Zeal Without Knowledge | Romans 10:1-13

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Zach, it's November.
November.

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It's so cold outside freezing,
you probably better need an

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extra layer of, you know, hair
follicles.

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You know what I'm saying?
Keep yourself.

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Warm.
That's what that's what we're

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trying.
It is as of recording, this is

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November 12th.
This won't come out till later,

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but I've engaged in no shave
November with a handful of

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others and boy, it's it's rough
out there.

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It's slow going, but we're we're
getting, I've got a few hairs

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on, on on the cheeks, but I I
really thrive in the go.

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To have you seen those things
that you can like, I think they

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have like little micro.
Oh yeah, they're.

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Supposed to like help fill in
your your beard.

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Maybe that's what I'm missing.
Just just do some of that like

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little micro needling stuff.
Maybe slap some Rogaine on the

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old face and call it a.
Day I I guess someone when I was

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younger used those micro things
on my arms and my back so you

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know, but I don't know if I
maybe I've already I, I cannot

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tell when I told these stories,
but I, you know, you hear the

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guy you're like, oh, he looked
like he had a sweater on.

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I was driving maybe a couple
weeks ago I was leaving I think

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it was one of after one of our
elders meetings.

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So I was kind of driving back
around Trident College and there

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was a guy jogging without a
shirt on, but it looks like he

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could have been a wild animal.
Just craziness.

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It's amazing.
There's a guy in college who was

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very much like that too.
We played basketball against him

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and oh man, just it was one of
those, it was one of those

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situations where the neck, the,
the hair just connected all the

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way down here.
There's no, there's no neck.

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It's like all hair.
So I don't know, we'd go to the

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haircut, you know, the barber's
like where?

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Do I?
Where do I start like?

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Oh.
Man.

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Great.
SO yeah, I'm a little bit, you

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know, not looking forward to 18
more days or 92 hour many days.

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But you have a zeal for it.
I've got a zeal, zeal, zeal.

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The the sermon title is zeal
without knowledge.

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We were joking.
Zeal without follicles on the

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side of my face.
So I'm gonna, I'm gonna push

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through, you know, but it's good
to have zeal and knowledge.

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It is good.
That's ideal.

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Zeal, zeal and follicles.
Follicles would be good to have

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this nice beard that that
Michael has.

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So try to make it through it.
If you're watching it, try just

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just ignore.
Just look on one side of the

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screen at Michael's glorious
beard.

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Well, mine is is struggling.
But with that, let's go ahead

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and take it to the next level
from the hearts of the low

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country in South Carolina.
It's the Take Two podcast where

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we take theology to the next
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All right, Zach, you've been to
the Wailing Wall.

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I have, and, and I don't know if
people know this, like when you,

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if you call it the Wailing Wall,
that's actually derogatory.

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They like to call it the Western
Wall, but, but people do, it's

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very often people call it the
Wailing Wall, but you're not

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supposed to say, 'cause it's, I
don't know.

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I think it just highlights some
suffering of Jews and these kind

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of things, you know, but I don't
think it's that bad.

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But maybe it's recent, but I was
told we call it the Western Wall

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because you don't want to offend
someone when you're in Israel or

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something like that and you got
all these, everyone's walking

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around from different, you know,
viewpoints, but.

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Yeah, and you don't want them to
think that.

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You mean like Moby Dick?
Like wailing, like you're taking

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down a huge.
That's the main problem of

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people get very confused.
Yeah, no, that's great.

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But I, I have been there and
Pastor Joel had this great

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picture with people of all
different kind of viewpoints,

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you know, Hasidic Jews, people,
you know, kneeling and you see

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all of that.
People are like yell, yelling

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out because that that's the wall
that's as close as you can get

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to the holy of Holies.
That's where, you know, the

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temple was, that's the side
everything was on.

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So that that's the closest that
people are all writing down

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their prayers, putting it in the
cracks and it there's a lot

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going on.
Now isn't there at there is a

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Muslim temple or whatever.
What do they call those mosque

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on top of?
Yes.

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And so, yeah, so I my
understanding.

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Muslims go in there.
I mean, is it in in use?

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Yeah, so Muslims can go on the
Temple Mount whenever they want.

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Temple Mount's huge.
It's like several acres, like I

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don't 40 acres might be
overstating it, but it's a big

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place in the middle.
They got their their mosque and

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really Muslims dominate that.
Where as a tourist I can go up

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there for like an hour a day.
There's like a very limited time

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slot and they don't make it
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I don't think if you're Jewish,
you can go up there.

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I think they'll like they
restrict that.

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Maybe you can, but they're very
restrictive there where they

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don't let just anyone in.
So a.

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Christian or non believer could
go up there but a Jewish person

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couldn't.
I might be misspeaking, but it's

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hard to get in there.
You're going through a lot of.

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Up on the top on this one.
But Orthodox Jews don't want to

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go up there, right?
Exactly, probably not.

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So I don't know what the the
exact law is, but whether you're

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going tipple mount, a lot more
security going to the Western

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Wall, you're walking through
metal detectors and stuff.

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They've got military everywhere
and on 'cause that's.

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Controlled by Israel, right?
The Western Wall.

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Yeah, yeah.
And then if it's Shabbat,

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Sabbath day, there's a lot of
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People are like dancing, you
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And it's it's very festive, but
you see people kind of all

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different, different types of
everyone is walking around

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there.
So it's pretty, pretty

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interesting, yeah.
So how does this relate to

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having a zeal without knowledge?
Well, Paul being being Jewish,

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we've been talking a lot in this
section 9 through 11 about

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ethnic Israel.
And if we're, I know we'll go

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through the Jensen's graph, but
this might be a good time.

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Big overview.
You know, if you're a Jew,

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you're kind of saying, has God
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Is God's word true?
Because it feels like we've been

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left in the dust.
And Paul's developing his

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argument, talking about God's
sovereignty in Chapter 9.

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And we get to chapter 10 and he
talks about his people.

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They have the zeal for God, but
they're missing the point.

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And they're putting in the work.
They're going to the Western

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Wall.
They're praying they, you know,

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see the Hasidic Jews, you know,
abiding by all these

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restrictions and they're
passionate, but they're missing

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the boat.
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Did you, did you wear a flak
tree or what's the, what's the

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one that's on your head?
Is that also a flak tree?

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And that's not it's frontal or
something.

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Frontlets or some I don't know.
Yeah, something front.

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All of our Jewish listeners
comment what we're missing here

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in the.
I did to go, I think out of

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respect.
I don't know everyone you put on

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a Yamaka if you're going to the
Western Wall.

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Like they, I think they've got,
they've got like a little, the

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rock says where you just take
your Yamaha, you walk up there

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and then you can dispose of it
or put it back to your clean.

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But did not have full actuaries
for this.

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All right, so, yeah, so as Zach
was mentioning, we just kind of

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came out of Chapter 9, some big
sovereignty of God lessons

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there.
Some objections, you know,

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that's not fair for God to mercy
some and not others.

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That's not right that God
decides who he's going to mercy

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like a, you know, a Potter with
clay and you know Paul saying,

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you know, what shall I say then?
You know, the Jews who did not

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pursue righteousness attained
righteousness, even the

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righteousness which is by faith.
But Israel pursuing a law of

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righteousness did not arrive at
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Why?
Because they did not pursue it

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by faith, but as though it were
by works.

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They stumbled over the stumbling
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So Paul kind of connecting the
sovereignty of God and his

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sovereign choice in mercing whom
he wants to, but then also kind

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of saying, but you know what?
The Jews didn't pursue it,

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right?
They're trying to pursue it as

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though they could claim it
through the law, and that's not

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the right way.
Yeah, nailing it.

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And so we get this great analogy
of rhinoceros, and I'm not going

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to do justice.
Darwin Awards happen.

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People that do stupid things
get, you know, put on, put on

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blast.
And I guess this one did not win

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or it was like in the top three
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I.
Think you actually have to die

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for it to be because it's like
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It's like you took yourself out
of the gene pool like natural

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selections.
So I think it's honorary because

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he survives, but he but he's
really dumb in what he did.

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Do I do you do you need me to
carry on?

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Yeah.
So apparently, and I question

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whether this actually happened,
so we'll just say this.

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But it was.
It's a good illustration.

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So a guy trying to demonstrate
the power of super glue super

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glues his hands to the back of a
rhino.

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And I guess it was a tame rhino
and you know, the rhino is in

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distress, moving around, but
also I guess had been

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constipated.
They had given it some laxatives

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and some fiber, and of course, I
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going to go.
Like this.

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The stress, him running around,
all that, this.

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That guy almost gets buried in
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They have to, like, put a
breathing tube in there while

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they're trying to shove it out
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I can't handle it.
Yeah.

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So that he can, so he can stay
alive.

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And I don't think he had a
bidet.

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So to clean the rhino mistake.
So.

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So the point of that was zeal
without.

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Knowledge.
Ready to illustrate how powerful

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this crazy glue was?
But man, there's other ways she

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should have done this.
That was not the That's not the

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right wait.
So I guess that's as good as any

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transition to get into the text
of chapter 10.

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I'll start by just reading verse
one.

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Paul writes, brethren, my hearts
desire and my prayer to God for

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them is for their salvation.
So again, it's kind of echoing

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the beginning of Chapter 9 in a
way where he's got this desire.

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I think the last thing Paul
wants to communicate is God's

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sovereign.
So who cares?

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That's like not his attitude at
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He goes to great lengths over
and over again.

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That's I think that that's
helpful as we think through it,

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that that's his desire.
That's his prayer before he said

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I want to be a curse in Chapter
9, that he wants his brothers

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ethnically to be saved.
Yeah, and Paul, don't forget,

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the Jews are like Pauls in some
sense, worse.

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He's not.
He's not their enemy, but they

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are his enemy.
Like whenever he's coming to the

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most serious trouble, it's been
at the hands of other Jews, and

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yet here he is still loving
them.

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And like you said, he is loving
them and he's laying his life

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down in spite of the fact that
he knows that God's sovereign.

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So it's not like he takes God's
sovereignty as a lessening of

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our responsibility.
They're they're, they go hand in

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hand for Paul.
Yeah.

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And you know, we asked this
question, what do we do with

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God's sovereignty?
What do we do with manned

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responsibility?
How do we understand this

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mystery?
And I think, you know, on one

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level we understand it, but on
another level, we're never going

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to perfectly get every aspect of
it that Warren Worsby, talking

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with Spurgeon says.
Or he says, no one will deny

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that there are many mysteries
connected with divine

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sovereignty and human
responsibility.

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Nowhere does God ask us to
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That's the mistake that
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make, that they just pick one
because, quote continues, they

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both come from God and are part
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They don't compete, they
cooperate the fact that we can't

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fully understand how they work
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that they do.
When a man asked Charles

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Spurgeon how he reconciled
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responsibility, Spurgeon
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I never try to reconcile friends
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you know, even thinking to
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Calvinism, you just want to lean
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But it's OK to say man has a
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it OK but that scriptural and we
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compatibilism and say both these
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scripture teaches this.
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And so continue on verses 10,
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outline what does zeal without
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And so reading those Scriptures
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the Jews, that they have a zeal
for God, but not in accordance

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with knowledge for not knowing
about God's righteousness and

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seeking to establish their own.
They did not subject themselves

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to the righteousness of God.
For Christ is the end of the law

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of righteousness to everyone who
believes.

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For Moses writes that the man
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which is based on the law shall
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So a lot going on here.
But, you know, if you were to

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summarize it, they didn't
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end to the Mosaic Law.
And he's saying if they had

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realized what Moses was saying,
if you're going to live by the

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law, you have to. 1. 100% live
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Yeah, and then they were they
were trying that and they were

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not not succeeding.
They were zealous, but they were

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seeking righteousness through
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faith.
Here is a quote by Barclay.

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We mentioned to him last time
this commentators really good at

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historical things, but really
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side kind of admitted I don't
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else.
This is what he has to say here.

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He's speaking, he's quoting the
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forced, they were ordered to eat
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This was kind of the the
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No, not if you plug out my eyes
and consume my bowels in the

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fire.
We owe Antiochus.

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It's not I don't know the what
the right pronunciation.

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There's multiple pronunciations,
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Think Antiochus is?
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that's Antiochus.
That's what I've always heard

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Antiochus Epiphanes who have who
have been persuaded to govern

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our lives by the divine law,
think that there is no

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compulsion more powerful than
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So rather than than he's not
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die, he's going to stick to the
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He is going to do what it takes
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We see this very you know, any
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this.
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And I think they even tried to
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And he's like, OK, just eat this
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He's like, Nope.
And then they like turn them

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over.
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Beat them and he in his dying
words, he says, I'm dying and

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burning torments for the sake of
the law, for the sake of the

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law.
And so you, you see how high

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their zeal was.
But Paul's going to say in 10

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four for Christ is the end of
the law for righteousness to

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everyone who believes.
So the US trying to keep the

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law.
Christ ends that, you know,

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trying to keep the law for our
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Yeah, that's that's a good
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I think some people look at
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What's that mean?
It means the law is not

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important.
It's like, no, no, Christ will

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fill the law.
I mean, it's important, but like

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you're saying, it's not going to
justify you because we do read

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Paul also writing this in
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But before faith came, we were
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being shut up to the faith,
which was later to be revealed.

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Therefore the law has become our
tutor to lead us to Christ so

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that we may be justified by
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Law is important in as much as
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So we, we have faith.
If you have learned by the law,

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you should have learned that you
are a Sinner and you can't keep

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it.
That's what the law's goal is.

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And then to drive you to your
knees to Christ, to say I can't

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do this.
I need a savior.

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I need a rescue.
Isn't that something if your

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take away from the law is I
think I got this.

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I think I'm pretty good.
But it's, it is amazing, isn't

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it, You know?
And then it goes on for Moses

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Rice that the man who practices
the righteousness, which is

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based on the law shall live by
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That's Romans 10/5.
And so hypothetically, it's

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possible that you could be self
justified like you live the life

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that but we know that to go that
route, it's perfect obedience in

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everything and that's to love
God with all your heart, soul,

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strength, mind and and
everything all the.

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Time, man.
And love your neighbor as

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yourself all the time.
Yeah, that's that's hard to do,

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I think the Catechism.
I don't know if we've ever done

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that once, much less all the
time.

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Yeah, it's that's a tall, tall
task to be perfect, perpetual,

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personal, all of these things
you can't, you can't do.

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And so the rest of the text,
chapter 10 verses 6 through 13,

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I'll go ahead and read this kind
of continues or transition to

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this side is deal with knowledge
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Paul writes, but the
righteousness based on faith

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speaks as follows.
Don't say in your heart who will

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ascend into heaven, that is to
bring Christ down, or who will

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descend into the abyss, that is
to bring Christ up from the

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dead.
But what does it say?

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The word is near you in your
mouth and in your heart.

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That is the Word of Faith which
we are preaching, that if you

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confess with your mouth Jesus as
Lord, and believe in your heart

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that God raised him from the
dead, you will be saved.

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For what the hearts a person
believes resulting in

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righteousness, with the mouth he
confesses resulting in

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salvation.
For the scripture says whoever

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believes in him will not be
disappointed.

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For there's no distinction
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For the same Lord as Lord of all
abounding and riches for all who

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call on him.
For whoever will call on the

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name of the Lord will be saved.
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That's a lot there, but it's
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And a lot of quotes from the Old
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Deuteronomy.
So when he's talking about it,

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you know, you, it's not too far.
It's not too high for you.

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Yeah.
So breaking it down, that comes

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from Deuteronomy 3011 to 14.
So let's read that for this

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commandment, which I command you
today is not too difficult for

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you.
NAR, is it out of your reach?

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If I were to pronounce nor like
Joel does, NAR is not in heaven

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that you should say will who
will go up to heaven for us to

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get it for us and make us hear
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Nor is it beyond the sea that
you should say, who will cross

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the sea for us to get it for us
and make us hear it, that we may

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observe it.
But the word is very near you in

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your mouth and in your heart
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So you know, go back and read 6
through 13 from Romans chapter

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10.
Even pause it now and look at

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it.
But it's good because it really

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simplifies what Paul is saying
is required of someone to be of

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faith.
Yeah, essentially, like Moses is

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saying, you just need to obey.
Like, don't overcomplicate it.

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It's staring you in the face of
the quote.

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Pastor Jill used that we can
make it more complicated and

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we're like talking all these
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It's like, no, no, it's right
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And you know, these stats back
it up that most people come to

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faith are children, you know,
younger than than 1485 to 90%

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come to faith because you know,
what it takes is not, you know,

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a dissertation on these
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But as Paul writes here that
believe in your heart, confess

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with your mouth.
And maybe we can develop that

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more because I think some people
take this and are like, if you

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say these words, you're
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Of this verse.
It's not a Harry Potter spell.

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It's not.
That's.

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Good.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So yeah, it actually does
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You know, the word heart in the
New Testament is kind of

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synonymous with mind.
So it requires a a true heart

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belief.
And I think there's some folks

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who make the distinction between
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So it's one thing to believe
that Christ did all these

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things.
It's another thing to believe in

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or produce active trust in
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Difference between believing
that a plane can get you from

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point A to B to believing in a
plane because you step on it and

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you're like, OK, my lot's with
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If you go down, I'm going down
that.

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That's so.
Good and the you're believing

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that Jesus is Lord and I like
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this Greek word.
Curious.

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That's when you look at the
Septuagints, you know, we see

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this connection with Yahweh and
Lord Jesus is Lord.

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That's what you read in the New
Testament over and over and over

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and over and over again.
And that's on purpose to connect

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him as Yahweh.
That's a big, big statement.

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If you're believing that Jesus
is God in, in that sense that

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that's that's pretty amazing.
That's a that's a big belief.

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But that's, you know what it
takes.

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Yeah, I remember.
When that finally kind of sunk

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in, like there was a man who
walked on this earth who was the

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God man, who is the God man?
That's a huge thing.

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Like, you know, when you think
about that, but you believe in

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that, you trust in that.
And two, that God raised him

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from the dead.
So that's good.

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He died on a cross and God
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dead.
And there's scripture that

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talked about him raising
himself.

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There's scripture that talked
about the Father raising him.

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There's scripture that talked
about the spirit raising him.

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So God, we can just say God
raised Jesus, the person from

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from the dead.
I like that.

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And then mentioned confess with
your mouth this confession

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that's important, but it's not
like a spell where it is

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evangelist by me.
Just say these words, you get to

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heaven.
You know that the belief

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component, repentance and faith,
so so important, thankfully.

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It's just for the Gentiles.
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What I love is you can't.
When you read Romans, it's like

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Paul, the beginning, middle and
the end it it's for all Jew and

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Gentile.
This is just a refrain you hear

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over and over again for the
scripture says who whoever

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believes in him will not be
disappointed.

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Whoever, for there is no
distinction between Jew and

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Gentile.
The same Lord is Lord of all.

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He says whoever will call on him
will be saved.

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All who call on him.
It's like you can't be like,

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well, he said it once It's like,
no, he said it a million times

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here and he talked about
everyone's in sin earlier.

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He's always kind of grouping
people in the same boat.

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Yep, that's.
That's true.

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So how many ways can Paul say
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And so I have a take two
question.

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How do we square this with God's
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How do we square this?
This idea of whoever will call

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in the name of the Lord will be
saved.

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Yeah, I, I think on its surface,
that's a, that's a tough

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question.
I think the easy answer is, you

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know, we just keep reading,
reading in Scripture, and I

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don't think we're ever going to
understand the whole mystery.

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But to me it is, we talked about
earlier concurrence,

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compatibilism, what word you,
whatever words you want to use.

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But we see it just like that web
throughout all of scripture

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where I don't get how all this
works.

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And maybe it seems not always
perfect to me, but it's like

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everything's happening on in
kind of different levels because

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I have agency.
But I look back in my life and

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I'm like, man, yeah.
I was listening to our previous

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podcast and I remember I said
something like the people would

456
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like it to be either God saves
everybody or not, not they won't

457
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really like this, but God sends
everyone to hell or that God

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allows us to choose.
And, and I think in the one

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sense, God has allowed us to
choose and out of our

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sinfulness, we've all chosen.
That's a good point, yeah.

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You've made your choice.
We've all chosen rebellion, and

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so God chooses to override that
choice in some people in which

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he mercies.
And then those people are the

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ones who call out, you know, so
it's open to everyone, but we

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all choose in our sinfulness not
to take part.

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And so then God sovereignly
chooses like, no, you're mine.

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I'm going to work in your life
through your circumstances and

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through your spirit and through
all this other stuff to bring

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you to a knowledge of me, and
then you'll come to faith.

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And then he does it sovereignly
across, you know, those of us

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who choose choose him.
I think that's so.

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Good we we are choosing
according to our nature and that

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we don't have a lot of you know,
I like we all kind of chose sin.

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You look back everyone chooses
sin no matter who you are.

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So that that's a really good way
to look at it on the key take

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away here, it's what Paul says.
Whoever believes in him will not

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be disappointed.
That's a pretty bold declaration

478
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that you're not going to be
disappointed, and I think I know

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that that holds up.
If you can hang on to that, you

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won't be disappointed that
that's a big, big promise to

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hold on to last.
Illustration Joel was talking

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about Charles Lindbergh's
playing the Spirit of Saint

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Louis in the Smithsonian.
And after, like 50 years or

484
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there's some anniversary, the
Charles Lindbergh's daughter and

485
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her son get to kind of go up and
see the Smithsonian 'cause if

486
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you've ever been there, it's
like hanging from the ceiling.

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So they have them in, like, in
this cherry picker and they're

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like, and they put them over
there and, like, the daughter is

489
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like tears 'cause this is like
all she's heard about, like, you

490
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know, looking at this plane and
just marveling at it and turns

491
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to her son, which would be
Charles Lindbergh's grandson,

492
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and was like, isn't this
amazing?

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He's like, yeah, I've never been
in a cherry picker before.

494
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So great.
Just missing the whole point.

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But that's very relatable as a
kid.

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And man, let's not do that.
It's like, man, just look at the

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entirety of scripture.
I think these themes become

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abundantly clear when you like
get the big picture.

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All right, application #1 Paul,
this is Joel saying I would want

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us to appreciate Paul's teaching
on both the sovereignty of

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sovereign election and human
responsibility.

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I think we've tried to bring
that home in in this podcast,

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but you know, think about that
we that.

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That's a really good point,
application to be challenged by

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Paul.
What's your passion for the

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loss?
Do you have, you know, this

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desire?
Are we in tune to be used by

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God?
Paul is so desiring for his

509
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brothers to be saved.
And he's he's laboring over it,

510
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you know?
Yeah.

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And as we are recording this
podcast, we have team members in

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Cuba following to hurricane,
hurricanes, power outages, and

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an earthquake.
So we're praying for them.

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If you hear this, you can pray
for them as well and pray for

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all missionaries around the
world as they try to fulfill

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this.
They're trying to work in the

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bounds of God's sovereignty and
bring the good news to people so

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that they can confess with their
mouth.

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That's good.
Also, check your zeal, check

520
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your knowledge.
Both of these are good.

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We want to be passionate, but we
want to be passionate about

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00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,160
truth.
These are both important.

523
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,040
Evaluate that where Where's your
passion level?

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Where's your knowledge level?
Yep.

525
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And then last, don't
overcomplicate the gospel.

526
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I'm talking to my kids.
I'll tell them.

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You know, if I could, I would,
but I can't.

528
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It is a conversation between you
and Christ.

529
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You need to call out to Him.
You need to beg Him for

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forgiveness.
You need to trust in what He did

531
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on the cross.
It's really that simple to some

532
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:09,520
level.
Chris Hawk What?

533
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Age were you saved That's the
that's the GOAT.

534
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:12,760
Yeah that's the GOAT.
If there's anything about it's

535
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like Chris you were three or
four.

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What you know what that's great.
I love it that it's the go to

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illustration as a young child
him coming to present night.

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00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:23,440
I would be remiss.
I know we're maybe not short on

539
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,000
time, but trying to trying to
wrap this up, but Pastor Joel

540
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:29,400
didn't make a comment in there
that when you celebrate

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Thanksgiving that all these all
these people are, and I quote,

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00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,640
materialistic because they're
moving on to Christmas and I

543
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:37,840
couldn't agree more.
Let's celebrate Thanksgiving.

544
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:43,280
Yes, and I would celebrate the
true meaning of Christmas by

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giving thanks for the
incarnation.

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But yes, absolutely nice.
Well, that is our 29th sermon

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through Romans.
We're we're gonna get some a lot

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00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:54,480
more coming our way.
It's good.

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Yeah, it's good.
Anything else?

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All right, that is our take.
Thanks for listening to Take

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Two.
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