Walking According to the Spirit Pt 2 | Romans 8:5-9

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Feel a little snug, Michael.
I feel a little snug.

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Feel.
Close to you, Zach.

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Closer than I've been before in
the past.

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We're through podcasting.
We're we're growing closer, both

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literally and and figuratively.
It's great.

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So Zach's parents are in town
and you may or may not know that

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Zach's parents house which is
positioned ideally close to your

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own house.
Very close, we're literally

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right behind and and the yards
in this neighborhood aren't

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aren't super big.
So it's it's pretty close, so.

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We do most of our recording in
in their house.

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They've been gracious to allow
us, but I guess for some reason

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when they're in town they would
like the use of their house.

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Themselves.
I mean, it's kind.

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Of kind of selfish, but you
know.

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And and they also have two what,
what kind of dogs there?

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They have two dachshunds.
Dachshunds that you're saying

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yipping 11 is pretty chill.
Other one is just yapping away.

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And it would have been a
probably a little a little

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distracting.
Not optimal, suboptimal, some

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might say for.
The podcast You Ever have a You

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ever have you don't.
You don't have pets.

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This is a source up.
Maybe this is a separate banter.

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Yeah, I would just say that I
have desired to have a dog, but

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it just does not fit within. 5.
The, the six girls, Yeah.

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And and the, you know, if we had
a dog that had to be inside,

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Yeah.
We don't have like a big farm

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where it could roam.
So we'll leave it at that.

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Well if you are watching I hope
you enjoy the change of scenery

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and Michael had a really good
points about the change of

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scenery.
Yeah, so we got the green screen

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maybe four or five episodes into
podcasting and and for those who

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are only on podcast, this is
going to be, you know, just bear

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with us because you listen to
our lovely radio like voices.

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And but for those who watch on
YouTube, you see that normally I

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cast back end behind us and I've
had questions like, when will

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that change?
I don't know.

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Is it time to change?
Is it become like part and

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parcel of the podcast?
Like wow a lot.

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Of big questions.
Yeah, yeah, should.

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So maybe we open it up to the
fans.

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Outsourcing.
I like it, yeah.

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If you have some suggestions on
what or would taking it away

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just take away the the?
The essence, the substance,

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maybe some words we'll talk
about in the podcast, but think

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about it because I'm sure we can
do better than than than The

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Lord of the Rings, Hobbit stuff,
just.

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Personally, Oh man, I'm reading
series of books, Yeah, and I'm

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taking a break in the series and
I just went back 'cause I was

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kind of in the middle of
listening to Andy Serkis narrate

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Lord of the Rings.
He's the guy who who voiced

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Gullum and he's been in some of
The Avengers universe, cinematic

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universe.
It is just like, it's just like

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comfort food.
Does he do does he do voices to

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like when he reads So does he
like do the Gollum voice when he

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reads Gollum?
Well, I, I haven't gotten to

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Gollum with him, but he does a
really good job.

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I mean a really good job.
Like Pippen has an Irish accent

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and stuff and it, and it's just
so good.

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And he even pronounces like a
lot of people will pronounce a

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Lyndell as a Lyndell and still
Ellendell, he gets that kind of

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stuff.
Right the details like Can you

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imagine if I was the reader I
just be butchering things left

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in you would be so mad you.
Would be like no one wants to

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read this long poem about
Luthian and and Baron.

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Like let's let's move on.
OK, so there's this ring.

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Because it does make it.
Whoever reads these books, it

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makes a difference whether you
can listen to it or you.

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It's like, I'm done.
I can't do it.

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I in fact, I just pushed
through, probably why I'm taking

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a break.
I just pushed through this book

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in this series and it was one of
the ones that was recorded

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earlier and the narrator just
does a horrible job.

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It's it's really bad and it's
like, I need a break from that

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series.
So Lord of the Rings.

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Well, Lord of the Rings, Bag
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name of that, but that makes
sense.

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Bag Ends, Bag Ends, it's all,
it's all connected, kind of.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Very creative.

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Their token.
Well, great.

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But we are going to jump into
the 20th. 20th, 20th.

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Holy cow, sermon of Roman.
So enjoy this new setup as we go

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ahead and take it to the next
level from the hearts of the Low

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Country in South Carolina.
It's the Take Two podcast where

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we take theology to the next
level.

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Were you there, Michael?
I hope so.

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Maybe I mean I what what was the
actual date like?

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March.
This is a quick Google search,

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so we know it's exactly right,
but July 1978 according to

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Google, coming from the
Wikipedia page on contemporary

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Christian music, that's the
origin.

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Yeah.
So that that precedes me by like

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three or four months, October
78th.

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I was just waiting for you.
Yeah, just like, I mean just

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like prepared.
Away.

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God knew he had to like, you
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me.
So he's like, we got to delay

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Michael's birth until, you know,
that kind of gets going.

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So why are we talking about
Christian Tipperary music?

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Why?
Why did we start there?

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Well, you know, as and I don't
think did he do it today in

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today's sermon.
I mean, we're not covering

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today's sermon.
We're covering last week's

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sermon, but I don't remember him
going over a song today.

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He broke his strength.
And he had such a good.

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Run.
Yeah.

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So we are in our, I think Zach
said, 20th episode of Romans.

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It is going to be Romans eight.
I think it's like 5 through 9.

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That's right.
And Joel starts us off with this

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illustration of a song from back
when he was, you know, a young

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man.
Georgia Tech doing student

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campus ministry.
That's right.

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And it's by John Fisher.
You know John Fisher.

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Oh.
Big John Fisher fan.

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No, just kidding.
I don't.

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I don't.
Catch you with Fisher.

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The lyrics are.
I want to be a more righteous

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man.
I can agree with that.

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I want to be a godly man.
Good to go.

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Teach me to do what I can to
follow closer to you.

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I want to follow a different
drum.

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Even if I'm the only one.
I want to hear when I'm done.

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You did well, my son.
And then I guess there's a

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chorus.
Oh, won't you take a look around

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you, brother?
Oh, why?

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Tell me, why doesn't anyone want
to try anymore?

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And so Joel's point was this
song not only was kind of like

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the start of the kickoff of the
contemporary Christian movement,

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but it really captures this idea
of the contrast between living

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in the flesh, being an unsaved
person, and then living in the

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Spirit.
We've talked a little bit about

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what it means to walk by the
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And we've said that it's not a
decision thing like, you know,

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do I take this job or do I move
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It's more about salvation.
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being saved from sins power and
it's pardon penalty, then power,

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then presence ultimately.
So we kind of the three phase

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thing.
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if you have been saved from sins
penalty, you're you've been

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redeemed, then you are going to
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And we would say you're being
more and more saved from sins

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power over your life.
And that's what kind of these

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verses kind of a preview of what
we're going to be talking about.

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Yeah, that that helps set set
the stage because like we've

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mentioned, you know, you think
about walking the Spirit.

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It is like, is this God's will
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But reframing it more biblically
does have outworkings that do

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have implications to how you
live that maybe give you a

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little bit more, more freedom to
think through these things.

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And I think you mentioned this,
I wrote this down on my paper

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notes that, you know, in this
section, you know, the flesh is

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mentioned, I think 12 times in
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I think this might be baby
talking about Chapter 8 alone,

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not including all the references
to the flesh in Chapter 7.

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But this tension, this contrast,
this, this back and forth, like

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that's what we want to feel
because that's what Paul is

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really driving at.
So maybe I can read this passage

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for us and then we'll just jump
in and start tearing it apart.

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But Paul writes for those who
are according to the flesh set

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their minds on the things of the
flesh, but those who are

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according to the spirits, the
things of the spirit.

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For the mindset on the flesh is
death, but the mindset on the

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spirit is life and peace.
Because the mindset on the flesh

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is hostile toward God, for it
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law of God, for it's not even
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And those who are in the flesh
cannot please God.

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However, you're not in the
flesh, but in the Spirit, if

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indeed the Spirit of God dwells
in you.

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But if anyone does not have the
Spirit of Christ, he does not

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belong to him.
So you probably just heard it

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there a lot.
A lot of back and forth go in

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this whole passage.
Yeah, and just to point out, to

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kind of reinforce, but, and it's
not like this is the hobby horse

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of mine, but I feel like it is
so pervasive in Christendom

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today.
Paul says, however, you are not

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in the flesh, but in the Spirit,
if indeed the Spirit of God

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dwells in you.
So it's not a decisional thing.

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It's if you are saved, the
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you as a down payment.
That's what Paul would say in

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Ephesians.
And you are living by the

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Spirit.
Now some of us may be living by

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the Spirit more than others as
we've walked this this life and

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some less than others, but you
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And then so verse five, the
beginning of verse five says for

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those who are according to the
flesh, set their minds on the

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things of the flesh.
And you know, you know, I

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appreciate it when Joel he'll
bust out some Greek every now

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and we have some Greek here
Forneo.

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That's the word behind set one's
mind on.

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And the point there is it's
bigger than just to when we walk

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according to it's it's sorry
Forneo is what's get translated.

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And it says when they set their
minds on it, but it's like their

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whole life outlook.
It's you know, our walk, our

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path.
It's it's kind of like the

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trajectory of our life.
Yeah, we might read it in our

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context and think it's a small
thing, but it's it's really

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everything.
And like we've been saying, it's

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kind of a reality.
You walk according to the flesh

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or those who are according to
the flesh, they walk that way.

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They set their mind that just
they go together.

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It's not that they chose one
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It's just part of that part of
that nature.

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And you can really look at, you
know, Paul developed this a lot

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more and in a couple different,
different places.

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One of these places would be
Ephesians 417 through 19 uses

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this terminology, the mind of
the flesh.

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And as as he's talking about how
the Gentiles walk, he, he's

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telling this Ephesian church,
you don't, you don't walk this

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way.
You don't no no longer act like

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these Gentiles because they walk
with darkened minds.

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They're excluded from the life
of God.

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They're in ignorance.
Their hearts are hardened,

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they're callous.
They they have given themselves

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over to sensuality.
There's impurity with

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greediness, but you didn't learn
this by being in Christ.

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This is a totally different
path.

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Yeah, yeah.
And so if that's the mind of the

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flesh, you know, futile,
darkened, ignorant hardness,

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callous sensuality, we could, we
could, you know, kind of add to

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that the deeds of the flesh.
And we see that in Galatians 516

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says, but I say, walk by the
spirit again that contrast and

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you will not carry out the
desire of the flesh.

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For the flesh sets its desire
against the spirit, and the

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spirit against the flesh.
For the For these are in

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opposition to one another, so
that you may not do the things

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that you please, but if you are
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under the law.
Now the deeds of the flesh are

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evident, which are immorality,
impurity, sensuality, idolatry,

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sorcery, enmities, strife,
jealousy, outbursts of anger,

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disputes, dissensions, factions
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and like these things of which
and things like these, of which

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I forewarn you, just as I have
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practice such things will not
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So really capturing both sides,
the mind of the flesh, the deeds

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of the flesh.
Yeah, and if you have the mind

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of the flesh, if you have the
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going to inherit the Kingdom of
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It is this, it's this reality
keeping these, you know,

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categories distinct.
Michael, what do you think if I

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tell you we've got trouble right
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Yeah, yeah.
I got this little thing because

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he kept on saying we got
trouble, we got trouble right

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here.
Do you know this?

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I don't.
Ohk.

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OK, No, I don't.
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notes during the city then,
because, you know, hopefully

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someone listening would know
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We got trouble, but there was
this movie called The Music Man,

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and this guy, he is trying to
pump up the crowd about how

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serious this pool is 'cause he's
going to try to to scam them

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into buying some musical
instruments.

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And he goes around, he's like,
there's trouble, There's trouble

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right here.
There's trouble right here in in

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River City, trouble with the
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That rhymes with Pete, you know.
Anyways, so, yeah, so he's that

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that is my problem.
If you start saying things that

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are in some, you know, popular
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out there.
But yeah, so he was talking

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about the trouble that is
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flesh.
Wow.

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So I I think that helps paint a
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more to it.
When we look at Galatians and

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Ephesians, all that is kind of
connected to what it means to

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walk according to the flesh.
That that that is one category

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that Paul is talking about.
We look at verses 6 and seven

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Paul writes for the mindset on
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mindset on the Spirit is life
and peace because the mindset on

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the flesh is hostile toward God
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to the law of God for it's not
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So we start seeing some of this
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He's he's starting to talk about
this, talking about the mindset

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on the Spirit is life.
And he's got this quote here by

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Rob Ventura and I'm blanking on
Rob Ventura.

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See is he a Theo?
This.

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Is the second quote that he's
used by him, so he he must have

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a book that either quotes him or
a book by him.

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But yeah, I don't, I'm not like
familiar with Rob Manjira.

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Well, he, he's got this quote.
He's.

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Probably a brother to Ace.
They went separate.

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There's like two separate.
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Very separate paths.
One was the theologian, the

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other made a series of movies or
as a character, OK, Ventura

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writes.
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not externally express enmity
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themselves on good terms with
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would would think that they're
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This isn't the case for whether
they are actively shaking their

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fist at him or passively
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salvation.
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toward him is one of downright
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I think that paint paints a good
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that spectrum.
It's not just these people

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saying I hate God, but there is
this passivity where you have

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this heart that isn't hostility,
even if you don't perceive it

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that way.
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That's really good and he goes
on because we, I think Joel

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wants to really impress on us
how big a deal sin is.

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And I have Milliard Erickson's
Christian theology.

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It's and if you want a theology
that's going to systematic

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theology, that's not going to
necessarily say this is exactly

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what I believe.
He'll give you his opinion, but

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he kind of gives you the
references and he actually will

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ask questions at the end, like
has blanks for you to fill out,

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you know, based on this, but
it's it's really good.

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But Joel was so if you don't
have that, get it.

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I don't have it.
You don't.

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Have Amazon, so you should hold
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Yeah.
But Joel mentions that he has

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five chapters on sin, 5 chapters
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It's a thick book.
It's probably this thick.

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You know, this, you know, man,
it's it's it's big.

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But some of those were the
nature of sin, the source of

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sin, the results of sin, the
magnitude of sin, the social

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dimension of sin.
And he pulls this quote out from

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one of those chapters.
It says such experiences with

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ordinary humans.
Concussiveness naturally

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stimulated me to do a good deal
of thinking in such time as I

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had myself, my ideas as to what
people were like and as to what

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motivated their actions were
undergoing a radical revision.

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People generally, and I know I
could not exclude myself, seem

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to be much less rational and
much more selfish than I had

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ever guessed.
Not at all the nice folk I had

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always thought them to be.
They did not decide to do things

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because it would be reasonable
and moral to act in a way, but

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because that course of action
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Afterward they would not find
rational and moral reasons for

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afterward they would find
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what they had already determined
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of man, people are really

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sinful.
And I think this is actually a

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quote, so I'm going to keep
going, he says.

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My idea is what people were like
and as to what motivated their

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actions were undergoing a
radical revision.

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That's a quote by Langdon Gilkey
that Erickson quoted in his

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systematic I.
Think the more time you spend

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around people and you get more
exposure, it is pretty amazing

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how quickly sometimes people
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a great person and it's just
like, it's just you and them.

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It's like, hey, we should just
do this.

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Or, you know, like I'm thinking
of maybe.

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And talk about how often we were
together podcasting.

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Yeah, but even at work, you get,
you know, some of them like,

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hey, what?
We should just do this?

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And you're like, we probably
shouldn't just do this, but it's

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easy because no one's there kind
of thing.

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But I think just talks about the
reality of even these nice

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people you see in your
neighborhood really, really have

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this dark, darkness in their
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So I like this.
He goes on to talk about how bad

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people are apart from Christ.
And he, I don't know if he meant

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to, but he had a lot of
alliteration or the letter D,

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but he said you know that
they're very dark, distressing,

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despicable, they are dank,
there's devastation, diabolical,

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distressing.
So all of these adjectives and

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we look at what it is to live a
life apart from Christ.

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Yeah.
And as Pastor Joel is doing in

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this sermon, as Paul is doing in
this passage, it's, it's just

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amazing how you can't read this
and not see these contrasts.

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Paul just does this so well.
It's like being an Adam, being

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in Christ in the flesh and the
spirit.

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I think in the, in Adam, in
Christ, when we kind of tried to

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pull it apart and like just list
everything under them because

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the contrasts are, are so stark.
But that's the one thing I know

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you're sick of hearing it.
Like that's what we don't want

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to miss this contrast because
that kind of helps us see, you

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know, what a miracle it is to to
be in Christ that your lives are

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are changing in such a dramatic
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It's this 180 flip.
It's with without Christ you're

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select to your own self and that
that's a miserable, diabolical,

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dark place to be.
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All right, so now, so we did 5A6
and seven.

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Now we're going to go back and
catch the end of five because

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that's where Paul, you know, is
going to start picking up the

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Spirit and then pick up some
verses below that.

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So 5B, he says, but those who
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things of the Spirit, do you
have any letters from when you

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and Leanne were pull them?
Out.

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First dating.
Leanne did a good job of of

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keeping some, some letters,
yeah.

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So Joel had asked Diane for some
of those, but she's like, I got

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something better.
I got my journal, he read from

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her journal on the night that
they had been engaged earlier

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that day.
And there was just an

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excitement, like a newness, a,
you know, and I didn't capture

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all that he said or, or take a
picture, but it was just like,

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you know, there was this looking
for, this anxious looking

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forward to.
Their life together and how

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things were going to be, you
know, changing and stuff.

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Yeah, and I think, I don't
remember it verbatim either, but

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she was saying things like, my
thoughts are fragmented.

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I am so excited.
I'm I'm, I'm so blessed.

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I'm rejoicing.
And and she just was like kind

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of repeating herself.
But it is that idea that it's

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such a great thing.
It's exciting and trying to wrap

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her mind around all of this.
And if we can get excited about

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a marriage to Joel, I mean that
would then we should be able to

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get excited about a marriage to
Christ and what it means to be

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in the spirit.
In the Stone Mountain.

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But I have been to Stone
Mountains.

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Have you?
I have not.

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Yeah.
He made the joke.

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He was like, it probably still
has the aura of that.

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And I was like, I haven't been
there.

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Yeah.
Yeah, it's pretty cool.

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So if we're walking in the
Spirit and setting our minds on

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the Spirit, what would we be
pursuing?

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And this is good because this is
like what's going to be

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happening, Like, like, these are
a good thing to check, practical

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things to think about in your
life.

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Yeah, so he just gives us a list
of things like these should

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basically be in your life to
some degree.

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You know, each, everyone's
gifted differently, but to some

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degree these things should be in
your life.

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And so one witnessing Acts 18.
But you will receive power when

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the Holy Spirit comes upon you,
and you shall be my witnesses

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both in Jerusalem and in all
Judea and Samaria, and even of

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the remotest part of the earth.
Yeah, we should be a witness

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also.
Your character should be

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transformed.
Galatians 522 and 23.

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But the fruit of the Spirit is
Lovejoy, peace, patience,

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kindness, goodness,
faithfulness, gentleness,

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self-control.
Against such there is no law.

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And like you were saying,
Michael, maybe we're all not

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going to be totally on the same
transformation level in all

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these areas.
And there's probably different

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strengths and weaknesses here.
But that's a good, good litmus

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test as you are growing in
Christ to reflect on often.

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Yeah, and #3 list was service,
1st Corinthians 1211.

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But one and the same Spirit
works in all these things,

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distributing to each one
individually just as he's wills.

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And so really I was talking
about the gift of the Spirit,

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spiritual gifts and how they're
given to us for service.

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We should be using them for
service.

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And I don't know if you remember
because this was has been a week

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ago, but he's like, you know,
really, I want I should add to

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this list.
And you could see I don't know

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if he was doing it on purpose,
but he started adding all the

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Acts 242 stuff, prayer,
fellowship, breaking a bread,

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you know the word.
But you know, that's a

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descriptor of a church that's
set on fire for Christ.

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It should be a descriptor of the
individual who set on fire for

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Christ and who's living by the
Spirit.

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Well, so we're getting to this
part of his sermon where he

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asked this really practical,
very misunderstood question.

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And I think we're going to take
away some something here.

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This is a good place to take
away and might not have a nice,

448
00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:50,360
you know, five word definition.
It's it's a little bit harder.

449
00:22:50,360 --> 00:22:53,800
And this probably speaks to why
so many people struggle with

450
00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:58,280
this kind of terminology.
But what does it mean to walk in

451
00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:00,600
the spirit?
And I think Chill did a good job

452
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,040
of just pulling scripture here,
Scripture here.

453
00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:06,280
I'm going to make my definition
just fall right out of

454
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:07,600
scripture.
And this is where I see this

455
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:09,920
kind of terminology.
So this is kind of what what it

456
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:11,520
encapsulates.
That's good.

457
00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:14,880
So the first one to walk in the
Spirit, it's a command that

458
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:17,880
we're told to do that.
It's a daily act of obedience

459
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:21,840
and faith.
Walking in the Spirit, taking

460
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:25,120
some of this from Romans 12,
we're to set our mind on the

461
00:23:25,120 --> 00:23:27,800
things of the spirit, which
means you've got to immerse

462
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:31,680
yourself in the word of God.
The Spirit of God will use the

463
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,240
word of God and making unto me
the will of God.

464
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:38,040
That that's really important
because I think that's where

465
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:41,320
some people kind of float all
over the place.

466
00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:43,280
The Spirit's going to work
through the word.

467
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,600
Prayer is important that the
Spirit works through prayer, but

468
00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:48,240
let let it be tethered to
Scripture.

469
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:52,960
And like we just mentioned Acts
242, worship and fellowship.

470
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:55,520
And then there should be this
spirit of obedience.

471
00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:58,800
So the Spirit of God empowers us
to obey.

472
00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:02,040
I think Spirit of God helps us
see the lie in our sin.

473
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:05,320
Whenever we sin, we're we have
bought into some lie that while

474
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:08,360
the thing that I'm pursuing is a
good, it's better than

475
00:24:08,360 --> 00:24:10,760
obedience.
And it helps us to see that so

476
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:14,440
that we can obey.
And so it's working in US is

477
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:19,920
enabling us to obey.
But he warns it it like I think

478
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:21,800
this goes along to exactly what
you're saying.

479
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:26,080
We see this because it is a lie
and and this is talking about

480
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,160
what our flesh wants to do.
Because if you're going to walk

481
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:32,160
in the spirit, as we're seeing
here in in Pauls words, it's in

482
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,960
direct opposition with the
flesh.

483
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:36,280
And so it's not going to be
easy.

484
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:38,560
There's going to be a battle,
there's going to be some

485
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:40,520
warfare.
Looking ahead to the sermon we

486
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,320
just heard, you know, you've got
to be putting sin to death.

487
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:46,320
It's like it's something that's
not going to be easy and

488
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:49,280
conflict will will arise.
No, it's good.

489
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,320
Anything else you want to say on
that before you go to verse 9?

490
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:55,600
I, I think, I think that's
great.

491
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:57,280
Let's keep moving on all.
Right.

492
00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:01,640
So verse 9 says, however, you
are not in the flesh but in the

493
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:05,280
Spirit, if indeed could be
translated, since indeed the

494
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:08,600
Spirit of God dwells in you.
But if anyone does not have the

495
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:12,040
spirit of Christ, he does not
belong to him.

496
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:16,040
So if the Spirit of God dwells
in you, you're in the Spirit.

497
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,560
Dwell this is if you think of
the, the, the app, you know

498
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:23,560
where, where you know, you hear
the word of God over and over.

499
00:25:24,120 --> 00:25:27,280
And, and Joel does a great job
of pointing out dwells.

500
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:30,240
This is the first time we're
seeing this in Romans.

501
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:32,360
It's a new, new word.
It's going to communicate a

502
00:25:32,360 --> 00:25:34,040
couple things.
First things.

503
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:36,800
First thing it's going to
communicate is intimacy.

504
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:40,480
There there's this closeness he
brings up, you know, the

505
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,200
tabernacles in the middle of the
camp and as you kind of even

506
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:46,800
inside the Tabernacle it it's
the most holy and then you kind

507
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,560
of keep going out and if you're
unclean, you got to be outside

508
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,200
of the camp.
And then, you know, we're all

509
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,120
familiar with John one this
great.

510
00:25:54,120 --> 00:25:58,640
We heard it this morning about
the word Jesus Christ in the

511
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:02,920
beginning was with God was God
and he dwelt among us that that

512
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,720
word is Tabernacle among us.
So that connection is really

513
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:07,600
good.
Yeah, that's very, very good.

514
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:12,880
And if the spirits within us,
we're united with Christ and

515
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:14,720
we're united with the body of
Christ.

516
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,640
And I like what he said here
because sometimes you may not

517
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,560
like being united with everyone,
especially in your local church.

518
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,160
It's easy to be united with the
people you don't know, like, oh,

519
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,640
there's a, there's a but
sometimes when you, like you

520
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:29,080
said you're rubbing shoulders
with people, Yeah, you know,

521
00:26:29,360 --> 00:26:31,840
there conflict can happen.
We're we're sinful.

522
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:35,120
If you find a perfect church,
don't join it 'cause you'll mess

523
00:26:35,120 --> 00:26:38,920
up, you'll ruin it.
So you know, CBC is not perfect

524
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:45,240
and but we are united with each
other, serving Christ.

525
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,800
First Corinthians talks about us
being a temple of God.

526
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,320
Do you not know that you are a
temple of God and that the

527
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,400
Spirit of God dwells in you?
There's our word again.

528
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,560
If any man destroys the temple
of God, God will destroy him.

529
00:26:56,560 --> 00:27:00,000
For the temple of God is holy,
and that is what you are.

530
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:01,280
So we're supposed to be set
apart.

531
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,400
Yeah, no, I I like that, Alexa,
I don't think people think about

532
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:09,520
think about all the implications
from from these these terms.

533
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,560
But I like that dwell intimacy,
union.

534
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,160
We're we're connect that's going
to influence how you live your

535
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,120
life, how you're going to live
your life with each other.

536
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:20,480
I'm so good and I and I think he
captured it well.

537
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,520
Some of these passages that talk
about the temple of God.

538
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,320
It really is a collective.
You know, we're the temple of

539
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:27,680
God.
It's not just you know, all all

540
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:29,480
everything gets so
individualized and you know,

541
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:35,080
western Christianity and he ends
with or getting towards the end

542
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,480
goes with the with the valley of
vision.

543
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:41,560
A classic I I you.
Want to read it?

544
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:43,120
Let's let's read it.
It's.

545
00:27:43,120 --> 00:27:46,400
Longer, but I think it's good.
Maybe I'll read a little bit and

546
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,960
then tap out and you can jump in
a little bit.

547
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:51,160
Yeah.
So we don't just get tired of of

548
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:52,360
my voice.
Yeah, let's do it.

549
00:27:52,360 --> 00:27:57,240
Alright, so this is a valley of
vision and it's titled Spiritus

550
00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,600
Sanctus, which means Holy
Spirit.

551
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:04,240
So again, this is a Puritan
prayer, and it says, as the sun

552
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:09,960
is full of light, the ocean full
of water, heaven full of glory,

553
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:16,240
so may my heart be full of thee.
Vain are the divine purposes of

554
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:21,280
love and the redemption wrought
by Jesus, except thou work

555
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:23,880
within, regenerating by that
power.

556
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:28,640
Giving me eyes to see Jesus,
showing me the realities of the

557
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:32,960
unseen world.
Give me thyself without measure

558
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:37,880
as an unimpaired fountain, as
inexhaustible riches.

559
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:43,480
I bewell my coldness, poverty,
emptiness, imperfect vision,

560
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:48,880
language, service, prayerless
prayers, praiseless praise.

561
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:52,640
Suffer me not to grieve or
resist Thee.

562
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:58,480
Come as power to expel every
rebel lust to reign supreme and

563
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:03,240
keep me thine.
Come as teacher, leading me into

564
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,920
all truth, filling me with all
understanding.

565
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:10,040
Come as love that I may adore
the Father and love Him as my

566
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:13,800
all.
Come as joy to dwell in me, move

567
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:17,640
in me, animate me.
Come as light, illuminating the

568
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,080
scripture, molding me in its
laws.

569
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:24,120
Come a sanctifier, body, soul
and spirit, Holy Thine.

570
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:28,480
Come as helper with strength to
bless and keep directing my

571
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,600
every step.
Come as beautifier, bringing

572
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,960
order out of confusion,
loveliness out of chaos.

573
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:39,960
Magnify to me Thy glory by being
magnified in me, and make me

574
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:43,240
redolent of Thy fragrant
fragrance.

575
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:44,720
Very good.
All right.

576
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,320
I, I think those are great.
Good meditation.

577
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,520
I should read them more often
myself, but you know that that's

578
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:52,360
good.
But that's a great way as we

579
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:58,640
kind of segue into application,
how, how do you define walking

580
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:00,120
in the spirit?
That's a good thing to think

581
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,240
about 'cause if you have to
think about it, you probably, or

582
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,000
meditate out.
You're kind of, if you can give

583
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,320
a good definition, you've been
thinking about this and, and

584
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,240
Pastor Jill Evens, you know,
welcomes change mind, tweak

585
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,000
mind.
Show me how you're, you know,

586
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:13,080
dealing with this.
How?

587
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:16,040
Where are you going in Scripture
to have a better understanding

588
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:19,160
of this phrase?
Walking in the Spirit?

589
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:21,440
Yeah.
And can you speak confidently?

590
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,480
Do you see evidences that you
are walking in the spirit?

591
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,000
Do you, you know, sense the
spirit and dwelling in you,

592
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,400
helping you to be obedient,
helping you to, you know, live a

593
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,960
life that you know is away from
the mind and this the deeds of

594
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,680
the flesh, but really set on the
mind and the deeds of the of the

595
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,600
spirit.
Application #3 What

596
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,800
misconceptions do you see in the
church regarding this phrase?

597
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,240
Walking in the spirit because
they're out there.

598
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:48,360
You've, I've thought
misconception before.

599
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:51,600
You know, as we try to like deal
with what, what is what does

600
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:53,240
this mean?
What are some wrong ways to

601
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,920
think about it?
And lastly, application four

602
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:59,440
really to think about why do you
think Paul is stressing so

603
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,760
strongly this difference between
walking the flesh, walking the

604
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,600
spear because he really has
given really you could maybe

605
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,760
count all of seven and the
beginning of eight all over to

606
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:10,880
this idea that's.
And if you're thinking, you

607
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:15,680
know, Romans has 16 chapters
that that's a lot of ink.

608
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,800
And for those that particular,
it's a big deal.

609
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:20,880
Yeah, that's it.
All right.

610
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:25,000
So I think we're wrapped up with
the flesh versus the spirit.

611
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:26,960
This was walking in the Spirit
Part 2.

612
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:30,200
Anything else to add?
I got nothing.

613
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:34,240
All right, that's our take.
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