Children of God — A Biblical Theology of Adoption 3 | The Cost of Our Adoption

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What What's your take on in your
family Hallmark movies?

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Where do they stand?
If it's a good one, there's been

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a couple that I've liked, but
generally I cannot stand them.

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They're.
Tough, tough.

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I can't if it's like going on
and on and on like and I'm in

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the room, I might like the last
10 minutes, like OK, what's

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going on and try to sort it out.
But generally I am not a fan.

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And I know that's so
stereotypical, but it's like

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there's no, there's no, there's
nothing there.

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It's.
Just it's the same form, you'll

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have rinse and.
Repeat.

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Yeah, Yeah.
And you know, recently Hallmark

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has gone to same sex couples.
Has it really?

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Yeah, so Candace.
Cameron.

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Cameron started her own network.
Because of that.

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But I think largely because of
that.

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So they kind of do their own
Hallmark.

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Hallmark like movies that don't
have any of that in there.

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Man, that's, that almost
surprises me a little bit 'cause

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I would feel like their target
demo as a rule, but maybe

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everyone kind of likes Hallmark.
Like, it's like, not likes it.

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Yeah, yeah.
Most people I talk to like,

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don't love it, but it's
something to have on during the

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holiday or like, I don't know,
you know?

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I don't know my my wife and
daughters and my grandmother or

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their grandmother, my
mother-in-law.

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They they seem to like it.
Yeah, man, like.

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Oh, this is a good one.
I'm like, Oh my goodness.

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And you're like, let me guess,
like there's a pumpkin patch and

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there's a big I, I don't.
Know a lady comes in from the

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city and she's getting back to
her roots and there's a guy

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there that's a lawyer that she
likes but he never has time for

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her so she like goes to pick
apples in the orchard and she

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meets the apple orchard owner
whose wife died three years ago

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from cancer and he's raising a
little girl like.

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Yeah, it's like it's, it's it's
there's too much of this.

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What's going on?
I'd say this.

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I mentioned Hallmark and my
Sunday school.

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I don't know if you were sitting
in and like, yeah, you were in

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that.
For just a second today because

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I we had Michaela Thrower on the
slide today.

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Her first time her like hanging
out back.

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There, Yeah, yeah.
And but I was like, I'm not sure

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anyone has double checked these
slides to make sure like, 'cause

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I did a little bit Wednesday and
it was a good thing I went and

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checked during your little bit
of interesting in school because

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there was a song that he was
singing wasn't even in there.

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Yeah, Yeah, it's good.
Yeah.

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I just we were able to use the
computer in the other building

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to get proclaimed and then it
syncs with the other.

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Computers did.
Have you ever seen the show

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Practical Jokers?
Impractical.

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Jokers.
Oh, is this what the three guys

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or four guys where they like
tell them scripts to do?

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Yeah, they have this thing where
they'll like make PowerPoint

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presentations for the other
group they have to present.

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They've not seen them.
They've not seen them.

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It's it's hilarious.
I was like, you guys should do

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that for worship some time.
Be like Tim, just wing it.

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Here's what I'm talking like.
Oh, that's good.

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Yeah, don't, don't, don't do
that.

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That that was totally, totally a
joke.

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But in my Sunday school made
this I I it's like a subtle

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thing I've been saying, but when
we think of adoption, you know,

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I it would be a shame to walk
away from the series and think

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of adoption.
It's like a nice warm fuzzy

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thing that would like be missing
the significance.

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So I was like, you know, a
little less Hallmark, a little

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more like I told people this was
this was the phrase or the

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question, how would you describe
adoption in one word or short

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phrase?
I think most people would think

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of compassion, kindness, love,
beauty, these things, these

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these things are true.
I think these things are right

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about adoption.
I would say those though.

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What would you say?
Well, the the mental image, I

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don't know if it's great, but
the when you said that the

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mental image is I have a of
amoeba.

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Like encapsulating something.
And then just bringing it in,

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making it a part of itself.
See that that that's a good

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image.
What I'm trying to what I was

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trying to incorporate a hit this
hard today was a little less

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harm Hallmark Y with those like
little left like soft music,

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nice lighting and this is maybe
a different direction than most

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people would think.
But word I used was adoption is

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warfare like more
confrontational, more gritty.

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I said less Hallmark and more
Saving Private Ryan.

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So also classic movie.
Not everyone's cup of tea.

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But anyway.
So I was thinking I was thinking

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movies Hallmark movie Saving
Private Ryan.

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Do you do you have like a
favorite movie?

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You might get me in trouble a
little bit.

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That's what I'm going for.
You know, different genres.

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I I love the first Matrix.
Now that's not a clean movie.

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No, there's some stuff.
To.

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Be concerned about there, but
just the overall theme.

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I remember watching that in
college and like going wow.

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You're probably it's like the
perfect age for it too.

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I was.
I was like, I'm like 10 years

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younger than you.
It was like the movie that was

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like I wasn't allowed to watch,
but people my class had seen it,

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but it was rated.
But it was like, it was like it

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was really popular, obviously.
Yeah, we went and watched it and

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I had really no idea about it.
And like I left and it was like,

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it's, it like gave me an
adrenaline high that I I

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couldn't like I was driving a
little bit crazy in my college

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room.
It's like, what's up with you?

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I was like, I don't know.
You're like, and that's not if

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you know me, that's not normally
I love for right October.

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I mean, it is just like if I had
to have something on, like if

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I'm like folding clothes or like
I'm grading papers or something

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and I want something on, it's
like hunt for October.

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Is there Kung Fu Panda?
Kunk Hilarious.

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Great.
I like, I like Ace Ventura when

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nature calls.
Not the first one, but when

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nature calls is pretty good,
man.

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Good.
Stuff.

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Yeah, usual suspects.
Yeah, a lot of language in that.

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A lot of language.
And I don't know if we've talked

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about this before, but I'm not
personally sorry listeners, as

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offended by the F bomb as I am.
I was.

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Going to ask you.
He uses like a lot off air.

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Like I said, the mics are on.
I don't like, No, I'm kidding, I

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don't.
Use it.

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I don't use it, but if it's in
especially like save a private

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right, Saving Private Ryan, like
you know, we're told to only say

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what gives grace to those who
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bombed, the F bomb is probably
gives grace to those who are.

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Hearing you know, it would be,
would it be harder to watch it?

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They were like, golly Gee, my
knee it, it smarts.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Those, you know, fiddlestick

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bombs keep falling on us, you
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Yeah.
So hey, and us, they've been

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around a lot of scripture, you
know, where's my, we're, we're

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quoting scriptures, we're
sniping people.

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It's like, you know, it's
basically a Sunday school

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lesson.
Yeah, so I there's, I could go

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on.
I actually the other day made a

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fairly long list of movies that
I want to watch with my

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daughters, like some classics
from the before they were born

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and stuff.
Harry and the Hendersons is on

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there.
Nice, I.

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Could pull it up, but it's it's
a lot.

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Of well, Speaking of that, I
felt like, man, my kids need to

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watch.
Remember the Titans?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Classic sat down.

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Jay Jayden liked it.
You tried to quiz him on it did

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not.
Seem like it, you know, left

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side and he was.
Like he was like, yeah.

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And and really this is maybe we
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here.
He really started zoning out

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during the part when Sunshine
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And he was like, mom, and I
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watching this.
This is like not.

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And he, his conscience was
really pricked.

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And I was like, you're gonna sit
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what.
No, I'm just kidding.

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But but he was like, really
like, I don't think this is

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right.
And I was like, well, it's not

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like they're gore, but I was
like, hey, you know this, you

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know, we'll, we'll talk about
this later.

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But that I think really colored
a lot of the movie for him

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'cause we've, we've talked about
this kind of stuff and, and he's

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very, in a good way, very
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Where if it was Jackson, just
like he's like, oh, this is so

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funny or you know, like, even if
it's not over, is that like even

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if he doesn't understand the
full thing, like he's just like

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not a sensitive I.
Think there's things like that,

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that that movie came out before,
like that was mainstream and

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accepted.
So that's a funny prank in the

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locker.
Room it's like, yeah, it's not

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glorifying that.
It's like like yeah, yeah,

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right.
It's like funny prank slash.

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Almost like he wouldn't be,
Yeah.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So.

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And I I think he's not in the
movie and he's not and.

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He's not.
Yeah.

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Yeah, it's.
Like he's just messing.

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Around.
Yeah, he's just messing around.

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Yeah, exactly right.
So a lot of great.

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A lot of great.
Coach there did.

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Did Jay never get over that or
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Yeah, yeah, I, I, I think so.
But I think that's not gonna

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make it.
Not his favorite, not his

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favorite movie.
One thing, one bone watching it

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again, what bone I have to pick
with the movie, man.

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It's like in a pivotal part,
it's where Coach Yost to sit.

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The assistant coach, the white
coach, the white coach.

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Yeah, that, that probably.
Makes it easier.

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Talking about yeah, he's like,
he makes his quote.

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It's like very inspirational
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He's like, guys, we're going to
blitz them all night.

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He's like tonight they're gonna
remember.

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He's like they remember the
night he he said like they're

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gonna remember the night that
they played the Titans or

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something.
And I was like, oh, I felt like

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he was gonna say they're gonna
remember the Titans, but it's

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like, it's not even the movie
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It's like so pivotal.
And it's like, yeah, they

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remember the night.
They don't.

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It's like this whole different
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I was like, I feel like it
should be the same.

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Yeah, yeah.
It was rubbing meal.

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It was a really good good
speech, but in.

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My mind, I say that's more like
a if you had a Jonathan White

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here, he might say if you say
the name of the movie in the

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movie, that's like two tries.
Two on the nose.

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Yeah, maybe that's what it was,
but I was like, I just feel like

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it was at the opportune moment.
Also, I need to Fact Check this.

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I'm pretty sure like Coach Boone
Denzel in the movie was like he

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said some like crazy number of
people died at Gettysburg.

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That didn't happen.
Like I, I think he was like.

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A lot of people died at
Gettysburg.

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Like 10 million.
He maybe not.

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That high, but he.
Said I'm exaggerating, I'm I

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need to Fact Check this.
He said something like crazy

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bro.
I was like, did we was there

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even this many people?
I was like how would this?

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But I was like, how would it
make him past the cutting floor?

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Should I like I'll say like
certain politicians during

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Covad, like how many people are
dying from cover?

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Like that's like 3/4 of the
population of America and that

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that's not the case.
I.

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I will say I could be wrong.
I could, it just might have been

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in my mind, but it was great.
You know, classic movie.

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You love that movie.
So trying to do that with the

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with the fam, but yeah.
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Yeah.
So you're going to look that up.

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I'll, I'll look it up in the in
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can get a number on this.
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There was something else that
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can't, I can't remember that
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carried away with all that we're
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Here we go and remember the
Titans.

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So maybe it wasn't that bad, but
Coach Boone said that over

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50,000 men died at Gettysburg.
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was around 9800 according to
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So it was like not that off.
It was off by a factor of. 5.

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Yeah, So, yeah, exactly.
Which is, you know, I mean,

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numbers were a lot smaller than
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remember I was like, this seems
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just, I felt like countries were
small, like things were smaller,

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you know.
But you know, we lost the most

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American soldiers in Civil War.
Yeah, we did use a lot of.

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Civil War, because we're
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sides and we were doing that,
you know, line, let's line up

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and fire at each other.
Warfare type stuff.

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Maneuver warfare.
I know this too.

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Do you know the bloodiest battle
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point?
I wonder if there was one more.

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It was big in Tennessee, where I
where I was from.

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Oh, we run.
I was battle Shiloh.

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Shiloh.
This was big.

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We were always like for school.
We were like always go.

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We would always go to these
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Like we would drive here for
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So 25,000 died at the battle.
Shiloh.

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There you go.
Well, some Civil War history,

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maybe.
You weren't, you know.

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Maybe is history your your
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I've really liked history.
I much preferred English and

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history to math and science and
then I end up going into a

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science field but it was not not
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What was Leanne Math and Science
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That's that's why you're not a a
fantasy guy.

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That it's the math and science
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fantasy nerds.
Yeah, there was in college, a

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lot like science.
Yeah, I hung out with some

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science people, but not, not my
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Yeah, not my go to group, but
great adoption.

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Adoption Chapter.
Three, which we'll try to.

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We didn't go 20 minutes about
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So this is good.

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So let's do it.
Let's go ahead and take it to

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the next level.
From the hearts of the Low

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Country in South Carolina.
It's the Take Two podcast where

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we take theology to the next
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All right, week #3 this is a 5
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out kind of short, but I like
that that the the whole thrust

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of the beginning was maybe
reframing adoption from if you

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were thinking warm and fuzzy and
sweet and gentle too warfare.

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And here here here's some things
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Think about that for our
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don't think about adoption as
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Like you snipe in, you can
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you know that's.
Right.

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That's right.
You know, the battle of a Marine

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is that you hit them with
ammunition but also machine gun

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fire up front so that they can't
go far and they can't come

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towards you.
Like they get caught in that.

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Yeah.
Yeah.

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OK, that's smart.
Is that what kind of adoption

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is?
Very similar.

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Well, I'll put it this way.
Let's talk.

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We'll talk about them one at a
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Horizontal adoption, the
adoption we experience in our

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culture.
Jade and Jackson have been

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adopted into my family.
Horizontal adoption, I think,

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flies in the face of what our
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I think of our culture, maybe
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culture at large.
Thinks of autonomy.

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I want to do what I want.
Thinks of convenience.

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I want to do what I want and I
want it when I want it.

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Uber Eats, Amazon Prime, all
these things primarily about

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self-interest, and I highlighted
it through this article I read

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in Forbes a few months.
Ago I would say kids in general

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fly in the face of all those
things, but then adopting

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someone else's kid.
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And so I I brought up this
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Have you heard of of DINKS?
Do you know what a DINK is?

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This acronym?
Well, maybe different

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connotations in the Navy.
If you were dink on something,

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you were delinquent.
So you didn't, you were like

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behind on something like hey,
you're dink here.

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Or if you did something wrong,
they would dink you like ohh,

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you did this wrong, you did this
wrong.

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But.
Ohh, that's interesting.

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Yeah, let's hear.
Let's hear the context you got

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for.
It it's on the rise.

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It's a fray.
It's an acronym point in the

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80s, I think I do you know this?
Yeah.

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I've heard it before about.
Remember, it's on the rise,

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Millennials, and even more so in
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Z.
Here's an article from Forbes

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from last year.
Rise of Dinks stands for.

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Dual income, no kids.
Yes I did.

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Yeah yeah, yeah cuz cuz my dink
has AQ in it, not AK.

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Oh, got that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And.
And so these kind of Dinks, Pew

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Research Center has this stat
that from 2018 to 2023, in that

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short period, the number of
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10%.
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think Dinks, it's very
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It's not like, oh, we just
happened this way.

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It's like, hey, we're setting
out on this lifestyle.

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You can imagine reasons why
child care is expensive.

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The stat I read was it's 3 to
400 K per child from zero to 17.

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I have a college roommate, first
DINK in this way.

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I think his wife probably
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he's like, I don't ever want to
have kids.

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I think he had maybe a little
bit of a rough.

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Childhood things kind of just
like.

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I don't want kids.
I don't want, you know.

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Child children cost a lot of
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You got to take Johnny to
appointments and soccer practice

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and do homework and whatever
might limit your ability to

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participate in things like work
and make money.

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Another reason people said were
I just don't, I look at the

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world, it's a terrible world.
Don't want to bring kids into

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this world.
I see there's war.

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I look at the news.
Whatever closely associated with

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that is like a subset.
Like some people are like, I'm

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trying to save the environment.
So less kids mean less strain on

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the environment.
Like that's like they're

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thinking, so some people would
say, hey, I'm trying to be

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unselfish.
So, you know, I don't think.

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And then the most transparent
group, which was a large subset

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was like, I want to travel the
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Like I, I just want to see the
world.

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I want to go on cruises, I want
to eat.

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Yes.
And so there's a lot of reasons

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why a couple might not have a
child pursuing this gratifying

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lifestyle.
Not not a good reason.

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And so that that was kind of my
illustration where horizontal

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adoption stands out in a world
that sees children sometimes as

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an obstacle to personal
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It kind of pushes back and says
that life is precious, building

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a family matters.
Love is costly, but but it's

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worth it.
And I'm willing to give it

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myself for the sake of the
vulnerable, for the sake of

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others, even if it cost me
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That's horizontal adoption.
Vertical adoption stakes are

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even higher.
I think it's a little bit easier

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to see that really it's nothing
less than, you know, a battle

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cry against the powers of
darkness where children of wrath

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were enslaved to sin in some
capacity were under Satan's

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dominion.
And, and so when you think about

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South horizontal adoption, I, I
like putting these little

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phrases in there too.
I was, I just remember how I

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said it.
I was like, it's not

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sentimental.
It's countercultural combat

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because it's so countercultural.
Vertical adoption is along the

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the same lines.
Like it's so pervasive in

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Scripture that when God adopts
you, he's snatching a soul from

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the powers of sin and death,
right?

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So these are things we don't
probably think about these in

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these terms, horizontal
adoption, vertical adoption,

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whatever you're talking about.
What I hear you saying is that

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the incarnation is like getting
a beach head on Omaha Beach.

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Yeah, it's like, exactly.
Like we are making a foothold

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and we're going to, you know,
get victory.

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Beautiful.
It's an invasion into enemy

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territory and the watching
world, when they see you

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participate in either of these,
maybe you're evangelizing,

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you're pushing for vertical
adoption.

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Whether you're participating in
foster care, horizontal

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adoption, the world sees that
and sees where your priorities

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are at, like what matters to
you?

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Things that are costing you
time, energy, resources, but

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you're participating in these
things.

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Just want to keep that on our
mind because it might be like

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slightly different way to look
at things than we we do

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sometimes.
The The application is Saving

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Private Ryan has now become a
Christmas movie for everyone to

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you know.
No, it's so good.

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No, it's good.
And I'm going to talk about this

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next week.
Next week is a really cool day.

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It's like the perfect confluence
of events, but it is a day a lot

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of churches across the world
celebrate, as they call it, pure

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Religion Sunday.
And you know, really a lot of

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the application is that.
Why did it get that day, do you

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know?
That day, well, November is

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adoption month.
Right, but is there a reason?

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Why it's Why?
Why is November not like but

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like January 22nd is second to
human life because Roe V Wade

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and you know, January, is there
something like that with

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November?
You know, it's AI need to look

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at the history.
It's a combination of two

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different days.
One's called Orphan Sunday.

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It used to be called that.
I think that's like falling out

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of favor to call something like
Orphan Sunday.

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And it's like there was a movie
called like Possum.

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Have you heard this?
It's like about this church that

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adopted all these kids.
What's it called it like the

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city was called like Possums.
It was like some hillbilly city

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in like Arkansas or somewhere.
I think it's there is.

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Possum's grape in in Arkansas.
It is, but it's a it's a really

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good movie.
And then?

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There was from bald mom.
There is another day called like

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Stand Sunday and they like
combine them and I think they

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just pick November because it is
like adoption like like a lot of

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the that stuff happens in
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So I think maybe it was just
most on that.

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I don't really know.
But you know, the big driving

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forces, they, they say, OK, we
look to Christ as our example.

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Christ moved like you're saying,
towards discomfort, like not

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away from it.
We see struggle.

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We're like, I don't want to go
there.

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He he got moved into that.
So anyway, the text we looked at

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today is one of your favorite
books.

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Oh man, it is a great book.
So maybe you can give some

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insight here to where I I I
missed but.

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You did miss a lot, but I didn't
want to point it out during.

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I was in here for for most of
this.

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I was like, yeah.
He's really.

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He's really whipping at somebody
dropping the ball.

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Looking at Galatians 4/4 through
7 if you want to read 4 through

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7.
Sure, but when the fullness of

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time had come, God sent forth
his Son, born of a woman, born

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under the law, to redeem those
who are under the law, so that

450
00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:29,040
we might receive adoption as
sons.

451
00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:34,000
And because you are sons, God
has sent the Spirit of his Son

452
00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:38,480
into our hearts, crying, ABBA
Father, so you're no longer a

453
00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:43,400
slave, but a son, and if a son,
then an heir through God.

454
00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:45,200
Great.
I did this long thing.

455
00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:47,800
We don't necessarily have to do
this where I went like the build

456
00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:50,800
up from Galatians 3 into
Galatians 4.

457
00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:54,280
And and I like it because the
end of Galatians 3 has some

458
00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:55,800
bearing.
All of this has some bearing.

459
00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:58,520
It's kind of pushing towards
what you just read.

460
00:20:58,520 --> 00:20:59,840
He's like building this
argument.

461
00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:03,080
I would say maybe Galatians
3/28/29 is kind of like his

462
00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:05,240
first conclusionary statement
and then kind of four, four

463
00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:08,000
through 7.
He's kind of also reinforcing

464
00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:13,120
kind of concluding what he's
been building so we don't have

465
00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:15,400
to go go through all of it
really.

466
00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:18,840
I, I wanted us to hit 313.
Christ redeemed us from the

467
00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:21,160
curse of the law by becoming a
curse for us.

468
00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:24,560
For it's written cursed as
everyone who is hanged on a tree

469
00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:28,480
that the really thrust of this
lesson is that our adoption cost

470
00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:34,280
something at a very high price.
It cost us or cost God the life

471
00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:37,040
of, of Christ that there was
this high cost association.

472
00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:39,840
It's not just like it's free for
us, but it wasn't wasn't free.

473
00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:43,400
Christ became a curse.
There's nothing we contribute to

474
00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:48,960
our salvation.
I think if you slide back, not

475
00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:51,760
that our viewers see this, but
at the end of Galatians 3, he's

476
00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:55,560
talking about these classes.
I don't know if I'm still in any

477
00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:59,600
Thunder, but true and Greek, you
know, there's we're we're in

478
00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:01,760
Christ.
Those distinctions become

479
00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,720
different, not that they are
lost, but there's no

480
00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,240
distinction, slave or free.
Those distinctions go away.

481
00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:10,920
Male, female, those distinctions
go away and we're all heirs.

482
00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:14,120
And that plays into some of the
wording, like if I wasn't in

483
00:22:14,120 --> 00:22:17,200
class or hadn't talked to you
about, I wouldn't know future,

484
00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:18,920
but I think that's good.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

485
00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,680
And I, I love that.
I think this word, I think the

486
00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:23,800
words are so interesting.
Talks about heirs and then

487
00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:27,000
Galatians 4 one through 7.
He uses a lot of this word child

488
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:31,480
slave, sons slave and then back
to an air at the end, kind of

489
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:33,640
like, you know, he's mirroring
everything really well.

490
00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:35,400
There is this.
I didn't mention it.

491
00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,160
I should have.
I just totally forgot because I

492
00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:40,240
need to do more research on it.
I was like, I think this is true

493
00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:43,600
based on what I can see, and I
think it's true based on that

494
00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:49,080
Roman like the 12 tables laws,
whatever they have when it comes

495
00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:52,000
to adoption and slavery, we're
actually very closely connected

496
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:55,200
in the Roman culture from what I
could read, where when it came

497
00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:58,120
to not a grown adult being
adopted, but a child being

498
00:22:58,120 --> 00:23:03,800
adopted, say I you were wanting
to adopt Jordan, what I would

499
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:07,840
have to do is I would sell
Jordan into slavery.

500
00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,320
So that's like connected.
And then I would redeem him from

501
00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:13,760
slavery.
And I if in Roman law, if you

502
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:18,160
sold someone into slavery 3
times like I would, there you

503
00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:20,040
go.
I would have an alarm on my

504
00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:23,360
phone every time I would there's
three times.

505
00:23:23,360 --> 00:23:25,440
There's like a three times law.
I could sell someone to slavery

506
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:28,280
3 times.
And then by doing that, I could

507
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:31,080
not buy them again.
I'd like totally released my I

508
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,160
even if I wanted to.
Rights are gone.

509
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:37,440
So you could sell a child in the
slavery, you could buy that part

510
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:40,720
that child back, sell them in
the slavery, buy that child

511
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:44,240
back, sell that same child in
the slavery, no more buying.

512
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:48,520
Them back too and so in an
adoption that would kind of go

513
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:52,080
through just to symbolize like
it's I'm told I I have no

514
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:53,520
connection.
To this, they would like do this

515
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:58,600
transaction on paper three times
just to say, hey, you're no

516
00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:01,160
longer.
Yeah, exactly.

517
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:05,960
And then the adoptive father
could purchase this as not a

518
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:09,000
slave, but at not but you could
redeem this as a son.

519
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,760
And so don't know if that's
exactly what Paul was thinking,

520
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:15,520
but that would be in the context
like readers would think child

521
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,480
and slave, like these things
would not be totally.

522
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:19,000
Dissociated.
Yeah, that's, that's really

523
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:20,520
interesting.
Because I and you, you go

524
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:24,320
through Galatians so much.
I, I find Galatians like 3 and 4

525
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:26,480
can be a little bit challenging.
It's like, are we talking about

526
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:28,080
the law?
Are we, are we talking about

527
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,240
like bondage to sin?
Is the law good, bad?

528
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,240
Are we just immature?
I get confused a little bit

529
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:36,720
going through it at times, you
know, but anyway, some of this

530
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:38,280
stuff.
And so I didn't want to weave in

531
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:40,920
another like metaphor on top of
some of these like different

532
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:44,720
images and this kind of thing.
But I thought that was part, I

533
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:46,800
didn't didn't really share it
today, but I was like, oh,

534
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,160
that's so interesting that all
of that is connected.

535
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:51,240
And I think you talked about
this today.

536
00:24:51,360 --> 00:24:53,840
I think we may have talked about
it in the very first one on

537
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:57,280
adoption, but it's specifically
adoption that's.

538
00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:58,760
So good.
Yeah, that's on.

539
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:00,000
Purpose.
That's on purpose.

540
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,440
It's a deliberate move.
By Paul.

541
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,040
It's not just because they were
like, sexist.

542
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,720
They're sexist.
It has real meaning to it.

543
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:10,400
Yeah, and like you were saying,
going back to Galatians 3,

544
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,880
there's neither junior or slave
nor free male nor female.

545
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:17,640
If you were adopted to a first
born male heir, which that that

546
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,320
the first born male son is the
one who adopted things.

547
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,720
Daughters did not adopt things.
Typically there were exceptions.

548
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,640
Sorry, you're right, inherit and
even you know, I think like, you

549
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:27,840
know, you give away your
daughter at wedding.

550
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:29,640
Like some of this is like hold
over from some of this kind of

551
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:33,360
thinking, right, Where daughters
were not the ones who inherited

552
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,960
usually was a son, not just a
son, but a first born male heir.

553
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:40,560
And so when Paul is is saying
this, it's really legal

554
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:44,280
shorthand more than gender
exclusivity, where he's actually

555
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,840
elevating not only women, but
everyone to that status.

556
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,840
You could be the poorest woman
in Galatia, be on the same point

557
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:54,280
as the wealthiest man.
You could be a slave on the same

558
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:57,800
as a freeborn says you could be
a non Roman Jew, be on the same

559
00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:02,200
level as a Roman gentile.
And all that's captured in that

560
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:08,640
word, which I'm all most of our
translations do well in ESP 95

561
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:13,720
ESPCSP KDVESPNESP 20 does the
and daughters.

562
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,880
It's all in italics, which I can
at least get that they're saying

563
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,200
this is not the text, but we're
trying to be more inclusive

564
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,880
like, 'cause Paul is talking
about everyone, but he's not the

565
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,320
NLT totally smooths it out and
says children.

566
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:27,080
And you're like, oh, I wish you
didn't.

567
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,600
I see, I see what you're trying
to do, but you're making an

568
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,320
interpretive choice that you
just miss that same thing.

569
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:35,680
I think the other place you see
it sometimes is like, you know,

570
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:39,440
if someone died, if someone fell
asleep versus died, like, oh

571
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:41,400
man, sleeping's such a good
picture because you're going to

572
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,720
wake up.
It's like, but you know, so some

573
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:45,880
of these things like get why you
do it because it is it can be

574
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,520
confusing.
But that sons because in

575
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:52,440
Galatians 4-5 through seven, he
says sons 1234 at least son or

576
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:54,680
sons four times.
It's like he it's not like he

577
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,560
like accidentally said this.
He could have used Technon, He

578
00:26:57,560 --> 00:26:59,320
could have used child.
He does that elsewhere.

579
00:26:59,920 --> 00:27:01,480
So I think that's a really good
point.

580
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:08,400
But yeah, Galatians 4, I don't
know if I've got a whole lot I

581
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:12,560
want to add here, got some
pictures of, you know, Joshy

582
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:16,960
crying, which is, which is
great, but good.

583
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:21,000
So my, my main point, I want to
drive home adoption is warfare.

584
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,760
Our adoption was costly.
So it was planned, it was

585
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:26,080
costly.
Next week we'll look at the

586
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,680
Spirit and these different
benefits, these privileges we

587
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:30,840
have, the fruit adoptions, the
what?

588
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:32,800
The fruits.
The fruits, Yeah, yeah, the

589
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:33,760
fruits.
That's right.

590
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:35,400
That's right with the S.
Get that plural.

591
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:39,080
Really, really strong.
Anything else you want to add

592
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:43,400
about adoption and the cost of
our adoptions?

593
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:47,360
One of those things that's like,
you know, I, I like Paul's line

594
00:27:47,360 --> 00:27:49,600
of argumentation.
He says God sent forth his son

595
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:51,520
to redeem this under the law.
Why?

596
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:53,640
Well, so that we might receive
adoption.

597
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,120
So again, it's kind of like this
goal it's moving towards.

598
00:27:56,120 --> 00:28:00,160
And didn't you, and in this
verse, in her heart's crying out

599
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,400
ABBA Father, didn't you say ABBA
father was found in legal

600
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:04,920
documents?
I need to do more surrounding

601
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:06,600
adoption.
I I need to look more.

602
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:10,520
I know for sure that ABBA, it
was like used in it was commonly

603
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:14,000
used in legal documents.
I'll talk about this next week,

604
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:19,120
but ABBA father, I think can be
a highly misunderstood phrase

605
00:28:19,120 --> 00:28:23,480
where it's it's intimate.
This is right.

606
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:25,400
This is this is a teaser for
next week.

607
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,080
Intimacy is good.
I would say it's probably a

608
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,760
mistake to say it's like Dad,
dad.

609
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:32,400
Yeah, it's not Daddy.
It's not.

610
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:34,800
It might be daddy, it might be
like beloved father.

611
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:36,960
So maybe daddy in like a
reverent way.

612
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:43,280
The way one author put it was
it's less a child giggling in

613
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:47,120
his daddy's face and more a
child screaming out to his

614
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,240
father to save me from this dog
that's attacking me.

615
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,760
It's primal.
It's Jesus in Gethsemane saying

616
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,040
ABBA father.
It's not like dad, dad.

617
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,880
So it's similar, but I think we
miss a shade of it.

618
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:02,960
So it is intimate, but it's more
you see what I'm saying?

619
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,360
So I think it's because I've
always almost erred on the side

620
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:07,080
of it's like goo, goo not, you
know, it's like.

621
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:08,320
Almost that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

622
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:10,480
Yeah, yeah.
And so I think, I think the

623
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,120
trick is some of that's like
underneath some of the

624
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,880
etymology, but maybe it's more
significant than that.

625
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:19,160
So in anyway, something that I
think maybe helps us because the

626
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,480
other thing we see when we see
things like we see the same kind

627
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,720
of language in Romans crying out
this, this word crying.

628
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,600
This is like the word that the
blind like Bartimaeus was like

629
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,120
crying out to Jesus.
So it so it is like this like

630
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,720
Primal Scream and not like I'm
happy things are good.

631
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,520
It's like a desperation.
So maybe we don't pick up

632
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:38,520
sometimes or I never picked up
on that as much.

633
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:40,800
So anyway.
Son of David.

634
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,400
Yeah, they're they're yeah,
yeah, exactly.

635
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:45,800
Yeah, where they were like, hey,
stop, stop talking these things.

636
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,440
So it's like it communicates
more than maybe what I've.

637
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:50,680
But even though I don't think
those people were totally off

638
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,120
base, you know, it's just like a
different, different shade.

639
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:55,680
So that's that's next week.
We will talk about that.

640
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,240
So what I hear you saying is go
regulations again.

641
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:00,640
Go regulations.
Yeah, just knock it out, you

642
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:04,800
know, and you'll really get get
the picture there.

643
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:08,600
But that's all I got two more
weeks on adoption, 2 more weeks

644
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:10,240
knockout.
This, this is great.

645
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,760
So I love it.
That's our take.

646
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:15,480
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647
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,800
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