Wisdom Literature Part 3

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All right, Zach, I'm teaching
Sunday school next week and it's

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delighting in differences.
And one of those things are

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planning versus not planner.
Are you a planner or not

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planner?
And I'm gonna I think a lot of

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people think that people who
quote UN quote are not planners

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are kind of lazy.
You know what I'm saying?

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They don't want to do it but.
But you need to defend yourself,

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yeah.
What I would say is some people

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find comfort in leaving their
options open.

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That's but some people feel
comfort in having knowing what

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is going to happen.
Like if you don't know what's

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going to happen, I don't feel
comfort about that.

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And some people are like, man,
if we plan 3 weeks out in

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advance, maybe something better
comes along the line and now

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it's harder to switch up type of
type of thing.

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So the planner of all planners
that I'm aware of is my

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mother-in-law.
OK.

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Got shout out.
She asks for my kids Christmas

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wish list like in August or
September.

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That's amazing.
It's crazy to the point of they

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give em they they'll put
together a list, they'll give it

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to her, she'll buy it, wrap it
and then forget what she got

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them.
That's.

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Pretty cool, Bianco.
It's like Christmas for her.

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She's excited to see what
they're gonna.

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Open.
That's right.

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So the last two years and we're
trying to figure out how to get

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around this like we'll, you
know, November time frame.

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We'll see.
All right, kids, what's your

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Christmas list?
Well, this is the one I gave

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Juju.
OK, Juju, what did you get?

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Honestly, I don't remember.
And we're like, how do we get

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gifts off of this?
We could just go out on our own

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and get stuff.
It's like, how do we buy stuff

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without knowing whether cause a
couple like I think two or three

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years ago we did duplicate
something.

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Oh, gotcha.
Yeah.

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And so we're like.
So this will be the second year

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in a row we're trying to figure
out how to not do this next

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year.
We're having what we're calling

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second Christmas.
I like it.

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So I like it.
What we told the kids before

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Christmas, like we know one
thing that we got one of you,

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but really we don't know what to
get because we don't know what

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Juju got you.
So let's let's go to Arkansas.

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Let's have Christmas there.
You can update your Christmas

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list after that and give us a
update Christmas list.

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And so we're finally getting
around too.

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I like that.
That's nice because it's like

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Christmas is, I wouldn't say
it's too much, but it's kind of

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too much, especially like my
kids are so small, so their

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gifts are not expensive and they
get it's like they're getting

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too much at once.
Spreading it out is better.

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And we had like some family come
in where we, you know, could

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spread it out over like four or
five days and that's so much

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better than one day.
So I like, I like it just, you

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know, keep it, keep it going a
little bit and it.

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Makes it seems like you know,
it's not too far away, you know?

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It's not too far away.
That's right.

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Yeah.
Yeah, cause.

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'Cause that day after Christmas
is a tough day.

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It is when you're like, I gotta
wait all year.

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I know, have you have have I
told you what?

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Our family tradition is this.
I think you have.

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I'm not.
I'm not remembering it.

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This, we've probably done this
as a family for three or four

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years now, but Chloe was doing
on her own without like, 'cause

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it, like you said, it was such
a, this is so Christmas so far

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away.
She would go on December 26th,

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look herself in the mirror and
say Christmas will be here

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before you know it.
And then she told us about that.

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She's like this year, we should
all do it.

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And this is probably four or
five years ago.

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So we we all get in the in the
bathroom and look at the mirror

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and say Christmas will be here
for you.

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Now look yourself in the mirror
and say those words.

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That's great, you know, I love
it.

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I'm excited to see what people
got for 2nd.

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Christmas.
Yeah, Yeah.

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Yeah, off the report back.
You know what's?

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I guess I could tell you now
because this would be coming

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that's.
Great.

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Yeah.
What we get, Yeah.

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Unless something crazy happens,
I'll be like, don't listen to

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that podcast girls.
Oh man, that's funny.

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Yeah, well, I'll ask Chloe how
how it was.

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There's a lot of wisdom in
spreading out Christmas.

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Probably, yeah, Yeah, probably.
Yeah.

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That's probably a way to to
think about it.

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That's right.
So we're gonna segue into this

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wisdom series we're in.
This is the third installments.

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3rd overall, second on Proverbs.
Film love it.

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So we're gonna go ahead and take
it to the next level.

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From the hearts of the Low
Country in South Carolina.

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It's the Take Two podcast where
we take theology to the next

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level.
All right, Michael, second week

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in Proverbs and it was just a,
it was just a heavy lift in

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Sunday school.
So I couldn't do it myself.

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Had to had to call in some
reinforcement.

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That's right.
And, and, you know, I listened

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to it and I thought, man, this
guy might have a future as a

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teacher, you know what I'm
saying?

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I thought it was pretty, pretty
well done.

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He.
Impressed.

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He did very, very well.
Yeah, great.

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He puts in You can talk.
He puts in the Word podcast

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though.
Clearly, that's his.

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That's the major red.
Flag, I know I told him I was

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like, hey, you're dead to me,
'cause I was trying, I was

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trying to talk to him about the
duck, 'cause I was like, but you

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don't listen, do you?
Cause 'cause that the I don't

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know, sorry, sorry for the aside
right as we're trying to launch,

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but I played the quote UN quote
bad that call and it didn't

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sound that.
Bad.

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Oh no, honestly they all sound
like listening to it back I was

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like, it sounds pretty.
Good, yeah.

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Yeah, I will have to have
Clayton critique them.

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That'll be, that'll be good.
But we're in this wisdom series.

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You know, these wisdom books,
Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, Job,

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they answer some really big
questions in life.

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We've talked about Hebrew poetry
last week in the first lesson on

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Proverbs, talked about Proverbs
being patterns, maybe even

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probabilities.
And we talked about this, that

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they're not promises.
Yeah, I listened to a podcast

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today or this week, and the guy
said, you know, probabilities.

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And I, I don't think I would
have picked up on that if we

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hadn't had this discussion.
But he was like, you know,

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probabilities, not promises.
And I would say, I wouldn't say

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that this might be a place where
I disagree with.

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I wouldn't say I would say, I
would say principles.

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Principles, not promises.
Yeah, 'cause it's not like

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you're gambling.
It's like these are general life

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principles.
Things can invey on that.

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But, but overall, if you follow
these principles, you're.

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You're yeah, I like, I like
principles, I like patterns.

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There's like a way, a way the
world works.

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And I don't know if this will,
is this gonna come off the heels

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of Romans 12/9 through 13 or no,
The way we're we're off a little

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bit.
Is it it?

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Will come off the hills of Nine
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That's great.
It's like I as pastor was

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preaching that sermon just
'cause I'm in Proverbs.

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I was like, man, we talked about
Hokhmah, wisdom, godliness and

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action.
This is this is wisdom.

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All these things, you know,
letting your love be sincere

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without hypocrisy and, you know,
being devoted to brothers and

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sisters in Christ and being.
Hopeful.

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I'm sorry.
I might have.

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Yeah, we might have been it.
Will come off of the second-half

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of Love without Hypocrisy.
So it'll come.

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It'll come after still.
Actions we can do.

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Right.
Leaving room for God's

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vengeance, Loving being kind to
your neighbor, you know, not

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getting caught up in wrath.
That's all still wisdom.

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It I, I think that's a great way
to look at it where it's like

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man wise people are people.
Not that I don't think it's bad

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to contemplate and philosophize
great stuff, but that's not like

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only what you do.
It's like you're living life,

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you're doing things like that.
That is so good.

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And so today we'll talk a little
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We talked about this little bit
was kind of like round out maybe

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the rest of Proverbs a little
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Last week we talked about the
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through 9, all these poems and
then Proverbs 30 and 31 and

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talks a lot about fear of the
Lord, wisdom, folly.

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You've got a couple of options.
We'll finally get to some of

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these, you know, short pithy
sayings.

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What comes to my mind when I
think of Proverbs?

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I think of the proverbs.
No, no, that's good.

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When you were telling Clayton
what to talk, did you give him

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any?
What was your instruction?

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So, yeah, so this is great.
I would encourage people to go

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and listen to these.
My, I tried to leave it broad,

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but I've lined up a couple of
different speakers in this class

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that are different ages.
Clayton's like the young man.

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And I told him, you know, speak
about Proverbs or wisdom from a

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young man's perspective because
you get this wisdom passed down

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from father to son.
I think when you're young, like

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Clayton, you look at the world
and you're like, man, the

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world's whatever I make it.
And it's like Proverbs sets

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these paths like I do this or
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And if I do this, if I'm wise, I
can be successful and have peace

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and prosperity.
If I'm foolish, that leads ruin

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and shame.
And it's straightforward, might

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be the wrong word, but you
choose a path.

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And it's pretty stark
foreshadowing.

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We've got some people a little
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more life experience that can
look back and say.

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So you would say old people,
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I wasn't going to say it, but
and it's like, man old enough to

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know that while proverbs are
patterns and principles, it

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doesn't always work out like
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There are some exceptions to the
rule and some of that is

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frustrating.
Maybe paradoxes or we don't see

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the whole perspective, but kind
of getting their take on wisdom

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too.
So it kept it broad.

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I was like Proverbs and let him
take it wherever he want to and

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he he did a really great job.
That's good.

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So where did you want to start?
Did you want to give another

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brief intro to Wisdom
literature?

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Yeah, let's let's go ahead.
Well, maybe we'll do this.

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Let's let's talk about what
Clayton talked about.

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OK, yeah, so he started off and
I, he talked about really these

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three and he, he broadened it
afterwards, 'cause I think he

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threw Moses in there.
Afterwards.

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These three, what we call people
that really started off having

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everything together, Adam the
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He walked and talked with, we
would probably say Christophany

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in the garden and you know, had,
you know, a sinless, you know,

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unbroken communion with God the
Son and man.

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He chose poorly and it all
crashed down after that.

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Fast forward to David and we
see, you know, starting off so

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strong, even, you know, even
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just doing well.
I mean, I maybe not late into

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his late into his wife, mid into
his reign, he's doing so well.

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I think of when, you know, he is
still kind of on it's right

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before Saul dies and the they
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been burnt and they're like the
men are going to turn on them.

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And just his humility there and
his patience with his men and

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his, you know, not getting
caught up in the circumstances

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of of the horizontal, he
immediately goes vertical.

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Praise the Lord, get some
insight.

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Hey, we can, we can go, you
know, track these guys down.

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So like the testimony he has,
and of course we all know his

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fall, you know, with Bathsheba
then lying about it, covering it

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over murdering Uriah.
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think from high it's down to the
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And then from there, Bathsheba's
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know, is, you know, dedicates
the temple, you know, builds it

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from David's, you know,
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But in all of that, it's visited
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you know, make a request to me.
And he's like, you know, I want

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wisdom, I want insight, I want
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And God's like, you could have
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You could have asked for power.
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Maybe it was.
Was it riches in power?

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I think that's right.
I think that makes sense.

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And then he's like, but you
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to give all three to you.
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kind of meteoric rise of Solomon
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his renown, like the Queen of
Sheba comes over and people

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visit him.
He's got this vast empire.

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bringing in foreign ladies,
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And you see this fall and I the
so common question he had from

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there.
I think that's all he listed.

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Do you listen to you?
That's what organized

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PowerPoint, that's what he had.
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So the common question he had,
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that that they lacked?
Because they had had knowledge,

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They they had this
understanding, but they failed

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to act on it.
And so then he went to Proverbs

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2 one through 8.
Did you want to read that for?

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Us.
Yeah, I will read that.

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It starts out saying my child,
listen to what I say and

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treasure my commands.
Tune your ears to wisdom and

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concentrate on understanding.
Cry out for insight and ask for

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understanding.
Search for them as you work for,

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as you would for silver.
Seek them like hidden treasures.

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And then it goes on in verse 5.
Then you will understand what it

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means to fear the Lord, and you
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For the Lord grants wisdom.
From His mouth comes knowledge

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and understanding.
He grants a treasure of common

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sense to the honest.
He is a shield to those who walk

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in integrity.
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and protects those who are
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That's good.
And so his point in, in all this

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was the action verbs, the that
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knowledge and understanding into
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So he highlighted several
different action verbs there

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listening.
And he had, you know, I thought

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he just did a great job of
giving some different pictures

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'cause he was talking about, you
know, I was in back-to-back labs

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when I was in biology.
He's like, let me tell you, by

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the middle of that first one, my
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if I was, you know, at all,
because it just all blended

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together.
But listening is an action if

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you're doing it, if you're truly
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And, and I will say this, the
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And that's where the analogies
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They they just weren't as good.
They I didn't understand.

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It made me less.
I understood less.

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Hey, don't listen to him,
Clayton.

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I thought your next analogy was
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I mean, I was like, this guy
needs to be a regular teacher at

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CBC 'cause he was talking about
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And like, if you think of anyone
treasuring something, you think

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of Gullum or Smeagol treasuring
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And he was like, my precious,
you know, I was waiting for that

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impression.
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Yeah.
And so, I mean, great, great

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analogies, tuning your ears to
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You know, this has this idea of
attunement or you know, if in

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music, you know, you have to all
get to a standard pitch, you all

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tune up to some standard so that
we're all playing together.

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And obviously in wisdom, we're
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And so it's making those
adjustments so that we're in

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line with him, concentrating on
your understanding, crying out

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for insight.
I don't know if you remember any

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of the.
Yeah, he kind of paired, I

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think, cry out and ask together.
I think some of that maybe not

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self-explanatory, but we get
that picture that you're

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searching.
I mean you're looking for it.

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And then search and seek, maybe
paired together that if you're

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going to treat wisdom like, like
like money, like I work for my

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money, like I put in time and
effort and it's like, man, do we

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put in time and effort for
understanding wisdom, that kind

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of thing, because we need to.
If you don't that, that's where

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you make mistakes.
If you do all of those things

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verse 5 says, then you will
understand what it means to fear

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the Lord, and you will gain
knowledge of God.

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Yeah, I appreciate the point he
made here too, because I grew up

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where it seemed like pastors
were wanting to soften this fear

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of the Lord.
It's like a respect and it's

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not.
It is respecting him, but I

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think there is a genuine.
I do too.

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Fear that you should have like.
Like why doesn't it say just

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have a healthy, healthy
reverence, but let's not go

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crazy.
You read through Hebrews 12 like

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he's going to chastise the sons
that he loves and you read

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through the end of the the upper
room discourse and where he's

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like, you know, I'm going to
prune you and so that you you

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can bear more like.
So those are things that are

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going to be brought into our
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And if they're, you know, you
can be pruned and not be

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sinning, but oftentimes, you
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So there's always places where
God can find, you know, ways to

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help more and more sanctify us.
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No, I, I think that's good.
And I think that we all, I mean,

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if we love something, run
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We fear something, we run, you
know, towards it or away from it

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too.
It's like, what do you fear the

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most 'cause sometimes we don't
fear consequences or fear our

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bad actions at all.
It's or you know, we fear God

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less than we fear not doing
these things.

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It's like we, we all have that.
So I did like then he tried to

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substantiate that claim with
bunch of different examples of

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maybe people not having any fear
of the Lord with how they acted.

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Yeah, and I, I just thought
this, I, I, I kudos 'cause I

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thought this was a good
application of, you know, his

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point was holiness is sometimes
hard to understand and maybe

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pictures of God's holiness in
the Old Testament are the best

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because we know the God of the
Old Testament and God of the New

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Testament are the same.
So he brought up these three

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different pictures. 1 was Nadab
and Abaihu and you know, they,

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they don't get the we don't
really know if they did it on

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purpose or they just slightly
missed the formula for the

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incense or they're, they're
maybe like trying to be, you

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know, show their creativity and
God's going to bless it, but

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God's like, no, I gave you what
you're supposed to be burning.

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This is a strange fire.
Boom, they're both.

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So are you telling me they
weren't trying to speak in

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tongues or something 'cause John
MacArthur wrote a book on called

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Strange Fire and it's I'm just
kidding, but yeah.

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That's, you know, Oh, man, Yeah.
No, I don't think they're trying

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to speak in tongues.
And then you know Aza.

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Is it Isaiah Aza?
I think it is Aza.

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Aza, this guy that is walking
along the cart.

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I feel for this guy.
And it, you know, ignorance, but

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it wasn't bliss.
No man just stepping in and

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trying.
I mean, I can see myself doing

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the same thing, like, oh, I want
to protect God's holy ark from

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touching the ground.
Right.

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And was he in the line of
priests, or was he just like a

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bystander?
That's even a better question.

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'Cause if he was in the line of
priests, there's some

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culpability.
Like you should have read up and

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known how to support transport
this because it wasn't on the

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back back of.
A I can think through like, like

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stakes, obviously much lower,
but elementary school or sports

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or something where your coach
says something 100 times, like

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don't leave your feet to make a
pass or something.

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I can or like when you do
something basketball and I find

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myself knowing not to do it, but
I do it instinctively and you're

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like, oh, I shouldn't have done
it, but I but I I know better.

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Yeah, yeah.
And it's like, man.

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Cause gotta get rid of that ball
cause yeah.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
You're trying to do that.

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Right.
You know you're not.

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I'm going down, I'm going down.
The ball has to like I can.

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Shoot, but I'm like, I would do
this a lot in basketball to

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drive.
I would like go up and pass it.

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I felt like I was pretty good at
it, but my coach was always

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like, don't you know, sometimes
it works out, but there's these

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little sayings that you do and
it's like just be disciplined.

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I'm sure in football you had a
lot of things like do this, do

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this, and people just weren't
always disciplined.

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You have to like drill that kind
of stuff.

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Yeah, yeah.
You don't like when you're doing

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pass blocking as a offensive
lineman, you always had to have

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the foot in contact with the
ground.

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You cannot.
Because if if you say like if

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you get your feet off the
ground, that defensive lineman

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can basically you've lost all
your leverage again and.

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It probably seems easy in the
moment to like, let me just like

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get a step here or put pull my
weight into this.

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Or I'm going to really explode
in and jump into the person.

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And we'd run drills over and
over and over again.

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And they you, you get tired of
the drills, but it's like, we do

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it now so that it has to be your
instinct.

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It has to be your instinctual.
Yeah.

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Physically instinctual, yeah.
That's great.

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And then he closes out talking
about Moses.

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Yeah, I don't remember the
illustrates.

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On top of my head.
You just listen to it, yeah.

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Yeah, I was going to let you
roll with it.

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So Moses, you know, he's dealing
with this complaining people.

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And if you've ever been around
children a long time, you know

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that complaints can rise.
And eventually he gets fed up

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and, you know, he strikes the
rock the first time to bring

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water, but then the second time
he's just supposed to speak to

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the rock.
And again, you know, like what's

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going through your mind, Moses?
Are you just, are you mad?

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Are you not paying attention?
You know what it is?

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But he strikes the rock again.
And I've heard people say, you

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know, striking the rock was like
a picture of crucifying Christ,

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and Christ is not going to be
crucified a second time.

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I don't know if that's what it
is or it was just disobedience.

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You.
Know.

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Or maybe God just was like
Moses, you know, you don't need

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to be going into the promised
land anyways, cause but anyways,

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he disobeys God.
That's the point.

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And God says, because you
disobeyed me, you're not going

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in the promised land.
So that's God's holiness on

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display.
And oftentimes His Holiness

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catches us off guard.
It's like, oh, this was what you

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expected?
We just thought you.

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Yeah, we presume mercy, all that
it's like we just know God,

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God's going to be merciful or,
you know, it's like, yeah,

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great, great examples connecting
that.

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And so he brings it back to you
got this knowledge and and we

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have so much knowledge.
It's like, but action must

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accompany that knowledge.
He's going to go and then he's

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going to jump to the New
Testament because.

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Why not?
Why not, you know, got to go?

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And he goes to the New Testament
Wisdom book of James chapter 1,

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verses 22 through 25, which
says, But be doers of the word

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and not hearers only deceiving
yourselves.

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For if anyone is a hearer of the
word and not a doer, he is like

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a man who looks intently at his
natural face in a mirror.

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If he looks at himself and goes
away and not once forgets what

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he was like, but the one who
looks into the perfect law, the

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law of liberty, and perseveres,
being no hearer who forgets, but

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a doer who acts, he will be
blessed in his doing for this a

445
00:21:52,360 --> 00:21:52,920
lot.
I remember.

446
00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:54,840
I think you turned on this one
time and you, like, kept

447
00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:56,480
something on your face or
something, like in a Sunday

448
00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:57,880
school.
It might have not been like your

449
00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:00,760
expositing this, but it was like
maybe an example for something

450
00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:03,280
and you came in with like a mark
on your face and like, acted

451
00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:04,200
like there is nothing.
Yeah.

452
00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:06,200
Yeah, did I?
Was it on my face or maybe on

453
00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:07,480
my?
Yeah, it was something like

454
00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:08,680
that.
I can't remember exactly, but

455
00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:12,120
yeah, there you go.
But yeah, this, this is a

456
00:22:12,120 --> 00:22:13,480
through line all throughout
Scripture.

457
00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:16,040
Like knowledge is great but man
you got to have more.

458
00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:16,960
You got to do it.
That's right.

459
00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:19,880
That's good.
Easier said than ton.

460
00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:22,560
Oh yeah, even talked about some
wartime analogies, that kind of

461
00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:24,120
thing.
Oh, and and and was like, man,

462
00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:26,840
we look at the New Testament and
it's a battlefield.

463
00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:31,400
It's like a it's a pursuit.
It's more than just coasting

464
00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:33,360
through life and being zapped
with wisdom.

465
00:22:33,360 --> 00:22:37,240
Talked about like Ephesians 6,
Second Timothy 2 talking about

466
00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:39,320
as a soldiers.
First Timothy 1 waged the good

467
00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:41,640
warfare.
First Timothy 6 fight The good

468
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,080
fight slideshow keeps going
going.

469
00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:46,360
I keep forgetting.
I'm like, man.

470
00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:49,480
I don't think he cover, I think
he must have, he must have

471
00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:53,040
skipped over.
Sorry, this 'cause I don't I

472
00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:54,200
don't remember hearing all of
that.

473
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:57,240
Action in in the middle of
wisdom that that was a really

474
00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:00,160
great encouragement.
Then we kind of rounded out the

475
00:23:00,360 --> 00:23:04,960
the rest of our time talking
about some hermeneutical issues

476
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:06,320
with problem.
Maybe not issues, but things to

477
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:08,440
keep in mind and some
theological big picture.

478
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:10,960
I just want to say you got a
round of applause after

479
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:11,960
teaching.
He did.

480
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:13,880
He got.
So I was like, if I that guest

481
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,880
teach, you think people would
give me a round of applause too?

482
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:20,240
Yeah, that's funny.
You should do it and be like

483
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:22,040
waiting, like just just wait up
their back.

484
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:23,400
Anything you guys are
forgetting?

485
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:26,080
Maybe I can help you out a
little bit.

486
00:23:27,120 --> 00:23:30,280
Yeah, start the slow class.
That's.

487
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:32,200
Seems like a Michael Scott thing
to do.

488
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:34,640
That's pretty.
Pretty amazing.

489
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:38,320
So well done, Clayton.
Hope to, you know, hear more of

490
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:39,400
that.
He's been on a hot drink, you

491
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:41,000
know, giving his testimony than
this.

492
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,800
So I I missed his testimony
because I don't I hear it's

493
00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:44,880
recorded.
So I need to go back and.

494
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:46,840
Listen, yeah, it's it's recorded
in a couple places.

495
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,080
So yeah, we've got like that
probably the actual recording.

496
00:23:50,360 --> 00:23:52,720
And then Anita Marshall sat on
the front row and recorded.

497
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:56,160
So we we got like the surround.
Sounds I heard that I heard that

498
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,240
that he was sitting there and
he's like and next thing I know,

499
00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:01,080
like this phone is like right,
but they're getting getting me

500
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:02,800
recorded.
So you could either listen to

501
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:04,560
like the up close and personal
audio.

502
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:06,960
I guess it was miked up too.
So it's all all good.

503
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,360
We'll, we'll round out in the
next few minutes.

504
00:24:09,360 --> 00:24:11,680
We, we talked about the good
news is we did talk about some

505
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,840
of these hermeneutical
questions, problems, maybe some

506
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:18,840
challenges in Proverbs.
It can seem disconnected.

507
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,320
We did talk about this.
I used this example in Proverbs

508
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:24,680
20 where like the first verse
talks about wine and the second

509
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,680
about a king being angry, the
3rd about laziness, the next one

510
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:30,280
about quarreling.
And it's like, man, is there any

511
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:32,560
rhythm?
And that's why it's important to

512
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:36,000
couch it or to frame it within
chapters one through 9 because

513
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:37,360
it's going to hit a bunch of
stuff.

514
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,320
And I do think, I don't know if
you have thoughts on this or

515
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:42,080
not, but the more I was looking
at it, there are some through

516
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,480
lines in the collections of
Proverbs.

517
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:46,640
Sometimes some of these are hard
to see, they seem kind of

518
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:50,240
random, but there's the more you
spend time in it, you can see

519
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:53,440
some, even though not all of
them are so nice and neat, like

520
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:55,160
some of them are kind of neat
where oh, these are more

521
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,600
negative or these are positive,
but some of them are just kind

522
00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:00,160
of bouncing around.
There was a time where I

523
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:03,640
probably for two or three months
in a row, I did the I'm going to

524
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:07,360
read the corresponding date and
then I was like, OK, I got to

525
00:25:07,360 --> 00:25:08,760
move on.
I can't.

526
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:12,280
I can't.
I was like, I don't know.

527
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:15,320
So I think if there's someone
whose personality was given over

528
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:19,040
that and they really just dug
deep into it, and what I would

529
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:22,240
have to do is I'd have to start
like cataloguing it and tagging

530
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:25,920
scriptures, and then I got this
new software.

531
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:27,280
Sweets.
Free.

532
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:28,120
Yeah.
What is it?

533
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:33,760
Obsidian and a lot of people use
it for like story building, like

534
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,240
a character or it's like writing
a book because you can tag

535
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:38,200
almost makes it like a
Wikipedia.

536
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:40,640
But I was thinking you could use
this for Bible study too,

537
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,560
because you that's pretty cool.
You can like create these little

538
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:47,080
things like if you wanted
something on wisdom and then you

539
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:48,840
were reading like, oh, this
verse is on wisdom and then you

540
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,160
could just list those verses and
you could link to them.

541
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,120
So then that's pretty cool.
It would make a pretty, pretty

542
00:25:53,120 --> 00:25:55,200
good good thing.
But so if I were going to do

543
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,680
like an in depth study of
Proverbs, I'd probably pull out

544
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,400
something like that and start
and start sorting it.

545
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,000
And then you can see like, OK,
here are all the verses that

546
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:05,840
relate to wine.
Here are all the verses that

547
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:09,520
relate to, you know, overeating
here, you know, whatever happens

548
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,200
to be so.
Yeah, no, that, that's pretty

549
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:12,920
good.
And a couple of resources.

550
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:14,880
I said this at the end of the
class, but I would recommend,

551
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,280
like again, I said this guy's
name, Bruce Waltke, He's

552
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,440
awesome.
He's got videos where he's

553
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,960
teaching like a seminary class
or something and those are

554
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:25,280
pretty accessible and you can
just zoom into whatever part of

555
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:29,280
Proverbs you want to listen to.
He's got like a very technical

556
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:31,480
commentary that I would
recommend if you're going to

557
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:33,400
like spend like a year in
Proverbs or you're like, I think

558
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:34,320
it's made.
If you're preaching through

559
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:36,400
Proverbs, you have like some
familiarity with the original

560
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,520
languages.
I was like, man, a lot of this

561
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:42,640
is tough, but he does a good job
of trying to catalogue and sing

562
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,760
some of that stuff.
I came across another

563
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,160
commentary.
It's written or video.

564
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:47,560
It's.
Written.

565
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,400
It was like maybe written like
in the 80s or something to

566
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,080
commentary.
He does have a lot of what his

567
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,600
commentary is in video form if
he's teaching through a class to

568
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:58,000
seminary level students, but
it's like super well done.

569
00:26:58,360 --> 00:27:02,360
It's like multiple volumes and
he's like it's like one of the

570
00:27:02,360 --> 00:27:06,280
modern go TOS from like the
last, you know, 30 years or so,

571
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,680
maybe more than that, I guess
40-50 years that are that are

572
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:09,800
really good.
Another one I found that was

573
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,040
small that's really good is by a
guy named Derek Kidner.

574
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:15,600
I think he was like a pastor in
Great Britain or something.

575
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,840
Me and he wrote this like in the
60s, but he wrote this for

576
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:22,480
layman, which if you write it
for the layperson 1960s, it's

577
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,120
like it's like a little bit,
it's like, it's like a sweet

578
00:27:25,120 --> 00:27:27,800
spot where it's not too hard to
read, but it's like it's

579
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:31,680
challenging, but it's it's
concise and he tries to organize

580
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:35,160
things, but in a little bit
easier to, to understand way.

581
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:38,240
And it's like so, so great.
And what these guys, what they

582
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,920
point out is as you're reading
Proverbs, even these Proverbs,

583
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:44,000
chapter 10 through 29, there
even is a little bit of a

584
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:45,320
progression.
Even if you just look at

585
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:49,000
Solomon's Proverbs than 10
through 22, like his first

586
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,400
collection and 10 through 15,
you see a lot of purely

587
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,960
antithetical proverbs.
The righteous do this, the

588
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,760
wicked do this, black and white,
total contrast.

589
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,800
But then once you get to chapter
16 through 22, you get into some

590
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:03,880
better than Proverbs and it's
more nuanced.

591
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,200
It's not saying the righteous
are going to be wealthy or

592
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,440
prosperous.
It's saying it's good to be

593
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,400
righteous and not have a lot of
material possessions rather than

594
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:13,760
unrighteous and be rich.
And you can start seeing more of

595
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:18,120
that principle, more realistic,
like so even kind of see that

596
00:28:18,120 --> 00:28:21,240
flow in Proverbs.
So I think it's good to just

597
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,760
know the way, the direction it
goes, how it's structured,

598
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,440
because I think that helps us
just understand this book a

599
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:29,680
little bit better.
That's good.

600
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:34,080
And then so through there, as
you've been studying Proverbs,

601
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:35,360
you're talking about major
themes.

602
00:28:35,360 --> 00:28:38,640
Have you ever been in the class
that or or a sermon series where

603
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,240
they did teach it topically and
picked up on some of these

604
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:42,880
themes?
Or not I, I've been in like, not

605
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:44,680
like a Sunday morning thing, but
maybe it was like a Wednesday

606
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,000
night or like a Bible study or
something like that.

607
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,040
And they would kind of pick
different, different themes.

608
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:54,040
And I saw a lot of this
organization from Kidner because

609
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,880
it, it, he does such a good job
of compiling all of these

610
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,320
things.
And, but I haven't, I haven't

611
00:28:59,320 --> 00:28:59,920
recently.
Have you?

612
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:06,520
Not it was when I was probably
in high school that we had a

613
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,840
Sunday sermon series through the
Proverbs.

614
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:13,640
And and, you know, they picked,
picked, you know, some of the

615
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:15,800
Proverbs.
This guy happened to believe

616
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,520
that consuming alcohol was a
sin.

617
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,200
Yeah.
I'm obviously, clearly getting

618
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,360
drunk as a sin.
I don't think mere consumption

619
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,120
is a sin.
But you know, he hit those.

620
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,200
The ones you know, Wine is a
mocker, Strong Dream is

621
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:31,480
whatever.
Whatever that one is.

622
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:33,680
He hit that one pretty hard a
couple times.

623
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:38,240
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So, you know, there you go.

624
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:42,160
But looking at some of these
main themes, well, the overall

625
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,480
world view of Proverbs is that
God is sovereign.

626
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,800
I, I picked out a few of these
proverbs where it's like, you

627
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:48,680
know, the lot lot is cast into
the lap.

628
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,520
But but it no matter it's
gambling or it seems like it's

629
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:53,720
chance, God's really behind
that.

630
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,880
God only needs one chance, 1
ticket to help you win the

631
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:58,840
lottery, right?
Yeah, 'cause it's, it's not,

632
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:00,640
it's not chance for him, it's
chance for us.

633
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,240
But it's he knows.
No, it's so good.

634
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,120
The proverb about, you know, a
King's heart is like a stream of

635
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,040
water.
You know, they're they're these

636
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,600
kind of proverbs are all
scattered throughout sovereignty

637
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:14,240
of God is affirmed.
Even though there's a lot of ask

638
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:18,320
of you as an individual to make
these wise decision creation

639
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:22,480
order is in there.
Proverbs has a lot of different

640
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,760
proverbs that kind of hints at
this life after death.

641
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,280
Maybe it's not super explicit.
A lot of people look at Proverbs

642
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,760
or look at the Old Testament and
are like, we really don't read

643
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:31,760
about a resurrection until
Daniel 12.

644
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:34,200
But you'll get a lot of Psalms,
a lot of Proverbs, and, and

645
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,120
maybe we're reading into it with
what we know, but it's, it seems

646
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,880
like it's more than just what
they're saying or it seems like

647
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,760
something's out there, right?
Like that, there's going to be

648
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:46,160
justice in the next phase.
Yeah, like there's something to

649
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:51,360
expect in the future, which I
think think keeping that long

650
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,800
horizon in mind is helpful with
proverbs.

651
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:58,000
And then a lot of these topics
are, you know, hit over and over

652
00:30:58,000 --> 00:30:59,120
again.
We talked about wisdom.

653
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,920
There's foolishness, the
sluggard friendship, power of

654
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,960
word, family, life and death,
All of these things.

655
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,800
We kind of took a little bit of
time and looked at, looked at

656
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,040
words.
There's a lot of proverbs on how

657
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,240
powerful words are for good and
evil.

658
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,120
It's Joe's favorite.
Oh, yeah, Yeah, I know.

659
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:17,240
I should have.
I said I didn't say that one

660
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:18,760
because I was like everyone.
I should have said that one.

661
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:22,400
Everyone knows he he's saying
that one a lie, that life and

662
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:22,640
death.
Yeah.

663
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:26,800
And the power of the tongue.
That's great and you know, but

664
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:28,920
even though words are powerful,
there's some proverbs that say,

665
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:30,400
you know, mere talk doesn't get
you anywhere.

666
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,440
You got you got to do something
or you're not going to make any

667
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,600
profit.
Talked about what I liked about

668
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,160
looking at these are what what
do wise words look like?

669
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,000
Well, wise words are honest.
You don't just flatter people.

670
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:44,520
There are few that gets a lot of
us where the more you talk, you

671
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:45,920
just it's like, why am I
talking?

672
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:49,400
You know, they're timely.
It just proverbs give so many

673
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:54,400
practical application of how do
we speak well and so many other

674
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,280
things.
Well, where it probably would be

675
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,200
good to do a six week series
through through some of that

676
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:02,880
stuff, you know, so that that
was a brief overview on some

677
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,840
hermeneutics, some theology that
proverbs hits, some stuff from

678
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,880
Clayton.
It's hard to talk about proverbs

679
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,840
in two weeks, you know, but try
to hit the high points, try to

680
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,000
hit the structure and hope
people can read them, read

681
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:16,960
proverbs on their own because
like you said, everyone reads

682
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,520
proverbs at least a little bit.
It's like knowing just the full

683
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:21,760
bit where things are structured.
I think that helps us understand

684
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:23,440
it a little bit better.
I think that'd be good.

685
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,480
And you've mentioned some of
these sources.

686
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:27,680
Bruce Waltke, is that how you
pronounce?

687
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,960
Yeah, he's like, I don't know,
he he was born in like 19, like

688
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,000
25 or something.
So I think he's still alive.

689
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:35,920
I don't know.
He's not like actively teaching

690
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:37,240
now.
A lot of those videos from like

691
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:41,280
10 or 15 years ago where he's
still like an, an older, older

692
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,120
man.
But he's he's, he's sharp and he

693
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:44,840
knows his stuff.
Derek Kidner.

694
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,960
That's that's the English guy
really good.

695
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,000
NASB study Bible.
Or it really any of these study

696
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,280
Bibles, I'm like, man, if you
just like really with Psalms and

697
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,600
Proverbs, they at least give you
some of that context that maybe

698
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:59,840
you're missing.
I was poking it, yeah 'cause he

699
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:01,000
has ESV study Bible written
down.

700
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,000
So I I switch it to NE.
SV study Bible, that's the one

701
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,440
it it came out the my freshman
year in college and said it was

702
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,040
like so heavily pushed by the
school I went to everyone was

703
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:12,280
getting the ESV study Bible and
then the Bible project.

704
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,560
I think I've said this before, I
don't agree where they land on

705
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:16,320
everything.
I think sometimes they don't

706
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,320
make enough of scripture, but I
think they are great at

707
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:23,000
contextualizing like Hebrew,
ancient Near East kind of

708
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,800
context.
Yeah, I would if I would say go

709
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,360
to them for anything.
Go to them for context and maybe

710
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:31,240
helping see the big picture of a
book, but not some of their deep

711
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,240
down theology because I'm like,
well that's a little scary.

712
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:35,400
They're a little scary, like
they know.

713
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,200
It's like some.
I find this as a trend in people

714
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,440
who like are super into ancient
near Eastern literature.

715
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,640
I think it warps you a little
bit where you just count

716
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,120
scripture just in that context
versus like scripture driving

717
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,240
everything, right?
Because they'll say things like,

718
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,240
I mean, I don't think this makes
you not a believer or anything,

719
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,120
but you know, it's like they're
like Jonah was a parable, not a

720
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:56,720
real.
It's like they like say these

721
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,920
little things that just kind of
chip away at and I'm like, man,

722
00:33:59,920 --> 00:34:01,480
you know, I don't.
Know Jesus talked about.

723
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:03,520
Jonah I know and they even say
that, but they're like, well,

724
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,000
you know, but it's like I think
some of these guys, they can get

725
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,679
like too too much in that.
So I agree with Michael, great

726
00:34:08,679 --> 00:34:12,639
for context to me, most helpful
when it comes to like setting

727
00:34:12,639 --> 00:34:16,159
the stage, but maybe not the
best for every every little

728
00:34:16,159 --> 00:34:19,600
theological detail.
So that's that's going to be it

729
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:23,120
for Proverbs.
Right, So what I've learned is

730
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:27,480
if I do what a proverb says,
guaranteed to get that in my

731
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,320
life.
Take it to the bank blame.

732
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,760
Blame you, Zach, if if it
doesn't work right.

733
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,320
Well, the beautiful thing about
wisdom wonder, I know we did say

734
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,560
proverbs are patterns, they're
principles.

735
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,960
The great thing is that you look
at Ecclesiastes, you look at Job

736
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:44,400
and it's like, man, you can do
everything quote UN quote,

737
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:46,480
right?
And you look at the fallen world

738
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:48,840
and it doesn't always work out
that way.

739
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:52,840
And I think it's important to
get that balanced perspective

740
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:54,560
and see the exceptions to the
rules.

741
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:58,160
Even knowing that you know there
are quote UN quote rules, but

742
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,280
doesn't mean everything follows
that exactly 100% of the.

743
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:05,160
Time, you know, you owe me
something and I owe you

744
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:09,360
something like I you know, we
have, we owe each other to treat

745
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,760
each other in love and to fairly
and for me not to rob you and

746
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:14,640
for me not to murder you, those
types of things.

747
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,920
We have those types of duties
and obligations.

748
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,800
God doesn't owe me anything,
right.

749
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:24,440
So it's like, God, can you know
anything that I get short of

750
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:26,120
hell is is grace.
Yep.

751
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:30,560
And I think as we continue this
series, we'll see this emphasis

752
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:34,920
on what some people call the
retribution principle or a deed

753
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:39,440
consequent relationship where
Proverbs paints even like, like

754
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:41,920
Clayton's going back to I was
going to make this connection to

755
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:46,800
Adam Pattern's kind of, I mean,
Adam the garden's kind of like

756
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:48,160
Proverbs.
Everything's perfect.

757
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:49,120
Things are going to work out
great.

758
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,760
But we're we're we're in exile.
We're in a fallen world.

759
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:55,360
And that's kind of Ecclesiastes
and Joe when we get that big

760
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,760
picture.
But I think, I think it's neat

761
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:00,000
that all these things are
together as wisdom wonder

762
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,680
because you're right, God
doesn't owe us anything.

763
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:07,120
And for us to presume so is man.
And and so Job and his friends

764
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,000
and even Arthur, cause yeah,
they're gonna look at this deep

765
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,200
consequence relationship and
say, man, this is how it's

766
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:12,760
supposed to work.
Like what gives?

767
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:14,800
Like clearly this is the driving
principle.

768
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:16,680
Job, you're not doing that.
His friends will say, so that's

769
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:18,320
why you're and Job's like, I am
doing that.

770
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:19,680
But it's like, man, you're
you're missing the point.

771
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:23,080
It's not about that God, God's
wisdoms above that.

772
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:26,840
So, well, something to look
forward to in the next couple of

773
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:32,080
weeks, but that's our take.
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00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,320
Two.
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775
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