Oct. 14, 2024
Paul's Passion for His People | Romans 9:1-5
Episode 75
Paul cared about the Jews, but did God? Had God's promises failed?
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All right, Zach.
Yeah, Michael.
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I I kind of thought we were
partners and I said like we had
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our each other's backs.
Oh no.
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But I was listening to one of
our recent broadcasts, yeah,
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broadcast podcast, and man, I
really mangled a verse.
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And you know, I thought you
would be there to like, hey
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Michael, I know you know this
verse better.
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I should be on hair sealer.
Yeah, that's true.
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I Yeah.
So I I feel like I should redeem
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myself and quote it right now.
Yeah.
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Ephesians 28 and 9/4.
By grace you have been saved
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through faith and that not of
yourselves.
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It's a gift of God, not a result
of works, so that no man may
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boast.
Boom.
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Yeah, so it is 'cause I said
when I was just going through
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fast and I didn't catch it, I
said by grace and not through
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faces, something like that.
So I listened to that and I was
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like.
It's like, oh I meant the exact
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opposite in light of our bonus
solo episodes could be
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confusing.
Could be so, yeah.
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So permission, whenever you hear
me just mangle a verse.
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You can say, hey, let's, let's
give that one more shot.
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Or something.
I'll get the proverbial red pen
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of your arch nemesis, Mr. B, and
I'll.
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Just red pen, red pen, that that
that verse.
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But man, but you said that verse
with such passion.
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It was passionately wrong, yeah.
But that's good, you know, we
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even, even we make mistakes.
That's right.
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We can.
We can make mistakes.
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Yeah, I hear them when I'm
producing it.
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I'm like, I hope that goes by
fast.
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And people don't know this, you
know, occasional missteps.
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There's something about.
I think everyone relates to this
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in some capacity.
There's something about just
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like listening to yourself back
on repeat where I hear the
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podcast, I'm like, oh, I want to
hear how this went.
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Like I kind of don't want to
hear or it's like just like Fast
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forward through this.
Well, I generally think we're
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funny.
Like I listen to it and I laugh
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and my wife looks at me
laughing.
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She's like, you really enjoy
your own podcast?
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I might.
Well, I, I guess I do.
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I mean, I guess that's a good
thing.
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If if I if if you like really
hated it, that would be bad if.
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You're like, get that this is
just the worst.
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And, and we, we picked up a new
listener.
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Apparently you you helped her
find our podcast, Jess Petters.
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Oh, and she said she she thinks
we're pretty funny, but she
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wonders if that's just because
she knows us.
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You know, if someone you know
who doesn't know us and you just
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hear two guys you know yuckin it
up, you know, maybe.
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That's true.
I I always I 'cause I think my
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kids genuinely think I'm funny,
but sometimes I'm on like dad
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joke mode and kids are laughing.
Most time wife is laughing but
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sometimes wife's like what are
we doing here?
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Sometimes wife's rolling her
eyes like please not this joke
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again.
They can see it coming.
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Yeah.
Before the kids can, Yeah.
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And so, yeah, just a couple of
dads joking around.
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That's right.
That's right.
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But back to the passion.
Yeah, you do a good job trying
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to do a better job of
connecting.
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I see.
I see.
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With the serving at hand.
Yeah, cuz did you listen to the
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one with the whips and the
chains?
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Cuz cuz I said impact like two
or three times.
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Before.
Before.
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It impacted you, but.
Yeah, that's right.
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So.
Back to the passion, I like
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where you're going with this
passion.
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I did try to look up the whip
guy.
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I could not find him.
Apparently there are several
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Christian knife throwing
ministries.
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So it's I was like, this will be
easy and there's a lot.
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How many Christian knife
throwing ministries can there
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be?
So and the little little one I
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was looking at and this guy, he
would be easy to spot.
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He was like shaved head.
I mean, probably sounds.
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Like a good guy.
To hold on and then comedically
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large mustache, like no beard,
but had like the mustache where
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you could.
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Like he, he, he just like went
into this, like character and he
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was like real tough.
He was like a big guy.
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And I was like, oh, he'll be
easy to find, but I can't find.
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Maybe something happened.
Maybe he kind of like turned in
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or something.
Yeah.
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Maybe so, but did he throw the
knives with passion?
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So much passion, so much
passion, just like Paul had
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passion for his people.
We are looking at Romans 9, one
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through 5 Get.
I know.
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Did you just like, oh, it's
good.
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Yeah.
We're about to get some exciting
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stuff.
So let's go ahead and take it to
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the next level from the hearts
of the low country in South
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Carolina.
It's the Take Two podcast where
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we take theology to the next
level.
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All right, Paul's passion for
his people.
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It's some good alliteration
there that Paul's passion for
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his people got.
Got 3-3 pieces?
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Just pop when you say it.
What a great intro to Roman
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design, because you hear Roman
design kind of like we did
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before the intro.
You don't, maybe don't shudder a
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little bit.
Maybe you you perk up a little
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bit.
Yeah, one of the two if if
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you're, you know, there's some
people are like Romans 9, what's
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the big deal about that?
But then, you know, 60% of the
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listeners, probably if you're
listening to this, you have.
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That's right.
Yeah.
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Some thoughts about Romans 9 in
general.
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Yeah.
But, but Paul kind of not that
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he was like this is chapter 8,
this is Chapter 9.
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Not that he had these chapter
headings, but it it's there,
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there's some context, there's
some build up.
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I mean, we've been following
along in Romans thus far that
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that's definitely part of the
context.
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And then even the immediate
context, he's kind of working
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his way up to this.
I can appreciate that.
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Yeah.
And he, he is passionate and I
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like the fact like this wasn't
part of our banter but it could
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have been part of a banter
because while we were setting up
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I was passionately talking about
this touchdown that the Pats had
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that got called back.
I cannot remember, did the Pats
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win this game or lose this game?
We lost.
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I forgot.
Yeah, lost to the dolphin.
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I gotta take every, every lost
they get.
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They've won too much, you know?
And yeah, so passionate about
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that.
We don't have to get into the
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rules conversation.
Probably it.
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Was pretty technical.
But yeah, it was technical.
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But I'll just say, hey, I
learned.
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I will say this, I learned
something.
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It was called according to the
rules and so I'm not going to
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cry about it.
I may not with the.
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Rule with the implication that
other people cry about rules.
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Maybe like the Tuck rule that
was there before Brady was.
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Ever is a ludicrous, though.
It's a ludicrous.
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Rule and it's gone now it's no
longer.
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On because it is so.
It was so ludicrous.
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Right.
But it was applied fairly in
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that that snow game with Brady
and then, you know, surviving
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the ground past rules.
Well, and we and we can move on
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to something that's less
controversial, like politics.
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Politics, yeah.
People are passionate about
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politics.
We got a, We got a woo.
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Yeah, that was I, I guess she
was just trying to emote
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passion.
Yeah, but you know, some some
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politics, There was some other,
did you say hobbies?
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There was some third category
that I missed.
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It, it, it might, it might have
been hobbies.
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I I can't remember off the top
of my head, but there's a lot of
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things.
Where do you dedicate your time?
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Where do you get passionate
about?
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Yeah, sports I think is sports,
politics are the go to.
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But it could be a number of
things, you know, I know you
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just think about Frodo 24/7.
You and your Hobbit.
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Man, there is so much life
lessons in there.
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You if you mention that, you're
going to get some comment.
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Yeah, but it's so good.
Why can't they?
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Just like, I know this is part
of it.
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Like these names are so fanciful
to me.
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I'm just like you want.
It's ridiculous.
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Yeah.
Fred not.
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Frodo an excellent adventure or
something?
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This proto cracks me up.
I just like the names.
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It's, you know, neither here nor
there, but people get passion.
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I know I was thinking of my my
passions and I was even thinking
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3D printing.
Is a passion for you.
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I used to do a lot of 3D
printing.
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I don't do a lot.
We should that should be like a
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a a Mott tail project, like
maybe with one of the Hawks.
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That that would actually.
Fix the 3D printer.
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You guys, you guys would do
great fixing it, compare.
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Yeah, maybe I learned something
along the way.
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But even evaluating where, where
do you spend your time?
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Because I was like, man, I used
to be a huge sports fan.
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I watch a lot less sports than I
used to just because it's so
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time consuming with parenting
and stuff.
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I was like, man, and I do
sports, you know, in other,
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other ways, but you know.
Fortunately, Sunday afternoons
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is when basically the only time
like.
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Football is the easiest sport to
follow because it's just one
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game a week like basketball.
For your team.
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For your yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah.
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I know some people.
It's like they get the 8 TV's
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out.
It's like I go to work and then
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people are like talking about
all these different college
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games, like how do you live
life?
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Like how do you I I can't keep
up with it.
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Like I see people post about the
Razorbacks.
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We beat Tennessee.
Great.
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Great.
I didn't watch the game because
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I'm I'm doing.
Believe a certain amount of
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hours, but that just highlights
people's passion and call.
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We read these first 5 verses you
see that he cares a lot about
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his fellow Jews.
It's not like we talk about
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things like the problem of evil
which Chapter 9 Chapter 9.
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Three of them kind of is a
Theodosy.
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But Paul is not just divorcing
this emotional.
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Problem.
The word theodosy.
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Yeah, some people may not know
the word theodosy.
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Oh, well, maybe we we can get we
get into it when we do.
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That's good.
This is good.
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This is but, but you see, I
guess if we're talking about
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like the problem of evil or a
problem or a defense he's trying
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to build, he's not just
intellectually doing things,
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he's emotionally addressing it
too.
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Which I, I really appreciate
that 'cause I think, you know,
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Romans 9 get a bad rap for being
aggressive.
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And it's like, wow, look at the
broader picture.
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Here, yeah, no, the the other is
is a big picture.
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And Speaking of the big picture,
Oh yeah, Jensen Graf will will
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throw that up here.
So we are moving from 1 section
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of the Jensen graph to another.
We're on our fourth of five of
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Jensen's major sections in the
book of Romans.
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So leaving chapter 8 going into
Chapter 9 in a new section.
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So first section was sin, second
section salvation, third
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section, sanctification.
Now we're moving into the
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sovereignty of God, and the last
we'll end with service.
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Another way of talking about
those were the need for
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salvation, the way of salvation,
the life of salvation.
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Now we're moving to the scope of
salvation, and then we'll end
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chapters 12 through 16 with
service of salvation.
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And, and you get to chapters 9
through 11 and if you're just
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reading through, you can look at
it and say this is kind of out
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of place.
Like is Paul making a detour
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'cause he could pastor made this
point?
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You could kind of connect
chapter 8 with chapter 12 and it
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would flow.
And it.
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Makes a lot of sense.
And so you're like, this has to
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be important.
This has to be on on his mind,
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like what's going on here?
So I think it's good to look at
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this overall section as well,
you know, multiple sermons in
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this section.
And what what's this all about?
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Why is Paul kind of, you know,
maybe seemingly at first taking
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us off the path to address this?
No, I think that's good.
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And and maybe it's like third or
fourth sub bullet down here, but
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maybe we can give the context of
what we just left at the end of
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chapter 8.
So these are great verses get
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quoted a lot.
I try not to over quote them in
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in worship service.
I haven't quoted them in a long
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time.
It's probably time for me to
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quote again in the next worship
service.
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But 838 through 39 says For I am
convinced that neither death,
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nor life, nor angels, nor
principalities, nor things
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present, nor things to come, nor
powers, nor height, nor depth,
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nor any other created thing will
be able to separate us from the
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love of God which is in Christ
Jesus our Lord.
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So huge, strong, you could go,
you know, right into 12 one.
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But someone may be saying, OK,
if this is true, if God has this
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love that cannot be separated
for those he's called, what
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about the Jews?
Yeah, What's going on?
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Because by the time Paul's
writing, there are some Jews
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that are in the Christian faith.
I mean the the church was all
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Jewish at first, but by this
time it's predominantly Gentile.
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Yeah.
And if you this is like way
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calling it way, way back, the
Church of Rome specifically had
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that, you know, whatever this
edict that says, like Jews, you
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got to get out of here and then
they're allowed back in.
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And so they're kind of mingling
with Gentiles.
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And so this is really a pressing
issue that a lot of people are
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probably asking what's going on.
Paul asked the question earlier
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in Romans, You know, what
advantage is there any advantage
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to being a Jew has God forsaken
his people and and so it would
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be good.
The theme verse of this whole
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entire section.
That's why I would call this
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section like a theodicy.
There's this problem of evil.
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It looks like God has abandoned
the Jews in some sense.
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He's kind of thrown him by the
wayside.
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But Paul and his defense.
He says in nine verse 6, but it
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is not as though the word of God
has failed for not all who are
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descended from Israel belong to
Israel.
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He's gonna really develop this
thought that God, God's word,
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God's plans, they they haven't
been thwarted.
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He hasn't thrown them out.
He's got this master plan and
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it's still good today.
Yep.
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And So what you're gonna see,
and that's why this Jensen gives
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this this title of sovereignty,
is that we're gonna see that God
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sovereignly works in nations.
And I think it it shows that he
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does that by sovereignly working
in the lives of individuals.
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And as he works through the
lives of individuals that shapes
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the outcomes of nations.
And he's going to show how God
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is this is all in God's plan.
And and if you skip ahead to the
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end of the book, we see there's
a plan for Israel to to come
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back in.
But right now you know that that
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that hasn't been written when
Paul's writing this.
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That exactly right.
So we're going to look at verses
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one through 5, this kind of
opening paragraph, not even
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going to get to verse 6, this
theme verse.
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But the way we're looking at the
text today, Pastor Jill has
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broken up into 33 sections. 3
points makes it really hard to
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remember having to do with
Paul's passion.
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And verses one to two we see
Paul is broken hearted.
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In verse 3, he's wholehearted.
And then four and five he's
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stouthearted.
So we can see his passion in
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different ways as he's kind of
teeing things up for this theme
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verse.
It's not like the word of God
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has failed.
You wanna read this paragraph?
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Yeah, yeah.
So I'll read that text that says
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I am telling the truth in
Christ.
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I'm not lying.
My conscience testifies with me
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in the Holy Spirit that I have
great sorrow and unceasing grief
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in my heart.
For I could wish that I myself
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were accursed, separated from
Christ, for the sake of my
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brethren, my kinsmen, according
to the flesh.
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Who are Israelites, to whom
belongs the adoption as sons,
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and the glory, and the
covenants, and the giving of the
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law, and the temple service and
the promises?
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Whose are the fathers, and from
whom is the Christ according to
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the flesh, who is over all?
God bless forever.
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Amen.
So verses 1 and 2, Paul is
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broken hearted and listen, I'll,
I'll read these briefly again,
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but Paul is like he's not
grasping for words, but he's
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saying the same thing several
times, illustrating that man,
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I'm, I'm really trying to be be
straight, straight with
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everyone.
I I'm feeling all of these
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emotions.
He says I'm telling the truth in
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Christ.
I'm not lying.
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My conscience testifies with me
in the Holy Spirit that great
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sorrow, unceasing grief in my
heart.
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He's kind of be laboring this
point that man, this is really
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tough, but it is this is true
stuff.
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I'm going to say.
You can kinda feel that from an
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emotional standpoint.
No, that's good.
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And man to feel this and and he
goes on to say that he wishes
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himself could be a curse.
That's gonna be the next
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section.
But that's that's pretty huge
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that I think that tells how
broken hearted he is for it.
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And we have a couple examples
here of other people who are
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broken hearted.
Jesus weeping over Jerusalem in
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Luke 19.
You know, it's the triumphal
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entry.
He's looking around.
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He knows what's going to happen,
like he knows Jerusalem.
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You're going to be judged, 8070
is going to come.
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There's going to be a lot.
And this is what he says.
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When he approached Jerusalem, he
saw the city, wept over it,
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saying, If you had known in this
day, even you, the things which
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make for peace, but now they
have been hidden from your eyes.
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For the days will come upon you
when your enemies will throw up
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a barricade against you and
surround you and hem you in on
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every side.
And they will level you to the
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ground and your children within
you.
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And they will not leave in you
one stone upon another, because
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you did not recognize the time
of your visitation.
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Big words, but you can feel the
sorrow there.
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Yeah.
So, you know, we, we've got
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these patterns in, in the New
Testament, we see this patterns
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throughout Scripture.
And what one thing Pastor Joel
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does really well is it's not
like he preaches the sermon and
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he applies 3 little points at
the end.
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We're, we're making application
throughout the sermon.
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And it's, it's a good question.
Do you weep for, for the lost?
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You weep for America, for, for
your people?
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Do you weep for the world?
Like, do you have this
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compassion, this heartfelt
broken heartedness?
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And the Prince of Preachers,
Charles Spurgeon, he is just so
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quotable.
I don't, I don't know if it's
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the Britishness, I don't know
what it is, but it's like man
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nails.
It I was thinking that because
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he comes up quite a bit.
All the time.
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We should have some like sound
thing that I can hit over here.
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Every time that you know,
Spurgeon, you know that that
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comes up.
That's probably.
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It it he, he puts it so well, he
says, that a winner of souls
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must first be a weeper of souls.
If sinners be damned, at least
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let them let them leap to hell
over our bodies.
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If they will perish, let them
perish with their arms about
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their knees.
Let no one go there unwarned and
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unpraed.
For so there's, there's this
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effort and action.
But behind that is that you, you
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care about these people.
You're praying for these people.
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You don't want any to, to
perish.
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And we should be working toward
that and not just saying, well,
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it's kind of their fault.
It's, you know, feel that
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emotion behind it.
Joel often will say, you know,
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I'm preaching this to myself.
And I so resonate with that
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because I think sometimes
people, you know, your, your
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average congregant in the Pew
would see someone like Joel or
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Someone Like You and me, who are
often up in front of people and
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they think, oh, they're, they're
doing what God, they're doing
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their part.
And I guess in some sense we
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are.
But it's like, how often am I
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interacting with lost people,
'cause you know, my kids go to a
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private church, a private
school, You know, I'm most of my
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time is spent with either at
church or recording podcasts
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with you.
And I think you're saved could
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be up for debate, for debate,
you know, and then work.
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We're mostly teleworking stuff.
Looks like we're not rubbing
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shoulders and stuff.
It's like, all right, God, how
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do I help me to see opportunity?
Because maybe there's
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opportunity.
I'm sure there's opportunity
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that we're missing on a
day-to-day basis where we go out
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and we make opportunity like we
go to explicitly tell the
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gospel.
But yeah, I, I, I think we
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should be looking for ways in
our lives and how can we be
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this, this type of person that
Charles Spurgeon's calling for?
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Yeah, Jesus could weep and
lament over Jerusalem.
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Sure.
Surely we could too.
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And then Leonard Ravenhill, one
of my favorites.
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Yeah, I mean, comes up just as
much as Charles Spurgeon,
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probably.
Has this great quote.
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Same same kind of idea.
Could a mariner sit idle if he
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heard the drowning cry?
Could a doctor sit in comfort
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and just let his patients die?
Could a fireman sit idle?
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Let me burn and give no hand.
Can you sit at ease and Zion
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with the works around you damned
Yeah, it's kind of the same
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thing.
If it's like your job, this
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Great Commission, can you just
sit and just let let this
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happen?
You should you should feel
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compelled in some way because
you know, if you are a
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sovereignty of God person, you
kind of are left thinking like,
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why me?
I don't deserve this.
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You know, it's almost it's not
that you're better than anyone.
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It's like, man, can we share
this message with everyone that
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that leads me to one of Michael
Mott's favorite people.
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I mean, wow, we were just
talking about, you know, how
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much this person has influenced
our lives.
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And I'm sure if you're a podcast
listener, he's been important to
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your life too.
A man who needs no introduction.
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Oh man, what?
A name Jelly Roll.
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Jelly.
What's his real name, I wonder?
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I know I I've definitely heard
the name.
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I know he's like famous.
That's all I got.
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I might know more of the.
TV.
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I may have heard the name, like
I remember remembering hearing
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the name, but I don't.
If you had told me whose Jelly
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roll today, I would have said I
don't know, that's a person.
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Maybe that's a person.
But apparently he wrote a song
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that became pretty popular, was
in prison for a while.
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And Joel read the lyrics, and
you can look those up yourself.
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But the gist of it was someone
saved me.
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And basically his cry that
someone saved me from myself,
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you know, And am I redeemable?
Can, can, Am I someone who, you
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know, can be saved?
And he goes through all these
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different, you know, lifestyles
that he's lived.
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And it really just demonstrates
people perceive their need for
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some type of rescue.
Doesn't mean he knows where he's
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going to get the rescue from,
but we see the evil, we see our
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sin nature, our condition that
we need help.
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Absolutely.
So wish we could expound more on
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Jelly roll.
That's all.
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That's all we got into that.
That's kind of that first point
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of this paragraph, the pulse
broken hearted.
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You can you can see that
emotion.
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You can feel that emotion moving
on two verse 3 Paul is
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wholehearted.
Verse 3 reads for I could wish
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that I myself were a curse.
Michael alluded to this
447
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separated from Christ for the
sake of my brethren, my kinsman
448
00:21:40,360 --> 00:21:42,960
according to the flesh.
And so he feels this connection.
449
00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:46,920
And when you say things like
accursed separated from Christ
450
00:21:47,120 --> 00:21:48,880
for my brothers that that's
everything.
451
00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:52,840
I mean that that that's about,
that is the strongest statement
452
00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:55,320
you you can put in feeling for
for other people.
453
00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:58,280
He's basically saying I would
sacrifice myself for them.
454
00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:02,280
And you know, you wonder, is
this hyperbole or not?
455
00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:04,600
Because, you know, God has to be
our ultimate love.
456
00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:06,800
So we can't really love his
kinsmen more than God.
457
00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:12,440
But I, I think he's saying, you
know, he really, really, really,
458
00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:13,440
really.
I mean what?
459
00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:16,080
If he would have put that
instead, I really really really
460
00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:17,480
really really really really like
you guys.
461
00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:20,360
Very, very, very, very, you
know, something like that, but.
462
00:22:20,360 --> 00:22:21,480
He's probably getting a lot of
pushback.
463
00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:23,440
Like Paul.
You just all you care about's
464
00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:25,120
the Gentiles.
Yeah.
465
00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:30,200
And so he he's saying, you know,
I, I think maybe he's saying
466
00:22:30,360 --> 00:22:33,200
maybe we take him at safe value.
If I could trade my salvation to
467
00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,320
save all the Jews, boom, I would
do it.
468
00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:38,400
Which would be, oh, that's a
sacrifice.
469
00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:42,440
And, and just like we looked at
this example of, of Jesus for
470
00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:45,920
being broken hearted, we can
look and find examples in the
471
00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:49,200
life of an example in the life
of Moses with with this same
472
00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:51,800
kind of sentiment.
Exodus 32 records.
473
00:22:52,120 --> 00:22:55,120
Then Moses returned to the Lord
and said, alas, his people has
474
00:22:55,120 --> 00:22:58,320
committed a great sin.
They have made a God of gold for
475
00:22:58,320 --> 00:22:59,880
themselves.
But now if you will forgive
476
00:22:59,880 --> 00:23:03,560
their sin and if not, please
blot me out from your book which
477
00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:05,800
you have written.
So it's really the same thing.
478
00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:08,680
Very strong statement, bought me
out of your book.
479
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:12,560
Separate myself from you on
behalf of this people, this
480
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:17,080
great intercessor in the Old
Testament, Moses saying kind of
481
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:18,720
the same thing.
Yeah, and there's this another
482
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:20,120
guy.
You probably not heard of him.
483
00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:22,240
Paul who?
Yeah.
484
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:25,200
Paul.
Yeah, but a different place.
485
00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:30,000
Paul in First Corinthians.
This is a longer passage, but
486
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:32,280
maybe we can summarize these two
passages.
487
00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:35,120
So if you want to read, it's 919
to 27.
488
00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:38,920
But the first part of this
passage, he's basically saying I
489
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:42,160
have become all things to all
people so that I might win some.
490
00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:45,960
That's probably the thesis
sentence out of those verses.
491
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:49,520
It to the law, to those who are
under the law, I've been like
492
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:50,960
that.
To those who are not under the
493
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,760
law, I've been like that to them
so that I may win some.
494
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:55,680
Because he's willing to do
anything for the sake of the
495
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:59,720
gospel.
Then he ends with this idea
496
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:03,880
about, you know, don't you know,
that all run but only one wins
497
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:07,120
the prize run in such a way that
you may win.
498
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,600
You know, I discipline my body.
I box the air, you know, you
499
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:12,920
know, I box so that it's not
just beating the air, but so
500
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,240
that it makes, you know, makes a
difference.
501
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:18,280
So great passage.
Read that, but Paul another
502
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:21,600
place demonstrating his
willingness to, you know, do
503
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:24,040
what it takes to win.
Win some people for the Kingdom.
504
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:28,080
Yeah, now that that is so good
to see that example even in
505
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,520
Paul.
And again, we're kind of moving
506
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:32,960
towards an application middle of
this sermon, like how how do we
507
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:34,600
generate this pastor and where
does it come from?
508
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:36,200
Where's the source?
How do we find it?
509
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:40,560
Pastor Joe List several good
ones, primarily that that
510
00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:43,240
foundation of that passion
really should be the glory of
511
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:47,480
God.
He does a call back to to early
512
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:52,000
on in Romans 1, verses 16 and 17
and really highlights the
513
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,160
importance of of this gospel
message.
514
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,840
I'm talking about prayer last
week being in Second
515
00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,720
Thessalonians, prepping for our
two weeks ago prepping for
516
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:04,120
missions conference conversion.
You can stir it up through
517
00:25:04,120 --> 00:25:07,440
biographies of great
missionaries participating in
518
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,120
things like missions,
conferences, hanging on to
519
00:25:10,120 --> 00:25:13,120
preaching to kind of stir that
up and you and then even looking
520
00:25:13,120 --> 00:25:14,760
to future rewards.
I think sometimes like it's a
521
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:16,880
bad rap, like all you care about
is these rewards.
522
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:20,120
But no, the New Testament
authors use that over and over
523
00:25:20,120 --> 00:25:25,760
as as a good example of where to
where we get this passion to
524
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:27,240
work hard.
Yeah.
525
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,760
And so that kind of closes out
that second section.
526
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:34,240
So now we're on to the third and
final section of these verses,
527
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:39,760
verses 4 through 5, where Paul
is stout hearted and he's going
528
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:41,600
to ask this question really in a
way.
529
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,480
He's going to say who are
Israelites?
530
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,080
So his brethren who are
Israelites and he's going to
531
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:51,440
list all of these privileges
that the Israelites have to whom
532
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:55,920
belongs the adoption of sons and
the glory and the covenants and
533
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:59,320
the giving of the law and the
temple services, service and the
534
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:03,320
promises whose are the father.
So we think of Abraham, Isaac,
535
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:07,240
Jacob, and from whom is the
Christ cause Christ, you know,
536
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,840
descendant of David according to
the flesh, who is over all God
537
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:14,840
bless forever, Amen.
And and the point Joel makes is
538
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:20,040
man, all of these privileges
that these Jews had and yet
539
00:26:20,120 --> 00:26:22,080
they're missing, they're missing
their Messiah.
540
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:25,280
They're missing the fulfillment
of those covenants.
541
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:28,120
They're missing the fulfillment
of that temple service, all of
542
00:26:28,120 --> 00:26:29,800
those things fulfilled in
Christ.
543
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:31,040
And missed it.
Yeah.
544
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,440
All these things point to Christ
over and over.
545
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,720
Can you imagine just going to
the temple, hearing the law,
546
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,360
just that that being just part
of your upbringing and missing
547
00:26:39,360 --> 00:26:40,720
it.
And this is not not the same
548
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:42,160
thing.
But you know, I remember as a
549
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:46,280
there's a lot of times I went to
a Christian university where I
550
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:48,760
went to many a Chapel and did
not appreciate it.
551
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:52,880
And it was like, man, I just was
like, there was not so just
552
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,200
checking a box.
So many things that I went to as
553
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,840
a kids, like man, I just I
missed the whole point.
554
00:26:58,360 --> 00:27:00,040
And so that's not not the same
thing.
555
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:03,360
A little bit of a lesser to the
greater analogy there.
556
00:27:03,360 --> 00:27:06,000
But I think you know, we you can
they're missing, they get it's
557
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,000
like they've not been given
anything amazing things, amazing
558
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,000
privileges and miss it.
And we, you know, look at
559
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,840
different areas and in Paul's
life where you see, you know,
560
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,600
this conviction that it's it's
really only through Christ to be
561
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,080
saved.
He he writes in Romans 10/1
562
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,960
through three still in this 9
through 11 section just a little
563
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:25,320
bit down the road.
He says, brethren, my heart's
564
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:29,200
desire and my prayer to God for
them is for their salvation for
565
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,720
I testify about them that they
have a zeal for God, but not in
566
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:34,720
accordance with knowledge for
not knowing about God's
567
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:36,720
righteousness and seeking to
establish their own.
568
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:40,400
They did not subject themselves
to the righteousness of God.
569
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:44,200
So you kind of again, kind of
see this desire Paul House first
570
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,600
years brother, just how they're
kind of missing the point.
571
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:50,360
Yeah, and I appreciate Pauls not
going to compromise on this like
572
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,280
Jesus is going to be a stumbling
block block for them.
573
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,160
But at the end of the day,
there's no other name by which
574
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,720
people would be saved.
It's through Jesus, through
575
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,000
Jesus alone.
And so Paul, even though he's
576
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,600
grieved, he's broken hearted,
even though, you know, he is
577
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:09,000
wholehearted, he's stouthearted
about where salvation is truly
578
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:14,200
found and it is in Christ.
And you know, Paul could say,
579
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:18,520
you know what, I'm a Jew of Jew.
That's what he lists for us in
580
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,000
Philippians.
I'm going to let you say when I
581
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:25,520
get to the word rubbish, you can
say the word that is that, that
582
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:26,560
should be, you know what I'm
saying.
583
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,600
Yeah, this is this is the
classic Christian's cuss.
584
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:31,880
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
585
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:37,720
But in Philippians 383538 it
says this is Paul circumcise,
586
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,960
the 8th day of the nation of
Israel, of the tribe of
587
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:44,520
Benjamin, probably a relative of
Saul, a Hebrew of Hebrews.
588
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:48,000
As to the law of Pharisee, as to
Zeal, a persecutor of the
589
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:49,360
church, he was right there with
them.
590
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,640
As to the righteousness which is
in the law found blameless.
591
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:57,000
But whatever things were gained
to me, those I've counted as
592
00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:00,200
loss for the sake of Christ.
More than that, I count all
593
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,840
things, not just these, but all
things to be lost in view of the
594
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:08,800
surpassing value of knowing
Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I
595
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:13,200
suffered the loss of all things,
and count them but rubbish, so
596
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,400
that I may gain Christ.
Yeah, you go through these.
597
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,600
I did not go through these one
by one, But as he was reading
598
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:22,000
this, I was like, man, Paul had
social advantages, ethnic
599
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,760
advantages, educational
advantages, religious
600
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:28,600
advantages, like basically every
category he was had an
601
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:31,600
advantage.
But but all that counts counts
602
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,640
as nothing.
And in comparison, it's not good
603
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:35,600
enough.
All of it's trash, all of it's
604
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,160
rubbish, all of it's dung, all
of it's like you said, fill in
605
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:43,560
the blank with whatever
translation there you you have.
606
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:47,000
And then Pastor Joe kind of
transition to this great, great
607
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:51,920
missionary, Hudson Taylor, one
that you know, gets gets a lot
608
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:53,800
got all the plane.
It's got this quote.
609
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,520
I don't know if you want to tee
up the story of this this
610
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:58,800
situation.
Yeah, so basically the situation
611
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,600
was there on a boat.
And I guess there's a friend of
612
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:08,760
his who was a native Chinaman
and he fell off a boat and no
613
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,440
one cared that the bottom line
is no one cared.
614
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:16,280
Like he he jumps in the water
with a a sail, you know, tied to
615
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:17,840
a sail or something.
He's trying to rescue him.
616
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:23,200
And a few yards away, this
fishing boat with a net and he's
617
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,600
like, come over here what would
have taken 5 minutes of their
618
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:26,680
time.
Not a.
619
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,920
Lot come over here, you know,
throw your net help help get
620
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:33,280
this guy up wouldn't do it.
I'll give you money more than
621
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:34,920
what you're going to make today.
Won't do it.
622
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:38,240
I'll give you you know all the
money I have 20 bucks.
623
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,520
I don't have that much for it.
And so like, he's like, just
624
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,320
come over here, like we're here
negotiating and this guy's
625
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:45,720
dying.
So finally they come over, they
626
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,120
get them up, but they try to
resuscitate them.
627
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,120
And even while they're trying to
resuscitate, like give us our
628
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:52,880
money.
And so it's just he reflect on
629
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,720
that because it was, you know,
horrible loss, just a
630
00:30:55,720 --> 00:31:00,920
callousness, But his reflection
was that's kind of how a lot of
631
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:02,720
Christendom is.
We're we're callous to these
632
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,000
people who are perishing and
we're really more concerned
633
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,440
about our own little things that
we have going on in our lives.
634
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,080
And then this quote.
I'll let you read the quote.
635
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:14,000
How to tailor rights to the Lord
Jesus Commands, commands me,
636
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,920
commands you, my brother, and
you my sister, to go, Go ye into
637
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,200
all the world and preach the
gospel to every creature.
638
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:22,200
Shall we say to him, No, it's
not convenient.
639
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,560
Shall we tell them that we're
busy fishing, we can't go, that
640
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:27,640
we bought a piece of ground and
cannot go, that we have
641
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,440
purchased 5 yoke of oxen or have
married her engage and other
642
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:34,080
more interesting pursuits and
cannot go and along we must all
643
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:37,400
appear before the judgment seat
of Christ that everyone may
644
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,840
receive the things done in his
body.
645
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:43,040
There's really not, you know, a
lot of way around it.
646
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:46,080
You are we we talked about it at
the missions conference.
647
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:50,920
You got to, you know, go send
not even in your maybe you're
648
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,160
not going, but you're, you know,
communicating the gospel in your
649
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,120
context.
But any other option that's just
650
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,560
straight disobedience.
And I think I think you're
651
00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:59,960
right.
We can be, we can be callous and
652
00:31:59,960 --> 00:32:02,480
all of that when we kind of take
stock and, and see, you know,
653
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:04,960
what's so important in our lives
that we can't get around to, to
654
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,400
sharing the gospel.
All right, so application #1
655
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,440
pray, pray for your own self to
be broken hearted and
656
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,560
wholehearted.
Going back to that Spurgeon
657
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:16,280
quote, you know, in order to be
a winner of the soul, you
658
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,000
probably had to be a weeper of
the soul.
659
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,880
I have.
We wept before God for our lost
660
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,800
loved ones.
Pray for wisdom and how God
661
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:25,800
would use us in sharing Christ.
Kind of what it's talking about.
662
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,520
You know, you may live a life
where you just don't bump
663
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:32,600
shoulders with a lot of people
that you would think.
664
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:34,840
And so maybe that's it.
Or maybe you bump shoulders with
665
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,440
a lot of people and you're like,
how can I have the courage?
666
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,120
Or you know, how, how can I do
that?
667
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:44,960
So ask for wisdom and then pray
specifically for one or two
668
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:46,240
people as we come to the
holiday.
669
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So pick out a couple people,
pray for them, make them a
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00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:52,920
matter of prayer, bring them
before the Lord. #2 this is
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00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:56,400
emphasized a lot in our church.
Read a good missionary biography
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00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,280
to stir the heart.
I probably haven't read a good
673
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:00,640
biography.
It's probably been a couple
674
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:02,160
years.
I read a couple years ago.
675
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,680
I was like, man, I need to get
one read Adeniron Jetson to the
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00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:07,000
Golden Shore, whatever it's
called.
677
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,560
It's a big old book, but it's
it's easy to read.
678
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:12,200
I I was like, man, I need to.
Did you?
679
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,000
Do it on audible or did you read
that I.
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00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:16,760
Actually read it like a animal,
like, and I'm like, I haven't
681
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:18,880
done that in a long time.
Yeah, it was before I got on the
682
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:22,640
Audible train, so that would be
much easier to just so
683
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,160
convenient when you're driving.
Get a good missionary biography.
684
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,360
You got some good ones you would
like to recommend that you we?
685
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:31,120
We we read with when our older
children were younger.
686
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,640
There is a little green book, I
think it's called Missionaries
687
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:37,520
with the Millers or and it's
just some short stories that are
688
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,520
kind of, I say more digestible.
Like you're reading it and like,
689
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:42,680
Oh, this is a good 10.
This is a good one.
690
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,480
And then you're like, Oh my
goodness, like this got real.
691
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,200
Like I think there was like a
one that talks about an attack
692
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,760
by the Congolese one that's
talking about attack of some
693
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,160
animals.
And you're like, so maybe pre
694
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:58,160
read them and then you'll know
on your child, you know, what's
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age appropriate for them, 'cause
you can get into the middle of
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it.
Like I'm sitting there, we're
697
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:05,200
all bawling, but that's but
that's that's it's a really it
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00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,679
is good because.
It's real life.
699
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,440
This is not a missionary
biography, but what I've done in
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00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,320
the past too, like John Piper's
on some really good like
701
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,560
missionary sketches.
He'll do it at like conferences
702
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,520
and stuff and be like, here's
the life of this Puritan or this
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00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:21,239
missionary.
And he emphasizes a lot.
704
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,920
He's very involved with this
thing called cross con, which
705
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,719
they talk for young people to
consider missions, that kind of
706
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:27,920
thing.
And he's there's a lot of
707
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,120
information that way too.
So I think I think that's good.
708
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,000
Hang around this kind of people,
talk about this kind of things.
709
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:36,159
In your heart will be stirred.
Consider joining an outreach
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00:34:36,159 --> 00:34:40,560
team #3 that's probably
specifically for CBC.
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00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,760
Your church may not have an
outreach team, but are you on
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00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:44,320
the outreach?
Team.
713
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:48,960
OK, I'm not either.
So, but we have quite a bit of
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00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:52,400
other activities, but I know
that they plan, They help plan
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00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:56,239
mission trips, help plan
missions conference, they help
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00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:01,200
plan, you know, evangelical
outings, evangelism outings.
717
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,280
So maybe if your church doesn't
have something like that, maybe
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00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:06,840
you go to your pastor, your
elders or someone and say, hey,
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00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,760
I'm interested in starting, you
know, maybe an outreach group
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where we kind of talk about how
we can further evangelism.
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Now that that's great and then
we're in this new section of
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Romans theme verse for this
section.
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It's not as though the word of
God has failed.
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Go ahead and read 19 and 11.
Get that kind of big picture
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00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,080
view of what's Paul going to be
talking about, How's his
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00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:30,280
argumentation going to flow?
But those are some good, good
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00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:34,840
applications, man.
What there's a lot to think
728
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,680
about, you know, coming out of
missions conference, it's I
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think I know my heart has been
stirred and it's like, man, what
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are, you know, how can we apply
these things?
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You got any anything else?
No, that's.
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Good, awesome.
Well, thanks for hanging in
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there with us.
That's our take.
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Thanks for listening to Take
Two.
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Find us wherever you find
podcasts and on YouTube for
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those who want to watch our
video cast.
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All right, Zach.
Yeah, Michael.
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I I kind of thought we were
partners and I said like we had
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our each other's backs.
Oh no.
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But I was listening to one of
our recent broadcasts, yeah,
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broadcast podcast, and man, I
really mangled a verse.
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And you know, I thought you
would be there to like, hey
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Michael, I know you know this
verse better.
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I should be on hair sealer.
Yeah, that's true.
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I Yeah.
So I I feel like I should redeem
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myself and quote it right now.
Yeah.
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Ephesians 28 and 9/4.
By grace you have been saved
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through faith and that not of
yourselves.
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It's a gift of God, not a result
of works, so that no man may
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boast.
Boom.
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Yeah, so it is 'cause I said
when I was just going through
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fast and I didn't catch it, I
said by grace and not through
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faces, something like that.
So I listened to that and I was
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like.
It's like, oh I meant the exact
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opposite in light of our bonus
solo episodes could be
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confusing.
Could be so, yeah.
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So permission, whenever you hear
me just mangle a verse.
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You can say, hey, let's, let's
give that one more shot.
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Or something.
I'll get the proverbial red pen
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of your arch nemesis, Mr. B, and
I'll.
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Just red pen, red pen, that that
that verse.
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But man, but you said that verse
with such passion.
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It was passionately wrong, yeah.
But that's good, you know, we
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even, even we make mistakes.
That's right.
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We can.
We can make mistakes.
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Yeah, I hear them when I'm
producing it.
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I'm like, I hope that goes by
fast.
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And people don't know this, you
know, occasional missteps.
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There's something about.
I think everyone relates to this
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in some capacity.
There's something about just
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like listening to yourself back
on repeat where I hear the
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podcast, I'm like, oh, I want to
hear how this went.
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Like I kind of don't want to
hear or it's like just like Fast
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forward through this.
Well, I generally think we're
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funny.
Like I listen to it and I laugh
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and my wife looks at me
laughing.
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She's like, you really enjoy
your own podcast?
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I might.
Well, I, I guess I do.
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I mean, I guess that's a good
thing.
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If if I if if you like really
hated it, that would be bad if.
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You're like, get that this is
just the worst.
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And, and we, we picked up a new
listener.
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Apparently you you helped her
find our podcast, Jess Petters.
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Oh, and she said she she thinks
we're pretty funny, but she
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wonders if that's just because
she knows us.
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You know, if someone you know
who doesn't know us and you just
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hear two guys you know yuckin it
up, you know, maybe.
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That's true.
I I always I 'cause I think my
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kids genuinely think I'm funny,
but sometimes I'm on like dad
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joke mode and kids are laughing.
Most time wife is laughing but
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sometimes wife's like what are
we doing here?
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Sometimes wife's rolling her
eyes like please not this joke
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again.
They can see it coming.
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Yeah.
Before the kids can, Yeah.
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And so, yeah, just a couple of
dads joking around.
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That's right.
That's right.
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But back to the passion.
Yeah, you do a good job trying
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to do a better job of
connecting.
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I see.
I see.
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With the serving at hand.
Yeah, cuz did you listen to the
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one with the whips and the
chains?
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Cuz cuz I said impact like two
or three times.
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Before.
Before.
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It impacted you, but.
Yeah, that's right.
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So.
Back to the passion, I like
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where you're going with this
passion.
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I did try to look up the whip
guy.
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I could not find him.
Apparently there are several
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Christian knife throwing
ministries.
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So it's I was like, this will be
easy and there's a lot.
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How many Christian knife
throwing ministries can there
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be?
So and the little little one I
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was looking at and this guy, he
would be easy to spot.
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He was like shaved head.
I mean, probably sounds.
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Like a good guy.
To hold on and then comedically
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large mustache, like no beard,
but had like the mustache where
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you could.
Yeah, yes.
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Like he, he, he just like went
into this, like character and he
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was like real tough.
He was like a big guy.
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And I was like, oh, he'll be
easy to find, but I can't find.
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Maybe something happened.
Maybe he kind of like turned in
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or something.
Yeah.
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Maybe so, but did he throw the
knives with passion?
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So much passion, so much
passion, just like Paul had
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passion for his people.
We are looking at Romans 9, one
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through 5 Get.
I know.
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Did you just like, oh, it's
good.
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Yeah.
We're about to get some exciting
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stuff.
So let's go ahead and take it to
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the next level from the hearts
of the low country in South
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Carolina.
It's the Take Two podcast where
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we take theology to the next
level.
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All right, Paul's passion for
his people.
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It's some good alliteration
there that Paul's passion for
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his people got.
Got 3-3 pieces?
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Just pop when you say it.
What a great intro to Roman
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design, because you hear Roman
design kind of like we did
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before the intro.
You don't, maybe don't shudder a
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little bit.
Maybe you you perk up a little
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bit.
Yeah, one of the two if if
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you're, you know, there's some
people are like Romans 9, what's
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the big deal about that?
But then, you know, 60% of the
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listeners, probably if you're
listening to this, you have.
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That's right.
Yeah.
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Some thoughts about Romans 9 in
general.
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Yeah.
But, but Paul kind of not that
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he was like this is chapter 8,
this is Chapter 9.
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Not that he had these chapter
headings, but it it's there,
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there's some context, there's
some build up.
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I mean, we've been following
along in Romans thus far that
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that's definitely part of the
context.
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And then even the immediate
context, he's kind of working
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his way up to this.
I can appreciate that.
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Yeah.
And he, he is passionate and I
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like the fact like this wasn't
part of our banter but it could
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have been part of a banter
because while we were setting up
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I was passionately talking about
this touchdown that the Pats had
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that got called back.
I cannot remember, did the Pats
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win this game or lose this game?
We lost.
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I forgot.
Yeah, lost to the dolphin.
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I gotta take every, every lost
they get.
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They've won too much, you know?
And yeah, so passionate about
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that.
We don't have to get into the
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rules conversation.
Probably it.
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Was pretty technical.
But yeah, it was technical.
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But I'll just say, hey, I
learned.
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I will say this, I learned
something.
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It was called according to the
rules and so I'm not going to
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cry about it.
I may not with the.
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Rule with the implication that
other people cry about rules.
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Maybe like the Tuck rule that
was there before Brady was.
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Ever is a ludicrous, though.
It's a ludicrous.
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Rule and it's gone now it's no
longer.
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On because it is so.
It was so ludicrous.
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Right.
But it was applied fairly in
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that that snow game with Brady
and then, you know, surviving
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the ground past rules.
Well, and we and we can move on
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to something that's less
controversial, like politics.
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Politics, yeah.
People are passionate about
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politics.
We got a, We got a woo.
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Yeah, that was I, I guess she
was just trying to emote
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passion.
Yeah, but you know, some some
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politics, There was some other,
did you say hobbies?
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There was some third category
that I missed.
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It, it, it might, it might have
been hobbies.
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I I can't remember off the top
of my head, but there's a lot of
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things.
Where do you dedicate your time?
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Where do you get passionate
about?
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Yeah, sports I think is sports,
politics are the go to.
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But it could be a number of
things, you know, I know you
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just think about Frodo 24/7.
You and your Hobbit.
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Man, there is so much life
lessons in there.
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You if you mention that, you're
going to get some comment.
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Yeah, but it's so good.
Why can't they?
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Just like, I know this is part
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Like these names are so fanciful
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I'm just like you want.
It's ridiculous.
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Yeah.
Fred not.
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Frodo an excellent adventure or
something?
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This proto cracks me up.
I just like the names.
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It's, you know, neither here nor
there, but people get passion.
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I know I was thinking of my my
passions and I was even thinking
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3D printing.
Is a passion for you.
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I used to do a lot of 3D
printing.
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I don't do a lot.
We should that should be like a
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a a Mott tail project, like
maybe with one of the Hawks.
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That that would actually.
Fix the 3D printer.
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You guys, you guys would do
great fixing it, compare.
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Yeah, maybe I learned something
along the way.
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But even evaluating where, where
do you spend your time?
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Because I was like, man, I used
to be a huge sports fan.
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I watch a lot less sports than I
used to just because it's so
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time consuming with parenting
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I was like, man, and I do
sports, you know, in other,
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other ways, but you know.
Fortunately, Sunday afternoons
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is when basically the only time
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Football is the easiest sport to
follow because it's just one
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game a week like basketball.
For your team.
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For your yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
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I know some people.
It's like they get the 8 TV's
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out.
It's like I go to work and then
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people are like talking about
all these different college
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games, like how do you live
life?
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Like how do you I I can't keep
up with it.
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Like I see people post about the
Razorbacks.
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We beat Tennessee.
Great.
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Great.
I didn't watch the game because
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I'm I'm doing.
Believe a certain amount of
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hours, but that just highlights
people's passion and call.
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We read these first 5 verses you
see that he cares a lot about
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his fellow Jews.
It's not like we talk about
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things like the problem of evil
which Chapter 9 Chapter 9.
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Three of them kind of is a
Theodosy.
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But Paul is not just divorcing
this emotional.
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Problem.
The word theodosy.
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Yeah, some people may not know
the word theodosy.
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Oh, well, maybe we we can get we
get into it when we do.
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That's good.
This is good.
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This is but, but you see, I
guess if we're talking about
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like the problem of evil or a
problem or a defense he's trying
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to build, he's not just
intellectually doing things,
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he's emotionally addressing it
too.
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Which I, I really appreciate
that 'cause I think, you know,
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Romans 9 get a bad rap for being
aggressive.
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And it's like, wow, look at the
broader picture.
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Here, yeah, no, the the other is
is a big picture.
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And Speaking of the big picture,
Oh yeah, Jensen Graf will will
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throw that up here.
So we are moving from 1 section
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of the Jensen graph to another.
We're on our fourth of five of
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Jensen's major sections in the
book of Romans.
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So leaving chapter 8 going into
Chapter 9 in a new section.
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So first section was sin, second
section salvation, third
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section, sanctification.
Now we're moving into the
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sovereignty of God, and the last
we'll end with service.
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Another way of talking about
those were the need for
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salvation, the way of salvation,
the life of salvation.
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Now we're moving to the scope of
salvation, and then we'll end
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chapters 12 through 16 with
service of salvation.
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And, and you get to chapters 9
through 11 and if you're just
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reading through, you can look at
it and say this is kind of out
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of place.
Like is Paul making a detour
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'cause he could pastor made this
point?
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You could kind of connect
chapter 8 with chapter 12 and it
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would flow.
And it.
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Makes a lot of sense.
And so you're like, this has to
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be important.
This has to be on on his mind,
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like what's going on here?
So I think it's good to look at
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this overall section as well,
you know, multiple sermons in
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this section.
And what what's this all about?
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Why is Paul kind of, you know,
maybe seemingly at first taking
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us off the path to address this?
No, I think that's good.
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And and maybe it's like third or
fourth sub bullet down here, but
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maybe we can give the context of
what we just left at the end of
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chapter 8.
So these are great verses get
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quoted a lot.
I try not to over quote them in
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in worship service.
I haven't quoted them in a long
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time.
It's probably time for me to
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quote again in the next worship
service.
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But 838 through 39 says For I am
convinced that neither death,
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nor life, nor angels, nor
principalities, nor things
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present, nor things to come, nor
powers, nor height, nor depth,
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nor any other created thing will
be able to separate us from the
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love of God which is in Christ
Jesus our Lord.
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So huge, strong, you could go,
you know, right into 12 one.
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But someone may be saying, OK,
if this is true, if God has this
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love that cannot be separated
for those he's called, what
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about the Jews?
Yeah, What's going on?
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Because by the time Paul's
writing, there are some Jews
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that are in the Christian faith.
I mean the the church was all
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Jewish at first, but by this
time it's predominantly Gentile.
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Yeah.
And if you this is like way
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calling it way, way back, the
Church of Rome specifically had
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that, you know, whatever this
edict that says, like Jews, you
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got to get out of here and then
they're allowed back in.
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with Gentiles.
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And so this is really a pressing
issue that a lot of people are
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probably asking what's going on.
Paul asked the question earlier
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in Romans, You know, what
advantage is there any advantage
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to being a Jew has God forsaken
his people and and so it would
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be good.
The theme verse of this whole
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entire section.
That's why I would call this
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section like a theodicy.
There's this problem of evil.
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It looks like God has abandoned
the Jews in some sense.
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He's kind of thrown him by the
wayside.
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But Paul and his defense.
He says in nine verse 6, but it
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is not as though the word of God
has failed for not all who are
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descended from Israel belong to
Israel.
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He's gonna really develop this
thought that God, God's word,
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God's plans, they they haven't
been thwarted.
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He hasn't thrown them out.
He's got this master plan and
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it's still good today.
Yep.
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And So what you're gonna see,
and that's why this Jensen gives
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this this title of sovereignty,
is that we're gonna see that God
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sovereignly works in nations.
And I think it it shows that he
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does that by sovereignly working
in the lives of individuals.
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And as he works through the
lives of individuals that shapes
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the outcomes of nations.
And he's going to show how God
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is this is all in God's plan.
And and if you skip ahead to the
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end of the book, we see there's
a plan for Israel to to come
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back in.
But right now you know that that
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that hasn't been written when
Paul's writing this.
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That exactly right.
So we're going to look at verses
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one through 5, this kind of
opening paragraph, not even
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going to get to verse 6, this
theme verse.
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But the way we're looking at the
text today, Pastor Jill has
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broken up into 33 sections. 3
points makes it really hard to
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remember having to do with
Paul's passion.
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And verses one to two we see
Paul is broken hearted.
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In verse 3, he's wholehearted.
And then four and five he's
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stouthearted.
So we can see his passion in
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different ways as he's kind of
teeing things up for this theme
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verse.
It's not like the word of God
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has failed.
You wanna read this paragraph?
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Yeah, yeah.
So I'll read that text that says
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I am telling the truth in
Christ.
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I'm not lying.
My conscience testifies with me
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in the Holy Spirit that I have
great sorrow and unceasing grief
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in my heart.
For I could wish that I myself
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were accursed, separated from
Christ, for the sake of my
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brethren, my kinsmen, according
to the flesh.
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Who are Israelites, to whom
belongs the adoption as sons,
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and the glory, and the
covenants, and the giving of the
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law, and the temple service and
the promises?
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Whose are the fathers, and from
whom is the Christ according to
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the flesh, who is over all?
God bless forever.
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Amen.
So verses 1 and 2, Paul is
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broken hearted and listen, I'll,
I'll read these briefly again,
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but Paul is like he's not
grasping for words, but he's
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saying the same thing several
times, illustrating that man,
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I'm, I'm really trying to be be
straight, straight with
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everyone.
I I'm feeling all of these
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emotions.
He says I'm telling the truth in
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Christ.
I'm not lying.
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My conscience testifies with me
in the Holy Spirit that great
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sorrow, unceasing grief in my
heart.
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He's kind of be laboring this
point that man, this is really
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tough, but it is this is true
stuff.
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I'm going to say.
You can kinda feel that from an
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emotional standpoint.
No, that's good.
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And man to feel this and and he
goes on to say that he wishes
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himself could be a curse.
That's gonna be the next
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section.
But that's that's pretty huge
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that I think that tells how
broken hearted he is for it.
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And we have a couple examples
here of other people who are
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broken hearted.
Jesus weeping over Jerusalem in
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Luke 19.
You know, it's the triumphal
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entry.
He's looking around.
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He knows what's going to happen,
like he knows Jerusalem.
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You're going to be judged, 8070
is going to come.
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There's going to be a lot.
And this is what he says.
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When he approached Jerusalem, he
saw the city, wept over it,
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saying, If you had known in this
day, even you, the things which
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make for peace, but now they
have been hidden from your eyes.
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For the days will come upon you
when your enemies will throw up
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a barricade against you and
surround you and hem you in on
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every side.
And they will level you to the
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ground and your children within
you.
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And they will not leave in you
one stone upon another, because
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you did not recognize the time
of your visitation.
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Big words, but you can feel the
sorrow there.
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Yeah.
So, you know, we, we've got
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these patterns in, in the New
Testament, we see this patterns
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throughout Scripture.
And what one thing Pastor Joel
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does really well is it's not
like he preaches the sermon and
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he applies 3 little points at
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We're, we're making application
throughout the sermon.
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And it's, it's a good question.
Do you weep for, for the lost?
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You weep for America, for, for
your people?
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Do you weep for the world?
Like, do you have this
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compassion, this heartfelt
broken heartedness?
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And the Prince of Preachers,
Charles Spurgeon, he is just so
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quotable.
I don't, I don't know if it's
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the Britishness, I don't know
what it is, but it's like man
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nails.
It I was thinking that because
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he comes up quite a bit.
All the time.
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We should have some like sound
thing that I can hit over here.
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Every time that you know,
Spurgeon, you know that that
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comes up.
That's probably.
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It it he, he puts it so well, he
says, that a winner of souls
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must first be a weeper of souls.
If sinners be damned, at least
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let them let them leap to hell
over our bodies.
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If they will perish, let them
perish with their arms about
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their knees.
Let no one go there unwarned and
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unpraed.
For so there's, there's this
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effort and action.
But behind that is that you, you
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care about these people.
You're praying for these people.
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You don't want any to, to
perish.
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And we should be working toward
that and not just saying, well,
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it's kind of their fault.
It's, you know, feel that
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emotion behind it.
Joel often will say, you know,
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I'm preaching this to myself.
And I so resonate with that
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because I think sometimes
people, you know, your, your
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average congregant in the Pew
would see someone like Joel or
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Someone Like You and me, who are
often up in front of people and
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they think, oh, they're, they're
doing what God, they're doing
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their part.
And I guess in some sense we
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are.
But it's like, how often am I
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interacting with lost people,
'cause you know, my kids go to a
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private church, a private
school, You know, I'm most of my
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time is spent with either at
church or recording podcasts
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with you.
And I think you're saved could
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be up for debate, for debate,
you know, and then work.
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We're mostly teleworking stuff.
Looks like we're not rubbing
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shoulders and stuff.
It's like, all right, God, how
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do I help me to see opportunity?
Because maybe there's
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opportunity.
I'm sure there's opportunity
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that we're missing on a
day-to-day basis where we go out
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and we make opportunity like we
go to explicitly tell the
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gospel.
But yeah, I, I, I think we
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should be looking for ways in
our lives and how can we be
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this, this type of person that
Charles Spurgeon's calling for?
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Yeah, Jesus could weep and
lament over Jerusalem.
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Sure.
Surely we could too.
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And then Leonard Ravenhill, one
of my favorites.
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Yeah, I mean, comes up just as
much as Charles Spurgeon,
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probably.
Has this great quote.
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Same same kind of idea.
Could a mariner sit idle if he
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heard the drowning cry?
Could a doctor sit in comfort
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and just let his patients die?
Could a fireman sit idle?
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Let me burn and give no hand.
Can you sit at ease and Zion
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with the works around you damned
Yeah, it's kind of the same
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thing.
If it's like your job, this
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Great Commission, can you just
sit and just let let this
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happen?
You should you should feel
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compelled in some way because
you know, if you are a
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sovereignty of God person, you
kind of are left thinking like,
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why me?
I don't deserve this.
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You know, it's almost it's not
that you're better than anyone.
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It's like, man, can we share
this message with everyone that
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that leads me to one of Michael
Mott's favorite people.
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I mean, wow, we were just
talking about, you know, how
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much this person has influenced
our lives.
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And I'm sure if you're a podcast
listener, he's been important to
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your life too.
A man who needs no introduction.
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Oh man, what?
A name Jelly Roll.
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Jelly.
What's his real name, I wonder?
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I know I I've definitely heard
the name.
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I know he's like famous.
That's all I got.
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I might know more of the.
TV.
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I may have heard the name, like
I remember remembering hearing
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the name, but I don't.
If you had told me whose Jelly
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roll today, I would have said I
don't know, that's a person.
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Maybe that's a person.
But apparently he wrote a song
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that became pretty popular, was
in prison for a while.
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And Joel read the lyrics, and
you can look those up yourself.
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But the gist of it was someone
saved me.
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And basically his cry that
someone saved me from myself,
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you know, And am I redeemable?
Can, can, Am I someone who, you
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know, can be saved?
And he goes through all these
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different, you know, lifestyles
that he's lived.
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And it really just demonstrates
people perceive their need for
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some type of rescue.
Doesn't mean he knows where he's
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going to get the rescue from,
but we see the evil, we see our
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sin nature, our condition that
we need help.
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Absolutely.
So wish we could expound more on
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Jelly roll.
That's all.
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That's all we got into that.
That's kind of that first point
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of this paragraph, the pulse
broken hearted.
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You can you can see that
emotion.
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You can feel that emotion moving
on two verse 3 Paul is
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wholehearted.
Verse 3 reads for I could wish
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that I myself were a curse.
Michael alluded to this
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separated from Christ for the
sake of my brethren, my kinsman
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according to the flesh.
And so he feels this connection.
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And when you say things like
accursed separated from Christ
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for my brothers that that's
everything.
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I mean that that that's about,
that is the strongest statement
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you you can put in feeling for
for other people.
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He's basically saying I would
sacrifice myself for them.
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And you know, you wonder, is
this hyperbole or not?
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Because, you know, God has to be
our ultimate love.
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So we can't really love his
kinsmen more than God.
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But I, I think he's saying, you
know, he really, really, really,
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really.
I mean what?
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If he would have put that
instead, I really really really
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really really really really like
you guys.
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Very, very, very, very, you
know, something like that, but.
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He's probably getting a lot of
pushback.
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Like Paul.
You just all you care about's
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the Gentiles.
Yeah.
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And so he he's saying, you know,
I, I think maybe he's saying
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maybe we take him at safe value.
If I could trade my salvation to
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save all the Jews, boom, I would
do it.
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Which would be, oh, that's a
sacrifice.
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And, and just like we looked at
this example of, of Jesus for
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being broken hearted, we can
look and find examples in the
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life of an example in the life
of Moses with with this same
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kind of sentiment.
Exodus 32 records.
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Then Moses returned to the Lord
and said, alas, his people has
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committed a great sin.
They have made a God of gold for
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themselves.
But now if you will forgive
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their sin and if not, please
blot me out from your book which
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you have written.
So it's really the same thing.
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Very strong statement, bought me
out of your book.
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Separate myself from you on
behalf of this people, this
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great intercessor in the Old
Testament, Moses saying kind of
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the same thing.
Yeah, and there's this another
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guy.
You probably not heard of him.
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Paul who?
Yeah.
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Paul.
Yeah, but a different place.
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Paul in First Corinthians.
This is a longer passage, but
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maybe we can summarize these two
passages.
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So if you want to read, it's 919
to 27.
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But the first part of this
passage, he's basically saying I
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have become all things to all
people so that I might win some.
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That's probably the thesis
sentence out of those verses.
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It to the law, to those who are
under the law, I've been like
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that.
To those who are not under the
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law, I've been like that to them
so that I may win some.
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Because he's willing to do
anything for the sake of the
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gospel.
Then he ends with this idea
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about, you know, don't you know,
that all run but only one wins
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the prize run in such a way that
you may win.
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You know, I discipline my body.
I box the air, you know, you
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know, I box so that it's not
just beating the air, but so
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that it makes, you know, makes a
difference.
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00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:18,280
So great passage.
Read that, but Paul another
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place demonstrating his
willingness to, you know, do
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what it takes to win.
Win some people for the Kingdom.
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00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:28,080
Yeah, now that that is so good
to see that example even in
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Paul.
And again, we're kind of moving
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towards an application middle of
this sermon, like how how do we
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00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:34,600
generate this pastor and where
does it come from?
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00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:36,200
Where's the source?
How do we find it?
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00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:40,560
Pastor Joe List several good
ones, primarily that that
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foundation of that passion
really should be the glory of
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God.
He does a call back to to early
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on in Romans 1, verses 16 and 17
and really highlights the
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importance of of this gospel
message.
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I'm talking about prayer last
week being in Second
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00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,720
Thessalonians, prepping for our
two weeks ago prepping for
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00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:04,120
missions conference conversion.
You can stir it up through
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00:25:04,120 --> 00:25:07,440
biographies of great
missionaries participating in
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00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,120
things like missions,
conferences, hanging on to
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00:25:10,120 --> 00:25:13,120
preaching to kind of stir that
up and you and then even looking
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00:25:13,120 --> 00:25:14,760
to future rewards.
I think sometimes like it's a
521
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:16,880
bad rap, like all you care about
is these rewards.
522
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:20,120
But no, the New Testament
authors use that over and over
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00:25:20,120 --> 00:25:25,760
as as a good example of where to
where we get this passion to
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00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:27,240
work hard.
Yeah.
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00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,760
And so that kind of closes out
that second section.
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So now we're on to the third and
final section of these verses,
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verses 4 through 5, where Paul
is stout hearted and he's going
528
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:41,600
to ask this question really in a
way.
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00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,480
He's going to say who are
Israelites?
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00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,080
So his brethren who are
Israelites and he's going to
531
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:51,440
list all of these privileges
that the Israelites have to whom
532
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:55,920
belongs the adoption of sons and
the glory and the covenants and
533
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:59,320
the giving of the law and the
temple services, service and the
534
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:03,320
promises whose are the father.
So we think of Abraham, Isaac,
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00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:07,240
Jacob, and from whom is the
Christ cause Christ, you know,
536
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,840
descendant of David according to
the flesh, who is over all God
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00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:14,840
bless forever, Amen.
And and the point Joel makes is
538
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:20,040
man, all of these privileges
that these Jews had and yet
539
00:26:20,120 --> 00:26:22,080
they're missing, they're missing
their Messiah.
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00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:25,280
They're missing the fulfillment
of those covenants.
541
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They're missing the fulfillment
of that temple service, all of
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00:26:28,120 --> 00:26:29,800
those things fulfilled in
Christ.
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00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:31,040
And missed it.
Yeah.
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All these things point to Christ
over and over.
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00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,720
Can you imagine just going to
the temple, hearing the law,
546
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,360
just that that being just part
of your upbringing and missing
547
00:26:39,360 --> 00:26:40,720
it.
And this is not not the same
548
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:42,160
thing.
But you know, I remember as a
549
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:46,280
there's a lot of times I went to
a Christian university where I
550
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:48,760
went to many a Chapel and did
not appreciate it.
551
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:52,880
And it was like, man, I just was
like, there was not so just
552
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,200
checking a box.
So many things that I went to as
553
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,840
a kids, like man, I just I
missed the whole point.
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00:26:58,360 --> 00:27:00,040
And so that's not not the same
thing.
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00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:03,360
A little bit of a lesser to the
greater analogy there.
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00:27:03,360 --> 00:27:06,000
But I think you know, we you can
they're missing, they get it's
557
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,000
like they've not been given
anything amazing things, amazing
558
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,000
privileges and miss it.
And we, you know, look at
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different areas and in Paul's
life where you see, you know,
560
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,600
this conviction that it's it's
really only through Christ to be
561
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,080
saved.
He he writes in Romans 10/1
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00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,960
through three still in this 9
through 11 section just a little
563
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:25,320
bit down the road.
He says, brethren, my heart's
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00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:29,200
desire and my prayer to God for
them is for their salvation for
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00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,720
I testify about them that they
have a zeal for God, but not in
566
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:34,720
accordance with knowledge for
not knowing about God's
567
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:36,720
righteousness and seeking to
establish their own.
568
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:40,400
They did not subject themselves
to the righteousness of God.
569
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:44,200
So you kind of again, kind of
see this desire Paul House first
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00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,600
years brother, just how they're
kind of missing the point.
571
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:50,360
Yeah, and I appreciate Pauls not
going to compromise on this like
572
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,280
Jesus is going to be a stumbling
block block for them.
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00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,160
But at the end of the day,
there's no other name by which
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people would be saved.
It's through Jesus, through
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Jesus alone.
And so Paul, even though he's
576
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,600
grieved, he's broken hearted,
even though, you know, he is
577
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:09,000
wholehearted, he's stouthearted
about where salvation is truly
578
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:14,200
found and it is in Christ.
And you know, Paul could say,
579
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:18,520
you know what, I'm a Jew of Jew.
That's what he lists for us in
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00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,000
Philippians.
I'm going to let you say when I
581
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:25,520
get to the word rubbish, you can
say the word that is that, that
582
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:26,560
should be, you know what I'm
saying.
583
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,600
Yeah, this is this is the
classic Christian's cuss.
584
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:31,880
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
585
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:37,720
But in Philippians 383538 it
says this is Paul circumcise,
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00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,960
the 8th day of the nation of
Israel, of the tribe of
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00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:44,520
Benjamin, probably a relative of
Saul, a Hebrew of Hebrews.
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As to the law of Pharisee, as to
Zeal, a persecutor of the
589
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:49,360
church, he was right there with
them.
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00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,640
As to the righteousness which is
in the law found blameless.
591
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:57,000
But whatever things were gained
to me, those I've counted as
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00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:00,200
loss for the sake of Christ.
More than that, I count all
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00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,840
things, not just these, but all
things to be lost in view of the
594
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:08,800
surpassing value of knowing
Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I
595
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:13,200
suffered the loss of all things,
and count them but rubbish, so
596
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,400
that I may gain Christ.
Yeah, you go through these.
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00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,600
I did not go through these one
by one, But as he was reading
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00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:22,000
this, I was like, man, Paul had
social advantages, ethnic
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00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,760
advantages, educational
advantages, religious
600
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:28,600
advantages, like basically every
category he was had an
601
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:31,600
advantage.
But but all that counts counts
602
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,640
as nothing.
And in comparison, it's not good
603
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:35,600
enough.
All of it's trash, all of it's
604
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,160
rubbish, all of it's dung, all
of it's like you said, fill in
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00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:43,560
the blank with whatever
translation there you you have.
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And then Pastor Joe kind of
transition to this great, great
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missionary, Hudson Taylor, one
that you know, gets gets a lot
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got all the plane.
It's got this quote.
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I don't know if you want to tee
up the story of this this
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situation.
Yeah, so basically the situation
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was there on a boat.
And I guess there's a friend of
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his who was a native Chinaman
and he fell off a boat and no
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one cared that the bottom line
is no one cared.
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Like he he jumps in the water
with a a sail, you know, tied to
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a sail or something.
He's trying to rescue him.
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And a few yards away, this
fishing boat with a net and he's
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like, come over here what would
have taken 5 minutes of their
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time.
Not a.
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Lot come over here, you know,
throw your net help help get
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this guy up wouldn't do it.
I'll give you money more than
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what you're going to make today.
Won't do it.
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I'll give you you know all the
money I have 20 bucks.
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I don't have that much for it.
And so like, he's like, just
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come over here, like we're here
negotiating and this guy's
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dying.
So finally they come over, they
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get them up, but they try to
resuscitate them.
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And even while they're trying to
resuscitate, like give us our
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money.
And so it's just he reflect on
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that because it was, you know,
horrible loss, just a
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callousness, But his reflection
was that's kind of how a lot of
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Christendom is.
We're we're callous to these
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people who are perishing and
we're really more concerned
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about our own little things that
we have going on in our lives.
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And then this quote.
I'll let you read the quote.
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How to tailor rights to the Lord
Jesus Commands, commands me,
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commands you, my brother, and
you my sister, to go, Go ye into
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all the world and preach the
gospel to every creature.
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Shall we say to him, No, it's
not convenient.
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Shall we tell them that we're
busy fishing, we can't go, that
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we bought a piece of ground and
cannot go, that we have
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00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,440
purchased 5 yoke of oxen or have
married her engage and other
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more interesting pursuits and
cannot go and along we must all
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appear before the judgment seat
of Christ that everyone may
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receive the things done in his
body.
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00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:43,040
There's really not, you know, a
lot of way around it.
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You are we we talked about it at
the missions conference.
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You got to, you know, go send
not even in your maybe you're
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not going, but you're, you know,
communicating the gospel in your
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context.
But any other option that's just
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straight disobedience.
And I think I think you're
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right.
We can be, we can be callous and
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all of that when we kind of take
stock and, and see, you know,
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00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:04,960
what's so important in our lives
that we can't get around to, to
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sharing the gospel.
All right, so application #1
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pray, pray for your own self to
be broken hearted and
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wholehearted.
Going back to that Spurgeon
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quote, you know, in order to be
a winner of the soul, you
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probably had to be a weeper of
the soul.
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I have.
We wept before God for our lost
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loved ones.
Pray for wisdom and how God
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00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:25,800
would use us in sharing Christ.
Kind of what it's talking about.
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You know, you may live a life
where you just don't bump
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shoulders with a lot of people
that you would think.
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And so maybe that's it.
Or maybe you bump shoulders with
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a lot of people and you're like,
how can I have the courage?
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00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,120
Or you know, how, how can I do
that?
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So ask for wisdom and then pray
specifically for one or two
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00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:46,240
people as we come to the
holiday.
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So pick out a couple people,
pray for them, make them a
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matter of prayer, bring them
before the Lord. #2 this is
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emphasized a lot in our church.
Read a good missionary biography
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to stir the heart.
I probably haven't read a good
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00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:00,640
biography.
It's probably been a couple
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years.
I read a couple years ago.
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I was like, man, I need to get
one read Adeniron Jetson to the
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Golden Shore, whatever it's
called.
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It's a big old book, but it's
it's easy to read.
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I I was like, man, I need to.
Did you?
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Do it on audible or did you read
that I.
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00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:16,760
Actually read it like a animal,
like, and I'm like, I haven't
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done that in a long time.
Yeah, it was before I got on the
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Audible train, so that would be
much easier to just so
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convenient when you're driving.
Get a good missionary biography.
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You got some good ones you would
like to recommend that you we?
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We we read with when our older
children were younger.
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There is a little green book, I
think it's called Missionaries
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00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:37,520
with the Millers or and it's
just some short stories that are
688
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,520
kind of, I say more digestible.
Like you're reading it and like,
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Oh, this is a good 10.
This is a good one.
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00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,480
And then you're like, Oh my
goodness, like this got real.
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00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,200
Like I think there was like a
one that talks about an attack
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00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,760
by the Congolese one that's
talking about attack of some
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00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,160
animals.
And you're like, so maybe pre
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00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:58,160
read them and then you'll know
on your child, you know, what's
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00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,720
age appropriate for them, 'cause
you can get into the middle of
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00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:01,600
it.
Like I'm sitting there, we're
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00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:05,200
all bawling, but that's but
that's that's it's a really it
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00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,679
is good because.
It's real life.
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00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,440
This is not a missionary
biography, but what I've done in
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00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,320
the past too, like John Piper's
on some really good like
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00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,560
missionary sketches.
He'll do it at like conferences
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00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,520
and stuff and be like, here's
the life of this Puritan or this
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00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:21,239
missionary.
And he emphasizes a lot.
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00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,920
He's very involved with this
thing called cross con, which
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00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,719
they talk for young people to
consider missions, that kind of
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00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:27,920
thing.
And he's there's a lot of
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00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,120
information that way too.
So I think I think that's good.
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00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,000
Hang around this kind of people,
talk about this kind of things.
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00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:36,159
In your heart will be stirred.
Consider joining an outreach
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00:34:36,159 --> 00:34:40,560
team #3 that's probably
specifically for CBC.
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00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,760
Your church may not have an
outreach team, but are you on
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00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:44,320
the outreach?
Team.
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00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:48,960
OK, I'm not either.
So, but we have quite a bit of
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00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:52,400
other activities, but I know
that they plan, They help plan
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00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:56,239
mission trips, help plan
missions conference, they help
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00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:01,200
plan, you know, evangelical
outings, evangelism outings.
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00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,280
So maybe if your church doesn't
have something like that, maybe
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00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:06,840
you go to your pastor, your
elders or someone and say, hey,
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I'm interested in starting, you
know, maybe an outreach group
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00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,440
where we kind of talk about how
we can further evangelism.
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Now that that's great and then
we're in this new section of
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Romans theme verse for this
section.
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It's not as though the word of
God has failed.
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Go ahead and read 19 and 11.
Get that kind of big picture
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00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,080
view of what's Paul going to be
talking about, How's his
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00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:30,280
argumentation going to flow?
But those are some good, good
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00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:34,840
applications, man.
What there's a lot to think
728
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,680
about, you know, coming out of
missions conference, it's I
729
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:41,200
think I know my heart has been
stirred and it's like, man, what
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are, you know, how can we apply
these things?
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You got any anything else?
No, that's.
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Good, awesome.
Well, thanks for hanging in
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there with us.
That's our take.
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Thanks for listening to Take
Two.
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