really nice if we could like

561
00:28:13,120 --> 00:28:15,760
nail that down, but it's like up
in the air again.

562
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:20,480
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So we we have some possible

563
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:24,800
birth years, three to four BC is
the most widely acceptable range

564
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:29,120
based on Herod's death and some
other related biblical events.

565
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,920
Could have been even earlier if
especially if you want to time

566
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:37,840
it with that comet 5 BC, I don't
see how you could put it.

567
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:42,600
You know this this reference has
one BC as a minority view, but I

568
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,040
don't see how you do that unless
you're just unless you don't

569
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:48,160
take the Bible at its word.
Yeah, that that that would be

570
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:52,080
that would be a problem.
So to me that that six to four

571
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:55,560
BC makes a lot of sense 'cause
you really can't go go too far

572
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,320
the other way to be like, I
think it was 25 BC and then and

573
00:28:58,320 --> 00:28:59,720
then then it starts, you start
running the.

574
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:00,760
Problems too, right?
Yeah, Yeah.

575
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:02,840
That, that would awesome.
So then do we know for sure he

576
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,320
was we do we?
Do we know how old he was when

577
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:10,160
he was crucified?
So we should revisit this maybe

578
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,120
for Easter podcast because
what's you can when you do the

579
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,440
calendars again out how accurate
these are.

580
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,800
But for the days to line up
Friday, Sunday, they're like,

581
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:20,280
oh, that.
I think that's what they say.

582
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:24,480
Maybe it's 3080 or 3380 because
the days line up with Passover

583
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,600
and all these things, you know.
So I had undue pressure put on

584
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:32,120
me when I was 33 because he was
at least 37, or I mean he was at

585
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,640
least 34 and maybe 37.
That's right.

586
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:37,960
It's like, yeah, what what are
we doing here?

587
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:39,600
Yeah.
But that might we should, we

588
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:41,680
should look into that in a
future podcast.

589
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:43,720
But I think people pick those
dates.

590
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,000
You can identify a handful of
dates.

591
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,080
And now we're gonna come full
circle right back around to the

592
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:54,320
date of of December 25th because
we talked last podcast like,

593
00:29:54,320 --> 00:30:00,680
well, could we know what years
the Jewish calendar had leap

594
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,960
years, did a little research.
It may have been right before we

595
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:05,960
started the podcast, or it could
have been a long time.

596
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,080
Ago could have.
Been a long time ago, you never

597
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,040
know.
But we really don't know when

598
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:16,600
the Jewish leap years occurred
because they could have declared

599
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:20,840
a Jewish leap year just by
going, oh, man, the barley is

600
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,800
ripening sooner than normal.
You know, they just they could

601
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:27,200
just use some, you know, events
to go all right, it's time to

602
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,200
throw any leap year because
basically they're just trying to

603
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,440
get their calendar back on
track.

604
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:36,280
But there is some evidence that
they could have aligned to the

605
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:40,320
Greek leap year system, which it
was.

606
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,600
It was hard to.
I didn't understand all that it

607
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:47,120
was saying on how it was timed.
But if they did align to the

608
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:54,720
Greek one, then these are the
possible years 10 BC, 7 BC and 4

609
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,080
BC.
Interesting SO.

610
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,800
I don't know if that gains us
anything, but there you go.

611
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,160
Yeah, a lot of information, a
lot of dates.

612
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,480
And at the end of the day,
you're kind of like, you can

613
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,880
kind of narrow it down, but you
can't be dogmatic.

614
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:11,320
And so I'm always suspicious
when someone's like, I know.

615
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:12,840
I know.
Yeah.

616
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,080
Yeah, I I'm a little bit
agnostic.

617
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:16,840
But you know what I'm not
agnostic about?

618
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:21,040
God exists.
He, he sent his son, came to the

619
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:26,320
world, became the God with us.
The God man lived a perfect

620
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:33,360
life, died for our sins,
resurrected to show that's the

621
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,120
Christmas through Easter story,
yeah.

622
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:40,560
So this is the last Thursday
episode before Christmas.

623
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:42,520
Yeah, so next week will be
Christmas.

624
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:46,600
We'll, we'll have another, it'll
be a day late, not a day late,

625
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,640
but not maybe another Christmas
themes podcast here.

626
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,920
So it'll be on the lookouts.
I don't, I don't, I don't know

627
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:54,800
if you want to give any hints.
People are going to be thinking.

628
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:57,600
What?
What it might be about, yeah.

629
00:31:58,480 --> 00:31:59,760
Have we decided what it's going
to be?

630
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:00,640
That's true.
Maybe we're not.

631
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:01,920
We're not.
Maybe we might not be far.

632
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,160
It's always subject to change.
It hasn't been recorded.

633
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:05,920
So be surprised.
Yeah.

634
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:06,520
Yeah.
But.

635
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:08,520
We expect you.
I expect.

636
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:10,920
Get out that podcast on
Christmas morning.

637
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:13,400
Get the family around.
Listen to.

638
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:14,920
You know, new Christmas
tradition.

639
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,560
It's like we've read Luke 2,
then we listen to Take Two.

640
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:19,080
All the tudes get them in there.
That's right.

641
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:24,320
Maybe we could just read Luke 2
so that people can play that,

642
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:25,040
you know?
Yeah.

643
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,840
With your with your audio book
voice, maybe do that.

644
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,920
Yeah, that might be a nice.
In the days of Caesar and Gus.

645
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:34,480
Honestly, I'll I'll defer this
to you and we see if it helps

646
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,640
your audio book career.
Yeah, maybe we put a poll on.

647
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:39,400
Go vote the poll.
I love it.

648
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,280
Yeah, I like it.
Well, thanks for, you know,

649
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:44,480
listening to the truth.
We try to bring you this

650
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:45,680
Christmas with all these
accounts.

651
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,880
Keep following us for the next
week or so before the new year,

652
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:54,560
but that's our take.
Thanks for listening to Take

653
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:56,800
Two.
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654
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,320
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655
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