Philemon: Love, Forgiveness, and the Cost of Reconciliation

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And does that do with your
shirt?

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No, no, I should do one of my
shirt.

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I I'm wearing this shirt now
because the, the way the

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Steelers live their life is
they, they, they often get out

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to like 5 and one six and two.
What are they right now?

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Right now they're three and one,
three and one waiting the AFC

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baby ahead of the gravens, ahead
of the Browns, ahead of the

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Bengals killing it.
But this is what they do a lot.

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And then they they in the year
going like one and five.

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Mike Tomlin's great at like,
making the playoffs and not

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doing any better.
I have like a little voodoo doll

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of Aaron Rodgers and I'm just
waiting to like poke his, his

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Achilles.
It's great.

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Yeah he doesn't move around
great but man he has like a cup

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like 3 great throws a game.
He takes about 3 terrible sacks.

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It just like his throws though
are so pretty when they work,

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but if he doesn't throw it
within 2 seconds, it's he's got

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to get out fast 'cause he's not
taking that hit, he's just

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trying to get rid of it.
He doesn't.

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He can tell he's.
Yeah, I mean, I mean, he's no

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Tom Brady, so you gotta you
gotta, you know, give him a

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specific.
Well, this is this is, this is

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the banter I came up with.
Words have meanings.

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Do you notice that one a
difference in like a letter or a

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word makes a difference in the
interpretation.

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This is so there's a difference
between race karts and race.

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Trying to think.
I'm trying to think how I messed

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this up.
My wife gave me specific

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instructions and I
misinterpreted what she said.

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OK, what did she have to do?
She abandoned me.

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Abandoned me.
She didn't abandoned me, she had

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something to do and I was.
Abandoned him.

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I had the kids.
I was in a hurry.

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I had the kids.
Oh, she was gone some Saturday,

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maybe some like women's thing.
I don't.

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Know yeah, those ladies, those
ladies, they got to reel that in

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you know what I'm saying?
This grounded coffee stuff all

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the time.
Who Who is actually who's?

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Leaving all that, Yeah, Jill and
her 80s win suit.

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That's all that I just in my
mind imagine now she just always

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dresses like it's the 80s.
It's great.

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I had to take the boys to the
grocery store to grab something

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timing whatever.
And I had Jordan and Joshua and

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Leanne said, oh, just put them
in the there's like a race car,

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shopping carts that they love.
That.

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I did not know that's what she
meant.

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I thought they have like little
kids shopping carts.

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I thought she meant, oh, just
both.

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Give them carts.
Have them race carts because

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they'll keep up with you if
they'll be engaged.

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Does it disaster?
We're in the grocery store.

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They're like running into
people.

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They're like.
Running into things 'cause

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they're.
Race I was like boys keep up and

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I was like clan I had them race
carts did not work out.

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She's like no, don't have the
race carts.

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You put them in the race carts.
So it's a difference between

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race carts and.
Race carts, Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It's different, but it's so.
Close, right.

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Race carts, which would could be
a a verb and a noun, or race

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carts, which would be like an
adjective and a noun.

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Yeah.
So what's race doing?

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It was crazy.
So you're basically, you're

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basically blaming it, It sounds
like Adam and Eve here.

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You're you're blaming your wife
for.

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Stories.
A bad, a bad choice, yeah.

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And I was like, why didn't I
think that'd be OK?

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But I was like, I just saw.
I was like, and they and they

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were like, well, they're like,
yeah, let's race carts.

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And then disaster, you know,
people, people were laughing

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like passerby.
They were having a great time.

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And except for the one like,
they actually hit like one

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lady's cart not having as much.
In the car as long as they

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didn't hit someone in the ankle.
I have there was a a friend of

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mine growing up and his mom.
Like I think people think that

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the the the cart itself sticks
out further, but it's actually

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that little.
Thing at the bottom.

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And she was trying to like, kind
of just run into me and like,

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hit me right into my Achilles
tendon.

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Speaking of Aaron Rodgers.
And it was very painful, like

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about about took me to the
floor.

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I was like, I was very angry at
her too.

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You know, it's like, what are
you doing?

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But I felt bad afterwards.
So yeah, you got to watch it out

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at grocery stores, man.
So crazy.

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I think this connects well with
our topic today because we're

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talking about an epistle of
Paul's.

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Maybe some some say Philemon.
Maybe some say Philemon.

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Philemon.
I've never heard Philemon.

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I have heard Philemon.
I think I brought this up most

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egregious like some words can be
said both ways, one name cannot.

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I've I've heard said another way
and I'm like, how could you say

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it this way?
Was King Nebuchadnezzar

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unironically like, on purpose,
like in a sermon, like over and

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over Nebuchadnezzar?
I was like, no, this is not

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right, You should not.
Say Nebuchadnezzar.

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It's definitely Nebuchadnezzar.
No, no, no, no, no, no.

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Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, But I have heard I I

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grew up church, everyone said by
Lehman.

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But when I I went to school,
there was some person I was

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like, oh, let's let's look at
Philemon.

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Philemon.
And I didn't know if that was,

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you know, I, it was I've.
Never heard that.

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Probably closer to how they
pronounced it back in the yeah.

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Maybe, maybe he was flexing, I
don't know.

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Maybe he was like, well.
This is the, you know, it's

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like, it's like the people who
won't say Jesus, they're like

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Yeshua, Yeshua, Yeshua.
Yeah, OK, alright.

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And I don't know, like when it
comes to you prime more of this

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than I do, but like when you
take Greek or you're looking at

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Greek, you know, you can be
like, oh, I'm this is a rasm.

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This is how you're supposed to
pronounce it.

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Slash.
This is like how we're going to

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pronounce.
This may probably maybe not how

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it is, but it makes more sense
or you know, you know, and some

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people take a hard stance, you
know what I'm saying?

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Like this is how it was
pronounced, but this is how we

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say.
That like if you take Greek in

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the seminary, yeah, the vowels
that all of the professors

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learned are not actually like
that system was was developed

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without necessarily relating it
to like modern day Greek.

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So you'll mispronounce modern
day Greek words.

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I've heard this.
Yeah, Yeah.

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It's just like a no, Yeah.
So.

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Fun stuff.
That's why I that's why I had to

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stop after a semester.
I was like, I can't do this.

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It's not in the line of modern
day Greek.

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You know, always, yeah, I love
it.

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But Philemon, Philemon not.
Not a lot of words.

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Yeah, few of the words.
Sweet of the message maybe?

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Oh sure.
And sweet.

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I love it.
I'm excited to get into it.

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We're kind of in this series of
sorts on the Apostle Paul.

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Yeah, I'm, I'm ready.
I was listening to Paul this

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morning.
Boom.

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Yeah.
Second Corinthians.

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We should hit Second
Corinthians.

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This is a weird book.
It ends very he's very harsh.

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He like it, almost like he like
a lot of people.

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I'm ghosting, but it's like,
what are you?

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We're like, you're all over the
place.

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Yeah.
We should, we should do that

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'cause that is, it is you read
it and it's, it is weird, but

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this is what we're here for to,
you know, go through some of

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these books.
That's good.

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Well, let's go ahead and let's
take it to the next level from

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the hearts of the low country in
South Carolina.

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It's the Take Two podcast where
we take theology to the next

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level.
Philemon short epistle.

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Really what what I like about
Philemon.

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It's like we just talked an
intro about Second Corinthians.

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It's a little bit harder to read
it in one sitting.

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Not possible.
You can do it, but Philemon is

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easier to do.
You could.

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You could do Philemon in one
sitting.

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You can do first John in one
sitting, second John, second and

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third John.
Definitely in one setting, Jude.

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Get the contact.
You didn't get the big picture

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and really Philemon is a single
issue to a single individual

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very personal, very intimates.
You know, some would say it's

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it's kind of the Paul kind of
shows his most personal intimate

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side of himself in this letter
and you were we were flipping

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there.
This was we were not recording,

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but you were like, man, I think
they should go after Colossians

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and it really should.
Right, yeah, 'cause this was

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written, I guess Onessimus is
the slave, right?

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And Philemon is the person to
whom the letter is written.

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And Philemon is at the Church of
Colossi, right?

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And so Colossi and Philemon went
together from and so go eat

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Peaches and cream, right?
The relations Ephesians,

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Philippians, Colossians.
Is that how you remembered it?

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No, I did this weird thing where
it's like, I would just memorize

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it, you know?
But it's great though.

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It's like when I took anatomy in
physical therapy school, you

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just had over and over just all
the monomic mnemonic devices,

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like over and over and over.
I remember the brachial plexus

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and you're trying to defend some
I might remember.

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Randy Travis drinks cold beer
and he's like, add these things.

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You have like all these sayings
that you're just writing out

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sayings and then trying to piece
it back together.

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Too.
Yeah, yeah.

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Like I know all the sayings, but
I have no idea how they relate

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them to it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Go, go eat Peaches and cream is
that's a good one.

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Yeah.
It made me not as good as go

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everywhere I preach Christ, but
you know.

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Nice.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Peaches and green, though.
One of the.

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Pages of cream, yeah.
You know, go to.

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Yeah.
Now, were all of those prison

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epistles I, I, I, I, Yeah.
Which which ones?

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Galatians.
Ephesians.

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Philippians.
Colossians.

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Well, definitely Philippians,
Colossians, Ephesians.

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Yeah.
Galatians, maybe not Galatians.

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It was pretty early.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Other ones, definitely.
Some background on Philemon.

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If we were in Colossians 4
chapter or verse 9, we see

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Onessimus, we see him mentioned
as a resident of Colossae.

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So, you know, we can assume, you
know, Philemon was there as

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well.
We think of the Lichus Valley in

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Asia Minor.
You've got some of these

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different books.
We were just talking about

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Philemon 7 and 17 in this book.
It speaks highly of Philemon.

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So you know, we can see that
Paul had this strong bond with

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Philemon.
And like you mentioned, Onessa,

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another one of those ones that I
think can the words can trip

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people up.
Onessimus, not Onessimus. 111 is

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must.
Yeah, yeah.

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Fight Lehman slave and as we all
know, slavery in the New

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Testament is was just like Civil
War slavery.

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Yeah, yeah, it's exactly the
same.

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And here we we have Paul
condoning slavery, right?

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And it's it he's like, you
should, you should do slavery.

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This is what Paul is saying.
So, so this is this is such a

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good conversation because it's
like, like we were saying up the

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intro like words mean things.
But when people hear slavery,

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maybe they think of something
different.

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Especially if you're in the
United States, you probably you

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hear slavery, your mind goes to
one and only one things.

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It's so prominent in our history
where I think, you know, you'll

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lose this idea of what slavery
might mean in the ancient Near

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East or a cross for, for really
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And it is confusing because, you
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one thing and when you would
take over people's, you probably

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would take slaves as well.
And so there's like the spectrum

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where you see different.
Things, yeah.

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And the Roman Empire, when we
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like more slaves than than
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It's like, so it was almost like
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So not, not to justify it or say
that's the the best way to do

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things, but it was different
than, you know, slavery in

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America.
Yeah, if I had a debt I couldn't

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pay off, I would just come work
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And, you know, you could see
menial, you know, people did

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menial task might have been
slates, but also teachers,

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accountants, managers, lawyers,
this kind of thing often were

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indentured servants.
And and usually it was a

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voluntary thing, like, oh, I
need to pay back your debt.

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Like this is how I'm going to do
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I'm going to be.
And in doing so, you could also

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pay off a debt and you could
have shelter and you could have

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you could be taken care of at
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little bit easier.
Based on what I was looking up,

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it was not uncommon for
Christians to sometimes sell

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themselves into slavery to raise
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Slaves could own property.
They could actually own other

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slaves.
So it's just a different mindset

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that I think you can read these
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It's just hard to under, it's
hard to put yourself in that

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situation.
Just a whole different

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vocabulary and that kind of
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would were given some sort of

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prominence in a household.
It's not like it's like, hey,

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you're going to take care of the
kids or something like that, You

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know what I mean?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, they were.

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They were you could get you
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so so set some back on
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Not a believer ran into Paul.
Paul, as we will read, will

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mention this led him to Christ.
Yeah, I was just looking up

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'cause I taught on Colossians
once and I was trying to remind

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myself, but Colossians is a
place that is a town known for

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their cold water.
That was really refreshing.

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And then nearby was Hierapolis
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That was very refreshing.
And then Laodicea was like in

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between.
And so by the time they didn't

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have their own water source, so
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colossi or Hierapolis, but by
the time it got to them, it

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wasn't cold or hot.
It was just lukewarm.

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And it was like, Nah, it's not
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Spew that.
Out of your mouth, that's where

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that's good.
The reference in Revelation

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comes from.
Like, you're neither cold nor

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hot.
I just want to spit you out.

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So Colossi is that town.
With cold water, I love that

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it's good, good context.
Also, some big picture, just

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like Paul doesn't a lot of
letters, but what we see here,

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he references a lot of people in
this letter, Afia Archipeus

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Epaphras that you might read
about and Colossians 2 a little

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bit, but it's a good reminder.
So this is a letter to Philemon,

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but he like includes all these
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So it's a good message of the
church collective, like we're

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holding each other accountable.
We need, we need that kind of

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encouragement.
It's not like a total individual

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pursuit.
Yeah.

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Yeah, that's good.
So kind of this whole epistle

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centered on a problem of one
person, Oneessimus the slave,

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having run away and escaped his
slavery.

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And we don't really know.
We don't.

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Have everything that that makes
it hard.

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Yeah, yeah.
Was he some indentured servant

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to basically or was he like
captured?

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You know, lots of times when the
Roman Empire went to war, you

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capture the military men and you
put them in bondage because yes,

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that you don't want what you
them to rise up and, you know,

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try to fight you again.
So.

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And there's a lot of
speculation, like, OK, was

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Onessimus A fugitive who ran a
what?

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What is interesting?
Onesimus's name means useful.

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It means helpful.
Paul, in this little read, it

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says that he's being useless.
It's probably this pun kind of

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play on words that you might
miss if you don't know that,

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like, why is Paul saying you're
useless?

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It's probably just appealing to
his name a little bit.

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So like you said, we don't know
a lot about Onesimus.

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He may have wronged by Lehman.
Maybe he owes money.

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Maybe he stole money.
We don't know.

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Or maybe, you know, he was
managing a household and made a

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poor business decision and kind
of felt guilty, went away.

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The law did allow slaves to
flee.

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If you need to have like
mediation, like you can run away

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until you get someone to
mediate.

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If, if he felt like he was
wronged or he felt like his life

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was in danger, like maybe he
made a poor decision.

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He's like, oh, my master's not
going to be happy with this.

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He could flee until it could get
arbitrated and have like a

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hearing of sorts.
But it seems like he he ends up

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in Rome, right?
And that where Paul comes across

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them.
I I think that's the thinking

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most likely, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah.

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But did not necessarily have to
be a fugitive according to Roman

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law.
Paul, he might have been the

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advocate.
Maybe Onessimus could have been

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happenstance.
It could have been Onessimus was

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like, I'm trying to get really
far away from Colossae.

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It could be because some people
say you go to Rome, it's a big

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city, get lost in the crowd.
Maybe some people say maybe you

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don't want to go to like the
center of commerce if you're

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trying to like stay off the
grid.

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So it's hard to, you know, read
stuff, but you know.

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What?
I guess if you look like you're

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a slave who was on an important
errand and like, hey, you're

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just caring about your that
that's.

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Right.
Yeah, that's true.

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That's true.
So, you know, we get some clues.

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We don't know everything
totally.

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You mentioned this as well.
Paul was writing from prison,

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usually thought that he's
writing the same time he's

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writing Colossians and
Ephesians, many similarities and

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we read on EMS from Colossians.
So we'll find that and there

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too.
So a lot of options.

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I don't think we necessarily
have to go through this, but

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some people think you're doing
from Caesarea or Ephesus or

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Roman.
Caesarea Maritime, right I.

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I think so and A and a lot of
your thinking here depends on

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what date you think it is.
If you think it's written like

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at the same time as Colossians,
that's going to push you one way

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versus another way.
So some of the pros and cons,

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Caesarea people, it's unlikely
scholars have put this forth,

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but it would be, you know, he
would not be anticipating a

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speedy release like in Rome and
Caesarea.

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He would have to appeal to
Caesar.

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So if he's like really trying to
escalate things seems kind of

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unlikely 'cause he probably, I
don't know well.

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I've always seen Ephesians and
Colossians as like sister

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epistles.
Yeah, me.

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So if he's in Ephesus, why would
he write a letter to the

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Ephesians?
If he oh, right, that's the.

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So this is all.
Yeah, that's a very good point.

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Yeah, anyway, it's it is
interesting and I I love you

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read at critical scholars.
They're like Paul couldn't have

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written Ephesians and Colossians
because they're just like so

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similar.
And you're like, you're like,

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well.
They, they just make whatever

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argument they want to to try to
discredit it because they also

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say, well, you couldn't have
written such as us because

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they're so dissimilar.
It's like, have you ever looked

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at like take writings from
anyone and they're going to be

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some that are very similar and
some that are that are

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dissimilar, you know, depends on
like what you're trying to

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accomplish, even even your mood
at the time.

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It's just so.
It is crazy.

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Bonkers because a.
Lot of times they will.

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I'm not saying this is not what
I've read for this in

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particular, but they'll be like,
it's so similar then or they'll

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say it's too like they'll argue
like both sides of it and it's

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like just pick a lane or
something, you know, it's like,

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what are we doing?
Be consistent and the they are

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consistent trying to tear down
the.

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Bible.
Yeah, just trying to grab on

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anything they can.
Onessimus, how did he run into

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Paul?
Well, you know, some people

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would say he sought out Paul.
He knew he if he was in prison,

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he would kind of need to seek
him out, right.

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It's not like Paul would happen
upon him.

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He would have to, if that's what
you think.

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So that that is likely
especially you think of Apapras

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who's mentioned here.
We have record that Epaphras had

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been to see Paul or or in Rome.
So most likely on purpose,

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probably not an accident.
Paul defended an SMS brought him

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to Christ and Paul saw an SMS as
being someone who was repentance

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and kind of is communicating
this deep connection to

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Philemon.
He wants reconciliation.

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But and we'll we'll read this.
It's very short, 25 verses.

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You can kind of see that he
wants his reconciliation, but he

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doesn't want to.
Like he's not like, I'm an

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apostle, do what I say.
Like he's not laying down the

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wall.
He's like, really appealing.

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Like, he wants to win him over
and like, hey, yeah.

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Yeah, it's like this is what's
so great about this book is that

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you see this pastoral heart
that's like, hey, letter the

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law.
You probably have a couple

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options here, but this is what I
feel like you should do base,

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you know.
Yeah, that's really good.

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So he didn't strong arm arm him
anyway so we can get into the

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contents.
Yeah.

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What I like about it is it's
like it's so theologically deep.

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There you go.
Yeah.

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Yeah, we get a lot of major
doctrines.

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That's right.
Yeah, it is a unique letter.

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Doesn't like you're saying.
It's not focusing on doctrine or

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teaching, but shows Paul in this
advocate role, this friend role.

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No, what he does not appeal to
his Apostolic authority.

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And when you think of Paul, he's
doing that left and right like

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all of his other letters, like
I'm an apostle.

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You know.
You know, it's, it's great.

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We, we talk about this all the
time.

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He does not do that here.
He asks him essentially for a

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favor as a friend.
And that's that's why we would

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classify this as Paul's most
personal letter.

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So I don't know if you want to
take it from the top, sure.

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Greeting verses one through 3.
One through 3 Paul, a prisoner

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of Christ Jesus, and Timothy our
brother.

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To Philemon, our beloved brother
and fellow worker, and to

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Apiphia our sister, and to Arca
Pipus our fellow soldier, and to

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the church in your house.
Grace to you and peace from God

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our Father and the Lord Jesus
Christ.

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We mentioned it, it's his
personal letter, but it's not,

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it's not justified.
Wait a minute, It's to a group

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of people.
But that's so.

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I know they probably are like
what the heck?

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My my name doesn't make the make
the big title at the front.

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You know.
Anyway, so, so that's the

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greeting, classic greeting.
We'll start to get into often

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like Paul does Thanksgiving.
It seems like, you know, he's

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got a got a way that he likes to
classic Paul.

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So let's go ahead and read
verses 4 through 7.

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I think here we go, Zach Pope, I
thank my God always making

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mention of you in my prayers,
because I hear of your love and

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of the faith which you have
toward the Lord Jesus and toward

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all the Saints.
And I pray that the fellowship

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of your faith may become
effective through the knowledge

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of every good thing which is in
you for Christ's sake.

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For I have come to have much joy
and comfort in your love,

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because the hearts of the Saints
have been refreshed through you,

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brother.
I love it.

447
00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:50,080
So when he's in this, you know,
mode of Thanksgiving, he's

448
00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:53,240
really, you know, appealing to
these positive attributes of

449
00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:54,800
Philemon.
Like, he knows what he's doing.

450
00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:55,520
He's like.
He's winning.

451
00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:57,040
He's winning friends and
influencing people.

452
00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:58,480
Yeah.
Exactly.

453
00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:01,320
He's like, wow man.
Your love Philemon, it's been

454
00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:02,960
great.
You share your faith.

455
00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:06,320
You have blessed other people.
Don't don't forget about that.

456
00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:10,560
As we, you know, keep keep going
on set, setting the stage and

457
00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,880
sharing these truths because,
you know, it probably is true

458
00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:15,120
that he has loved and blessed
people.

459
00:22:15,120 --> 00:22:18,200
It's like it's, I think it's
easy for us to be good in one

460
00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:20,680
area, but then you can have like
a blind spot in this other area.

461
00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:22,760
And maybe Paul's like trying to
like just bring that to light.

462
00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:26,440
And so, hey, we're already, you
know, 1/4 of the way through the

463
00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:27,760
book.
We're getting there.

464
00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:32,240
So this is what this is really
where we're getting to the meat

465
00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:33,800
of it.
Verses 8 through 21.

466
00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:39,800
Maybe we can read verses 8
through 10 and see what talk

467
00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:43,480
about that for a little.
Bit OK, says therefore, though I

468
00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:46,840
have enough confidence in Christ
to order you to do what is

469
00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:52,240
proper, yet for Love's sake I
rather appeal to you, since I am

470
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:56,640
such a person as Paul the aged
and now also a prisoner of

471
00:22:56,640 --> 00:23:00,000
Christ Jesus.
I appeal to you, my child

472
00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:03,360
Onesimus, whom I have begotten
in my imprisonment.

473
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:09,680
Great, so we kind of see Paul he
he he, he, he doesn't just say

474
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:12,000
like, can't he, he I mean he
literally says like, hey, I

475
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:13,800
could command you.
I mean, basically he's like, I'm

476
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:17,080
not going to, but I, I.
Could.

477
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:20,480
But just just so you know, I
prefer to appeal to you for

478
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:22,680
Love's sake.
He's an old man.

479
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:26,640
And then he says, Hey, I'm an
SMS father, which, you know,

480
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:30,800
brought, brought, brought him to
Christ, essentially really

481
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:33,160
trying to get an, I mean,
finally just to apply, apply

482
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,040
this scripture Scripture.
I'm an I'm an old man.

483
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:36,520
I'm not, I'm not Paul the
Apostle.

484
00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:39,960
I'm Paul the old fragile man.
That's, you know, caring for an

485
00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:44,040
SMS.
It reminds me of a passage in

486
00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:46,040
another book called Lord of the
Rings.

487
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:47,520
But he.
Should have guessed.

488
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:50,760
Yeah, tell me more.
Oh, Gandalf is about to go into

489
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:53,560
Theta and and he's like, you
know, I'm an old man.

490
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:55,480
Don't don't rob me of my staff.
And yeah, so.

491
00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:00,080
There you go.
Maybe, maybe, yeah, maybe token

492
00:24:00,120 --> 00:24:04,160
was pulling from by Lehman here.
So we see Paul as an advocate.

493
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:07,880
We're we'll go ahead and read 11
through 13.

494
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:09,840
This is where you kind of see
some of this word play.

495
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:11,840
Anessimus is name meaning
useful.

496
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:13,640
Yeah.
So this is Anessimus, who

497
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:18,760
formerly was useless to you, but
now is useful both to you and to

498
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,120
me.
I have sent him back to you in

499
00:24:21,120 --> 00:24:26,720
person, That is sending my very
heart, whom I wish to keep with

500
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:30,480
me, so that on your behalf he
might minister to me in my

501
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,960
imprisonment for the gospel.
Great, we see.

502
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,000
So this is, you know, he's
useless.

503
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:38,160
We can read into that.
Like, what's that mean?

504
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:41,720
Like what happened?
Something bad happens, but now

505
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:47,240
transformed changed useful that
Onessimus being very useful need

506
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:49,320
to keep him around.
He's a changed person.

507
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:51,760
He's repented.
He actually had cared for Paul

508
00:24:53,120 --> 00:24:59,920
and so Paul essentially it is
really appealing that look for

509
00:24:59,920 --> 00:25:02,280
some good goodness.
So you can kind of speculate

510
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:04,520
like what happened that violin
be like so upset.

511
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,000
Maybe maybe it was something
significant.

512
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:12,320
We don't really know.
I'll read verse 14 here.

513
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,880
This kind of set aside here.
I just want.

514
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:19,240
To warn my listeners this this
will be from the ESV, so just.

515
00:25:19,360 --> 00:25:21,800
Yes, everyone's like falling
along in the NFP of Changes

516
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:26,080
first board team, but I
preferred to do nothing without

517
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:29,600
your consents in order that your
goodness may not be by

518
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,520
compulsion, but of your own.
Of course, this kind of gets to

519
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:33,640
the heart of what we were saying
earlier.

520
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,160
It's like the second time he's
kind of hitting this and saying,

521
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:40,280
hey, this is your call.
Yeah, your call definitely have

522
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,800
a a preference here, but it's
you.

523
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,080
That's right.
It's your, it's yours to make.

524
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,960
It's good 'cause like other
places like Second Corinthians,

525
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:52,240
for example, Paul is at the end
like coming down, he he will

526
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,680
really put his foot down, but
not not as much here.

527
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:57,160
So he's kind of appealing to
Philemon.

528
00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:01,240
You know, you are kind of the
the in charge in this situation.

529
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,120
And one since then, if you want
to read verses 15 through 16

530
00:26:05,120 --> 00:26:07,960
kind of appeals to God maybe as
ultimate ruler.

531
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:12,480
For perhaps he was for this
reason separated from you for a

532
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:16,480
while, that you would have him
back forever, no longer as a

533
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:21,200
slave, but more than a slave, a
beloved brother, especially to

534
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,080
me.
But how much more to you, both

535
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:28,680
in the flesh and in the Lord?
Yeah, essentially because God

536
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:29,760
has changed him.
It it.

537
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:34,760
I like how he ends with in the
Lord, a very good thing has

538
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,040
happened.
Look at the big picture from

539
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:41,080
from God's perspective.
Take this and and this key

540
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,800
phrase like beloved brother,
this is this is your brother.

541
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,320
You know that that that should
change your perspective.

542
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:51,680
And then we can we can finish
out 17 through 20 when he kind

543
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:56,240
of ends with a twofold petition.
And then, you know, like a good,

544
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,760
you know, pastoral person, like,
I have confidence in you, you'll

545
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:01,840
do the right thing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know you

546
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:07,840
don't do the right thing.
If then you regard me a partner,

547
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:12,520
accept him as you would me.
But if he has wronged you in any

548
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,800
way or owes you anything, charge
that to my account.

549
00:27:16,120 --> 00:27:18,840
I, Paul, am writing this with my
own hand.

550
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,080
I will repay it.
Not to mention to you that you

551
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:25,320
owe me.
Owe to me even your own self as

552
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:26,640
well.
Yes, brother.

553
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:28,600
Let me benefit from you and the
Lord.

554
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:32,040
Refresh my heart in Christ,
having confidence in your

555
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:35,920
obedience, I write to you, since
I know that you will do even

556
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,640
more than what I say.
Love it.

557
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,360
So verses 17 through 20, he's
got this petition.

558
00:27:41,360 --> 00:27:43,960
He he's asking file limit, file
limit to forgive.

559
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,600
Not only that he's like, I'll
I'll pay his debt like credited.

560
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,840
I mean, put on my account.
I got it on what Paul didn't say

561
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:55,320
He didn't say Onessimus didn't
deserve discipline or something

562
00:27:55,360 --> 00:27:56,760
like that.
He he doesn't, he doesn't say

563
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,440
that.
He's not like, you know, saying

564
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,360
nothing bad happened.
He's just saying like, hey, for

565
00:28:02,360 --> 00:28:07,480
forgive in this situation, he
didn't say, you know, just waive

566
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,640
the wrongdoing by the side.
He was going to pay for it and

567
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,840
that kind of thing.
But asked that his heart would

568
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,680
be refreshed by Philemon showing
kindness.

569
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,920
And it's interesting.
Paul's like, show me kindness by

570
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:20,400
forgiving Philemon.
That's interesting.

571
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:26,400
Yeah.
Verse 7 So this is also

572
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,920
something that it when you read
the whole thing, maybe you can

573
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,160
connect if you go back see if I
can find this.

574
00:28:31,360 --> 00:28:34,640
You gotta say this is a chiasm.
I, I, I should you, you, you,

575
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:39,560
you would expect nothing less.
He appeals to Philemon's

576
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:44,080
character in verse 7, uses kind
of the same verbiage in words at

577
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:45,680
the end.
So he kind of starts like, hey,

578
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:46,920
blame, I know you're this kind
of person.

579
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,680
Then at the end, like, hey,
remember, this is what we're

580
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,040
talking about.
Kind of closes this that you

581
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:57,960
should be forgiving Paul.
What he wasn't, he did not, he

582
00:28:57,960 --> 00:28:59,320
did not like way down this
command.

583
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:01,400
Like, hey, everyone's got to
forgive everyone in all

584
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,680
circumstance.
Like it's not like this blanket

585
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:07,000
statement across the board what
he's not doing.

586
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:08,600
Maybe we'll get in some
conversation.

587
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,040
He did not obliterate all social
institutions.

588
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:19,600
Impossible to know if Paul was
saying, you know, you can run

589
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:21,440
with this passage in a lot of
ways.

590
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,880
I'm saying what Paul was saying
and Paul wasn't saying and you

591
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:26,800
know, he it wasn't this like
social upheaval.

592
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:28,840
And I think people that's what
people will point to this and be

593
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:32,280
like, why?
Why didn't Paul like, say, let's

594
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,080
get rid of slavery, you know?
Well, yeah, well, Paul is

595
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,040
talking to one person he's not
talking to.

596
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,600
Yeah.
Yeah, Caesar, you know, and even

597
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:41,960
if Caesar said get rid of your
slaves, it's not like it's going

598
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:43,680
to happen.
Like that's a it's a cultural

599
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:47,720
thing that took time.
Whole exactly right where I

600
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:49,200
think we see this a lot in
Scripture.

601
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:53,000
It's we're called to act a
certain way within our context

602
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,680
and we we might not maybe things
aren't right, but we our

603
00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:00,160
response can be right even if
things aren't, you know, perfect

604
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,280
all the time.
And then you're in verse 21

605
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,440
that, you know, Paul really
believed that Philemon would

606
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:07,760
follow his counsel.
Philemon love Paul, love the

607
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,000
church.
We don't know the outcome.

608
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:11,440
That's the interesting thing.
We don't know.

609
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,720
I mean, we can, you know, if if
you look up tradition has it

610
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:18,480
that Philemon released
Oneessimus and that's Oneessimus

611
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,400
became a Bishop of Ephesus.
Wow.

612
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:26,120
That was martyred in 8095 in
Rome, kind of the successor to

613
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,080
Timothy.
OK, that's tradition.

614
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:29,480
We don't.
I mean, that's what I don't

615
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:30,920
know.
You know what we have there.

616
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,680
I mean, I trust tradition to let
me know that Matthew was written

617
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,000
before Mark, so I should trust
this too.

618
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:37,320
Right.
The the the thing that's hard

619
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,760
about it is oneessimus I think
was a common name at the time.

620
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,080
So it's hard to know if it was
like this Onessimus if it

621
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,400
wasn't, but it's like it's like
the geography.

622
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,240
Maybe you could make that
connection, but still common

623
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,480
name anyway.
And and you would think, you

624
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:56,440
know what, what people point to
is that Onessimus Andor Philemon

625
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,760
might have been like, I'm gonna
RIP up this if it like, if

626
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:00,160
Onessimus been like, I'm not
gonna do this.

627
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,640
He wouldn't like, let's preserve
this as God's word or, you know,

628
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:03,800
like.
I mean, God put that in the

629
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:08,080
fire.
Yeah, I never got this and then

630
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:12,120
Alvaread verses 22 to 25, he
writes at the same time, prepare

631
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:15,040
a guest room for me, for I'm
hoping that through your prayers

632
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:16,320
I will be graciously given to
you.

633
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,600
The path for us.
My fellow prisoner in Christ

634
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:22,320
Jesus sends greetings to you.
And so to Mark, Aristarchus,

635
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,760
Dimas and Luke, my fellow
workers, the grace of the Lord

636
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,280
Jesus Christ be with your
spirit.

637
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,880
Paul is expecting to be released
from prison quick, quickly give

638
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:34,800
some final, final greetings.
So short books book.

639
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:36,760
What do we what do we do with
this?

640
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,040
Do we learn anything?
There's a lot of lovey dovey

641
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:40,520
stuff in here, not a lot of
doctrine.

642
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,320
Like what can we, you know, what
can we take away from a book

643
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:47,040
like this?
Well, I think one, it teaches

644
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:50,200
you how to appeal to people like
some you might say he's

645
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:55,080
manipulating, but you know, he's
just saying, hey, say hey, put

646
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:58,000
it on my account and actually
just remember you owe me.

647
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:03,320
You owe me in this.
But you know, I think it's good

648
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:10,120
and you see someone who and we
see this with John Mark too,

649
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:14,320
that someone who may yeah, yeah,
maybe down out that someone else

650
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:17,800
can find A use for him and and
then repair that relationship.

651
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:22,480
So just because you know, it's
not working out with you and

652
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:26,120
someone or the person doesn't
mean that that person can't kind

653
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:27,920
of get discipled up with someone
else.

654
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:29,840
Does that make sense?
Yeah, Yeah, that makes a lot of

655
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:31,040
sense.
Yeah.

656
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:32,600
I, I like this.
It's good to have a book like

657
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:36,320
this in here because it's
sometimes it is necessary to lay

658
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,400
down the law.
But there's something about just

659
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:42,840
like over policing everyone
where, you know, depending on

660
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:46,000
what the situation is, where it
that that's not like fostering.

661
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,920
You're not coaching up or
building up in a way that people

662
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:55,520
can, you know, grow where it's
like more legalistic or I have

663
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:57,440
to do this.
It's like this encouragement

664
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,560
based in truth, and you're not
shying away and saying I do

665
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,120
whatever you want.
You're not saying that you're

666
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,440
like, hey, sure, really think,
really think you should consider

667
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,000
this compact.
Yeah, go ahead.

668
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:10,280
Another point that you can get
from this is that you could be

669
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,640
walking tall and proud.
Yeah.

670
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:17,400
And the next thing you know, you
get this for Dimas, having loved

671
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,320
this present world has deserted
me and gone to Thessalonica.

672
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,760
It's like, man, Dimas, what
happened, bro?

673
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,160
Bro.
I know it's like, man, that's a

674
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,280
that's a bad, bad beat.
Yeah, things can change.

675
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,760
That's right.
Don't get, don't get over overly

676
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,720
cocky on that kind of thing.
Compassion.

677
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:35,840
I like we see Paul's
compassionate side, a lot of

678
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:39,600
kindness, a lot of charity.
Paul called Philemon to deal

679
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,680
with Onessimus in the same way
that Paul dealt with Philemon.

680
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:46,680
You kind of see this, it's good.
He's kind of interceding on the

681
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:50,640
behalf of Philemon.
And then it's great

682
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:54,800
reconciliation, like very
different social cultural

683
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:59,760
classes where even if so,
indentured servanthood, very

684
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:01,560
different than chattel slavery,
very different.

685
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:06,560
But just like with anything
else, like even in America, you

686
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,040
might have a abusive boss.
Sure, right.

687
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,600
And it's like it's not it's OK
to have a boss that's not bad.

688
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,520
The abuse part is not good.
You and probably in these days

689
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,360
maybe it looked a little
different than 21st century

690
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,159
where there's more protections
and that kind of thing, you

691
00:34:20,159 --> 00:34:21,480
know?
Yeah, like if you were to think

692
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:25,159
like, you know, some physical
therapy bosses, they just.

693
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:26,239
They're the.
Worst.

694
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:29,520
I mean, just just on you all the
time about getting your time in

695
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:31,159
and seeing enough patients and
stuff.

696
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:32,320
Right.
It's brutal.

697
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:34,719
Yeah.
Yeah, exactly where it's like,

698
00:34:35,199 --> 00:34:38,639
it's a good, good way to to look
at some of that, some of that

699
00:34:38,639 --> 00:34:40,120
stuff.
It's not exactly how we would do

700
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:41,719
it.
Totally different culture.

701
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,920
But we have problems today, you
know, It's, it's, it's not, you

702
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:49,679
know?
Anyway, at the heart of this

703
00:34:49,679 --> 00:34:53,679
reconciliation, fostering unity,
fostering love, there was

704
00:34:53,679 --> 00:34:55,760
repentance, like there was a
change.

705
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,080
It wasn't just like, hey,
everything's good, you know?

706
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:02,920
Yeah, it it seems clear that
there was a change in an SMS and

707
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,080
that Paul was like, hey, let's
recognize this change.

708
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:09,800
He's come to the Lord and you
have the opportunity to use this

709
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,880
to my advantage, your advantage.
Everyone's like it's a win, win,

710
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,400
win.
Yeah, yeah, there's something to

711
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,360
like, and I don't know, we don't
know the situation, but there's

712
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,960
something to like, I can just
imagine like a, you know, you're

713
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:25,280
a wealthy, like well respected
person in the community.

714
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,960
There's I mean, probably had
implications for people knew

715
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,200
Philemon and some people
probably like, hey, you need to

716
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:34,160
like wait on the hand whatever
happened, Like you need to teach

717
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,480
this guy a lesson.
It, it probably had, you know,

718
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,920
ripple effects after that, but
Philemon, one of these, it's

719
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:42,800
great.
You know, at some point you get

720
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:44,240
to these letters, you're like,
oh, it's one of those like

721
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,000
little letters in the back, back
of the Bible.

722
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:47,880
Like no one knows what these
things are, you know, So it's

723
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,720
good to explore and read them
and that kind of thing.

724
00:35:50,720 --> 00:35:51,520
That's.
Good, that's.

725
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:52,680
Good.
When Paul, like everyone knows

726
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:57,360
Romans, Philemon gets a lot less
less play, you know, average

727
00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,360
Christian.
I think a lot of people be able

728
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,440
to nail down an SMS, but a lot
of people probably like, huh,

729
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,120
like, you know what I mean?
Like what's going on, you know?

730
00:36:03,240 --> 00:36:05,360
Probably lesser lesser known.
Probably, yeah.

731
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,600
Probably lesser known, so read
Philemon.

732
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:09,560
That was, you know, edifying to
me.

733
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,920
Anything else you want to hit on
this letter?

734
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,800
No, I, I think that's good.
It's it's a quick one to read

735
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:20,000
and ponder and and learn from
Paul's example.

736
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:21,720
I love it.
Well, thanks for hanging in

737
00:36:21,720 --> 00:36:23,960
there with us.
Maybe we'll hit some Prism

738
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,560
epistles next time, but that's
our take.

739
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:29,360
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740
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,680
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741
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:34,400
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