From Chaos to Calling | A Teacher's Story Part 1

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All right.
Well, welcome.

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And we have a guest with us
today, Mr. Doctor.

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Bush.
Matthew.

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Matt Gilbert and the Flesh.
Glad to be here and I hear that

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you're somewhat of a
connoisseur, like an expert on 7

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legged octopi AKA.
Septopus OK, there we go.

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OK, I was made an expert by your
daughter who has developed this

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like, whimsical storyline around
Fred Deceptipus and various

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injuries and travails that he's
went through.

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Lydia.
This definitely, I think Lydia.

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I'm probably almost out.
Fell drew one on his board every

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day after school.
And so we created, yeah, this

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like, weird situation that I
eventually started to take

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advantage of where I have 8th
graders for homeroom and they

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would come in and there would be
this and it would be labeled as

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Fred Deceptipus.
But like, it was kind of kept a

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secret from like the 8th
graders.

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It's like this rite of passage
thing of like, oh, we don't, we

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don't talk about that.
That's like not a thing that was

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a that was a Jonathan White
trick there to go ahead and just

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like just make it a secret.
And the more like mystery there

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is around it, the bigger deal it
becomes, Even if it's just a

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crazy, crazy senior doing crazy
senior stuff.

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I think it's from finding an emo
too or something.

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Like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
It was never explained to me in

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that way.
That would make that would make

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far more sense.
I I should brush up on my kid

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movies.
Yeah.

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Yeah.
Because, yeah, I did not know

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that.
I just thought it was a thing.

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And again, there's this whole
back story about it.

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It's a it's a long story, so
very cool.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, my question, I feel like

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this would be a great place to
solve a dilemma.

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I'm a little bit nervous to ask
it because if if you remember, I

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know you remember last year,
man, our kids were on a pretty

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amazing soccer team.
Yes, we were undefeated, I

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think, correct which and that's
what it's all about at that.

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Age.
Oh, that's what, yes, when

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you're talking about 7 and 8
year olds, what you want to do

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is mow for the competition.
That's what we were trying to

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instill with the killer instinct
in children.

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Which Simeon Matt Son, stalwart
goalie.

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It was amazing.
I did not.

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And I guess you played goalie.
Yeah, yeah.

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So growing up, like I was a
bigger dude and, you know, I

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wasn't exactly fleet afoot.
And so we didn't have a football

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team at all at the time.
I'm like, I need to run around a

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good bit.
And so I would go out there and

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play soccer and like they were
driving midfielder different

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places like that.
And finally they're like you're

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goalie, bro.
And so they finally put me back

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there and it it worked out
pretty well.

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I got pretty decent at it
because I was honoring enough to

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kind of run out and kind of dive
and be the crazy stuff and just

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be kind of a crazy person to do
football things as a goalie.

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And so apparently it's genetic
because Simeon kind of does a

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lot of the same sort of stuff.
I see the same mannerisms, like

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the same kind of mental thought
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And so I find myself way more
nervous watching him do it.

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Then.
It's weird being a parent watch

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this kind of stuff because when
you play you don't think about

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it, but when you're watching
your kids out there and it's

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like that kind of thing, even at
such a low stakes thing as that,

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it still kind of makes you
nervous.

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I've experienced that because
Karis played goalie and I've

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seen her die for a ball and I'm
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You have those mixed.
Responses like you want them to

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be aggressive, but then you see
like a foot that's like this far

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from your face, it's not good.
It's like, hey, we want to stop

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the ball, but we also don't want
you to fracture an orbital well,

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but that's not something we want
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I believe that's anatomically
correct that.

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Sounded great, but yeah, he's
got the good instincts, right.

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We were a great team,
undefeated.

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We some of those games we were
like really late.

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I think we weren't like
disrespectful, but we had a

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great team.
Yes, I would.

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I would wholly agree.
It was a lot of fun to watch and

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they all got so much better.
And to your infinite credit, you

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handled it great.
Like the kids had so much fun.

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They learned a lot.
And so anytime like as I get

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older, I appreciate kind of
institutions more and kind of

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the value they have in different
ways of shipping character and

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just letting kids have fun and
bringing parents together who

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may not have been together.
And so having you kind of

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facilitate that as the coach, my
introduction was.

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The head coach, yes.
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Did he have an assistant coach?
I did.

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So This is why I bring up
because I take a lot of heat

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because Michael's always like
we, I have assistant coach with

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him in basketball.
He's we and he's assistant.

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We've got kind of got back and
forth like when his daughter's

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playing, my kids playing.
And next year is like the

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perfect storm, where Jackson's
in second grade, Simeon's in

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second grade.
Absolutely.

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Phoebe's in kindergarten, which
I don't know if you've seen.

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Jackson is like, he's a giant
second grader.

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He's gonna, I'm actually a
little bit nervous 'cause he's

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not, he's not like I don't.
Think kindergarteners.

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Isn't it 123 and then four and
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I don't think kindergarteners
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no, no, sorry.
Sorry this is I'm thinking.

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Soccer, Soccer.
Soccer, which will be coming up.

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Yeah, we're trying to continue
the dynasty.

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Yeah, yeah.
It's called, Yeah, let's get the

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second ring.
You know, maybe we'll get the

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team rings.
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And.
He pops all the way around.

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I I love it and Jonathan Weiss
could could play.

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So I'm just saying we could have
a a lot.

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A lot of team or.
White.

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Hell, Gilbert team so.
I bring this up because we got

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to figure out the dynamic of the
coaching tree here because,

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yeah, there's a lot of us, you
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So I don't, I don't know, I was
like, maybe we can solve this

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problem, you know?
I'm here for it.

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I will fulfill whatever role is
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We should have like coordinate
like 4 coaches on the side and

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right there we're all coaching,
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If it's soccer, I probably just
should be the conditioning coach

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or something like that.
That's great.

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Like explaining offsides or
something, you know I.

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Just I just want to stand there
and draw a bunch of like

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esoteric nonsense on a on a
board and just start like

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showing it the kids just to see
their responses.

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It's an ornery approach, I
understand, but I would really

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enjoy it.
It'd be great and I'll, I'll

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tell you what I, we probably
could have used, I don't know if

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you noticed this, but there were
times where I think our team was

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the worst at it, where those on
the bench were like 5 fields

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over and I was like trying to
coach the people on the field

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and out.
It was chaos, but it was good,

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you know?
It was fun and like watching my

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son over there because he was
definitely a part of the of the

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of the group that was kind of
doing their own thing over there

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at times.
Was kind of fun to see because

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I'm like, hey, at least he's
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Coach Hill's really in the game,
and whatever's happening back

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there on that whimsical pirate
ship just is what it is.

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But we were undefeated.
That's anyway.

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Carry on.
Yeah.

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So you, you have listened to the
podcast some, correct?

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Yeah, Yeah, you don't.
It's OK if you haven't listened

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to every single one of them.
But did you catch our series on

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wisdom literature from the Old
Testament?

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I heard that that was a thing.
I had started one of them and I

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never got to the one which I
assume this is going direction

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of talking about Ecclesiastes
because I knew what this was.

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I was I'm getting funneled into
an Ecclesiastes.

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So Jonathan asked us to to maybe
have you just say a short word

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on the book of Ecclesiastes.
See, here's the thing with with

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Jonathan White and for y'all
that know him.

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Obviously, I know a lot of the
listeners do, he does these kind

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of things just as a troll tactic
because he knows like my, my

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mind is a, is a fragile
fractured sort of thing.

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And so like, I have to get a
thought going.

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And once the train starts going,
I can't really focus on anything

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else.
And so his goal is always to

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like, like get some thought and
set some thought in my head

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before it ever starts.
And so he'll have a kid come in

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and he always plants a question
with a kid because he's a

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coward.
He doesn't know himself.

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So wherever you are out there,
I'm sure you'll see this at some

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point in time.
You've already tried to plant a

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question here.
You're a coward.

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There was talk of scuffing the
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I'm just totally kidding.
I don't get anyone in trouble.

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No scores.
I'm not.

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Scuffing any floor on purpose.
So yeah, we, we, we have been

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graced to be able to record off
our normal location in the

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hallowed halls of Northwood
Academy and those floors.

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Have been waxed about Northwoods
or Northwood, I'm sorry it's.

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Terribly offensive to say that.
That the hallway smelled.

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I'm learning like all, all these
things, yeah.

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Yeah, you got to, you got to
learn the way of the land here

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as you go through the hallway,
every each other's own sort of

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thing.
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You should walk lower school,
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school that all three smell.
Different, different.

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Lower School smells like if you.
Blindfolded me and dropped me

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off at part of the school.
I would know where I was.

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That'd be amazing.
Like if they're like a popcorn

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smell.
Clearly you've dropped me off at

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the cafeteria.
If you drop me off over here,

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it's usually like a like a
cheaper Cologne type smell.

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We won't talk about the smells
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but they are unique.
There we go.

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Yes, yes.
So it's a different experience

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all together.
And I would say lower school, it

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smells like they're just hyping
up hand sanitizer fumes all day.

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It's like, no wonder my, you
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would come home with like just,
you know, raw stuff.

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Like they're like washing their.
Hands 15 times a day and putting

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sanitizer on.
Them because they're all

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diseases.
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You work with the most likely
carriers of almost everything

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somehow.
And yet obviously you live in

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utter fear of it.
That's just the way it goes.

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I love it.
We cover a lot just in the

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banter.
This is great.

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I'm excited for this.
This will be awesome.

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Matt, can you just stare into
the soul of the camera, OK?

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I'm I'm excited about this,
although I'm starting to forget

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the lines.
I'm a little nervous here.

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I'm not going to lie to you.
So let me just let me just go

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with this and say it's time to
take it to the next level here

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and let's fire up that twangy
music.

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From the hearts of the Low
Country in South Carolina.

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It's the Take Two podcast where
we take theology to the next

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level.
Well, Matt, really excited to

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have you on the podcast.
And, and really the first thing

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that came to my mind is you, you
know, my kids go to Northwood.

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It's great.
I grew up, I went to a Christian

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School, you went to Christian
School, you went to Northwood as

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a student and now you're
teaching at the school you went

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to.
And I think, you know, not only

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does that encompass a lot of
year, I mean a few decades and

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you can see how things have
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Like what's the good, what's the
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It's just so interesting to be
in that kind of ecosystem and

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just being able to pour into
kids life lives and see like, I

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don't know, I don't know.
I, that's what I want to hear

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about your testimony, how it
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So I'm sure a lot of things will
come out of that.

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And I'm also interested to know
how your parents, because they

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don't go to Northwick Assembly,
do they?

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No, they go to this.
School over like north side or

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faith assembly or.
Something and this we went to

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church here for, for a long
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And so they, we were members
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years.
And so this is from a church

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standpoint and from a school
standpoint, kind of the to the

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more central institutions in my
life that kind of developed who

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I was.
And so I have a lot to be

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thankful for for this place.
You know, it's why I've come

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back here.
It's weird to be back, but

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certainly.
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I mean, we chose this because I
think you're talking for.

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Yeah.
How many years?

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This is going to be 10.
Oh, a decade, Yeah.

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So which is like, it's crazy to
think I've been back here for a

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decade now, but yeah, it's been
this is going to be your 10.

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And so I guess for me, I mean,
starting off like like most kids

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that grew up in the Bible Belt,
like I was expose the Gospel

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early.
I did believe myself to be a

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believer.
But there's this kind of rite of

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passage thing that I see kind
of, you know, kind of coming of

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age sort of thing that I see
with like all the kids different

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ages.
Some it's more severe than

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others were like you start to
question everything where it, it

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has to switch from, from your,
from your parents faith to your

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faith.
And for some people that's a

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really easy transition.
For other people, it's not.

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And so my mom particularly was
very good about like, look at

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the Bible, said it like she went
with it and, and she was

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comfortable with that and did
not have to think through like a

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lot of different peripheral
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And there's nothing wrong with
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A lot of the students are that
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student that was very much so
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And this is where kind of this
institution created some guide

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rails for me that allowed me
different avenues to ask

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questions, that allowed me
different avenues to struggle

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both with faith and just with
being 15 or whatever, and to try

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to come to grips and make the
faith my own.

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And so one of the things I'm
most pleased with, to be honest,

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being back here is there are
definitely situations with kids

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over the years that I've carried
on a relationship after they've

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left that I've taught in
multiple years, some of them

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three years in a situation like
that where like you see the

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growth and you know that in some
small way, like, look, I'm not

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the Holy Spirit, I'm not doing
the work.

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I'm able to kind of be a little
bit of those guide rails for

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them.
And that's like the most

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thrilling process and like
teaching middle school and high

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school because I've, I've done
about middle school for most of

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the time.
Last year I switched and I, I

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went from teaching to 7th and
8th grade to now I teach 8th

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grade and seniors and like, and
so it's a different dynamic

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altogether of reaching kids in
different situations that have

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different struggles.
But seeing like different groups

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now and have been here 10 years,
go from the far end of the other

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hall, which you don't know what
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If you don't, you're not around
here, but that's the middle

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school hall.
And then you slowly March your

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way over here and then see who
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The seniors is kind of the thing
that keeps you coming back.

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I am fascinated in not only like
I grew up in a Christian School

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and I went to Christian School,
but I never have taught at the

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Christian School I went to.
That is like just.

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Amazing, weird dude.
Like I still at times, like I

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was like up until a couple years
ago, the assistant principal who

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was like the hammer, if he got
in trouble, he's made of wires.

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And like, he didn't like, he
didn't like really show emotion

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like a real boy.
He was kind of Pinocchio, you

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know what I mean?
And so but like, but like if

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Pinocchio and Terminator had a
baby, that's like what he was

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like, OK.
And so like he would come by my

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classroom and it would be about
a student, but like 15 year old

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me remembered like, oh crap, I'm
getting suspended because like

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if Mr. Combs came by and it came
by my room, I was in trouble.

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And like I couldn't get that out
of my head.

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And so like anytime you showed
up, like my heart kind of

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skipped because I'm like, I'm,
I'm toast.

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Like this is going to be
terrible.

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And so it's just weird.
So it's different.

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It's different being in the
building that like you, not the

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same building, but the same
institution that kind of made

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you in some way.
That is pretty cool.

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Not to get too much on a
tangent, biggest difference

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between an eighth grader and a
senior or like one of like what,

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what how would you characterize
like because you teach both of

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those right now.
So you're going back and forth.

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OK, yes.
Man, OK.

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Oh, that's a really hard
question.

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Let's start with just the amount
of showers taken.

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I think for seniors,
considerably higher, but no, I

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mean, that's more so the younger
groups there, but there's a lot

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more in depth questioning.
There's a lot more cynicism from

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the older groups, if I had to be
honest.

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And there's a lot more they're
much better at kind of if you're

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faking it in any way, like kind
of smelling that out and knowing

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like, OK, he's saying the words
he has to say because this is

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where he works or this is
something he really believes.

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And like they know that pretty
quick.

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And so there is a balance
though, as a teacher, I'll be

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honest, that is difficult at
times between I need to be

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authentic with the students and
be a real person that has kids,

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that has a life, that struggles
with different things.

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You know, whatever, I'm having a
bad day, good day, whatever.

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But also like I'm on stage when
I'm in the classroom, like I'm

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in, I'm in front of the kids and
I'm expected to fulfill a role.

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And so regardless of what's
going on at home on that given

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day, when I show up here,
they're expecting something from

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me.
I could be as authentic as I can

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be.
I can tell, hey, you know,

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having a weird day or whatever,
but then getting into like a

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hey, I'm still here for these
kids.

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And regardless of what I feel
like, I have God's put me here

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and I could pour out whatever I
got here and and trust that he's

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going to provide whatever I need
in those situations, if that

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makes sense.
That makes that makes total

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sense.
Alright, so you're talking about

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having an influence on kids and
I think you know from my

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experience teaching here a
couple of years, some of those

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kids will.
Let you have an influence.

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On them and some.
You know, don't.

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They're pretty.
Private or they just have a wall

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up around them.
But I remember you telling a

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story about when you were a
student here, about how a

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teacher had a huge influence on
on.

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You so yeah, for me I had a
teacher here was also a

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principal here Doctor Houston
who spent a lot of time with me

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both when I became a teacher and
also when I was a student.

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But in this particular case, I
was probably 10th grade, I was

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dealing with a lot of stuff in
all 10th grade already trying to

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figure out kind of who you are.
If I believe in God, like, you

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know what, I, what does God want
me to be those kind of things

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and deal with like depression
and those kind of things.

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And I was having a particularly
kind of weird sort of day, just

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like a short season of really
depression.

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And I remember walking down the
hallway and seeing Doctor

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Houston.
She came over and said hi and

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then, you know, whatever for a
second.

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But then she kind of walked on
about her day.

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And then going to class, I don't
remember what the class was in

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that moment because quite
frankly, my head was kind of

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spinning.
And I remember getting called

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out of class at that time.
And that was kind of usual.

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But I didn't think I had a
doctor.

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There's probably anything going
on.

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And what had happened was Doctor
Houston had seen me.

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She had known just from my
facial expressions, from the

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tone of my voice, that something
wasn't right, that, you know, I

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was going through something.
And she cared enough and she

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understood enough who I was to
realize, hey, there's something

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here.
And kind of pulled me aside and

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had a pretty long conversation,
kind of getting to get an idea

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of where I was and what was
going on and kind of getting rid

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of the problem.
And it felt good in that moment

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to kind of be seen and, and,
and, and people think time to

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pay attention to you, You know,
when you're 15, you feel like,

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you know, you're a little fish
in a big, you know, big pond or

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whatever, no matter what school
it is, even a small place like

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this.
And so that there was that a

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level of individual care and
concern that I was taken out of

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class for probably an hour and
just was able to kind of go

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through and let loose of this in
an area where I felt safe was

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profoundly important for me at
that point, my development.

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That's pretty amazing.
And now you as a teacher, like,

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can't you know, dude, kind of
look for those same kind of

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things And you know the people.
It's like every day you kind of

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see both sides of it.
I'll tell you, Matt is very

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attentive.
Saw you in the soccer season.

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They didn't see you for a while.
And then at Lidia's graduation

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party, saw you.
And the first thing you said to

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me was growing that you said
ferocious beard.

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And they gave me the confidence.
Haven't haven't trimmed it

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since.
I'm going to keep it.

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That's awesome.
That's awesome.

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Yeah, the go to there looks
pretty good on you, man.

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It's not something I can pull
off, but certainly something

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you're pulling off quite well,
man, so I expect you keep doing.

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It you guys.
Can grow such glorious fears you

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know, this is what I'm stuck
with I'm trying to do the best

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best I can, but let's say you
got good good attention,

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attention to detail, you know
and like with my job I see

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patients and I see them two or
three days a week, but you can

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see these people every single
day and I feel like I catch a

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lot of stuff with my patients
that like their position will

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miss because you see them you
know when you're sick or

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whatever it's like, oh, you pick
up on something just having that

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time it's pretty valuable That's
one thing I I, we've had a great

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experience with Northwood, but
just the investment of teachers

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that pick up on this thing it's
a it's a pretty pretty neat role

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because I know you know teaching
you get to have that influence

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but just like with any other job
there's you know, challenges

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with it no.
Doubt.

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Yeah.
And that's like the big one

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because obviously we can do
something like this.

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It's not about the money.
Otherwise you'd be doing pretty

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much anything else.
It is about those connections

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that you do.
And I don't mean that a negative

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way or majority of what, but
like that's, that's the reality

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of it, you know, but you do it
because those situations pop up

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and like, look, the cool thing
about being here is there's any

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number of different subjects
that are going on all day that

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you can talk about.
I love a few things in life,

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football, I love history and I
love theology.

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And at different points
throughout my day, I'm I'm kind

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of talking about all of them.
And so those oftentimes

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different situations create
those sort of inroads.

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And so so much of like your job
is about appearances to the

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kids.
Like you can be kind of glib and

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snarky in a fun way, but if
you're if you're over the top

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with that, you give off an image
of I don't care.

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And that's the last thing you
want to do.

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So you want to make yourself
approach, but you want to be fun

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and kind of interesting to the
kids so that they want to like

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be in your class, even though
they're not like subject

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material.
You know, he's all right, but at

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the same time you have to make
yourself seem approachable.

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So when the time comes and
there's something really going

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on, you may be somebody they can
turn to and kind of guy, because

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that's what this is about, to be
honest.

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00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:40,600
Yeah, I don't know if you can
think about this, Michael.

448
00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:43,360
When I like, I think back to
when I was in elementary, middle

449
00:19:43,360 --> 00:19:46,000
school, high school, I had
honestly have teachers that

450
00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:48,000
really care about me.
But there there's like maybe 3

451
00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:52,000
or 4 that I'm like, man, this my
8th grade history teacher.

452
00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:55,360
Like I had someone I could go to
and say something, have those

453
00:19:55,360 --> 00:19:58,440
people in your life that, you
know, stick in my mind, you

454
00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:00,480
know, 20 years later or
whatever.

455
00:20:01,360 --> 00:20:04,160
So, and one thing I want to hit
on with you talking about, you

456
00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:08,400
know, you know, teaching and.
You're not doing for the money,

457
00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:11,400
that kind of thing, because you
work other jobs too to make this

458
00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:12,960
happen or another chore.
Yeah, right.

459
00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:16,720
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Remind me you were actually

460
00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:17,800
doing this.
You're cutting grass, right?

461
00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:20,640
Yeah.
So you're, I mean, that's pretty

462
00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:21,760
busy.
You do that during the school

463
00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:22,720
year too or?
Yeah.

464
00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:25,600
So obviously there's kind of
peak season for this.

465
00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:28,920
So it's something we started
when my wife was staying home.

466
00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:32,160
My wife April, want to stay home
with when our second child was

467
00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:34,600
born, Nora.
And so it was an opportunity

468
00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:36,640
where I said, OK, well, let's
try this first season, see what

469
00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:38,440
happens.
And it's one of my favorite

470
00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:39,680
things we did.
It's one of the things I'm most

471
00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:43,680
proud of that we were able to
give her that time with our kids

472
00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:45,920
even, you know, despite whatever
financial stuff was going on,

473
00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:47,760
God's faithful provided in that
time period.

474
00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:49,840
But yeah, we started my own a
couple of yards and then it

475
00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:51,920
became kind of 15.
And then probably the peak of it

476
00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:55,400
became probably about 30.
And you do, I do that basically

477
00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:59,520
when school starts back, I'll go
teach throughout the day, kind

478
00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:00,520
of hang out with a group of
kids.

479
00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:04,080
So we have six classes a day.
I tend to loosely call the the

480
00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:07,080
after time seven period because
there's this whole kind of group

481
00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:08,760
of kids that kind of comes by
that I have a standard

482
00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:10,520
relationship with.
And we goof around and most

483
00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:12,240
times it's pretty casual.
Sometimes it's more serious.

484
00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:15,080
And then after that we leave, we
fill up the the mower in the

485
00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:17,480
truck and we go cut 3 or 4 yards
and then we go home.

486
00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:20,960
And that's kind of what the day
looks like till my perch

487
00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:26,720
available.
He is saying this because he

488
00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:31,640
knows that his daughter in this
case is Karis was part of a

489
00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:34,760
campaign of blowing up my school
e-mail one night.

490
00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:38,640
I got the next day and I had
like 14 emails and I'm like, Oh,

491
00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:41,160
no, I I said a stupid.
I must have said a stupid class.

492
00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:43,560
It was like it could happen.
I'm like, OK, but I don't I

493
00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:45,160
don't remember saying this
stupid.

494
00:21:45,360 --> 00:21:47,200
So I'm like, so I haven't looked
the emails here, but I'm like,

495
00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,480
it's like 645 more.
I'm filled with dreads.

496
00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:51,320
I'm like, I'm something's
happened.

497
00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:53,360
And also I like look at the
headline.

498
00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:56,120
It's like, it's like mowing
shirts.

499
00:21:56,120 --> 00:21:57,960
Can we please get a mowing shirt
or whatever?

500
00:21:58,120 --> 00:22:01,360
And it's like, because my
company logo company, I mean,

501
00:22:01,360 --> 00:22:05,520
it's it's me and my wife works
the phones and sets up when I

502
00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:07,760
got cut.
This, this is a pretty, pretty,

503
00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:09,600
pretty low end sort of deal
here.

504
00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:11,600
And God bless my wife from being
the brains behind this whole

505
00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:13,280
thing.
I pick stuff up, put it down and

506
00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:15,680
I ride in circles and yards and
the rest of it's up to her to

507
00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:19,120
kind of make everything work.
But the shirts have the yetis on

508
00:22:19,120 --> 00:22:20,880
it.
So it's just a Yeti pushing a

509
00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:23,640
push mower.
And I was, I was not telling the

510
00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:26,600
kids the name of the company for
a while And I was basically

511
00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:30,760
stalked by multiple classes of
kids.

512
00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:32,480
And I don't mean like multiple
8th grade classes.

513
00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:35,240
I mean there was like a group
effort between like 3 different

514
00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:38,320
grades to try to like figure out
what the name of the company was

515
00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:40,440
and look it up on Facebook and
maybe there's a Facebook review

516
00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:42,240
and like all this kind of stuff
to find out.

517
00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:44,120
And they eventually find out and
they're like, we need Yeti

518
00:22:44,120 --> 00:22:47,080
shirts and we need them like now
because the company name is.

519
00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:51,160
Sweaty Yeti.
Well, I wasn't.

520
00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,560
I'll be honest, at first I
wasn't thrilled with it but but

521
00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:55,400
I was sold on this because at
the time a friend of mine was

522
00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:57,120
helping this COVID.
We're all unfair what we're

523
00:22:57,120 --> 00:22:59,240
doing, but a friend, one of mine
was like, hey, we could just

524
00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:01,120
start cutting yards, see what
happens because we didn't really

525
00:23:01,120 --> 00:23:02,600
know what we're going to do, you
know, for working that time

526
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:04,920
period.
And so he started with me and

527
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:07,600
he's kind of more marketing
driven and kind of a Jack of all

528
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:10,200
trades kind of guy.
And he's like, listen, we can

529
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,400
come up with this name.
People will number one remember

530
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:16,240
you and #2 we get church with
Gettys on them.

531
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:17,880
And I'm like, where do I sign
up?

532
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:21,920
However, since then, in the
effort to look up my company

533
00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:26,880
company, if you loosely the kids
found that there's a guy called

534
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:30,400
the abominable MO man.
And I don't know who the

535
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,800
abominable MO man is, but I'm so
jealous at that name.

536
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:38,160
And I'm like, I only have like
nickels to my name, but I I

537
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:42,200
would pay a large sum of nickels
to take abominable MO man off of

538
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,440
you because look respect the
game.

539
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:46,520
And that name was fantastic.
The only other one I've seen

540
00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:48,680
that I really like.
There's a dude out there who I

541
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:52,240
see him around as I'm cut yards
to his law and order, which I

542
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:57,240
respect.
It's solid, but I.

543
00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:59,920
Also just love the idea in my
mind that like rival mowing

544
00:23:59,920 --> 00:24:02,360
companies like you're cutting a
line and they're cutting doing

545
00:24:02,360 --> 00:24:07,120
some.
Sweet 0 turning tricks, we go

546
00:24:07,360 --> 00:24:08,840
popping a wheelie on it.
Yeah sure.

547
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:10,240
That's that's what we're all
doing out there.

548
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:11,960
Just having just having a huge
competition.

549
00:24:12,120 --> 00:24:14,680
There's the cutting the yard
part, sure, but what this really

550
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,480
is is an ego trip.
A bunch of a bunch of meat heads

551
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:19,760
where we just try to outdo each
other with mowing tricks.

552
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:21,400
That's great.
You should go head to head.

553
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:22,560
We should have a down to earth.
Oh, there.

554
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:24,280
We go, that's awesome, that's
awesome.

555
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:31,160
No, but I, I really respect I, I
think, you know, you look out at

556
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,840
the world today and it's like
this is a whole different

557
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:38,720
tangent, but it's, you know, to
me, being a man is like you're,

558
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:39,560
you're working, you're
providing.

559
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:41,880
It's like when you need to do
things and work things, you just

560
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,160
do that kind of stuff and that,
that, that's real cool.

561
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:48,880
So you can teach and have
influence in lives, which which

562
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,880
I I really like.
I think that's you know, I know

563
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:56,200
Michelle experience that how how
many of Michelle kids anytime. 3

564
00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:58,960
now and and the trains going to
keep her open.

565
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:03,080
So I have, of my 10 years
teaching, I think I've taught a

566
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:08,200
mod for for of nine years so
far, just 10th year, I've taught

567
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,800
him out for seven of them.
And I have a brief reprieve this

568
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:14,920
year where I have no mod and
it's only to kind of get me

569
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,600
going here and get me refueled
up because I'll have another one

570
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:19,240
next year.
He left the note.

571
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,480
I think it was a because year,
but one year it said that

572
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:24,960
basically the mantra like the
Russian nesting dolls.

573
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:26,880
It's like you open one up and
there's another one, you open it

574
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:27,680
up.
There's another Oh yeah.

575
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:29,240
It's just they keep, they keep
coming.

576
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,840
It's just a conferor belt and
they're just an army of them and

577
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,400
they're all great kids.
And sincerely, I've been blessed

578
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,400
to have them in class.
They're all very different and

579
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:38,400
enjoy having all of them.
Let's.

580
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:43,600
Just do a quick ranking I'm.
Not going to be able to do that.

581
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,280
I'll talk about a bunch of
nonsense on this mic, but not

582
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:50,640
that smart.
Man, smart man.

583
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:54,840
All right.
Well, maybe we.

584
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:56,520
Close this one here.
It's great.

585
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,160
And then we launch into a second
episode.

586
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,280
So stay tuned.
Next Thursday, we'll catch the

587
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:06,520
second-half of this interview.
So I think you know what you

588
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:08,520
have to do, but do you remember
what you have to?

589
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:12,640
Do.
It's not like I don't even know

590
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:16,720
where to begin here.
I'm stuck and I know you're

591
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:18,120
going to do this to me, so thank
you.

592
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,800
So if you could feed me the lawn
and I will look at the other.

593
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,200
One on his shirt.
It's got one of the words on

594
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,120
there that.
Take take to the other case.

595
00:26:26,120 --> 00:26:30,360
So am I just supposed to take to
theology or am I supposed to?

596
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:33,600
That's our take.
I should have said something

597
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:34,480
that Oh, OK.
There we go.

598
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:35,560
OK, I got you.
OK, there we go.

599
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:37,800
All right, so you'll do it.
And that's our take.

600
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:42,200
Nice, nice.
Thanks for listening to Take 2.

601
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,520
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602
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