End Times 101: The Big Picture

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End Times.
End Times.

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Man, people even either love
talking about end times or hate

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talking about the end.
Times.

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There's a fancy word for the
study of end times eschatology,

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man.
You and your big words.

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There you go.
That's what we're looking.

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At put that in the title or no?
Oh.

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Let's do it.
That's great.

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That's great eschatology.
Well, our goal with this series

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to the best is to make
eschatology, make end times

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simple, as simple as you can.
Because to me, there are these

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two camps.
You'll love it.

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You focus on all these details
and it's like hyper, like hyper

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crazy charts and graphs.
And I've been there.

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And the other side of it is
you're just like rolling your

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eyes.
It's like everything, there's

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always a secret code to
everything.

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I don't even care.
I'm a, you know, pan millennial.

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It'll all pan out in the end.
And I've been there too.

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I probably would be more there
than hyper focus because it's

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like you study all this stuff.
You can't wrap your mind around

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everything.
And everyone's got like a

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specific thing like this is
China and this is Russian

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helicopters.
And I know the code to all this

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stuff.
And you're like, I don't know,

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but it is important.
It is important it's in

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scripture.
It's in scripture, so we can't,

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you can't, you don't want to be
apathetic towards it, but you

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don't want to make it more
complicated than it is.

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And I think you want to get,
it's good to know a framework

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and then there are details you
want to fill in.

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And so in this series, we want
to know what we want to look at

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what scripture says and also
what Scripture doesn't say.

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Maybe talk about why
disagreement exists because

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there are different views.
That's what makes it confusing

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and different views within the
views.

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Yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah, that is true.

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Which you would, you would know,
know well, when everyone likes

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to just to levy all of the
insults at dispensational

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dispensationalist, you know,
you're like, well, that's not

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me.
Yeah, yeah.

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Also, a lot of it leads to fear
or confusion, intimidating.

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So let's go ahead.
And today we're going to do an

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overview.
Nice.

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But let's go ahead and take it
to the next level.

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Let's fire up that twangy music.
From the hearts of the Low

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Country in South Carolina.
It's the Take Two podcast where

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we take theology to the next
level.

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Michael, I don't know if you've
ever read, you probably never

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have, but can you just imagine?
Be empathetic.

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Tim Hayes Left Behind series.
Hey, Tim Hay Yeah, dude, that

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when did that come out?
It started coming out in, I was

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saying 96.
That's a good guess.

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I bet it did 'cause I was of the
age where I was reading like the

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little kids version that correct
came out three or four years

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afterwards or something.
They had like all the smaller

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books.
But yeah.

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Funny enough, Chloe's name is
there, she's one of the main

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characters.
She's Chloe and but I didn't

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know.
I was not familiar with the name

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Chloe, so mentally I was
pronouncing it Cholo the.

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Whole time cholo, I should start
calling Chloe.

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Cholo So we were talking about
the books in News Group one time

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and I said something about Chalo
and they looked at me like, you

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mean Chloe?
And I was like, oh, is that how

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you pronounce that name?
So it's just ironic that today.

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That's that is actually.
So I think this is the end of

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the episode.
We're just going to say, read

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the Left Behind series.
That's it.

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You'll know end times.
Why even have this podcast?

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Some people might say that we
today we'll try to give you a

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good over because I think a lot
of people have read the Bible

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and thought I don't know what's
happening here.

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I'm getting confused in
Revelation.

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I'm confused in the you know,
all that discord discourse.

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On the other hand, some
Christians very confident, maybe

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overly confident, others avoid
the topic completely left

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behind, dude, compelling writing
that can give you some that'll

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keep you up at night.
Some anxiety there and others

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just you just don't hear it at
all.

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And I think today a lot of the
temptation is you don't take a

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strong stance.
So it's almost like under talked

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about because it's not the end
all be all, but we want to find

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the balance.
The goal of this series is not

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to make you an expert, but it's
to help ground you, honestly

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make you hopeful, like see the
overarching trajectory of

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scripture to understand what the
Bible says about the end time.

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So we don't want you to be
obsessed and we don't want you

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to be burnt out.
We want to we want to get a good

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scriptural view.
So let's talk about what do What

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do Christians agree on?
Or what should we agree on?

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What are some good things that
bind us together?

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I see you flipping running
through Isaiah.

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Oh, yeah, yeah.
Well, we were talking about

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sorry by the time I found this
passage, which is probably

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should know exactly where it is
as an elder, but I was like, I

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know it's somewhere in Isaiah,
but I know which chapter.

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So it's kind of goes along with
what you were saying.

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Obviously not what you just
introduced, so I apologize for

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backtracking this, but even
passages like Isaiah 2 where it

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starts talking about all of
these, you know, things that are

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going to happen, Oh, I flipped
too far.

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That was Ecclesiastes.
And I was like, this is not what

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I was like.
This looks a little bit

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different.
But like Isaiah 2, where it says

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now, it'll come about in the
last days.

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The mountain of the House of the
Lord will be established as the

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chief of mountains and will be
raised above the hills and all

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the nations will stream upon it.
And he just goes on to talk

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about all of these things.
And I read this and I go, which

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time frame is this?
Is this purportedly the

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millennial, millennial reign?
Is this like symbolic Speaking

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of eternity?
Is this kind of like when Christ

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comes back and it's like.
An element be.

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Cause whatever I could probably.
Make it work, yeah.

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But then I have to tweak what I
understand each one of those

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things to mean if I put it in a
different time frame.

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I think that tension is exactly
the challenge and as we go

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through these different systems
in a spoiler alert, I would

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classify myself as historic pre
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A lot of me kind of wants to be
aw mil, but some passages

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particularly in Isaiah and
Psalms, in the Psalms.

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Point.
It's like, it makes me feel

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like, oh, that that's talking
about something that I can't

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ignore.
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And it's hard.
Like, where do where do you put

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this kind of stuff?
Well, let's get back to what all

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Christians.
Agree.

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Yeah, what we should all believe
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And so we'll talk about some
some texts that you might hear

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in these discussions if you want
to read First Thessalonians 416

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and 17 all.
Right, I'll just apologize up

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front.
This is from the USB.

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For the Lord himself will
descend from heaven with a cry

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of command, with the voice of an
Archangel and the sound of the

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trumpet of God, And the dead in
Christ will rise first.

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Then we who are alive, who are
left, will be caught up together

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with them in the clouds to meet
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And so we will always be with
the Lord.

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Oh, good.
Talks about a lot of good

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things.
I'm going to read a passage,

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summarize another one.
We'll talk about what these

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things express.
John 528 to 29 says don't marvel

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at this, for an hour is coming
when all who are in tombs will

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hear his voice and come out.
Those who have done good to the

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resurrection of life, and those
who have done evil to the

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resurrection of judgement.
And then Revelation, the book

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everyone loves to talk about.
Towards the end of the book,

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chapters 21 and 22, they present
this final glorious picture of

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God's redemption.
There's judgement, and after

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that God creates a new heaven
and a new earth where he dwells

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fully with his people in the New
Jerusalem.

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There's no more death.
There's no mourning, crying,

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pain.
Nothing is broken.

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Everything is made new and the
city shines with God's glory and

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doesn't even need the sun
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Flowing from his throne is the
river of the Water of Life with

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the Tree of Life restoring and
healing the nation's, reversing

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the curse from Eden.
The book closes with this call

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to remain faithful and an
invitation for all to come and

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receive this life freely and
promise that Jesus is coming

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back and it talks about in
Revelation coming back soon.

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So you look at these passages
and we know Jesus will return

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and not just return but
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Resurrection will happen of the
dead, there will be judgment,

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evil will be defeated.
All things will be made new.

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I would say these are non
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When you start departing here,
you get into some wacky, wacky

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things.
Yeah, I think those, those,

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those are good like a locus of
what we should be leaving.

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Obviously I would put something
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covenants in there, but not
employment.

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Yeah, that's.
Right.

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Yeah, that's great.
I love it.

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So if we have agreement on that,
why are there different views?

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And one, one of this is a one of
these reasons is, is a

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hermeneutical principle is that,
you know, we have different type

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of biblical, different types of
biblical literature and

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understanding the meaning, you
read things different ways and

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that can cause confusion.
You look at a passage in Isaiah

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and people will read that
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prophecy.
Is this poetry?

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Is it not?
Is this narrative like that's

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going to go into the calculus?
What?

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If you were writing a book that
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literally 144,000 of something,
and you wanted to communicate to

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your reader that there were
literally 144,000 of something

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in this genre of apocalyptic, is
there a way to do that?

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Is there a way to do that?
I don't know that there's a way

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to do that.
And especially it gets confusing

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when it's like 12 tribes and
like and and 12 apostles and 144

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like if you wanted.
To literally say 1000 years,

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yeah.
How?

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You how would you say that?
So that I think that is a tough

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like when we start diving into
some of those details 'cause

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it's got to.
Mean something, it can't mean

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nothing at the same time it.
Seems weird to me.

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Sorry to cut you off.
It seems weird to me that we

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would have some people would
take a genre to say there's.

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It seems like it would
invalidate the hermeneutic

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principle if there's no way to
literally communicate that.

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I'm not saying all of those
numbers are literal, I'm just

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saying that if you could, even
then we probably have a problem,

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yeah.
No, that that that's a good

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thing to talk about.
And as we get to these systems,

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you know, I think that's a
difference maker between

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something like a pre millennial
system will often appeal to

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revelation 20 and say we talked
about Millennium.

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It's gotta mean something.
We talked to a lot of all mill

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people.
They'll be like, OK, we'll talk

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about Revelation 20, but let's
let's that's like 10th or 12th

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or 15th text down there.
We want to start here.

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And where Primo will be like,
well, this has to mean

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something.
You can't throw it away.

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And so it's like, where do you
prioritize these texts?

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And so you look at apocalyptic
is known for being highly

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symbolic.
It's something unfortunately,

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we're not reading a lot of
apocalyptic literature because

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the the imagery is vivid.
It's sometimes strange with

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these symbols, beast horns,
numbers, it's dramatic.

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There's this cosmic conflict and
you know it it for us, it is

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challenging, but we see this
revelation.

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We see some of this in Daniel on
Are you going to say something?

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I was just going.
To say, well, 'cause you have

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Daniel under prophetic visions,
but there's overlap in these

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genres, these end time genres,
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might say about revelation, you
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because there's there's the 10
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and the leopard, like that's
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are gonna come between Daniel
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Happened.
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have already happened.
We can look back, but if you

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Look back on it.

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It would be very challenging.
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wouldn't be like, oh, I know
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this law or it's hard.
You couldn't know all the

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details anyway.
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don't write that down.
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Daniel had something similar.
I'd have to go back and double

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check that.
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something that Daniel couldn't
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down or something.
No, I, I don't, I don't have it

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up here, but there is a lot of
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said to be confusing or it's
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like that.
That should keep us, keep us

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humble.
And even Matthew 24, a lot of

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prophecy in there where, you
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sense of everything, but Jesus
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like you were mentioning, like
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or both?
It's hard to understand.

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humble, because we read those
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explicit about the end times.
And I think those things we can

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stand firm on.
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got to hold humbly.
If you're going to hold anything

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at all, if you're a pan pan
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anything.
But if you do follow on one of

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these, sorry about that.
If you do follow on one of these

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belief systems, it should be
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because we it's it's hard to
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Yeah, it would.
Be hard to be like, this is like

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your specialty because it'd be
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It'd be hard to like, that's
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'cause you would almost feel
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convictions, like really strong.
So let's walk through just just

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slowly, some of the symbolic
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Revelation 13 talks about a
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You got to ask yourself, is this
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symbolic picture of political
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I mean there, there's probably
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It could.
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A a Comanche helicopter that's.
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Or it could be a.
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that's what I grew up with.
All that saying, well, you know,

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John had no words to describe
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equipment, so he puts it in the
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Where we talked about the 1000
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calendar years or is it a number
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a very long time?
You know, you read, if you look

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at Psalm 5010, you like this
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And I would ask you, in Psalm
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literal or is it symbolic?
Or you mean it's exactly 1000?

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It's probably something that you
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equation if you were trying to
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All right.
Psalm 50, 10 it says, is this

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right?
For every beast of the force is

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mine the cattle on 1000 hills.
Yes, we talk.

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About the cattle on 1000 Hills,
is it like oh, it's exactly 1000

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hills or is it trying to express
something else symbolically, you

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know, you know, so it's like in
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you know, that's poetry
different than apocalyptic, but

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you know what I mean are we
talking what or are we not We

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probably can for sure say it's
not like 5 the.

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Passage where it says 1000 years
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like 1000 years.
That's another one where Harold

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Camping trying to use that to
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because it was all the
mathematical equation.

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Because your answer to something
like that might, if someone says

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definitely exactly 1000, you
probably could get an idea of

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where they stand.
Ecetology standpoint, cosmic

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signs, Matthew 24, the sun
darkened, the stars were

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falling.
Are those literal astronomy

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astronomy events or is that
imagery you read some Josephus,

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It seems like they're saying the
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It's not literally falling.
Or is that a partial fulfillment

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where this will be, it'll be
greater fulfilled and the stars

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will fall.
Or, you know, thinking about

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these kind of things, Isaiah 13
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Lord comes cruel with wrath and
fierce anger to make the land a

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desolation and destroy its
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For the stars of the heavens and
their constellations will not

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give their light.
The sun will be dark at its

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rising.
The moon will not shed its

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light.
This is talking about the fall

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of Babylon, something
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So it kind of uses that that
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What's it look like?
You know, Anyway, yeah.

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I I wouldn't want our listener.
So I assume that you believe

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that there was some type of
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Christ's crucifixion.
Says that, you know, I think at

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the six hour the, the, the, the
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that.
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We don't know what caused that.

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Know what caused it?

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That that is, I think that
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issue is because sometimes we
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go, OK, that's a literal
astronomical event of something.

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It technically could be.
And then like I mentioned

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Josephus when the temple was
destroyed, there are reports of

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stars falling that and you could
imagine in like warfare today

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with, you know, you could you
could imagine stars are falling.

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Maybe not, but it could you
know, it might be really

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happening.
It might be imagery.

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Yeah, Revelation talks about, I
think, the things flying around

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with the tail that could sting.
We have drones these days.

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Drones.
This drone warfare is scary,

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man.
It is crazy.

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So when you read a passage, you
just ask yourself, what kind of

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literature is this?
Does scripture use this

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elsewhere?
Is this meant to be seen as a

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idea or a picture or measured
specifically as a timeline or

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maybe both?
I think the, you know, you look

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at a system like aw mil or post
mil, it's often criticized as

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just being spiritualized.
Like what you're getting at.

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It means nothing.
Like it just means like it's

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very vague versus usually on the
pre mil side, there's more

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literalness and it's like, man,
are you over literally having

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over literal interpretation or
are you just giving meaning to

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something?
So that that is the tension

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because some places you some
things you would be like, OK,

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vine in the branches.
We don't mean a literal vine in

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branch.
So it's like, you know, it's a

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language, it's, you know, right?
Yeah, you you should be trying

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to figure out what the author
meant and how the, you know,

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people he wrote to that were
like close to him in his day and

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age.
What they might understand that

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that's not the end all be all
because there are passages in

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the Old Testament where they
understood it one way.

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And then Christ comes along and
he's like, yeah.

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And here's a second meaning.
Here's a second layer of this

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that you're missing.
So there it is, a difficult

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problem when we have prophecy
that we're trying to understand

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all and to go.
Back to you emphasize this point

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of humility, I think it's
important to say that a lot of

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these views all have been
endorsed by great faithful

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Christians.
They're not disagreeing because

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they don't take the Bible
seriously.

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And no one's saying I don't play
the Bible.

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They're disagreeing because
they're trying to take different

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parts of the Bible seriously at
the same time.

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And there is, you know, tension.
So if we were to look back at

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the old, you alluded to this as
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versus their fulfillments.
Many Old Testament prophecies

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blend, have this near
fulfillment, this far

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fulfillment.
It's like looking at a mountain

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range.
They call it like flattening

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where you only see like this
two-dimensional picture, but you

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get closer and you're like, oh,
that mountain's like 40 miles

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ahead or whatever it is.
And you're like, we're not there

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yet.
There's a.

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Yeah, exactly.
And we look at something like

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Isaiah 9 that is fulfilled in
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But there's part of Isaiah and
I, we sit, you know, we sing

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about this or read this, You
know, it's like we're not

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totally having fulfilled all of
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Yeah.
It wasn't clear that there was

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going to be this distinct period
between what we call the first

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coming of the Messiah, the
second coming of the Messiah,

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the suffering Messiah versus the
ruling Messiah.

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Like even after his death,
resurrection, right at his, his

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ascent, the apostles, like, all
right, restored to the Kingdom

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now.
And they're like, yeah, you

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don't need to know when the time
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Yeah.
And so this concept of the

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already not yet that we've
talked about a lot on this

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podcast is huge for clarity.
Crisis come already.

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The Kingdom is already here, but
not fully.

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Consummated Luke 17 highlights
this.

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The Pharisees asked when, when
the Kingdom of God, when will

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the Kingdom of God come and he
said the Kingdom of God is not

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coming in ways that can be
observed, nor will they say look

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here it is or therefore behold,
the Kingdom of God is in the

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midst of you.
That's crazy Revelation 11 says

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then the 7th Angel blew his
trumpet and there were loud

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voices in heaven saying the
Kingdom of the world has become

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the Kingdom of our Lord and of
his Christ and he shall reign

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forever.
So there's a future element at

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the same time.
We've developed this in the

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past, but every end Times view
is basically trying to answer

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how already is the Kingdom and
how not yet is it.

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Right.
Where does that valley live for

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future stuff?
How close is the stuff that's

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already here?
How far off is the stuff that's

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that hasn't happened yet and in.
One passage we'll talk about a

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lot, because it is the passage
that a lot hinges on is this

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Revelation 20 passage.
Do you just want to read verses

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one through 6?
Because this is like a lot of

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the battleground is fought over
this passage.

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It says, Then I saw an Angel
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in his hand the key to the
bottomless pit and a great

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chain.
And he sees the dragon, the

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ancient serpent, who is the
devil and Satan, and bound him

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for 1000 years, and threw him
into the pit, and shut it, and

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sealed it over him, so that he
might not deceive the nation's

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any longer until the thousand
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After that he must be released
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Then I saw Thrones and seated on
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authority to judge was
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Also, I saw the souls of those
who had been beheaded for the

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testimony, testimony of Jesus
and for the Word of God, and

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those who had not worshipped the
beast or its image and had not

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received its mark on their
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They came to life and reigned
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The rest of the dead did not
come to life until the thousand

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years were ended.
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Blessed and holy is the one who
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over such.
The second death has no power,

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but they will be priest of God
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reign with him for 1000 years.
Thank you.

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Michael only place that
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and so a lot rides on this.
I can compare four or five text,

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so most disagreements, this is
simplifying it, but boil down to

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a paragraph or two, a handful of
verses, you know, where it's

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like how much weight do you get
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And So what what we want to do
with most of the rest of this

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00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:41,640
episode is just give a simple
overview of some of the main

453
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:44,360
views that you'll hear about in
eschatology.

454
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So the first is pre
millennialism.

455
00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:49,560
You want to give us a word
breakdown?

456
00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:52,400
This is probably hard for our
listeners to grasp pre pre.

457
00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:56,040
Before millennial is like a
prefix for 1000.

458
00:22:56,040 --> 00:23:02,480
So it's where Jesus comes back
and establishes a rule on earth.

459
00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:06,400
Before the millennial reign,
before the 1000 years.

460
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,720
That's.
Great, all these you can.

461
00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:12,360
I like their names well enough
where you can kind of as long as

462
00:23:12,360 --> 00:23:16,280
you know that Christ comes in
reference premillennial.

463
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:20,600
That's got a lot of times
premillennialists get a hard

464
00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:22,440
time for having a negative
outlook.

465
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:24,360
Like things are getting worse
and worse and worse until Christ

466
00:23:24,360 --> 00:23:26,680
comes.
That's like typically the the

467
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:28,920
the shtick there where things
are getting worse.

468
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,240
What gets a little confusing.
We'll talk about them later.

469
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:32,800
There's subtypes of
premillennial.

470
00:23:33,120 --> 00:23:34,880
One version is called
dispensational.

471
00:23:35,120 --> 00:23:38,360
One side that's called historic.
And I don't know if that's like

472
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:40,840
a jab, like people call it that
as a jab.

473
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:44,040
Look, wait, what is the historic
view or whatever within

474
00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:46,320
dispensationalism?
There's a bunch of views within

475
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:48,800
historic pre mill.
There's disagreement on things,

476
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:50,840
but those are like the two big
subcategories.

477
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:56,200
The trickiest one probably is
awe millennialism, because what

478
00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:58,400
what?
What's awe typically?

479
00:23:59,360 --> 00:24:03,080
Means not, so it's not an
atheist is or an atheist would

480
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:04,720
be someone who doesn't believe
in God.

481
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:08,560
So it's like cancelling it out.
So an amillennialist or an

482
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:13,560
amillennialism is a belief that
there is no there is no they get

483
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:15,800
mad at.
You when you say there's no,

484
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:18,240
there's no millennial and
they're like, no, no, no.

485
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:20,760
They're saying we're in the
Millennium now.

486
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:24,040
Christ will return after the
Millennium at the judgment.

487
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:25,480
But right now Christ is
reigning.

488
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:27,880
Don't you know Michael?
Christ is in control.

489
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:31,520
And he's no he.
You can just tell the nations

490
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:33,720
are not being deceived right
there you.

491
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:34,760
Go.
That's that's a big part of what

492
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:38,720
you read in Revelation 20.
And then the other side of it.

493
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:40,600
And then Amil can kind of go
both ways.

494
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:46,240
I think typically a lot do also
have a negative outlook like

495
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:47,720
things are getting worse, worse
when Christ returns.

496
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:52,120
But there is I I see it in
writings that they would people

497
00:24:52,120 --> 00:24:55,640
describe themselves as an
optimistic mill, which really

498
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:57,480
aligns closer what I've heard
that term.

499
00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:00,760
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Closer to post millennialism

500
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:05,680
where Christ returns after the
millennial reign and really

501
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,360
we're gonna usher in the
Millennium cause the and that

502
00:25:09,360 --> 00:25:11,720
and this is compelling.
The gospel spreads globally.

503
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:13,960
The world's being transformed by
the gospel.

504
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,800
Christ returns.
So this is the one positive

505
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,840
outlook.
If I have any, you know, the the

506
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:23,120
few post millennial friends that
I have online, it's like when a

507
00:25:23,120 --> 00:25:25,760
new version of like Oreos comes
out, they'll be like post

508
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:27,360
millennials.
Maybe things are getting better.

509
00:25:27,360 --> 00:25:29,240
Have you heard of this?
Or it's like every time they're

510
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,200
like that post mill man, that's
it right there.

511
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:33,400
Yeah.
So looking at those 3 views,

512
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,360
they're all they all agree
Christ is coming.

513
00:25:36,360 --> 00:25:38,640
Back he.
Is going to win.

514
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,400
He's going to reign.
The question is kind of with the

515
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,720
timing and and how he goes about
doing it.

516
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:45,400
Oh, that.
That's good.

517
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:51,360
And so brief recap, brief recap,
pre mill Christ comes back,

518
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,880
millennial reign, then judgement
all mill we're at we're in

519
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:58,040
millennial reign now and Christ
will come back and the judgement

520
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:02,720
post mill gospel victory ushers
and a golden age millenniums

521
00:26:03,360 --> 00:26:06,000
happening in the, you know,
coming up happening then Jesus

522
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:09,560
will come after that.
And so I think, you know, easy

523
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:11,920
enough to get a lay of the land
here.

524
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:15,720
I'd like to it gets very tribal,
but yeah, go ahead.

525
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:17,760
Yeah.
I just wanted to give one

526
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:21,280
distinguisher because so those
are the three big camps.

527
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:27,000
That's right.
If you grew up in my culture

528
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:30,160
those probably weren't even set
a lot because it was just

529
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,720
assumed everyone was pre mill
and so the things you were

530
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:37,080
talking about were pre Trib, mid
Trib, or post.

531
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,880
Trib and.
So those are subsets of a pre

532
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:42,520
meal view.
That's.

533
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,720
Very, very true.
And a lot of a lot of times, not

534
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:49,880
always, I think, you know,
historic pre meals gonna be post

535
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:55,600
Trib dispensational pre mil will
be pre Trib and then mid Trib.

536
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,160
I don't I don't, I'm not I'm not
the expert on which people are

537
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:00,280
mid tribbers or not.
I think that's a little lesser,

538
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,800
but right.
I guess you could put those with

539
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,960
other ones, but just I think,
yeah, generally just the the pre

540
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:10,200
mil the the because if you're on
mil then you have to be Yeah,

541
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,600
yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly right.

542
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,280
Again, want to highlight
faithful Christians?

543
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:17,880
Disagree.
And it's interesting.

544
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:21,680
I like highlighting different
voices who are in different

545
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:23,360
camps that can get tribal.
But I think it's good to know

546
00:27:23,360 --> 00:27:26,200
like, oh, really great
Christians are on one side and

547
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,840
the premillennial dispensational
realm.

548
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:30,400
John MacArthur's like a heavy
hitter.

549
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,960
Charles Ryrie, David Jeremiah,
everyone knows him.

550
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:34,960
Tim Lahey with the left behind
stuff.

551
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:36,080
Greg.
Kokul, Greg.

552
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:39,480
Kokul, Yeah.
Any other dispensational ones

553
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,560
you want to shout out, feel free
to.

554
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:47,720
You have Schofield, big one,
majorly known for like a big one

555
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:49,800
of the first study Bibles.
We moved on historical.

556
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:51,840
You said that he's not
historical.

557
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:55,000
I have him under historical, but
Schofield was dispensational.

558
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,240
Darby and Schofield were.
I was having the wrong spot, OK.

559
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,560
I was like, because I was like,
because he wrote that the

560
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:02,400
Schofield Study Bible, that was
because that was.

561
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,600
Big I even when I grew up, like
people talked about the

562
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,040
Schofield study Bible, you know,
it's like that was a really

563
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:10,400
revolutionary.
I think George Eldon Ladd is

564
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,320
historical pre mill a guy.
I like some of his commentaries.

565
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:17,400
Greg Plomberg, John Piper, Wayne
Grudem, Charles Spurgeon are all

566
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,080
kind of in that historical pre
mill.

567
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:25,360
We would also claim Irenaeus,
Justin Martyr, Papius Tertilian

568
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:27,360
as historic.
That's where it gets the

569
00:28:27,360 --> 00:28:30,120
historical framework.
So you get to claim all those

570
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,040
folks, Yeah.
I have not read there there.

571
00:28:33,120 --> 00:28:35,600
I read a couple quotes that were
interesting that we might share

572
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:37,400
later on the all mill side of
things.

573
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,920
They would claim people like
Augustine, John Calvin, Martin

574
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,960
Luther, RC Sprole, even though
I've heard him float between a

575
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,720
couple different camps.
Vodi Baucom.

576
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,520
We got if you're into like some
of these theology books you have

577
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:53,560
Vos is like known this Dutch
theologian, I think Bavink

578
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:57,200
Berkoff, Michael Horton out of
Westminster.

579
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,080
You know, a lot of, you know,
Presbyterians are going to be on

580
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:04,480
this all mill side, really one
of the more dominant views

581
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,560
coming around the Reformation
time, I would say.

582
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:11,560
And then post millennial, we got
people like Jonathan Edwards.

583
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,640
You got a lot of people coming
to the new World saw like, oh,

584
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:16,880
we're ushering in the golden
age, the gospels going forth.

585
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,480
We're not being persecuted.
We're building up schools and

586
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:23,120
hospitals and yeah, exactly.
So you have like Jonathan

587
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:27,720
Edwards, Charles Hodge, John
Owen, BB Warfield, Kenneth

588
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,320
Gentry, a modern day.
We have Doug Wilson and people

589
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:34,000
like Greg Johnson who would be
people on this post mill side of

590
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,040
things I did.
Add three additional names

591
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:37,600
underneath the dis piece.
Yeah, let's.

592
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,640
Bring up here we got.
Saint Paul, Jesus and Saint John

593
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,480
so I I figured if y'all can
claim Irenaeus and just you get

594
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,960
my that's great.
I love it.

595
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,280
Like the big pictures.
At some point you have to come

596
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,720
to terms with you're probably
disagreeing with someone who

597
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,520
knows the Bible better than you,
someone on that list that's not

598
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,200
in your camp.
You're probably like, man, John

599
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,480
MacArthur don't really, he's
really the gold standard with

600
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:02,120
expositing scripture.
You think of, you know, Jonathan

601
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:03,680
Edward, do you think these
people, you're like, man,

602
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,120
there's people on RC Sprole.
It's like, man, do I really want

603
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:07,800
to go against Vodhi Bakkum and
these people.

604
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:12,080
So just know that I didn't bring
this book, but there I was

605
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:15,440
reading some quotes by Justin
Martyr or about Justin Martyr

606
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:20,080
and it was showing disagreement
at his time where someone was

607
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:25,240
saying Justin Martyr has these
outlandish or fabulous views

608
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:29,720
about this, you know, historic.
It was referencing historic pre

609
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:31,040
meal kind of stuff.
So there's, you know,

610
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:34,760
disagreement goes back a really
long time ago.

611
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:38,360
So they're gonna, you know,
these people disagreements.

612
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,000
We should be able to, you know,
have a little more humility.

613
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:42,360
Well, if.
We can't agree.

614
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:44,160
Why does it even?
Matter.

615
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,040
Yeah.
So let's talk about why does

616
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:53,440
this matter Some applications
hope no matter your view, Jesus

617
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:54,760
wins.
You read Revelation.

618
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:59,040
It is a call to perseverance
because in the end, Christ

619
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,280
conquers and reigns.
If you think.

620
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:05,760
Of how Paul ends Romans 8.
He's like, all these bad things

621
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,120
can happen.
It can't separate you from the

622
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,280
love of Christ.
And like, you read through

623
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:13,520
Revelation and I don't know
exactly what's going on, but it

624
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,480
seems like there's a lot of bad
things, it doesn't seem.

625
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:20,040
Like a walk in the park, right?
And so but through that, and we

626
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:24,560
know that ultimately, you know,
Jesus loves us and we we have

627
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:28,920
that whatever Revelation 20 and
21 mean, we know that ultimately

628
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,080
in the eternity it's going to
work out for our good.

629
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:32,800
So it should give us some hope
we got.

630
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,560
Some hope, and then it should
call us to faithfulness.

631
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:39,520
Matthew 24 All of that discord
says, therefore we want to live

632
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:41,640
as people who are ready says,
therefore stay awake.

633
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,440
For you don't know on what day
your award is coming.

634
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,240
But know this, that if the
master of the house had known in

635
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,800
what part of the night the thief
was coming, he would have stayed

636
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,120
awake and would not have let his
house be broken into.

637
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,720
Therefore you also must be
ready, for the Son of Man is

638
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:56,800
coming at an hour you don't
expect.

639
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,880
Second Peter, Peter writes in
chapter 3, Since all these

640
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:03,040
things are thus to be dissolved,
what sort of people should you

641
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:07,400
you to live lives of holiness
and godliness, waiting for and

642
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,080
hastening the coming of the day
of God, because of which the

643
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,520
heavens will be set on fire and
dissolved and the heavenly

644
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,800
bodies will melt as they burn.
The emphasis on staying awake to

645
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:19,280
live with holiness and godliness
and and the last thing is, is

646
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:22,080
unity.
We shouldn't be totally divided

647
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:23,160
over it.
I think it's OK to have some

648
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,440
playful banter and I think it's
fine to have conviction about

649
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:27,800
what you say.
That's good.

650
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:31,600
But don't you know like you were
saying, live and die by by this

651
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:33,200
different?
From our series on the Colts.

652
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:34,760
Yes, yes, that's good.
That's good.

653
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:35,920
Different levels, that's right,
because.

654
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:37,960
Yeah, we put doctrines on
different levels and we're

655
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:41,440
saying, you know, the things
that we all agree on Jesus

656
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:45,640
coming back, Jesus being the Son
of God, Jesus establishing his

657
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,680
rule and reign and and being
victorious, whatever that means,

658
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:52,680
whether it's there's some
literal physical time that

659
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:56,400
precedes an eternal the eschaton
or not.

660
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,640
We know that those so those
would be we'd put in the Class A

661
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:03,760
totally.
But timing, you know what, what

662
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,040
we just don't know.
So it's not like we're going to

663
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:10,600
we shouldn't be getting all up
in arms, you know, over for

664
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:12,040
disagreements on that kind of
stuff.

665
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,280
Well.
That's the first episode,

666
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,840
hopefully a simple guide to
eschatology, simple guide to the

667
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,240
end times, giving you at least a
lay of the land like who

668
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,640
believes what what the overall
structure is?

669
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,720
And then what are the non
negotiables that all these use?

670
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:29,280
There's some disagreement.
There's major agreement on these

671
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:30,040
select things.
So we'd.

672
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:33,560
Hope that a reader or listener
would come away with knowing pre

673
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:37,320
mill, awe mill, post mill and
then those non negotiables that

674
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:40,560
we kind of talked about I.
Love it, be hopeful, be

675
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,640
faithful, live in unity.
Final take.

676
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:47,600
Let's go, man.
What's what's been going on with

677
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:48,840
you, Michael?
Oh.

678
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,280
I'm very busy, probably too busy
wrapping up the end of the

679
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:53,480
school year.
Yeah.

680
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:58,080
So once that's done, I can kind
of go back to normal stuff.

681
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,920
Got DND coming up this Saturday.
Yeah, Saturday.

682
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,400
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I hope it goes to four in the

683
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,760
morning.
Hope you guys are like cleaning

684
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:10,080
up before celebrating everyone.
Likes to reference that one

685
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:14,520
night, but that was an unusual.
That was an exception and I was

686
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:16,760
not DM ING that night.
I don't want to throw.

687
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:18,159
Yeah, throw.
Them under the bus I don't want.

688
00:34:18,159 --> 00:34:19,760
To throw anyone under the bus,
yeah.

689
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,960
But yeah, that was we were
trying to, we were just trying

690
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:28,159
to get through this one, this
one supposedly one shot, but

691
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,159
man, you're not getting through
that and.

692
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,760
Making it happen.
Speaking of D&D clay throw, I

693
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,760
love the love the goatee this
guy's growing.

694
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:37,880
Oh yeah.
Yeah, just letting.

695
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:38,920
It go.
I asked Sharon about it.

696
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:39,960
Yeah, yeah.
She was.

697
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:44,120
Like, no, she's like, no, no,
man, that's good, though.

698
00:34:44,159 --> 00:34:45,199
That's good.
I think.

699
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:46,400
I think Clay was telling me
this.

700
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:50,480
If I'm, you know, lying on your
name, let me know.

701
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:54,320
But I think he was saying he's
got a now a rhythm, a pattern to

702
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,600
his beard growth where it'll be
like no shave November.

703
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,320
You grow it out to the end of
the year, then maybe you shave.

704
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,800
There's like different rhythms
where he like, trims it up,

705
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:06,280
let's it go so he knows.
On Valentine's, I'm shaving it

706
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:07,000
off.
That's like, yeah, maybe

707
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:08,600
something like.
That yeah, I need to get, we

708
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:12,280
need to get like a guide to
create throwers because he's got

709
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,760
his like bulking cycle, his
cutting, all these got the

710
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:16,800
rhythms to life.
You know which we were talking.

711
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:18,760
It's very important to be
bulking during the holiday

712
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,000
season because you don't want to
like be cutting during

713
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:22,480
Thanksgiving and Christmas.
You're like what?

714
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:24,280
So that's.
Good, that is good, he's

715
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:25,280
thinking.
It through, yeah.

716
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaking of D&D, I've only been
sharing these regularly with,

717
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:32,920
well, with D&D and my my math
class because we're kind of in

718
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:34,800
this weird phase.
We're waiting on a test.

719
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,360
They kind of have all the stuff,
but we kind of went through the

720
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,120
unit fast.
So I'm like giving them a couple

721
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:41,920
days to kind of absorb.
So they've been working through

722
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:43,080
a study guide and I've been
helping them.

723
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,480
But anyways, I've been, you
know, for the four days now, I

724
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:50,680
think I've been producing my own
connections puzzles and I've

725
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:54,000
been sharing them with the guys.
They didn't like some of them.

726
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,720
So what I have done now is, you
know, you would think with, you

727
00:35:57,720 --> 00:36:00,680
know, I get, I get people like
to think I use chat for

728
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:02,680
everything, but I wasn't using
chat for this.

729
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:04,880
But now I've started, I write
them on my own.

730
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:06,880
Yeah.
But then I let chat be my

731
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:07,760
editor.
Like it's great.

732
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:09,720
Do you think that's probably?
The best use of chat, yeah.

733
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,880
Yeah.
And like and it will push back

734
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,600
on some things and like it was
pushing back on one.

735
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:17,160
Do you ever play connections?
No.

736
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:18,520
You know what connection is and
how it works.

737
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:19,640
No, no.
No, no, I'm guessing.

738
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:20,640
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh, OK.

739
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:26,120
So it's a New York Times game,
like, OK, across, you know, but

740
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:31,720
you have 16 different words or
phrases, and there are four

741
00:36:31,720 --> 00:36:35,960
groups of four connections.
So you try to find like, these

742
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,320
four things all connect some
way.

743
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,480
And you like, select them and
you hit enter and it'll say,

744
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,240
yeah, they connect.
And here's the connection

745
00:36:42,240 --> 00:36:43,520
Category 4.
At a time.

746
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:46,320
And if you nail 4, you know you
don't have to enter like all

747
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:47,760
four connections.
Oh, that's kind of you guess.

748
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,840
Your first four and hit enter
and there's it goes from yellow,

749
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,880
green, blue, purple.
So yellow's easiest category

750
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,800
typically supposedly down to
purple being the toughest

751
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:58,680
category question.
Will it tell you if you're one

752
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:00,760
off or you don't know it will?
Tell you if you're one off, well

753
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,320
that's good, but if you're more
than one off, it will just say

754
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:03,840
you're.
Wrong.

755
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,200
OK Oh, that seems fun.
Yeah, I bet you can.

756
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,720
And like the trick is like you
have some words that like could

757
00:37:09,720 --> 00:37:12,480
go either way, like they try to
trip not maybe that'll treasure

758
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:14,440
up yet, but you can maybe you
read that into it and it's.

759
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,200
So weird.
I've been producing these for

760
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:20,680
four days and it's like every
day there are words that are

761
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,760
somewhat related and most of the
time it's not even intentional.

762
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:25,760
Oh, that's so crazy.
So do.

763
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:27,760
People make their own and the
New York Times just picks one or

764
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:29,240
they have someone that does it.
No, New York.

765
00:37:29,240 --> 00:37:31,800
Times says their own and I
looked into There's not even a

766
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:33,080
way to submit.
Oh, that's a bummer.

767
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:35,040
Yeah.
Like, you can submit a crossword

768
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,240
puzzle to the New York Times.
Yeah, but you can't.

769
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,000
There's just a single editor for
connections, from what I can

770
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:41,560
tell.
So I don't know if he.

771
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:43,320
I don't even know if he or she.
Yeah.

772
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,680
Why'd you submit?
It was a he at first I.

773
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:46,640
Said he or she?
Yeah, he.

774
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:48,760
Started with he.
Then why isn't it she or he?

775
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:50,920
I'm just kidding.
I'm just kidding.

776
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:57,520
I could have just said he we're
we haven't seen in the world for

777
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:00,160
hundreds of years.
That was the neither unknown man

778
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:01,480
it's close to.
Getting cancelled, Michael I

779
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:02,160
Yeah.
Just be.

780
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,160
Just be careful.
Great.

781
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:07,120
Well, how about?
For you.

782
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:09,880
Wow.
It's just been just busy just

783
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,360
coaching away.
That's I'm trying to think of

784
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:16,120
anything else that's going on.
Just coaching, you know, trying

785
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:18,360
to play some, play some soccer.
It's been fun.

786
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:22,160
I'm getting a lot more exercise
in getting my steps in.

787
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:24,640
That's fun.
Got a new I I just, I deviated

788
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:26,360
from the Apple Watch.
I'm no longer an Apple Watch

789
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:26,880
guy.
Wow.

790
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:28,280
What do you got there?
Got.

791
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,240
Got what?
What Garmin?

792
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,440
Garmin.
The main driver was I just hate

793
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:37,480
charging my watch so frequently
and like with this one today is.

794
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:39,520
Tough.
So tough.

795
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:41,680
Can't, can't.
Well then it's like it's hard to

796
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:44,440
track my sleep or it doesn't.
I don't track all the things,

797
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,960
you know my watch.
Gets charged in like 30 minutes.

798
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:49,640
Just take it off during dinner.
But.

799
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:51,120
I'm not saying anything.
Then hey.

800
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:52,280
I'm just saying and then put it
back on.

801
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:54,120
This is like we're good for like
12 days.

802
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:55,760
I don't have to.
I just like, I just like not

803
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:59,000
having to worry about it because
it's so, you know, so made the

804
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:02,360
switch, had it for half a week.
So far so good.

805
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:05,480
I don't I I'm like a sucker for
these things where I don't know

806
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,320
how accurate they are, but it's
got like a maybe I've watched

807
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:09,360
this.
I never paid attention, but it's

808
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:10,960
got like a they call it a body
battery.

809
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:15,440
It tells you like how like where
your energy levels are and that

810
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,120
stuff.
And I'm trying to see if it's

811
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,120
like validated, like is this
valid or not, right?

812
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,600
Or does it just start high and
by the time you get to 10:00 at

813
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:23,200
night, it's low?
Like you know what I mean?

814
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,240
Like I'm like is this a?
I'm trying to see if there's any

815
00:39:25,240 --> 00:39:28,680
recent chat.
Yeah, oh man, chat, make some

816
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,360
assumptions.
There's this video that got this

817
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:33,240
guy was like, hey, can you tie
me running a mile?

818
00:39:33,240 --> 00:39:35,080
And he's like, sure, let me know
when you start.

819
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,520
And he's like hey, I'm starting
and then he's and it's like 2

820
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:39,200
seconds like.
OK.

821
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:41,440
I'm done.
And he's like, all right, good

822
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,000
job.
That was around 10 minutes and

823
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,160
30 seconds.
He's like, I no, it was like

824
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:48,120
closer to 2 seconds.
He's like, all right, yeah, I

825
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:50,320
see you're Josh and me.
But it's closer to 10 minutes

826
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,800
and 30 seconds.
Like, that's pretty funny.

827
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:54,880
That's funny, man.
Yeah.

828
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:57,680
So I'm trying to get used to the
new, the new.

829
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,240
I'm just I'm a sucker for the
battery, battery life stuff.

830
00:40:00,240 --> 00:40:03,360
It's not as.
Intuitive as Apple Watch, but I

831
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,800
don't really.
I just like the I just like not

832
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:07,120
charging.
That was like the main driver.

833
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:08,920
Apple Watch should make
something.

834
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:10,120
You don't have to charge as
much, you know.

835
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,440
Just.
Some feedback, some feedback for

836
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:16,080
you, Apple, but that's that's
about it.

837
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:18,720
All right, all right, Well, wrap
it up.

838
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,800
That's our day.
Thanks.

839
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:25,280
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840
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