Anthropology | Man's Fall

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All right, Zach, I see.
You know, I made you change your

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shirt before we started
recording the last one, which

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was good.
You had on some Grays and some

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Blues.
And believe it or not, I have

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to.
I have to like, man, this is not

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like a perfect green.
Yeah, so my.

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Head might be floating.
It might, yeah.

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So I didn't want to do that, but
I see it is from the Lakers.

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Oh yeah, probably from when the
Black Mamba was playing.

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You would think this is actually
from 2020.

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This is this is their their.
Code more recent More recent.

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Yeah, surprising that they won
recent like I've been pretty

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terrible overall and it was
during the COVID year I.

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Didn't even look at the the
date.

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I would have known, you know
that.

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Yeah.
But Speaking of black Mom, yeah.

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That's a great Oh yeah, snake
guy.

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Our our interest unite here.
Wow, what a plot twist.

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So there is this snake owner,
you may have heard about this in

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the news.
I don't know, man who owns

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venomous snakes actually here in
South Carolina somewhere, Wow.

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You can do that with certain
permits.

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He had an inland taipan snake,
which is from Australia, known

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to be.
You know, it's hard to measure

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this because you know there's
different things, but known to

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be one of the most venomous
snacks there are.

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It's has five different toxins
that attack your body in

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different ways.
Australia, man, they got all the

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crazy.
Things you know, they, you know,

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removes your blood's ability to
coagulate, starts attacking your

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nervous system.
Don't like that attacking your

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muscle tissue, starts attacking
your lining and your, your, you

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know, your epithelial cells.
It's just crazy.

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So what?
You would think that maybe you

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wouldn't want to free handle
this snake.

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Yeah, based on what you're
telling me, I think that sounds

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pretty reasonable.
Don't don't touch this without

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gloves or something.
And you probably know where this

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is going I.
Can tell it's not going to be

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good.
So this guy, you know, free

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handles snakes and you can find,
you can find people handling

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king cobras, you know,
rattlesnakes and stuff.

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And it's like, to me, it's like
playing with a Russian roulette.

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Like, if you know what you're
doing, you're probably going to

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be OK, but.
It's still probably.

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Yeah, it's still probably and
this guy gets tagged by this

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baby Inland Taipan.
He like we don't stock Inland

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Taipan anti venom in the United
States we.

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Don't have that at Walgreens.
No I mean cause guess what we

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don't normally.
So he's like on the Internet?

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Like does anyone have anti venom
for the inland taipan?

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Did he say this in your Facebook
group?

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Was he wasn't in my face
Amazing.

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Yeah.
We don't allow like the Facebook

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groups.
I'm you can't.

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We don't allow pictures of
people free handling venomous

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snakes 'cause it's you.
Don't want to encourage that.

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It's nice you're responsible.
Right, right.

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So anyways, from what we can
tell, he's gonna make it.

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But it was questionable.
He was unconscious for five days

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in the ICU while they were
trying to save us.

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Wow.
What's?

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The name of the snake Snake
again the.

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Inland Taipan.
So are you telling me Kobe

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Bryant should have called
himself the Inland Taipan Snake?

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Would have been a good nickname.
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Black Mamba is equally a a
gotcha snake that you wouldn't

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want to, you know, I wouldn't
want to mess with any venomous

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snake that has any type of, you
know, there is a what is it a

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liar snake or a a cat snake?
There's a couple.

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Snakes and a liar.
Snake 2.

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Terrible.
Names LYRE that type.

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Oh, OK, I was like, I like a
liar.

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I believe that's their names.
They're in the southwest of

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United States that they're
mildly venomous.

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They're not significant to
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You might have a little bit of
redness, actually.

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The hognose snake that people
sometimes we'll a.

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Lot of snake talk.
You know your snakes, Yeah.

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Well, we we can keep going.
This is just scratching the.

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Surface.
Nothing I think illustrates the

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depravity of man like that guy
or this infatuation with snakes.

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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I would just say let's, let's

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close it off.
There are some mildly venomous

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snakes that you could take it by
drum and it'd be OK, But any of

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your, you know, once they cross
the threshold, you don't want to

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take a bite, you know?
Boom, I like it, fits right in.

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Tim last week talked about the
glory of man that ultimately

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comes from God being made in
God's image.

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We're Part 2, the fall from
glory.

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And white people do dumb things
and are affected by venomous

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snake and all all of these great
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So let's go ahead and let's take
it to the next level from the

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hearts of the low country in
South Carolina.

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It's the Take Two podcast where
we take theology to the next

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level.
We are in Part 2 of our series

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on anthropology, the study of
man.

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And last week we talked about
all the good stuff, the

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positive, what we were created
to do.

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This week we're going to talk
about what Tim titles The Fall

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from Glory I and I think our
study through Romans.

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This really helps prep the way
we're not saying anything off

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the wall.
We kind of got the groundwork

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laid.
So I'm excited to kind of jump

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into this second lesson in this
Foundation series.

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No, that's very good.
And I'm hoping, Zach, that you

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can kind of carry this lesson.
I'll, I'll speak in where I can,

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but during this, during this
podcast, during the lesson,

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we're podcasting, but during the
lesson I was fixing something

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that we, we had to get done.
So I, I have watched it, but you

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know, I I'm counting on your
first ten knowledge.

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Live experience and then there's
something about it's like being

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at a concert ride.
You just gotta.

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Be there.
That's right.

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That's right.
And and so some verses to frame

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this are verses you have you've
heard 100 times if you, if

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you're familiar with Scripture,
Romans 323 for olive send and

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fallen short of the glory of
God, this prominent passage.

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And then Romans one that this
also very foundational passage

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that they exchanged the glory of
the immortal God for images.

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And really that that second
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verses speak to looking at our
primary purpose, what we hit

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last week and and the effect.
So being made in the image of

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God, we we were to we are to
reflect and represent God out of

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a Worshipful relationship with
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We do this by letting others of
doing responsibilities through

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our different genders.
We can have different strengths

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to do this better through our
bodies, through our souls,

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through our will, volition,
rational capacity, emotional

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capacity, our whole entire
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We talked about this last week.
It's made to glory, glorify God.

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Yeah.
And I appreciated Tim brought

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out several different verses
that talked about the glory

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there.
I don't know if if you recall

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that and and how we have fallen
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And he talked about I think it
was Spurgeon again that said

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that great quote.
We are, you know, you know, we

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are idol makers.
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Yeah, your heart is like an idol
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It's like, oh, that's such a
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I.
Love that and it's just like how

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we can get invested and anytime
we sin, we've made an idol cause

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we've said the glory of this.
It's bigger to me than the glory

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of God and his revealed will for
me or you know, and ultimately

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what happens is I seek my glory.
I want to put Michael Mott on

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the throne and I want to say
Michael Mott's in charge.

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He knows what's best he can.
He can see down the path and he

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can see that through the sin,
he's going to get the most glory

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and the most happiness.
And really that's just a very

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prideful, evil, wicked thing to
think, man, I'm, I'm smarter

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than God.
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priorities wrong, we see really
an ugliness to our nature.

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Yeah, I think, I think you
nailed it.

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I was for a class.
I meant I was doing this, this

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word today.
I should have taken, I should

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have connected the dots.
But it's interesting when you

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look at the words glory and in
verses where they're connected

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with image and how those two
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over Scripture, especially
Romans.

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But thinking about what we're
supposed to do and then thinking

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about what the reality is, I
think I think you really framed

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it that we see that in our
everyday lives that we want to

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be kind of the center of things.
We're making idols left and

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right.
And so we're going to start is

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with the different questions
that Tim answers.

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The first question is what is
the sole good question?

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Yeah.
And and I know from speaking

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with Tim that he's a dipartite
or bipartite.

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I've heard them both, but he he
would really see, you know, the

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physical side of us and the non
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But he's not going to make a big
fuss out of it.

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But hopefully you can see that
there is a non physical side.

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Even if you're aren't, are not a
believer, you would go, yeah,

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there's emotions, there's, you
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don't have a physical reality.
And he talks about, you know in

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Proverbs 423 how you know our
hearts, which is one of the

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words that the Bible would use
for a non invisible self.

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Yeah, you could also say what
soul person?

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Mind, yeah, all those out of it
flows the wellspring of life.

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And so we need to, you know, the
admonishment there is we, we

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should guard our heart.
And really, he spends quite a

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bit of time, yeah, talking about
his kind of his expertise

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because he got into trying, you
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difficulties when he was younger
both, you know, he some sin that

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he found himself in that he
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Let's not, let's not give him a
easy way out.

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Right I.
Like it.

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But then also that led to some,
you know, he would say that he

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was disciplined and he got this
malnourishment or this inability

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for his body to, you know,
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some places.
And through that, he's looking

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for answers, which is ultimately
what led him to be a biblical

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counselor.
So throughout this lesson, he's

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kind of going to juxtapose and
compare and contrast like the

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world solution to these problems
that we're talking about, you

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know, man's depravity versus the
Bible solution and what the

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biblical counselor might, you
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Yeah, the insight's so good
because he sees people that have

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been to, you know, these
different counselors without

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that biblical basis, and he
notices even if even if they are

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Christians counseling.
It's not saying a Christian

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can't counsel, but I think
you're predisposed based on how

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the science is portrayed in
schooling and certification

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where you're just not going to
go the right way.

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You really have to do a lot of
work around that, which I think

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you probably can do.
But if you can't, just take a

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hook, line and sinker and be
effective in the same way that

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Scripture teaches.
Yeah.

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And I remember, you know, just
as a just as an example of this

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one couple that was at one of
the his counseling fellowship

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dinners where he was like, you
know, it was a fundraiser, but

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he was gone.
They were given testimony.

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They had gone to a Christian
counselor and the guy, the man

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suffered from anger issues.
And the solution was like when

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they got angry, they're supposed
to get these pool noodles, go

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out into the garage and just
whale on each other and try to

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just get the anger out.
And then that would help them

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get the emotion out.
And and it was like, that didn't

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help us at all.
Like it made it worse.

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It stirred up our.
Anger better at swinging pool

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noodles at people's faces.
Yeah.

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And so you can, you can have
well meaning Christian

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counselors who have been trained
in a certain way to attack it,

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whether they're and Tim brought
out like typically, either it's

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something that's happened to you
in your past, in your childhood,

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or there's some type of defect
in your brain or your body or

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like the circumstances.
And that's really all that those

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secular counseling theories can
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But but the Bible, it can deal
with your soul and your choices

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in your heart and how you're
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Yeah, there's this book he
mentioned either this week or

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last week or at some point.
It's called bad therapy.

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It's making its rounds maybe in
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But this person, she's not
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perspective.
She's just looking at the state

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of therapy in America
specifically and how it's

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ruining children because there's
no resilience, there's no grit

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because you can point
everything's this problem, this

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problem, there's nothing I can
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I'm just a victim.
And, and just how many people

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are getting therapy?
And like, like you're saying to

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mention that it's because they
grew up this way or grew up this

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way where some people it's like
they can't get off therapy.

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They they need that the rest of
their life.

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And that's kind of crazy.
But he mentions that feelings

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they're they're followers.
That's has these, these these

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great sayings that to kind of
frame it.

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like I choose, your feelings are

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following actions.
When you choose to do something,

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your feelings will follow those
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So it's important to choose
certain things over others.

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You can think about things,
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Feelings follow things that you
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When you want something, your
feelings, they follow

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motivations, they follow
desires.

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convictions, that they'll follow
your faith, that these are

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really tangible, practical ways
that you can look at and say,

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what am I choosing?
What am I thinking?

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What am I desiring?
What am I believing?

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not being just subject to your
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those feelings in and bring them
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No, I think that's perfect.
And I he had a graphic there

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that kind of had feelings at the
center and it had all four of

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these pointing in.
And your feelings are real.

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They they kind of help you be
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So we're not saying you can't,
you know, you know, your

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feelings are important, your
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when you can connect what we

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know with a proper emotional
spots, that can be a very deep,

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you know, worship.
So feelings can be very, very

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good and they can be warned, but
they can't be the rule.

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They can't be the dictator of
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And, and, and we got to have,
like you said, I choose, I

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think, I want, I believe if we
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that we're choosing well, we're
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Well, we're believing.
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things then that will lead our
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Now I'll, I'll read this briefly
because it really speaks to our

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motivations, our desires, our
convictions, what we and our

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faith, what we want and what we
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He referenced James 114 and 15.
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difference between what's
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James, right?
But each person is tempted when

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he is alert and enticed by his
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Then desire, when it has
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and sin, when it's fully grown,
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So you kind of see this pattern
that's set into motion really

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comes internally.
It's not my fault.

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It's and so when you say it's
not your.

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Fault.
It's the stuff around me.

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Yeah, it's like you're missing a
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something, you still make some

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of these decisions of how to
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So if you're fighting against
sin, I think it's I, I, I have

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found victory over sin sometimes
when I will say, you know, God,

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you know, I desire this.
I desire to be respected 100%.

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You know that you know, I want
to always look the best in front

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of people, whatever you know,
whatever it happens to be, help

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me with those desires, like help
me desire your glory more than

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that desire, you know, and so
you can help starting and form

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those so that you can choose
well, you can think well, you

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can want the the right things.
And, and he broke it down

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between psychology and
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So psychiatry you can have a
physician who can prescribe

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meds.
Psychology, you don't have to be

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a physician.
You just be a counselor of some

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sort who's, you know, just
focused on on the person and

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really the way they address
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The reason why you might suffer
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you're, you're basically like an
animal operating off of your

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instincts.
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input, you're going to have this
output and that that's really at

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the end, you can change your
inputs because you can't make a

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decision.
You're just going to respond.

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And then the other way that
maybe a psychiatrist would,

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would look through things or
that you suffer physically

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because you're a machine, it's
just chemicals firing off and

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it's a pure X equals YA plus b =
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And if we can fix this equation
based on this amount of

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serotonin or whatever the
hormone or chemical might be, we

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can solve all your problems.
Yeah, yeah, and his poor dog

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just keeps getting.
Brought up, is it Poppy?

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Poppy Poppy is is was the
example of the day for you know,

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you know an animal you know so.
So that that kind of sets the

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foundation.
What, what is a soul?

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What's at your center?
Who are you as a, as a person?

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Then it kind of shifts.
It's like what?

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What is depravity?
Yep, Yep.

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And I like how he said, you
know, if you buy into this,

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that's making you a little bit
above the animals, whereas

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Scripture says you're I've made
you a little bit below the

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angels or depending maybe a
little bit below God.

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Like that's we have a high
calling to choose and to check

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our own desires.
That that is so foundational and

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that's why he spent the whole
first lesson talking about that

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positive side, because if you
don't get what a human is, then

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I it makes total sense.
Like it makes sense the way they

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go in their solution to problems
is how you would treat Poppy.

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Yeah, all.
Right, So total depravity, you

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know, we've read in our
podcasts, you know, even just go

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back to Tuesdays podcast where
we're reading Romans 3/10, 11:00

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and 12:00.
You can read those as well.

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Here's some other verses.
Here's David after his sin with

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best Sheba says, behold, I was
brought forth in iniquity and in

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sin my mother did conceive me.
Now he's not saying his mom and

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dad were, you know, doing
something wrong.

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He's just saying in the very
instance of his being conceived

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and his growing, he had a sin
nature.

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He was sin was with him all the
time.

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Ephesians 2-3, something that
passage we've referenced very

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often as well.
It's, it's great, it says, among

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whom we all once lived in the
passions of our flesh, carrying

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out the desires of the body and
the mind.

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And we're by nature children of
wrath like the rest of mankind.

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He's saying all of mankind,
children of wrath as the default

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disposition.
And when you, when you think

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about it that way, that really
opens your eyes to the reality

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of, of depravity, Michael, you
might hear this term thrown out

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there.
Total depravity.

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It's big in reformed circles.
What, what's that mean?

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Because it is easy to mix that
up a little bit, I think.

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Yeah, so total depravity.
And and you, if you've heard

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this discussed, you've probably
heard it a lot of times.

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But if you haven't it, you'd be
tempted to think that that

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phrase means that everyone is as
bad as you could be.

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And clearly that's not the case.
But what it means is that every

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part of us has totally been
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My ability to reason, my
desires, my wants, my my body,

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that it is totally depraved so
that my whole nature in its

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natural self is bent away from
God.

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It's bent towards making these
idols that that I like.

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And it means that my decisions
and my thought processes,

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they've been, they're faulty.
Yeah, and and he does a great

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job of tying these to Scripture.
Are you looking up this Titus

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115 passage?
He'll go through different

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passages to kind of show the
extents of this total depravity.

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So our consciousness is, I guess

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that's the plural are defiled.
It says to the pure all things

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are pure.
But those who are defiled and

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unbelieving, nothing is pure but
their mind and their conscience

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are defiled.
And then I just remember being

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like, I'll just be transparent,
being a 7th grade boy and you

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would laugh at everything,
'cause you can make everything

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be an impure joke.
That's the that's the worst age.

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That's right, impure jokes as
well.

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Just for everything. 7th grade
man.

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Yeah, yeah, everything was
impure.

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And it's like, you know, as you
get older and, and hopefully

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pure, then, you know,
everything's pure.

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It's, you know, you, you, you
kind of miss those, those other

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connotations.
Ephesians 418 He spent a little

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bit of time on this verse
because it gives several reasons

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why someone what would do evil
if you're a unbeliever.

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Paul writes they are talking
about unbelievers darkened in

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their understanding.
They're alienated from the life

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of God because of the ignorance
that's in them due to their

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hardness of hearts goes on to
say they become callous.

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They've given themselves up to
these different sins of

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impurity, but right there you're
separated from God.

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Your hearts are darkened, you're
ignorant, you're not receiving

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God's word that there's a lot of
things that kind of play into

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this that really the result is
evil because we're.

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Subject to these things.
Yeah, I see you have 4 reasons

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that come out of that.
This verse our understanding is.

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Darkened my handwriting's not
the best.

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I get I people impact.
I write prayer requests on the

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board.
Everyone just starts booing like

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well I can't read any of.
These all right, all right.

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We're ignorant.
There's ignorance that is in

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them.
That is in them.

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This is good.
Maybe I should just let you read

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the rest of these, but being
alienated, I got that one and

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I'll let you get those last.
One hardening of their hearts.

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Oh yeah, yeah.
Yeah, so all of these play into,

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you know, our our depravity and
and the reality just how, how

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depraved we are.
And then Michael's got the just

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the banger that that tells tells
it like it is.

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Yeah, there is none righteous or
so this is Romans 310.

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There's none righteous, Not even
one.

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You could just stop there.
You could just stop there.

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None of us are righteous.
There's none who understands.

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There's none who seeks for God.
All have turned aside.

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Together they have become
useless.

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There is none who does good.
There is not even one.

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Their throat is an open grave.
With their tongues.

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They keep deceiving the poison
of ASP.

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There's a good snake reference.
It's under their lips whose

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mouth is full of cursing and
bitterness.

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Their feet are swift to shed
blood, destruction and misery in

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their past and the path of peace
they have not known.

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There is No Fear of God before
their eyes.

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Yeah, if that doesn't paint a
picture, I I don't know what

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else will.
And the beautiful thing about

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that is Paul is he's just
quoting Scripture, man.

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He's he's he's using God's Word,
Old Testament, making it a

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reality so that that's the
extent of our depravity.

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And really this, this happened
at the fall with Adam and Eve

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sinning that Adam as our federal
head.

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We talked about this in Romans.
You know, we're, we're all

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you're either an Adam or in
Christ and, and everyone at

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least at some point, they are in
Adam and after the fall, they

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knew things like shame.
They knew things like fear.

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They were hiding and you know,
even Adam kind of threw others

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under the bust.
Blame shifted when it comes to

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Eve.
It's this woman that you gave

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me.
Lord, she's the one that did it.

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Yeah.
So so we all, we all can trace

451
00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:45,640
it back to to the fall.
You wanna get into what what sin

452
00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:47,800
is?
Yeah, so Grudem gives this

453
00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:50,440
definition.
It's the failure to conform to

454
00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:55,280
the moral law of God in act
attitude.

455
00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:58,280
That's our heart or in our
nature.

456
00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,840
Sounds like your sermon on your
your sermon on the Sermon on the

457
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:03,520
Mount.
That it's not just it doesn't

458
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,080
stop the axe or law.
Yeah, yeah, it's it.

459
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:09,560
It goes to even to our thoughts
and our our desires.

460
00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:13,560
You know, sometimes, you know,
even wanting something, it could

461
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:14,880
be simple.
If we're wanting something,

462
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:19,000
that's not good.
A definition from Romans 323.

463
00:23:19,360 --> 00:23:20,720
It's falling short of God's
glory.

464
00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:25,840
We don't measure up to to that
great glory in our sin.

465
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:28,840
We we just don't hit the mark.
And he's got one more devil

466
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:30,560
definition by Douglas Bookman.
What?

467
00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:32,760
What a name if you're like a
professor or a counselor or

468
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:34,280
something.
Bookman, Dr. Bookman.

469
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:36,080
So so.
Great, he says.

470
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:39,600
This proclivity to exalt the
self, this kind of what Michael

471
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,960
was saying at the top end is the
essence of sinfulness.

472
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:46,960
That that pride you look at any
sin probably can trace it back

473
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,400
to pride.
Which is crazy that we have a

474
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:54,560
whole month that celebrates
this, this sin pride, which you

475
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:56,800
know, is like, it's the thing
that God hates.

476
00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:58,240
It's it's over and over and
over.

477
00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:01,120
Again, I mean, if I mean, I know
they weren't trying to be like

478
00:24:01,120 --> 00:24:03,640
sneaky or subvertive, but they
should have named it something

479
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,320
else, right 'cause it just plays
into, you know, it's so so.

480
00:24:06,360 --> 00:24:08,280
Right, it double s down.
Yeah.

481
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:10,760
So, so that that's what sin is.
I think we, we kind of know

482
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,560
we're missing the mark.
We're transgressing God's law

483
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:16,680
even in our nature or our
attitudes and our souls.

484
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:21,400
Yeah, he kind.
Of even hit hammers at home more

485
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:23,320
we talked about the reality of
our depravity, but we're

486
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:26,080
depraved in these four different
ways through Yeah 'cause you

487
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:27,080
probably can't read these
blinks.

488
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:30,000
I, I think I got give me the
first one 'cause I can read this

489
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:33,360
one.
Man's deeds are, are sinful and

490
00:24:33,360 --> 00:24:36,560
then man's meditations are
sinful.

491
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:41,640
Man's motivations are sinful,
and by our own nature, wow,

492
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,520
we're sinful.
We're offensive to God and what

493
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:48,400
we do, what we think, how we're
motivated.

494
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,840
So even if I'm doing something
right, I could be doing it for

495
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,600
the wrong reason and just by our
nature.

496
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,280
That's pretty amazing by what
you are.

497
00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:01,480
In a way it's offensive because
that that you have that sin

498
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:06,960
nature, children of wrath kind
of coming through and even if

499
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:10,680
you, you know, self correct your
your disposition, you think

500
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:11,920
about something.
You can be like, Oh, I don't

501
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,440
want to think about that, but
you've sinned and thinking about

502
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,840
that, even if it's, you know, on
a on a smaller scale.

503
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:21,920
So that I think that really puts
it into into terms that it's

504
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:25,320
just hard, hard to get away from
how depraved we are.

505
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,960
Briefly, this is where I think
we kind of ran out of time in

506
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:33,440
the Sunday school hour talks
about that it's to such a degree

507
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:34,480
that it affects the whole
person.

508
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:36,880
He's really hammering home where
where he started.

509
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:40,160
And on top of that, if this were
not enough, that there's this

510
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:45,080
spiral you see when when people
start to fall into sin, it

511
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,880
doesn't just stop there, but it
it grow, it can snowball.

512
00:25:48,120 --> 00:25:51,080
Yeah, I think if you read Romans
one, the end of it, that's what

513
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,600
God gives them over.
God gives them over and it ends

514
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:57,680
up where even though they know
and maybe they do not like it's

515
00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:00,240
hard to know what Paul and the
Holy Spirit mean by that.

516
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,440
But at some level I think people
know that there is a God, even

517
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,120
though they're denying it and
they know that what they're

518
00:26:06,120 --> 00:26:07,960
doing is sinful and it leads to
death.

519
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:11,080
But even though they know that
they do it and they give hearty

520
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:14,000
approval to those who do.
And that's the the spiral.

521
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:17,160
So self exalting desires are
believed.

522
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,720
So the people believe it's
better to be better to have

523
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:25,160
these gods as idols and are born
as conscious as as Nord.

524
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:30,080
So we put up these idols that we
say, oh, this is better than

525
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:33,880
God, and then we just kind of we
harden and burn away our

526
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,040
conscious because we think this
is better.

527
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,920
No, that that's that's so good
When you think practically to

528
00:26:39,120 --> 00:26:42,560
any sin you do, it's like you
can boil it down to that you

529
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:44,600
thought this was better than
God.

530
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:46,760
I find myself like saying that
to to my children.

531
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,360
I'm like, man, I, I, it's like
good to say this to myself when

532
00:26:49,360 --> 00:26:50,400
I do something.
It's like I thought getting

533
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,480
angry in that moment was better
than what God would have me to

534
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:54,800
do.
If you frame it that way, it's

535
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:58,360
very simple to see where you go
wrong.

536
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,760
That spiral kind of continues
with self exulting desires.

537
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:07,120
The sin are invested that you
really put your thoughts into

538
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:08,640
it.
You really meditate on that.

539
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:10,120
You plan knowingly.
What?

540
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:11,600
You plan.
You plan, Yeah.

541
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,280
It's just like in your mind, I'm
going to do this.

542
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,480
You're giving over mentally and
with your behaviors.

543
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,160
You're you're saying this is
something I'm going to spend

544
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:23,600
some time in thinking and doing.
And the the last one is, is your

545
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,880
conscience.
It becomes darker and more

546
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:28,560
callous.
This kind of points back to a

547
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:32,640
what you were saying in Romans
one, but it becomes, you know,

548
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,360
once you we think of a callous,
you got this thick piece that

549
00:27:35,360 --> 00:27:38,960
you do pull ups or Tim mentioned
playing guitar that he never

550
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,240
really played a lot of acoustic
guitar because man, his finger

551
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,520
would hurt.
But if it calloused over, he he

552
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:45,040
could start doing that.
You kind of work your way

553
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,000
through it.
You become numb to some of this

554
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,480
stuff.
Yeah, and there's this guy who's

555
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:55,000
an apologist.
He's a a French guy and his his

556
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,400
it's the French version of
William, which start actually

557
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,440
starts with AG.
It's like Gilliam or something

558
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,760
like that.
But maybe I can find him linked

559
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,000
with it.
But he was a strident atheist,

560
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:11,160
was a player of the ladies often
would try to, you know, he's a

561
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:16,360
volleyball player, got hurt and
was taking some R&R from his

562
00:28:16,360 --> 00:28:21,280
college team and started
pursuing this gal who was a

563
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:22,960
believer.
And she's like, no, I know your

564
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:26,000
type.
And and he's like, no, no, no.

565
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:27,800
And so he she got him to go to
church.

566
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:31,600
And so he starts going to church
and he starts to understand the

567
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:36,800
gospel and had some questions.
The payoff of the story is he

568
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:38,800
asked, you know, why did Jesus
have to die?

569
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:43,280
And the pastor tells him because
of your, your sin.

570
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,280
And it's like, I didn't really
understand that.

571
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,760
And there's like later that
week, like his conscience was

572
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:51,120
reignited.
Wow.

573
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:55,520
And it's like he starts feeling
all of you know how he has

574
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:59,680
misused, abused, you know, dealt
kind of treacherously with all

575
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:03,080
these ladies and, and kind of
just used them as an object.

576
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:06,760
And he was like, you know, my
conscience was seared over, but

577
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:08,520
God gave me the grace to see
that.

578
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,960
And that led him to becoming a a
a follower of Christ.

579
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,400
Well, that that that's, that's a
good reminder that your

580
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,720
conscience is a gift from God.
It's not might not always be

581
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:22,320
right, but it it gives you some
good, good stimulus on to what

582
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:24,120
is right and wrong.
And it you know, it can be

583
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:26,640
callous, it can be seared.
You can really do some damage

584
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,000
and that's why I guess we'll get
to it later in Romans 2.

585
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,520
It's Paul is so goes to great
lengths to be like, you know,

586
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:34,320
don't don't do these things
against your conscience.

587
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,040
Your conscience is good.
Don't sin against it if you're

588
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:42,480
if you're a Jew.
It's something that's OK, but

589
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,200
that your conscience tells you
is wrong is still sin.

590
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:47,520
Bingo.
Yes, that's it.

591
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:49,840
And that's a great example with
with the Jewish law and that

592
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:51,400
kind of thing.
Wherever it's like, man, yeah,

593
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:55,400
you can, you can do some of
these procedural, cultural

594
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,160
things and that that's OK.
You don't have to, you know, go

595
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,240
against your conscience in that,
in that way.

596
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:02,920
So this is pretty negative.
The Debbie Downer of a lesson.

597
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:06,240
It's the truth, though, we need
to hear it 'cause it's only the

598
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,000
bad news that motivates us for
the good news.

599
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:13,720
That's right, that Christ came
to rescue this, sanctify it,

600
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,040
redeem it.
And as we talked in our last

601
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:19,360
podcast, you know if you were
predestined.

602
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,720
That's right, yeah.
Actually, it was if you were for

603
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:23,360
known and then you were
predestined, then you were

604
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,640
called justified and ultimately
glorified out of this miry mess.

605
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:28,800
Man and that and that was Tim's
last point.

606
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:30,000
He didn't get a chance of
development.

607
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,600
But the the last point is the
redemption of our depravity

608
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,680
that, like you said, Michael,
there really ain't any good news

609
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:40,840
unless there's bad news.
And so it's really, really a

610
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:42,680
good, good message to get
across.

611
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,240
And when you understand this
man, you can see life.

612
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:49,520
You can just live practically in
ways that that makes sense and

613
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,560
that will bear bear fruit
through our savior.

614
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:54,920
Great.
Any last closing thoughts on

615
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,600
depravity?
No, I, I think Tim did a really

616
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,720
good job looking forward to
tomorrow morning for us.

617
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:07,480
Joel's going to be talking about
the Holy Spirit and I hear oh,

618
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:12,480
Danny didn't do it.
I didn't do it, but I hear he's

619
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:16,240
going to play the aw Patrick
video.

620
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:17,360
So that'll be good.
You've.

621
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:19,960
Heard rumblings?
Well, there you go.

622
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,720
Love it.
Thanks for hanging in there with

623
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:24,880
us for this Part 2 on
anthropology.

624
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,560
That's our take.
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625
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:30,760
Two.
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