Pneumatology Part 2 | Walking According to the Spirit

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I can see it now.
Michael Mott, New York Times

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bestselling author.
Maybe I am working on a book

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right now, but I the reason why
Zach's saying that 'cause I just

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relayed to him I, I woke up in
the middle of the night last

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night and I had this dream and I
was like, I've got to type

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something out.
So I pull up Google Docs and I

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typed out basically this
synopsis of this dream that I

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had so I wouldn't forget because
I was convinced at that time

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like this is a story that.
Just yeah, it's.

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Pretty good, so I'll just should
I just read the synopsis that I

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typed out?
Like don't share too much,

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someone might steal it.
So I typed this out.

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I don't know what time, 2:30 in
the morning, I don't know.

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But it was.
This is what I wrote out.

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Two powerful families, one of
them on the throne, each with a

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son and a daughter.
So one had a son and a daughter

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destined to marry each other,
but they're just friends, and

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one of them finds love
elsewhere, which kind of.

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And then the other one is caught
up with this scoundrel like they

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and, and like she kind of sees
him for that's the female who's

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caught up with the scoundrel, of
course.

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And the scoundrel renounces.
I even titled the document Eagle

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court.
I don't know why it was called

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Eagle Court, but it was, but it
was this court where they would

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do business and it, but it was
like in these almost like our

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green screen, but it was like
surrounded like with these

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black, these black tapestries.
And you couldn't tell if people

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are listening or not.
And it the goal was like to keep

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the people on the on the honest,
you know, because people anytime

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could be listening into the
business proceedings.

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It but this scoundrel is egged
on in one of these proceedings

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to basically say some stuff that
you know, as treasonous of the

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of he he's you know, and he's
stripped of his titles.

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He shamed and then a true suitor
to this woman proposes.

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She says yes and then they're
destined to rule the the country

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after this so.
Coming to a store near you?

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Eagle Court.
Eagle Court.

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You just, I, I feel like you're
a few ChatGPT prompts away from

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having a nice book there,
Michael.

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You got the structure.
Fill in the gaps and maybe

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something happens there.
Yeah, yeah.

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So.
Do you?

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Do you dream a lot?
I do, I do dream.

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I.
I dream very rarely and when I

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dream it's not that great.
I need to.

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I wish I dreamt more and I never
remember.

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I never remember my dreams.
I'm like, oh, I had a great

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dream and he's like, tell me
about it.

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I can't.
I don't know.

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I feel like you had.
A great dream I knew.

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So I know like the medical
process, like when you are

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dreaming, there is this chemical
that prevents your body from

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moving and it prevents your
brain from taking long term

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memories.
So you have short term memories.

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So if you wake up and you
remember something immediately

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that you want to remember in the
morning, you either need to

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rehearse it several times so
that you can make that long term

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memory or write it down.
So that's why I was like, I

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won't forget this.
And I was at least on fire back

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then.
I was like at at night, I was

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like, I I need to type this out,
like force myself to type this

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out so I'll remember.
I don't know why it was.

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It's like the muse hit me, but.
Man, great Eagle core.

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I remember that.
And you're and you're already

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how far into your other book are
you?

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I mean, it's like you got to
draft me like something.

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Yeah, I've written 4 chapters of
it and and what I'm working on

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now is like the overall plot
because I got I kind of got

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stopped because I was trying.
I don't did I hopefully we

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didn't already talk about this.
I, I get old and I forget.

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I don't think we've already
talked about this, but I was

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trying to do too much in one
book.

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And so I was talking with
Jonathan Wyatt, our local

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English literature
extraordinaire.

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I was like, I think I just have
to plan on it being a, a trilogy

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and and only getting this far.
And once we decided that, I was

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like, OK, 'cause now it's a
reasonably sized first book.

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You get some reasonable
attachment to the characters.

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But basically, this is all born
out of my love for seeing true

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history.
Things that are archetypes of

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God being the things that we
tell over and over and over

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again.
Good stories that people like,

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whether they're fantasy or
history or whatever, they have

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these themes of self sacrifice,
of having to grow in the face of

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a loss of the evil person who
finally gets their due.

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Like that's like whether you're
talking about Lion King or

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you're talking about a Field of
Dreams.

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Like all of those story and
those motifs are found in the

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real story.
So I was thinking about that a

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lot.
And I was like, what if there

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was a guy who, and this is
fantasy, who, who had to learn

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these themes like these motifs
and he was able to enact them.

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Like, so there's going to be a
scene where he decides to save

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this guy's mentor, but that
stunts his growth because true

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growth comes from loss and
hardship.

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And in the middle of doing that,
he loses his mentor.

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And so then so like, it's the
Gandalf that dies.

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It's the Obi Wan Kenobi that
goes away, you know, but it's

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like he learns through that.
And so then so hopefully I can

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connect with the audience who
reads this.

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Like not only is it a good
story, but all of our good

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stories are based on D story so.
I like it.

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It's like meta, you know, It's
great.

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It's.
Supposed to be meta, yeah, yeah,

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it's.
Great.

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Well, I'm excited.
But not allegory, just meta.

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Nice.
Love it.

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Well, this fits real nicely with
our central series on the Holy

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Spirit because you're feeling
inspired.

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Right, right.
Yeah, Maybe.

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Maybe it is.
Maybe it's the maybe I'm being

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nudged by the Holy Spirit to to
do this.

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Well, we'll.
See if Michael is walking in the

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spirit by writing these books or
not so hanging with us as we go

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ahead and take it to the next
level from the hearts of the low

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country in South Carolina.
It's the Take Two podcast, but

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we take theology to the next
level.

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Pneumatology part.
Two-part 2 I need a pneumologist

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because of the pollen in the
air.

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I've been struggling, but yeah,
still sorry to complain about

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it.
I feel sorry for you, the

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listener, if you, and maybe I
shouldn't say anything because

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maybe you haven't heard me
sniffing, but but now that

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you're going to hear me sniff
and kind of clear my throat.

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But yeah.
So pneuma, Greek for breath or

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spirit symbolizing life and the
movement of the Holy Spirit.

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Kind of talked about this last
podcast mentioned in Acts 2.

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So there was a mighty rushing
wind and then the spirit, you

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know, falls on them and was seen
as a fire.

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So kind of a play on words there
that that Luke is doing.

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Kind of see the same thing in
John three with Nicodemus that

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play on words.
John the Baptist talks about,

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you know, I baptize with water.
But but Jesus, he's going to

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baptize in in a different way.
Acts one, we hear about the Holy

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Spirit coming last week we
talked about, you know, what's

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it mean to be baptized in the
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A lot of debate, a lot of
different takes on this.

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We kind of landed at First
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Paul writes that if if you're a
believer, you've been baptized

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in the spirit that that's a
reality.

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It's not this second fulfilling
experience.

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You're you know, necessarily
that that a lot of people kind

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of hang their hat on and and
really that led us talking about

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this Pentecostal movements where
they're everywhere.

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Michael, 600 million worldwide.
These stats are off the off the

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charges growing like crazy.
That's really especially you

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look maybe in different, you
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Very fast and I appreciated this
because I didn't really know

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some of it.
So Joel took some time to walk

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through the history of the
Pentecostal movement.

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Kind of the really the first
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this.
Charles Parham, I get, I guess

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that's how he pronounces his
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woman to receive the Spirit.
And it's often considered one of

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the early movements of
Pentecostal Pentecostalism.

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1906, there was the so-called
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Revival.
I think this was in Los Angeles.

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Yeah.
And there was a so-called

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powerful outpouring of the Holy
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William J Seymour was in there
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And it kind of really was the
beginning of the movements.

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Fast forward to 1960, there is
this Jesus movement and there's

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a movie about that out there.
The, I think it's called the, is

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it the Jesus movement or the
Jesus?

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It's pretty good.
It's a pretty new movement.

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But you know, part of that
during that the the charismatic

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movement is is starting to spark
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a a bigger thing and then.
And kind of softening a little

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bit where you don't necessarily
have to hit all these

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checkpoints, even though they
would say some people do.

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It's not like a make or break.
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I think you see it kind of
spilling over from pure

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Pentecostalism to what we might
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So you see speaking in tongues
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to be common, maybe in some of
your mainline churches, not all,

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but you see some of your
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adopting that.
That that kind of go moves on to

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maybe this third way wave
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movement.
I think Wayne Drew kind of came

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out of this movement that's kind
of like where he was brought up

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and kind of had this cat
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this guy named Wimber was pretty
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and really where where it's
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I think sometimes it gets a
really bad rap because it's so

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closely associated with the
prosperity gospel where the

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emphasis is you are going to get
everything you you want.

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You're going to be financially
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physically, physically well.
And if you're not, it's probably

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because your faith isn't there
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trusting in God and the way way
you should.

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But like, but like you said,
it's, it's permeated basically,

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you know, Baptist, Catholic,
Presbyterian, where you can, you

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can be a charismatic but be part
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And it gets a little bit fuzzy
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different churches will operate
in wildly different ways and be

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charismatic.
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There's no one way to
characterize all of the movement

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because, you know, this is a
very broad brush.

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And so you might have some very,
what we might consider

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conservative or very orthodox
churches who really are doing

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this, what you we might consider
quote UN quote, the right way

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versus to these extremes where
you have like holy laughter or

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holy rolling, you know, that
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And, you know, Jeff, a member at
our church was talking and I

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guess he talked to Joel after
Pneumatology 1.

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And Joel had asked him to
basically voice his experience.

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And he was like, you know, he
grew up in the there was none of

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the, you know, slain in the
spirit or this holy laughter.

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And it was really a more
measured expression of the

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charismatic gifts.
So yeah, it's pretty diverse out

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there.
It's it's hard to, you know, say

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it is one thing.
Exactly.

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So, so that that's kind of the
progression, you know, where

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where it's gone in history.
I think it's important to note

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that movement's not super old,
like 19 O 119 O 6.

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You know, it's it kind of
exploded from from there.

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But that kind of brings us to
the next topic that I think

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would take will take a good a
good bit of time.

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And it's this idea of walking in
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Really good timing because we've
been wrestling with this in

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Romans.
We have Romans, we have

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Galatians.
We'll probably hit that a lot

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later.
Maybe we can be thinking about

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this.
What's it mean to walk in the

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spirit?
A lot of confusion.

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So maybe it's good to start
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The spirit, spirit and dwells
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That's not super controversial,
right?

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Yeah, I think it's not super
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You know, Jesus promised to send
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He said I'm going to go away.
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I'm going to send a helper.
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happens.
We kind of you alluded that Acts

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2 is where we see the pouring
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a harvest.
But I think it was only maybe

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ten days after his ascension.
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So not not very long after he
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a good question to ask, you

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know, if we are indwelled with
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is the Holy Spirit doing for us?
We have a list here.

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He regenerates us.
I mean, that's the first thing,

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you know, He's the one that's
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reborn again, throwing back to
Nick at night with Jesus.

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You know, he says, you know, you
have to be reborn and that's of

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the Spirit.
You got to be born of the water

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and of the Spirit.
We're baptized into Christ with

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the Spirit.
So he's uniting us with Christ

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and his church.
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So we see that he provides
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a, of Christianity.
He enlightens us.

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So as we're reading the word,
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help us understand what's there.
It's not like it's a get out of

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jail free.
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some work, do some study, look
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languages and stuff.
But he's there to illuminate it

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and help it make sense to us.
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That's great.
He gives gifts.

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We've talked about this a lot on
the podcast Romans 12, First

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Corinthians 12, Ephesians 4.
Build up the church, build up

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the body of Christ.
The Holy Spirit guarantees our

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salvation.
He seals us till the day of

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redemption.
He's a comforter.

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He's he's a helper.
He acts as our counselor and

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source of peace.
Holy Spirit is the one who

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testifies of Christ in
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people to Jesus.
The new birth we talked about at

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the top.
The Holy Spirit does all of

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these things and this is one of
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is a person because he does
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a force wouldn't necessarily do,
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So we're trying to get to
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We know the Spirit indwells that
makes sense, has a role, it

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impacts us.
The Holy Spirit does these

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different things because the
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a certain way we we should live.
We leads to holiness in certain

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areas.
Paul kind of hits this a lot in

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first Corinthians couple
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Chapter 3 and chapter 6 talks
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the temple that your body is a
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really hitting on purity, you
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morality, you know your your
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spirit.
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says there is so good for us to
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it should is like, if your body
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Spirit, how can you, you know,
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sexual sins?
Because you're really uniting

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the Spirit in this.
You shouldn't be involving the

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Spirit in in this sin.
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and pureness and righteousness.
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going to lead to a change in how
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I think all of this makes a lot
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We're hitting walking in the
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This was a hot topic a big time
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My take was I felt like everyone
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thing, but maybe there's more
there where it's like worlds

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apart.
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into it.
Pastor Joel had a definition and

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then Michael didn't get a chance
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So this, this is where we'll
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Yeah, so do you want me to read
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Sure.
That's great.

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OK.
So what does it mean to walk in

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the Spirit?
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Walking in the Spirit is a
command involving daily

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obedience, and living in the
realm of the Spirit involves

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setting one's mind on spiritual
things, aligning with the new

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heart and renewed mind the
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Prayer and the Word of God are
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Spirit's work.
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conflict with the flesh.
And really he's like, I got to

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cut myself off 'cause I could
keep on going and, and say in

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more ways, but he sent that out.
And I think he's really asking,

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you know what, what do you think
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Then he asked for you for my
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And I was like taking a breath
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Then he was like, and Zach, you
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And I think he you didn't, you
didn't say much, did you?

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Did you say I didn't?
Think he was actually, yeah,

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asking.
I did respond to that, that

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e-mail though, yeah, yeah.
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insight.
So do you have your response to

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you?
Know well if you read Tim's I'll

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pull mine up.
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really that walking in the
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Joel was saying, but he was
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the spirit involves both really
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dependence on the spirit, kind
of finding that balance between

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being obedient and trying to
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So his admonition was like, when
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know, it's good to read
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And if you don't want to read
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all been there, you discipline
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Tim's admonition would be like,
OK, in that discipline, you need

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to pray and say, you know, God I
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use the Scripture in my life to
change me, to help me put off

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the flesh, to put on, you know,
the works that you'd have me do.

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going to have a big impact on
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Now that I think that's really
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He sent this e-mail out.
You responded what I said, I

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said I could.
You had already responded,

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Michael.
So I think you guys are are kind

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of talking very similarly.
I said to me, walking in the

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spirit kind of starts with us
being rooted with our union in

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Christ and it's an indicator of
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That applies really to every
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If you're not walking in the
spirit, you should be thinking,

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am IAA believer?
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movement throughout life of
progressive sanctification by

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the Spirit that comes about
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grace and daily obedience and
faith in response to life

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circumstances, which is a big
reason you can look at 10

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different people and their
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It's a legal standing, It's
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depending on on part of this.
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thought he was asking
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promptings illumination.
It's that's where that's where I

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and then I went off it a little
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But but kind of sticking to what
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kind of my input.
Yeah, I think he was asking

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about really, how much do
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much does that play into our
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spirit?
So then I don't, I don't know,

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Should I read all of this?
I mean, it's pretty good.

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I mean it.
Probably, I think the paradigms

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are good.
But it probably goes, it

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deserves a spot on someone
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So if you're out there
publishing a systematic and you

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want to use this, just let me
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We can find some type of royalty
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But so this is what my
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The phrases walk in the Spirit
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Spirit Romans 814 are indicators
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So they kind of give us that.
If you're saved, you got it.

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If one is saved, then by
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and being led by the Spirit.
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on the fact that we are
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Many have noted that the Bible
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in three steps.
So hopefully you've heard, maybe

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you've heard this, but being
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being saved from sins penalty.
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So that happens like boom,
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Being saved from sins power over
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sanctification and then being
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ultimately, and that would be
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And to me, as I read Romans 8,
that seems to be speaking more

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about sins penalty, whereas
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more about being saved from sins
power over our lives 'cause

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we're not to be, you know, just
think about what it says.

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We're not to be walking
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And he talks about deeds of the
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spirit.
So in we would, I think we all

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agree that in sanctification
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which is what you're bringing
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spirit play to bring about our
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And Philippians 2/12/13 would
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Sorry.
So we're about 1/3 of the way

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through by definition, just to
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So how do we daily give
ourselves over more and more to

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walking in the Spirit, thereby
putting the deeds of the flesh

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to death?
And I'm going to go back to kind

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of our building blocks of our
church 'cause, you know, Joel

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has really given us this
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I and I say it doesn't need to
be more complicated than the

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next 242 in the Word.
The Spirit illumines, convicts,

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teaches, rebukes, trains,
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And I gave some scriptural
references to support those

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things in prayer.
The Spirit guides us and

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intercedes for us with groanings
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Romans 8/26.
In fellowship, the Spirit

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enables us to exhibit love,
gentleness, kindness,

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forgiveness, meekness, joy,
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Again, the fruit of the Spirit
and the breaking of bread, which

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we talked about is the
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And really worshipping the
Spirit strengthens our faith to

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trust in Christ and celebrate
His life, death and

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resurrection, resurrection on
our behalf, and to share that

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faith that we have with others.
Acts 1/8 And then we kind of

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take that, 'cause we cut, we
look at the breaking of bread

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not only as communion, but the
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Christ.
So we'd say that happens in our

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witness and in our worship.
So I just end with this.

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The Spirit also emboldens us to
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both evangelism and worship so
that he is exalted and receives

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the highest praise.
The Spirit helps connect our

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intellect with our emotion,
renewing our minds and hearts

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and sanctifying what has been
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Romans 12/1 through 2.
That's the renewing of our

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minds.
Through this renewal, we are

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transformed and equipped to live
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So after I sent all that to him,
I was like, that's probably far

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more abundantly on all that you
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And yeah, but so I think that's
a a good rounding out of the

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ministry of the Holy Spirit in
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Yeah, I, I think it's good and I
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'cause I think it can be like,
what's it, how are you led by

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the Spirit?
How are you walking in the

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Spirit?
I think those are good questions

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to ask.
But I think it's as simple as

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Acts 242 and it's not, you know,
I think God uses ordinary things

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to work in tremendous ways.
And it's just like, man, I just

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want to have that dream so I can
write this great book.

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And it happens sometimes.
Nothing, it can't happen.

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But it's like, man, when people
just when they're the default

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setting is to seek outside of
these things that to me that's a

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red flag saying not that you
can't work this way, but we

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should be in this lane and see
what happens.

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You know what I mean?
Exactly.

450
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I think a good analogy is if you
have a fruit tree, if you want

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good fruit, it really is all
about the foundation, the soil,

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the roots.
Are we going to create a good

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solid, everyday foundation for
this tree?

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And then if we do that, we're
going to see fruit come and

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blossom.
But if you're looking just at

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the fruit and how do I do that,
then you're looking really in, I

457
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think, in the wrong, wrong
place.

458
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Yeah, I that that's a great,
great analogy at the end of our

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notes here.
I don't know.

460
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I don't know if you added this
or this was in his notes says

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the believers challenge.
Since all believers are into up

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by the spirit.
The challenge is how to walk

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daily in the power of spirit of
the spirit, staying obedient to

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his leading and balancing
emotion with discipline because

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emotions definitely there.
And I think that that is

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important, but it does work in
tandem with some of the some of

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these disciplines.
And we, we kind of skipped over

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one spot.
I think I think would be helpful

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as we're rounding it out kind of
the results of walking in the

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spirit because I think there's
it's there's less mysticism

471
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there and it's all like crazy
and spiritual, but the results

472
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are you, you're probably going
to share Christ more.

473
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Your character's probably going
to transform.

474
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I'm going to say probably, I
really should take that

475
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probably, but your character's
going to be transformed.

476
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You're going to produce fruit.
You are going to use your gifts.

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The Spirit's going to work in
your lives to edify the body of

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of Christ.
And so these are things that you

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can look at and kind of measure
like, am I producing good fruit?

480
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And if not, maybe it's a good
time to to re evaluate some of

481
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the memes.
Or you know, are are you a

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believer in in the first place?
No, I think that's great.

483
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So just kind of recap witnessing
character transformation, using

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gifts and then, you know, living
out lives that are after the

485
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Spirit.
And I think you could categorize

486
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all those as some form of change
in our life from the old person

487
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to the new person.
And we were talking last podcast

488
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about things that we remember
from growing up.

489
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And I remember my my preacher
growing up, he would say over

490
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and over again, if you are
saved, because that's the kind

491
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of vernacular we would say.
But if you are in the spirit, if

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you are in Christ, other ways of
saying the same thing, then you

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will have a changed life.
And the only evidence of a

494
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changed life is a life that has
been changed.

495
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So if you don't have a changed
life, like if if you look back,

496
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you're like, man, but there's no
difference in me.

497
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,840
And I'm not talking about people
who like Chris who are saved at

498
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4:00 because it's hard for you
to really get deep in sin.

499
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But if you can look like, hey,
here's how my life looks and

500
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,040
here's how it could have looked,
then that's still I think a

501
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,840
change that we can see.
But if you don't, if your life

502
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,300
doesn't reflect these things,
then you probably should re

503
00:26:23,300 --> 00:26:25,200
evaluate.
Like, am I truly a believer?

504
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:29,640
So that that's good a lot packed
into walking in the spirit

505
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,280
rounds out pneumatology wanted
to we're done.

506
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,480
With the Foundations course.
I thought we'd ever make it.

507
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:35,840
We made it.
I know.

508
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:39,320
So we do have some things coming
up that we wanted to talk on for

509
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:45,760
our Thursday podcast, so I gonna
maybe visit some Heiser in the

510
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,320
future.
Energy drinks anyone?

511
00:26:48,360 --> 00:26:52,040
Yeah, yeah.
And then we have we still have

512
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:56,040
on tap calling you out, Jonathan
Hyatt.

513
00:26:56,360 --> 00:26:59,600
We still have on tap your
request that that, that podcast,

514
00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:01,720
it it'll, it'll get there.
So hopefully you're still

515
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:03,320
listening.
Hopefully you still heard the

516
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,280
shout out.
But we will talk about, you

517
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:09,760
know, ordinances and whether the
means of grace or, you know,

518
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,120
actual grace.
So that's Zach's doing all the

519
00:27:12,120 --> 00:27:13,120
research for that one.
So.

520
00:27:13,120 --> 00:27:16,680
Just been laboring over I need
to get maybe Jonathan Hyatt has

521
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,240
a great a great.
I'm trying to get some good

522
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,840
resources.
I've been kind of lazy to get

523
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:25,360
like, real good.
Maybe we can get an actual like

524
00:27:25,360 --> 00:27:28,160
Catholic priest and the like.
Maybe a a Lutheran.

525
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,200
Are they priests?
Pastors, I think they are.

526
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:31,920
I, I know, I think Anglican.
They're priest.

527
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:33,080
Lutheran.
Wouldn't surprise me at their

528
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:36,040
priest too.
So I happen to know a Lutheran

529
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:38,520
pastor slash priest.
Call him up.

530
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:39,960
Let's.
Get him on the show.

531
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:44,400
Let's let's interview him.
But great good series on

532
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:48,000
foundations.
That is our take.

533
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Thanks for listening to Take 2.
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534
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