Exclusive Psalmody 101: Should Christians Sing Only Psalms?

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Well, hey, Zach.
Hey, Michael.

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We have been posting a lot of
shorts lately.

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Man, cranking it up.
Yeah, yeah.

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And we have noticed that we've
gotten some new subscribers.

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So new subscribers welcome to
our channel.

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And looking at some of the the
analytics that we see may be the

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fact that, you know, new people
kind of like what we're talking

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about, the shorts, but they
don't really know us.

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They may not care about 20
minutes of elementary school

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soccer.
Kindergarteners playing soccer

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and our tactics.
Yeah, yeah, cut out.

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But we're not going to totally
cut out the funny business.

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No, yeah, we we need the funny
business, but we thought maybe

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we'll just put that at the end.
I.

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Think you still take it or leave
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You don't have to suffer what

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somebody might say through 10
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Probably a Patriots talk,
unfortunately, in the near

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future.
I like it.

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So just short and sweet.
We're going to get into it.

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Yeah.
What are we talking about today?

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So we just came off of an
interview that we did actually a

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little bit of a while ago, but
it just aired last last week

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with Tim, you know, listen back
to it.

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You know, sometimes you listen
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I was like, oh, that's a that's
a pretty good show, Tim.

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Yeah, that's great.
Tim had a lot of wise things to

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say.
It's like when you're in the

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middle of an interview,
sometimes you're thinking about

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your next question more than
what the answer is.

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But you know, when you're just a
listener, you can kind of sit

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back.
I thought, OK, there's some good

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stuff there.
A lot of wisdom was used a lot

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out there.
Totally.

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And a big and a big part of that
was like music.

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Bethel Hillsong, like that was
like something we talked about a

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decent amount.
Right.

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Yeah.
And so out of this, we're going

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to talk about hymnity.
And not just hymnity, not just

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the H.
No.

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But the EH, exclusive enmity.
Yeah, even even exclusive

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psalmity.
Psalmity.

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That's that's what it's great.
Because that would be the, the

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maybe overcorrection, maybe not,
but that that would be like,

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hey, we're getting a we're not
going to leave what we talked

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about last episode even to
chance.

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We don't have to have
discernment.

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Right, you don't.
No wisdom if we just stay with

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maybe.
Yeah, we can.

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We can.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.
But but but that's what we're

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talking about exclusive psalmody
one O 1 kind of the basics and

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overview.
Let's go ahead.

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Let's exit in the next level.
Let's fire up that twanga music.

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From the hearts of the Low
Country in South Carolina.

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It's the Take Two podcast where
we take theology to the next

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level.
I don't know how you could go

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wrong.
Actually, I didn't even even

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saying that.
I think I do know how you could

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go wrong, but let me just straw
man.

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I don't know how you could go
wrong just singing psalms.

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Right on.
On its surface actually seems

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like really solid.
There's 150 to choose from.

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There you go.
Got some variety, a lot of

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different spectrums you could
hit, you know?

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Most of them are probably fine.
Most.

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Yeah, most.
Most are probably really good.

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And we know we talked about
Bethel Hillsong.

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What an elevation.
Just name a few.

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But to to be to be fair, there's
some hymns that have some

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authors that also went off the
rails later in life as well with

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their theology or with their
walk with Christ altogether.

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Just that's just the.
Character outside of the song

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and we talked about this a
little bit, we did bring up

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reckless love.
That's like one of the ones

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where people really some people
like not even on their mind.

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Some people are like, oh,
reckless is that's right.

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Some people are like, you know,
put yourself in this

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perspective.
Some people like we should never

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stay reckless.
And it is, you know.

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It, it was it.
I don't think it was a divisive

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song, but it divided the church
because there were some strong

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and seemed to kind of polarize
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Like either people were like, Oh
yeah, it's great.

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Yeah, this is horrible.
Yeah, a song that came to my

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mind.
It was popular when I was

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younger.
I think it was popularized,

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maybe, but I don't think you
wrote it.

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But Michael W.
Smith, do you know the song

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above all?
I do.

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I saw it in the notes and I was
like what's wrong with that

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'cause I was just thinking about
the verses the.

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Verses are awesome and then the
ends like like a rose.

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Trampled.
On the ground.

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On the ground.
He took the fall.

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He took the fall and thought of
me above.

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All and and and so that came
like when I was putting together

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some of these notes, I was like,
that's the one that comes to my

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mind.
Like we saying, but I can see

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people and I've heard people say
they have problems with it

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really focusing on it's not
about you, it's the glory of

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God.
And that was #1 I, I think if

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you're.
I think you could think thoughts

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of the people.
I'm sure that he thought of the

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people he was dying for.
Totally.

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But I'd be hard pressed to say
above all.

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And, and I, and I think that's
where it gets tricky, 'cause I

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on one hand I am very analytical
and to me my mind's like, I

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don't even want to sing that
because I don't want to even

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think that.
I think with songs, poetry, you

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do need to be charitable to like
and the like some of this word

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play and stuff and and if you're
looking.

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Just tweaked the words and
thought of me amongst all or

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something like that.
See, that would be good because

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I think, like you said, if you
read the entirety of that song,

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it's like awesome.
And it's probably like maybe

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thought of you above.
Like the rest of the creation

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keys above all majesty and you
know it, like it.

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It really puts up Christ at a
very pentacle, and then it just

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puts you just slightly higher,
just.

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Yeah, yeah.
And and so I'm sure Michael W

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but whoever actually wrote it, I
don't think it was him like I

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don't I think their goal was to
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like they weren't That's not
what they were thinking.

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I'd guarantee it almost.
But you do exclusive somity you

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you you know, you get away from
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You don't have to worry about
human error drifting and similar

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to it's a little different
because of this is not

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scripture, but you know,
Presbyterians that are like hey

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or Baptist that are like 1689.
We got the Westminster

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Confession of Faith.
Like, read that.

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Don't read what me and five guys
sat around a table and said

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about the Trinity because it
could be wrong.

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I mean, you know what I mean?
Like and you'll get some of

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these, you know?
Westminster confession could not

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be wrong.
Right.

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I, I, I, I think I as as long as
faithful description writes the

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caveat.
But it's like, yeah, it's like

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these kind of things you kind of
get these guardrail.

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So let's talk about it.
Let's define it.

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What is exclusive psalmody?
So exclusive psalmody, if it

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kind of is self-explanatory, but
it's where that you would only,

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you know, use the Psalms of
Scripture if you're going to

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sing corporately in a worship
setting and then it's grounded

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in the strict application of
this regulative principle of

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worship.
That's good because I think most

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conservative Bible and
Christians would be like, I

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believe the regular principle,
like everyone wants to claim

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that.
From themselves regulative

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principle of worship.
God has prescribed how he would

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like to be worshipped and don't
deviate from that versus the

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normative principle.
It was like if you didn't say

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don't do it, have at it.
And and most people, I think,

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and then there's like, is this
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Like is it a Pew or chair?
They would say that's accident.

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That doesn't really matter.
That's not like really at the

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essence of it, you know, but all
that to say that that's what

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they're appealing to man.
We're God wants to be worshipped

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a certain way.
We have his words like let's not

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get crazy with things.
Yeah, so I, I, I hear all that

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and I wanted, I'd want to, I
guess I'm, I'm somewhere in the

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middle because I wouldn't say
whatever goes is fine.

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But I would say that what
people, I would probably think

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that his, his defining of what
we should be doing is probably

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less restrictive than what most
people would would say.

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You know, I would want to look
at the passages that they say

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this applies totally.
Are are you for real?

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Are you sure that that's for for
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I and I feel like when you get
into the weeds, it's like, what

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are you talking about?
And at some point you do pick

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and choose like can you use a
microphone?

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Can you not cause a lot of
people would be like, that's

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fine, but you know what I mean
when it gets down to some of it.

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And so because of that, a lot of
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continue to do this, they're,
they're also going to be like,

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Hey, we're good with iambic
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We're not, we don't need any,
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It's acapella, acapella
essentially in I think it's

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founded in goodwill.
You know, we just want to be

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faithful to scripture and but
they'll stand behind that, which

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I think, you know, most of us
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We're like, we're, we're being
faithful to scripture too,

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right?
We're, we're still claiming that

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it's kind of like the moral high
ground that we'd be OK.

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We're we're kind of on your side
in the way we're not trying to

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circumvent anything that
Scripture is forbidding or

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anything like that.
All right, so how long is this

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exclusive psalmody been around?
What's it's it's been around for

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at least a minute.
I know the high point when it

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was in its heyday.
It's going back to the

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Reformation.
If you look at the the

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denominations that practice
today, most of them are of the

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reformed persuasion.
I, I, I, it is still a minority

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position in the Reformed
community, but that's kind of

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they're saying, man, John Calvin
knew what was going on.

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Let's that Geneva Salter.
Let's sing from that.

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Was it some of the pushback
against?

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The.
I think Catholic Church of the

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you know, the different songs
that they wrote then I.

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I think, I think a lot, I think
you look at a lot of these

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things like no images of like
all you almost go down and it's

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some of it's good, some of it's
like indifferent.

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But I think it, I think you're
right that it's like, oh,

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Catholicism is doing this.
We're doing the opposite.

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You know, it's like we're all
going to grow up this.

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Facial hair.
It's the opposite of what the

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Catholic Roman Catholic Church.
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They're all clean shaven.
We're going to get all these

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beards.
It's just like you try to.

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They're not.
It's like all these things.

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And I think this is one of those
things.

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So we can, we can kind of go
through, I mentioned John Calvin

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15 hundreds, 1551, the Genevan
Psalter came out and really this

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became kind of the model across
Europe for a reformed worship

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that we're, you know, looking to
Calvin as one of these leaders

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that is standing in the face of.
And we're using Scripture cause

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Scripture's at the center.
We don't, you know, focus

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totally on the mass or these
kind of things.

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And are they putting the I got?
Obviously, they're probably not

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singing Greek.
Yeah, I think you're probably

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right.
Yeah, probably right.

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So this time are they sing in
Latin you think still, or they

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singing in their own tongue,
German?

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I mean, Martin Luther writes a
mighty fortress.

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That's true.
That's a little division from

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Calvin, where he is, you know,
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pushing the boundary.
He's really going crazy.

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be in their own tongue, because
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the Catholic Church.
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the common tongue.
I'm assuming they're not singing

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like word for word what's in the
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Someone's having to meter that.
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metered in Hebrew, but typically
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it.
How are you going to make it all

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like fit?
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the actual Psalters and that
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Got John Calvin.
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Scotland that they actually
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solemnity.
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that still practice that kind of
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background.
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we do, it's the only thing we do
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Was that referenced in
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I missed that scene.
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Psalter.
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All right.
And then Next up we have the

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Scottish, Scottish metrical
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I love it.
That's very good. 1650, so about

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100 years later, a high
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psalmody in the English speaking
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So I'm assuming these these
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or you know, something that's
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Puritans, the Presbyterians, you
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of these churches and people at
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Maybe it wasn't exclusive, but
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their worship.
It wasn't like this outlier like

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today.
It's kind of French.

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I don't know if you've met
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exclusive.
I know knew one person who

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advocated for it, but yeah,
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I don't know of anyone who
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like, you know?
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around 1600.
There's like this massive

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migration from the European
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That's right.
And so these Puritans are going

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to take that over there with
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right?
Day that that could be, that

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could be a big, big, big thing.
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mid 1700s we do see a little bit
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this is one of the if you're
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with exclusive psalmody, I think
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This is a really good argument
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The church really wanted more
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Christ, that mentioned the
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Seems like you'd want a song
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person, especially the Messiah.
Coming out of all this, it's

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like systematics institutes,
like like you're starting to

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develop doc, like really strong
resurgence of doctrine and, you

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know, opposition of Catholicism.
You want to sing about the

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Trinity, you want to sing about
the resurrection and you

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implicitly you, you can, but
it's not like that bold new

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covenant or like just really,
really seeing it.

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And you could see like, that's
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Yeah, you couldn't say 1 little
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And yes, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, and so we have the rebel

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of all rebels.
Oh man, I just watch.

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Sticking it.
Speaking truth to power.

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Dude, I love this and really
what prompted this?

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One of the things that prompted
this episode was our joy to the

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world episode, Isaac Watts, Cuz
if you talk to anyone today,

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what a great hymn writer like,
and this day people are like,

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don't listen to Isaac Watts.
You know, he's, he's kind of out

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there rebelling and pushing
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And it's like so funny the
different context where it's

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like he just wrote hymns, man.
And not when I survey the

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wondrous cross toward the world,
alas, in my savior bleeder.

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Oh wow.
But it's like these things that

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no one would have a problem.
With, you know, just have an

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Isaac Watts, you know, that's
Sunday that we only sing Isaac

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Watts songs.
That'd be good.

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And he was prolific, so we could
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So he it was kind of the the
turning point, the guy who held

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up his hand and said, Hey, I'm
going to do something about it.

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And as hymns were initially
controversial, banned, Can you

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imagine like hymns getting like,
hey, we don't sing that.

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Are you listening to that Isaac
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You know, that's anachronistic.
But it's like hilarious that he

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would be banned today.
That is crazy.

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All right, Yeah.
And Speaking of that Joy of the

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World episode, it it, it's
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You can go back and listen to
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It it has performed, you know,
it's gotten a lot of attention,

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so.
What a great, what a great hymn,

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you know?
And, and so as this started

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happening, exclusive psalmody
kind of got replaced by psalms

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plus hymns in many congregations
where, you know, him became more

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and more commonplace.
And and yeah, go ahead.

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Yeah, I was just going to say
one of the things we did talk

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about in the Joy of the World
episode was that he was looking

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at a particular passage.
That's right.

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And he was riding his hymn out
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problem is that when you start

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doing that, that's great.
And some people might be more

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faithful to what's in the Bible
than others.

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And so now we do we have to
bring back that wisdom

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discernment issue.
So many songs, a lot good, not

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good.
I will say this, I feel like so

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many of the songs that I enjoy
today, man, they're still

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pulling from Psalms.
Like it's modernized, but it's

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like you, you recognize these
refrains and you're like, oh,

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that's from one, that's from a
Psalm or you know what I mean?

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It's like they're kind of
expounding on that I think when

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it's done.
It's all really well, and the

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Lord knew what our human frame
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I see, yeah, yeah, though though
absolutely true.

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So I can totally wrap my head
around 15 hundreds, 6000 people

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embracing exclusive psalmody who
practices this today?

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Like who's doing this hardcore?
Because there are there are

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people all.
Right, So who's doing it?

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Today?
We have the Reformed

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Presbyterian Church of North
America.

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The RPC and a.
The Reformed Presbyterian Church

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of Ireland.
Oh yeah, nice, you like that.

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The Reformed Church of Scotland
and I even tried to do a

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Scottish Open for it, continuing
in some congregations.

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Select congregations within the
Associated Reformed,

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Presbyterian, and Old School
Presbyterian traditions.

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So probably it's not probably
domination to most people are

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not like, Oh yeah, I know that
one.

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You know, it's it's it's a
little bit more fringe today

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where it was the majority
definitely a confessional

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minority position, not
mainstream by by any measure.

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Many churches still it how
culture changes.

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Most of these Presbyterian
churches would say, hey, we

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subscribe to the regular
principle, but the goal posts

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has have changed, you know what
I mean?

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And I think that that's that's
reasonable.

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We're like, hey, we're still,
you know, trying to abide what

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guide commands and worship
'cause really at its essence,

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it's hard to define, you know,
every little, little thing and

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you get into these, you know,
debates on can you do

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announcements during church or
not or you know what these kind

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of things, you know, and you're
like, and some, some

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confessional churches say we do
announcements after the service

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or before the service.
It's not like it's intentionally

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not part of the service, which
you can say that about Archers,

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but it's like, it's not like one
thing that flows together.

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It's like separate because we
want to stay subscribing to this

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principle, you know what I mean?
Yeah, yeah.

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And I can see, there's like, I
can see the concern if you crack

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the door open for something,
then what else can you fit in

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there?
And eventually, you know,

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there's a continuum where one
would say an announcement about

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a church service later on the
week.

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How could that be disrupted to
what God wants to do?

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Maybe pledge allegiance to the
American flag.

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And then you probably lost half
the people there and then half

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people are like, why wouldn't
you say the pledge allegiance to

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the American flag?
You know what I'm saying?

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And so that would be divisive.
But but then as you go over in

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that, you know, perspective, you
know, continuum, you're gonna

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get to things that everyone will
be like, yes, that has no place

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in Yeah, that's a good point.
And so, but again, it's The Who

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are we as a local body?
What are we gonna allow in our,

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you know, services and what do
we find that's good and and not

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good?
'Cause I was reading in one

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forum one time where, you know,
people were talking about when

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they did announcements, it was
like almost, I love some of

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these like forms where it's like
a gotcha.

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Someone's like, hey, when do you
guys do announcements?

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And someone was like, well,
after we're done, like with

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singing give offering, then
we'll do some announcements,

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then we'll have the message.
And he was like breaking the

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regular principle worship.
Like it's almost like, you know,

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it's like you can't do it in the
middle.

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It has to be beginning or the
end.

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So you know, it's great.
So I love it when like a

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original poster, just like.
It's just like a setup laying a.

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Trap and then like comes like,
how could you think that?

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Like everyone's guard is down?
But anyway, the I I think when

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you think of exclusive psalmody,
there is some good watching and

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I respect it.
Like, I don't think that's what

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everyone needs to do, but Psalms
are divinely inspired.

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They are the word of God.
Yeah, hymns.

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How could you ever argue with
singing the word of God right?

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I know.
And when you look at Scripture,

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singing is commanded.
Psalms are given as something to

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be sung, you know, I think
there's more to the verse too.

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So it's like, you know.
It's like songs, yeah.

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Spiritual songs, yeah.
Spiritual songs, yeah.

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And and and Revelation
specifically says sing a new

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song.
Sing a new song.

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There you go man, and.
And when you do look at this,

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Psalter, what it does well, and
they'll appeal to this.

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It covers all these different
emotions.

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There's doctrine, there's
lament, there's praise, there's

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repentance, there's hope.
Is there wrath?

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Do they get the pregatory?
That's that's exactly right.

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And I think Psalter's great for
for it does cover the emotions

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that that's good.
I think that's a pro of their

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argument that it in that way,
but they would say, hey, it's

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sufficient.
We don't need to add of it.

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So so let's talk about we
mentioned some what what are the

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pros of exclusive psalmody?
Yeah, well, you, you don't have

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to worry about someone getting
doctrine wrong.

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They may misunderstand the words
there, but at least the words,

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since they're inspired, they're
going to get doctrine right.

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They should get some saturation
in Scripture.

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So like this Sunday we saying
that Psalm 90 and I tried to

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like read from Psalm 90 and I
felt like even help me because

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you know, if I'm dwelling on the
Psalm that this is written from

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and then I go sing it.
Oh, I can feel it.

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So I think there is a goodness
there, but I don't I don't think

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a very pure EP person.
I don't know how they would feel

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about chain in chains Psalm 90
because they are adding some

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stuff that's New Testament
based.

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And when you write, you're
singing the Psalms, it's

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definitely going to be God
centered rather than performer

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centric, which I think that can
be like a more global problem in

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worship.
I think you can still be, you

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know, singing something that can
be performer centered.

450
00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:50,760
You got this historical
background.

451
00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:53,040
You know, some people really,
especially in the Reformed

452
00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:55,200
tradition, it's like you really
do want to trace those roots.

453
00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:59,080
You know what I mean?
Like back to the Reformation and

454
00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:02,440
you do have lament, not just
triumph, which I think is good.

455
00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:05,680
That's a critique I think
sometimes of modern worship.

456
00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:07,320
You don't you everything's
great.

457
00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:08,920
Pray to God you'll be a
millionaire.

458
00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:11,920
Maybe not that explicit, but
there's sometimes you struggle

459
00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:15,800
more to find songs that really
have that lament aspects maybe.

460
00:22:16,120 --> 00:22:18,280
Yeah, I was just thinking
through what we typically do.

461
00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:21,560
We we there are some songs we
sing that are big on the

462
00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:23,400
sovereignty of God.
OK, Yeah.

463
00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:27,600
And there's some songs that are
big on God being president,

464
00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:29,280
trials, not necessarily rescuing
from trials.

465
00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:32,120
Like never once did you leave
it, leave us alone.

466
00:22:32,120 --> 00:22:34,200
That's great.
I remember Leanne saying that

467
00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:36,880
was very totally impactful to
her at the time.

468
00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:39,840
And we sang some songs just as
last Sunday.

469
00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:42,360
I'm not trying to make this all
night of last night, but this

470
00:22:42,360 --> 00:22:43,120
was on my mind.
No.

471
00:22:43,120 --> 00:22:45,040
And I think you're hitting a big
point.

472
00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:48,760
It's probably, you know, who's
leading the worship.

473
00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:52,680
Hopefully they're thinking
through, I think, and I think

474
00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:54,600
most people in this position
probably are.

475
00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:56,840
I can see some people like I got
to get some songs up here.

476
00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:58,280
Let's just pick like the big
ones.

477
00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:04,040
Probably most people that go to
Bible like word of God and

478
00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:05,640
they're, they're really
thoughtful about it.

479
00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:09,240
But I can see someone, you know,
I, I can see it happening more

480
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:11,400
like, oh, I lead a Bible study
on a Wednesday night.

481
00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:14,440
I work a 80 hour a week job.
I'm just trying to like throw a

482
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:16,520
song.
I can play Here's as the deer as

483
00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:18,200
there's a great song, but it's
like you're not thinking about

484
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:20,480
it, which I can tell our worship
everyone is.

485
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:21,800
There's a lot of thought behind
it.

486
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:25,720
Yeah, I yeah, I do appreciate
that amongst our worship.

487
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:28,240
But I was going to say, you
know, like this, this song we

488
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,360
sing, sovereign, sovereign in
the Mountaineer, sovereign on

489
00:23:30,360 --> 00:23:33,440
the ocean floor with me in the
calm, with me in the storm.

490
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,800
Yeah, there is not.
Necessarily, but you get some of

491
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:40,720
that, the pattern that, hey,
life isn't just a walk of roses.

492
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:42,200
That's right.
And I think a lot of the a lot

493
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:45,040
of the songs do a good job of
maybe there's like an arc to the

494
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:48,760
song, like it starts out tension
and maybe you know, and the

495
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:52,120
chorus is more hopeful or
something where it's not totally

496
00:23:52,120 --> 00:23:55,800
like that.
So anyway, those are some pros.

497
00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:58,520
Let's get into some cons.
What What's the problem or what

498
00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:01,000
potential pitfalls may there be
with this approach?

499
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:06,240
Well, we don't live underneath
the Mosaic Law anymore because,

500
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:08,160
one, we're Gentiles, you and I
are.

501
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:12,440
But even for Messianic Jews,
they're not living underneath

502
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:15,560
that.
And we have more revelation that

503
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:20,760
has hit us, you know, so.
It's weird not to sing the name

504
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:22,960
of Christ in a worship.
Service.

505
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:25,280
Yeah, it's weird.
And you're not going to see

506
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:28,880
Jesus in the Psalms written out.
That's right.

507
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:32,640
It's implicit, not explicit.
You mentioned that new covenant

508
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,600
question, you know, and you and
you kind of alluded this to does

509
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:37,720
post resurrection worship
require a new song?

510
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:41,040
Like I kind of think it does.
Like, I think it's great to sing

511
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:44,160
Psalm, but I think I think it's
like, man, there's so much more

512
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:48,000
we can sing about and praise God
about, or at least in a more

513
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:52,080
full way.
We kind of already mentioned

514
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,520
this, but there is some
difficulty if you do want to

515
00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:58,800
sing me in preparatory psalms.
And the historical distance

516
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:02,040
requires careful teaching
because you know, there there's

517
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:05,400
some harsh things that are said
there and you got to think

518
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,200
through that.
And different people probably

519
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,880
have different, you know, ways
of thinking through that, but

520
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:12,560
that's probably something you
got to do.

521
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:16,080
This is not on our list.
What I've heard or read people

522
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:20,200
say as a pro con is you're an
exclusive somity song.

523
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,360
It's no iambic pentameter.
You can sing all the song you

524
00:25:22,360 --> 00:25:23,400
don't like.
Learn these songs.

525
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,160
You know, it's like
congregational worship, never

526
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,040
singing like super high or you
know what I mean?

527
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:30,320
Like, oh it's out of range.
It's like only the main person

528
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,320
on stage can sing it 'cause
they're so gifted, but the

529
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:35,720
congregation can't.
I think most congregational

530
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:39,840
songs can be adapted or are sung
where maybe everyone's not

531
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,960
nailing everything, but it's
like they're meant to sing as a

532
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:44,360
congregation a lot of.
Times, right?

533
00:25:44,360 --> 00:25:47,200
There are songs that that I've
heard be sung and I'm like,

534
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:49,000
probably not for the
congregation.

535
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,640
Should've just been a special,
what we call a special.

536
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:54,680
I think Tim kept calling it a
song of admonishment.

537
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:55,800
Oh, that's right.
Yeah, that's.

538
00:25:55,960 --> 00:26:00,480
Funny in our in our last one,
but yeah, that that is a concern

539
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:06,320
for some of the the new stuff.
All right, Isaac Watts, the man

540
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,680
who asked where is Christ?
That's a great question.

541
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,120
Like we're he he well, a little
background on him.

542
00:26:11,120 --> 00:26:13,920
He is like smack dab in well,
maybe not.

543
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:18,160
He's from 1674 to 1748.
So he's kind of coming 102

544
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:21,480
hundred years into this, you
know, real strong reformation

545
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:22,960
push.
He's someone who would he he

546
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,760
would, you know, be categorized
as an English non conformist,

547
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:29,400
someone who loved the Psalms but
really did believe like, man,

548
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:31,800
we're not getting total gospel
clarity.

549
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,040
We're not getting like
everything in here.

550
00:26:34,360 --> 00:26:36,800
Where's the cross?
And he this quota came across.

551
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:41,360
We sing as if Christ had not yet
come, which makes sense if

552
00:26:41,360 --> 00:26:42,440
you're singing the Psalms.
Right.

553
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:46,760
If you're only singing the
Psalms and even this, I wonder.

554
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:50,880
Yeah, I need to get a Scottish
Psalter and look at this thing

555
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,640
and see how, see how they how
they like handled Psalm 22.

556
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,840
Because you could probably
explicitly name Christ there.

557
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,560
But if your rule is we're not
going to put a word in here

558
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:01,800
that's not in the Psalm, then
then you're not going to name

559
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,120
Christ for that.
I totally agree that it you

560
00:27:04,120 --> 00:27:07,160
know, if you're a Christian you
should sing as a Christian, not

561
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:12,200
as ancient Israel and so why
attempted to bring Christ into

562
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,000
the Psalms joy to the world.
Great example, what probably is

563
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,880
most famous example that I came
maybe George was most famous.

564
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:22,720
One of his most well done
examples was because if you read

565
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:24,120
about him, there is some
critique like, oh, I didn't

566
00:27:24,120 --> 00:27:26,240
handle this Psalm as well as he
probably should have.

567
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,800
Psalm 72 is like held up as this
one.

568
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:35,080
He did really, really well.
Jesus shall reign where the sun

569
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,320
is the name of the of the hymn
that he wrote.

570
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,120
And I'm like that.
In case you want to be further

571
00:27:39,120 --> 00:27:42,440
reading, check it out.
Whatever, I don't know that

572
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:44,440
that's like the one that came up
over and over and this is he did

573
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:48,280
so well, like like using the
foundation of the Psalm, but

574
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,280
incorporating Christ.
Yeah, yeah, That, that's really

575
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,640
good.
I I think we saw the same thing

576
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:53,960
with, you know, joy of the
world.

577
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:55,120
Yeah, totally.
Yeah.

578
00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:03,080
You would want your songs to be
theological and logical, and the

579
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:07,840
Psalms anticipate Christ.
But you want we since we know

580
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,480
Christ came.
You want to be able to sing

581
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,920
about that fulfillment, and so
you need a fuller expression of

582
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,440
what the Psalms do on their own.
And you, you mentioned it like

583
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:22,040
if I was hearing to, if I was
hearing a preacher, a pastor

584
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:27,200
like Psalm 22, I would hope we'd
be like doing it through the

585
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,200
lens of, of Christ, like, like
you would do that with sermons,

586
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,760
Like, you know, we, we could do
that with songs too, right?

587
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,400
Right.
But it does take some wisdom

588
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:36,560
because.
Not.

589
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,040
Everyone may not.
Just like, just like someone can

590
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,440
preach a really bad sermon on
Psalm 22, you can write a really

591
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,200
bad song on it too, I'm sure.
Right, right.

592
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:50,360
So Watts's innovation, he had
explicit hymns about the cross,

593
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:55,040
about the resurrection Trinity,
which also more fully revealed

594
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:58,280
in the New Testament and the
incarnation, which, you know,

595
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:01,960
all of those things.
So I'm excited to look at, you

596
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,440
know, some hymns of, of Watts
and see what he has.

597
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,360
Yeah.
See what Watts all about.

598
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:09,200
We talked about a lot of these
strengths.

599
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,840
The critiques from Exclusive
Psalmody would say, hey, these

600
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,920
are uninspired.
You're maybe maybe Watts is

601
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,360
nailing it, but who's to say
that, you know, Watts Junior or

602
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,760
the third's going to like be
just as strong directed?

603
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,720
TJ may not be, may not be
nailing it.

604
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:26,520
You know what I'm?
Saying if you if you

605
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,720
Christianize the Psalm, you
might be divorcing it from its

606
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,840
original intent.
And I think, you know, maybe you

607
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,440
could run the risk of that if
not done well, but you know, the

608
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:37,600
people that do it well.
I think look, if so, so

609
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,120
questions.
Maybe we're bringing it more

610
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:44,880
today with this tension.
You know what, what's it mean to

611
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:48,720
worship faithfully?
Can we only use inspired words

612
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:53,000
or, or can you faithfully
express inspired truth

613
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,480
differently?
And, and we would much like our

614
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,240
Presbyterian brothers say creeds
and confessions are great.

615
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:00,840
They're not the word of God.
You alluded this, but but

616
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:02,920
they're good, you know, for the,
for the most part, maybe you

617
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,480
don't agree with everything, but
most, I mean, especially when

618
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:07,080
you get to the early creeds,
you're like, man, they're

619
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,920
they're nailing it pretty well.
Yeah, yeah, Yeah, exactly.

620
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:11,840
So here's some modern
approaches.

621
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:13,440
You could have exclusive
psalmody.

622
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:18,400
So I'm sure you still do that
Psalm dominant worship with

623
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:23,600
hymns or balance psalms with
hymns and spiritual songs.

624
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:25,720
Call this one the Colossians 3
approach.

625
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:27,520
That's great.
Yeah, 'cause that's the one that

626
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:28,880
gets me.
It's like all these things are

627
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:33,000
in that passage and that
correlating passage in Ephesians

628
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:36,680
2, so.
So do we need to sit down and

629
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:40,160
top of the worship leaders and
really restrict the songs that

630
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:43,520
we sing?
I think I think it's AI think

631
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:47,400
the overarching question is a
good question to ask yourself

632
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,520
when you're in worship.
Are these songs faithful to

633
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:54,360
scripture or are they not?
And hopefully that that's

634
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:58,240
apparent, you know, and if and
if you don't think they are, I

635
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:01,480
think that's a great question.
Like in in charity to be like,

636
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:03,720
Hey, what about maybe they can
show you actually this is what

637
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:05,640
it's based out of, or maybe
they'll be like, man, you got

638
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:07,040
me, or like, I didn't think
about that.

639
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:13,920
I'm sure you know, worst case
for most places, it just like,

640
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:15,880
oh, we just picked a song.
If it's like, you know, as

641
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,440
popular I heard on the radio
like that, you know, didn't give

642
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,480
as much thought.
Most, most churches are not.

643
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,120
Like I'm just trying to sneak in
some heresy one song at a time.

644
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,000
Well, talking about sneaking in,
I think I'm going to encourage

645
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:31,760
Chris or Tim to sing above all
at some point in time and

646
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,680
honestly?
To me, one of the what our

647
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:38,200
church did well with reckless
love is I think Tim took like 2

648
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,520
minutes and like explained stuff
about it and even just like, and

649
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:43,760
we do this often like you'll
everyone will talk in between

650
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,680
songs and like either explain
something about the song or

651
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,680
maybe a text.
That kind of stuff is helpful as

652
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:51,480
it right here's.
Your mind, if you think about

653
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,160
this, if you're struggling.
And then we also tried replacing

654
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:57,920
the word and it seemed a little
weird since it's the title.

655
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:02,480
Like we do rewrite some words
sometimes like we saying Jesus

656
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:04,160
is better.
That's our closing song.

657
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:11,000
And there is a phrase that says
in all triumphs Jesus is better.

658
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:14,400
I think it's something like that
or in all victories Jesus is

659
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:15,960
better.
But we rewrite that to say in

660
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:20,760
all temptation because it seems
like it's, yeah, there's nothing

661
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,400
wrong with what the original 1,
but it's like that one kind of

662
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,640
really puts like in your
temptations.

663
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:28,480
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You need to be thinking Jesus

664
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:30,880
better.
So I'm not against making some

665
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,760
little tweaks to the lyrics
every now and then, but it's

666
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:35,800
tough to do that to the title of
the song.

667
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,240
That's a tough one.
Well, I I think that's a great

668
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:41,560
way.
Great place to land the plane.

669
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:43,160
Came across this quote.
I love it.

670
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:47,280
The Psalms teach us how to sing,
but Christ teaches us why we

671
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:48,040
sing.
How how long does?

672
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,960
Incorporating Christ back into
it, think about what your

673
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:54,600
church's songs during worship
reveal what you believe about

674
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:58,160
God and and what he wants from
his people in worship.

675
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:05,040
We got one more worship ish pod.
Maybe like a survey, I guess was

676
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:08,920
a subsection of time.
Maybe a survey across, you know,

677
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,520
everything starting with the
early church, like what was

678
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:15,280
there, you know, worship like.
Yeah, that'd be good.

679
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,520
So that's next Thursday.
Next Thursday will drop.

680
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:20,240
All right.
So in this one we kind of talked

681
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,560
about what exclusive psalmody,
not community was.

682
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:25,720
That's right, that's right.
I tried to lose off track early

683
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,440
on.
We talked about it getting

684
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:33,040
really adopted out of the
Reformation, John Calvin and

685
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:37,600
those following around 15
hundreds for the next 100 years

686
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,560
or so.
Isaac Watts kind of in the

687
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,880
middle of this going this is
great, but where's Christ?

688
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,680
That's right.
And so we talked about some pros

689
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,440
and cons.
Who practices Exclusive?

690
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,120
Psalmody today.
Yeah, some of the, yeah,

691
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,840
theological logic.
And then, you know, ask, ask

692
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,560
yourself when you're singing,
like where you know, how, how is

693
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,720
our church's worship?
Yeah, that's good.

694
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,240
All right, so it's a good
episode summary.

695
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,199
Now I feel like we do have a
little bit of banter we we

696
00:34:08,199 --> 00:34:11,560
should talk about.
I I was thinking, should we like

697
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:15,520
when we transition on the back
end, are we like now it's time

698
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,000
for our final take or our last
or something and like

699
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:19,520
transition?
To the this is our take too.

700
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:21,120
That's our last Yeah, yeah,
something.

701
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:24,239
Like that.
So anyway, get it, get it out of

702
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:26,159
here.
I'm I, you know, it's fine.

703
00:34:26,199 --> 00:34:27,679
Patriots.
Let's talk about the Patriots,

704
00:34:27,679 --> 00:34:30,040
Michael.
Patriots on to the Super Bowl.

705
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:35,560
What an easy life.
It's it's like the kid who just,

706
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:37,840
you know, everything's handed
like.

707
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,920
I saw a post today, it was like,
man, our hearts go out to those

708
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:45,560
second graders and younger who
who have been Patriots fans all

709
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,320
their lives and not seen a Super
Bowl.

710
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:50,719
It's time that it's, you know,
it's good for them to.

711
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,600
It's it's just amazing.
I feel like it happens all the

712
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:57,080
time.
It just like back bow Nicks

713
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,560
breaks his ankle.
It just like all all the breaks

714
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,760
this this season in particular,
the easy schedule stuff and then

715
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:07,880
we get to, you know, a
quarterback who if he spiked at

716
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:11,360
the whole game would have would
have had a better outcome.

717
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:16,280
Yeah, and people, people read
off that stat as though the

718
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,720
Patriots defense had nothing to
do with contributing to that

719
00:35:19,720 --> 00:35:21,520
stat.
I don't know if they did I, I

720
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:23,440
think, I think there.
Was so much pressure on him.

721
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:25,720
I think.
His clock was speed up.

722
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:31,440
You had Milton and the Tonga and
another, the other defensive

723
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:34,520
tackle, they were rotating in.
You can look at those plays,

724
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:36,720
they were in his.
Are you talking about?

725
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:40,520
Texans.
Well, I'm looking at, I mean, I

726
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:43,440
know CJ Show missing his top two
offensive threats.

727
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:44,840
So I kind of feel for him a
little bit.

728
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,480
But it's like I I talked, I told
this to you, Michael.

729
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:51,520
He, he threw a guy was wide open
and tore this guy's ACL because

730
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,120
he had to like contort and get
back to the wild.

731
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,560
Yeah, he.
I agree with you he had a bad

732
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:01,800
game, but it's not as though
that happens in a vacuum, that

733
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:05,640
happens in the context he.
Had a bad game against the 28th

734
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:08,240
best defense with the Steelers.
Like he fumble at four times.

735
00:36:08,240 --> 00:36:10,760
Anyway, that's all.
I'm not saying the Patriots

736
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,560
deserve it, because what they do
good, what they've done well is

737
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:19,080
they they don't wow me, but they
don't decombust, they don't self

738
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:22,320
destruct.
I think that was a hallmark of

739
00:36:23,240 --> 00:36:26,240
I, I don't know if it's
something that Vrabel caught, if

740
00:36:26,240 --> 00:36:30,520
it's a Josh McDaniels thing, but
it's a hallmark of them.

741
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,520
You could be like, yeah, they
studied film a lot, but a

742
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,640
hallmark of them really
preparing for their opponent and

743
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,720
trying to like take away those
of that opponent's weapons

744
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:44,160
while, you know, re scheming
stuff, you know, 'cause they

745
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:47,240
don't have the same.
And you could say that's true.

746
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:51,600
But I've heard like these, you
know, Gronk and Edelman have

747
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:53,000
this podcast.
Yeah.

748
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,840
And they've have other NFL
players from other teams on

749
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:57,200
there.
And one of the comments that

750
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:00,560
they would say is that, you
know, the Patriots look

751
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,600
different every week.
So it's hard for teams to scheme

752
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:05,760
against them to to scheme
against them.

753
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:07,360
It's.
Just like I just wish they would

754
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:11,680
play like one, just one like
top, top 20 quarterback.

755
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:13,040
That's what I want.
Maybe.

756
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,080
I mean, if we don't get it in
two weeks.

757
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,680
You might not Sam Darnold a top,
he probably has top 20

758
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,720
quarterback, but it's like I've
really wanted Matt Stafford just

759
00:37:20,720 --> 00:37:22,680
to have the like, even though I
know the Rams defense.

760
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:26,040
Wanted Matt's effort the the
Rams did not look great last.

761
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:29,120
Night they, they had a, they had
like 500 yards, maybe not quite

762
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,600
that many, but they, they were,
they were putting on the offense

763
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:33,520
if they could.
Their defense did not look.

764
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,120
Great defense, looked bad.
You can't catch a punch.

765
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,400
It's just one of those things
where it's like.

766
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:41,160
Teams crashed out.
It's like, yeah, it's like both

767
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:42,320
sides of it.
I feel for it.

768
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,680
Like I feel bad for the Broncos
that their whole team's like

769
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,040
above average and they were just
like in Sidham's hands is like a

770
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:53,360
bummer that he like threw like 3
basketball chess passes slash 1

771
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:54,840
when he was like he threw one
backwards.

772
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,440
Like, Oh, I hate that your
season came down to like this

773
00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:59,680
random guy.
I the Texans defense.

774
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,600
I hate that it came down to
Stroud, but by the opposite,

775
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,640
it's like I feel bad for
Stafford that like your defense

776
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,920
just like can't get it done
because I really.

777
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:12,520
But I think the and then what's
going to happen is the Seahawks

778
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:14,680
have have a good defense.
I'm just like, man, their

779
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,640
quarterback looked pretty.
He's looked pretty good.

780
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:21,600
But I saved Arnold, remember
last year, his playoff past is

781
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:22,880
not that great outside of this
year.

782
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,760
He's like kind of known for
doing the thing that I just said

783
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:29,040
the Patriots don't do.
He's someone he has one pick,

784
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,080
he's gonna throw 5 picks.
Like that's like classic, you

785
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:31,880
know what I mean?
So it's like.

786
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:35,560
What do you want, Donald?
Donald, Yeah.

787
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,680
He won 14 with the Vikings last
year, right?

788
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:40,160
Did you see his playoff exit
though?

789
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,360
He caught he cost.
If he was so good, the Vikings

790
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:44,160
would have kept him.
The bikes are getting him out of

791
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:45,200
here.
We don't want him or you know

792
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,200
what I mean?
Like they they where he had a

793
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,000
really good.
He's a great quarterback, but

794
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,800
he's a little bit in his head.
If I got you, I think if he's in

795
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:52,600
the game.
He's good.

796
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:58,920
Aaron Rodgers super, super four
time MVP, Super Bowl champion

797
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:01,560
Aaron Rodgers.
But I will say this is I I need

798
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:07,080
to say my vehement discuss for
the Patriots, which last night I

799
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:10,440
was worried.
Mac Gilbert, man, he was so

800
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:12,560
complimentary of the Patriots.
I I couldn't handle it.

801
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:16,600
But then but then he was we were
at least, you know, aligned for

802
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:21,320
some of this, this catch stuff.
But This is why it's really I

803
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,760
like the Patriots fans that I
know in Charleston overall.

804
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:28,160
Yeah, most of your family,
there's only one person I really

805
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:29,520
dislike.
I'll let you guys figure that.

806
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:30,800
No, I'm just kidding.
All of you guys are great.

807
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:35,440
But it's like, I think all the
Patriots fan I knew middle

808
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,440
school, high school, like the
worst really more than this.

809
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,600
I don't fly a lot, but I I.
Probably I'm scared of the

810
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:43,880
Boston Pat fans.
I I that's what your daughter

811
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:47,720
said yesterday.
I I fly maybe like 15 * a year a

812
00:39:47,720 --> 00:39:52,360
couple times for like vacation
and a little bit for work and it

813
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:57,120
is 2 fan bases, Pat's being one
of them that always are like the

814
00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:00,760
worst to like ever.
Not to like me, but to like the

815
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:02,120
stewardess and stuff like the
worst.

816
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,040
Can you guess what the other fan
like when I see a hat?

817
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:05,440
You could probably guess if they
would.

818
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:07,000
They're kind of known for this a
little bit.

819
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:10,120
The Bills.
No, not the Bills.

820
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:11,920
But they are, they're kind of,
oh, the, the Eagles.

821
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:12,800
Eagles.
Eagles.

822
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:16,320
It's usually a Philly or a Pat's
hat that I see and they're just

823
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:19,560
being the worst.
But Philly I kind of expected,

824
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:21,520
but I guess I should but but so
that's what I'm that's what I

825
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:23,760
judge it off of too.
But it's like, man.

826
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:28,400
Hopefully we're aging out some
of those older, obnoxious Boston

827
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:33,120
Pats fans, you know, you know,
just, I heard some of the

828
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:36,960
players talking about the home
games in the playoffs and how

829
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:41,160
great the fans were because, you
know, fans aren't always nice to

830
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:43,840
their own players.
And they're like, you know, just

831
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:46,280
how much that support meant to
them.

832
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:49,760
So, you know, maybe I.
Don't know, maybe there's hope.

833
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,280
Yeah.
I don't like total.

834
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:55,560
I just, I think it just
ingrained in me where in my mind

835
00:40:55,560 --> 00:41:00,680
it's like the Pats, Ohio State,
Duke, just pro.

836
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,240
I just feel like programs that
just get everything handed to

837
00:41:03,240 --> 00:41:04,720
them in my mind.
That's my.

838
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:06,440
That's my.
That's my, that's what I feel.

839
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:08,840
Yeah, Yeah.
Where it's like, man, another

840
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:11,880
lucky break.
Yeah, it would have been nice to

841
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:14,360
know how we would have matched
up with Bonex there.

842
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:17,440
It would have been nice to know,
you know, what it would look

843
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:18,760
like if our schedule is
different.

844
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,920
But in the words of Kanye West,
I guess we'll never know.

845
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:24,880
We'll never know, honestly.
And it's like this too, Bo

846
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,960
Nicks, like didn't even like
break his ankle during the game.

847
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,680
Like, it it just like, I mean,
yeah, but he finished the game,

848
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:32,440
is what he said.
But it's like he can finish the

849
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,120
game, but as soon as the game's
over, he's like, sorry, we're

850
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:36,880
you.
Could see him limping in the

851
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:38,720
plays after it and he he.
Could play though.

852
00:41:39,240 --> 00:41:42,560
Like, they think the adrenaline
was probably help, but you could

853
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:46,120
see him visibly grimacing on the
sidelines.

854
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,880
So it's like, yeah.
'Cause it was like, man, Stidham

855
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:52,160
was just an abomination.
He had one good throw and then

856
00:41:52,720 --> 00:41:54,920
other than that and that one
throw was a really good.

857
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:58,240
Throw it was he was a really
good throw that that that drive.

858
00:41:58,240 --> 00:42:00,280
He had that one really good
throw and then he had a good

859
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:04,360
throw where this guy covered
over the top of our DBS and was

860
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:05,640
in the back of the end zone and
caught it.

861
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:07,480
Those were both good.
Throws I I don't know a lot

862
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,040
about football, but when my
quarterback starts passing it

863
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:11,720
like that, I'm out.
I'm out.

864
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:14,280
Like I can understand like a
little flip, like a shovel pass,

865
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:15,480
but when?
That's what he's trying to.

866
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:18,520
Do do you want a 2?
Just like no no.

867
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:23,640
Let's talk about the refs
blowing a whistle on that and

868
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:26,640
how often are they coached.
If something like that goes

869
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:29,760
happen, that goes down and
starts happening, you let it

870
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:30,840
play out.
That's true.

871
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:34,040
And they did they the refs
overall have done good at

872
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:36,200
letting it play out.
There was unusual that they did

873
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:40,640
in this game, but they got they
they did own it in the fact that

874
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,000
OK, that's like us, let's make
it right.

875
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:47,360
They did cause a lot of times.
Well, to be clear, yeah, the New

876
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:49,920
York refs owned it and fixed it.
They're on the same.

877
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:56,520
Team the white hat on the field
did not and I think if if what I

878
00:42:56,520 --> 00:43:00,720
saw is correct, last night was
the first time the Broncos lost

879
00:43:00,720 --> 00:43:04,560
a home game with that white hat
being the white hat there and he

880
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:07,520
was the one blowing the whistle
to blow that dead, which should

881
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:08,800
have resulted in immediate
touchdown.

882
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:09,960
Now we did get a touchdown out
of.

883
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:13,200
It like it always does, it works
out for the Pats anyway.

884
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:15,560
They even when they don't get
the call, they get it.

885
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:18,400
It works out for them.
It's fine.

886
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:19,800
We'll see.
We'll see.

887
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:24,760
I if as a Pats fan, would you
have rather like, who did you

888
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:28,360
want to see Rams or Seahawks
like or do you like?

889
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:29,440
It doesn't matter.
You're like it.

890
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:32,400
Didn't really matter until I
started seeing the Rams kind of

891
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,120
fall apart and I'm like, well, I
don't like to play the Rams.

892
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:35,840
I I mean I.
Want us to win?

893
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:40,040
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, there's no Tell me there's

894
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:43,280
not a team in there that that
doesn't say I want a Super Bowl

895
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,440
victory.
Who's the team?

896
00:43:45,720 --> 00:43:48,080
Who's the person that's like,
you know, I'd want us to go up

897
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:51,560
against the best, the best The
Who has all their healthy

898
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:53,520
players and we don't have all of
our healthy players.

899
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:55,280
You want the win?
You want the dub?

900
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:57,080
So I was like some.
People.

901
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:01,520
But I thought it also would have
been poetic for Stafford and May

902
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:04,000
to go against each other because
they've been the subject of the

903
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:06,400
MVP of the league, so that would
have been nice.

904
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:09,240
Yeah, that'd been a cool way to
end it.

905
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:11,720
We'll never know.
I just, I was like, this would

906
00:44:11,720 --> 00:44:12,920
be fun.
I know we're running along here.

907
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:14,840
What would be fun?
But it's at the end, so it's

908
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:16,200
like you could already turn it
off that's.

909
00:44:16,240 --> 00:44:18,880
Right, That's right.
We don't feel bad if we can

910
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,960
think of it.
It would be fun to do like a

911
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:26,720
wager of like, oh, if the packs
win, I'll do something stupid or

912
00:44:26,720 --> 00:44:28,160
you know what I mean?
Like something like silly on the

913
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:29,200
podcast.
We could think of it.

914
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:31,720
I was like trying to think of
something that wasn't too bad,

915
00:44:31,720 --> 00:44:34,760
but it's like funny.
Yeah, yeah, like that's like I'd

916
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:37,000
be like, and it's all good fun.
Like it'll, it'll be fun.

917
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:40,400
Like I would, I'd be like as a
you know, it'd be, it'd be fun

918
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:42,520
to do something if it's like,
you know, worth it.

919
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:43,920
So maybe maybe be thinking about
it.

920
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:45,440
We'll, we'll when, when does
this air?

921
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:53,280
Before Thursday, the what is the
day is Monday the 26th, so this

922
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:56,040
Thursday so 27th and. 29th OK,
yeah.

923
00:44:56,080 --> 00:45:00,200
So definitely All right, cool.
Well, any, any other thoughts?

924
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:01,720
Get it out now.
This is your chance man.

925
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:04,520
Because we're not going to talk
about the press until the Super

926
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:07,760
Bowl, right?
No, I mean.

927
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:10,000
What a tough schedule.
What a tough.

928
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:11,120
Life.
You have to.

929
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:12,520
I just.
I just have to.

930
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:14,840
Yeah.
It was a tough schedule.

931
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:18,600
This is you.
You poke the bear, you get a

932
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:21,120
response.
I remember like, the first four

933
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:23,600
or five games was like, we
started getting that winning

934
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:24,120
streak.
Yeah.

935
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:25,880
But you have not played anyone
from the NFC.

936
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:28,760
The AFC is horrible.
We beat the Bucks and another

937
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:30,880
NFC team like, well,
congratulations.

938
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:34,520
Like every time we beat the team
that is supposed to, you know,

939
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:38,640
hand us our loss, there's
excuses that are made.

940
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:42,200
And that's what they are.
Good excuses like the CJ Stroud

941
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:46,000
implode that started before the
game underneath the the

942
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:47,360
Steelers.
You're welcome.

943
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:51,600
We can cuss their best receiver
and gotten CJ Stroud's head,

944
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:54,200
which is not a good sign.
And then?

945
00:45:54,680 --> 00:46:01,000
I wish this our, you know, week
1314 team could go back and play

946
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:04,000
that Raiders game again.
Man, it'd be a different game.

947
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:06,280
Oh.
I just got an announcement Sam

948
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:08,880
Darnold got in a snowmobiling
accident.

949
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:11,160
He's out for just give you guys
the trophy.

950
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:13,840
I might as well.
You know what?

951
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:15,640
What surprised me?
You believed it for 1/2 a

952
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:16,600
second.
No, I'm just kidding.

953
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:19,920
So we'll see.
We'll see what happens.

954
00:46:20,240 --> 00:46:23,960
We're Super Bowls in San
Francisco, something like that.

955
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:25,960
I think so, yes.
Yes, Yes, it is.

956
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:26,920
Yeah.
Sweet.

957
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:28,400
All right, Yeah.
Last chance.

958
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:30,280
Get it out, Michael.
As we're closing this episode,

959
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:31,960
let's because we can't say we're
about to take it next to the

960
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:32,840
level that's right.
We have to.

961
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:35,520
That's our take.
And that's take a look.

962
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:38,000
It's been your you've been able
to some of the patriots.

963
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:39,000
You close this out all.
Right.

964
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:42,720
Go drink many.
That's our take.

965
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:46,840
Thanks for listening to Take
Two.

966
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:50,160
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