Wisdom Literature Part 2

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Wisdom.
Wisdom.

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Someone just reminded us that
Wisdom likes to call.

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Yeah, we're talking about Wisdom
on our podcast.

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A little foreshadowing, but if
you are watching the pod, do you

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notice anything different about
one of us 'cause I bet you do

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know something different about
this guy next to.

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Me.
So like last time, I felt like

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you wanted to hear the duck
call.

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Oh, yeah.
And I was like, I don't have my

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duck call with me, man.
So I was like, you know, I'm,

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I'm gonna bring the duck call
here.

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With not only did you bring, I
bought the.

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Whole the whole duck call
holster 'cause there's some

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folks that have.
Keep it going.

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I mean I've got 3 here, but two
of these are mallards and one is

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Canada.
Canada Goose How?

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Different sounding are the
Mallard ones.

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Will we find?
Out so this is the this is the

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one that I said was really bad.
So, so if you're listening, I

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don't know what the how this
will come across, but it could

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be loud.
So if you got Earpods on or

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something, maybe you turn down,
I don't know.

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But so this is the one that was
my first one.

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So and, and the guys always gave
me a a hard time.

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Like I said, it didn't sound
like a duck.

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So then I got this one this
trip.

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Is that the elite?
Yeah.

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This is the elite, the elite
duck call so.

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So.
That sounds like a duck.

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Yeah, and I like lots of times
when you, you know, so there's

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different techniques.
One of the things is like if the

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ducks are flying towards you,
you typically don't call 'cause

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I don't know why is if the
movement is enough to throw them

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off or you know what it is.
But typically when they're

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circling around, like if they're
flying right at you and then

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they'll like circle, sometimes
they circle high overhead.

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You want it to be windy when?
You're windy.

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Because if it's windy, ducks
want to get out, want to get

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down faster.
But if it's not very windy,

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they'll just glide around and
like check you out like two or

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three times.
Especially mallards, they're

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very wary.
And then they'll go on.

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Pintails even worse than
mallards.

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They'll just go on.
But anyways, if there so there's

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different calls for different
things.

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I was just kind of did some, but
you know, there's a like a

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comeback call where you're like.
Oh, OK, Pat, like you.

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Want.
Yeah.

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And there's like a feeding call.
I don't do the feeding call on

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that one.
Great, 'cause I feel like the

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error's restricted a little bit,
but Clayton does a really good

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feeding call on his.
But nice.

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Yeah, there's wood duck calls.
Wow.

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There are pintail calls, there's
gaddy calls.

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So there's all types of
different calls that someone

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could could bring to the.
Thing so, so eventually, yeah,

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you might follow suit, get a
pick up a call here or there.

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Yeah, I, I, I keep this on there
just for sentimental value, but

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I might, I might get rid of this
one eventually because I

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probably would wouldn't use it,
you know?

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Nice.
And like that I, we were talking

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about this a little bit before.
To me, you got like so much

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paracord.
You could if you were like, if

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you needed to, like, you know,
climb up a tree, you know,

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you're good to go.
You could weave like a little

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fishing net or something out.
There you could like survive for

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for a while.
It's pretty cool.

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Duck call and not you've got
another call on there.

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Yeah, so this is a Canada Goose
call and it's pretty loud, but

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yeah, so it's like, yeah, so.
That sounds like that too.

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Yeah, yeah.
If you've ever heard geese

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flying over, they they.
Dude, I hope you shot like so

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many Canadian geese.
There's nothing I hate worse.

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We shot, we've shot 2.
So we, we average one every

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other year is our, our average
so far.

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We got one on year one, we got
one on year 3.

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So I guess we'll hope for one on
Year 5 next year.

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Yeah, yeah.
Specifically the Canada.

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Yeah, I mean, we've gotten 2
geese, period, and they're both

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Canada geese.
I mean, maybe it's just because

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they flocked to neighborhoods.
I feel like they would be the

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easiest ones to get because
they're everywhere at all times.

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But maybe that's not like in in
like the middle of nowhere.

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Right.
So they're suburbanized here and

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they land on land and we're
hunting over water.

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So they roost on water, but then
they get up off the water early

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and go to neighborhoods and then
they go to farm lands and eat

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like planted wheat and stuff
like that.

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Man, Yeah, yeah.
I just, I just hate him so much.

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But just like you were calling,
right, some ducks, you know,

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wisdom's calling, the simple
Wisdom's calling out.

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And so we will go.
Look, we'll continue on in this

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series on wisdom literature in
our Bible.

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So let's go ahead and take it to
the next level.

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From the hearts of the Low
Country in South Carolina.

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It's the Take Two podcast where
we take theology to the next

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level.
Well, we are in lesson or

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podcast #2.
Podcast #2 of wisdom literature.

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Like it's going to be a six week
series and we're today we're

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looking at the book of Proverbs
getting into it.

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You know, last week we spent
most of our time in psalms,

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getting on the lay of the land.
Some Hebrew poetry, some

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chiasms.
You know I have.

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I have not written my chiastic
poem yet.

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We're all waiting, but.
I was thinking about structuring

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it on the way over because with
all the snow and stuff, I

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actually had extra time but was
more distracted than I normally

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AM.
Yeah, yeah.

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But I'm sure we'll talk about
talk about students.

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I'm sure it was.
It was a.

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Great week.
It was crazy.

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It was crazy, Yeah.
But if if by way of review, the

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wisdom books are Job, Proverbs,
Ecclesiastes.

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So we're finally getting into
Proverbs.

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You might have been, you know,
looking at the series been like,

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man, why do we spend too much
time in solved?

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We're getting there.
But before we get to Proverbs,

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if we're talking about wisdom
literature, it would behoove us

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to talk about Hokuma.
Hokuma, that's like those little

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like the tobacco things that you
put.

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What are those?
Those are called like hookahs or

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hookahs.
Oh, like a yeah, yeah, yeah,

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yeah, yeah, yeah, basically.
It's very similar.

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But I'll tell you what, Hebrew
when I see Hebrew characters,

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I'm just, I don't know what's
going on.

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I'll be honest, not not my
Forte.

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It's, it would be, they're
pretty rounded.

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You know, we spent some time
ministering to Burmese folks and

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if you've ever looked at Burmese
and Thailand letters that

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they're very rounded.
And I've learned that that's

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because they wrote them on palm
leaves and you couldn't have

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straight lines because it would
split the so almost all their

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letters are are rounded.
And then of course, languages

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that kind of Orient came from
like runes would be very

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straight because you're like
carving straight lines in.

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But this I don't you know.
This seems more rounded than

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what you know carving on stone
would lend you to think it would

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be.
That that's very true.

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And this word, hoekma, it's
nothing to do with hookah, but

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it it, it's the Hebrew word that
gets translated wisdom in our

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scriptures.
And what's pretty interesting

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about it is, I guess, like a lot
of Hebrew words, vague's

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probably the wrong, wrong term,
but it can apply to a lot of

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things broad.
Broad.

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That's more than one meaning,
yeah.

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Yeah, where I think that, yeah,
go ahead.

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Yeah, I was gonna gonna say like
the word for day could have more

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than one meaning, Yeah.
Yeah, then we should do a

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podcast on that at sometimes
that that'd be good.

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And, and if you can imagine, I
mean, this word is used all

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throughout the Old Testament,
but there's a super high

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concentration in these wisdom
books.

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I think over 100 times in
Proverbs is 31 chapters, you

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know, in Ecclesiastes, 12
chapters, like, I don't know,

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like 50 times.
I don't know what the number is.

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And then, you know, 2530 times
in Job.

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You see this a lot.
And if you were to zoom out of

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these wisdom books, you would
see the broad terminology being

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used.
You go to the Tabernacle, you

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know, Exodus 28 through the
early 30s.

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This word Hokhmah is not
translated wisdom.

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It's translated skill or ability
referring to people that maybe

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work with these different jewels
or metals or the women that are

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spinning.
These people have wisdom or

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ability or skill which I I like
seeing that that broad use.

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Yeah.
And I haven't researched this

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for myself, but I've also heard
that it could refer to sharp.

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Like a sharp sharpened tool that
is like skilled at cutting.

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Like if you had a sharp scythe
that'd be cool if.

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Someone had a sight, sights look
pretty cool.

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Just go in there and just cut,
cut everything.

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That's interesting, 'cause I was
and, and if you could go down a

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rabbit hole with not Hokma, but
even the roots that there's a

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bajillion different words.
And so that that wouldn't

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surprise me.
I think in Ezekiel, I ran across

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the passage.
It's, they were talking about,

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you know, Tyre and Sidon and
these people who could row

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really well and they had Hokma,
they had skill in, in the way

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they would row these ships.
And so when we get to the wisdom

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literature, it's not, it's
usually translated to wisdom.

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It's usually not a physical
ability.

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But I think thinking of wisdom
as a skill is a good way to

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think about wisdom.
Right, the skill of applying

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what you probably know to be
true.

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How do I how do I best apply
this knowledge that I have?

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Or how do I best discipline
myself?

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You know those types of things.
Then, and I like that to me

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that's empowering because just
like any sport or any, you know,

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playing an instrument, whatever,
there are some people that are

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naturally more talented, but if
you work hard enough, you can't

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improve greatly.
If you put some time and some

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effort, you can't improve in in
any skill.

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And so I like this idea.
I think the ESV study Bible's

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definition that I drew from said
that wisdom is the skill is

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skill in the art of godly living
or godliness in action.

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Like those, like those
definitions a lot.

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And that kind of helps set the
stage for Proverbs 'cause we're

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talking about wisdom a lot.
Right, that's good.

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What?
When you think of a proverb,

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what do you think of?
What's a good definition for a

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proverb?
For a single proverb, I would

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say it's a very pointed saying
that normally has some type of

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hook to it that you know It has
a catchy way of saying something

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that helps you remember it.
I like, I think that's good, the

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short pithy phrase like these.
When I think of proverbs, I

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think of all these little
proverbs of yeah, it's packed

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with the lot, very memorable.
You can memorize them, but has a

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lot of practical advice.
What's funny?

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Maybe it's not funny, you know,
in this episode that we're

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recording, we're really not
going to talk about any of

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those, even though I think that
comes to our mind.

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So right when I think of
Proverbs, we want to set this

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stage, see how this book is
framed because these these pithy

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sayings don't start till chapter
10 there.

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There's a lot of proverb of, you
know, the book of Proverbs

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before we get to these, what I
think of what I think of

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Proverbs and you know, we love
Proverbs because it's practical.

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A criticism that I have heard
or, you know, as you read

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probably maybe from scholars
that are not Christian, that you

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know, read the Bible as a
literature only, they kind of

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look at it and say man Proverbs
is practical, but it's kind of

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too practical.
You can read it and because it

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doesn't mention the temple or
sacrifices or covenants, kind of

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seems secular, kind of seems
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Do good, good things will
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Do bad, bad things will happen.
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proverbs.
You can come away thinking that

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if you just look at a few
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So there's they're alleged
lodging that criticism like they

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think that, well, they think
it's a book written by man and,

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and, and that it's falling short
of what it it should be.

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Yeah, they're like it just it
just so out of place.

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You read any other book and it
seems like it's developing

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theology and you read Proverbs
and you can read certain

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passages and it just seems
moralistic.

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It seems like, yeah.
How does this fit in with the

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rest of of Scripture?
And I'll, I'll, I'll pull up

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maybe some proverbs that's, you
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I, you know, hear a criticism
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Because I think I've got it in
my, in my PowerPoint from my

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Sunday school.
But I'm looking at it right now

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and seeing what kind of kind of
comes to my mind, which ones

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that I would exactly be thinking
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But I am not finding it off the
top of my of my head here.

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And I've got you know, when you
make a, you ever make a lesson

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that has like a bajillion slides
and you're just like scrolling

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forever and ever.
I think that's where I am.

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I'm finding myself right now.
So it is a criticism.

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Wish I had.
She's just looking for one

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that's like very just on the
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It's not really.
Vertical.

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Exactly.
I'll go to.

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If I find go to my actual notes,
I bet I can I can find them, but

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there were a few that you read
and you read and you're like,

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oh, that's, that's really good
common sense.

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So.
Maybe 10/5.

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He who gathers in summer is a
son who acts wisely, but he who

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sleeps and harvests is a son who
acts shamefully.

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Exactly just.
Like that's common sense.

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Like you, you gotta, you know,
make hay while the sun shining

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is what we would say.
Today that that's exactly right

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and you can read things like
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Here's someone.
Hey I I found my notes.

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Wealth brings many new friends,
but a poor man is deserted by

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his friend.
Got money?

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People fuck to you.
You don't.

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People won't.
Good news refreshes the bones,

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you know, give good news to
people, that's good.

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Desire without knowledge is not
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But whoever makes haste with his
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And you can find a bunch of
these that you just turn to

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Proverbs and found somewhere.
It seems to reflect some good

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common sense, but it's really
devoid of, you know, some

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theological thinking.
And so my point in starting with

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just the bookends of Proverbs.
Not, not the short pithy phrases

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and sayings and couplets is
let's look at how the rest of

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the book is set.
Like what starts the book, what

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ends the book?
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context that, you know, I think
the middle of the book's got

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plenty of context too.
But this, this really drives

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home the point that's it's
definitely no matter what you

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say, you can't say it's secular.
Yeah, yeah.

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And you're not saying that the
beginning and end isn't poetry

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or in verse.
It's just not those kind of

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short standalone statements.
There's kind of a unifying theme

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of those verses in those opening
chapters when I don't want to

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steal Thunder ahead, but when
Solomon is kind of talking to

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what appears to be his son.
No, you're exactly right.

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And you know a lot of a lot of
the ways.

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If you look at outlines, it'll
say, you know, chapters one

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through 9 and chapters 31 in
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Some people say 30 and 30
amazingly 31 that that's really

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longer Hebrew poems.
And then everything middles,

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what they call short sayings or
couplets or quads.

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It's not really what you think
of as a unified poem.

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Like one through 9 is like you
can read these, oh, these are

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speeches or poems.
And so it is a little bit a

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little bit different.
It's pretty amazing that, you

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know, there's nine chapters.
It's like pretty extensive, you

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know, developing this before we
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So maybe a good place to start
out is this preamble that, you

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know, we've probably heard
talked about several times, but

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Proverbs 1 and maybe those first
7 verses.

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So you're saying start at the
very beginning?

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You know, it's this, it's this
revolutionary idea surfing and

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see what happens.
It's a very good place to start.

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That's a quote from Sound of
Music, so.

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Oh, I didn't know that.
Great.

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That's good.
I love it.

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So yeah, you want to just read
those 7 verses for us?

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Yeah, it says the proverbs of
Solomon, the son of David, king

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of Israel, to know wisdom and
instruction, to discern the

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sayings of understanding, to
receive instruction in wise

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behavior, righteousness, justice
and equity.

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To give prudence to the naive,
to the youth.

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Knowledge and discretion.
A wise man will hear an increase

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in learning, and a man of
understanding will acquire wise

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counsel.
To understand a proverb and a

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figure.
The words of the wise and their

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riddles.
The fear of the Lord is the

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beginning of knowledge.
Fools despise wisdom and

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instruction.
Very, very good.

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A lot of terms we could spend a
lot of time on opens up.

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I like the way Proverbs laid
out.

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Opens up saying this.
These are the Proverbs of

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Solomon.
He got the title right there.

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Yeah.
And then it's.

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Some other books of the Bible
has said that.

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Tell me like the author, the
title, and then your explicit

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purpose right at the beginning.
That just makes it all.

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Easy.
Yeah, like author of Hebrews.

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Come on, come.
On looking at you, Yeah, Come on

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man.
And and it's purpose we see in

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verse 2 we kind of get to the
point to know wisdom and

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instruction, to understand words
of insight, to receive

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instruction and wise dealing and
righteous justice and equity, to

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give prudence to the simple
knowledge and discretion to the

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youth.
And so we've got all these

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wisdom terms kind of packaged
together.

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The first word, wisdom, we
talked about that Hokuma.

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Second word instruction often
accompany accompanies wisdom and

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is this word that you know,
maybe has this a little bit a

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little bit more sternal, but
harsher correction may be used

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in conjunction with things like
corporal punishment.

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But it's, you know, teaching
someone someone going astray and

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kind of getting them on the
right path that these proverbs

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were written to do that to kind
of align your life give you some

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instruction.
Also, we see this word

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understand has this idea of
distinguishing between right and

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wrong, you know, looking at
relationships and and teasing

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out, you know, correct moral
judgements.

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A couple other words.
We'll go quickly through this so

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we don't get down, you know, two
bucked down in the weeds.

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But in verse three, we come
across wise dealing and in verse

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four, we come across this word
prudence.

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They're not the same word, but
they go together a lot, and I

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think they both speak to
foresight, strategic planning,

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and what's interesting here, we
see that wise dealing is based

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in righteousness, justice, and
equity.

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A lot of these wisdom terms,
especially prudence and wise

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dealing, they're really neutral
words, and they're either

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connected with something moral
like righteousness, and then

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it's wise dealing, or it's
something negative and it's

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being cunning or subtle or
deceitful or scheming.

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Yeah.
'Cause you could have a skill

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and then decide how you're gonna
use that skill.

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That's exactly right.
We read about the serpent in

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Genesis 3.
Some of these words are the same

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words used of him, but he's
crafty because it's not not

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prudence in that same way.
Yeah, that's good.

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And then we get to the audience.
It's written to give prudence to

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the simple knowledge and
discretion to the youth.

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You know, we see you, you
mentioned this, you know, a

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father talking to the to his
son, someone with less life

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experience, maybe more open to
enticement or kind of has to

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make a decision and he's not
firmly planted in his ways.

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That's, you know, a lot of who
Proverbs is written towards.

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Also written for the wise to
hear and increase in learning,

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for someone you know with
understanding to get some

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guidance.
And then we get to really the

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crux of it.
If you've heard anything about

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Proverbs, you've probably heard
verse 7 about the fear of the

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word, a phrase that we see over
and over and over again.

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Yeah, no, no, that's good.
And there's, you know, there's

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also places that says the
fullest said in his heart, there

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is no God is that that may be a
proverb or a Psalm or it may

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appear in a couple places, but
it's kind of like the restating

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of, you know, the fear of the
Lord is the beginning of.

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Knowledge and wisdom.
If you don't have the fear of

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the Lord, or if you reject it,
then you're kind of on the

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opposite of that.
Yeah, that that's good because

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that's going to be the theme.
It's kind of like Psalm one,

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you're going righteous, you're
going wicked.

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Make make your choice.
And to your point, we look at

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this word full.
There are a variety of Hebrew

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words that could be translated
for full.

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One is Nabal that we see in this
story, right?

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I mean, I was, I was listening
to this lesson.

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I was like, what parent name
their child?

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Nabal or nabal or however it's
pronounced?

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What a yeah.
That's great.

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And it's like, oh, man, yeah,
that that that's not what you

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want.
Another one of these Hebrew

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words, Kessel means dual or
thick headed.

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The idea is wrong.
Decisions are made not because

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you're not smart, but because
you don't listen.

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You're kind of set in your ways.
Another one E will.

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I'm probably saying these Hebrew
words wrong just refers to a

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moral deficiency, lack of
self-control typically seen in

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speech or temper or that kind of
thing.

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So that really sets the stage
for the rest of this lengthy

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introduction.
The rest of chapters one through

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9 are really 10 or 11 lectures.
Kind of depends on how you

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categorize them of a father
talking to a son.

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And what we also see are these
little interludes in between

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where Lady Wisdom, she's calling
out in the streets, you know,

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she's in the marketplace, she's
setting a banquet and so.

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Does she have a elite duck call
with her and she's calling out?

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You know, I I don't know what
translation it is, but I think I

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did see that in one.
Of these translations, maybe the

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the message or something.
Something like that.

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The the Hunter's Bible, you
know, you see, like all these

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like theme Bibles.
Yeah, that, that.

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That would be good.
Yeah.

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You know, she's she's got her
Mallard call calling out.

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Will anyone listen to me?
Oh, that, that is so, so good.

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Oh, yeah, that's great.
So you've got these, these

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lectures from a father to a son.
And there's a bunch of different

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themes that that he hits.
But over and over and over

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again, you can kind of boil down
his lectures to two things.

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He's saying, son, avoid these
pitfalls.

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They are going to take you off
the path of wisdom.

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These are foolishness.
These are folly.

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And then he keeps reminding his
son wisdom is good.

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Here are some benefits of
wisdom.

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If you pursue wisdom, you can
expect all these other good

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things.
Who do you?

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Think he was talking to not Rhea
Bohm.

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Yeah, I didn't.
I didn't think about this like

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that.
Yeah.

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Yeah, like.
I mean, do you think he's

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talking to an actual literal son
of his, or do you think it's

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like the son in the abstract
that he's writing these down?

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Man, yeah, that's a that's a
really good question that that's

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a great question to think
through with all the many

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children that I'm sure he had.
You know, who is this directed

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towards?
And, you know, I, I'd be

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interested to get understand
more about how this book was,

449
00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:51,080
you know, compiled ultimately,
because it seems like there's a

450
00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:53,520
bunch of different collections,
you know, stemming from Solomon.

451
00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:55,000
But how?
But who this was, too.

452
00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:56,240
Yeah.
Be like, come on, come on,

453
00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:57,120
Rebel.
Let's get it.

454
00:22:57,600 --> 00:22:58,960
Let's get it.
Get it together.

455
00:22:59,960 --> 00:23:02,080
And this is probably worth
noting, too, the foolish

456
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,040
obstacles that he tells his son
to avoid.

457
00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:05,640
There's a lot of different
things.

458
00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:09,600
But over and over again he talks
about, you know, don't don't try

459
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:13,560
to make easy money through in
just ways by joining the wicked

460
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,720
and taking advantage of someone
or hurting someone or murdering

461
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,240
someone.
Then the other side is avoid

462
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:22,960
this easy casual non committal
sex that that is going to be a

463
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,840
major pitfall that's going to
distract you from what's

464
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,680
important.
And when you were researching

465
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:32,080
this that I'm assuming that this
is written towards the end of

466
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,800
Solomon's life or is it
beginning middle, do we know

467
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:38,600
before or after the 700 wives is
really what I want to know?

468
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:42,360
Yeah, that, that that's a good
question.

469
00:23:42,360 --> 00:23:45,760
Exactly where in Solomon's life,
I mean, you would assume it

470
00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,440
might be when he's got all this
wisdom or?

471
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,560
You know, early on.
Maybe.

472
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,000
More early, and then
Ecclesiastes happens towards the

473
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:56,000
end of his life, you think where
he's kind of more looking back,

474
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:59,680
like, man, I did everything and
nothing satisfied.

475
00:23:59,960 --> 00:24:02,040
Yeah, I think, I think there's
some something there.

476
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,480
And maybe we can look at this
when we talk about Ecclesiastes.

477
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:07,480
There's also some, like, weird
phraseology in there where he's

478
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,720
like, I had more than all the
kings in Jerusalem before me,

479
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:14,000
and you're like, David, you're
talking about the wine king.

480
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:15,840
And Saul didn't even rule in
Jerusalem.

481
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:17,880
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like And so it's like, that's a

482
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,120
weird thing to say.
We know there is that thought

483
00:24:20,120 --> 00:24:22,520
that there were the kings of
Salem.

484
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:25,200
That that's true.
So yeah, maybe he's thinking of

485
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:26,960
that.
That's a good point too, because

486
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:28,880
that's usually there's a couple
phrases like that where you're

487
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:31,960
like, it's kind of weird.
And then it's like half of it's

488
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,040
we don't have Ecclesiastes, but
it's like, oh, it's royalty, but

489
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:35,720
it seems like half of this
stuff's not royal.

490
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,440
I don't know.
It's it is a good and then he

491
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,240
doesn't say Solomon in there.
It's weird that that Solomon's

492
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:44,240
named in Song of Songs and in
Proverbs, but not in

493
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:45,760
Ecclesiastes.
That's the Cohelate.

494
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,760
But things we can talk about
that exactly right.

495
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:53,080
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So back back to Proverbs.

496
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:57,240
Maybe we'll touch briefly on
these 4 teachings of lady

497
00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:59,720
wisdom, these interludes.
She's just calling out to the

498
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:04,960
simple like man, go go with me
and A and a big point she's

499
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:08,480
making is, you know, there is a
creator in this world.

500
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:10,840
Wisdom is an attribute of
creation.

501
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,240
Maybe we can talk about this.
I don't know if you've got a

502
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:17,760
strong take on Proverbs 8.
There's this debate the.

503
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,360
Chapter.
Chapter yes, specifically verses

504
00:25:20,360 --> 00:25:23,960
22 maybe through 31 or something
like that where it talks about

505
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:30,120
wisdom being with God at
creation essentially where some

506
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:32,680
would say hey this is a
attribute of God being

507
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:35,320
personified.
I think I would probably fall

508
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:38,560
there and then others would say
no, this is an actual hypostasis

509
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:42,000
like this is actual this is this
is this is not just a

510
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:45,840
foreshadowing of Jesus.
This is Jesus because of some of

511
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:49,320
the language, some there's some
translation challenges here with

512
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:51,920
how you want to word things, you
know, as you know.

513
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:53,840
So anyway, this is actually a
proof text.

514
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:57,480
Arius took to the Council of
Nicaea and said, yeah, Jesus is

515
00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:59,480
divine, but he's not God cause
Proverbs 8.

516
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:02,280
So anyway, it's been a debate
for a long.

517
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,480
Time well, I never have read
through that and thought, oh,

518
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:09,760
that's a Christology there.
I think I've read through it and

519
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:11,840
kind of scratched my head and
gone.

520
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:17,720
I guess this is just a a
characteristic of God, an you

521
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:21,000
know, of God that's been
personified.

522
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:22,960
That's probably where I've I've
landed reading it.

523
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:27,800
Even if it were some type of
Christology here, not

524
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:28,600
Christology.
What am I?

525
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:30,320
What's the word?
Christophany, Yeah, though.

526
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,480
Not the study of Christ, but the
appearance of Christ.

527
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:40,920
If it were a Christophany, I
wouldn't use figurative verse as

528
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:44,760
what I'm going to lean on to to
to try to determine like the

529
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:49,760
real, you know, precise
properties of the second person

530
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,080
of the Trinity.
I'd use maybe some didactic

531
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,320
teaching from the New Testament
when it's more fully.

532
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,560
Revealed now I think I think
that's good and I don't I don't

533
00:26:56,560 --> 00:27:00,760
want to you know slander Arias.
Maybe this was like a supporting

534
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,840
text, not his primary, but I
know this was like debated

535
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:05,560
'cause if you do look.
At the early Saint Nick when you

536
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:06,440
need them, you know what I'm
saying?

537
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:10,160
Come on, Saint Nick, a lot of
the early church you'll look at

538
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,600
like Justin Martyr and Origen
and these people, they would say

539
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:18,320
this is a Christophany.
But then shortly after that, I

540
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,560
think Saint Augustine, you know,
these people are like, well,

541
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,560
it's probably a personified
attribute.

542
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,000
It's hard to.
It's hard to go farther than

543
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:28,440
that.
Yeah, yeah.

544
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:32,960
You know, just thinking back,
you know, when I was an early

545
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:36,360
new believer, like on fire, like
it's easy to see things like

546
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,000
Christ is everything.
So maybe right after Christ

547
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,560
comes out, like they're like,
you know, finding, you know,

548
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:43,960
these Old Testament passages and
being excited about like

549
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:47,280
actively looking for places
where they missed, you know,

550
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,280
Christ some places and maybe
that led them to be a little bit

551
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,920
more over eager to see him in
places that maybe he wasn't

552
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:54,640
really.
Yeah, I, I think there, there's

553
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:58,000
something to that, regardless of
you know, I think there's good

554
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:01,160
people on both, on both sides of
this.

555
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:08,880
The the point is that there is a
creator who utilized wisdom in

556
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,280
in creation.
Because of that, there is order

557
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:14,320
and logic and rationale and
things are orderly.

558
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,080
There are patterns in this
world.

559
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:19,120
There's a cause and effect to a
lot of things we do.

560
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,360
It might not be totally boiled
down to being that simple, but

561
00:28:22,360 --> 00:28:24,960
we definitely see a deed
consequent relationship.

562
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:26,520
Yeah.
I think there are general

563
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:30,640
patterns of life that if you get
up and work hard and respectful

564
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:32,840
for your employer, you're
probably gonna do well.

565
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:34,760
Is that guaranteed?
You're gonna be rich.

566
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:36,640
Is it gonna guarantee you
against some calamity?

567
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,960
No.
If you're, you know, asleep all

568
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:43,200
the time and you're drinking a
lot of wine, you're probably not

569
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,400
going to do well.
Does that guarantee that you

570
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,200
didn't get left a lot of money?
No.

571
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,400
So there are these exception
cases, but we're talking about,

572
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,240
you know, the usual way things
work in life.

573
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:54,680
I think, I think that is so
good.

574
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:59,400
And then and maybe the last part
of our podcast here, I'm gonna

575
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,560
jump to the whole other end of
the book.

576
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:05,520
We're looking at the bookends.
Let's briefly look at chapters

577
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:09,240
30 and 31.
My guys Ager and King Lamuel,

578
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:13,920
everyone's favorite Bible
characters and what's so unique.

579
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:15,960
About I'm surprised they didn't
make it on the basketball teams,

580
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,480
really.
Yeah, we need to do a redraft

581
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,960
one of these days.
What what we see is how the book

582
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,680
ends.
And to me it seems like a

583
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,840
definitive unit because there's
so much similarity in these last

584
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:33,880
two chapters where both of these
authors are clearly non Jewish,

585
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,480
they're not Israelites.
And I was listening to this

586
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,640
'cause I, I'm in the lots of
times I'm in the sound booth.

587
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:41,880
And so I'm, I haven't been
actually in your class, so I

588
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:43,920
have to listen to it afterwards
'cause I probably would have

589
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:47,760
asked you this during class.
But you know, the words of

590
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:53,520
Lemiwell are the Proverbs 31
woman.

591
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,160
Are they also attributed to him
or is that a separate section

592
00:29:56,160 --> 00:30:00,000
that added on later?
So this is debated.

593
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:04,360
And so the two sides people say,
oh, the Proverbs 31 woman, it's

594
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,280
definitely different.
So it looks different.

595
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:12,080
However, I think every section
of Proverbs kind of it's a it

596
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:15,320
kind of has a author associated.
So this would be the only part

597
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,000
of Proverbs that has a is like
an orphan, like it doesn't,

598
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,440
which is not saying it couldn't
happen, but so you got people on

599
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,640
the side saying, Hey, it's
different in the way it seems

600
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,520
like a different type of
writing, but it's not identified

601
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,000
with someone.
And I'm like every other part of

602
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,520
Proverbs is So, you know, I, I
don't, I don't.

603
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,120
Know a lot of people talk about
it being Solomon.

604
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:36,920
Closing it out.
Closing it out, but I don't.

605
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:39,240
Know it?
It depends on who you who you

606
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:41,880
ask, where I think there's good
arguments because.

607
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,000
Sorry to distract you from Agar
and Lemiel.

608
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:46,640
You're good.
We don't really have time to

609
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,800
develop everything, but it's
really fascinating looking at

610
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:53,920
some of there's translation
issues, especially the words of

611
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:57,000
Agar beginning like what's he
trying to say?

612
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,120
I think the NESB translated
translates much different than

613
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,120
the ESB.
And so it's just interesting

614
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,360
some of this stuff.
But all that to say, the words

615
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:09,480
of Agar start out saying this is
an Oracle.

616
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,360
The words of King Lambie will
say that too.

617
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,560
So 2 non Jewish people starting
out with oracles, the way they

618
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:18,440
start their writings are are
pretty similar and they both

619
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:23,120
being non Jews appeal to special
revelation in some capacity.

620
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:26,640
We see Ager saying he's been
looking for wisdom everywhere,

621
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,080
he's weary, he's worn out.
He grew up not a Jew.

622
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:30,840
He didn't have knowledge of the
Holy One.

623
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:34,000
And did he convert?
And I would assume that that he

624
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,840
did based on this, I don't think
we've got a lot of information

625
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,360
on him.
But then he, you know, as he's

626
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,440
talking, he kind of sounds a lot
like Job.

627
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,880
He says, you know, who's
ascended to heaven and come

628
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,120
down, who's gathered the wind in
his first, who's done this,

629
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:50,000
who's done that?
Really only only one has done

630
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:51,400
that.
And that would be that would be

631
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:53,280
God.
And and his he shifts to saying

632
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:58,640
every word of God proves true.
We get to this point where in

633
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,200
verses 7 through 9, I think he
had this is the only prayer

634
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,320
recorded in Proverbs, really
good prayer about not, you know,

635
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,080
about having too much, not
having too little.

636
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:10,360
And then some would even say
things kind of change from here.

637
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:13,200
And maybe this is not ager.
This is different kind of the

638
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:14,880
same thing with King Lambiel.
Like the second-half looks

639
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:16,800
different and we've got these
really weird.

640
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,440
I didn't talk about this in the
class, but these really weird

641
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,680
three things.
Four, there's three things that

642
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:24,960
are wonderful or whatever, and
four things that are hard and

643
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,160
and it's those are fun that go
through and talk through because

644
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,600
they're, I think pretty, pretty
interesting talking about a lot

645
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:35,480
of general revelation, talking a
lot about the created order and

646
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:39,240
things going on there.
But the point I want to point

647
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:43,000
out is, you know, it both both
kind of ends talking about the

648
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:47,280
importance of Scripture.
And then Proverbs 31 in second

649
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,000
to last verse talks about a
woman who fears the Lord.

650
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,720
It's really the embodiment of
this wisdom that we see at the

651
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:54,840
beginning and we're closing out
that way.

652
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:59,120
So everything's kind of just
immersed in the fear of the

653
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,840
Lord.
It's immersed in you can be wise

654
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,360
and walk in the fear of the
Lord, or you can be foolish and

655
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,320
do do your own thing.
And that's really the context.

656
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,240
The middle section, these short
pithy sayings, they it sits

657
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,400
right in between those things.
Yeah.

658
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,560
And if we're walking in the fear
of the Lord, that should

659
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:20,280
motivate us to choose wisely,
which, you know, I think there

660
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:25,160
is an aspect of fear that is, is
a healthy, respectful fear that

661
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:29,040
we can have in a in awe of him
being our creator.

662
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:32,920
But then that should help us to
do exactly what Proverbs is

663
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:36,760
meant to do, is to, you know,
make these choices that we kind

664
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:40,080
of know to be good and to be
reminded of, but it helps us to

665
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:43,520
be, you know, wise and
discerning in our living.

666
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,240
You know, I think that's good.
And I'll briefly say, you know,

667
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,120
it's really hard.
We'll talk about this maybe next

668
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,440
time.
It's hard to tease out some of

669
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,400
these blessings.
We get these benefits of wisdom.

670
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:54,280
It's hard to tease out the
spiritual from the physical.

671
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,320
They're all kind of wrapped
together here.

672
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:59,680
But the Father talking to the
Son basically says, hey, if you

673
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choose wisdom, you're gonna have
prosperity, you're gonna have

674
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,640
security, you'll be content.
You'll have a long life.

675
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,120
You'll have good relationships
with God and man.

676
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,760
You'll have well-being.
You should have good health.

677
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:13,400
Again, not saying this is like
defended, but these are all

678
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,159
things the Father's saying.
If you do this, you can expect

679
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:17,880
all of those things.
Sounds like a pretty good list.

680
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,639
Right, that's good.
All right, very good.

681
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:26,440
Any final thoughts on Proverbs,
the bookends, and the structure

682
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:30,760
and layout?
I I think that is all yeah, take

683
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,679
time, read, read through those
together because I think I'm

684
00:34:33,679 --> 00:34:36,040
always just like chomping up a
bit to get into these like short

685
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,320
pithy sayings.
But it's good to think about

686
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,280
these larger sections but.
That's all I got.

687
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:41,679
So next Thursday we'll we'll
get.

688
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:43,040
Into that, there we go.
Love it.

689
00:34:43,159 --> 00:34:45,080
Yes.
All right, all right, all right.

690
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:48,840
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691
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