Children of God — A Biblical Theology of Adoption 5 | Adoption Completed: The Blessings and Transformation of God’s Children

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Finally, Michael.
Finally.

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We can.
I can start celebrating

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Christmas because it's after
Thanksgiving.

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Yeah, we're actually two weeks.
After two weeks now, yeah, Yeah,

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Well, it's all.
It's all time is relative.

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When you're podcasting, you know
it's.

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Like it is relative.
Yeah.

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So we got to hear we're
recording this the Sunday before

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Thanksgiving.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But this will be a couple weeks
after Thanksgiving because we're

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trying to get, get some in in
the books for the holidays.

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And Joel said something about
about it today in the sermon

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about, you know, Christmas.
Oh, yeah, he did.

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Yeah, yeah.
Everyone tries to rush past

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Thanksgiving.
Everyone tries to get it out of

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the way.
And I would say that if you feel

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like that you probably have a
less than biblical view of the

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Christmas holiday, because if
Christmas is just the

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commercialism and stuff, then
yeah, you don't want to you.

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Know I I I think you hit it
though I think the crux of this

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argument is on commercialism.
I don't think anyone that I've

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talked to, like, I'm a strong
wait till after Thanksgiving,

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but if someone's like, we're
going to be talking about John

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1, the word became flesh.
I'm not like, walking out of the

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room or even if we're singing a
Christmas song that's like out

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of season.
Like, I don't think that's

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weird.
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'Cause we do that sometimes.
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I think it's more weird if
you're like, you know, like,

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hey, we're decorating a tree
with ornaments.

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Like I'm like, let's not do that
in July.

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I don't know, that's just like
me.

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But I'm like, I think that's the
crux of it, 'cause I haven't

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really met anyone, I think.
Most people like commercials on

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and they're thinking, well, this
is a triangle.

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We have the symbolism of the
trendy.

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We're putting lights on it
because it's.

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The light of the world literally
is saying that's what they're

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thinking of and they're not
thinking of Christmas in America

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like they're they're separating
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Then I I can get behind that.
Yeah, I, I, I know I'm different

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than most people, but really
some of that stuff is going on

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my mind when we're decorating
and stuff and.

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That's fair.
And I I.

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That's why I say you should have
a very high view of the

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Christmas holiday and all the
stuff like the going home and

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spending time and having some
downtime.

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That's great, too.
Yeah.

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But yeah, I'm, I just want to
give a warning to to parents

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that the guy, we might talk
about the guy here in a second.

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So you might want to turn it off
if you have toddlers or younger

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folks with with with you.
Little disclaimer.

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Yeah, disclaimer.
So you've you've had time to.

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Also, why can't we like this is
my other gripe is like, I'm

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fine, people have a high view
Christmas.

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That's good.
Like why can't we just why can't

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we elevate Easter more Like
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You know what, you know what I
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That's what I'm saying that this
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I think that's a part of my
right.

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Anyway, But yeah, I'm 100% for
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We haven't sent out Christmas
cards in a couple years and I

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think we made this year because
we got pictures taken, but I'm

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always like, let's send out
Easter cards.

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I don't think I said this, but I
think Nathan and Jess White

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dude.
So now I, I, I thought we saw

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the pocket.
I feel like we should 'cause

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that was great.
And it's like a few months late,

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but yeah, 'cause we've talked
about it.

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I was like, yeah, that's great,
you know?

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So now that that the the those
only adults are well knowledged,

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well informed children
listening, I think part of it is

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the guy in the big.
Red suit.

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Totally, totally.
Get rid of him like celebrate

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Saint Nicholas of Turkey and
what he did at that council,

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punching Athanasius in the face.
Was it Arius?

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Arius.
Arius.

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Not Athanasius.
Athanasius was a good guy.

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Sorry, sorry, sorry.
The Athanasian Creed.

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Yeah, we we we love that, but I
try not to get emotional.

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Started getting emotional last
podcast and I was like, I had to

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reel this in have to talk about
the Steelers.

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That's that's.
The anti emotion.

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That's emotion so many adults
talk about.

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Hey, you know, there's that
magic that you have at Christmas

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time and then once you find out
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away.
And Chloe said thank you, dad,

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for never doing that.
Because the magic of Christmas

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has only gotten more intense as
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Christ and his.
You know, like Christmas has

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gotten better as I've.
That's great, 'cause I like

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you're saying that's probably
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The reverse experience isn't
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Wouldn't that be so sad?
And we all know if you switch

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the letters in Santa Satan, so
that's the other.

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Thing that is that's.
The that's the more that's the

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different side attacking it on
the other side.

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But you know, something bad's
there, I don't know what.

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It is, yeah.
Yeah, I have.

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We talked, maybe we talked about
this last year.

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I wrote a blog post about this
and there is this Santa Claus

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coming to town.
Song.

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OK, Yeah.
Here come Santa Claus.

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Here come Santa Claus.
Right now, Santa Claus, he knows

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everything that you're doing.
He watches over you.

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He hears all of our prayers, you
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he's rewriting, you know, he's
taking.

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Place of God, yeah yeah 'cause
it's like it's such a center

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place in our culture, obviously
around the same time so man

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yeah, I'm just saying so I think
that I I think that's really it

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'cause I, I feel like I I take a
lot of heat for.

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For your strong stance.
My strong stance of saying, hey,

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I just want to celebrate
Thanksgiving.

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It's just let me be thankful for
a little bit before I have to be

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like consumeristic and buy
people all the presents.

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You know, I just want to like,
enjoy the thing.

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Have you seen those memes where
it's like different, like it

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just increases levels?
I think like so that the worst

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level is like the commercial
we're putting up scent, but then

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the best level is the spiritual
putting up Christmas stuff.

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Like you were like, I'm like, I
enjoy celebrating the

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incarnation of Christ so much
that I'm thankful for it.

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Yeah, I would not be opposed to
like a nativity up year round

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does not bother me.
You know, it's because because I

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almost will lean the other way
where it's like, wow, you're

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only setting it up for a month.
Like like that's the pushback I

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get.
Like why do you why you only do

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for a month?
But I'm like, well, if you

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really think that you should
keep the Garland up all year

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round because that's, you know,
but I think, you know, like

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things like that, Yeah.
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I think, I mean, I think what
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post Christmas, this season is
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we're not going to detect, we're
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Dude some.
Have you ever met someone that

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has like a Christmas tree?
I've met like even at the, at

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the Blake assisted living near
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they're doing this right now,
but they've done it in the past

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where their Christmas tree
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tree.
It just becomes a different

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holiday and just keep it up.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, 'cause.

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It's such a pain to put it up
there's like we're gonna keep it

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up and redecorate.
I don't want to call anyone out.

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Do it.
There's a person in our church,

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Yeah.
Initials are John Petters.

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Back in the day before he was
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and he had he had this house
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would just put this huge trash
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into another room and then.
Time saver.

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That's amazing.
Trash bag off.

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That's like bachelor living.
One O 1, that's amazing.

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That's so good.
I love it.

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Well, you know, Christmas.
I feel like on on on my

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Christmas agenda.
I don't know what things you

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guys like to do.
I feel like a staple in our

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family as we gotta we try to
watch the movie Elf, you know?

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Elf Lydia was talking about
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She's like, I've seen this.
I'm trying to see when this when

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this episode actually airs so I
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This was our Thanksgiving week.
All right, so this week this

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should air on Tuesday, December
the 9th.

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The ninth OK, so I'll.
Just put a shout out to all of

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our local listeners this
Thursday and Friday or yeah, no,

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this Friday and Saturday.
Oh, your thing is the house for

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the holidays?
House for the holidays.

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Personal invitation from.
Michael, there's a song that

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we're singing there.
There's a soloist.

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So all I do on this whole song
is ah, oh, at the very end.

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And I mean, it's on pitch and it
lasts a little longer than that.

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So basically I just get to sit
there on stage and listen to it.

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But it's called Do Not Be
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And it details the three times
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Joseph and then to the the
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And each time he says, you know,
do not be afraid.

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And I, I thought things were
powerful.

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Yeah.
It's good.

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So hey, I just want to shake it
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I'm not like anti Christmas, I'm
just anti commercial Christmas.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, I.
Just want to say that well, we

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are going to wrap up our
adoption series.

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So let's buckle up and let's hit
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Let's take it to the next level.
Let's.

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Fire up that twanga music.
From the hearts of the Low

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Country in South Carolina.
It's the Take Two podcast where

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we take theology to the next
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Wrapping up this five week
series, a lot of things we could

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say, a lot of things that have
been said.

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I was going to run this by you
get your thought, 'cause I, I, I

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think this is open to debate.
This is maybe a different way to

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think about adoption.
Well, the first way I'm going to

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say I don't think is open.
The second way is probably open.

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But one of the big takeaways
when you're reading all this

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adoption literature, really what
we want to get away from it, it

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kind of goes back to Turretin
Francis Turretin is that like

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16117 hundred something like
that?

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He wrote a famous systematic
theology that I think a lot of

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systematics followed Sue.
It kind of like set the stage to

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his pivotal, really well known.
He, the way that the adoption

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books put it, would say that his
version of the Ordo Salutis was

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forensically fixated,
emphasizing justification in a

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very unique way.
It's kind of the gateway to

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everything else.
Everyone's like Ordo Salutis is

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great, but some maybe maybe for
some people it can make us

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atomize or break apart
salvation.

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It's not doing that, but you
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it, but it can disconnect us a
little bit and Turretin in

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particular.
And then after that it was like

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Hodges and some well known
systematics in the 1800s,

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nineteen hundreds would say
things like adoption is maybe

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the other side of the just for
case adopting two sides of the

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same coin, not like totally off
base, but kind of like a

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negative and a positive side.
Or they would say things like

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justification is number 1.
And then after that, we get

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things like sanctification and
union with Christ and adoption,

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these other things.
And really trying to get away

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from that, where if you read a
lot of the literature today, it

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really centers around union with
Christ as kind of a centerpiece.

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And then we get all of these.
And even though there might be a

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logical ordering to it, it's
almost like you're experiencing

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these at the same time.
And it's it's not like you were

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justified.
And now you're not justified in

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a sense.
You're kind of continually being

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justified in a sense that in
Hebrews, we've read that Christ

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intercedes on our behalf where
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still almost like all these
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Probably not saying anything too
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This is what this author does
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He sits in the systematic chair
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Seminary in Philadelphia, and he
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He it's kind of confusing and he
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from some some scholars.
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stemming from union with Christ.
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it's union with the adopted son,
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he's not saying Jesus was not
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adopted as the Son of God, but
just for pull up Romans one,

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this is where this is where he
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he starts with union with Christ
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benefit is adoption.
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are things like justified and
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Romans one, or Ephesians?
Sorry, Romans 1.

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If you wanna, that's what you
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But then you started talking
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some stuff that was Ephesian 1S.
So I wanna make sure I that I

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got it right.
So I got Romans 1.

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Here can you read Romans 1?
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verses.
Read verses 3 through 5, maybe

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just three and four.
We might be able to get there.

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Yeah, can I start at the
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Yeah.
Or just start at one.

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Yeah, yeah, we'll get the full
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Paul, a bond servant of Christ
Jesus called an apostle, set

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apart for the Gospel of God,
which he promised beforehand

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through his prophets in the Holy
Scriptures concerning his Son,

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who was born of a descendant of
David according to the flesh,

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who was declared the Son of God
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from the dead, according to the
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our Lord.
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pivotal text that that that the
word declared there in the

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Greek, I guess can go a few
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Some translations have it
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it appointed.
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theologians would argue that
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moment.
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not the Son of God, but if he
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not have been the Son of God, if
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Like you can't like if Jesus
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it's it's one of these weird
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Yeah, yeah.
It's almost like saying if he

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he's a bachelor but it if he was
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bachelor.
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It's like an.
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Like a tautology.
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time arguing that because Christ
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declaration of pointing in a
unique way, not saying he wasn't

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like he goes through all the
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That's where a lot of people get
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but the other thing that people
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that.
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he says adoption is the primary
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sanctified.
Might be pressing a little bit

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too hard on there too.
There is actually some good

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papers going back and forth
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He's like the systematic chair
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And then there's Michael.
Ford born and raised in West

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Philadelphia.
Yeah, he's also The Fresh

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Prince.
And then there's theology called

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Michael Horton, who wrote this
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Yeah, he's great.
He's at Westminster in

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California.
And they kind of go back and

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forth and they they disagree.
They don't see this even within

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Westminster, which is pretty.
You pretty on the same uniform,

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you know what I mean?
I think a lot of our doctrinal

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issues, even you could say
Calvinism, Armenian, they come

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down to a struggling to
synthesize Scripture written

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from an A temporal mindset from
God's perspective, but also a

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temporal mindset from our
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Because there's, I think to me,
hearing you talk through the I,

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I feel like yes, in a sense we
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eternal now of God.
We're sanctified always.

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We're adopted always.
But then as what we experience

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is we go, Oh well, God planned
from eternity to save me.

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We know that because he's
sovereign, and there was a point

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in time when I became justified
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'Cause that's why I experienced.
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I become more and more
sanctified and all that is kind

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of shored up in this adoption.
So I think like there's this

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temporal way that we look at it,
and then this a temporal way

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that you know that God sees it
and you have scriptures kind of

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written from both perspective.
Yeah, you're probably never

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gonna make everyone happy or
reconcile all these things.

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I think that's a good way to put
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That's this that stems from a
lot of confusion where it's like

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how how do you view things
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I thought that was a good, I
didn't mention the Sunday

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School, but because I was like,
I was going to do that as part

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of review, but it's hard to do
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It's like that's just going to
confuse people and we're getting

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into theology and no one big
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Adoption's important is what I'm
trying to push, not this all

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this.
Other stuff, yeah.

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I think it's really, I mean, I,
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hopefully most of our church
after going through this, we'll,

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we'll, I, I don't know that I
would ever maybe talk about

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salvation again.
You know, we'll see Sure without

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saying, you know, an adoption.
Part of it, yes.

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Exactly.
Normally I would just talk

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about, you know, predestination,
the, you know, the the golden

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chain of redemption.
Yeah, that's right.

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Yeah, that's right.
Yeah, I, I think, I think that's

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that's really good.
And that's really the the crux

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of this.
You can read a lot of books and

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it's like they make adoption to
they almost like swing the

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pendulum too far too.
So it's kind of hot.

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It's hard to find that and I
think they're coming from it

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like it's been so under
emphasized.

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We're going to really emphasize
it's like, OK, how do we find

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this good balance?
Yeah, I was just wanting to look

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at this golden chain of
redemption.

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Real.
Quick because it's interesting

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because it's coming on the heels
of adoption.

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Yeah, yeah.
You know and.

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Could you just say that?
And we know that He causes all

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things to work together for good
to those who love God, to those

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who are called according to His
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For those whom He foreknew, He
also predestined to become

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conformed to the image of His
Son, so that He would be the

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first born among many brethren.
And those whom He predestined He

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also called.
And those whom He called He also

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justified.
And that these whom He

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justified, He also glorified.
I almost would just say adoption

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over all of that.
Yeah, yeah, it almost is.

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Like it's almost like a.
All-encompassing.

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It is like, you know, yes, if
you were God and not human, you

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could say the same thing about
Jay and Jax.

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Right.
Like you, you.

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Predetermined that you were
going to go adopt someone and

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then you called them to them
yourself and then you they

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became you know, that's a really
good point.

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You broke it all down.
But overall, that is the process

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of bringing someone into your
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That, and that's what I like.
This, this David, the Gardner

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guy, he's the one who has the
most like the like half the

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stuff I was like, I kind of
follow it is a little bit heady,

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but it's like, that's like the
point he was trying to make it

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so this family adoption language
is just so ubiquitous in

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Scripture.
It's kind of like you can't

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parse it out.
It's kind of like, and that's

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why it's like separated or it's
like, I don't know.

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But I think I think getting at
what you're saying.

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And then the other thing that
makes it hard is that there are

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a lot of, you know, redeeming
has like slavery, all these

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different propitiation is like
this cool tick, like satisfy.

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It's like you have all these
pictures that work together, but

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they're not always necessarily
the same picture.

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So it's like hard to, you know,
tease all these out persons.

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Yes, exactly.
Yeah.

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So it's hard to make everything
perfect.

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And in this final lesson, really
wanted to press.

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It was really great.
We had a panel a lot of great

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things said when the press on
like how do we make this

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applicable?
Because you know, it's doctrines

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good.
How does this change how you

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live?
Maybe it changes how you think,

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but if it changes how you think
a little bit, hopefully that

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impacts how you live.
And I have this question.

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What's the secret to a happy
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You asked us last week.
I asked, yeah, that's the last

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week.
I hope you've been thinking

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about it.
And then other question, this is

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a good one.
How would you summarize the

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gospel?
Maybe in I had five words or

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less or three words or less.
And I picked this cause Ji

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Packer answers both these
questions in his book.

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Charlie Kirk, he has a he has
something where he's.

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Like 5.
Words 4 Words 3 Words 2.

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Words one.
I think his one word is grace.

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Oh, that's good.
Maybe.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So he had something like that

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too.
I think that's a good it's a fun

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exercise.
Not that like you have to like I

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heard one.
Who was it?

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I heard there was a the critic.
Well, we won't get into it.

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The critic.
Yeah, I won't.

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I won't.
I won't derail here.

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But Ji Packer, his summary of
the gospel is adoption through

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propitiation.
So he kind of like couple big

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words in there, but he talks a
lot about propitiation and a lot

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about adoption.
And so he kind of like combines

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those together.
And I was like, oh, that's

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pretty good.
That's pretty good, succinct way

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to talk about the gospel.
And if and if it was 5 words, is

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it adoption through propitiation
and expiation?

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Yeah, like how do you, how do
you keep building it out?

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But I like, I like that a lot.
We won't go through review, I

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will.
I will just shout out Timmerman.

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Suzette and the Vasquezes were
really cool to hear hear from

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them.
One thing that I never got to

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talk about in this class, but I
was hoping to talk about some of

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these similarities.
But I think we talked about them

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like implicitly without having
to like identify them 'cause

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that that's really where a lot
of these lessons were targeted.

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But here's a few that I think we
can think about.

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Adoption most of the time is
seriously planned.

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It was seriously planned by by
God, usually very planned by us.

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Adoption stems from an
overflowing love.

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Adoption is costly.
Adoption is a legal transaction.

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It results in transformation.
It brings about new benefits and

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privileges.
Some of those are a new family,

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a new name.
It makes us heirs with an

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inheritance.
Adoption unites and transcends

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across cultural, socioeconomic
and ethnic lines.

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And really, as I started making
this, I was like, we could just

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like, you could say anything,
you know what I mean?

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Like adoption, you see these
similarities.

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And so that was kind of a goal
that as you see people who have

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been adopted, you would think
more about your adoption in

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Christ, which leads to this
question, what's the secret to a

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happy life?
And I bring this up, there is a

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country in the world doesn't
have time to talk about it

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that's been voted the happiest
country in the world for eight

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years in a row as of 2025, eight
years in a row.

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Do you know what it would?
Be Singapore.

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You would think that like a
really wealthy nation or

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something like that.
It's not.

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It is.
I'll give you a hint, it's in

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Europe.
Poland.

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Keep going north.
It's one of those northern.

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00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:39,480
Countries, then probably Norway.
Close.

452
00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:43,640
Sweden, Finland.
Finland and it kept getting

453
00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:46,320
voted like over and over like
happiest country in the world,

454
00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:49,400
The New York Times, I think it
was this article I read sent

455
00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:51,320
like a few report.
A few people are like, I'm going

456
00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:54,280
to investigate this and talk to
people and what they found out.

457
00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:56,200
Like when you talk to people,
people didn't seem happy.

458
00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,560
Like people were pretty like ho
hum, like middle of the road

459
00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:01,200
kind of people.
But that's exactly like what

460
00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:03,520
made them the happiest country.
It wasn't like highs and lows.

461
00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:06,360
Like when you would ask them,
they would say things like we're

462
00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:09,320
just content with what we have.
We're not particularly rich.

463
00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:11,360
We're not particularly poor.
We're kind of like middle Rd.

464
00:22:11,360 --> 00:22:15,320
but we don't ask for much.
We have what we have, like life

465
00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:19,840
is good kind of thing.
And if I were to compare that,

466
00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:22,080
and I think there's wisdom in
that, I could probably stand to

467
00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:23,800
be more content than I am.
And I think it's good.

468
00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:28,240
I think it's a good place to be.
All the all the business and

469
00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:29,920
development books, they never be
content.

470
00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:31,440
Yeah, we need.
More.

471
00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:32,520
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's good.

472
00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:34,040
We're gonna grow.
We're gonna, like, make more

473
00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:35,440
profit.
All these things.

474
00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:40,000
If you were not gonna put an
adoption gospel twist on this

475
00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:44,600
for us, it's not that we need to
be content with what we have to

476
00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:46,360
be happy.
It's like we probably don't

477
00:22:46,360 --> 00:22:48,360
think about all that we have.
It's probably the opposite

478
00:22:48,360 --> 00:22:50,120
problem.
We've got so much and we

479
00:22:50,120 --> 00:22:53,480
complain about other things or
we don't like realize all that

480
00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:57,320
we have in our adoption.
It's kind of like this side

481
00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:58,880
thing.
That's not something we think

482
00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:02,560
about and we're not content.
And the way the way Ji Packer

483
00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:06,640
put it is he said, if you want
to be happy, say this to

484
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:08,400
yourself.
Say I am a child of God.

485
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:11,400
God is my father, Heaven is my
home.

486
00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:15,400
Every day is one day near.
My Savior is my brother.

487
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,040
Every Christian is my brother.
Too.

488
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:20,080
It's good.
It's like just saying like

489
00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:22,800
simple truths over and over.
That's probably a good way.

490
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:23,880
To live your life, that's really
good.

491
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:28,440
And the way he says it is, he
says don't say it.

492
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:29,840
He's not like to say it once or
twice.

493
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:31,200
He says you should say this
first thing in the morning.

494
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:32,560
Say it first thing before you go
to bed.

495
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:33,760
Say it when you're brushing your
teeth.

496
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:34,960
Say it when you're waiting on
the bus.

497
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:37,560
He's like, just say it when you
got like time to say it.

498
00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,880
And he's like, I guarantee you,
you'll be a happier.

499
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:43,160
Person well, I hear you saying
this we need to record that put

500
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:45,960
that in our bumper so that every
podcast they they.

501
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:48,920
It just being said over and
over, I think I think it's

502
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,360
pretty hilarious.
Yeah.

503
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:55,320
That's like, that's like so good
that we just don't don't think

504
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:57,440
about.
I'm going to see if I can find

505
00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:01,440
it because I think I actually
typed it out here and it is.

506
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,200
We can make some commentary on
it.

507
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,920
It's a little bit lengthy, but I
think it's good and I read it

508
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,840
because he describes in more
detail or it's like maybe good

509
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:15,200
application.
He asks a lot of questions about

510
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,800
our adoption.
He says, maybe we'll stop every

511
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:21,520
now and then to talk about this.
He says, and I put this really

512
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:24,200
posted as as application for
this series.

513
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:26,640
He said, do I understand my
adoption?

514
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:30,320
Do I value it?
Do I daily remind myself of my

515
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:34,120
privilege as a child of God?
Have I sought full assurance of

516
00:24:34,120 --> 00:24:36,760
my adoption?
Do I daily dwell on the love of

517
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:38,680
God to me?
Good questions.

518
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:41,120
People probably don't think
about their adoption that much.

519
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,920
Going further, do I treat God as
my Father in heaven?

520
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:48,400
Do I love Him and honor Him and
obey Him, seeking and welcoming

521
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,560
His fellowship, trying
everything to please Him like a

522
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,280
human parent would want his
child to do?

523
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,480
Do I think of Jesus Christ, my
Savior and my Lord, as my

524
00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:01,240
brother, bearing to me not only
a divine authority but also a

525
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,920
divine human sympathy?
Do I think daily how close He is

526
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,400
to me, how completely He
understands me, and how much as

527
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,640
my kinsman Redeemer he cares for
me?

528
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:11,840
Have I learned to hate the
things?

529
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:13,600
And I like this too?
He kind of goes on the other

530
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:14,880
side of it.
Do you hate the things that

531
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,640
displease your father?
Am I sensitive to the evil

532
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,720
things to which he is sensitive?
Do I make a point of avoiding

533
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,560
them lest I grieve Him?
This one's really good.

534
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:27,400
Do I look forward to that great
family occasion when the

535
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,960
children of God will finally
gather in heaven before the

536
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,640
throne of God, their Father, and
of the Lamb, their brother, and

537
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,200
their Lord?
Have I felt the thrill of this

538
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:36,600
hope?
Do I love my Christian brothers

539
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:39,520
and sisters with whom I live day
by day in a way that I won't be

540
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,160
ashamed of when I'm in heaven
and I think back over it?

541
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,160
Am I proud of my father?
Am I proud of his family, to

542
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,560
which by his grace I belong?
Does the family likeness appear

543
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:50,400
in me?
If not, why not?

544
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:54,120
God humble us, God instruct us,
God make us his own true

545
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:55,840
children.
But I think it's back to what

546
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:57,480
you're saying.
It kind of encompasses like so

547
00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:58,920
much.
We just like think about these

548
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,280
things.
Just same thing with, you know,

549
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,280
our our salvage, like we know
these things are true and we we

550
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:07,880
could say them all day, but it's
like hard to, you know, really

551
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:11,320
live in in the light of it was
like, man, Ji Packer just nailed

552
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:12,720
it in that one chapter.
That's really good.

553
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:14,600
I had to go back and read this
book.

554
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:16,200
What in this?
What's what's the name of this

555
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:17,080
book?
Knowing God.

556
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:18,960
Knowing God.
Yeah, and just one chapter.

557
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:23,920
On I think the one I read was
the pink.

558
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:27,880
What's it?
AAW Pink, the sovereignty of God

559
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:29,440
or something like that.
Yeah, I don't know what it would

560
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:30,200
be like.
Yeah.

561
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:31,680
So maybe I need to go back and
read this one.

562
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:33,200
I know everyone's got the
initials.

563
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:38,400
Ji Packer, AW Pink, RC Sproul.
Yeah, yeah, every Christmas.

564
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:40,120
Yeah, talked about Christmas
earlier.

565
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:41,520
In fact.
Bring it back.

566
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:45,280
We were I I was thinking this is
a Tuesday episode.

567
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,120
This is a Thursday.
We're even closer.

568
00:26:47,360 --> 00:26:50,680
So we're even closer and house
for the holidays is tomorrow.

569
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,680
If you're listening to this on
the day of so anyways, anyways,

570
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:58,320
but every Christmas, actually
the day after Christmas, this is

571
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:00,760
something a tradition that Chloe
started.

572
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,440
I don't know why, but she, she
as a young child would be really

573
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,640
sad the day after Christmas and
she would look into the mirror

574
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,240
and say Christmas will be here
before you know it.

575
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:15,160
So we all get into the into a
bathroom on December 26th.

576
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,360
They look in the mirror and we
say Christmas will be here

577
00:27:17,360 --> 00:27:19,920
before you know it.
But reading that last bullet, we

578
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,520
should say heaven.
It will be here before.

579
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:23,800
You know, it it, it's, it's
good.

580
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:25,800
It's like, yeah, thinking about
that.

581
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,160
It's like, man, all of that,
That's like should be something

582
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:31,160
that is he says, like how I felt
the thrill of this hope, like

583
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,920
man should be thrilling, very
hopeful.

584
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,240
There's a lot of good things in
there.

585
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,080
And like his like he's got like
30 pages on adoption.

586
00:27:39,120 --> 00:27:42,400
It's like short, but it's like
every paragraph is so good.

587
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,000
Man Ji Packer, I've read, I've
read a couple of his books.

588
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,560
He has written a lot, a lot
about like the Puritans in

589
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:54,040
particular, but so good.
He like, like basically my

590
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,640
Sunday school lesson in revolver
on this chapter, but it's so

591
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,360
much of he'll be like, no one
talks about adoption.

592
00:27:59,360 --> 00:28:01,280
You go back to the Puritans.
It's like not as much as you

593
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:04,360
think it would be.
And then here, here's all the

594
00:28:04,360 --> 00:28:06,520
ways that we are adopted.
He he has all the great quotes.

595
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:08,560
Like, you know, adoption's the
highest privilege.

596
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,080
The gospel offers higher even
than justification and all of

597
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,400
these things like, man, it's
really, really good in just a

598
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,600
short.
It's like if the spend 8 hours

599
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,760
reading it, spend you know, a
little bit of time, 30 pages and

600
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:21,360
it's like you can get that if
you want more, there's more you

601
00:28:21,360 --> 00:28:22,760
could read, but that's like
succinct.

602
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,680
No, that's really good.
And I think he's hitting on this

603
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:29,560
theme that I've, you know,
picked up to and tried to repeat

604
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,480
when I'm teaching.
Is that it Justification alone

605
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,720
just kind of leaves you at 0?
Yes.

606
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,520
Yes, it gets rid of the
negative, which is a huge thing.

607
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,440
It's great because we could
never do that on our own.

608
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:43,800
But salvation is so much more
than that because, you know, you

609
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,800
know, if you're reading
Ephesians 28 and 9:00, well, Tim

610
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,480
comes after that and he's like,
and I've got good works for you

611
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:51,440
to walk through.
So it's not.

612
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,400
And that's, you know, that's not
going to happen if we're not

613
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,840
adopted into his family.
And we're, you know, we have

614
00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:01,040
those things because he uses us
in this way as part of his

615
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,040
family to bring about his will
on Earth.

616
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:07,280
Oh, so so good.
Is there anything in particular

617
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:11,600
that you wanted to hit on this
on the panel that like really

618
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:15,040
came came to your mind?
I'm trying to think through

619
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,600
anything in particular.
There's a lot of good things

620
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,760
said, but yeah.
The the that will air so maybe.

621
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:23,160
Oh, that's true.
We don't have to step on it.

622
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:24,920
It can be like it's yeah, check
it out, check it out.

623
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:25,480
It's really.
Good.

624
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,160
It's it's funny, I mean, I knew
what would happen, but it's like

625
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,400
these things like snowball and
like, it's like I had more

626
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,040
material planned, like in case
it was dead.

627
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,640
But same thing.
I did the Q&A at the Valentine's

628
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,120
Day banquet and it went, I think
it went really well.

629
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,000
But it's like some of the first
questions I asked of the

630
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,840
Valentine's banquet, it was like
one word, yes or no answers.

631
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:47,720
I was like, wow, we're gonna
roll through this real fast.

632
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:49,760
But then people open it.
But it was like, we don't have

633
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:51,240
enough time.
It was great, you know what I

634
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:52,560
mean?
And the same thing here.

635
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,520
And I did a better job.
Like, you know, I do this thing

636
00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,840
where I like gave everyone the
questions a month in advance was

637
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:01,400
like, hey, if you don't like
this question, tell me.

638
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,520
I won't ask you this, but this
is the question I want to ask

639
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:04,720
you, Suzette.
This is the question I want to

640
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:06,440
ask you and pick your questions
and these kind of things.

641
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,680
But it was good different foster
care perspective and adoptee

642
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,640
perspective with Suzette and the
Timberman's private adoption.

643
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,280
So good, different perspectives.
Listen to it.

644
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,000
And I think, you know, if we
would have let the cameras keep

645
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,400
rolling, we, I was like, I was
like, looking back, I was like,

646
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,360
Pastor Jill's gonna kind of cut
us off here.

647
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,520
Like, you know, he, he didn't,
he wasn't, but I was like, oh,

648
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,360
he's gonna start getting antsy.
I tried to, this is just my

649
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:32,160
personal preference.
I try to end exactly at 10:15

650
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:34,760
just 'cause like it's a good
people can have like 15 minutes

651
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:36,720
to fellowship.
And if you need, if you have

652
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,640
responsibilities, you need to be
like at the like, hey, I don't

653
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:41,040
want you to feel rushed.
Whatever.

654
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,560
Not that it's bad, but I know
there's grace in there.

655
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:45,200
But I do that just in case it's
like a little long.

656
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,120
I'm good, you know, So that's,
that's my goal.

657
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:54,440
I have been known to teach like
up to 1025 and they're like, OK,

658
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:56,240
I could get out.
That's good.

659
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,280
There's been when I was first
teaching, I was just trying to

660
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:03,360
get all that out and I, I am
actively like trying to wrap up

661
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:05,920
and Jack comes over.
This is a young.

662
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:07,920
He's like.
He did the time out.

663
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:11,080
He's like, come on brother, we
gotta cut this.

664
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,640
It's crazy.
I would love to get a breakdown

665
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,640
because this is my challenge.
I thought 5 Lessons was

666
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:20,120
appropriate for this, this
series, but it was like, man, I

667
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,320
and I naturally am a fast talker
anyway.

668
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,320
I just like, sometimes I'll like
put my notes and I'll look at

669
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,320
how many words I'll be like, how
long should this take to

670
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:28,880
present?
And they're like, you have an

671
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:30,360
hour and 15 minutes worth of
notes.

672
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:32,120
And I'm like, no, I don't, I'm
going for it 'cause I just like

673
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:33,640
talk.
I'm like, let's get this going.

674
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I try to go through it fast.
I think I could do better to

675
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slow down, but I'm always like,
I just want to hear all the

676
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information I need to do better
at like learning how to let

677
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things breathe or whatever.
But I'm just like, have you

678
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:42,640
heard this?
Have you heard this?

679
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:44,280
Have you heard this?
Like let's do this, this, this,

680
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It's good.
So, but anyway, that's the

681
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adoption series.
Hope you enjoyed.

682
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,360
It I, I've, I have, I have
learned.

683
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,280
I don't always learn from your
lesson, Zach, but I I did learn

684
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:59,720
from this a little bit.
Like usually I think I like I've

685
00:31:59,920 --> 00:32:02,000
I'm also been thinking I know
what my next adult

686
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:03,840
establishment.
Class is gonna be I've got on my

687
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:05,120
mind.
Are you gonna tell people or

688
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:06,880
secret?
Secret, I'll tell you, I'll tell

689
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:08,640
you off air.
Maybe it's a terrible idea, but

690
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,120
it's a it's a, it's a different,
different spin on things.

691
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:14,080
So anyway, what's what's we know
what's next?

692
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,080
Maybe Christmas stuff.
Yeah, maybe some Christmas

693
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:17,920
stuff.
We don't really know.

694
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:22,200
We gotta we gotta figure it out.
We we may be interviewing

695
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,040
someone that's.
Actually, very true.

696
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,680
Yeah, we hate to say it's a for
sure thing when kids does that,

697
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,000
but I think yeah, that's great.
Yeah, maybe interviewing a

698
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,680
couple of different people,
someone who reached out to us.

699
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:35,440
Yeah, Yeah, we're in demand.
Yeah, that would be pretty cool.

700
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:36,280
I hope that.
I hope that comes.

701
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:37,600
Through I do hope that comes
through sweet.

702
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:39,400
Well, I love it.
Well, thanks for hanging in

703
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there with us.
That's our take.

704
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Thanks for listening to Take
Two.

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