Jude and 2 Peter: Contending for the Faith

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Man.
Patriots won again.

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They actually look pretty good.
I mean they played the Saints,

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but they look pretty good.
You know, trick me looks pretty

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good.
This is I am I am not an NFL

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experts.
It just seems to me that when

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quarterbacks have like 6 seconds
to throw, they do good.

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And it seems like when they have
no time to throw, they do bad.

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And it, I don't, I know
football's not that simple.

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I know you need more than that,
but I just like, it's like crazy

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to me.
Like, you know, you see like

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these good quarterbacks that
historically have been good, but

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then they only have two seconds
to throw and they're not good

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and then vice versa.
And then I don't know, it's,

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it's crazy.
I know it's more than that.

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I.
Think what you're saying is one

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of the primary, maybe one of the
most important places positions

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on the football team is the
offensive lineman.

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Dude, I'll tell you so I know
you're not a big Steelers fan

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here.
They have this guy named Darnell

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Washington.
He's amazing.

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I'm looking.
I want to look up his height and

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weight.
Oh, we got Campbell from LSU.

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He's a rookie and his numbers
are really good.

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Well.
As far as this, you might be

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thinking a different direction.
So Darnell Washington, tight end

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for the Steelers and he's well,
his weight's not right on this.

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I want to know his accurate
weight.

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He's like 6-7.
He's like over.

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He's like 300 and like 20 lbs.
And he'll like line up out wide.

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And when he lines up on like a
510 cornerback, it's great.

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He just is, like, he just looks
like a giant, but he's like.

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What's his height again?
6/7.

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OK.
His weight is listed wrongly.

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Now the commentators are
actually talking about epic

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game.
They're like there's no way he's

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270 or whatever he's listed at
because he's way bigger than

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this.
Like if you look at pictures of

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him and it's like he just is
like trucking over people and

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they're like the game plan is
like he's going to have a long

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career.
His goal is to like he'll he'll

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come and play offensive.
Like he'll like he he's like so

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dynamic between receiver and
like offensive line.

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It's like he's, it's pretty cool
to see him and he's just like

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he, he, he's not like, he's not
big like Gronk was.

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He's like, he's just like, just
big.

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Yeah, yeah.
Like Gronk, I think I would say

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is like looks more like an
athlete.

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So he was 6-8.
Gronk was 6/8.

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So like Darnell, I'm I'm just if
I can find a good picture of

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him, he just like not as maybe
in shape as maybe.

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OK.
So it wasn't trimmed.

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But he's like big.
Yeah, yeah, he's like big.

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Looking, but he's still a
receiver.

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But he's mostly, I mean tight
end, but he he lines up out like

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they they use them as like.
Cause Will Campbell is 66320.

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He's the he's a tackle, he's a
left tackle for.

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But basically they're, they were
saying like they they used

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Arnell Washington, like they'll
play him a tight end, they'll

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put a more at tack, like they'll
he he can shift around and be

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using a lot of different.
Gronk could block too.

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That was one of the things like
Gronk could help the run game

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and and that's what made his
passing game, receiving game so

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much better because he would
line up and he would block and

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he'd have those play actions and
then he'd be right behind, you

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know, those linebackers and
catching passes, so.

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Dude, he is going to.
Every time I hear talk, I'm

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like, man, that CTE is real.
That's like the best.

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At least he's got like the happy
CTE.

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He's not gonna, like, murder
anyone yet like all the other

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people, all the other Titans on
the Patriots do, Hernandez.

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Yeah, Hernandez.
Yeah.

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But it's like, at least he's a
happy CTE person.

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But man, you can tell.
I don't know if he was.

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I mean I'm sure he was always
like that to some extent, but

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dude, he just seems like he is.
He's a little bit, he's a little

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bit not there.
Yeah, I feel feel bad for him,

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yeah.
But what I think sometimes the

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his nerves 'cause when he's
relaxed and talking on a

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podcast, it's not as bad.
It's not as bad.

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'Cause he and Edelman will talk
some.

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And then of course, I wanted to
be able to, I posted the

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Patriots logo on Facebook again
because we want, I wanted to be

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able to post the Lions logo, but
unfortunately, the Chiefs won.

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Oh man.
But disdain?

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Well, Lions had opportunities
and they had a lot of missed

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opportunities in the first half.
Second-half got away from them

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and I will say the Chiefs had 0
penalties.

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You know the Chiefs are one of
these teams that you know who's

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the receivers for the Chiefs?
They had so many penalties the

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last game and all of them were
accurate like you could not say

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any of them were and people were
complaining and they go from

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being one of the most penalized
to now 0 penalties if I if I

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read the stats right.
Check me on that.

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I, I, I, I, I think you're right
about that.

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All I know is like the Chiefs
receivers are like, are you

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familiar with the Juju Smith
user?

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But like, they're they're people
that were cut from the Patriots.

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Like they have no one to throw
the ball to.

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It's like pretty incredible to
have like such a poor receiving

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class.
And it does seem like, again,

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like Mahomes is like always just
running for his life.

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It was and I give it to Mahomes.
I I, you know, I have a little

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bit of a chip on my shoulder.
I realize because of the

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comparisons when Mahomes had
done nothing to the goat of all

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time.
I'm like, all right, so now

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we're seeing it's not as easy.
And I will tell you, maybe

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before I became a huge Patriots
fan, Patriots got all the calls.

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But towards the end we were
getting the anti calls, No?

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No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
This is objectively not true.

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I will say this though.
Think of the Chiefs, Mahomes,

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great quarterback talent, Travis
Kelsey.

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How would you rank him compared
to like Gronk?

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Not as good as Gronk.
Exactly so Mahomes worst weapon

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at tight end really overall.
I mean Tiger killed great

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receiver when he was on the
team.

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Like great receiver I.
Don't take anything away from

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Kelsey.
He is a weapon that can be used

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over and over again.
He has.

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More assets than Mahomes, like
you were saying, like you know,

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I I agree with you.
I I'm in total agreements where

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from a team aspect, especially
now it's like the chiefs.

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It just like it does it does
look.

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I'm not saying Mahomes has
always looked great, but it's

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like he's scrambling.
A lot.

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Scrambling a lot, which is
crazy, I know.

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And he took like, he's going to
have CTE.

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He took, there's one play he
took three different hits on

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because he didn't slide.
And I was like, I appreciate the

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heart.
But there's something to that

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though that one.
And it's going to be hard.

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It.
Wasn't worth those three hits.

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Because even like the Steelers
are not good, they keep winning,

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which is great, but it's like
Rogers he their lines.

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I wouldn't say not great.
He only has like 3 or 4 seconds

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and it just like sometimes make
a good throw, but he's like not

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straight, he's just funny.
He just throws it away like he's

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not even going to take that
chance.

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He's like Nope.
You'll see him in a play.

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Like if they do any kind of like
pitch or whatever, any kind of

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hand off, like as soon as he
hands off, he's like out of the

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play.
He's like not going to block

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because he's like, I'm not
getting hurt.

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You know what I mean?
He knows like he's got to like,

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take it kind of easy.
Here's the humorous thing.

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This is our 4th 1 to record
tonight.

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Is that right?
Third one, Yeah.

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Yeah.
So this we're talking about, we

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should have done this banter
first because it'll be like

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there hopefully way after the
the Lions played the Chiefs.

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But you know, you'll you'll
listen to it.

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You're like, Oh yeah, I remember
that Kelsey caught a ball.

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Did you see the?
Replay dude I I honestly didn't

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even watch did.
You see the replay?

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No.
Oh, it wasn't there a catch?

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I mean, it makes contact with
the ground.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You know, And it's like one of

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those classic things that in the
80s would have been a call to

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catch, but when they redid.
The rules and it has to.

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Survive contact with the ground
and it doesn't like you can't

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use the ground.
You can't lay on the ground and

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use it to help you catch it.
And some people would say, well,

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he demonstrated control of ball
like his hands slip off of it.

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He hadn't made a football move
to get And it's like you call

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that a catch.
And that's why people start and

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and the announcers were like,
oh, we don't think it is.

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And then Terry McCauley comes on
the rules expert and you know,

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they're just going to say stuff
to make it not be controversial.

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Oh, yeah, that was definitely a
catch.

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And you're and everyone, even
Chiefs fan I saw commenting or

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like, yeah, that was not good.
Yeah, Speaking of like

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favoritism on like, I don't know
if this is just happenstance on

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multiple of the Steelers game.
The commentators, one of them is

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JJ Watt and Steelers.
TJ Watt plays for the Steelers

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like their best player.
And so it's always funny like,

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like.
Maybe their best overall player.

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I well and honestly, he's not
even having a great season, but

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he's affecting a lot of the
plays, but they always like

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double team them and stuff.
But it's like it's funny 'cause

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he's always like trying like TJ
makes a good play.

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He's like trying to like walk
the line between like am I

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showing favoritism to my brother
or not?

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And he usually like goes the
other way and is like, you know,

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is really underkill.
But I was like, that seems weird

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to like put brother, I mean.
Tough to commentate.

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On that in that position.
Now I started talking about the

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Pats.
I don't even know what were you?

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You had something else?
It No, it's great.

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I love it because, you know,
Pittsburgh beat the Pats.

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They did beat the Pats, but we
were growing like it's, you

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know, you can have a static team
or you can have a team that's

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like, you know, they kind of
start at the top and then they,

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I think you can tell there's
like momentum growing.

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The team is starting to believe
in variable The you know the we

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have a second year quarterback,
some rookie O lineman.

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Oh yeah, and you guys have good
receiving, Stefan Diggs and

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stuff like that.
That's pretty nice.

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I think, you know, there is this
I coached with the guy, Matt

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Puckett, and it's like certain
people have this charisma where

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you can just get the like, you
can you understand where the

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player's mind is and you can
talk their language and you you

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get them do anything.
And and that guy was like that

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he could talk to our team and
just, you know, get them to go

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do, you know, do whatever.
I think Vrabel has that and.

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Yeah, he kind of resonates.
Well, there you go.

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I was talking about, you know,
David going against Goliath and.

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Well, unfortunately, I don't
think the Pittsburgh Steelers

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actually good this year.
I think it's going to catch up

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with him, but they're in such a
terrible division.

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It's great because Baltimore's
in the revision and Baltimore

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and Noblemar Jackson, they're
just so.

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But as you know, football fits
in nicely.

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When I think football, I think a
Jude in second Peter.

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Don't shoot.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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You know, weird things happen in
football sometimes.

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Weird things happen in those.
Weird things happen in those

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books, you know, so maybe it's
something you haven't thought

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about a lot.
Jude in second, Peter, not you,

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but like the listener.
Yeah, and if you haven't, pause

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right now.
Go read.

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Them it won't take you long.
You can do it quickly and then

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come back, yeah.
Well, I hope you're excited,

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Jude.
And second, Peter, let's take it

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to the next level from the
hearts of the low country in

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South Carolina.
It's the Take Two podcast where

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we take theology to the next
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Jude and second Peter on on a
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I don't know if it's coming out
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You mentioned you've memorized
the book of Jude.

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I have memorized the book of
Jude, Yeah.

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All right, let's brush up.
Go.

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I'm just, I'm just kidding.
It was me, Jonathan White.

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Nice.
Nathan Light.

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Hannah Gloebker.
Maybe it was just those three

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and me.
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Maybe Daniel and Elizabeth
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But that.
But this this were early days,

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back when Michael was a youth.
Yeah, I love it.

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I mean memorize Jude if nothing
else for the doxology baby.

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Oh man, it is a very good
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That's pretty great.
And a lot of people look, so I'm

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excited to get into second Peter
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Maybe the listeners like, why
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books together?
That there's a lot of parallels,

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and some of the parallels are
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It's almost like the same thing
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Yes, yeah, that's actually why
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Sunday School.
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reminds me a lot of, you know,
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parallels.
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think came first?
And can we use this to help us?

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Who knows?
Yeah, so, so so yeah, I think

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Jude came first.
Oh bingo.

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So the shorter one came first.
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So in both instances, Peter took
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is what I think we're saying.
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Well, let's, let's talk about
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Peter and Jude, let's talk the
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in the back of the Bible.
You're flipping around and

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you're like, what's going on?
If you're looking at Hebrews

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through Revelation, this final
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and, and we can kind of reflect
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different Christian communities
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They were facing different
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practical book, very Jewish
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You know, it really parallels a
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about talking some of these
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Probably one of our earlier
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Probably.
James Galatians, Matthew.

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Some of our first 3.
I I think you're spot on.

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James.
Think Matthew.

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What do you say?
That's it.

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earliest ones too, you know,
shows Mark.

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dead that that kind of goes in
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fulfillment of the old coming
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know, Hebrew audience first
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people, royal priesthood, holy
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They they are aliens elect
exiles and they are going to

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suffer.
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all, all spread out.
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which we'll talk to more a lot
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a big part of this contending
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some false teachers that maybe
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on.
First, second, third.

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John, if you hear anything about
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or at least a proto Gnosticism.
Maybe it's not full blown

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Gnosticism.
We start seeing some of these

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teachings in there and then
Revelation, endurance amid

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persecution.
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through these different books,
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kind of stand out and bridge the
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and first Peter and first,
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They have a lot of Jewish
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They confront some early heresy
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be pure and how to live.
And so that's a little

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preliminary background.
Anything you want to add before

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we get into these books a little
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Yeah, I was just looking through
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where some of these themes are
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But don't first Peter and Second
Peter both deal with persecution

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a little bit?
I I'm pretty sure second Peter

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is where he says don't be amazed
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find yourselves in.
I think you are exactly, exactly

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right.
And then first Peter opens up

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with this idea of of, you know,
going through tough times and

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being shaped like precious
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And and then he goes into that,
you know, living stones in

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chapter 2.
I believe that that is the case

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in the is that is that is that
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Yeah.
Precious jewels in the site

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you're being built up spiritual
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So this I I think both of them
kind of instead of trying to

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read through all the first Peter
right here, but it does.

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Am I am I crazy or or no?
You know, I, I, I, I think you

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are probably right.
And and when you when we're in

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second Peter and some of the
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some of the things where I where
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abundantly clear.
And I think we see the same

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thing in in second Peter 2 or as
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So Jude, who wrote, Who wrote
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Well, it was a bondservant of
Christ is how he would identify

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himself, right?
Jude, a bondservant of Jesus

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Christ and the brother of James.
And brother of James, I like, I

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like that he goes servant of
Christ, brother of James instead

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of brother of Christ, brother of
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Isn't that interesting?
Doesn't that tell you something?

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I, I think that's a good kind of
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importance of, of being a
servant of Christ.

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And there's an apologetic here.
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Yeah.
Because Jude, Paul, maybe others

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were people who did not believe
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Oh yeah.
And then later did believe in

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Jesus based on, you know, the
his resurrection, Paul having a

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personal revelation of Jesus.
Jude, you know, I'm assuming

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somehow, yeah, encountered A
risen Christ afterwards and he

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was a changed person because
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like, hey, go up to Jerusalem,
you know, where they want to

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kill you.
Jesus wants you.

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Go up there.
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him.
And then now he's writing a

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book, you know, saying that he
is a bondservant.

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Yeah, that that's a pretty big
180, You know, thinking more

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along the James line, like,
yeah, you're saying like in the

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Gospels we read his brothers
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Yeah, James will be another.
One and then and then

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specifically in First
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James by name.
And I've often like why?

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But maybe that's like because
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It's like specifically appeared
to James.

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I would like you're saying,
probably think something similar

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on Jude, which is yeah, that
that that tells you something

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like that tells you a lot.
Yeah, it'd be nice to sit down

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and talk with Jude.
It would be like, hey, what was

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it like growing up with an older
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Man.
Who was Jesus?

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I know Can you imagine like
being like mom Jesus, it'd be

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like Jesus is right like I I it
it for the last 100 times

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you're.
Wrong.

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If you're not worshipping your
brother, you're wrong.

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Yeah, yeah, it's.
Like, oh.

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My goodness.
Who's your favorite mom?

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Yeah, Yeah.
So if we're if we're thinking

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Jude, just broad strokes here,
audience talking to believers

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that had been infiltrated by
false teachers, his tone is

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pretty urgent, pretty direct.
When I think of James, I think

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of that phrase.
Contend for the faith.

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Contend earnestly for the faith.
Even earnestly so.

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I think I think of Paul, it's
like, oh, maybe all things, all

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people.
I think of Jude contending.

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And it's like a good, you know,
you can balance, you know, you

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can read the room.
Second Peter.

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We know a lot Peter.
There's, you know, most people.

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If you didn't know who Jude was,
you know who Peter was.

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You know, we know it's probably
at the end of his life for

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Second Peter.
And his tone is maybe a little

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more pastoral, a little more
reflective.

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It's it's got warning in there
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but it's also got some really
good encouragement to believers.

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But you can see they're both
talking a lot about some of the

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same same beats here.
And it'll become abundantly

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clear as we go through the
outline.

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Words like oh these are more
similar than maybe I thought at

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first.
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And I like what you have here,
conservative view.

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Both of these are authentic.
And we would say the Synoptic

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Gospels are authentic, but that
doesn't mean you couldn't, you

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know, use one of them as a
source.

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And then, you know, and
obviously it seems like Peter

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may have, you know, added a
little bit here and there to it.

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Yeah.
Yeah, there you go in.

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Both cases I.
Was going to say something.

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Oh, yeah.
So we're in impact.

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We're going through James.
And it was like, well, some

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people think James was written
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And it's like, if you think that
you don't think like James wrote

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it, you think, you know, that
that's like the liberal view

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where it's like, it's titled
James, but James wasn't the

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author, you know?
Yeah, it seems so much harder to

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believe that than than what we
believe happened like that.

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That view seems like it's so
preposterous to me.

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It, it, I, I'm right there with
you where it's like, where else

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are we?
Like, you know, because.

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There's got to be so many other
things, like there's got to be a

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guy who writes it who who's
going to match the Jewish tone.

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He's not going to mention the
destruction of the temple.

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And it's going to, it's got to
fit so many things.

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And then we're going to attach
James to it.

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And then we're not yeah, we're
just going to write.

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Yeah, it's, it's insane.
Well, let's go through probably

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spend most of this podcast like
looking through these parallels

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because not only are there
parallels, but they even happen

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like in the same order.
It's like so crazy, nearly

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identical language at points.
And likely they're they're

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addressing some of the same kind
of false teacher.

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So I don't know if you have
Jude, I'll look at second Peter

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and maybe we can like you read
this Jude version.

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I'll read the second version
version, so let's look at verse

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4.
For certain persons have crept

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in unnoticed, those who were
long beforehand marked out for

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this condemnation, ungodly
persons to turn the grace of our

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God into licentiousness, and
deny our only Master and Lord

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Jesus Christ.
Should we read out the same

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version to make it even?
Oh, we probably should snappier.

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We we, we, we we could do that.
Yeah, I'll, I'll, I'll you will

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condescend to the you.
Wow.

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That's that's the Philippians
2IN action.

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There you go, the second Peter
equivalent.

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He's just been talking about
false teacher.

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Second Peter 21 says, but false
prophets also arose from among

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the people, just as there will
be false teachers among you who

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will secretly bring in
destructive heresies, even

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denying the master who bought
them, bringing upon themselves

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swift destruction.
And and so if you caught this,

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they both talked about, you
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Like it's it's not just saying
false teachers are coming, but

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it's very oddly specific
language where if you said deny

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the master, you know what that
means?

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But that might be like a weird,
not a weird way to say, but for

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two people to say that the same
thing and not just say denying

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our Lord or denying our Savior,
but denying our master, We see

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some of that similarity right
right there.

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Sounds good.
I was taking time on my Bible

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that they changed how you get to
the versions.

448
00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,000
So I was like.
It just it, it does oddly take

449
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:57,480
you a long time to find stuff
electronically than like having

450
00:22:57,480 --> 00:22:59,160
a Bible.
It takes you so much longer.

451
00:23:00,120 --> 00:23:06,760
Let's look at Jude 6, OK?
And this is in the ESV, so just,

452
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:09,120
you know, and.
And this is about angels.

453
00:23:09,120 --> 00:23:12,160
Just a mistake.
And the angels who did not stay

454
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:15,280
within their own position of
authority, but left their proper

455
00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:18,840
dwelling, he has kept in eternal
chains under gloomy darkness

456
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:20,720
until the judgment of the great
day.

457
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:24,560
All right, second Peter 244 If
God did not spare angels when

458
00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:27,720
they sinned, but cast them into
hell and committed them to

459
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:33,120
chains of gloomy darkness to be
kept until the judgement again,

460
00:23:33,120 --> 00:23:36,800
gloom, gloomy, a weird word,
like, like, like, like, it's

461
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:40,080
just weird to be using the same
exact judgement gloomy.

462
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:43,120
Anyway, we're going to keep
going.

463
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:45,920
Verse 7.
Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and

464
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:49,080
the surrounding cities, which
likewise indulged in sexual

465
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:52,920
immorality and pursued unnatural
desires, served as an example by

466
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,480
undergoing a punishment of
eternal fire.

467
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:59,040
Second, Peter 26 if by turning
the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah

468
00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:02,240
to ashes, he condemned them to
extinction and making them an

469
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:06,280
example of what is going to
happen to the ungodly,

470
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,240
specifically saying this is an
example in both of these

471
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:13,400
letters, go ahead and read
verses 8:00 and 9:00.

472
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:17,880
Yet in like manner, these people
also relying on their dreams,

473
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:21,000
the file, the flesh, reject
authority and blasphemy the

474
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:24,240
glorious ones.
But when the Archangel Michael,

475
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,920
contending with the devil, was
disputing about the body of

476
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:30,280
Moses, he did not presume to
pronounce a blasphemous

477
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:32,960
judgement, but said the Lord
rebuke you all.

478
00:24:33,360 --> 00:24:36,280
Right second, Peter 210 through
11, and especially those who

479
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:39,440
indulge in the lust of the
defiling passions and despise

480
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,120
authority, bold and willful,
they do not tremble as they

481
00:24:42,120 --> 00:24:45,480
blasphemy the glorious ones.
Whereas angels, though greater

482
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:47,600
in might and power, do not
pronounce a blasphemous

483
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,320
judgement against them before
the Lord.

484
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:53,360
It kind of talks about this
blaspheming the the glorious

485
00:24:53,360 --> 00:24:56,800
ones, and we can talk about this
at the end, but also some weird

486
00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,720
stuff about, you know,
Archangel, like like you might

487
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:01,600
be reading Jim be like what's
going on here?

488
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:03,000
It's kind of.
Crazy from Enoch.

489
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:05,640
I think so.
I think so.

490
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:09,000
Or at least allusions to them.
At the very least, illusions

491
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,800
because clay would be able to
set it straight if they were

492
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:17,160
quotes of the arc quotes.
I think it's like, you know,

493
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:22,520
probably the most like naturally
woven in, like, you know, just

494
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:26,520
kind of like almost not with
everything else where it's not,

495
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,080
you know, it doesn't stand out
as something else.

496
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:33,520
Go ahead and read verse 10.
But these people blasphemy all

497
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:37,320
that they do not understand, and
they destroy by all that they

498
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,200
like.
Unreason Unreasoning animals

499
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:44,760
understand instinctively.
But these second Peter 212 like

500
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,760
irrational animals, creatures of
instinct, born to be cut and

501
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,040
destroyed, blaspheming about
matters of which they are

502
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:53,480
ignorant, will also be destroyed
in their destruction, you know,

503
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,520
being compared to irrational
animals.

504
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:58,640
And then the last one, verses 11
through 13.

505
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:02,200
Woe to them, for they walked in
the way of Cain and abandoned

506
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:06,600
themselves for the sake of gain
to Balaam's error, and perished

507
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:10,120
in Cora's rebellion.
These are hidden reefs at your

508
00:26:10,120 --> 00:26:12,120
love.
Feast as they feast with you

509
00:26:12,120 --> 00:26:15,040
without fear.
Shepherds feeding themselves.

510
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,840
Waterless clouds swept along by
the winds.

511
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:22,920
Fruitless trees and late autumns
twice dead, uprooted wild ways

512
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,560
of the sea casting up foam of
their own shame.

513
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:28,840
Wandering stars for whom the
gloom of utter darkness has been

514
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:32,480
reserved forever.
Chapter 2, Verse 13 through 17

515
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,240
suffering wrong as the wait for
their wrongdoing.

516
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,200
They count it pleasure to revel
in the daytime.

517
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,320
They are blacks and blemishes,
reveling in their deceptions

518
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,000
while they feast with you.
They have eyes full of adultery,

519
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,240
insatiable for sin.
They entice unsteady souls.

520
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,120
They have hearts trained and
greed accursed children

521
00:26:48,120 --> 00:26:49,960
forsaking the right way.
They have gone astray.

522
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:53,400
They have followed the way of
Balaam, son of Ehor, who loved

523
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,560
gain from wrongdoing but was
rebuked for his own

524
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:57,480
transgression.
A speechless donkey spoke with

525
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,160
human voice and restrained the
prophet's madness.

526
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:04,000
These are waterless springs and
mists driven by a storm.

527
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,880
For them the gloom of utter
darkness has been reserved.

528
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:11,440
So again you see gloom, you see
waterless springs or waterless

529
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:17,360
clouds and you see Balaam.
And it's like really, that's in

530
00:27:17,360 --> 00:27:21,040
Jude 4 verse 13.
In second Peter 2, it's one

531
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:24,560
through 17.
So it's like small section, all

532
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,200
hit the same order, all use
similar language.

533
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,320
You can't.
It doesn't take a, you know,

534
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,320
super biblical scholar to be
like these are kind of similar.

535
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:35,240
Right, right, right.
And so the natural thing is

536
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:36,240
what's going on here.
What?

537
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,480
What's going on?
It can't just be coincidence

538
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,640
that that that's not not
happening.

539
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:46,440
So let's let's talk about this.
Which one wrote first?

540
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:50,200
I asked for some of these as
ChatGPT for the conservative

541
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:51,800
majority, and this is what they
said.

542
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,200
They said Peter wrote first.
I don't think I've heard that.

543
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:58,440
And I looked up in like a couple
commentaries I have by people I

544
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,920
would say are very conservative.
And they were like, we think

545
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:02,760
Jude wrote first.
So I don't know.

546
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:04,560
I don't know if chat just got
the wrong answer or they just

547
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,160
picked a source online that
wasn't right or maybe it's a

548
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:08,600
split decision.
I don't know.

549
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,320
But but it would.
I have tended to lean Jude

550
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:16,520
because it makes more sense that
Peter, in writing that longer

551
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,320
thing, would have looked at Jude
and incorporated some of that

552
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,000
into what he was saying, because
Peter was known for doing that.

553
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:22,720
Because Peter.
Peter.

554
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:27,280
Peter out of history yet to me
it's like you take something

555
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,360
small and you maybe incorporate
it and expand on it.

556
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:32,920
It's great.
And even in that little section,

557
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:35,440
Peter's is a little bit
expanded.

558
00:28:36,120 --> 00:28:38,520
I can, I can see a case for like
you're making the Cliff notes of

559
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,000
something.
I get that that could happen,

560
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,480
but you know which one depended
on the other one.

561
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,120
At the end of the day, both, you
know, depend on the, you know,

562
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:48,680
Holy Spirit when you get down to
it.

563
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:49,320
Right.
Yeah.

564
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:53,520
If if we believe that these are
Scripture, then God

565
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,640
superintended the writing of
both and the different phrasing

566
00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:00,360
of both, and the fact that maybe
He wanted us to have this double

567
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,760
warning because we needed it
twice, you know?

568
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,480
Yeah, Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, probably could.

569
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:09,400
Could this false teachers good
thing to think about?

570
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,760
Jude's tone, I think is a little
bit more in your face, a little

571
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,640
bit more fiery, a little bit
more like, got that, got that

572
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:18,320
punch.
And, you know, what do we do?

573
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:19,480
This might be a good
conversation.

574
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:23,960
Like, yeah, if first Enoch is in
there, does that mean like I

575
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,920
should like, you know, treat
Enoch a scripture?

576
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,240
After all, it was in the
Ethiopian Bible and it's in the

577
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:32,240
oldest canons and they've taken
it out of our scriptures and all

578
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:38,040
these things, you know.
Well, Paul quotes a Greek poet

579
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:42,400
in when He's on the Mars hill.
That's good.

580
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:43,800
And that.
Doesn't necessarily mean that

581
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,000
that is scripture.
So you wouldn't be able to say

582
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:50,560
just because it's quoted here in
Scripture means that it itself

583
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:55,560
is scripture.
So you could go a writer of the

584
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:59,520
Bible could quote something that
is not Scripture and then

585
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:03,480
therefore the what he quotes
becomes part of Scripture.

586
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,200
No, I'm saying that, but it
doesn't necessarily mean that

587
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,600
the original was scripture.
Yeah, the pushback that I have

588
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:14,480
heard from people who are like
Major Enoch people, they'll be

589
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:21,320
like, well, Paul says one of I
saw this on a he like introduces

590
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:22,400
it as a quote.
What?

591
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:26,160
Rather than like, I'm just
weaving it into, you know what I

592
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:28,280
mean?
That's the, I'm sure there are

593
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:30,960
other places where we can see
people just weaving stuff in,

594
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:32,600
but that's what they would say
about that.

595
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,000
They're like, well, Paul, like
introduces it as.

596
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,320
Even one of your own poets says
this.

597
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,760
Right.
Versus just saying, Peter just

598
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:45,040
rolling right into it like this
is this is good to go.

599
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,760
Yeah, I can see that.
I'm just saying that the base

600
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,240
argument of it's quoted is not
enough.

601
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,120
You'd have to.
You'd have to make other.

602
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:53,920
Art because there's a ton of
you're right, there's some

603
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:57,440
things quoted.
I think what's interesting

604
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:01,920
where, you know, maybe second
Peter, there's less of 'cause I

605
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:03,920
think that one might Clay would
know.

606
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,760
I hate talking when, I don't
know, maybe that one section is

607
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:08,760
like a direct quote.
Then a lot of these other things

608
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:12,280
are just like not really quote.
Maybe summaries are, you know,

609
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:15,560
drawing from some of, you know,
illusions, more illusions.

610
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:19,560
Yeah, I guess some of it depends
on, on that.

611
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:21,640
It's probably good to keep in
mind too.

612
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:23,120
Second Peter.
He's writing about these false

613
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,000
teachers.
This is obviously the last, you

614
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:30,800
know, letter that Peter writes.
He even says if I can pull it up

615
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:35,080
in chapter 1, he'll say things
like I'm writing this to stir

616
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,840
you up by way of reminder, since
I know that the putting off my

617
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:41,520
body will be soon as the Lord
Jesus Christ made clear to me.

618
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:46,240
And so he's making every effort
to remind, you know, his readers

619
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:48,120
of this.
You know, there's been a lot of

620
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,920
people talk about, you know,
stoicism, epicureanism.

621
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:56,680
They got to like bring that kind
of stuff into it to me more than

622
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:00,840
obviously very practical, very
true, but but so, so

623
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,080
interesting.
And I think in today's climate

624
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,720
in particular, it's it's like
these books in the back.

625
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,720
It's like everyone wants to like
talk about John.

626
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:10,840
I don't know.
It's like people they don't you

627
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,440
don't hear Jude and second Peter
being quoted the whole time in

628
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,920
today's like climate, you know
what I mean when it comes to

629
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:20,120
Christianity, evangelicals or
like, you know, maybe false

630
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,280
teacher land like they're not
have you.

631
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,640
I don't know when the last time
Joel Osteen just went through

632
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:25,200
Jude.
I don't.

633
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,200
Know well, he's probably not now
I have heard Jude brought up

634
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:33,800
because it is one of the you
know, I'm in in that apologetic

635
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,000
world where people are arguing
stuff.

636
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,680
And so, you know, homosexuality
is often argued and they try to

637
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:46,480
say things in that, you know,
they try to discount things, but

638
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,520
it's hard to get around.
You know, Jude is talking about

639
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,680
Sodom and Gomorrah going after
strange flesh and sexual

640
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:55,480
immoralities.
And so it's like, well, it says

641
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:58,320
the angels went after strange
flesh in the same way that Sodom

642
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,840
and Gomorrah had these sexual
immoralities.

643
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,200
So I hear it in that context
sometimes because people will

644
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:11,160
say that we're just, you know,
some Mosaic law stuff and and

645
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,160
you're just picking and choosing
and like, no, it is in the New

646
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:17,360
Testament and it's quoted here
and there's several different

647
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:20,240
angles that you can take.
You know, Jesus and Matthew 19,

648
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:28,640
Paul in Romans one, Paul in
First Corinthians 6, Paul in I

649
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:32,640
think Timothy someplace and then
here, you know, there's lots of

650
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:34,800
places where you know, it's
mentioned.

651
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,480
So I do hear Jude sometimes in
that that regard.

652
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:39,040
Well, that's good.
That's good.

653
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:45,560
You know, I was thinking more of
like I don't hear my I I should.

654
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:47,080
I don't listen to how to Kev
Copeland.

655
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,400
So maybe he's like in Jude, I
don't know, Maybe this is like

656
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,120
his favorite book and he's like
the other false.

657
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:53,120
I'm not a false teacher.
The other people.

658
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,720
But but I haven't heard anyone
like when when I said, hey, the

659
00:33:57,720 --> 00:33:59,560
youth group's gonna study Jude
and we're gonna memorize Jude.

660
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:03,040
They're all like, oh, Jude, OK.
Yeah, it's kind of like thrown

661
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,400
to the.
Side like it's a it's a book,

662
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:06,160
right?
We can.

663
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,760
Yeah, it's funny.
It kind of gets like, I maybe

664
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:10,120
some people are like, God, it's
got some weird.

665
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,560
It's like hard to explain or, I
don't know, you got to bring

666
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:15,280
Enoch into it.
I don't know.

667
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:17,120
I think it was pretty
straightforward.

668
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,120
I love the imagery that Jude
uses that we read through the

669
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,400
waves that, you know, toss up
foam, the shepherds that feed

670
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themselves, the trees that don't
have fruit.

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They're doubly dead, uprooted
The, the, the, the clouds that

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don't have any rain.
And then all of those, they have

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the promise, the outward promise
of doing good for you, but in

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the end they harm you.
And he's like, that's what false

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teachers are like.
Yeah, I I think it's good.

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It's like beware of false
teachers.

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They can't kind of can sneak in
and look appealing.

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00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:56,280
It's not like always like, you
know, maybe suit you have to be

679
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vigilant is what I'm saying, or
like really test and vet these

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things because they can, you
know, quote, UN quote, secretly

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00:35:01,240 --> 00:35:04,080
bring in destructive ideas and
then once they come to fruition,

682
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:05,480
it's but those are good
pictures.

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If you had a fruit tree or an
or, what's?

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Healthy, yeah.
That you were depending on food

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for and it didn't give you food.
Not only do you not have that

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food, but maybe you didn't save
like.

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And so it's like that's a double
jeopardy because not only is it

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not supplying it, but it may
have caused you to make

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00:35:26,240 --> 00:35:28,560
decisions that were wrong.
That's a false teacher.

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00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:30,320
That no, that that is really
good.

691
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:35,000
I think as we get into our time
this morning, we should, we

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should read that doxology, you
know, close with the Jew

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doxology.
That's good.

694
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,160
I like to close.
I like mentioning this lots of

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00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:46,280
times when I'm talking about the
double, double imputation.

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00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:50,360
We'll talk about that sometimes
in worship and the fact that we

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get His righteousness, He gets
our sinfulness, and because of

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that, you can write this now to
Him who is able to keep you from

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stumbling and to make you stand
in the presence of His glory,

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00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:10,880
blameless, with great joy to the
only God our Savior, through

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Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory,
majesty, dominion, and authority

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before all time and now and
forever, Amen.

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I love it.
That's our take.

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