It Will Be Worth It All | Romans 8:18-27

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How you feeling today, Zach?
Little the little sore.

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I'm sure I'll be sore tomorrow
too.

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Yeah, where?
Where?

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Where's it the most sore?
Most for me is like in my

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shoulder and back honestly from
from the spiking right right

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over and over.
Yeah, in my lower back I was

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like a couple times we were
standing up today in church and

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I was like, oh, that didn't
wanna creak, but, you know,

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winning 6.
Yes.

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Pickleball games in a row it's
it can be tough on a on a older

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body like mine.
Yeah, Pete, that's all the talk

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of the town was the undefeated
stretch by Michael.

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But I was not so lucky.
I think I went 500.

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Maybe I, I was telling you this
earlier, but if I I felt like if

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I was the best player on your
team, bad news for the team

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we're we're going down.
But if I was the worst player.

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And you said you lost when Chloe
was your.

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Wow, we are I think we're pretty
comparable there.

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We we we weren't doing each
other any any favors, but it it

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was a lot of fun.
I actually thought it was the.

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Same for me, OK, 'cause I, I
played with Kevin and I thought

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he was a more consistent player
than I was.

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Consistency.
Yeah, that's important and

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that's the key.
It's like, I probably was 500 at

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best on my serves and and that
was, and that was when I was

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serving purely under
underhanded.

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Then I moved over to Tim, who
was my partner, and I learned I

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didn't know this.
Yeah, because Chris even asked.

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Like, I see some people, like,
serve inside iron.

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Like, I think it's supposed to
be underhanded, but I learned at

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least per Tim, who seems to play
a lot.

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Yeah, Yeah, as long as your
racket doesn't go above

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horizontal.
Oh, I did not know.

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This so you could they're like
top.

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Spinning.
I did not know this.

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Yeah.
And so then, so then like that

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little motion right there, I can
tell, oh, that's sore because I

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started top, top spinning it.
So yeah.

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I, I had a lot of fun.
I feel like I know the rule.

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I thought I knew the rules.
I've just learned another one

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just now, so maybe I need to
really, really brush up.

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But yeah, 'cause my, my problem
is with Speaking of consistency,

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I try to go for it a little.
It's like I just need to like

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keep it in, play it safe, make
them make the mistake instead of

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going for it, you know?
That's I I even told Kevin one

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time I was like, I got to stop
going for it.

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Like I just need to put it in
play, let them make the mistake

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because.
I should say this too, I feel

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like there's a little tension.
Were you guys calling us out for

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for pickleballs just floating
across your court a little bit?

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Yeah, No, I'm just.
Kidding, although, and maybe you

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know, 'cause I was confused on
something like I thought we had

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that whole grassy area.
So for those who don't know, our

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church rented out this
pickleball arena, all 8 courts

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nice.
And I don't know if it was like

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a miscommunication or maybe I
just had unmet expectations, but

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we got there and there were like
a lot of strangers in that

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little grassy area.
And I was like, I thought, we're

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going to let our kid roam free
and it was going to be fine so.

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Yeah, well, that's probably on,
on me.

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We, we technically could have
rented out some of that green

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space, but it gets kind of
expensive.

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And the lady told me, oh, if you
own all, if you were running all

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the courts, traffic gets cut
down a lot.

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But maybe we didn't account for
the live.

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Band.
Yeah, yeah.

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Maybe it was just the night,
like it was a Thursday night and

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different, but she was like, oh,
if you guys have the whole

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place, like some people be
eating in the restaurant,

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hanging out, but it will be a
couple people and it was not a

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couple people.
No, it was, it was quite a bit

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of people were like, yeah, so.
Pickle ball, like you mentioned,

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you know, you wake up in the
morning, you're groaning a

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little.
Bit yeah, I was groaning, yeah.

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That that is a, a core, core
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What I do want to point out
before we talk about the sermon,

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talk about groaning.
I'm at a really nice

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conversation with with the
stair.

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It's Melissa and Tony and Tony
was he just was so encouraging

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to me.
We sat down.

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He's like just so uplifting and
he was he he mentioned he's

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like, man, I've been listening
to y'all's podcast.

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It's been great.
And that like meant a lot to me

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and I just left that feeling
like that stuck with me.

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So thank you, Tony.
That was really, really a good,

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good experience.
And he was just it just I, you

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know, he spent some time with
Tony talking to him.

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He's always just like, very
encouraging.

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Yeah, that's good.
Yeah.

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And you also mentioned Alex,
thank you for the shout out.

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So so it helps us when we know
people are listening.

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I did say this to Alex.
I I said I think during Sunday

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schools since he has such good
comments, we should just give

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him a mic and he can kind of
just chime in.

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His wife was like no, no, no,
don't give him a mic and.

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It's like that and Jimmy Kimmel
that that Mexican guy that sits.

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I don't think they do that as
much and I don't watch that as

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much.
But like maybe 2008, 2005, I

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watched the late night comics
and he would just make a little

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funny comments every now and
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So that's what we just put Alex
in the.

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Corner, he's always got a good,
He's always like quick on his

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feet.
We gotta make some some comments

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on.
Well, I think that's a good,

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good pro lock.
We're sore a little bit of

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groaning 'cause we're gonna talk
a lot about groaning.

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Funnily enough, groaning's not
the title.

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That's not that's not the
emphasis though, right?

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No, no, Yeah, it's going to be
worth it all, which is good.

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I think, you know, we're going
through tough times, some more

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than others, but we know that in
the end, it's going to be worth

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it all.
So let's talk about the sermon

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and take it to the next level.
From the hearts of the Low

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Country in South Carolina.
It's the Take Two podcast where

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we take theology to the next
level.

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All right, Romans 8, 18 through.
I have 17 here but that came

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right 27.
Logically, it's not.

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The math is not.
Math thing, that's not math

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thing. 18 through 27.
And like we said, we said

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there's going to be at least two
more sermons from this from our

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last time we got together.
That was a good call.

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It was a good call.
I, I was thinking more, I

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thought maybe he would do some
of these separately, but he took

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a, he took a bigger chunk than
than I was expecting.

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So we're going to get through
creation groaning, us groaning,

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and the Holy Spirit groaning on
our behalf today.

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And if you remember, like the
last verse from the last Romans

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thing you even pointed out,
you're like, hey, I'm glad you

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bolded this, but then you
underlined this.

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Do you remember that?
Tell me more.

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Tell me more.
Alright, so it was verse 17 from

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chapter 8 and it says and if
children heirs, also heirs of

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God and fellow heirs with
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And we were like, it's hard to
even understand what that means.

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But then here there's like the
little bit of the kicker, if

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indeed we suffer with him so
that we may also be glorified

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with him.
So Paul starts hinting as he's

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kind of wrapping up that last
section, there's going to be

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suffering.
And then of course, the next

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verses, you know, so this
tournament is all about the that

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suffering and the groaning.
That that's good.

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Kind of teeing us up.
You know, we've been talking

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about the flesh and the spirit,
a little bit of battle back and

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forth.
We get to Chapter 8.

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It's so positive, then we're
going to get teed up for the

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suffering, then it's going to
end really positive.

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And so keeping all of that in
our mind, I think helps us

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understand where we're at, what
Paul's top, what, what is he

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talking about?
Because it does flow pretty

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logically.
He's connecting these things on

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purpose.
And so I think, I think that

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sets us up well.
And again, in this section,

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Paul's very logical.
He's going to try to drive home

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this basic principle, which
really is verse 18.

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As pastor Joel did a great job
telling us, which Paul writes

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for, I consider that the
sufferings of this present time

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are not worthy to be compared
with the glory that is to be

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revealed to us, that that's the
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And then he's going to start
explaining all this groaning.

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But keep that verse 18 in mind.
Yeah, yeah, that's the summary.

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Because and Paul, this is not a
theme.

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That's just with Paul.
You know, Jesus will talk about

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this, which we'll look at in a
second, in a second.

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But Paul, not just in Romans,
like Second Corinthians 4A great

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passage on suffering.
Philippians.

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The whole book is like how to
have joy and be rejoicing and

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suffering.
There's a lot in the New

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Testament.
Yeah, Peter, it's just like

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people are suffering.
Suffering should not come as a

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surprise.
And if you only hear about how

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rich and awesome and great your
life's going to be with no

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problems, it might not be
lighting up with Scripture

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totally.
And and yeah, this is a little

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bit of a rabbit hole, but if you
know, you're quoting Jeremiah

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2911 for yourself.
You.

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Know all of these verses about
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may be the hint that maybe we're
not understanding that verse

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right.
Yeah, yeah.

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It's like you'll get your Bible.
We should see.

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And this is a great place where
something I appreciate about New

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Testament writers, they're not
sugar coating stuff.

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They're saying we've got these
great things to think about

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because there are some tough
things that will come come up.

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So I think, I think that helps
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We've got the principle we've
got, we've got the different

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groanings we're gonna talk
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Let's let's jump into it a
little bit more and with that

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verse 18 and maybe we can talk
about the sufferings of this

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present time.
Yeah, so the setting is the

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upper room discourse.
Maybe they're walking out to the

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Mount Olives.
But Jesus, like in his last

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instructions to his disciples,
like here's where he's going to

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pack in some of the most
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John 1518 to 21 He says if the
world hates you, you know that

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it has hated me before it hated
you and you were in.

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If you were of the world, the
world would love its own.

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But because you're not of the
world, but I chose you out of

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the world, because of this, the
world hates you.

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Remember the word that I said to
you, A slave is not greater than

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his master.
If they persecuted me, they will

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also persecute you.
If they kept my word, they will

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keep yours also.
But all these things they will

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do to you for my name sakes,
because they do not know the one

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who sent me.
And you, you people, you

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probably heard this the only
time if you, if you trace the

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outcome of of the apostles.
It wasn't it wasn't pretty

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across the board, right.
This is a accurate, truthful

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statement.
And I think you know, when Jesus

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says this kind of thing, we, we
should anticipate some in some

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capacity.
It might not be persecution on

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the same level, but we're gonna
face some hard times.

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Open Door Open Door has some
pretty sobering statistics about

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really globally what What's the
state of persecution for

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Christians.
I wrote a couple of these down.

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One of their stats is worldwide
there are are over 360 million

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Christians who suffer in a
hostile way that affects their

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job or effects them physically,
effects their livelihood in some

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capacity.
That's one Christian out of

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every seven if you include all
of the world's population.

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That's one out of every five
Christians in Africa when you

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kind of isolate for that
continent and then two out of

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five in Asia.
And we don't have it right now,

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but if you if you go to the
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You can kind of see the areas
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more significant way than maybe
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Right.
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in, you know, the United States
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of favor like it was 2034 years
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sometime, but it's not anywhere
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enduring on a day-to-day basis.
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And we, we, I've talked a lot
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where we're united with these
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level, but thinking across the
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an application, but what a great
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brothers and sisters in Christ
that and that they would

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persevere, that they would, you
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all because it's a it's a tough,
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people across the globe.
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parts.
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sufferings.
That's what we were just talking

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those are not worthy to be
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going to be revealed to us.
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coin.
There are sufferings we talked

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about that we talked about the
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be worth it.
And then Joel gonna restart a

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streak on songs.
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himself.
He he, he got a lapse in there.

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I know, I know.
So he said, who all knows this

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song And like one person raised
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It wasn't us.
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and there's a lot of people that
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Did you know the song?
Were you familiar?

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I was I don't I?
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I don't know.
But just because it's a hymn and

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it's like once you get going, it
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I don't know, 'cause I first was
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Yeah, yeah, I sang with him the
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Yeah, he sang it, but but yeah.
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it all.
Maybe y'all know this, but I'll

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just read some of the words.
It will be worth it all.

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When we see Jesus, life's trials
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When we see Christ, one glimpse
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will erase.
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see Christ.
Really great, great lyrics.

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good, good lyrics.
It's like you get, really get

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stuff out of it, even if you
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of the same, you know, song or
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we were just coming out of the
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athletes spend a lot of time
just for the hope that, you

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know, maybe they can medal, get
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that would be worth it.
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mentions 10,000 hours, which is
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batted around a lot, a lot for
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in anything.
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10K under your belt and you're
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Like these people continue to
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You know, swimmers really have
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That's what you were saying
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I, you know what?
I am not good at swimming, so

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I'm the least qualified person
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only can get so many medals.
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all the medals in the world.
I feel like someone needs to

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look into this.
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I don't know how many medals you
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don't think you get like 18
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They got one medal right.
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seems to be in the swimmers
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Swimming and maybe track and
field sprinters to maybe.

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I'm not a high level athlete, so
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the couch.
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have you heard the thing like
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maybe not like the worst, but
someone who's like reasonably

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fit doing these things along
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juxtaposition of just how crazy
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doing what they're doing.
I'm not for that.

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That would help me put it in in
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I do want to say in passing
physical therapy got a shout out

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that's.
Always I saw that.

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I saw that.
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Four to six hours swimming in a
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vacation to me.
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to my grandmother's.
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a little bit different than what
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For a pool noodle, just like
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But that is in addition to her
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I assume is some strength
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training and also physical
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The external rotation, internal
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their external rotation is just
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what they tell me at least.
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you're putting in a lot of a lot
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workouts.
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they're dreaming of this medal.
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was since the 8th grade she's
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Olympics or something like.
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lot of suffering in one sense.
Chloe noted that there was no

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time in the schedule for
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So, yeah, but why?
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looking for.
It's the hope of that medal.

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motivations like to be the best
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But they're suffering, and in
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suffering that we go through,
some more than others, but it's

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ultimately for that payoff, for
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And Pastor Jill is not the only
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athletics to make a point.
We we see this with Paul

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specifically first Corinthians
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He writes, Don't you know that
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but only one receives the prize?
Run in such a way that you may

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win.
Everyone who competes in the

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games exercises self-control in
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imperishable.
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that's not without aim.
I box in such a way as not

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beating the air, but I
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my slave so that after I have
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will not be disqualified.
That sounds a lot like these

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Olympic athletes, you know,
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I'm like, I'm committed.
I've got aim.

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I'm I'm doing this for a purpose
that that really I think hits

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hits the nail on the head all.
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So that's verse 18.
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going this pace, it's going to
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But really, so unpacking verse
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the next three big sections.
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sufferings Part 2, but they're
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glory that's going to be
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Now Paul's going to move and
he's going to talk about these

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groanings.
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I'm going to end up with the
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behalf.
So I'll just read these verses

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19 through 22.
For the anxious longing of

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creation awaits eagerly for the
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For the creation was subjected
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because of Him who subjected it,
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also will be set free from its
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glory, into the freedom of the
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For we know that the whole
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pains of childbirth together.
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Yeah, I, I like that Paul has
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I think he's really painting
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Then it's going to be so much
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There's this anxious longing
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He's kind of given this
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that it's, you know, been
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I know there might be a couple
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heard always growing up, is that
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after the fall of man.
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ground in some way, saying, hey,
that's not just going to grow

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your food, it's going to grow
thorns and, and thistles and

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briars and stuff.
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takes on that.
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well, there's a difference
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and outside of the garden.
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special place where he could
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Now he's basically ushered out
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the work increase and not, you

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know, some actual recreation or
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universe at that point in time.
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that creation is groaning even
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though he says it's good, it's
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Like God has a purpose for why
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If everything was idyllic right
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see our need for a relationship
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But if he builds in, you know,
Joel even mentions the second

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law of entropy here.
I don't I, you know, it's hard

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to imagine.
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at that time without a second
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like I don't, I don't think God
recreated, you know, the the

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laws of the physics.
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and here's one in Jeremiah that
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This is a paragraph from Reasons
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It says millennia before
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principle of unchanging laws of
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The Bible stated that the
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universe has not and does not
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For example, Jeremiah 3030,
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God declares that He is not like
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change their minds.
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established the fixed laws of
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Jeremiah 3325 S to God's nature
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fixed.
So there's some textual support

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to the idea that this may not be
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maybe with just how God created.
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in, we see, you know, should God
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that our universe is going to
die this heat death where we

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don't have any usable energy
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Everything's kind of just spread
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dismal, dismal thing.
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where we're headed.
Like there's no meaning in life.

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Eventually our sun's going to go
red giant, burn everything up

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and we're going to be done.
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billions and billions of years
after that, we'll just be

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nothing will just be sitting
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But that's not where we're
headed, right?

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Right.
No, I think I think that's good

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to kind of think through these
different views.

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I know I have not really given
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thought, just kind of been
familiar with this, the Genesis

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3, the fall.
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consider.
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happen.
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got into where it is now, we
know, like I said it, we're not

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going to end in this heat death
of the universe because Jesus is

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going to return.
He's going to set things right

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and there's going to be a new
heaven and new earth.

447
00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:38,280
And Isaiah speaks of that and
says, for the Lord's indignation

448
00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:41,400
is against all the nations and
its wrath against all their

449
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,760
armies.
He has utterly destroyed them.

450
00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:45,480
He has given them over to
slaughter.

451
00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:49,120
So they're slain will be thrown
out, and their corpses will be

452
00:22:49,120 --> 00:22:52,080
will give off their stench, and
the mountains will be drenched

453
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:55,520
with their blood.
And all the hosts of heaven will

454
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:58,120
wear away.
And the sky will be rolled up

455
00:22:58,120 --> 00:23:01,120
like a scroll.
And their host will also wither

456
00:23:01,120 --> 00:23:05,240
away as a leaf Withers from the
vine or as one Withers from the

457
00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:06,760
fig tree.
So this picture.

458
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:10,080
That's a quite the picture.
Yeah, clearly seems to be

459
00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:13,000
talking about end times when
this judgement's raining down

460
00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:16,320
and ultimately this heaven and
earth going to get rolled up

461
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:18,880
like a scroll and we're going to
see a new heaven and new earth.

462
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:22,640
So that that is creation
groaning.

463
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:26,160
Paul is then going to move so we
groan and I think this is not

464
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:28,840
something that's hard for us to
to relate to, even if it's not

465
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:32,040
as bad as it could be.
We all pickleball makes us grow.

466
00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:37,480
In verse 23, Paul begins through
25 and says not only this, but

467
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:40,400
we ourselves having the first
fruits of the spirit.

468
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:45,160
Even we ourselves groan within
ourselves waiting eagerly for

469
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:48,600
our adoption as sons, the
redemption of our body for in

470
00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:51,480
hope we've been saved.
But hope that is seen.

471
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:55,240
It's not hope for who hopes what
he already sees, but if hope for

472
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:58,640
what we don't see with
perseverance, we wait eagerly

473
00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:00,960
for it.
What I what I like about this

474
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:04,320
paragraph is, and even if you
back up to creation, there's a

475
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,040
lot of anticipation.
There's a lot of eagerness.

476
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,800
This should be our disposition.
That's a really good take away

477
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,880
that if you're not eagerly
awaiting these things, you

478
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:16,920
probably either think too highly
of this life, or not highly

479
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:18,840
enough of what's coming, or
maybe both.

480
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,360
Yeah, yeah.
And I, I don't know who it was,

481
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:26,120
maybe David Platt, but we heard
about it through Jenny Bostic.

482
00:24:26,120 --> 00:24:31,040
But we have like this big spool
of twine and like the very, very

483
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:34,880
tip of it is like painted red.
And it's like this mental image,

484
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:38,760
like that little red strip is
kind of a resembles or

485
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:40,640
represents our life here on
earth.

486
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:46,160
And we have all of that unwound
spool there to spend and into,

487
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,560
you know, and we're anticipating
that of with with Christ in

488
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:53,680
heaven.
Yeah, this, this term groanings,

489
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:55,800
you know, I think a lot,
sometimes the default is you

490
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:57,280
just go to prayer.
Maybe you think of the Holy

491
00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:00,600
Spirit groaning on your behalf.
But Joe made the really good

492
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,440
point that maybe it could be
things that push us to pray.

493
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,880
I mean, very connected and
related, but thinking about

494
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,440
these things in life that make
you groan, like that's a great

495
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:10,600
way to frame it.
Maybe these are your prayers and

496
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:13,400
you can't articulate them
exactly to the depth that they

497
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,240
need to be.
Or maybe it's these things that

498
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,280
you're like this.
I need to pray because of this.

499
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:19,760
Yeah, I thought that was a good,
good point too, because I think

500
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:23,040
people naturally go, oh, Holy
Spirit's praying.

501
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,120
Those are his groaning.
So that must be what ours was.

502
00:25:27,120 --> 00:25:28,760
And I had not necessarily
considered that.

503
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,080
I thought that and Pastor Joel
mentioned, you know, he's in his

504
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,600
70s, his knee, he's like anyone
else over 70.

505
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:35,840
A few people raise their hand.
Every people's knees hurts.

506
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:37,400
A lot of people went, yes, I saw
Charlie back.

507
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:38,320
Nope.
My knees are good.

508
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:40,720
I was like, Charlie, throw the
guy a bone, you know?

509
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:42,600
Yeah.
Charlie's pretty active.

510
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:47,320
He's he's a spry old man, so.
Yeah, he, I, I'm amazed at at

511
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:49,200
the pace that, that he keeps and
that that's great.

512
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:50,800
And that's probably why his
knees are feeling good.

513
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:53,080
He's very active.
Yeah, yeah.

514
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:56,400
All right.
And you would think, you know,

515
00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:01,200
you have some pictures of people
who have experienced a lot of

516
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:05,200
pain, a lot of suffering.
And I know Joni Erickson Tada is

517
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:08,920
one who's often, you know,
lifted up as one of those.

518
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,800
And she has said that she
wouldn't trade those for

519
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:16,760
anything because God has used
them so much in her life.

520
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:20,040
And here's a kind of quote from
a different angle from her as

521
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:21,880
well.
It says, you look at me in this

522
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:25,200
wheelchair, paralyzed for 52
years, and most people would

523
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,600
think, oh, you're looking
forward to your new body.

524
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,120
And yeah, that's one of those
fringe benefits.

525
00:26:30,120 --> 00:26:32,280
But I'm looking forward to the
new heart.

526
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:36,080
A heart free of manipulating
others with precisely timed

527
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,240
phrases.
A heart free of fudging the

528
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:39,960
truth.
A heart free from hogging the

529
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,160
spotlight, believing my own
press releases.

530
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,840
A heart free of not believing
the best of others.

531
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:48,520
A heart free of caving into fear
or anxiety about the future.

532
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:53,280
I can't wait to have a heart
free of sin.

533
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:54,800
That's a good thing to look
forward to.

534
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:58,120
That's something that anticipate
and just know that's going to

535
00:26:58,120 --> 00:27:00,720
happen 'cause that that that is
a that is a pretty powerful,

536
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,240
powerful thought.
And Paul talks a lot about hope.

537
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,640
And, and this hope is things we
can't say things that that will

538
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,520
happen.
Joe makes this illustration that

539
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:12,080
we're working, working for a
payday.

540
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:17,080
He, he singles out down to earth
landscaping Chris Hawk, who's, I

541
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,120
don't know, been doing this for
a long time.

542
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,600
And, and, and he, his sons
worked for him and he called, he

543
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,680
was like, you know, Curtis
Clayton Clayton did a really

544
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,800
cool, really cool wave.
The, the pastor Joe like the

545
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:33,160
like the cool, cool guy.
He is basically was saying it's

546
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,360
hard work landscaping.
You don't do this for free.

547
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:38,680
You do this because you're going
to get paid, right?

548
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,360
Right.
Yeah, And he asked Clayton if

549
00:27:41,360 --> 00:27:43,680
he's getting paid enough, which
I thought was a funny question.

550
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:45,920
Actually I need to raise.
What's Clayton say?

551
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,560
Yeah, I need to raise in this
economy, But I thought his

552
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:50,840
response was spot on.
It was great.

553
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,360
I eat every day, so that's good.
That's good.

554
00:27:53,360 --> 00:27:55,480
That's exactly right.
And so for making this

555
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:59,160
illustration, you know, we're
we're suffering in a way for a

556
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:02,920
payday that's gonna be be
enormous in the future, even,

557
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,920
you know, this big bonus,
something far better than than

558
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,080
you could even imagine or
expect.

559
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:11,920
That's the kind of thing that
we're longing for in this life.

560
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:16,640
Side note, take it or leave it.
The Payday candy bar Not not

561
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:17,720
well named in my opinion.
You.

562
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:19,120
Don't think so.
It's it's it's.

563
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,240
Do you like it?
No, no, I'm saying you.

564
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:22,600
Don't like that taste of it?
Right.

565
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:24,040
I think it could.
I think if you're gonna do some

566
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:25,000
payday, it should be a little
better.

567
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,520
I think paydays are are.
Appropriate.

568
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,920
Yeah, I wouldn't say they're A
tier, maybe not even A tier, but

569
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:34,200
they're at least B tier.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

570
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,080
Another side note, Candy corn,
do you like it or not?

571
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:43,120
Oh, it's I don't really like it,
but if it's the season, which

572
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:45,240
this might be a banter for
another podcast.

573
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:50,240
September 22nd's the fall,
everyone not, not not a week

574
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:51,440
early.
That's all I'm saying.

575
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,480
So if it's, if it's like, you
know, it's the fall, it's a

576
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,280
crisp day, I'll eat some candy
corn and I I like it, but it's

577
00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,320
not like I'm just doing it
because it's like you.

578
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:00,960
Don't hate it.
Though I don't hate it, it's not

579
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:01,840
repulsive.
Like, yeah.

580
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:03,800
Try it mixed with salted
peanuts.

581
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:05,600
It's really good.
Yeah.

582
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,720
And it kind of it's like what
the payday should have been.

583
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,000
It.
It is reminiscent of a payday.

584
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:11,600
Yeah.
Yeah.

585
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,480
All right, I like that.
So the point is payday, payday

586
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:16,800
in the future.
And I know we're we're moving

587
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:18,440
here.
Did you want to mention first

588
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,520
fruits?
It's bolded in your in our notes

589
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:22,480
here.
Yeah.

590
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,360
In verse 23 when we go.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

591
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,120
yeah, yeah.
So, yeah.

592
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,680
So not only ourselves having the
first roots of the Spirit,

593
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:35,800
because we have the spirit as a
down payment.

594
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,040
That's the seal of our
salvation.

595
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:42,920
And it's like we have that first
fruit that that taste of what

596
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,520
heaven is going to be.
But it's just a taste.

597
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:47,120
It's not the full, the full
thing yet.

598
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:48,320
Yeah.
That, that, that.

599
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:49,720
That's great.
So we've got the principle,

600
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:51,680
we've got creation, groaning.
We're groaning.

601
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:55,000
Let's look ahead as we get to
the end of this pass.

602
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:59,480
If we look at the Holy Spirit
groans on our behalf as well.

603
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,920
I'll just go ahead and read
verses 26 and 27.

604
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:06,560
In the same way, the Spirit also
helps our weakness, for we don't

605
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,840
know how to pray as we should,
but the Spirit himself

606
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:13,040
intercedes for us with groanings
too deep for words.

607
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:15,440
And he who searches the hearts
knows what the mind of the

608
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:19,400
Spirit is, because he intercedes
for the Saints according to the

609
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,120
will of God.
It's a mouthful if you're just

610
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,440
listening, yeah.
Yeah, I think, I think the the

611
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:30,560
key parts are we get in these
situations and I think often

612
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:34,040
times we go, I went out of this
pain, I went out of the

613
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:35,680
suffering.
I want it to be better.

614
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,400
I want, you know, my health to
be restored.

615
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:42,400
I want unlimited finances.
I want the easy street.

616
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:46,320
And I think it's OK to pray for
that stuff, but we should pray

617
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,040
in the mind like, but God, we
know that you're using these

618
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:52,720
things to mold us and shape us.
And sometimes we don't know how

619
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,520
we should pray.
We we don't really know our own

620
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,440
limits.
We don't really know how God's

621
00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,760
moving.
And so we can trust that when we

622
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:05,880
say you know, not our will, but
thy will or your will, that he's

623
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:07,680
going to do that.
And we can trust that because we

624
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,720
know from other passages that
the Son is interceding on our

625
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:12,400
behalf.
And I like this, the Holy

626
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:13,680
Spirit's interceding on our
behalf.

627
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:18,160
And he is interceding with with
kind of groanings or thoughts or

628
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:22,240
a mindset that's too deep for us
to understand.

629
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,440
And he who searches the heart
knows what the mind of the

630
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,960
Spirit is.
So we can trust that between the

631
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,760
Father, the Son and the Holy
Spirit, you know, we're in the

632
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:32,920
Son's hand, the Father's hands
on us.

633
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:34,640
The Holy Spirit's given us a
down payment.

634
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,800
The Holy Spirit and the Son are
interceding on our behalf.

635
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:39,200
I mean.
That's pretty amazing.

636
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,840
It's pretty amazing.
Like, OK, I can have hope.

637
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,680
Even in the dire situations,
which is where Paul's going to

638
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:49,880
go at the end of this chapter.
Even in the dire situations, I

639
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:54,480
know that my future is secure
and I have this forever hope.

640
00:31:54,600 --> 00:32:00,240
Even if your AC goes out and
your van stops working, Michael

641
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,520
speaking from he's in the hope.
I don't know if you're on the

642
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:04,320
other side of that now.
We are on the other side of it,

643
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:07,600
Yeah.
So this week we had our AC

644
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,360
company come out and do some
standard maintenance. 4 hours

645
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:15,120
after they left, our blower
motor goes out and you always go

646
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:20,160
the suspicious side of me.
And then they quote me like this

647
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:25,680
outrageous price.
I was like, not only do I not

648
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:30,480
have the money to, to, to be
wise to pay that, but even if I

649
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,240
did, I think it would be dumb
for me to pay that.

650
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:36,560
So I reached out to some folks
and we, we got it changed out.

651
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:40,280
We, we kind of stayed in the
Airbnb for a couple days just

652
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,520
because it's too hot to sleep in
90° weather.

653
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,080
But then the same day that our
air conditioning went out, our

654
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:49,840
van was acting up, ended up just
being a single spark plug and

655
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,240
gone bad.
So it wasn't like thousands of

656
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,360
dollars that we thought, but you
know, like when your check

657
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:57,960
engine light is blinking and
it's kind of it's like, so we're

658
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,280
like, Lord, what do you want us
to learn?

659
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:04,320
Real life example of we go
through some some challenging

660
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,400
times.
Another great example that you

661
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:11,560
know, is fairly ubiquitous
across humanity is childbirth.

662
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,520
Doesn't sound fun.
Yeah, I know Michael was saying.

663
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,000
I heard before he went on he was
like, no big deal, Anyone could

664
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:18,040
do it.
What were you saying?

665
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:18,520
I'm just.
Kidding.

666
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:22,960
I was like, you know, I've heard
that it's about like a man cold.

667
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:27,520
So I I think we understand the
pain that, that, that women go

668
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:31,320
through.
But yeah, I remember with our

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first child, Chloe, Jill, you
know, there's this nervousness.

670
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,360
I, I think especially with your
first child, not that there

671
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:40,480
isn't with your subsequent one,
but you don't really know how

672
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it's going to go.
Jill is miserable.

673
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:46,400
And you know, there's all these
things that you can like eating

674
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,320
black licorice or taking some
cod liver oil or something to

675
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:51,560
try to help the, the birthing
process along.

676
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,280
And she's like, I don't want to
do any of that.

677
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,840
And I, I was like, she's like,
I'm, I can just remember her

678
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:00,800
basically saying something to
the fact of I'm miserable.

679
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,640
I don't want the baby in me, but
I don't want to go through the

680
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,000
process to get the baby out of
me either yet.

681
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,679
But it, it can be pretty bad
morning sickness.

682
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,600
Jill gets heartburn.
He didn't mention heartburn, but

683
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:18,400
like there was maybe, maybe it
was with Lydia that within

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00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,840
before we even knew for sure she
was pregnant.

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00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:26,239
She had heartburn and she was
like, she was like, I, I think I

686
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might be pregnant.
Why?

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00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:28,960
Because I had heartburn and I
never have heartburn.

688
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:32,159
But there are a lot of of
changes that aren't always

689
00:34:32,159 --> 00:34:36,040
pleasant with carrying a baby.
But was it worth it?

690
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,000
We'd say, yeah, those sufferings
were worth it.

691
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,960
Yeah, great, great illustration.
Something that Scripture alludes

692
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:45,120
to a lot are these birthing
pains, you know from from time

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time.
So I that that basically wraps

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up, we can move into some
application, some good things to

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00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,520
think about.
If you go back to verse 18,

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could you state Paul's main idea
in your own words?

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00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:59,880
For I consider that the
sufferings of this present time

698
00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:03,160
are not worthy to be compared
with the glory that is to be

699
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:04,720
revealed to us.
You get that in your mind,

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Everything else kind of falls
into place.

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00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:10,720
Second one, meditate on that
glory to be revealed when Christ

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00:35:10,720 --> 00:35:14,960
returns my passages.
You know, that and maybe even

703
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:18,720
some Old Testament passages that
talk about the new covenant

704
00:35:18,720 --> 00:35:20,760
because some of that hasn't been
fulfilled yet.

705
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:24,400
And then revelation, you know,
Jerusalem coming out of the sky,

706
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,360
all the tears being wiped away,
you know, all of those things.

707
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,040
Those are good things to
meditate on.

708
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:32,840
You know, in the end, our
portion is the Lord.

709
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:35,480
That that, that's great.
Something we probably don't, I

710
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,160
know for sure, don't think about
as much as we should.

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00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,600
Application 3.
Think about those groanings.

712
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:44,120
Can you think through and
develop these ideas of creation,

713
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:47,600
groaning of of how we groan and
how this Holy Spirit groans on

714
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,960
our behalf?
At 4 have you had to suffer or

715
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:54,400
groan and following Christ.
How did you respond?

716
00:35:54,720 --> 00:35:57,840
Did you respond?
You know, I, I think we, Jill

717
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:01,720
said, I, I confessed every sin
that, that I can think of.

718
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:06,520
Michael, you need to too.
And that's, I mean, God uses

719
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:10,080
these things like that to to
call us to him, to help us make

720
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,480
us more like him.
Think, think about this.

721
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,760
Other people, other Christians
across the world are suffering

722
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:16,840
so much.
We went through some of those

723
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:20,080
stats.
What would you do to share, to

724
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:23,520
encourage a believer who's maybe
in a Muslim country, who's in

725
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:24,840
the country that's really being
persecuted?

726
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,680
How would you encourage them?
That can seem kind of like an

727
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:29,960
overwhelming task.
But I think, I think this just

728
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,960
sticking to scripture, I think
that's a good place to be and

729
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:34,200
sharing some of these truths
would be good.

730
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:35,960
Yeah.
And then lastly, let's apply

731
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:37,960
that pray for those who are
persecuted.

732
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:42,520
And I, it's not very often that
in the flow of our service

733
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:48,720
someone interrupts Joel.
I mean, maybe just this once I

734
00:36:48,720 --> 00:36:51,000
can think of, but it happened
today and I thought it was, I

735
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:51,760
thought it was good.
I thought.

736
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:54,560
It was too, yeah.
Tanya had mentioned that there

737
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:58,360
are some believers in
Afghanistan who listen to our

738
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,080
live stream and they're even
listening now 'cause we, we can

739
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:06,520
see and they can chat and just
the persecution that they feel

740
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,120
on a day-to-day basis, like they
can't even let people know that

741
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,240
they're believers.
And so it's hard.

742
00:37:11,240 --> 00:37:13,680
You know, we talk about being
connected to the body of Christ.

743
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:17,360
It's hard when the only body of
Christ you can really share with

744
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,560
is, you know, your significant
other that's right there.

745
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:24,640
But those circumstances are not
unique.

746
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:26,720
They're, they're horrible, but
they're not unique.

747
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,240
And there's so many Christians
around the world who are

748
00:37:29,240 --> 00:37:32,680
enduring stuff like that or, or
even worse.

749
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,840
And we should remember them.
We should pray for them.

750
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:40,040
We should, I mean that prey
seems small, but you know, maybe

751
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,800
find organizations that are
looking to try to help them out.

752
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:45,120
That that's good.
Those are some great

753
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:47,880
applications.
We are making our way through

754
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,200
Romans.
Won't be too long before we get

755
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,840
out of eight and into 9.
But there's some such good stuff

756
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:54,480
left today.
These are the big these are the

757
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,800
big, big verses, right?
That's good.

758
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:58,280
That's good.
Well, thanks for hanging in

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00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,040
there with us.
That's our take.

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00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,840
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761
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,360
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