Oct. 15, 2024

Sola Fide

Sola Fide

Bonus Episode 7


Michael and Zach discuss Sola Fide as the instrumental cause of our salvation leading up to Reformation Day


Find our videocast here: https://youtu.be/aN2MW6ATzRU


Music from #Uppbeat (free for Creators!):

⁠https://uppbeat.io/t/reakt-music/deep-stone⁠

License code: 2QZOZ2YHZ5UTE7C8


Find more Take 2 Theology content at https://take2pod.wordpress.com/

1
00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,840
Are you familiar with this song?
Gotta have faith, The faith, the

2
00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:05,280
faith.
Oh, I gotta have faith.

3
00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:05,880
Is it?
Is this?

4
00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:07,600
Is this George Michael or
something maybe?

5
00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:09,720
I don't know who I don't.
I don't know.

6
00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:11,320
Probably.
I hope it's not George Michael.

7
00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:15,280
I don't, I don't know.
But that's yeah, it's not like

8
00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:17,440
the 80s.
Probably late 80s.

9
00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:19,640
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I feel like, well, we

10
00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:22,280
don't have to get into it.
We don't, we don't, not, not the

11
00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:25,880
time or place.
My only reason I would even

12
00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:28,960
think that would be from some
episode of The Office somewhere.

13
00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:30,760
I'm trying to like land it, but
it's like, I don't know.

14
00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:31,960
Yeah.
Yeah, you know, Yeah.

15
00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:35,640
So I don't know, I, I don't know
about the episodes of The

16
00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:38,120
Office.
Yeah, I'll have to.

17
00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:39,480
I'll have to.
I'll have to look this up.

18
00:00:39,480 --> 00:00:42,240
Now you've got me all
distracted, but not, not what

19
00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:44,600
we're talking about today.
We're talking about we got to

20
00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:47,240
have another sola.
Yeah, we're talking about got to

21
00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:48,400
happen.
Yeah.

22
00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:54,560
So October, kind of the middle
of October for us, heading into

23
00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:59,920
looking at Reformation Day, I
was scheduling a doctor's

24
00:00:59,920 --> 00:01:02,800
appointment with your favorite
type of doctor, a chiropractor,

25
00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:07,200
and it happened to be on All
Hallows Eve.

26
00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:10,640
And I was like, oh, right,
Reformation Day for all of us

27
00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:13,360
good Protestants and the person
behind it is like, and for us

28
00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:16,160
Catholics, it's all it's All
Saints days Eve.

29
00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:20,320
I know, kind of bad.
That is so funny.

30
00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:23,080
Yeah, well, there you go.
Now you got This is a great

31
00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:24,480
icebreaker for your Catholic
friends.

32
00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:25,840
Just start talking about the
Solas.

33
00:01:25,960 --> 00:01:27,040
Yeah, that's.
Right, that's right.

34
00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:29,960
So sola fide.
So we've talked about Sola

35
00:01:29,960 --> 00:01:35,560
Scriptura, OK, Sola Karadia.
Now we're on Solafide and we're

36
00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:38,440
doing them in probably the best
order, of course, the order that

37
00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:41,400
I think that they should be in,
which is is by definition the

38
00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:45,400
best, right?
But you know, it is through

39
00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:52,920
faith that we are saved.
It's not by works and faith is

40
00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:58,800
this active trust.
There's this great guy that I

41
00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:01,720
listen to every now and then and
he gives us Greg Cocol.

42
00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:03,320
We should have little, you know,
places.

43
00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:04,720
We should have a little Greg
Cocol button.

44
00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:10,120
But he talks about, you know,
the kind of trying to make the

45
00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:13,520
distinction between active trust
and just a intellectual scent.

46
00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:16,880
He's like, you know, you could
look at a plane and have

47
00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:20,080
intellectual scent that it's
going to get from point A to

48
00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:24,720
point B.
You step on the plane here.

49
00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:29,480
Here's a good one too.
Everyone's like, I know exercise

50
00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:31,800
is good.
I know I'll live longer and who

51
00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:34,720
no one likes to exercise.
It's like, but everyone would

52
00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:36,920
say, oh, of course that's good.
That'll reduce my risk for all

53
00:02:36,920 --> 00:02:38,840
these different diseases.
But no one likes to do that.

54
00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:39,920
That's right.
Yeah, yeah.

55
00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:42,560
And but when you start doing it,
that's right, You're putting

56
00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:44,840
active trust in there.
You're going you're yeah, it's

57
00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:48,120
more than that, that ascent.
And if we're I'm trying to get

58
00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:51,840
get my bearings here.
So scripture alone, that's the

59
00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:54,000
formal cause.
That's like underneath

60
00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:58,320
everything, the material cause,
justification by faith alone.

61
00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:00,040
That's like at the heart of the
Reformation.

62
00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:04,240
And then being through faith,
that would be the instrumental

63
00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:06,480
cause because that's the
instrument by which it happens.

64
00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:09,520
If you're thinking of all these
old timey categories, how I

65
00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:10,880
thought in.
Old timey?

66
00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:14,560
Yeah.
Aristotle Really. 400 BC, Yeah.

67
00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:17,160
Cool.
But the way, the way they would

68
00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:18,880
think about that, that is
important because that's

69
00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:21,120
different than the instrumental
cause of the Catholic Church.

70
00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:22,520
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, that is good.

71
00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:29,360
So really, and as you say, the
the declaration of righteousness

72
00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:32,960
versus being made righteous over
time.

73
00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:35,320
And that's a huge distinction
between Protestants and

74
00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:37,280
Catholics.
No, it's it's it's really good.

75
00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:41,080
And I was listening to this
lecture by RC Sprole way, way

76
00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:44,400
back when and he talked about in
the Protestant faith, we talked

77
00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:47,440
about imputation a lot that
we're credited righteousness is

78
00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:49,560
transferred in the Catholic
faith.

79
00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:52,120
They talked a lot about an
infusion of righteousness that

80
00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:55,400
happens at baptism.
And so really once that is

81
00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:59,960
infused your instrumental cause
Israeli baptism plus penance to

82
00:03:59,960 --> 00:04:02,520
to keep you in that versus this
is like.

83
00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:07,280
Fusion can kind of drain out as
you move away from Christ and

84
00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:08,640
stuff.
So you get it and you just going

85
00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:12,480
to work to keep it there and
then in the president faith it

86
00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:15,360
is just credited to us on on,
you know, through through.

87
00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:17,200
Credit reckoned to us.
It's reckoned.

88
00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:17,920
I love it.
Yeah.

89
00:04:17,959 --> 00:04:20,399
That, that that's good.
So that, you know, to get

90
00:04:20,399 --> 00:04:24,480
context of, of where it goes
such in a different way than the

91
00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:25,200
Catholic Church.
There.

92
00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:27,560
There you go.
And where, where do we find

93
00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:29,000
things like this?
We're making this up.

94
00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:31,640
Probably.
Probably nowhere would say stuff

95
00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:33,280
like this.
Yeah.

96
00:04:33,280 --> 00:04:37,440
So Hebrews 11/6 says without
faith is impossible to please

97
00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:40,840
God.
Romans 432 says by faith we

98
00:04:40,840 --> 00:04:45,640
believe that he who has promised
is able to perform that which he

99
00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:47,760
promises.
That, that, that's great.

100
00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:51,360
You look through Isaiah, we see,
you know, that God's going to

101
00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:53,920
fulfill his purposes.
But if we don't believe, then

102
00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:55,680
we're not, we will not be
established.

103
00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:58,840
And then we, we talked about
Romans a lot.

104
00:04:58,840 --> 00:05:00,600
We'll probably continue to do
so.

105
00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:03,760
It's so, so foundational.
Romans 328 talked about faith

106
00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:07,760
having no merit before God, that
we're justified by faith

107
00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:10,000
strictly without the works of
the law.

108
00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:13,160
Like Paul goes a great length to
say it's by faith alone, not

109
00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:15,400
works for do works.
Then you deserve something.

110
00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:19,040
You don't deserve this at all.
And you said you have faith

111
00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:21,240
there has no merit, but did you
mean works has no merit?

112
00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:23,840
Yes, Oh yes.
Yes, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

113
00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:26,640
yeah.
Yeah, well and and faith well

114
00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:30,160
works have no merit.
I mean, I yeah, faith, you're

115
00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:32,720
not meriting anything through
your faith.

116
00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:35,240
Right.
It's, yeah, We have faith in the

117
00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:37,200
one who merits for us.
Is that what you're saying?

118
00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:39,000
Yeah, Yeah.
Yeah, that your faith is not

119
00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:40,960
because I work so hard,
essentially.

120
00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:47,960
Ephesians 28 through 10, we've
talked about it a lot.

121
00:05:48,280 --> 00:05:50,720
I could get 8 and 9.
I don't think I could quote 10

122
00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:54,400
it says, but you know, basically
says we're not saved through our

123
00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:57,480
good works.
We're saved by grace through

124
00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:00,120
faith.
That faith isn't even our own.

125
00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:04,480
It's a gift and it's not of
works so that no one may boast.

126
00:06:04,840 --> 00:06:07,680
And it's So what, you know,
verse 10 would say, so that we

127
00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:11,000
can walk through good works that
God has foreordained.

128
00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:15,040
The good works don't save us,
but they're evidence of that

129
00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:18,200
faith that we have there.
Yeah, I like even just the order

130
00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:21,480
that Paul lays it out, it makes
it easy to follow, right.

131
00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:25,920
Galatians 220 would say that we
live by faith in the Son of God

132
00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:27,720
who loved us and gave himself
for us.

133
00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:31,400
That that's you live in in
reality this, that that produces

134
00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:34,600
this work.
And so you hear the reformers,

135
00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:37,040
your Puritans, you hear, you
know, all these people just

136
00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:41,360
make, make so much of this great
marvelous exchange that that

137
00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:46,400
through faith in Christ, like
you said, he merited this on our

138
00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:49,680
our behalf.
And so we can talk even more not

139
00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:52,480
just about imputation, but
there's this double imputation.

140
00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:54,840
It kind of goes, there's two
different ways this this goes,

141
00:06:54,840 --> 00:06:56,880
right?
Yeah, because we got his.

142
00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:58,440
We're clothed in his
righteousness.

143
00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:01,280
But when he was on the cross, He
was clothed in our sinfulness.

144
00:07:01,280 --> 00:07:04,880
Yeah, that's a great, great
reality because you can, you

145
00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:08,280
know, have your sin removed.
I mean, that's good.

146
00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:09,720
You're not condemned, but what's
that get you?

147
00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:12,640
But being righteous, man, that's
a whole different ball game

148
00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:14,760
having both sides of that.
Coin it's something pretty

149
00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:17,480
unfathomable to think that we
will stand before God.

150
00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:21,640
You know, Jude would say he's
will make us to stand before him

151
00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:25,680
boldly because of, you know, the
righteousness of his son at the

152
00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:28,600
end of Jude.
And it's really unfathomable to

153
00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:33,880
think that we we we'll have
imputed to our account.

154
00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:37,000
God will see us as just as
righteous as he is.

155
00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:40,800
It's it's pretty mind blowing.
And you take, you know, a lot of

156
00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:43,280
the you know, Romans talks about
it a lot, but we, you know, your

157
00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:45,960
favorite verse is your favorite
book Galatians as well.

158
00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:48,560
Yeah, probably.
Yeah, talk talk's a lot about

159
00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:50,120
works versus faith, right as
well.

160
00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:53,200
There's a lot devoted in the New
Testament about this.

161
00:07:54,200 --> 00:08:00,480
And so we, we talk about this
marvelous exchange and really in

162
00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:06,040
modern, you know, academia
scholarship, what we're talking

163
00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:09,400
about, we would, we would give
the term penal substitution.

164
00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:14,120
You know, so we are, it's like
a, you know, the justice, the

165
00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:16,760
penal cult type of thing.
And that, you know, like you're

166
00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:20,320
talking about that double
imputation, you know, has come

167
00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:22,080
under fire.
And I don't understand why has

168
00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:24,760
come under fire 'cause we have
all these other rival things

169
00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:27,640
like Christus Victus and stuff
like that.

170
00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:30,840
And yeah.
But yeah, oh, Rams theory, the

171
00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:33,240
people, people hang their head
on the example theory.

172
00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:36,760
I'm like, that's not a good
theory that it's only and and

173
00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:40,280
like you're saying academia,
there's like, I mean, you look

174
00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:43,480
at I was just reading through
this in Grudem's systematic

175
00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:46,320
theology, but he talks about,
you know, professor of like New

176
00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:49,560
Testaments at Asbury College,
you know, this Asbury Seminary,

177
00:08:49,560 --> 00:08:51,760
Methodist seminary, a lot of,
you know, a lot of seminaries

178
00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:55,000
going way wayward.
But he's like, well, I don't

179
00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:58,640
like, you know, divine, you
know, it's cosmic child abuse.

180
00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:01,760
And it's like they they get,
they get so they like saying

181
00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:05,880
expiation and that God removes
sin, but there's no Subs,

182
00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:08,200
there's no penalty.
They don't, they're like, how

183
00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:10,240
could God do that?
And they're really shying away

184
00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:11,520
from that.
When you shy away from that,

185
00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:13,120
what are you doing with sin?
Right.

186
00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:14,080
Yeah.
Where does it go?

187
00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:14,800
What?
What happens?

188
00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:15,720
Yeah.
Yeah.

189
00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:19,240
But I think that's a good point
because people people don't

190
00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:20,760
emphasize that side near as
much.

191
00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:22,720
It's happening a lot like you're
saying, in academia.

192
00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:27,240
All right, and I have this
scripture from when I taught,

193
00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:29,840
but I don't have a reference
here.

194
00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:35,760
It looks Galatian Y to me.
For we are Jews by nature and

195
00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:38,760
not sinners from the Gentiles.
Nevertheless, knowing that a man

196
00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:42,160
is not justified by the works of
the law, maybe it's Romans too,

197
00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:48,440
but through faith in Christ
Jesus, we have believed in

198
00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:51,920
Christ Jesus so that we may be
justified by faith in Christ and

199
00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:54,480
not by the works of the law,
since by the works of the law,

200
00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:58,280
Yeah, I think this is Romans.
No flesh will be justified.

201
00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:00,480
But if, while seeking to be
justified in Christ, we

202
00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:04,200
ourselves have also been found
sinners as Christ, is Christ,

203
00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:06,960
then a minister of sin?
May it never be.

204
00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:09,920
Yeah, definitely Romans.
For if I rebuild what was I have

205
00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:12,920
once destroyed, I prove myself
to be a transgressor for the law

206
00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:16,880
I died to so I might live.
I Oh no, it's Galatians 4.

207
00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:19,760
Galatians 2, Yeah.
Galatians 2 Once, once I got to

208
00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:22,600
this, for through the law, I
died to the law so that I might

209
00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:24,360
live to God.
I have been crucified with

210
00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:27,200
Christ, and is no longer I who
live, but Christ lives in me in

211
00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:30,640
the life which I now live in the
flesh.

212
00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:33,960
I live by faith in the Son of
God who loved me and gave

213
00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:36,320
himself for me.
I do not nullify the grace of

214
00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:38,920
God for it, as righteousness
comes through the law.

215
00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:43,520
Then Christ died needlessly.
So that was Galatians 215

216
00:10:43,560 --> 00:10:45,320
through 21.
We were trying to figure out

217
00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:47,720
which one it was.
I knew once I got down to 220,

218
00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:52,240
those verses that we memorized a
lot, 220 and 22.

219
00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:54,200
I like it.
This was definitely Galatians,

220
00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:58,360
but yeah, living by faith, not
by works.

221
00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:00,200
There, so it couldn't say it
better myself.

222
00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:03,400
Remind me of Romans 7.
This back and forth, pretty old

223
00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:05,400
man, new man.
You're like Romans, Galatians.

224
00:11:05,680 --> 00:11:07,200
Romans, Galatians.
Oh no, now I know it's

225
00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:07,920
Galatians.
That's great.

226
00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:10,200
It's a good, you know, example.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

227
00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:12,760
I was like, oh, yeah, 'cause
when he said may it never be, he

228
00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:15,360
says that like two or three
times in Romans, I was OK, so

229
00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:17,240
this is the only Romans.
And I was like, Oh no.

230
00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:19,440
But that just shows you how
similar the, I mean, where he's

231
00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:21,240
drawing from that That's so, so
good.

232
00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:25,120
So sola #3, we got two more,
Yeah, Solas.

233
00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:28,520
So on the lookout for those in
the upcoming weeks.

234
00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:32,440
That's our thing.
Thanks for listening to Take

235
00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:34,640
Two.
Find us wherever you find

236
00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:37,160
podcasts and on YouTube for
those who want to watch our

237
00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:37,840
video cast.