Narrative Juxtaposition: How the Bible Speaks Through Story Placement | Part 2

0:00 All right, let's say it. Let's pick a word on the count of 3123 juxtaposition. Oh, what'd you say? Gobstones. I don't know. I I just wanted to say a really random word, 'cause we're in our juxtaposition series Episode 2. I I don't know if you're like me starting a new series just like it's the best. I I like fade as a series is going, but like the first one or two, I'm like so pumped for like framing the discussion big picture. It's like, wow, I get excited and then. You're ready to stop with Joshua? Yeah, after they conquered the land, Right. Like we don't need the last three episodes or whatever it was.

0:41 Yeah. The the new series is good. Last week we talked about Matthew, this Jewish gospel, and how the Gentile inclusions just really stand out. We're staying with the Synoptics, and I hope you're hungry, Michael. 'Cause I am. We're talking Mark sandwiches sounds. Good. How interruptions interpret. We'll we'll define some of these things, but big picture, Mark keeps interrupting himself. We're going to tell you why. I I've got a very good idea. Michael's very exciting. He was like, Oh yeah, this. Is this is great? So we'll we'll look at Mark and and some of these different examples of a story starting and then getting interrupted and then finished. And if it's this idea of juxtaposition, like why is this happening?

1:30 Is this on accident and Mark loses train of thought? Are we just writing things like randomly? Holy Spirit interruptions. There we go, Holy Spirit Interruptions. Let's talk. Mark sandwiches. Let's take it to the next level. Let's fire up that twanga music. From the hearts of the Low Country in South Carolina. It's the Take Two podcast where we take theology to the next level. We see Mark interrupting him. So I don't know if you've like read through Mark. Obviously you've got good reason for thinking this, but it's like, why did he stop this story? And then, and most noticeably, I think sometimes this happens like in the Holy Week leading up to Easter, we see like the fig tree and it's like he starts a story, but he finishes it later. Why not just like, say the whole story all together? Maybe there's trying to he's trying to make a point. Maybe he's trying to make a point. Yeah.

2:29 And maybe, like if you're reading someone else's story, yeah, you're like, oh, there's a bigger point here. And you would interrupt that story? Yes. Get that bigger point, yeah, and then go back to reading the rest of the story. Yeah, it might help you understand it better 'cause you could just read through it and you might say, man, this feels rushed, feels chaotic. It feels like where's the editor on this thing? But check this out. What if the interruption is the interpretation? Like what if that helps you understand the story more. What what we're kind of putting forth in this episode is that Mark preaches theology by inserting stories inside of other stories that the middle helps gives clarity, helps give clarity to the outside stories. So it's kind.

3:18 It's not exactly a chiasm, but it's kind of chiastic. And yeah. Kind of, yeah, 'cause you got like the beginning and and the middle and just like, you know, just like we're all thinking it's an intercalation. Oh yeah, that's I was when you were explaining this, I was like, man, he's talking about intercalations again. And if that's if, if intercalation's not resonating with you, just think a markin sandwich, which I like it. I like that it's markin like markin priority or you know what I mean? I like that markin. Yeah, we need something that 'cause we know markin priority got to kick that to the curb, but you don't want to get rid of the word markin. So markin sandwiches. Nail it when you say chiasm, because the structure is like that ABA structure where the story begins, story resumes, that that middle point is that interruption that stands out, that helps us interpret everything and that the the meaning emerges from how A&B, how they're different, but how they connect. Like, what do you take from that middle B to help us interpret that the A conversation and Mark? Mark kind of stands out.

4:24 Maybe we could talk about, you know, when we're thinking of things that make Mark unique. How does it stand out among the other gospels? Well, you know, I from my interpretive framework, I, I, I just have to give from that I'm. Not trying to joke around, but I. 'Cause you should go back and watch our meth methane and mark in priority. Famously I'm methane priority. And but maybe you maybe this won't make a difference in what what you think comes first. But you know, I think we Peter is kind of the apostle behind the Gospel of Mark, right? You agree with that, right. And so then if Peter, well, and I happen to think that Peter has the Gospel of Matthew and the Gospel of Luke and he's switching back and forth of them and given Peter's nature, he's reading this, he's like, let me give you a story to illustrate this point.

5:14 Let me help interpret this story. So he interrupts the story, Peter while he's teaching the the Praetorian Guard and he gives the story gives some details and he goes back to it. And and when you think of Mark, you do think of like there's a lot of agreement between Matthew and Luke, But then there's like these highlight color things that the others don't have there that I think is Peter interjecting in on that story and saying, all right, let me give you some, even some more first hand stuff. That's, and it's known for that real. Fast pace, it's like, yeah, it's, it's sure. It's fast-paced. We always see like immediately, like things are moving on and on.

5:55 It's from and from one perspective, the least explanatory, you know, maybe outside of these little asides, like it just kind of gets the main points. A lot of times Mark is showing rather than telling. And so because of that, some of this narrative placement does some of that theological work where sometimes he doesn't over explain something, but he arranges things. That's kind of like maybe we're pushing that a lot, but that's what we're leaning into in this episode. And so from, you know what you were saying that might not have any bearing on at least the priority, right? Is kind of like, like, right? Yeah. You could you could well, I guess he couldn't be reading from Matthew right that part and doing this.

6:36 But maybe let let's say you are a marking priority and you'd think that there's like this oral tradition that's being handled down handed down. Maybe you could say Peter's reciting that and then and even if. He wasn't like Peter was around for like Matthew or you know what I'm saying? Like you know what I mean? So that wouldn't be like totally, you know, I, I don't know, the shortest, I always fall, I always fall back. Like, but I, I guess it does make sense to you're going to want to give like the Cliff notes versus like you want to build on to something. Might not be as I'm always thinking like, oh, I want to add to something rather than take away. But let's look at these examples. Let's look, it might be too much to read some of these, but Mark 5 verses 21 through 43, we have this, a couple of stories here. How, how, how do we want to tackle this, Michael, 'cause I don't know if it's, it's too much text. It's kind of a lot of text.

7:35 It's right on that tipping point. I know, man, it would be, but I can I if we want to, I can kind of give it a speedy read, but let's. Give a speedy read. All right, we can do that. All right, So this is 521 through 43. When Jesus had crossed over in the boat to the other side, a large crowd gathered around him. And so he stayed by the seashore on one of the one of the synagogue officials named Jarius came up and on seeing him, fell at his feet and implored him earnestly, saying, My little daughter is at the point of death, please come and lay your hands on her so that she will get well and live. And he went off with him, and a large cloud crowd was following him and pressing in on Him.

8:16 A woman who had had a hemorrhage for 12 years, and had endured much at the hands of many physicians, and had spent all that she had, and was not helped at all, but rather had grown worse after hearing about Jesus, she came up in the crowd behind him and touched his cloak. For she thought, If I touch his garments, I will be get well. Immediately the flow of blood was dried up, and she felt in her body that she was healed of her affliction. Immediately Jesus, perceiving in himself that the power proceeding from him had gone forth, turned around in the crowd and said, Who touched my garments? And the disciple said to him, You see the crowd pressing in on you, and you say, Who touched me? And he looked around to see the woman who had done this. But the woman, fearing and trembling, aware of what had happened to her, came and fell down before him and told him the whole truth.

9:00 And he said to her, Daughter, Your faith has made you well. Go in peace and be healed in your affliction. While he was still speaking, they came from the House of the synagogue official saying, Your daughter has died, why trouble a teacher anymore? But Jesus overheard what was being said, said to the synagogue official, do not be afraid any longer, only believe. And he allowed no one to accompany him except Peter and James and John, the brother of James. They came to the House of the synagogue official and he saw a commotion and people loudly weeping and wailing and entering in. He said to them, why make a commotion and weep? The child has not died, but is asleep. They began laughing at him, but putting them all out, he took along, took along the child's father and the mother and his own companions and entered the room where the child was.

9:44 Taking the child by the hand, he said to her, Talith Akum, which translated means little girl. I say to you, get up, that's a lot. That's a big translation there. Immediately the girl got up and began to walk, for she was 12 years old. And immediately they were completely astounded. And he gave them strict orders that no one should know about this. And he said that something should be giving to her to eat. Yeah, and I'm glad we read it all. I think. I think I think that is helpful. We see the story a that's like. Boom. The beginning. Yeah, boom. And it's like no transition. It's. Just in there. Just starts a new story. Very, very crazy. We see this first story of Jarius, that that book ends. And in the middle we've got this bleeding woman. We look at Jarius, the synagogue leader, very respective, respected.

10:29 He's given a name. Yeah. We, we know a lot about him. His daughter is 12 years old. Daughter not doing well. Daughter is dying. We read this and and Jarius is earnestly saying my daughter's at the point of death. There's urgency. Immediate action is needed like she needs to be saved right this seconds. So you would assume like, OK, let's do this. This is like we're on pins and needles. Tell us how this plays out. And then it's like, Nope, we're we're like in the same story, but we have this bleeding woman, very strange. It says she's been suffering for 12 years, that Jerry's daughter is 12 years old. You can see this obvious connection. This woman's not named. It's kind of the opposite. Jerry's is named and respected just like a no name person, socially unclean financially, doesn't have a lot of money spent on, you know, physicians.

11:15 This kind of thing been suffering kind of the opposite. I didn't even catch the 12 years. I never. Did. Either until you said, I'm sitting here thinking for the last 10 seconds like how did I never catch that? 12 years, 12 years, it's. Like in your face, but you can just like I'm the same way. It's like you can just go over and so you see you've got this powerful Gigerius, powerless lady, a very public versus invisible woman who's just in the lost in the crowd, this, you know, clean versus unclean. And what Jesus does, he stops, he asks questions. It's like he's like on a different timetable. Yeah, and the disciples almost rebuke him. I tried to like, it was like you, you see all the people around you, you're constantly being touched, Jesus, and you're going to say who touched you? Yeah, what do we even, what are we doing here? The critical moment, Jesus basically says, you know, don't fear, just believe.

12:07 And and you, you step back and you see, you know, God's power obviously applies in all different situations. Powerful, powerless, named person, you know, one of many clean, unclean, all these different things. But it's not limited by time like Jesus can do. What do you want? Things will work out when Jesus is Lord over things like death, over things like impurity, that faith is really at the center. This woman has faith, Jerry says. Faith. That's like very evident when others did not have faith. Right, Yeah, yeah, when, when the interpretive framework was there, 'cause I don't know I've ever read this with that interpretive framework in mind. I was like, OK, He ends basically saying, you know, your faith healed.

12:48 You go, and then boom, you see the scene where people don't have faith. And he's like, get out of here. And he turns to Jairus and he says something like, if you have faith, she'll be fine, right? Does he say something like? That something like that, like it's, yeah, exactly. I don't know exactly, but you can look look for it I think. Do not be afraid any longer, only believe only. Believe oh, that that is good. And so I think that really sets the stage. We've got maybe a couple more examples here. Let's look at Mark Chapter 11 and we will look at verses 12 through 25. Same thing. I can speed read this and we'll we'll get we'll get this on the on the way.

13:31 So the story a is Jesus curses the fig tree. It goes on the following day when they came from Bethany, Jesus was hungry and seeing in the distance a fig tree in a leaf. He wanted to see if he could find if he could find anything on it. When he came to it, he found nothing but leaves, for it was not the season for figs. And he said to it, pay no one ever eat fruit from you again. And his disciples heard it all right. Story B. And they came to Jerusalem and he entered the temple and began to drive out those who sold and those who bought in the temple. And he overturned the tables of the money changers in the seats of those who sold pigeons. He would not allow anyone to carry anything through the temple. And he was teaching them, and saying to them, Is it not written? My house shall be called a House of prayer for all nations, But you've made it a den of robbers.

14:14 And the chief priest and the scribes heard it, and were seeking a way to destroy him, for they feared him, because all the crowd was astonished at his teaching. And when evening came, they went out of the city, then back to Story A. As they passed by in the morning, they saw the fig tree had withered away to its roots. And Peter remembered and said to him, Rabbi, look, the fig tree that you cursed has withered. And Jesus answered them Half faith in God. Truly, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain be taken up and thrown into the sea, and is not doubt in his heart, but believes that what he says will come to pass, it will be done for him. Therefore, I tell you, whatever you ask in prayer, believe that you have received it and it'll be yours. And whenever you stand praying, forgive, if you have anything against anyone, so that your Father also who is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses. All right, we got these two stories. Like what are we doing, Mark?

15:03 Why are we why are we making these so different to story a the fig tree curse we got this tree looks totally healthy. There's no fruits. Jesus is looking looking for fruit and so he curses it. It also seems weird like on it's on the surface, like it's not the season. Why are we getting upset? It seems petty. It does kind of feel out of character. Yeah, yeah. But no fruit. But no fruits. No fruit. But it's not supposed to. But it's not this. Yeah. So and then we get. So we get to temple cleansing, religious activity is going on everywhere. Clearly there's economic exploitation. Prayer is contrasted with den of like prophet, den of robbers. There's this is not great.

15:47 And if you were to, you know, look at some key Old Testament text, Isaiah 56 talks about, you know, being a House of prayer for all nations. Jeremiah 7 talks about den of robbers. So he's kind of like bringing in this Old Testament imagery what the prophets had talked about. And then we get to the second-half of that fig tree being withered. The disciples noticed that the tree is dead from the roots up, and so we would be wise to connect this tree with what's going. How have I never connected it before it's? Weird, right? Did. Did did you study that? Was this part of your graduate work? This was this was not the the one that started it all was going through. We were going through the Joshua series and I got thinking about Josh Joseph and Judah, like how it got through this and looking back and the commentators would bring me back like, oh, and I was like, oh, and those two were right there and I was like, I wanna And then when I when I was doing like the grace relations, like on ethnicity class it I did.

16:44 It was pointing out me in a book, the Matthew thing, like how that was. That's such a big deal. So you went out and sought for. And then I sought for other ones like where does it? Where does it do this? And and then I came across this one. Yeah, that is. Crazy those two places got to be other places, yeah. Right there, like hidden in plain sight. I think Peter's saying this fig tree like those that temple no fruit. No fruit, it like looks good, the temple looks beautiful, everything's where it should be, a lot of activity. But that judgments explained symbolically that fruitlessness man leads to judgment even for those in God's house, right? Crazy could be more clear. That is, it's like, wow.

17:26 It's just like crazy. Yeah, yeah, that's. Oh man, that's great. That's good stuff. Mark 6, get your speed read on because I think it is helpful that if we're able to read through these, this is verse 7 through verse 30. All right, we get turned to the right page, verse 7 through 30, and it says and he's and he's. Let me just make sure it's six. Yeah, and he summoned the 12 and began to send them out in pairs and gave them authority over the unclean spirits. And he instructed them that they should take nothing for the journey except the mere staff, no bread, no bag, no money in their belt but to wear sandals. And he added, do not put on 2 tunics. And he said to them, whenever you enter a house, stay there until you leave town, any place that does not receive you or listen to you. As you go out from there, shake the dust off the soles of your feet for a testimony against them. They went out and preached that the men should repent. And they were casting out many demons and were anointing with oil many sick people and healing them. And King Herod heard of it.

18:30 So this would be story B. OK, great. Yes. And King Herod heard of it, for his name had become well known, and the people were saying John the Baptist has risen from the dead, and that is why these miracle miraculous powers are at work in him. But others were saying he's Elijah, and others were saying he is a prophet like one of the prophets of old. But when Harriet heard of it, he kept saying, John whom I beheaded has risen. For Herod himself had sent and had John arrested and bound in prison on account of Herodias, the wife of his brother Phillip, because he had married her. For John had been saying to Herod, It is not lawful for you to have your brother's wife. Rodius had a grudge against him and wanted to put him to death, and could not do so.

19:11 For Herod was afraid of John, knowing that he was a righteous and holy man. He kept him safe, and when he heard him, then when he heard him, he was very perplexed. But but, but he used to enjoy listening to him. A strategic day came when Herod on his birthday came up, gave a banquet for his Lords and military commanders and the leading men of Galilee. And when the daughter of Herodias came in and danced, she pleased Herod and his dinner guest. And the king said to the girl, Ask me for whatever you want, and I will give it to you. And he swore to her, whatever you ask, I will give you up to half my Kingdom. And she went out and said to her mother, What shall I ask for? And she said, The head of John the Baptist. Immediately she came in and hurry to the king and asked, saying, I want you to give me at once the head of John the Baptist on a platter.

19:58 And although the king was very sorry, yet because of his oath and because of the dinner guests, he was unwilling to refuse her. Immediately the king sent an executioner and commanded him to bring back his head, and he went and had him beheaded in prison, and brought the head on the platter and gave it to the girl, and the girl gave it to her mother. When his disciples heard about this, they came and took away his body and laid it in a tomb. The apostles gathered together with Jesus, and they reported to him all that they had done and taught. So if you're thinking this is a sandwich, the piece of bird on the other end is very short. It's. Very short and the pops came back and they they reported to Jesus. So, so story A the mission of the 12 we see authority is given there. There's power over demons. They're preaching repentance and we see it and it's like pretty exciting.

20:43 It's it's kingdoms expanding. There's momentum. They're they're, they're doing these signs and wonders. It's like, man, what can stop God? Nothing can stop God. And then right immediately after we get all this excitement. That's John the Baptist. Just it's not good, not great. This faithful prophet speaks truth in the face of, you know, politics executed unjustly. There's political corruption making a public spectacle. Brutality is like overemphasizing this in a strange way. And so you read these two things together. What are we supposed to think about? You know, it's not that discipleship is always going to be awesome.

21:28 You're going to, like, cast out damage. You're going to be the best person in the world. It's discipleship includes danger. Being faithful does not guarantee safety. Proclamation can lead to suffering. I think it's good to hold these two so you don't, like, run off in one. It's not all doom and gloom and, you know, material, at least not all, you know, prosperity. But these things are attention. Sunshine and roses, Yeah, sometimes it's dungeons and beheading I. That's yeah, it's bad. It it. Could be, could be good, could be bad it. It could be bad and both of these, you know, holding up together gives you that that balance where you don't get, you know, A1 sided 1 sided view so marked sandwiches that was 3 mark in sandwiches you full. I thought they were good.

22:14 I especially that center one, that was cool. You know 2 good ones but you put the best one in the middle. So you were making a sandwich of marking sandwiches. Right. Well, like a triple Decker. Yeah, there you go. And we see, you know, these different theological themes being promoted like faith, you know, God's overtime. Faith is at the central no, no matter what's happening, judgment being revealed symbolically to those that don't produce fruit. And then this realistic view of discipleship and really it, it when I more, I read scripture and go through some of this like biblical theology and see the connections. It's, it is, it is a literary genius. Like you can't craft stuff better than this.

22:55 Yeah, that's really good it. Is really good. So, so read things, look at their placement. You know, you should think about why, why is this here? Especially if you're like, man, seems like everything's going great for the disciples, the terrible like you, you see these things. Just just start and think about it because I think that tells you a lot about what you are reading. It's hard to always have that purview, but it's like good good to think about big picture what's going on. Sometimes, you know, I think it goes both ways. It's like, I think what we do well of in our tradition is nailing down the details. We hang on to every warden we should and we're parsing out, and that's good. But man, you can also.

23:39 Miss the forest for the trees. Yes, yeah. And you really can. And I found that more so true in my life missing. It's like, man, I'm seeing this big picture and like reading this, like you were saying, it's like it's right there, it's right there. So it's good to, you know, it's good to zoom in and zoom out, do both those, do both those things. Yeah, it's very good. Next, we've got a few more aligned. I don't know if we'll use all of these, but you know, maybe we'll talk a little profits down the road. Something else? Anything else you got on Mark or sandwiches? I mean, sandwiches are great. Yeah, sandwich. Whoever invented the sandwich, great job. Yeah, the Earl sandwich or something like that. OK, OK. Yeah, yeah.

24:21 I don't. I think that's what we're told, Yeah. I don't know if that's actually that's actually the thing. Yeah, Yeah, that's great. Maybe it is. Well, if nothing else, we can transition. Yeah, let's do that. To the last take. Last take. Man, yeah. So the clue that I remember, that clue that I said like if I forget. Don't disremember. It was like it was. It was something like not very good, not very good. Yeah, good. So some of our listeners will know, I know you know that there are there's a group of men at our church. We we play Dean D and we just had a recent session. Wow.

25:01 And you know, I'm the DM, so I'm trying to put together a narrative story and I put a lot of time into. Have you ever seen these recordings where people like sing against themselves? Like they put like they, they do all four parts or. Something easy, yeah. And man, like not not that easy to do. And I was, I put a lot of time in. So I took the song from The Hobbit and I, you know, put different words to it. So I was thinking a long time about that. And then I was like having to like put it into my song thing. So 'cause you have to like be able to hear it so that you're you're with it. So you have. To it doesn't work if you're off. Right, right. You have to hear it and sing it and which is a really weird thing. And this song was a little bit weird and I put it together and not good.

25:48 Oh yeah, yeah. Not. Good. I was like, I don't think I'm ever going to let anyone hear this. I may try it again. Like because I was, I was telling Jonathan, like I got some excuses like my throat, you know, I was coming off of a little bit of a sickness. And so, and I think maybe I can do my setup a little bit better. But man, I listened back to it. I was like, I was just laughing. I was like this. Is that's so funny. Yeah, that's not good. How challenging that is. Yeah, man. You want to play it, give us so did you You did not. You did not. You did you play that. I did not play it for them. Yeah. Yeah. And they're like, will we ever hear it? I'm like, not in the serious thing. Maybe we just want to laugh. Oh. That's good, man. Yeah, this thing, it's funny, you look at like some of these videos stuff and you're like, I mean, obviously it's hard work and perfection, all these things, but it just seems like it's just effortlessly put together, you know? Yeah, And I wonder what their setup is because I see some people like I was recording into my phone and listening from the computer because the computer would scroll the music for me. Oh, yeah.

26:46 And this mic was is here and not at my house. It's like if I had this mic, maybe I would sing into this mic and then listen from my phone. But yeah, you have to hear the music so that you can do you can have the the rhythm, you know, and the tempo and stuff be the exact same every time. So you're singing to a track, but you're only but only, only that's getting recorded. So it was it was a good experience. Gave me a better appreciation for those people online. Like, OK, you'd figure this out even singing in tune like you would think, but like it's with that noise right in my ear. Yeah. Like sometimes I'd, I'd be like, why did I, why did I go flat or sharp on that, that note I shouldn't have.

27:29 It was it was, it was humbling. I'll say that. I've often thought we should do a take two, do a take two song. Yeah, take. Two song. It'd be, it'd be it'd be not good. Mainly 'cause I can't. I don't like. A little Jingle or something? A little Jingle, you know, you, you know, never know. So if you want to see that, you know, put it in the comments, man. Yeah, all those things. There's like so many great ideas I have of like a little skit here, a little from there. It's just so hard to edit stuff. I mean, I don't do any of it anyway, but it's like, you just got to like, it's too much work, you know? Yeah, I don't know if it's on this channel like this channel back in the day was my personal channel and I started putting some like apologetic classes up there and stuff. But it was like there was like you I think you can probably see since you have editor rights or something, but you can go back and like the very first videos.

28:30 I have just a lot of personal videos that are unlisted. So I don't I think I don't know if it's on this channel. Once we kind of when I started doing like clear Christian thinking, we retitled the channel, I put together a my I was like, OK, I need to kind of separate my personal videos from this channel. So I did create a, a just a different channel that is Michael Mott. So I say all that to say, I don't know where this video lives. It could be on that one, it could be on both. But I did, we did back when Julia was born, 2013, we put I put together a edited video of Chloe and Lydia called the N sisters.

29:17 Oh, that's funny. And because when we were visiting Jill, they would fight for the who's going to push the buttons on the elevators at MUSC? And so Juju, Jill's mom got onto him like y'all should be, you know, you should be the first show, be the last slash should be first. You know, you should be wanting your, you know, you should love each other enough like the other. So the next time they're like, no, you go first, you go first, you go first. So then we made a little skid out of that, called it the ancestors because they were insisting that the other one goes first. Insist. Good. That's really good. Insist, man. So good. You know, I, I had you know, when you think of something that I'm just like too tired. I had it was such a good thing to add here. It it was another plug for this stupid video made this little skit in college that I'm gonna that that I don't remember what we called it.

30:10 Smith 232 'cause that was the name of our dorm in our dorm room. Smith, 232. Our roommates. And this is from Bob Jones. Bob Jones, the. Bears. Bruins. The Bruins, they are Bears. I mean, you're not wrong. Yeah, yeah. It was, yeah. So it was good. You know what they were called before the Bruins? You told me this before and it was something honestly, I. Actually like it. Yeah. What was it? The Swamp Angels. Swamp angels, isn't that. Crazy. I think maybe I made that up. And I think, I don't think that's what they were back in the day. Speaking of the Bears, yeah, AKA Bruins Bears. Have you heard that the Chicago Bears are probably gonna move out of Chicago and Indiana? Yeah, the Bears are going to move to Indiana. Likely.

30:52 Just like tax reasons state like that seems weird they don't have space in Chicago or like what's the deal I think. They're just tired of Chicago. No. Are you serious? Yeah, and the Indiana? Indiana be a better market than Chicago? Well. It's like, you know, there's like. I know it's not far. I guess they're just thinking they'll keep all their fans, like they won't like Alien and so I guess. So I don't know, Yeah, go, go check it out. I well. That's crazy cause bears is like one of those. I mean, I know they haven't been good for forever, but it's like, so like. Just tradition. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That is crazy, man. Sports teams, man. No allegiance. It's very confusing. Like the Oklahoma City Thunder used to be the Seattle SuperSonics, and it's just weird because.

31:35 Who were the was there Timberwolves? Minnesota Timberwolves. They're still around. What it what is it Minnesota? Timberwolves. Yeah, yeah. But it's weird when a team like moves like I guess Oklahoma City, like has all the history of Seattle, but they're a different team, different countries. But it's like like, do you count? They made it to the can you be like, OKC made it to the finals in 1998 or so, You know what I mean? It's like weird, like the it's totally, it's like. Seattle. Where did they go? Where did? The Grizzlies come from. Yeah, Where did they come from? Where did they go? Cotton Eye, Joe. There you go. Where would you say a lot of grizzly bears are? Like where do you think? Like if you just had to guess what part of the country. Well, up in the like Washington, yeah.

32:16 Very close to Vancouver. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So yeah, they were Vancouver Grizzlies. And I guess Canadians didn't love it. Yeah. So yeah, I mean Seattle, Vancouver both lost teams like they got kind. Of But they went down to Memphis, Yeah. Then where do they? They're not still in Memphis. They are Memphis. Oh, they star still in Memphis. Yeah, surprisingly, because they don't make like small market, it's hard to make money. There's there's some that they just don't play in the the. They don't play in the pyramid. Yet. OK, I thought they left. Yeah, they had to build the FedEx forum. OK. So yeah. So there is a there is a pro sports team within driving distance of I'm just. Curious like some good, they're a mess, but they, I don't know if you know anything about John Morant, but he's got this. He's got this bad habit of like pulling out guns on his Instagram videos and it's just not. Can you imagine the league doesn't love it? He's a player on the team, yeah.

33:05 He's like. Amazing athlete. He's like, he's like the perfect athlete and the fact that he's like 6 foot one and can like, it's like a short guy who can just like jump over people and dunk over people. He he's like he's been injured and not been good and he's been suspended and stuff. So he's he's, he's gonna kind of been a bummer, but he was like their guy and, you know, it's kind of falling apart. Yeah. So maybe you know this, this has gone a little long, but maybe you know this as APT. You know you have slow twitch and fast twitch, yes. And strength is generally associated with fast twitch muscles lifting and stuff, right? Well, some lifts, yes and no, where some strength takes a few seconds.

33:49 Like to get strength, like for a deadlift or squat, you're going to use both. But fast twitch is usually explosive fast, which is a little bit different than strength, although it's they're more similar than endurance. But you all of a say it's a big spectrum. It's not like type 2 type one. It's like, I mean, it's everything in between. Yeah, so back when in my more trim days, even even I was just, I was never a dunker. I just never had the explosiveness but. A strong guy. But a strong guy. I mean, you know, you've heard me say it. Yeah. I don't know that you believe it, but a a sprinter. Back in the day, yeah. So I was, I was always puzzled by this, like that is.

34:31 So interesting because this is not this is this is always true. What you're saying can be true to, but nine times out of 10 you find the guy that can jump the highest, probably the fastest. Not always true, but that that's like a really good correlation, but not all the time. Yeah, yeah. And I want to say this, I was not faster than the running backs. Oh, right. Yeah. But a state. Yeah, yeah. But I was so I guess that is a good measure, you know, being the fastest O lineman and the the the best. I think I had either the best of this, I don't also walk on it a state. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I had either the best or the second best vertical of the alignment.

35:13 That's impressive. Yeah, but I was also some of those guys were. Yeah, that's probably the limit thing. And I was like. 250-5265 So I was having to get less up in the air. Yeah, that's probably a lot of it too. It's like it's a lot easier to jump. Like if you're producing the same amount of force but you have less weight to push that that's also. A big part of it, yeah. A big part of pull ups too, just like that's. True. There was there was one time in my life that I could do pull ups is in the Navy. I was running all the time and I weighed more than than when I was. Maybe I could have done a pull up in football. We just didn't do them a lot at a state. We were lifting like crazy all the time at a state, but I don't know that pull up was in there. It's great.

35:57 But when I was in the Navy, we were running all the time. I went into a gym and I was like, we'll just see. And I was like, I was like, I need a pull up. Really never not be able to do a pull up again. And it's like, you know, 12 months later, I was like, I can't do a pull up anymore. Yeah, it's so funny. Like finding those because obviously I'm, I'm the opposite where it's like I'll go to the fair and they'll be like do 15 pull ups, you win a prize, it'll be easy, let's do it. But I'm not very strong, but I can do a lot of pull ups are, you know what I'm saying? So it's all and I could always jump high and run fast, but it's all relative to body weight where, you know, I I wasn't putting up great numbers in the weight room, you know what I mean? Yeah, which which was crazy because, you know, I just kind of returned to weightlifting and like on my second or third one, I did my peaked on my bench like 205 five times, which is yeah.

36:45 Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's pretty good. Like there's so I'm like 225 is right around the corner, which is like what a lot of people are like they if you can get 225, but I'm but I'm a big guy. So you would think that, you know, I have probably just, I don't know, more mass, more frame to. Do that. Yeah, it is. It is crazy. Yeah. I've been, I've been, I've been falling off a little bit, but I was, I've been doing a lot of speed work and like sprinting and stuff. And a couple of people that play Frisbee, they did. They ran track in college. And Zach? You're so much faster. They they haven't noticed, but the but I did I this is a really good compliment. Not that Al Frisbee is a lot, but they're like, there's like 3 guys that were on track in college and they're like, Zach, you ran track in college, right? They're like, and I was like, no, it's great. I was like, you know, but they're like man, they're like they which it's they're like man, you would perfect for that. They they they place me.

37:37 Can you guess what distance they place me? More of a not high distance, but higher than a, you know, fast. I would say 200. See that that that would be better. They they place me at the 408 hundred. Oh, the 800? Yeah, yeah. And I looked at I looked up like what's like an Olympic frame like elite level 800m runner and they're like ideal is like 5-9 to six one like 160 lbs. That's like you have to be that. Like that's like what you have to be to run that because you're because you're. Trading off what you're carrying with your muscle that you have to. Do yeah, it's like a it's like a mix where if you run the 100, you probably need to be like 15 lbs more of muscle. If you're going to run like longer distance, you'd be a little bit, a little bit thinner. But that's like the, that's like what you know. Now that I think about my answer, 800 is better. Yeah, they're like, man, you're built for the 800. Yeah, I I knew a guy actually crazy. He was in a car accident and died recently. But you're billed and he went to state in the 800. I was like, that's, that's I wish I had track, track to run. But soccer, soccer was good, you know, basketball was fine because I we can get off the cinema running along. But man, the best thing is just playing out a small Christian School where it's like.

38:54 The best thing about banter at the end is. Who cares, You can tune. Out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I loved it because you I could. I was always faster. I was always faster and could jump higher than like anyone we played and then like we like this was back when you were Memphis was good. We had some friends that played like on U of M, We played pickup games and it's like a whole different game when like when everyone there can like jump just as high as you, run just as fast as you and they're like 5 inches taller and they weigh 20 lbs more. And you're like, Oh my, I have no advantage. Like other people used to be taller than me or stronger than me, but I could always get around them. But when you find those people that are bigger and faster, you're like, oh, this is like not even fair. You see a six three guy jump and you're like that. It's man is it it's this is this is it's a different, different world.

39:42 There's levels to this where a small Christian School is much different than, you know, the real the real world. So. But anyway man, fun times. Yeah, times. That's our take. That's our take. Thanks for listening to Take Two. Find us wherever you find podcasts and on YouTube for those who want to watch our video cast.