End Times 101: Postmillennialism

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Post mill.
Post Millennial.

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We we were just talking about
Lucky Charms and if Michael

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didn't know any better, he
almost looked into a post meal

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mindset that life couldn't get
better.

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Chloe's birthday, eating Lucky
Charms, living life good and I

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if you're thinking post meal to
keep it simple, think hope,

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think positiveness, hope for
gospel victory.

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Things are getting better and
better, specifically through the

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church, Yes.
Prior to the Christ return.

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We're essentially ushering in
the golden age.

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With Israel.
With so, so, so big picture

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central claim post
millennialism, it teaches that

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the gospel will gradually
transform the world before

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Christ returns.
The Kingdom of God is growing.

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We look at these parables, it's
growing through the church, and

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history trends towards a golden
age of righteousness, an age of

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peace, and the age of justice
before the final return of

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Christ.
And gates are defensive things.

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There, there, there you go.
Right, and the gates of hell

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will not prevail, which assumes
that the church is on the

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offense.
Wow, we're already coming out

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swinging.
We'll do this.

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Try to put away your
preconceived motion like oh

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you're.
That's all in favor.

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Well, imagine this.
We'll close our eyes.

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Imagine a world where education,
where the law, where society

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perfectly reflects God's
justice, where corruption

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declines, poverty lessons,
faithfulness to God is what

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shapes communities.
Post Bill says this, this is

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this is not a fantasy, but this
is where things are going.

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It's the trajectory of God's
Kingdom gradually unfolding

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before Christ comes.
And on some level all of us

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would say that that's where it's
going.

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They're just saying this is
leading into God, Christ coming

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back.
So a good question to ask is,

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you know, where do you see
gospel influence in your city,

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in your school, in your
workplace?

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When you think of this, you
know, hope purpose, this

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trajectory.
This is this is like prime

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primary to this view.
This is what is going through

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every post Mills head.
Has a name.

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Hey, I love that song all.
Right, all right, so should we

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take it to the next level?
Let's fire up that twanga music.

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From the hearts of the Low
Country in South Carolina.

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It's the Take Two podcast where
we take theology to the next

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level.
Post mail Let's look at some

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scriptures that post mail would
think about South a classic

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Matthew 2818 through 20 what
some what many would call the

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Great Commission.
Jesus makes says some very, very

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famous words, gives the church
her marching orders kind of

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shows us, you know what what we
are to do.

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So when you get there, do would
you like to?

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Read I have no idea where he is,
but I was on the wrong tab.

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I was on the opening tab.
I was like where is he at?

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And I was like, this is lined
up, yes.

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But yes, if I had been on the
right tab, I would have been

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here sooner.
And actually I have one of my

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things here because I read it.
So 18 through 20.

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You got it.
And Jesus came up and spoke to

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them saying all authority.
It's like you'd want to break

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right into that Parks and
Recreation thing.

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She was like, What you may have
heard is some authority, but

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what I said is, all authority
has been given to me in heaven

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and earth.
Go therefore and make disciples

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of all the nations, baptizing
them in the name of the Father

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and the Son and the Holy Spirit,
teaching them to observe all

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that I commanded you.
And lo, I am with you always,

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even to the end of the age.
Wow.

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So we're we're called to go and
make disciples and postmills

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will say, well, they'll at least
emphasize that the church is

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tasked with this and this
transforms the world.

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Discipleship, Kingdom work.
This is how the world changes.

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So you think every act that you
teach, every act of mercy, every

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act of justice, this is what
gets us to this golden age.

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They don't look at passages like
Psalm 110, this messianic Psalm

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quoted extensively, you know, in
the New Testaments, it's about

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Christ reigning, executing
justice.

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And they'll say, you know,
Christ's Kingdom is already

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being established spiritually,
gradually.

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This is like where it's going.
And then where are you turning

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to, Michael?
I didn't know if did you want to

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read any of Psalm 10, Psalm 110,
or do you just want?

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To I I actually I actually do
have it here.

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I didn't.
Know if you had wanted to read

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any of.
That this will sound familiar,

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the Lord says to my Lord, sit up
my right hand, until I make your

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enemies your footstool.
The Lord sends forth from Zion

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your mighty scepter rule in the
midst of your enemies.

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Your people will offer
themselves freely on the day of

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your power and holy garments
from the womb of the morning.

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The dew of your youth will be
yours.

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The Lord has sworn and won't
change his mind.

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You are a priest forever after
the order of Melchizedek.

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The Lord is at your right hand.
He will shatter kings on the day

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of His wrath.
He will execute judgment among

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the nations, filling them with
corpses.

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He will shatter chiefs over the
white earth.

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He will drink from the brook.
By the way, therefore, he will

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lift up his head.
Habakkuk, 214.

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Yeah, for the earth will be
filled with the knowledge of the

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glory of the Lord as the waters
cover the sea.

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And So what they're going to
say, if the earth will be filled

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with that, there's a progression
to that.

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God's Kingdom is going to be
widespread.

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Eventually it's going to be
everywhere because how much

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water covers the sea?
A lot, right?

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The sea is water.
So it's going to be everywhere.

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Christians are part of this
Kingdom expansions.

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We won't talk, we'll talk about
this in historic pre mill as

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well.
But they'll look at, you know,

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Psalm 72 talks about
righteousness, justice, peace

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under the King's reign.
Isaiah 11, this peaceful

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coexistence of creatures.
Romans 11 talks about this

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ultimate fulfillment of God's
plan for all nations and they,

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they see this progression where
like a historic pre mill when

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they look at Psalm 72, we'll
look at this next time in Isaiah

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11 and other passages in Isaiah,
they might see this is a weird

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time where things are going
really good.

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I think Isaiah would say things
like, you know, a young man will

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be 100 years old and no one will
die as an infants and a historic

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pre mill might look at that and
say, well, that doesn't sound

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like the eternal state where
people are dying when they're

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100.
But it seems like an in between

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time.
Or I mean, you know, it seems

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like maybe this millennial reign
where you're like in this weird

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in between because are people
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You know, and Psalm 72 kind of
says some of these same same

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things.
So things to think about where

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different systems place emphases
where they are saying, well,

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this is where things are going
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And so maybe we can look at a
sequence, a timeline of events,

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try to get our bearings.
So the church age.

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Where does it start?
Acts one through 28.

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The gospel is spreading from
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You know your traditional
Baptist would go.

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It starts when he calls the
apostles.

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There you go.
That's that's it.

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Yeah, that's that's a, that's a
good point.

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These post bills would say that,
you know, Christians are holding

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faithfully their discipling
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They're having this influence on
culture and and through this,

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the Kingdom is growing not only
spiritually but also socially

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and morally.
And, and you're going to see

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this bleed into education while
on government, culture, media,

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economics.
It's not gonna be in some

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perfection, gradual.
And and if you're looking back

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at America's history, you might
be like this.

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This was happening and that's
why most people were post meals

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at that time.
Yeah, and it's easy to sit here.

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You know, I was even thinking
back to our previous episode on

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this top topic big, and I was
saying, well, there's a lot of

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things going on.
But you know, if you've looked

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at Jay Warner Wallace's person
of interest, he goes through how

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crazy Christianity has
transformed the world through

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education, hospitals, science,
the arts, all the things that

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have been changed because of
Christ, and you go, wow, this.

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That's good.
Has had a huge impact for the

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good.
Hospitals, orphanages, yeah,

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technology, all the things.
I love the pushback.

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When I like, see pushback,
people are like, well, it's

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'cause everyone was Christians
or they're like, or, you know,

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have you seen this kind of
thing?

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Like they're like, well, no one
was not a Christian.

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There were places that everyone
wasn't a Christian.

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And it wasn't so.
Great.

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And they weren't doing those
things, so there you go.

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So we'll probably talk about
this, but you know, Puritans,

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Jonathan Edwards, you can
imagine you're coming to, you

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know, you're in this new world
and you're like, wow, we have

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like our, you know, our
religion, like everything we're

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we're building everything up.
This is kind of a golden age

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where you would start to see
some of that a little bit.

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And really in their version of
the golden age would be the

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virtually all nations
experiencing significant gospel

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influence, this peace, this
justice, godliness or

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flourishing.
I'm deaf and sin or not absent,

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still presence, but restrained
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And this really is prep,
preparation for Christ, visible

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return.
And then after this, we're

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getting into this golden age,
Christ will return, visible,

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public, glorious believers
resurrected, final judgement to

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follow.
And we have this final

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judgement, this new heavens and
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And so we see it's hopeful,
active engagements, not

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escapism.
And you can kind of see the

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outworkings of it.
I think it's easier in a pre

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meal context to be escapist.
I'm going to withdraw from the

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world.
I don't like the way schools are

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going.
I'm going to homeschool all my

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kids.
I don't think that's a bad

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thing.
But it's like, you know, public

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schools are probably getting
worse and worse the more

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Christians are like I'm gonna
have I'm not gonna talk to

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school boards.
I'm gonna like totally isolate

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versus like, hey, we're gonna if
you go to a place like Moscow,

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ID Doug Wilson post millennial
like that, that whole city is

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like taking on.
We're gonna transform the city

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'cause they are post minded and
it's like everything just looks

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like different.
Like they have like their own

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coffee shops and you know, it's
like they're trying to really

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take over in that way.
Also, Doug Wilson's big

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proponent of homeschool stuff.
He's trying through like, you

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know, these classical
conversations and homeschool

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things to really give a good
product and, and change.

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You can see the timeline.
Not that much different from

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AMIL really.
The emphasis is just on the

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trajectory is what ushers in
Christ's returns getting

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positive.
But there still is 1000 year

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reign of Christ physically
bodily on earth for post meal,

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right?
I I.

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Don't think so.
I I don't think there's.

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You don't think so?
I don't think.

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So.
So it's still a spiritual reign

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right now.
And then we, then Jesus, Boom.

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And then boom, when Christ
returns, it is like believers

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are erected final judgment, new
creation, new heavens and new

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earth.
Where I think and I I might have

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put this, we'll we'll talk about
the historical development, but

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I think I don't know when when
this happened, but I don't I

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think at some point there was no
such thing as post mill and AW

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mill.
It was all it was everything was

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post mill.
There was no AW mill and so it

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was hard to like tease out a few
things.

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So while you're.
Yeah, I just want to check.

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Looking up some stuff that's
good, I'll go through some

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historical development.
Really at its high point in the

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Puritan era, we mentioned
Jonathan Edwards believed that

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widespread spiritual revival
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And so the Puritans, they often
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that would be in a lockstep with
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the nation's, the culture would
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Kingdom principles.
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century New England, the
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reform seen as a partial Kingdom
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We mentioned modern Doug Wilson.
He's like the big guy there,

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Kenneth Gentry.
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education, society.
We're we're transforming all

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these things.
So what?

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What'd we find?
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Yeah, I hate this name.
Yeah, yeah.

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Why would?
You call yourself POST.

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It's very similar.
If you don't believe in an

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actual millennial reign, y'all
gotta fix that name.

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It's really I'm like, I have a
visceral reaction to this.

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So it's like Christ comes after
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the golden age, which again,
it's spiritualized because it

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can't be 1000 years 'cause we're
already 2 in year 2000 and, you

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know, 26.
So you think about that and it

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really does change the way.
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right.
It's the same as.

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I'm kind of Yeah, it's kind of
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It's just going very positive.
We're ushering in a golden age,

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so we're in it now.
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it.
It might be a little more hazy

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when we when we hit that.
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more the more simple ones.
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this.
I also, I don't know if we're

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gonna get to it, but they would
look at a lot of the parables in

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Matthew, these Kingdom parables,
the mustard seed that grows,

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starts small but becomes the
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You know, you look at all these
parables and there's this like

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trajectory and they would say,
well, that's gotta that, that

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that's what's happened.
The gospel does have effects, so

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it's very hopeful, very
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If you take away anything, you
think about how God's Kingdom

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reshapes society before Christ
returns, kind of leading up

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preparing the way for Christ.
And if you look, we won't go

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through this a lot, but omil
verse post meal often they were

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lumped together for centuries.
If you're looking at the

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medieval period, there's not
like a ton of different

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readings.
So Omil and post meal like claim

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the same people a lot of times
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Not really.
It wasn't until this Puritan era

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where we talked about more of
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it was really post meal became
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from Awmil.
So anyway, something to consider

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if you're looking back, like why
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There's like no such thing.
It was like all kind of lumps

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together.
One thing we won't get into, but

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if you've heard of theonomy,
God's law, a lot of times that's

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going to be with post meal
because you're reinstating this

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justice system of God's law.
Not all post Millers are

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theonymous, but if you're a
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definitely a post Miller, if
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So anyway, that those are some
big picture ideas of post meal.

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I think if you understand all
mill, you kind of get post meal.

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You just kind of get the bent of
it is positive and you can step

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back from the world and you can
see man, the gospel has brought

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a lot of good things.
You can see well, it seems like

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maybe in America, maybe in
Europe, it's on the decline, but

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you look at Africa and South
America and China and it's like

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man, Gospel seems like things
are going really well.

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It's I mean spreading in a good
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You look at the numbers, you're
like, holy cow, you know, now

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the Bible's in all these
different languages.

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You may have the Internet and
like you can have access like

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man, this is so you, you can,
you can get behind that.

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Like you can see that the flip
side is you're like, man, not

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everything's not all roses and
sunshine at the same time.

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Yeah, there's a there's
debauchery.

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Running, yeah, it really bets
up.

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And you, you don't have to look
very far.

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Look at our home country and
you're like, what's going on?

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All these things, You're like
what what's what's happening?

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It can be, it can be tough.
So I guess from a positive

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standpoint, it's optimistic.
Who doesn't like a good story?

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You know, I guess all of the
stories are good if you look the

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horizon's long enough.
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It's more and and you know,
optimistic, I think you know,

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any of these any of these
systems, you can have certain

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disposition doesn't change how
you act, but this one lends

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itself to engaging the world a
little more because you're like,

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man, this gospel is going to
transform, not just spiritually,

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but convinced on a societal
level emphasizes me.

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We need to be discipling people.
The Great Commission.

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Let's engage with the culture
weaknesses is it can feel

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unrealistic and suffering
context it's hard to you know

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tell that person suffering for
years and years and years

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you're.
Ushering in the golden age right

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now in Somalia.
Yeah, that.

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And India?
You look at wars, pandemics,

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persecution.
You see injustice everywhere.

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You might say maybe I'm not so
optimistic.

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You look at some of these texts
that talk about, you know, God's

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glory going everywhere doesn't
doesn't necessarily mean like

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success monetarily or society or
morally right here and now.

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Maybe it's looking a little bit
future kind of into where you

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want to put things.
And you know, history doesn't

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always trend upward.
It's like up and down, up and

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down, you know, Europe, America
on a high point now, not

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anymore.
Things kind of, you know, shift

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and go.
So anyway, I've got a little bit

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on here in theonomy, but that's
like a whole that's just.

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Like I saw that section I was
scrolling through.

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It's just a whole I, I don't
have a good feeling because or a

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good handle on it, because I
feel like everyone interprets

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theonomy differently.
Like if you just mean God's law,

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that's very vague.
But some people are like, man,

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let's get Leviticus out.
We're we're doing this, you know

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what I mean?
Even if I was a theonomist, I

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wouldn't turn to Leviticus.
I mean that was.

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Yeah, and I, I might be
misspeaking for them where they

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would, you know, I don't know.
It's.

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But I have a rail around your
roof.

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Yeah, all all the things you're
supposed to do and how much is

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like, you know, well, that's
that outworking of that silver

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wall different in our context,
but there are the outworkings

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that and now that I don't
there's all this disagreement on

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it that I kind of get get lost
and how to how to understand it

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totally, But it's a good, you
know, exercise in, you know, the

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Christians.
How much do you get involved in

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politics and these kind of
things.

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And it I'm always fascinated
with this conversation of

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engaging culture slash withdraw,
slash withdrawing from culture

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because I see good arguments on
both sides.

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And I do think man, public
school as a general rule, not

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everywhere, but it's like, man,
not a good obviously not a good

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decision for my family.
On the flip side, it would be

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cool if I don't know how many
Christians are in America that

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are strong Christians.
If it's like, man, we inject X

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amount of $1,000,000 a million
people into a public school

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system.
Can you change that?

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Can you not?
Or it's like, man, the

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government is too powerful where
you just should give up and run

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away or that kind of thing, you
know?

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And so I think those are good.
I don't think you should

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sacrifice your children.
I wouldn't.

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I wouldn't phrase it like you
said.

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No, but I think that's.
How it's still like a different

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way.
I'm fine, battle smart because I

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don't think children were ever
meant to be the front runner,

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front runners of the missions,
right?

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No, I, I agree and maybe I'm
getting more at, I think the

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likelihood of you being on a
school board in the public

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school probably goes down 'cause
you're probably investing in the

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private schools, but not a not a
bad thing.

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Private schools do good.
But you can see probably you get

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less involvement in government
kind of things by Christians by

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virtue of that, I think as a
general rule, probably because

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maybe energies are focused in
other places, which I'm not

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saying that's a bad thing.
It's like you got God's school

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and Satan's school.
I'm going to invest in God's

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school.
Right.

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And it's like Satan's school, do
what you want.

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We'll kind of stand by the side
and maybe we'll put a a post up

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or something.
But we're not actively like

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going to the school board
meetings and those kind of

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things, which is let them let
them do their thing.

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You kind of we'll kind of step
back into like our circle and

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you.
You.

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I don't I don't I I disagree.
Pulling my kids out of public

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school has nothing to do with
how I interact with other adults

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and and extending the circle of
Christianity.

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So there there's lots of other
realms other than education.

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And that is true.
There there are, you know so.

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And I'm, I'm playing devil's
advocate because part of it is

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Christian schools were
essentially, at least in, in

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America, a lot of them are in
60s, seventies, 80s to say, Hey,

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I don't want my kid to go to
school with black people.

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So we're going to start a
Christian School because we

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think, and so you get into these
things, you're like, man, was

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that the right thing to do for
Christians?

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Or did we miss the boat?
And that's just one specific

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example, But I am being devils.
I've got where it's like we kind

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of lost that war.
We kind of, or looked not in

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good light from that kind of
stuff.

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And it's like, you know, these
decisions of escapism, I don't

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think they're necessarily bad.
I think it is good to withdraw

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and escape sometimes.
But those are the kind of things

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is like, you know that a good
motivating factor to start your

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Christian School.
Yeah, well, I mean, regardless

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of how they got started.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And that's not every school
that's like, I think

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specifically that is like North
side.

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I'm not saying that's like
Northwood, but I think that was

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a big movement is like, oh,
we've got to segregate.

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Well, we're gonna start our own
school where black people can't

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go to school here or you know,
and I know they're they're not

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like that now.
I think they would renounce all

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that, but I'm just saying that.
Mix of of races at Northwood

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that's.
Great.

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No, I, I think there has been
like repentance from that from

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these schools, but it's like
just the origins.

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I think that's, I think that's
where a lot of that kind.

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Of Are you happy your kids are
at private schools?

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It doesn't sound.
Like I am, but I, I I do I.

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I do you feel burdened You've
you're kind of pulled that

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you're maybe in the wrong spot
or.

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No, no, I don't.
I don't like escapism as a

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general.
I like and maybe it's like a

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losing battle, like we don't
need to fight, but I kind of

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like engaging a little bit and
that kind of stuff.

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And I'm not a post mail person,
but I do think the gospel is

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powerful in in that sense.
Sending my kids to a public

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school as letting them be held
hostage by the enemy for 8 hours

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a day, for five days a week, 180
days a year.

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No, I I I don't disagree.
My kids are not in public

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school, but you have to.
Think, I mean, they're we talk

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to our kids like, hey, at
Northwood, not everyone is a

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believer.
So you got to pick your friend

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groups.
Well, so it's not like they're

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in this monastery close up
against the world.

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They are, you know, Northwood is
a, you know, we'll let really

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basically anyone come in as long
as you can behave right and you

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have basically good at, you
know, academics.

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So it's not like this cloistered
we're away from the world.

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So I would say a lot of the
charges that you know, just

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don't, they just fall flat to me
like.

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Yeah, yeah.
And it, it's just like a thought

451
00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:32,600
experiment of if you, if you
know these kids in these private

452
00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:35,200
tuition schools and you invested
the resources and time, could

453
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:39,560
you, is it like you, you know,
engage your community or is it

454
00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:42,080
like, man, communities like too
far gone?

455
00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:44,400
Because I think if you went back
in time 50 years, you might say

456
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:46,680
public schools are OK.
Would you disagree with that?

457
00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:49,920
I thought my public school, I
don't have to go back 50 years,

458
00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,080
so I could go back, you know,
less than that.

459
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:55,480
But I was also in rural
Arkansas, where a lot of the

460
00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:59,640
teachers and the school board
were all Christians because we

461
00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:01,080
were in the Bible Belt.
That's right.

462
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:03,600
And then you know that.
School today is not that way.

463
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:06,400
That's right, maybe probably
most of the Christians are in

464
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:08,800
the Christian School.
It's like a pulled out or kind

465
00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:09,920
of.
Thing not there.

466
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:11,240
Oh, right.
Yeah.

467
00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:14,400
So it's more Christians public
school, more secular in the

468
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:17,680
private schools.
No, no, I'm saying we're in my

469
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:21,280
hometown.
Everything has become

470
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:23,200
secularized.
Everything OK?

471
00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:25,400
Gotcha.
So it's just like they're the,

472
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:31,840
the, the, the amount of
Christians in general across

473
00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:35,360
society has gone down.
And so, I mean, there are still

474
00:23:35,360 --> 00:23:37,120
a lot of Christians who go to
that public school.

475
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:43,240
The only the closest private
school is a Church of Christ

476
00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:46,680
school like 13 miles away and
most people do not send their

477
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,920
kids there.
Some have, but most don't

478
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:53,400
because of the the concerns
about Church of Christ which we

479
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:56,520
did not cover in our cults.
There's always time, always

480
00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:58,440
time.
And so anyway, when you're

481
00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:01,040
looking at these systems, it
just shows not that everything's

482
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:05,680
A1 size Fidel, but different
maybe ways that you would

483
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:07,280
engage.
Like if you go back to the

484
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:10,240
Puritans, they'll be like, man,
we're we're starting all these

485
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,760
schools and we're starting to,
you know, it's like you're,

486
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:14,720
you're doing all these things.
I'm not saying that stuff is not

487
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:20,080
done now, but but it's Jonathan
Edwards, known known for the for

488
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,680
the private schools where in
premium.

489
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,280
This is not a general.
I think the consensus is for a

490
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:29,120
lot of premiums, it's getting
everything is getting there.

491
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:33,160
There you go that, that things
are getting so bad that it's

492
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:37,400
like, man, you gotta, you got to
kind of protect yourself and

493
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,400
isolate.
And it's like, you know what?

494
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:42,040
It's, you know, these kind of
things.

495
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,200
I think there's different
spheres where it, where it makes

496
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,320
sense or not.
You got to make, make those

497
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:49,880
judgement calls on you know
what, what is OK for you and

498
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,080
your family and where you push
and where you don't 'cause I

499
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,160
think a lot of people be like,
man, politics are like a lost

500
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:55,320
cause.
Let's not engage.

501
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,280
Other people are like, no, we
need to engage and let's work

502
00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,720
out that kind of thing.
And I think people have

503
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:01,800
different, different viewpoints
on that.

504
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:05,480
Yeah, I will say this.
If you're concerned about the

505
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:09,080
public school, private school
split and you're an adult, go

506
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:10,720
teach in a public school.
That's great.

507
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,080
I mean, I think that's good.
Jonathan's wife does that.

508
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:15,640
Yeah, I watched it for a long
time.

509
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:19,600
It's our church does that
there's a lot of Christians who

510
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,720
can have a positive influence on
kids there.

511
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:29,880
And like you said, I'm teaching
one Class A day, I'm coaching,

512
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:32,360
I, I, I sponsor stuff at a
private school 'cause that's

513
00:25:32,360 --> 00:25:36,320
where my kids are.
But I don't, I don't see that as

514
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:39,160
you know, I don't know there's
there's a lot of non believers

515
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,640
there that I get to interact
with and influence and share the

516
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,960
gospel with.
So that's good.

517
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,640
Yeah, no, I, I, I, I, I think
it's good.

518
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:51,200
I think, you know, it's good.
The more we have believers and

519
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,160
all these different things.
I think that that, that that's,

520
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,040
that's the, the really
important, important part.

521
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:57,520
I think it.
I mean, I know talking to

522
00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:58,640
language.
He was a public school teacher.

523
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,720
It's like, man, it's just like
no one know.

524
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,080
No one knows like their right
hand from their left a lot of

525
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,320
times, you know what I mean?
Where it's like, man, she went

526
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,120
out there for a hand, you know,
six or seven years or something

527
00:26:09,120 --> 00:26:13,400
like that and just had felt like
she had a very dramatic impact

528
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,840
on like, so, you know, so many
kids and that kind of thing post

529
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:18,200
meal.
Anything else you want to say?

530
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,320
Yeah, I was you were reading all
this and I was thinking of this.

531
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:26,240
This is from Nehemiah, it says
in those, this is the last

532
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,920
chapter, it says in those days I
also saw the Jews had married

533
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:33,360
women from Ashdod, Amman and
Moab, As for their children has

534
00:26:33,360 --> 00:26:35,920
spoke the language of Ashdod,
and none of them was able to

535
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:39,000
speak the language of Judah, but
the language of his own people.

536
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,840
So I contended with them, and I
cursed them, and I struck some

537
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,760
of them and pulled out their
hair and made them swear by God.

538
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:46,760
You shall not give your
daughters to their sons, nor

539
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:50,320
take of their daughters for your
sons, for yourselves.

540
00:26:51,120 --> 00:26:53,560
Yeah.
Yeah, and probably you're like,

541
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:57,400
Andrew, how does that fit in?
But if you recall our series,

542
00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,800
oh, I loved it.
There was like this lot of this

543
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,880
hope.
Oh, man, we are gonna we've

544
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:06,960
we've gone into captivity.
We're coming out of captivity.

545
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,600
We have a chance to do this
right.

546
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:13,800
And we're going to set it up.
It's rubbable Taught the people.

547
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:19,000
Who's the guy?
Before Ezra came over and was a

548
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:23,560
priest, Nehemiah helped build
the wall, and they're there not

549
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,000
too long ago and they mess it
up.

550
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,880
Yep, every single time.
It's like, man, they have

551
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:32,000
everything.
And it's because there was, you

552
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:35,520
know, Christ was absent, you
know, and it's like that, that,

553
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:40,960
that that's what what you need.
So I just don't have faith that

554
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:45,120
I know even the church empowered
by Christ, because these were

555
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:49,360
arguably Christ people.
Christ had not come in the

556
00:27:49,360 --> 00:27:51,440
fullness, but he still hasn't
come in the fullness.

557
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,480
I just don't have faith that the
church is going to be able to do

558
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:55,800
it 'cause I think we're going to
always go.

559
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:59,320
You know what, we long for
Christ return.

560
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:04,200
We are not getting it.
Yep, I I could not agree more.

561
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,440
That's post millennialism in a
nutshell.

562
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:11,480
Next we'll we'll start hitting
on the pre mill side of things.

563
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:13,360
Do we transition to the final
take?

564
00:28:13,360 --> 00:28:15,160
That's it.
Yeah, kind of already had our

565
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,080
final take.
We've talked about private

566
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:18,680
schools.
That's great.

567
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:21,240
It's great.
I I know the battle.

568
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,920
The battle is like we're past
the point where it's like over

569
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:28,840
anyway, but it's I think it I
don't I'm trying to think of

570
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:35,080
what other areas where it's like
just a mass exodus where you

571
00:28:35,120 --> 00:28:39,480
retreats, which excuse.
Me the word retreat what I

572
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:40,840
don't.
I, you don't think it's Yeah,

573
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:42,000
yeah, yeah.
I know, I, I, I know.

574
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,240
I I'm being like provocative
with how I'm saying it.

575
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:48,240
It's also like, it's great.
Mars Hill pastor, former pastor

576
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,680
marked your school for like
their men's conferences.

577
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,080
We'd never call them a retreat
cause men don't retreat.

578
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:55,960
It was a men like I don't know
what he called it, but it was

579
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:57,200
like we don't use the word
retreat.

580
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:57,880
We're on the.
Opposite.

581
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:00,160
Yeah, yeah, yeah, maybe they
said something.

582
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,240
It's like funny, like it was
like intentional 'cause we don't

583
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:03,320
retreat.
That's right.

584
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,680
But it's one of those things
that's like, I, I'm, I am very

585
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,680
pessimistic and I think, you
know, don't have a lot of faith

586
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,960
in United States government as
a, as a whole, where it's like,

587
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:18,840
I don't know what you do from a,
from a global perspective and

588
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:20,640
maybe nothing.
I mean, in my mind, it's like

589
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:22,720
part of me like believes in
America's ideals where it's

590
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,000
like, man, if enough people
voice their opinion and it's

591
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:29,040
like there's people in a
community that can't, but I

592
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:31,120
don't, I don't think it really
would change anything, you know

593
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:32,760
what I mean?
Because I don't think people

594
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,680
have that mindset really
anymore, you know what I mean?

595
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,680
It's, it's like a lost cause.
I think we're past that point.

596
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:47,760
Adults ranging from 20 up to 60
and I'm like, they need a

597
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:51,520
spanking.
They just literally need some

598
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,160
physical punishment to help and
wake them up.

599
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:58,200
But, and I'm like, if I were a
dictator, I might install some

600
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,520
physical punishment because it's
just craziness.

601
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:05,000
It it's like mayhem, like it's
like culture is so insane.

602
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:08,840
I'm sure it's like 10%.
That looks like it's 95%.

603
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:10,240
Yeah, right.
That's probably true.

604
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:16,520
But I I just like, man, you're
so invested in everything that's

605
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,280
evil.
Yeah, yeah.

606
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:21,600
So yeah.
And anything that's good, you

607
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:26,720
berate as though it's evil.
It is, and it's like, are we

608
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,320
looking at the same thing?
Yeah, it's so, so crazy.

609
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:32,360
Like the comment on the short
that Jill had about obedience.

610
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:33,600
Goodness, that was out of
control.

611
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,200
By teaching a child to obey,
well, that's groom, that's

612
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,280
grooming.
I'm like, that's the opposite of

613
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,440
grooming.
You know, the I'm not saying

614
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:45,240
that there aren't Christian kids
who are abused and stuff, but

615
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:50,960
like the stories of foster care
kids who have no, you know,

616
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:54,400
base, no foundation, no
teaching, no loving parents.

617
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,520
Those are like the most at risk.
It's not.

618
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:58,560
It's the kids that.
Are in stable and the comment

619
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:00,680
too was like weird.
It was like grooming, but then

620
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:02,920
they were like well maybe that's
the point or something like that

621
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:06,720
like even like more you're like
yeah, you're missing the

622
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:11,320
overarching point point of that
of that short word.

623
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:15,280
Yeah, you look at that, you're
like, man, it does look, look

624
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,160
bleak from that.
It's very, you know, United

625
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,280
States of America, very
conflicting place right now.

626
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:23,400
You know what I mean?
Where it's like it is, it is

627
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:27,480
tough.
I yeah, I I could be wrong,

628
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:32,120
maybe post mail is right, but I
think I think United States is

629
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:36,000
in for some tough times because
that's what's what's going to

630
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:37,840
wake people up.
I know, man.

631
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:43,800
It is what's, you know, South
America, Africa, you know, we'll

632
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,600
see if you know, I, I always
look at the numbers and I'm

633
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:48,800
always like, I need to dive in
the move.

634
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,400
It's like blown away.
I don't know what categorizes

635
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,760
everything as Christian or not
or what, how wide a swath

636
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:58,320
they're working with or
whatever, you know, but the

637
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:00,200
numbers are.
And it's really my experience

638
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,960
too, like even with like Co
workers and that kind of thing,

639
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:06,560
it's a pretty big age divide
where the younger you get,

640
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,560
people are like quote, UN quote,
like more open minded, but in a

641
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,480
much more negative way, you know
what I mean?

642
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,760
Or even if I'm talking to
someone who works with us, who's

643
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:19,160
60 years old, even if like they
don't believe what I believe,

644
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:22,880
it's just like the mind, the
mindset's different, you know?

645
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,680
It's not.
It's like they just called

646
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:27,160
older.
People are more open minded.

647
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:30,000
Yeah, I would.
Think there's like there's this,

648
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:34,600
I think it like alternates
generations, 'cause there is a

649
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,640
swath of older people I see on
these videos all the time who

650
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:38,880
are just.
Crazy.

651
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,920
Crazy lost their mind and then
there's some young people that

652
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:46,720
seem like they're fairly open
minded and can discuss stuff and

653
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,040
maybe, you know, if you are a
believer and you're listening,

654
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:56,840
raise a large healthy family.
Teach them God's ways at the

655
00:32:56,840 --> 00:33:02,440
door, on the road, in the
morning, at night meals, you

656
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:07,920
know, I mean that.
Evangelize through population

657
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:11,400
growth.
Honestly, it's like, yeah,

658
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,480
honestly, working really well
for them, I think.

659
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:15,360
Yeah, people looking for God's
will.

660
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:20,160
It's like as simple as that.
Start a family and I think most

661
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:23,120
things will fall into place, you
know, get married, have

662
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,320
children, you're going to have
responsibility and you

663
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,720
discipleship.
And it's like, wow, that's that

664
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:32,640
I think really organizes and
shapes what you probably should

665
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,880
do with your life for, for maybe
not for everyone, but for, for a

666
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,560
lot of people that it's like
people like don't want to get

667
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:40,160
married because they want to put
up, they don't want children

668
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,320
because they're inconvenient.
It's like, and you know, all

669
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,000
they are added responsibility,
added cost.

670
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,960
But it's like, man, that's good.
And that is part of what shapes

671
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:52,160
you and changes you and makes
you less selfish and rely on God

672
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,000
and all these good things where
again, this would be such a good

673
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:58,560
case study looking up feminism
from our guy where it's like, I

674
00:33:58,560 --> 00:33:59,920
don't think it's bad for women
to work.

675
00:33:59,920 --> 00:34:03,600
My wife works.
Your wife works, but your.

676
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:07,240
Wife was home for a while.
My wife was home for a long

677
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,360
while.
I think there's so much positive

678
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,400
in that and I and I think women
can work.

679
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,800
It's great, but it does get
topsy turvy when the whole

680
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:18,800
culture it's like not one offs.
It's like the whole shift is

681
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:23,719
like you're both spouses work so
they can send their kids to date

682
00:34:24,159 --> 00:34:26,800
so they can pay someone to like
clean their house and cook their

683
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:28,360
It's just like weird.
I mean it's not weird.

684
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,159
I know there's things that are
people need that sometimes, but

685
00:34:31,159 --> 00:34:35,560
it is like interesting all of
these like downstream effects

686
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:39,040
and how feminism, even certain
things aren't wrong, just I feel

687
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:42,120
like everything together just
does shape your society into

688
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:43,280
something a little bit
different.

689
00:34:43,679 --> 00:34:46,400
Yeah, and it's not exactly the
same because I think there's

690
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,440
there is merit in like working
out.

691
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,800
But I worked with a guy who was
like, I would never go to a gym,

692
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:55,639
but I split all my own wood.
I garden.

693
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:59,720
He's like, he's like.
I my, I'm in shape because I'm

694
00:34:59,720 --> 00:35:02,320
doing the work that our bodies
were meant to do.

695
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:04,760
I don't go lift weights, I don't
go run.

696
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:05,840
I don't do all those other
things.

697
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,680
I just work, you know.
Yeah, it, it is.

698
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:10,520
It is so interesting.
Yeah.

699
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,680
Going back to feminism, this is
a broader conversation than

700
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:17,440
that, but it's like Industrial
Revolution wasn't that long ago.

701
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:21,120
Where the man goes off to work
for 10 hours, doesn't see his

702
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:22,960
family all day.
That's like not how things

703
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,320
necessarily work.
Like it's even like that is

704
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:28,360
different than how it was.
Right, because your kids were

705
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:28,840
working.
With.

706
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,760
Revolution.
You had some type of family

707
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:32,760
business.
You.

708
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:34,720
Were working together as a
family.

709
00:35:34,720 --> 00:35:36,080
And there's some discipleship
in.

710
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,320
It's like you're the kids are
working at a young age.

711
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,640
You're teaching them, Yeah.
You teach them how to make

712
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,640
barrels, how to make shoes, how
to thatch a roof, how to, you

713
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:47,320
know, all those things.
We don't do that anymore.

714
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:49,840
And and so 'cause you think
like, oh, the man should do

715
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,480
this, but it's like, yeah, even
some of that is constructed in a

716
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:54,320
different way than what I was
not saying that's.

717
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,120
And women's are work.
Yeah.

718
00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:00,920
And if you're on the farm or if
you're work, Yeah, exactly.

719
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:04,640
It's like it's just a different.
It's more like cohesion for your

720
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,800
family where you have oversight
and discipleship and all these

721
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,000
good things that we.
And then you make decisions that

722
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,360
are right for your nuclear
family cause you know what's

723
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,160
right for one couple, how
they're going to divvy up the

724
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:19,160
labor isn't necessarily right
for another couple, but they're

725
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,760
all working together to
accomplish a common familial

726
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:23,840
goal.
Yeah, there's something, there's

727
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:27,960
something to that, that it's
like we've we've lost and it's

728
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:29,840
just part of it.
And it is, it is tough because

729
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:33,320
it is tough when dad's gone all
day and even a mom is staying

730
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:34,640
home.
It's like been with the kids.

731
00:36:34,720 --> 00:36:37,840
There's like, that's not perfect
either, you know, it's like,

732
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:39,680
yeah, there are.
Even if you own your own

733
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:43,240
business, though, like I think
of Jay Miller, yeah, the cabinet

734
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:47,800
company, he's still going off to
work at his own business.

735
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:49,240
It's hard to.
It's hard to have.

736
00:36:49,240 --> 00:36:51,920
That you have to really like.
Family business these days,

737
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:53,880
Yeah.
If you got one of those that's

738
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:55,840
working, let us know.
Yeah, we'll support you.

739
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:57,320
Maybe we'll we'll Yeah.
There you go.

740
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:01,120
You can tell us.
Tell us the the tricks, the

741
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:04,200
tricks of the trade.
Look at stuff.

742
00:37:04,720 --> 00:37:06,960
Anything else you got?
I seemed like there was

743
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,000
something silly I was going to
say that I held off, but I

744
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:10,640
forgot it.
So that's that's how good you

745
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:14,560
know by exercising self-control
If someone with the Moscow.

746
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:18,160
Nice.
Idaho family compound.

747
00:37:18,240 --> 00:37:20,520
Yeah, I need to look up more
into this because I don't know a

748
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:22,640
ton about Doug, but every now
and then he's on the news and

749
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:26,840
he's like saying and they have
like their, you know, they don't

750
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,640
totally like dominate that city,
but they've got, they're

751
00:37:29,720 --> 00:37:31,440
ingrained a lot.
And a lot of a lot of these

752
00:37:31,720 --> 00:37:35,800
theonymous movements, it's like
they'll try to get, you know, 20

753
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,760
families together and go live in
some rural town and you own all

754
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,040
the land and you start, you try
to start building up.

755
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:44,440
And it's like, I'll use you for
the your, it's like you try to

756
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,400
be synergistic in that way.
And it's like you can have your

757
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,520
community and your Community
Church is like a fixture in the

758
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:51,920
community because it's like a
small rural town.

759
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:55,600
You can have an impact that way
versus like a big city, you

760
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:58,480
know, where and you can like
maybe give to that community and

761
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:02,080
those kind of things.
And, you know, all this stuff.

762
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:04,640
So I think there's good things
in in that kind of not saying

763
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:07,640
that's like the only way to go,
but it's interesting, you know,

764
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:11,120
with some of this stuff making
its way and this reaction

765
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:12,400
against, you know, all these
things.

766
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:13,440
And they're in this small town
now.

767
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,760
They now they have 20 families
now, you know, pastor the church

768
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:19,080
or whoever's gonna run for
office because they got 20.

769
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,240
You know what it's like.
And you can kinda maybe change

770
00:38:21,240 --> 00:38:23,920
this county in Kentucky or
whatever it is, you know,

771
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:25,560
probably doesn't work
everywhere.

772
00:38:25,720 --> 00:38:28,160
Land's expensive, hard to like,
you know, uproot.

773
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:32,000
You can see you get the wrong
people in leadership.

774
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:33,760
Oh.
Boy, they can go South then it

775
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:35,480
is, yeah.
People see an opportunity to

776
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:37,440
like, oh, I can control these
people, yeah.

777
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,320
You're right back at the end of
Nehemiah.

778
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,560
And we're right back there.
Yeah, Yeah, very true.

779
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,000
I can't.
I guess I was thinking about it.

780
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,160
I was like, how why have I
always thought that post

781
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:51,560
millennials thought that we, I
guess they, they do think the

782
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,480
millennial reign is right now
Just like absolutely.

783
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:59,400
It's just like, 'cause I always
thought that, I thought that

784
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:04,000
they believe that things got so
great and then there was a

785
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:05,760
millennial reign.
But I guess that's not what

786
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,160
they're saying.
Yeah, post meals man.

787
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:12,800
Get it, get it, get it together
pre meal next time.

788
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:16,080
Pre meal dis be pre meal.
If if we're ready for it, we'll

789
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:17,560
be good to go.
We'll do one of the pre meals

790
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:21,080
next time.
Oh, I mean, it's that big of a

791
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:22,200
difference.
Oh.

792
00:39:22,240 --> 00:39:24,360
Huge difference, huge difference
way.

793
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:25,520
Different TuneIn to see what
the.

794
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:27,120
Difference is, yeah, there's a
teaser.

795
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,840
That's our take.
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796
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,080
Two.
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797
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798
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