Cults | Is Christian Science Christian? Mind, Matter, and the Meaning of Salvation

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We're back at it, Zach.
We're.

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Back, back in black.
Back in black That's right,

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we're.
Wearing black if you're watching

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the YouTube feed.
Yeah, so second video, Yeah,

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well, really third 'cause we we
keyed up, we kind of baptism.

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Oh yeah.
It is kind of cult adjacent

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because it is something that can
be, you know, if if, if it is

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viewed as salvific, you might,
you know, you might put that

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into cultist behavior.
But oh, I loved that on our

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last.
One and we welcome the comment,

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especially this this individual
LDS.

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Yeah, LDS confidence in Christ,
I believe.

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Yeah.
OK, which is it's good to hear

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from people that we're talking
about 'cause we, we do aim to

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use like good sources and, and
so it's good to get that kind of

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back and forth to people in that
world.

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Yeah, and so you may find
yourself 'cause this, this

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video, although we're not
talking about yet, is geared at

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Jehovah's Witnesses.
You may not have any idea who we

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are, but because you're
Jehovah's Witness, YouTube knows

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you might be interested in this
video.

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So you may get served this.
So I, I would just say, hey, if

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that is your case here, Sal, if
if we get something factually

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wrong, then yeah, we would love
to, to get to get some

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interaction.
We did use the word cult.

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And another commenter, Henry
Keener, I guess I can say his

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name, his his handle, at least
not guaranteed to be his name,

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but it sounds like a name, you
know, kind of took issue with us

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using the word cult.
And we're using this.

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And I, I said at least upfront
because we might go on to we can

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decide, you know, do we want to
talk about New age?

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We want to talk about, you know,
Buddhism, Hinduism, Those

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wouldn't fit that tight cult
thing, but they would be

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different viewpoints.
And that's what I meant.

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By we're not trying to like for
no reason be pejorative or

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anything, right?
Yeah, that means.

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Right, 'cause we, you know,
'cause we both have graduate

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degrees in Christian theology
and in, in our studies, the

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word, we're just familiar with
the use of the word cult to, to

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mean a system of beliefs that is
different from the mainline.

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And so for, for us, we would
say, you know, systems of

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beliefs that would call
themselves Christian, but they

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have significant differences
from what we might call creedal

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Christianity or classical
Christianity or orthodox

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Christianity.
And so we're and we recognize

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that the word cult is used in
other ways and what we're using

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it in the academic sense, not in
the the we're not using it as a

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slur.
Yeah, yeah.

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Not trying to like just put down
someone, but just factually and

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I think there was some good
discussion on that YouTube feed

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that helped.
I think at the end of the day it

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whether like terminology was
agreed on it.

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It showed there is a difference
was kind of where like it was

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helpful the interaction right I.
Think it's sort of like that

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confidence in Christ, he said.
Yes, we do not claim to be

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credible Christians.
And I'm like, that's all we're

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we're, that's what we're
pointing out.

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We're pointing out that there is
a difference and it's probably

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not fair to say.
I have heard some people say

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Muslims believe in Christ.
You wouldn't call them

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Christian.
And I, I don't think that's fair

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to Mormons because I don't think
Muslims are calling Christ their

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savior.
I, I'm putting my faith in

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Christ for my salvation.
Obviously when a, a Mormon says

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that and when we say that we
mean slightly different things.

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That's what we're trying to
point out.

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But I do think it is a fairpoint
that just because you believe

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Christ existed doesn't mean that
you are falling under the the

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big umbrella of of classical
Christianity.

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I I have to create, create,
recap, check the YouTube

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comments.
That's good today.

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What's on today's agenda?
Today we're going to be talking

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about Jehovah's Witnesses, so
another group that would call

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them self Christian, but they do
have some vastly different ideas

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about who God is and who Jesus
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And so I thought that we could
go through those.

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And I think it's important that
we do discuss these.

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It's not like we're not trying
to hurl rocks.

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That's right.
We don't hate Jehovah's

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Witnesses or Mormons.
We we love them.

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And I was just reflecting on,
you know, I was walking today

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and I was thinking about this
series.

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And there's a lot of stuff in
culture that we debate

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vigorously, sports.
Yeah.

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Oh boy.
We have.

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Yeah, trust me.
Entertainment, you know,

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politics.
Oh, yeah.

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And, and I don't, I don't see
anyone, you know, telling what's

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that Guy Smith, The, the, you
know what I'm talking.

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About I don't, I don't know
Smith Smitty, I don't.

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Know the kind of controversial
sports anchor?

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Oh, Stephen A.
Stephen A Smith.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No one tells him like, hey, why

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are you?
Why are you, you know, why are

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you calling this person out?
Maybe they.

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Do and he's made a living off
over the last like 20 years.

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And so he's going to draw
distinctions between teams and

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players that he finds relevant.
And that's what we're trying to

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do.
We're trying to draw

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distinctions between different
belief systems.

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And it, if you think that this
is all made-up, which you might

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be, you might think that
religion's all made-up, then it

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doesn't make a difference, you
know, and, and I could see, but

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it's not like we're trying to
say Jehovah's Witnesses are not

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in our club.
And, and, and we're saying there

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are real differences here.
We're just trying to, to delete

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the, to this, not delete those
differences to discuss those.

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That's the, the word I'm looking
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All right.
So with that, I think we are

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ready to take it to the next
level.

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Let's fire up that twangy music.
From the hearts of the Low

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Country in South Carolina.
It's the Take Two podcast, but

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we take theology to the next
level.

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So we kind of already talked
about this framing the question.

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We're not talking about whether
Jehovah's Witnesses are good or

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bad.
As people, we're trying to say

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that we have differences in what
we believe, and obviously we

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disagree with them 'cause if we
didn't disagree with them, we

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would be Jehovah's Witnesses,
right?

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And, and, and we're not, so
we're looking historically,

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we're looking theologically,
we're not looking like, are they

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a good?
Are they like, like have dinner

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with them?
Are they sincere?

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Do they really believe what they
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We what they believe.
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And So what we're looking at is
the words that we use just like

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we did with the LDS and Mormons.
Are they using the words the

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same way?
And, you know, and for

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Christianity, when we say a
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whether I know Roman Catholics
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denomination, but whether we're
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or, you know, you're Baptist or
you, you know, there is a, a

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mere Christianity that we mostly
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Now.
We might have some episodes on

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Catholicism in the future to
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distinguishing lines there.
So if a group denies those core

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doctrines of Christianity and
then we would say and those

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doctrines are like incompatible
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then we would just say, hey,
separate religion.

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You may still we're not saying
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allegiance to the Christ figure,
but it's not it's a.

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It's a different thing and like
our last episode, probably get

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some of the same things that
really revolved a lot around the

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Trinity along the the person and
work of Christ.

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That's almost all, almost all
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That's like where a lot of it
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know, with the Trinity like
that, there's that's where a lot

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of the battlefield is fought
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Right.
Because if we're arguing about

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Calvinism or Armenianism, we
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to the level that you're not a
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But when you start talking about
the very nature of who God is,

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who Christ is or what's required
for salvation, those are the big

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enough, you know, big enough,
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that we would say, all right,
that's different enough that

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you're in a different system,
You're in a different religion,

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even though you may say you are
Christian, It's it's different.

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Yeah.
You just heard that magical harp

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and thanks for Zach for stopping
me because I sure would have

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just recorded that's I guess
that's how tired I am.

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We should of would have recorded
Jehovah's Witness twice.

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You know, second time's the
charm.

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Second time.
It's a charm.

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So maybe maybe you're a member
of the Christian Science I, I

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think.
What are the numbers?

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I don't hear it very often.
I don't either, so maybe this is

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a dying religion, I don't know
what.

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If you had a guess how many are
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community, what would you guess?
In America or around the globe?

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Oh, both.
I don't know.

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I don't.
Know, OK, so America I would say

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at least in the millions, I'd
say 3 million in America.

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OK, All right, let's see how.
Let's see what what chat tells

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us it does.
Christian Science does not

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publish official global
membership stats, so figures or

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estimates.
In the United States, common

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estimates range from 50,000 to
100,000 out of here.

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Wow 50 to 100,000.
This is saying worldwide 200,000

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across 60 to 80 countries.
It's declined from its early

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20th century peak when it had
several 100,000 members in the

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US alone.
So there you go.

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So maybe you didn't even know
Christian.

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I mean, I feel like maybe this
is, it's like you don't want to

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give them the advertisement
that, that, that it's still

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around.
You know what I'm saying?

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Well, if you are a member of the
Christian Church, what is it?

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The Church of Christian Science,
the church Christian Science

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Church.
If you're a member of that and

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you're getting served this
video, then yeah, we'd like to

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hear from you.
I, I don't, I don't see any, you

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know.
Don't come across them.

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So the church's central
organization, according to CHAT,

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is the First Church of Christ,
Comma Scientist, often called

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the Mother Church, so it's based
in Boston.

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Oh, Boston.
Go figure.

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Well, I mean, not everything out
of Boston can be good, you know

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what I'm saying?
There's got to be some duds, you

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know?
What I'm excited to, you know,

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talk about.
Christian Science, Christian

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Science, not Jehovah's Witness.
All right.

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So for Christian Science,
obviously it's all the same

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stuff that we talked about with
Jehovah's Witness.

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It's, you know, looking at those
core doctrines.

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And so if, you know, there's not
as much published by the

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Christian Science.
So I did go to their official

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website to pull some of this
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What a name.
Like for some reason, like like

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you pulled that name out of fit
nothing, but it's like one of

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those names like sticks with
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It's the three name.
Well, OK, so yeah, maybe, I

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don't know, maybe we we should
maybe say that for Banner, but

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OK, great.
All right.

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So founded Church of Christ
Scientist 1879 authored Science

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and Health with Key to the
Scriptures 1875 claimed this is

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all Mary Baker Eddie claimed
spiritual discovery following

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recovery from an injury in 1866
ordained the Bible and science

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and health together, which was
another book as the church's

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pastor.
So the Bible and science and

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health together as the the
pastor of the church that that

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so context.
It emerged from 19th century

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American metaphysical mind cure
movement influenced by Phineas

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Quimby.
You know that great that great

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guy.
Mental healing.

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Yeah.
Idealist philosophy,

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transcendentalism, positioned as
a restoration of primitive

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Christianity and its lost
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So not to, you know, some of a
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of three so far our, you know,
the claim is, hey, we're, we're

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bringing Christianity back to
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It's kind of lost.
That's right.

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Restoring.
Yeah, we're.

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Restoring it, yeah.
There we go.

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Well, let's talk about the way
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with Protestantism, what I like
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I know.
Where you're going?

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It is just, it's it's the word
of God.

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Yeah.
It's Scripture, yeah.

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It's great.
You don't want to say the, you

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don't want to say the solo
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Oh, there we go.
Yeah, there we go.

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Now that means.
You won't read any other books,

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you'll only read the Bible,
right?

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As a Protestant close.
No other book can give you

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insight.
That's good clarification.

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Other books can, but the final
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day, if there's contradiction,
you gotta lean, you gotta go

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with the Bible here.
And I think this is a common

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theme.
We've got multiple texts that

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are authority in this case 2 two
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look at Christian Science
teaching they they will say in

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science and health.
The Bible has been my only

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authority.
However, the Bible is read

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through science and health.
It really helps provide the key

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to scripture almost like unlocks
the scriptures get more insight

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and like you mentioned in 18 in
the 1800s, or she ordained the

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Bible, science and health as the
church's permanent pastor, which

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I love the nomenclature here how
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the pastor.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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That is very odd.
But yeah.

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So Science and Health is this
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that that is going to be.
So when you have something that

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says, hey, here's how you really
understand the Bible, which,

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yeah, a commentary kind of does
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Right, this is what this means,
but it's insight but.

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If a commentary was like clearly
saying stuff that wasn't there,

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you'd be like, at least this
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You know, right.
Yeah, yeah, I, I think you're

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totally right.
And then what I'm excited to get

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into is this the, the
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that's, that's your.
Student of Aristotle, you're

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like man just.
Tell me more.

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All right, so their core
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purely spiritual.
And I asked Chad.

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I was like, so this is kind of
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between this and what, what, you
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Hideaism.
Yeah, not exactly.

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The same, but you can see like
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first were getting into it,
surprisingly, the numbers were

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so low because I would feel
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draw towards like Buddhism,
Hinduism, New Agey stuff, you

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know, I feel like in the West,
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So there's central doctrine.
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Matter is not ultimately real.
And I don't even know what that

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means to say matter is not
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Because what does real mean?
If God, if, if, if it can have a

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real impact on me, then I think
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I, I don't know, evil, disease
and death, just an illusion that

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sounds like it's straight out of
Buddhism.

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Yeah.
Yeah, 'cause when you're

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enlightened, you, you realize
that all of this is, is not, not

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real.
Humanity is an idea of the

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divine mind.
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Man, we're getting deep.
This is a quote from Science and

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Health.
All is infinite mind and it's

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infinite manifestation.
Man, yeah.

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So it's hard.
Like if you, you know, carry

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this out by implication,
creation is not material, real.

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Everything we see, it's like
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And ultimately at least
everything that's, you know,

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physical in this universe, it's
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We perceive it, but it's not
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This, you know, countertop, not
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It's like matrix before a
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Yeah, man, ahead of, ahead of
her time.

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So this is radical philosophical
idealism.

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At least the cart would have
said hey I think therefore I am

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right.
Yeah, that's right.

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Yeah, We talked about that
callback.

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All right, so all right, so
let's just get into the doctrine

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of God.
We already talked about God is

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mind, spirit, soul, principle,
life, truth and love.

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That's a quote sounds.
I mean it sounds a little new

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Agey, but but you might be able
to fit that in.

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Yeah, yeah.
Now here's where we're going to

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go.
God is not personal in the

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Orthodox sense.
Yeah, so we're starting to see

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some of this deviation already.
And then also ahead of her time.

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God is often described as
Father.

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Mother Godfather.
Mother God.

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Yeah, it's, you know, I feel
like that would not have

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resonated as much in the 1800s,
but today, again, you know,

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would.
Resonate more?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Trinity.

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Eddie rejected the traditional
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The theory of three persons in
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I guess it's a difficult
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But we it is one what 3 who's?
So no contradiction.

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One being three centers of
personality.

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And, and and that was like a
quote you said three persons and

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one God suggests.
So she it's like in your face

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explicit.
It's not like, oh, we're

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twisting the words like she's
like, no, we're not trinitarian,

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essentially.
Yeah, yeah, they explicitly say

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they're non trinitarian doctrine
of Christ.

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Christian Science distinguishes
between Jesus the man and Christ

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the divine idea or principle.
Don't love that.

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Also, it is confusing if Jesus
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the physical's not real.
It this is going to start

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confusing me, you know?
Right.

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It's like it could be self.
It kind of starts collapsing in

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on itself, you know, That's
good, good observation.

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So Jesus is the way shower.
That's another quote from the

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book The highest human
expression of divine sonship,

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not uniquely God Incarnate.
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We're yeah, we're hitting, we're
hitting a lot of landmines early

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on here.
Christian Science rejects the

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deity of Christ as in the Nicene
terms, the incarnation of God is

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becoming flesh or
substitutionary atonement.

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So here's a quote that kind of,
you know, just, you know, these

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proof texts, but it says the
material blood of Jesus was no

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more efficacious than when it
was flowing in his veins.

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Man Yeah.
Well, let's see how that jives

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with the doctrine of atonement
and sin.

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I can already see where we're
going this.

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So we mentioned a little before,
but sin is not ontologically

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real because it's like this
manifestation or a way you're

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thinking or a bad thought or
something like that.

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Evil's an illusion.
The belief in sin is punished so

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long as the belief lasts.
Mind games.

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I do feel like we need to
address the the first vault

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there.
Sin is not ontologically real in

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a sense.
There's one way that Christian

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philosophers would agree with
that We would say that sin or

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evil doesn't have its own.
It can't exist on its own.

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It has to in here in an act or a
thought or a failure to act.

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So we would say that you can't
point to evil, but you can point

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to an act that is evil.
But I don't think that's what

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she's saying here.
She's saying that acts are not

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there's no, there's no act that
has, you know, a status of being

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really sinful.
It's all an illusion.

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Does that make sense to you That
that that's kind of a lot of

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philosophers We'll.
Say I I I think so.

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Yeah.
All right, not for atonement, no

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penal substitution, which I want
to ask her.

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She's not around.
But like, what?

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What do you do with your guilt?
Because I think if you are

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human, you have guilt.
Even if you don't try to live up

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to this standard.
There's a standard that you try

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to live up to and you still
fail.

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Right.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And so you would think that
there has to be some penalty for

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that, which is where the word
penal comes from.

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And there's no penal
substitution.

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What are you doing with your
guilt?

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Yeah, it's interesting.
It's almost interesting that

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it's called Christian Science.
You know what I mean?

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Like what?
What are we doing?

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There's no satisfaction of
divine justice kind of going

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alongside, no penal
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Like you don't have that.
This isn't so.

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So is this atonement?
This is her definition like she

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would even say or in health and
science like at one meant is

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like a way they would teach it.
Yeah, this is a summary of of,

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you know, their beliefs.
So yeah, that doesn't really

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make sense to me.
But I think the implication from

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there is if sin isn't real, then
there's really no sacrificial.

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Payment for you just need to be
one with God, that unity with

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God that's more important than
sin, which is and evil and death

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and disease that are all just
like mind games.

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As long as you kind of tune up
to God, I think you're you're

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good, which we would say this is
directly conflicted with Romans

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3.
You know where Paul would tell

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us, you know that none seek him,
all have abandoned him.

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Hebrews 9 Second Corinthians 521
You know all these things that

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talk about sin and the price
that it and the penalty, and you

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know what Christ did for it.
Yeah, I would love to read some

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of it, like the commentary along
some of this where it's like

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cause 'cause it's, you know, at
least in Romans 3, Paul is

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really belabor like making us
point Jews, Gentiles and like

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saying all these things.
But let's talk about creation.

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We mentioned it that Christian
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creation of matter by God.
And then if you can imagine the

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goodness of material creation,
because if you know physical

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doesn't exist, it's that's what
I'm that's where my mind's going

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for sure.
So big picture Genesis one, this

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big creation story is really
spiritually true, not like

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physically something that
happened.

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Yeah.
And and to me, it's like people

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invent these categories and it's
like it doesn't, it's

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meaningless.
Like what if we just, we're

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calling this the wrong thing?
This is not physical reality.

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This is spiritual reality.
It's still a reality.

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Yeah, we.
Might.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's just like a rose by any

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other name.
It's still a rose.

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So you just, yeah, it doesn't
make sense to me.

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Genesis Tune Onward treated as
an allegory of mistaken material

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perception.
So all of it is just people

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going through this false
perception that's not really

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real.
Man so if we're looking at

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historic Christianity, hopefully
you're tracking with this real

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creation incarnation affirmed
bodily resurrection a big deal

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that those are really non
negotiables and and so in light

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of that Christian Science denies
these at a metaphysical level.

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So we we see, to me more than
anything else we've talked about

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in the colds, this is like the
most stark, like we're not,

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we're not talking the same
length.

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Yeah, this is very, very
different even from, you know,

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Jehovah's Witness and the Mormon
we talked about.

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All right, doctrine of
resurrection.

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Well, at least there's going to
be resurrection, right?

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Well, resurrection is not
bodily, is awakening to a

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spiritual truth.
That's more and more like

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Buddhism, like Nirvana is, is
waking up.

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And I don't know if she has any
type of reincarnation here, but

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matter has no ultimate
existence, therefore no future

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physical resurrection, no
restored creation, so it's not

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like.
Yeah, that's like the new

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heavens and new earth, man
salvation.

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Let's get to the crux of what we
talked about.

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You know, the atonement, penal
substitution a little bit.

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Christian Science would teach
that man is already spiritually

453
00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:51,040
perfect.
Man is already saved.

454
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:52,800
In essence, like we said,
there's no sin, so there's

455
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,560
nothing, you know, blocking that
chasm.

456
00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:58,640
It's really more of what you
just mentioned, this awakening

457
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,200
to spiritual reality that is
salvation.

458
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:07,880
The quote we have from Miss
Eddie man as God's idea is

459
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:11,240
already saved with an
everlasting salvation.

460
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,680
Compared to what you've heard
many times here, historic

461
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:16,560
Christianity, humanity is
sinful.

462
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:19,760
They're fallen in need of
redemption, in need of

463
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:22,920
forgiveness, needs to be born
again.

464
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:27,720
Salvation is something you don't
possess, something that through

465
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:31,520
the personal work of Jesus
Christ very central.

466
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:32,520
And here it's like you already
got it.

467
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:35,400
You just need to like, realize
it, or, you know, manifest it or

468
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:41,360
whatever the terminology is.
Here's where I think I really

469
00:24:41,360 --> 00:24:42,760
get cynical.
Yeah.

470
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:45,080
Oh yeah.
So we have healing practice.

471
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,560
I'm not cynical about healing.
I mean, everyone wants healing,

472
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:51,400
all right, but if it's all an
illusion, then why would you

473
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:54,920
need healing?
Well, so since Christian Science

474
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:59,200
healing, they reject matter as
real, they deny disease is

475
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:02,640
ultimately real.
OK, so prayer is just kind of

476
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,600
correcting your false beliefs
about what's going on.

477
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:07,000
So so.
You're sick.

478
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:11,840
It's just a false belief.
I have a cold and it's like,

479
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:15,120
hey, we're going to pray and
you're no cold.

480
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:17,320
Right.
You're just changing, you know,

481
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:21,840
you're spiritually changing like
the reality there, but there

482
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:25,880
were practitioners in healing
they were certified they may

483
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,080
charge fees.
I don't know why you need the

484
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:29,120
illusion of money.
It's.

485
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,440
It's not real, but I it's going
to cost you 100 bucks.

486
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:36,480
And they offer prayer based
healing.

487
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:39,160
While members may seek medical
care, traditional emphasis

488
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,760
strongly preferred spiritual
healing alone.

489
00:25:42,120 --> 00:25:46,840
So you're not you're not
precluded from going and getting

490
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:49,480
traditional medicine, but you
should probably just do this

491
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:50,280
spiritual.
Thing.

492
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,880
I'm guessing they would say,
well, by going to that doctor,

493
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,520
it treats your mind better that
you're doing something.

494
00:25:56,520 --> 00:26:00,400
So it you're you're you're
you're tricking yourself into it

495
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,360
and it and it has the same
effect as just praying it if you

496
00:26:03,360 --> 00:26:05,320
really believe it would be my
guess.

497
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:07,280
Yeah, that's that.
That might be that.

498
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:10,200
That tracks at least.
Let's talk about, you know,

499
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,800
their ecclesiology, their their
kind of church stuff.

500
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:16,040
There's no word in clergy.
You know, you might be certified

501
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,960
practitioner, but here, here's
we're not ordaining clergy.

502
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,600
Services consist of reading
solely from the Bible and then

503
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,360
science and health.
There's no sacraments, no

504
00:26:25,360 --> 00:26:28,880
baptism, no Lord's Supper,
Eucharist, any of those things.

505
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,480
Doing a lot of reading from the
from the Bible and the key that

506
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:34,840
unlocks the Bible.
Yeah.

507
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,560
So I guess really you don't have
to have a pastor there.

508
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:39,160
Yeah.
You just have to have a reader,

509
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:40,840
yeah.
You just have to have a reader,

510
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:42,160
yeah.
Man.

511
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:44,160
All right.
Points of contact with

512
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,600
Christianity.
Christianity's Christian Science

513
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,600
does affirm the Bible has
inspired Jesus's central

514
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:51,920
crucifixion and resurrection
language.

515
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,440
I don't know what that means
though, to affirm something you

516
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,840
think is an illusion.
Moral transformation and prayer.

517
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:01,840
However, these terms are
redefined metaphysically, not

518
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:03,200
historically.
So they're all just kind of

519
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,840
looking through those from a
spiritual lens.

520
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:09,400
Well, let's just look at, you
know, the theological places

521
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:14,240
that are just no goes out of it.
Christian Science rejects the

522
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:19,000
Trinity, the incarnation as God
becoming flesh, substitutionary

523
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:24,120
atonement, material physical
creation, a bodily resurrection.

524
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:29,120
It changes the definition of sin
where sin is merely an illusion.

525
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:33,000
And then salvation's also
redefined to where, you know,

526
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,600
really everything's good.
Sin's not separating you.

527
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:39,320
You just need to be awakened to
the reality that that it's all

528
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:40,400
good.
Yeah.

529
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:46,200
And so like we said, this is not
just some minor doctrinal

530
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:50,000
squabbles between Christians.
These are big.

531
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:56,640
They concern God, Christ,
creation, sin, salvation, the

532
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,720
future, you know, resurrection,
how it all is going to end.

533
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:06,040
So I think we could say by any
safe standards of Christianity

534
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:11,160
that this is outside the pale,
outside the fence of what what

535
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:15,160
is.
Christianity is a metaphysical

536
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:19,320
religious system, kind of like
Buddhism or or Gnosticism.

537
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:23,840
They use some Christian terms,
but it's built upon this

538
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:27,880
philosophical idealism
structured around Eddie's

539
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:34,520
revelatory authority.
Man, wow, Christian Science.

540
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:36,280
I I, I don't think we need to
say too much more.

541
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:39,760
It's very different.
What might be worth saying is

542
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,720
you know where does it share
some touch points with Hinduism?

543
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:44,360
Buddhism.
Yeah.

544
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,040
All right, so here are some
touch points.

545
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:50,640
Ultimate reality for Christian
Science.

546
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:54,240
God is infinite mind only.
Spiritual reality is real.

547
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:58,280
Matter and evil are illusions
for I guess.

548
00:28:58,600 --> 00:28:59,680
Do you know how to pronounce
this?

549
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,440
I think it's, I've heard it
pronounced and I would recognize

550
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,360
it, but I'm going to, I'm going
to mess it up here, so just bear

551
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:11,320
with me.
But it's Advaita, avaita,

552
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,880
Avaita.
Hinduism, their ultimate reality

553
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,760
is Brahman.
So absolute consciousness in

554
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:22,840
material world is an illusion.
So that's shared Buddhism, at

555
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:26,320
least of the Mahayana strands.
There's no creator God.

556
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:31,080
Ultimate reality is non dual
awareness or emptiness.

557
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,320
That's the Enlightenment and
material permanence is an

558
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:38,440
illusion.
So some of the contrast historic

559
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:42,040
Christianity kind of repeated
some of this real creation, real

560
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,360
incarnation, real bodily
resurrection.

561
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:46,240
So it's kind of hitting those
beats again.

562
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:51,400
Sin and suffering for Christian
Science sin and suffer disease

563
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,960
or mistaken beliefs for Hinduism
Buddhism suffering arises from

564
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:58,120
ignorance and obviously
Christian Do you think those

565
00:29:58,120 --> 00:29:59,400
things are real we're going to
fall in.

566
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,920
The world.
Yeah, salvation, freedom,

567
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:04,840
liberation.
For Christian Science, salvation

568
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:08,360
is wakening spiritual truth.
For Hinduism, liberation is

569
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,480
realizing a realization of unity
with ultimate reality.

570
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,880
Buddhism is Nirvana.
It's released from the illusion.

571
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:16,840
So you see a lot of similarities
there.

572
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,040
Obviously.
For us, salvation is found in a

573
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:25,520
person, the God Man, who is the
interceder between God and man,

574
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:31,040
who is our great High Priest who
died for us and now stands ever

575
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:34,480
at the Father's right hand,
interceding for us, clothes us

576
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:39,240
in His righteousness, and took
on our sin for us.

577
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,600
And that that's good.
So we think of Christian Science

578
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,880
uses like these other cults
we're talking about.

579
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:48,440
They use Christian vocabulary.
But even you drill down to the

580
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,480
philosophy and it's, it's like
some of these, you know,

581
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:55,480
Hinduism, Buddhism and, and the
fact that it denies matter and

582
00:30:55,480 --> 00:31:00,000
treats evil essentially as an
illusion, very much different

583
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,520
than historical Christianity.
It's like, I like this series

584
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:04,440
that it's just like pretty
simple.

585
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,040
It's, you know, just like,
here's one thing, here's the

586
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:08,960
other.
And, you know, we went down the

587
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:10,920
line through a ton of different
things.

588
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,360
Very, very different.
All right.

589
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:17,640
Anything else to add on to Mary
Baker, Eddie's Christian?

590
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:18,640
Science.
Nothing else.

591
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:24,800
What are we looking at next?
Let's see, I think next is I

592
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:28,720
have it 7th Day Adventism film.
I like it.

593
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:35,080
My friend went to a 7th day
Advent PT school and while they

594
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,160
don't like push their beliefs
hard on you, like the school

595
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:41,240
operates within that framework.
So like, you know, coffee's not

596
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:42,920
readily available.
They're all these different

597
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,520
things.
So it's an interesting to to

598
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:46,720
kind of talk about that.
So cool.

599
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,000
Well, that that's all I got.
Last take.

600
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:54,600
Last take, it's cold outside.
You're wearing a sweater, but

601
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:56,920
maybe you should have been
wearing a tank top.

602
00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,200
I don't know, I just.
Ripped these sleeves off right

603
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,280
now man.
The world wasn't ready for that

604
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:06,480
tank top and neither was I
Watching it back man, that's

605
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:06,880
good.
That's.

606
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,480
All good.
SO we, we were putting out some

607
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:16,240
shorts, more shorts on YouTube.
I, I was doing, you know, I did

608
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:20,520
a lot back in the fall and then
I think I started teaching and

609
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:22,360
like my time went away and I was
like trying.

610
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,000
I was like, I kept thinking I
need to get back and edit some

611
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:26,280
more shorts.
I need to get back and edit some

612
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,680
more shorts.
And so then I did like at the

613
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:32,160
beginning of the year, I did
like a month worth of shorts.

614
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,280
And it's kind of the slog
because for this, when I produce

615
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:39,840
it, I can, it's it's long
format, so I can do the editing

616
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,640
and then I can just set it
alright, go render everything

617
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:44,920
and I can walk away and do stuff
where I can work on other stuff.

618
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:46,800
For sure.
It's just like a little bit of

619
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:48,560
editing, a little bit of
rendering, a little bit of

620
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:49,760
editing, a little bit of
rendering.

621
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:52,920
But we found a online service
that does it.

622
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,720
And so I gave it one of our
videos and I, I was just picking

623
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:58,960
it on the like the popularity of
the video.

624
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,680
It was something fairly recent,
like the purpose of the church.

625
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:06,640
And so it just like cuts little
segments out there and like the

626
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:10,680
first one, like 1.7 K or
something like that, 1.6 K.

627
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,840
And then we realized it's just
because Zach was wearing a, a

628
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:14,840
tank top.
Definitely.

629
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,080
The thing that got me was it's
the tank top plus the goatee

630
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:22,040
that's just really flowing in
the wind there, man.

631
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:24,520
It is a look, we'll say that
it's it's a choice.

632
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,280
Oh, man, it's great.
So, you know, let there be a

633
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,320
plug for the take.
It's a Take 2 tank top.

634
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:31,800
Yeah, yeah.
You know, yeah.

635
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:36,520
And if if for some reason, like
you only watch our long format

636
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:38,760
videos, go go watch a few
shorts.

637
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:40,320
If you ever like it's, you know
it.

638
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:42,040
It would.
Help.

639
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,200
There you go.
Yeah, absolutely, man.

640
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:50,960
Next we need a short with the we
had we didn't have Michael on a

641
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:52,680
tank tank top.
We do have a short where Michael

642
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:54,440
in a cowboy hat.
That's true.

643
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,360
Yeah.
I was telling my class so one of

644
00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,480
my students, yeah, got scarlet
fever.

645
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:01,440
Wow.
Do you know what scarlet fever

646
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:03,720
is?
Dang, I when I think of scarlet

647
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:05,960
fever, I think of a little house
on the Prairie.

648
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:07,800
Oh, yeah, yeah.
I think of 'cause she went blind

649
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:08,440
from it, right?
I I.

650
00:34:08,679 --> 00:34:11,480
Think saddle now and.
And that correct me if I'm

651
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:13,920
wrong, I'm pretty sure that was
the disease in the Velveteen

652
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:15,760
Rabbit.
It might maybe sell.

653
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:19,960
Well what my student said was it
is when you have strep throat

654
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,480
and it moves from your your
throat totally, yes.

655
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:24,560
Yes.
And if it a lot of people get it

656
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:26,880
when they don't treat the strep
throat, they're like, hey, I'm

657
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:28,600
just going to get over it.
I think it's a sore throat.

658
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,760
You're exactly right, because
I've had strep throat several

659
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:32,960
times.
I was like, yeah, what's the big

660
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:34,639
deal?
And Chad kept telling me, hey,

661
00:34:34,639 --> 00:34:36,239
it could develop the scarlet
fever.

662
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:38,000
So where does it go when it
happens?

663
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:39,960
Does it go into a different spot
in your body that's.

664
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:41,920
A good question in.
Your lymph node if.

665
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,080
It just spreads or what what the
deal is.

666
00:34:44,639 --> 00:34:47,560
This is a total aside.
You're you don't have to do

667
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:49,159
anything with this.
I'm going to send you it's going

668
00:34:49,639 --> 00:34:53,480
to be a total waste of time.
A video that I made in college

669
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:58,520
that me and my roommates made.
So it's definitely going on the

670
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:00,120
the Take 2.
It's great.

671
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:04,320
It's like so corny, but we did
like a little bit on scarlet

672
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,200
fever in there.
So you're going to like this.

673
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,360
It's very, it's very timely.
It's good.

674
00:35:09,240 --> 00:35:10,600
But I don't know what what the
deal is.

675
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:12,440
Yeah.
So getting back to my student

676
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:17,320
there, there's a reason this is,
but he was like, I, I, he was

677
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,480
there last Wednesday and I could
tell his he's, but there's been

678
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,920
something going around.
And then he's gone Thursday with

679
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:27,000
a, with a parent note, Friday
with a parent note back today,

680
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,920
Monday when we're recording,
he's like, I got scarlet fever,

681
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:34,240
scarlet fever Couchmont.
And he's like, I woke up

682
00:35:34,240 --> 00:35:37,960
Wednesday night, like at one, it
felt like my skin was on fire.

683
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,360
And they took him to the ER,
they ran some tests and he's

684
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,440
like, it's happened before where
he doesn't know he has strep

685
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,720
throat, like something about how
his he doesn't realize he has

686
00:35:47,720 --> 00:35:50,280
it.
And so then it is it developed

687
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:54,880
into scarlet fever and he has
had to take cold showers.

688
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:58,200
He was saying this is not fun
and then it reminded me.

689
00:35:58,200 --> 00:35:59,760
I told him about our cold
plunge.

690
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:03,120
Yeah, we've recorded 2 videos.
Were we trying to get under a

691
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,400
minute under?
Under 3 minutes, so it's a long

692
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:06,320
time.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

693
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,120
So I was told him I was like,
you can go out there and watch

694
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:11,280
him.
Like you'll see me and see a big

695
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,800
massive water displacement as I
like basically toddler squad

696
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:16,440
into this little pool.
That's great.

697
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:20,440
Yeah, man, the cold plunge.
I, I wanna get a sauna so bad.

698
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:22,760
Yeah, sauna's more expensive
than cold plunges.

699
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:24,400
Harder.
Harder to justify.

700
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,960
It's good, you should be able to
like build something.

701
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,720
Just heat up some rocks and put
water on it that might.

702
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:32,320
Do you can?
It's cheaper.

703
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:33,840
Yeah, the build.
Do it, man.

704
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:37,040
That's what I if I go to build
stuff, build it in the garage.

705
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:38,320
I want to get a sauna really
bad.

706
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:40,560
You know, Leanne doesn't think
it's a great use of money.

707
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:44,360
So we're going back and forth.
Hey, just use the HSA money on

708
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:45,760
it, you know what I mean?
It's good for your health.

709
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,080
So.
One day, maybe One day.

710
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,960
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, well, anything else?

711
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,480
I I think that's all I got.
OK, that's all I got.

712
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:58,040
Right, well, that's our take.
Thanks for listening to Take

713
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,280
Two.
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714
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715
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