God Keeps His Promises | Romans 9:6-13

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Michael, Yeah, you're looking,
looking a little tired today,

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dragging a bit.
Woo.

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A little bit and it and it was
my day off.

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I know that you you love it when
there's these random federal

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holidays, but Columbus Day I.
Didn't even know it was Columbus

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Day.
Yeah, I'm just learning now.

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Observed, Observed.
I think it's actually October

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17th, but observed.
Yeah, nice.

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Man, Yeah, yes.
And you were talking off air.

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Like what?
Why?

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Maybe we're a little tired.
Well, I was tired yesterday and

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we were getting Phoebe ready for
bed and it was like 9915, which

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is for me early.
I'm a little bit more of a

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night, night, night.
What's normal bedtime?

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For me, I'm normally falling
asleep right at 121130 or 12:00.

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Man living life on the edge.
You're probably like 10, right?

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Oh yeah, 10:00 man, it's time
for bed.

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So I, I was like, I'm just going
to take like a short, I just

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felt was short little, you know,
maybe 10 minute nap or something

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while Phoebe's like laying here
and Jill is, it's almost like

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she's known me for a little bit.
She's like, well, don't do this.

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Like you're going to fall asleep
for like 2 1/2 three hours.

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I've been there.
Wake up.

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And then not be able to go back
to sleep.

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And I was like, it'll be like a
10 minute nap, 10 minute nap.

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Of course, 2 1/2 hours later,
I'm waking up.

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It's like 1140.
I'm like, I got to put Phoebe in

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bed.
So I put Phoebe in bed.

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I take my contacts out, 'cause I
slept and napped in my contacts,

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brush my teeth.
And I was like, I'm ready to go,

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going to sleep.
Now, yeah, there, there there is

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an art tune up because if if you
can nail that 10 to 20 minute

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nap, is there anything better?
Oh, it is, it is so great.

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I I mean, if it's there in the
middle of the day, I can nail

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that.
Especially if I I set an alarm

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on my watch, it'll just.
The alarm I've I've got to do

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the alarm a lot of times on
Sundays or Saturdays.

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I want that just short nap, but
I'll sometimes make the mistake

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like I'll be like, oh, let me
set a timer for like 40 minutes

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in case it and then it's like,
and then and then I'm just

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snoozing that bad boy.
And then I'm like with you, I'm

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like awake but napping.
More people should nap.

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We should nap more.
I I heard there was some

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correlation between napping and
reduction in heart attacks.

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Like if you take a nap a day,
there's a a reduction in heart

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attack.
And nap a day keeps the doctor

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away, that's what.
You call it, we call it.

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You know, you've heard of
someone pulling an all nighter.

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So in our family, if you go all
day without taking a nap, it's

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an all dayer.
Wow, what a busy day.

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I'm working on an all dayer here
so you got to be a little

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patient with me.
That's, that's pretty amazing.

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I pulled up on Google some
famous people who were into

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napping.
They gave me a lot of good.

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It got a Leonardo da Vinci.
Took 15 minute naps every four

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hours.
That's, I mean, that's great.

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It's good.
No wonder all this art and it's

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just just great inventions, all
this great stuff.

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Albert Einstein, in addition to
sleeping about 10 hours per

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night, which is.
Beautiful.

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That's nice.
He frequently took naps, took

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naps During the day.
He would sometimes take what he

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called lightning naps.
Whoa.

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Well, holding a metal spoon in
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I'll have to look more into
that.

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Don't know why.
I guess some of that, you know,

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static.
I don't know electricity stuff.

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Winston Churchill 2 hour naps
every day that'll get you

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through the World War.
Yeah, well, and he, he, he

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Winston Churchill and I probably
have similar sleep habits 'cause

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he would be up late, roll into
Parliament late.

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I, I, I don't drink or smoke
like he did, but the.

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Yeah, sure.
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Like, I believe that when did
Johnson don't know a lot about

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this, about his presidential,
you know?

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Oh, he was the one that Yeah.
Yeah, he took, he would take a

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30 minute nap every day until
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Yeah, a name most people might
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William Lane Craig has
reportedly he takes a nap every

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day.
So he'll eat lunch and take a

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little nap, and then he does all
of his hard mental work in the

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morning, eats a lunch, takes a
nap, and then does stuff like

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e-mail and stuff that you don't
really have to think about for

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the rest of the day.
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There you go, structured.
So moral of the story, man, when

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if I take a midday nap, man, it
does just energize you.

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I don't do it often, probably
should do it more.

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I've been made fun of when we go
duck hunting, cause duck hunting

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it takes it out of you, 'cause
you, you're getting up early,

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you're going out there, You're,
you're, it's, it's a lot of, for

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someone who does an office job,
it's a lot of physical stuff.

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And then you come in, you eat,
you go back out until it's dark

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and then you go, you got to
clean your gun, you got to get,

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it's like all this stuff to get
ready and then you go to bed.

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So I was always like, I'll be
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Just let me take a 12, you know,
9:50 to 15 minute nap.

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Aunt 12 is that sweet spot for
me, honest.

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And then it's.
Like you could, if you get 12

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minutes versus 15, it's like
about 12 minutes just it's so

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perfect.
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And so they'd make fun of me
because I'd be like, all right,

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I'm ready to go.
Oh.

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Man, and that's why you don't
drink caffeine in the afternoon.

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So you got your nap.
Yeah, you don't have to drink

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caffeine in the afternoon if you
if you take a little nap.

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Wow.
Well, I'm sure we can find a

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seamless a flawless way to tie
napping.

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God wasn't napping on the Jews.
God was not napping.

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They might have thought he was
out, but he ain't napping.

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I like that.
I like that.

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Well, if you're like, how is
they going to connect this?

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Stay tuned as we take it to the
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It's the Take Two podcast where
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level. 26th Sermon. 26th. 2nd
sermon in Romans 9.

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You might have been a little to
sleep by the 1st.

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Not, not because it wasn't
exciting, because it was too.

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It's too easy.
Yeah, yeah.

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We're we're getting into the
meat of Romans 9:00 tonight.

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I think next sermon it's gonna
be, you know, Calvinism central,

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probably 'cause it we're, we're,
we're working up to it.

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Yeah.
But I like how how Paul lays the

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crowd work.
We we labored that point last

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time.
Just this zeal, this passion,

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like he gets it like he cared
about his fellow Jew.

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And the title of this week's
sermon, God keeps his promises.

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Looking at Romans 9 verses 6
through 13.

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Yeah, so we start out with just
a reminder of where we are.

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So we have just gone into it can
put the Jensen chart up again

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for our YouTube followers.
Maybe I'll it's been AI have

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linked it before for our podcast
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So if I can, if I can, if I will
remember well, you know, I'll

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link it so you can look pull it
up and look at it.

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But we've just gone into the
section on God's sovereignty.

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And so that section, Romans 9
through 11, and really a

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question that Paul seeking to
answer in this section, the big

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question is what about the Jews?
We just landed, you know, we

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ended up Romans 8 on this huge
declaration of nothing being

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able to separate us from God's
love and talking about God's

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mercy for us.
And so the natural question

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might be, Paul, this is a Jewish
faith, and yet most Jews are not

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following it.
Like what gives is is God

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abandoned his people?
Yeah, you can you can imagine

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people asking at the Paul all
the time, this this is this is

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going through everyone's head.
And so it's good to keep in mind

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kind of the theme verse of
Chapter 9, really the the

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central verse to this whole
section 9 through 11 as he

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starts to make his arguments, he
says, but it's not as though the

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word of God has failed.
Goes on to say for they are not

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all Israel who are descended
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But his central point is God's
word is true even when it

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doesn't feel like it.
God is at work.

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God is sovereign.
It's going to develop that

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point.
But that's something good just

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to stick in your mind whenever
you hear Romans 9 like that.

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That's what Paul's driving at.
Yeah, that's absolutely right.

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And so if you kind of look at
how this section of nine through

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13 falls out, really get that
summary statement that you just

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read, the first half of verse 6,
it's really Paul's concern.

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He's wanting to answer that
God's promises have not failed.

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And then he's going to answer
that and he's going to kind of

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answer that in principle in the
last half of that verse, kind of

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verse 6B.
And then he's going to give two

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different illustrations, first
with Abraham and then Jacob and

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Esau in verses 7 through 13.
Yeah, I love it when you make a

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point and then you follow,
follow up.

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I think we've seen that a lot
with Paul, that he says things

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over and over.
You're not going to, you know,

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miss what he's saying.
And he'll continue to to go by.

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That's.
I'll go ahead and read this

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passage, Romans 9/6 through 13
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Paul writes.
But it's not as though the word

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of God has failed, for they are
not all Israel who are descended

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from Israel, nor are they all
children because they are

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Abraham's descendants.
But through Isaac your

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descendants will be named.
That is, it's not the children

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of the flesh who are children of
God, but the children of the

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promise are regarded as
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For this is the word of the
promise.

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At this time I will come, and
Sarah shall have a son.

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Not only this, but there was
Rebecca also, which he had

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conceived twins by one man, our
father Isaac, For though the

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twins were not yet born and had
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so that God's purpose according
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because of works, but because of
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It was said to her.
The older will serve the

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younger, just as it is written.
Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated

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all.
Right.

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So that end is a quote from
Malachi chapter 1, and we'll

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talk about that some more.
So Paul's concern verse 6, but

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it's not as though the word of
God has failed and which we've

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already discussed.
And I was making this point

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online and it was being missed.
Like someone was talking about

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witnessing the Jews.
I was like, just remember that

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the Christianity is the Jewish
faith, like it is the true

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Jewish faith.
And like we're not.

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And it was like totally like
we're not all the sins today.

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We're not we're not.
I'm not saying that, but this is

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the the true outworking of
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Judaism.
This is, you know, and it was is

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around and around, but we are in
in some sense you and I though

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gentiles and we'll talk about
this, I think is that Chapter 11

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have been grafted in to this
olive tree that is, you know, is

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the Old Testament promises.
But, you know, even today a lot

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of Jews are rejecting.
It, it's this conflict, you

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know, all this stuff is
happening in the Middle East and

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you know, God's gonna work.
But you look at the Jewish

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people and really, for the most
part, I mean, not living lives

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in accordance with the gospel
really, you know, blasphemy.

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I mean, really the way they live
is, is not gonna, it's kind of

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like this tension.
We know God's gonna work.

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God is sovereign.
But even today we, we see this

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reality.
And so as Paul says this, it's

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not though the word of God has
failed this whole section in a

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way.
We mentioned it last time.

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It's kind of an apologetic or a
theodicy.

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There's this problem of things
that look wrong and he's going

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to vindicate in a way God's
righteousness as he continues to

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to build his argument.
Yeah, and you can take God's

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Word to the bank.
You could build a house on God's

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Word.
That's right.

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I was thinking the same thing.
I love.

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I love that phrase.
Take it to the bank.

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That's right.
I thought that's.

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Right.
That's right.

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And so many of you, probably all
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someone who you know, was reared
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has come to faith later and you
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But for those of us who grew up
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faith, you know, the wise man
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house upon the rock, house upon
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built his house upon the sand.
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What a great song.
Yeah, great song, great

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illustration.
I mean, it's tragic, but we just

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had some couple of hurricanes go
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dirt proven and and houses
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life picture of what, you know,
what happens to our lives if we

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build on the wrong foundations.
Chess came to me idea in the

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moment.
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Do you know classic old school
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songs?
Fantasy draft one time, yeah.

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That would be good that.
Doesn't I just like trying to

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get all those classics out of
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what I don't get is how well,
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talking with Grammy and she was
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She was like, we were singing.
I'm like, I was like, where's

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the origin of some of these
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saying these like it had to
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So there's some good ones there.
I'll have to think on some of

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those.
Did you ever sing this song?

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Remember Me.
But it was like, do Lord, oh, do

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Lord, oh, do you Remember Me?
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really understand what, you
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A way beyond the Blue.
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And I was like, what?
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Maybe that's going to heaven.
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So maybe we need to have it, you
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the theology of some of these
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That honestly, that would that
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it.
But this classic song nails its

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great illustration so so that
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It's not though the word of God
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move toward towards his answer
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He says, for they are not all
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Israel.
Huge statement that right has.

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That would boom.
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you see things playing out, you
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covenant theology,
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Yeah, we're kind of getting into
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waters here.
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And it's good to know, you know,
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about Israel.
It's good to be keeping a tally.

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Like, are we talking about
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ethnic Jewish people and, and
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well, I guess what Pastor Dole
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So he looked at this in a couple
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kind of drive home the points.
Maybe I'll start there in the

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new Living translation, a very
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The translators go with this
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Well then, has God failed to
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truly members of God's people.
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delineate which one is spiritual
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help us see that in that
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No, that's good.
And then the NIV also has this

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note attached to it.
So we're not going to read the

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NIV translation of this first,
but we're going to read the note

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that's translated.
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election of all Israel as a
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Israel there is a separation,
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believing Israel.
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Physical dissent is no guarantee
of a place in God's family and.

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That and I think what you should
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makes makes more sense.
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alluded to this earlier in the
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talking and he says or he's
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For you are not a true Jew just
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parents or because you've gone
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circumcision.
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heart is right with God.
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merely obeying the letter of the
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Rather, it's a change of heart
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from people.
That again, is the new living

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translation really makes it easy
to understand, but pointing

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through it's not your Jewishness
doesn't give you a one way

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ticket.
You know to, to to being in God,

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God's family, that it's, it's
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different substance than just
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as well.
Joel didn't mention this one,

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but John Gospel, John 1st
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introductory freight.
The introductory section ends in

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verse 12.
It says, but as many as received

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him to them, he gave the right
to become children of God, even

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to those who believe in his
name, who were born not of

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blood, nor the will of man, nor
of the flesh, nor the will,

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pardon me, not of blood, nor the
will of the flesh, nor the will

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of man, but of God.
And so again, he's illustrating

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that physical descendants is not
one of the things that gets you

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into the Kingdom or gets you
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And I think that's good for,
yeah, us when we're talking

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about Jews here, but it's also
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I I think there's a lot of
nominal.

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Christians, it's a good analogy
to modern culture, yeah.

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Right, because I think a lot of
people are like, well, my whole

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family's Christian, we've always
gone to church, blah, blah,

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blah, blah.
And like, well, that that's not

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good enough to, to get you into
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You need to be in Christ.
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And your favorite verse kind of
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So a lot, a lot of Romans I
think comes from a lot of people

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say, you know, comes from the
Galatians, comes from First

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Corinthians.
A lot of the same themes kind of

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reappear.
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Galatians speaks.
This is your favorite verse.

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Not my favorite verse because I
mean it.

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I think the end of it, the the
end predicate really sums up the

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it's just a huge just all of the
life of the Christian summed up,

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but it I.
Will, I thought the middle part

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was your favorite, but it's not
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Yeah, so it starts out, 'cause
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circumcision and he says, you
know, for neither circumcision

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or or you have it right there, I
have it right there.

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Why don't you read it?
Oh, but you have it in the.

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ESP.
I know you hate the ESP.

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No, it's I don't hate the ESP.
Oh you hate the ESP?

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Listen to everyone.
It's just not superior.

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Galatians 5-6 in the ESP says
for in Christ Jesus, neither

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circumcision nor uncircumcision
counts for anything, but only

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faith working through love.
Yeah, Faith.

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Working through love that's I
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you to sum up the whole of the
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but it's a faith that's alive.
So it works, but it works not to

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earn anything.
It works because of our love for

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God and others.
I.

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Mean and specifically yeah not
based on that circumcision and

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and if you're a Jewish person
you're like man that's like this

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is it I'm in the covenant.
This is huge.

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And like you, you mentioned most
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They're definitely believing
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But for the most part, you know,
they are depending on some of

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the these works to to get them
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And so that that's verse six
kind of Paul's concern and

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Paul's answer.
He then moves here to say, OK,

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I'm going to I'm going to try to
prove my point.

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Here's a couple examples to
think through in verses 7

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through 13.
He's going to start in verses 7

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through 9 with someone.
He talks.

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He's already talked about a lot,
right?

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Talking about Abraham and Sarah.
Father Abraham, and he's really

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going to say even within Israel,
there is an Israel within

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Israel.
So good trivia time.

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How many sons did Abraham have?
This was, this was a good one.

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This was this was tough, Yeah.
'Cause I remember, I think we

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even said something like like
there was a wife beyond Sarah.

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But obviously Ishmael by Hagar.
Genesis 16, Isaac by Sarah,

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Genesis 21.
And then when Sarah dies, I

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mean, he needs he he's only
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He needs some companionship in
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So he marries Keturah and
fathers six more sons recorded

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recorded through her.
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And, and out of all of these
children, only only one son.

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Was the Son of the prom true in
Hebrews one son was the only

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begotten son.
Really.

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Of all these that we see God's
promises fulfilled through.

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So there's seven physical
descendants of Abraham that

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through whom the promise is not
flowing.

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That that's significant.
And when you think about that

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way, I like that Pastor Jewel
talked about that.

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I like that Paul talked about it
because it it make that that

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totally just help support his
point.

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And then if you were to refer
back to Galatians, Paul would

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say physical Jews, you're
Ishmael, you're the son of

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Hagar.
And, and that would have been

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like a gut punch to them.
But and then the people who are

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believing in Jesus, the, the,
that is the, the new covenant,

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you know, so.
And and if you're like, I don't

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get it, Paul, he's like, I got
one more for you.

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I got another example, Abraham,
Sarah, but how about Isaac and

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Rebecca?
We've got these twins and, and

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this phrase that that also goes
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The older will serve the
younger, which really takes

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takes the ball out of the of of
anything that you could do, even

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if being bored first is
something you did.

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And I wonder, I know that Paul
would, and maybe I'm seeing

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something that's not here 'cause
I don't want to say, I don't

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want to be haughty, 'cause
that's would be Paul's.

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But warning in Romans 11/2
Gentiles.

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Oh yeah, right.
But, you know, the older will

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serve the younger.
It's almost like for at least

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for the season of the Gentiles,
like the older is serving, you

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know, we're the younger.
I don't know, maybe, maybe,

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maybe there's something there,
maybe there's not anything

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there, but.
I but I, I, I think your point

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still stands that you know, God,
God's working all this behind

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the scene.
It's not like I I like the

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specific verbiage that it's not
not of any works that they did,

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but it's the the point glory,
glory to God and and ultimately

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God's promises hasn't failed.
And he might be thinking, you

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know, if Paul's going to quote
some Old Testament, you know,

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passage, would it be from
Genesis or Deuteronomy?

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And he.
Maybe Samuel, maybe Kings or

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something.
No Malachi.

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Malachi going deep cut, yeah.
So maybe I'll read the these.

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So this is what Malachi says.
This is the opening chapters of

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Malachi one through 5, says the
Oracle of the word of the Lord

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to Israel through Malachi.
I have loved you, says the Lord.

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But you say, how have you loved
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Was not Esau Jacob's brother,
Declares the Lord?

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Yet I have loved Jacob, but I've
hated Esau, and I've made his

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mountains a desolation, and
appointed his inheritance for

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the jackals of the wilderness.
Though Edom says we have been

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beaten down, but we will return
and build up the ruins.

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Thus says the Lord of hosts,
they may build, but I will tear

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down, and the men will call them
the wicked territory, and the

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people toward whom the Lord is
indignant.

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Forever your eyes will see this,
and you will say the Lord be

444
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magnified beyond the border of
Israel.

445
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:07,520
And Malachi is coming in hot.
It's not like, hey, I'm Malachi.

446
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:11,160
God called me and it's just like
boom, like he really it's not a

447
00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:15,440
long intro really gets gets to
the point.

448
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:22,120
I like I like this note down
here that Pastor Joel has that

449
00:23:22,120 --> 00:23:26,400
says God's selection of Jacob
was done solely so that God's

450
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,520
purpose according to his choice
would stand not because of

451
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:31,920
works, but because of him who
calls.

452
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:35,560
And I think you, you step
outside of this Roman 9 context

453
00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:39,000
and you talk to people all
across the, you know, free will,

454
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:40,680
sovereignty spectrum.
They would say, yeah, it's not

455
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:43,480
of works.
I think we all can agree to

456
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,840
that, that you know it's nothing
you you do and I.

457
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:51,520
Think that the scandalous thing
is, and This is why I tried to

458
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:53,960
bring out 'cause I know we're
not actually there yet, but the

459
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,200
scandalous thing is not that he
hated Esau.

460
00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:59,000
Esau was a pretty bad guy.
It's the fact that.

461
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:02,680
He loved Jacob cause.
Jacob was also a pretty bad guy,

462
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:08,840
especially early on, and so you
can see that it's not like one

463
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,560
of them has earned it.
And it's not like, oh, why did

464
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:14,160
you hate Esau?
The question is why did you love

465
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:17,240
Jacob, who is also a scandal a a
scoundrel?

466
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:21,000
Yeah, and I don't I, I like the
terminology that Pastor Joel

467
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:24,120
used that Esau was passed over
Jacob chosen.

468
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:28,600
You know, I think, I think that
speaks to exactly what you just

469
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:30,480
said.
Both people are pretty bad and

470
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:34,520
deserving where he soldiers
passed over Jacob's chosen.

471
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:38,320
It was all all God's choice and
and nothing, nothing else.

472
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,480
Yeah, so verse 11, God's
selection of Jacob was so that

473
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,440
God's purpose according to his
choice would stand, not because

474
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,600
of works, but because of him who
calls.

475
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,320
And Joel, I found he did a great
job pointing this out.

476
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:55,240
If God's promises were based on
our ability to fulfill

477
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:59,400
something, our effort, our
faithfulness, they'd never come

478
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,160
about.
Yeah, that's a bad place to be,

479
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,160
Yeah.
So we could question the

480
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:08,160
fairness, it may not seem fair,
but God's really he's promised

481
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:09,720
and he's going to make it
happen.

482
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,320
And it's it's really relying on
him and and not us.

483
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:15,960
Yeah, And, and really, the the
beauty of grace is that it makes

484
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,120
life not fair, right?
You know, it's like.

485
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,560
That's a song lyric.
Yeah.

486
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:21,920
There you go.
You're good.

487
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:23,080
Yeah.
Reliant.

488
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:27,600
K sorry, yeah.
And then the your favorite

489
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:32,720
translation right the message.
I don't hate the message 'cause

490
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:38,600
we, Joel and I were walking and
she was like, I felt like Joel

491
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:40,680
said don't read the message.
Like, no, he just said it's not

492
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:42,680
a study Bible.
And so we like, we went back and

493
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:43,720
listened.
I was like, yeah, he just, it's

494
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:47,040
not a study Bible.
But I, you know, if, if you're

495
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:50,160
not reading any Bible and you
would read the message, then

496
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:51,720
read the message every day,
That's what I would say.

497
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:53,040
What?
Whatever translation you'll

498
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:56,240
read, even if it's like the
Watchtower, Even if it were the

499
00:25:56,240 --> 00:26:00,080
Watchtower, read that.
You know what I'm saying?

500
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:04,040
And it's and it's saying, yeah.
And the message does a good job

501
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:05,920
and that I don't I should, I
should look this up.

502
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,040
The message is more it's a
paraphrase.

503
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:09,440
Is it a translation or is it a
paraphrase?

504
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,160
It's a paraphrase, so like so
it's good to read.

505
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:17,360
Is a translation and I think the
the the Lt. the living

506
00:26:17,360 --> 00:26:22,560
translation was more dynamic and
then the NLT, they've kind of

507
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:26,040
tightened it up a little bit.
I would say NLT, you're fine.

508
00:26:26,120 --> 00:26:27,240
You're fine to read 'cause.
We.

509
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:31,120
We did like a lot of comparisons
when we 'cause there was maybe

510
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:34,080
right when you started
attending, we handed the NLTS

511
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:37,880
out.
And before we did that, we did

512
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,360
some like checks.
What does this translation say?

513
00:26:40,360 --> 00:26:42,280
What does this translation say?
What does this translation say?

514
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,000
And we're like.
Pretty good.

515
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:47,000
It's it's pretty good.
So yeah, NLT you read it.

516
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,920
It's good and like yeah, message
message isn't bad.

517
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:50,840
Don't.
Read the ESP.

518
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:52,120
That's the only.
That's the only.

519
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,200
Bad the elect standard version.
It's great, you know.

520
00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,880
Well, we'll read from the
message here because it does do

521
00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:03,960
a good job helping, you know,
paint, paint a picture for us,

522
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,880
the message reads.
When she became pregnant by our

523
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,920
one-of-a-kind ancestor, Isaac
and her babies were still

524
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:13,960
innocent in the womb, incapable
of good or bad, she received a

525
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,240
special assurance from God.
What God did in this case made

526
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,960
it perfectly plain that His
purpose is not a hit or miss

527
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:24,200
thing dependent on what we do or
don't do, but a sure thing

528
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:28,000
determined by His decision,
flowing steadily from His

529
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,560
initiative.
God told Rebecca The first born

530
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,080
of your twins will take second
place.

531
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:35,360
That's.
That's pretty strong.

532
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:37,840
That's.
Pretty strong and really puts

533
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:41,960
puts everything in in God's
God's hands.

534
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,160
Yeah, and there's this kind of a
nobody guy, Douglas Moo.

535
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,400
You may have may probably
haven't heard of him.

536
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:51,520
Now he's written this very large
comprehensive commentary on

537
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:53,040
Romans.
He has this to say.

538
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:56,200
If God's plan depended on the
vagaries of sinful human beings

539
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,680
for its continuous, then indeed
God's word would have fallen to

540
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:03,240
the ground long ago.
But God's purpose in history is

541
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:07,680
fulfilled because he himself
elects people to be part of that

542
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:09,400
purpose.
Yeah, I think we pinned it with

543
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,120
like 3 different quotes through
the message, through this,

544
00:28:11,120 --> 00:28:12,880
through the other one, just
really driving home.

545
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:17,000
It's unmistakable from this
passage that God is at work in a

546
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:20,760
way that's not dependent on us.
I don't, I don't think you can

547
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,120
look at these verses and say
otherwise really.

548
00:28:23,360 --> 00:28:25,560
I think like a lot of people,
they probably go, they go like,

549
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:26,960
oh, it's like nations, not
people.

550
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:28,520
Or it's like you try, you have
to work around it.

551
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,160
You have to try to work around
it because it's pretty pretty in

552
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:32,240
your face.
Yeah.

553
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,880
So two things that I think we
should talk about, and that one

554
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,520
is, yeah, if God can be
sovereign in nations, I think

555
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:42,080
the only way he does that is by
being sovereign in individual

556
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:43,160
lives.
Like because you're not going to

557
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,920
move a nation unless you're
moving the people in the nation.

558
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,480
And then another, you know, we
keep talking about Galatians

559
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:53,320
because Galatians has a lot of
the same things as Romans and

560
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,600
Galatians.
Paul would say that all the

561
00:28:55,600 --> 00:29:00,480
promises are yes, in Jesus.
And so, you know, kind of going

562
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:06,840
back to Paul's overall concern,
has God abandoned his people?

563
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,280
Has God failed to fulfill his
promise?

564
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,520
Paul makes it clear in Galatians
that the promise was to

565
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,320
Abraham's offspring, not
offspring.

566
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:16,720
And that's pretty seed, yeah,
yeah.

567
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,720
Yeah, not seeds.
And so the the ultimate

568
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:25,440
fulfillment of the Abrahamic and
the Davidic and this the New

569
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:30,160
Covenant are all found in Jesus,
who is a Jew.

570
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,200
And and.
If, and talking about

571
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:37,840
eschatology, when Jesus comes
back and reigns from Jerusalem,

572
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:42,480
it's going to be a Jewish king
reigning, you know, in a Jewish

573
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,080
religion that we have been
grafted into.

574
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:48,360
So I, I feel like when I talk to
like hardline dispensationalist,

575
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,520
I come off like a little bit of
a covenant theology and I talk

576
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,760
to covenant theology, I come off
like, 'cause I, I'm, I, I, I

577
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,120
think the term is progressive.
Dispensationalist, you're very

578
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:57,920
progressive.
I would, I would.

579
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:04,080
Very modern man, yeah.
So that that kind of wraps up

580
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,240
versus 6 to 13 next week.
We're going to get to, you know,

581
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,840
Paul's anticipating and
objection is, is this fair, you

582
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,680
know?
Play throwing, play throwing,

583
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:14,440
play throwing, pottering right.
Oh.

584
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:16,520
Yeah, yeah, I like that.
Yeah, bring it.

585
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:20,680
I was a little slow there.
So let's move on to application.

586
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,320
The number one application,
something we should just keep in

587
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,640
our minds throughout, is that
God does keep His word.

588
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:30,120
He does keep His promises.
A passage from Numbers 23 verse

589
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,480
19 reads.
God is not a man that he should

590
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,280
lie, nor a son of man that he
should repent.

591
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:36,800
Has he said and will he not do
it?

592
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,000
Or has he spoken and will and
will he not make it good?

593
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:45,000
That we can stand by God's word
and know that He's working, even

594
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,720
if we don't perceive it in that
moments.

595
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,960
No, it's good.
And then we sang the song that

596
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,800
Joel recommended at the end, but
he was going to bring it up here

597
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:55,800
standing on the promises.
I was wondering if we're going

598
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:57,440
to sing it.
I I got a lot of I don't.

599
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:02,440
A lot of requests for you.
And then, you know, we're

600
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,440
supposed to be like God as much
as we can.

601
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,400
And if God keeps his word, Joel
asks this question.

602
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:09,640
Are you a man or woman of your
word?

603
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:11,200
Like you say, you're going.
To ask a question.

604
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,320
You do it all the time.
Yeah, that, that that's

605
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,240
convicting.
And cause most of the time if

606
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,320
someone's like, I don't feel
like you're keeping your word,

607
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,080
it's normally 'cause I'm not,
it's not 'cause like I'm working

608
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:21,880
behind the scenes and making it
happen, you know?

609
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:23,600
Oh.
It doesn't look like it, but you

610
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,360
just wait and I'll show you how
I'm fulfilled.

611
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:27,840
No, I just slept in.
No.

612
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,280
Yeah, exactly.
And then the second response,

613
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:35,320
you know, this Romans 9 gets a
it gets a bad rap for

614
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,120
divisiveness and this kind of
thing.

615
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:40,200
But really it should where
Romans 11 ends is just this

616
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,000
great praise.
We should praise God for our our

617
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:46,640
salvation because he really
should have cast, I mean passed

618
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:48,880
over us, right?
Yeah, he should have passed over

619
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,240
all of us, and yet he's chosen
some of us.

620
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,800
John Stott has this long quote,
which I guess we'll read says

621
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:59,440
many mysteries surround the
doctrine of election and

622
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,600
theologians are unwise to
systematize it in such a way

623
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:07,080
that no puzzles or enigmas or
loose ends are left.

624
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:12,240
We need to remember 2 truths.
First, election is not just a

625
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:16,680
Pauline or Apostolic doctrine.
It was also taught by Jesus

626
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,320
himself.
I know those I have chosen, he

627
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,480
said.
Secondly, election is an

628
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:25,960
indispensable foundation of
Christian worship in time and

629
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,720
eternity.
It is the essence of worship to

630
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:33,800
say, not to us, O Lord, not to
us, but to your name be the

631
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,080
glory.
If we were responsible for our

632
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:39,640
own salvation, either in whole
or even in part, we would be

633
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,720
justified in singing our own
praises and blowing our own

634
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:46,520
trumpet or tuba in heaven.
But such a thing is

635
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,360
inconceivable.
God's redeemed people will spend

636
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:53,080
eternity worshipping Him,
humbling themselves before Him

637
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:57,520
in grateful adoration, ascribing
their salvation to the Lamb, and

638
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:01,800
acknowledging that He alone is
worthy to receive all praise,

639
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:03,960
honor, and glory.
Why?

640
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:08,400
Because our salvation is due
entirely to His grace, will,

641
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:12,000
initiative, wisdom, and power.
Well said.

642
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,480
I don't, I don't think I can add
anything to that monster.

643
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:18,000
Just great quote by the great
Anglican John Stott.

644
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:23,400
Great, Angan, that's our take.
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646
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