From Chaos to Connection | A Teacher's Story Part 2

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You're actually.
Being a true friend, this is

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perfect because I've become like
this elusive creature.

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So like this one time I show up
in your church and I'm sure

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you're like, you know,
institutions of the place you

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bring, you know, 117 of when you
show up, but like, I'm glad that

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in this particular case, I, I
show up and you're not there.

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And so like I and there's no
pictures.

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So there's no actual proof that
I was like, maybe I was maybe I

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feel like it's like the
Tasmanian tiger in Australia

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where they're like in remote
villages, there's still like an

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occasional sighting and it was
supposed to be extinct.

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I like to think that that's what
that.

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Means well, I I do want to say
thank you, Matt, for coming to

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my son's baptism.
It's an honor.

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Michael.
You're dead to me.

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You missed it.
I will tell him that every night

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before bed.
Michael didn't show up, but

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that's it.
I was kidding, but I, I should

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say this.
It was really cool.

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Jay, my oldest, Jayden, his
teacher last year was April,

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Matt's wife.
And it was, it was really, I bet

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Jayden like had like loves your
wife.

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It was really cool that she made
the trip out, that y'all made

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the trip out that that was, that
was very, very meaningful.

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Even though you know y'all go to
a Presbyterian Church, you still

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still participate.
So thank you for giving me some

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homework to do.
When I got there talking with my

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son, I was like, hey, here's
what's going on here.

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But in fairness, my wife was
obviously the one that's doing

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most of the work in this case.
She was honored to come.

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I was honored to be a part of
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Seeing, I'll be honest, seeing
you as a dad, like kind of talk

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about your son, like how your,
your vision for him, your, your

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pride in him was moving.
It's just for me as an

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emotionally repressed meathead,
like seeing you kind of listen,

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I'm like, I'm not, I'm not going
to shed 1 tear.

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I'm going to do it.
But like, but I felt it in here

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man.
And, and, and Jonathan's behind

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me.
And I think he could kind of

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like, he can sense if I, if I'm
going to crack it all.

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And I'm like, I can't, I can
show nothing, just grip A

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determination because if he sees
this, he'll never let me live it

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down.
And I and there's nothing I

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hate, I hate more then for
Jonathan White.

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Okay, that guy to have a one up.
On that guy, all right.

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So welcome back honored guest
Matt Gilbert.

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And one of your passions, I
think is communication.

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Like you, I know that if you
there's a subject that you are

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passionate about, you also like
to communicate that.

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And I know you're also
passionate about football,

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correct?
Yes.

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And I know that you like the
challenge and maybe taking more

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than one side of a coin, maybe
it's like seeing if you can

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argue.
A particular.

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Position So I I think for the
next two minutes you should

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argue Zack into being a Patriots
fan.

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Oh, all the all the things that
are good about being the

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Patriots.
It hurts me that I'm going to do

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this, but but for some reason
I'm willing to try this even

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though it disgusts me.
So just know, here's where I got

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to start with this, OK?
I am a long-suffering, self

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loathing Titans fan.
And there's there's, there's

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dozens of us out there.
I mean, dozens.

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That's just what's out there,
OK?

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And we're all cynical and we're
all super salty about it.

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So here's the deal.
Our coach, who is the one good

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thing the entire organization
had, was fired because reasons.

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And so naturally, as soon as he
was on the free agent market as

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a coach for like 5 minutes, that
giant, glorious meathead Mike

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Vrabel, who like, listen,
clearly I'm not of the athletic

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standard.
You can take a look at the Zeke.

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I'm not exactly NFL ready.
But but if that man was leading

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troops into like Kandahar or
Fallujah or somewhere, I'd be

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right behind him.
Like Mike Vrabel's my dude.

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And he's a man's man and he runs
that team now.

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And So what I think you're going
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competence.
And so here's what I understand

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as a sports fan, as a Titans
fan, I don't know who your team

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is.
I should know that, but I don't

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know.
Pittsburgh Steelers.

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OK, we'll see.
But see, this is this is going

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to be hard for me because all I
know is pain as a fan and those

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pain and then numbness and the
numbness is what you just hope

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for.
Because in the words, the Great

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American philosopher Ted laughs.
So it's the hope that kills you.

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And so you have a little bit of
hope.

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And here's the thing.
It's going to be hard to, I'll

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be honest, root for Aaron
Rodgers this year.

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That's a little.
But Patriots, you had a couple

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year lag.
They're the gold standard for a

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long period of time.
They they make something out of

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nothing all the time.
And I think good times are

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coming again.
And if you don't want to hurt,

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it seems like now is the time to
jump on the wagon here.

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And here's the thing, you can
jump on the wagon.

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I can't believe I'm selling.
I feel gross.

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I'm so dirty.
Because if you jump now, you're

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not a band.
You're not a bandwagon because

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it hadn't happened yet, but but
good times are coming back to

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Foxboro.
I hate it.

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I hate it.
But here's what I hate more

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Titans Phantom, because all I
know, all I know is they'll hurt

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me.
And so for my son, I'm like,

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listen, Simeon, I love you.
Your dad's watching Titans games

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and it doesn't have to be this
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Don't do this to yourself.
Roll far away from the tree.

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Pick a team, the Ravens,
somebody, sorry, but it but it

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can't be the Titans.
So I would say this, it's a

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chance to not be a bandwagon
fans can't go to the competent

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organization and you've got
probably the best coach in the

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league in my head right now.
Well.

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First of all things, I thought
that was well done.

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Second of all, I relate because
my dad was a Detroit Lions fan

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and it was, you know, just
Heartbreak City over and over

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and over again.
I never, I never got on the

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train.
I was like, I I can't.

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You got off the best.
When I think of the Titans, I

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think of like Eddie George,
Steve McNair, I think Eddie

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George against the Rams, like
out if he's like 3 yards away

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from that touchdown.
I was watching that Super Bowl

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and I grew up in Tennessee.
So like there's a lot of people

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and they were like relatively.
They just got there from Houston

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and that's, I think Kevin
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George's on that team, though,
and Steve McNair was the

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quarterback.
And because there's something

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wrong between the years for me,
that's like my introduction to

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football.
And I could have been like,

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let's go Rams, but I didn't.
I'm like, you know what?

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I want pain and mediocrity.
And so I just like, you know,

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let's just let's just make this
burn the maximum possible.

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And I went with that.
And so that image is forever

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burned in my brain.
But like, that group of dudes is

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why I'm a Titan soap because
something about just that was a

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a group of just tough dudes.
Our quarterback was like his

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wife.
Steven Air's wife became a nurse

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so she could mend his injuries
at home because he's hurt so bad

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most of the time throughout the
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He couldn't lift his arms above
his head, which seems bad if

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you're a professional thrower of
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Say that's not ideal for the
quarterback position.

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Eddie George was the toughest
dude around.

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Keith Bullock.
And I'm saying a bunch of ranch

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stuff, and I'm getting off
track, but man, you just opened

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up some spot in my heart that is
both joyous and full of

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unimaginable pain.
So thank you.

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And also you're killing.
Me and I do what you say this

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just in hate of the Patriots.
This the one thing that sticks

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with me and I I wish I could get
this out of my mind, but in all

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my Tom Brady, Tom Brady like
kissed his like 14 year old son

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on the mouth and I just can't.
I can't forget about it.

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It's so terrible.
It was Tom Brady's this

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interesting character.
And I forgive me, I'm going

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along now because Tom Brady's a
dude who like in the offseason

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had like a ponytail and Capri
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And every like, dude in Boston,
like every longshoreman is like,

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that's my guy.
And I don't understand that.

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Like, what do you share other
than like, he throws touchdown

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pass?
That guy eats avocado ice cream

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and he's got Capri pants on.
Like that's not he had like he's

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a different kind of.
Dude, I was watching some of the

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shows on him and there's this
guy who was playing with him and

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he wasn't even ready.
And Tom Brady like head butts

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him and he ends up like chipping
his tooth a little bit right

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before a game.
He's like, I wasn't even ready

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for it.
Like Tom Brady was like, so it's

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like the the dual nature of it
because it's like you said, it's

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like I'm well was dating and
then married to a model and I'm

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on a yacht and I've got, you
know, capris and stuff and then

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total transformation the.
Football Tom Brady, which is

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like just a but I will say this
to get redemption and maybe wrap

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this thing up.
I don't know my favorite memory,

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one of my favorite memories of
the Titans.

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There's not many that that
drawer is pretty empty.

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Your boys not experienced a lot
of elation as a fan of the

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Titans again.
However, the Titans in that I

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think first round playoff game
ended Tom Brady's time in New

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England by just smashing them
one last time on the way up the

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door.
And so that was one thing.

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We just. #22 we just couldn't
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Oh, oh, Derrick Henry, listen,
that, that refrigerator with

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shoulder pads on, it's, it's one
of the greatest things ever

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happened to us.
And I wish him the best with the

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Ravens.
He's finally gone to a competent

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organization, but seeing him
leave was was rough.

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For short man and I think that
Brady and Belichick were just

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not seeing eye to eye though
that last season and they they

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could not get on the same page.
It's weird though, because like,

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Belichick's been like, thinking
so clearly, like with his dating

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life, and it just seems like
he's like so on top.

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Of it, he seems to be totally
with it right now.

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It's it's got to be rough if
you're Belichick and part of you

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thinks like, no matter what
happens, I'm a genius, I'm going

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to take whatever this thing is
and I'm going to make a winner

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out of it.
And the minute Tom Brady's gone,

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he wins the Super Bowl in like
20 minutes with the Bucks.

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And then you're on a slowly
sinking ship very quickly.

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We're like, everybody that works
for you is like your son.

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And then you have like a guy
that's.

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And his son, the look of his son
is like hilarious.

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It's insane.
And then if you know his

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defensive coordinator before it
came back and was an offensive

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coordinator later on, and that
guy kind of looks like he was

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trying to capture olive oil.
He kind of looks like Brunus or

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whatever.
Bruno.

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Am I wrong about this?
He's always got like a pencil on

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his ear.
I'm like does the pencil work?

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Like are we on like a dry erase
board with a pencil?

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Like you know that sheets
laminate.

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Right bro?
Like that She's laminate.

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You're not writing anything.
I know this works, I'm not new.

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Yeah, that's the that's the
Lions coming to bite me again,

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because if they had never hired
him as a head coach, we would

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have never gotten him back as an
offensive coordinator.

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But he would have hired just
another son at that point in

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time or, or somebody he like who
was like just in like an

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accounting or something with the
organization.

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Because at that point in time,
he's just like, I'm tired of

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meeting new people.
I know all the guys I need to

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know.
And the answer's going to be

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somewhere down this hall.
And so that might have been the

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best you were going to get.
Yeah, I love it.

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I love it.
We got, I don't know a guy here,

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but I'm glad we made it.
It's good.

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All right, so should we for the
second time, turn to our honored

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guests and have us get out of
this banter You remember?

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I oh man, and y'all keep doing
this to me and I keep watching

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it.
Now you're great.

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Here we go.
All right, here we go.

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It's time to take it to the next
level.

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From the hearts of the Low
Country in South Carolina.

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It's the Take Two podcast where
we take theology to the next

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level.
You know we want to make

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podcasts great again all.
Right, all right, well, there

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we.
Go red shirts, not red hats.

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Today did.
You see the back?

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I've not seen the back.
I heard something about it

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'cause you're OK.
So, OK, so I heard y'all talking

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about like how this is kind of
the churched up 1.

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And this is one of the things,
and I hate saying this, I hate

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saying this.
This is one of the areas where I

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would kind of lean toward Mr.
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I'm glad I call Mr. White
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front of kids Jonathan's
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without that on the back, I
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the front.
And again, it's it hurts my soul

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to agree with that man, but here
we are.

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Yeah, I clearly agree with him
because I got it naturally

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because we were kind of joking
about Give Hate a chance.

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And there was another guy that I
played D&D with.

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He's like, yeah, let's just have
it that on there because, you

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know, you want to make merch
that people are going to buy.

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I think he has one that just
says give hate a chance.

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And he's like, no, to me it's a
conversation starter because I

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want to provoke someone asking
me a question and that I want to

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tell them about this.
So I think his hearts there is

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just approach is different.
Yeah, and it's a level of, and

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you would think from the time
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more comfortable with the snark.
But like me, I'm a little, I'm a

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little more careful this part
part of me still like we got, we

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got, you know, yeah, we're going
to fly right here.

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So speaking.
Jonathan White.

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You you met him one day?
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This.
Is the reason we're here but to

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hear about you?
And John of my of my long

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standing feud and friendship
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Sweet mercy.
OK, so let's do this.

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All right, so I was teaching for
about 3 years at the point in

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time that Mister White, Jonathan
White showed up to teach and he

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was put in the room next to me.
He never taught middle school

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before.
I think he wants to go by John.

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And I don't know what the
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Jonathan's fine.
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He's changed.
I've noticed he's changed his

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his.
I don't know this.

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Yeah, he wants to.
He wants to go by John.

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He's changed his, his tag on,
you know, like you can fill out

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what your name is that's
associated with your e-mail to

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John.
So it's like John White at

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northwoodacademy.com.
Are there any?

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Cool nicknames you have for
Jonathan I.

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Mean there's plenty of things I
mean it's usually insults

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obviously and it's usually me
calling a pretentious or

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something because he constantly
is OK like we again, we could

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not be more opposite human
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The man shows up every day and
he's, you know, he's dressed in

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this pristine ridiculous, you
know, he's in a suit every day.

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I'm like, buddy, you work with
middle schools, OK?

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Listen, it is what it is.
Like we're, we're in the bowels

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of the ship together.
You may be at the head of the

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bowels of the ship, but we're
still in the bowels of the ship,

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OK.
And so naturally, when I first

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met him, I, this is a problem in
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I'll say this.
This is a sanctification process

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I had to go through.
The person that that used to be

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in the room next to me in the
middle school hallway over here

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was Miss Gibson, who Miss Gibson
was an English teacher here for

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a long time.
She taught 7th grade English.

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I was a 7th and 8th grade
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And so she functioned like,
because I'm kind of a crazy

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person, in case we haven't
figured this out from this

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microphone from my face yet, but
I'm, I'm a little bit out there.

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And so she kind of was like the
guardrails for me going through

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the beginning of teaching.
She would like let me know like,

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Hey, definitely an important
e-mail.

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You should take a look at that
or hey, you know, whatever, like

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whatever, you know, all kinds of
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She was kind of like my, my,
she, she was like a mentor for

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me here.
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And so like, and she was my, my
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She was my 7th grade English
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So like, I worked with her for a
couple years and then all of a

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sudden she's gone.
And I hate change so bad again.

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And so all of a sudden I know
there's going to be change.

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And then the change that shows
up the first day back to school

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is there's a guy in the room
next to me and he's just got,

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you know, he's got the hipster
glasses going.

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He's got the full suit on.
I'm dressed in like the coaches,

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like 1/4 zip that looks kind of
like a trash bag that you cut

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sleeves into it.
And I'm like this guy and and

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I'm like, I I'm going to hate
him.

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I'm going to hate him and none
of them I going to hate him.

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And this is wrong.
It's wrong, but I want to.

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And so I'm like, OK, this is
this is what it is.

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I'm like, so we go the first
meetings I'm sitting with like

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at the time, I'm still coaching
football.

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So I was going to sit with those
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And then there's Mr. White.
OK, Jonathan or John or whatever

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we're doing these days.
Jay, Carl, there it is.

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There's another course, of
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Yeah, we got to go by.
But yeah, we got to get an

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initial in there because we're
we're we're artsy now.

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Sure.
Yeah, he's got a Masters, don't

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you know, But anyway, so.
All with love, All with love.

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And yes, naturally, I hate
saying this again.

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Let's clarify.
He's a friend of mine, been a

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friend of mine a long time.
So it's all friendly ribbon.

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And ultimately, at the end of
the day, for dudes, I don't know

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who said this, but it's not my
quote here.

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Insults are the language of
friendship here.

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And so I insult him very, very
aggressively here.

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But it is what it is.
And he's Irving.

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He knows he's Irving.
So I see him and I'm like, man,

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like this dude.
And so when it started to change

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kind of by accident, because I,
I automatically assume all the

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worse, whatever, I don't know
about my fill in the details.

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I'm like this guy, look at that
jacket.

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That's a prosperity gospel guy.
If I ever saw it, I'm like, I'm

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not going to like.
And then all of a sudden they're

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like, Hey, he's a middle school
teacher.

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You're a middle school teacher.
We have they think these like

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kind of small group things at
the time they're called storm

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now that they call impact
groups.

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from all throughout the campus.

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And the idea is get them all
together and have like a small

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group thing instead of a regular
Chapel settings.

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It's more intimate.
You can talk and really get an

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old group of kids.
And because he's a new teacher,

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they put him in there with me.
And so I show up that time I'm

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like, I'm coming in hot on this
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Like it's about like suffering
and something like that.

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And like, I expected him to want
some flowery nonsense back

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there.
He's like sitting in the back

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and he's just kind of watching,
figuring everything out.

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And so I come in top rope like
pretty aggressively, you know,

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like, Hey, some kind of God
will, you know, things to happen

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to you and that's for your good
and trying to get this point

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across the kids.
And I've got a video to kind of

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go with it and it feels it's
heavy and it's in a way that I

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thought most people were going
to be pretty upset about it.

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And so I, I keep looking back at
him.

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I'm like, I know, I know he's
going to, he's going to lecture

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me when I get done because he
looks like a guy that would

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lecture you.
He definitely does.

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OK, So we go through and we get
done and he kind of walks up and

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he was like complimentary.
And I'm like, and I'm, you know,

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and my, my heart, I'm a little
upset.

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So I'm like, I don't know if I'm
going to hate him because he's

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with me now.
He's with me.

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He's he's he's in the the canoe
with me.

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We're rowing in the same
direction theologically.

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And then he had a message at
Chapel early on.

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And I'm like, so he gets up
there and he does thing and it's

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an, it's an aggressive, you
know, a message again on the

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topic of suffering and he
doesn't from the Chapel.

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And it was, it was pointed.
It was, it was difficult to kind

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of get in front of that group of
kids and, you know, and, and so

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I was like, all right, I guess I
do have to like this guy.

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And I keep begrudgingly giving a
little bit more respect.

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And then what kind of had to
break.

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It was the ultimate proving
ground for a middle school

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teacher, the overnight field
trip.

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And so we're on a 7th grade
field trip.

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I show up and I'm getting on the
bus and I'm sitting there in the

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front and I'm like, let's see,
let's you know, I'm, I'm pulling

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that book here.
I'm reading, I'm reading some CS

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Lewis, I think it was till we
all have faces like, you know,

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one of the CSL books.
And I'm kind of going through

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and starting that off and I'm
like, let's see what happens

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here.
And so he starts chiming in on

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CS Lewis.
And I'm like, if you like CS

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Lewis, I, the war's over.
The war's over.

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I have to like, I, I don't have
to love all that's going on

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there.
But I think we're, I think we're

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friends here.
And I think I got to call it

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Detente and we got to move
forward.

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CS Lewis, if you go to see us,
there's a couple people.

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CS Lewis is 1.
And I don't know how you're

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going to feel it.
Tim Keller for me as a guy that

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wants to think through Christian
a good deal, was a guy that just

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naturally just produced all
these sort of resource stuff.

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So if you're in on either one of
those, those guys, there's a

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level of respect that I have to
go with.

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And he's been, in fairness, he's
been a huge resource to him as a

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teacher, as a friend, you know,
when things going on, he's a

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sounding board for me as as
somebody I work next to and

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somebody's now principal here
where we can kind of go through

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and I go, hey, like I was going
to talk about this topic because

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I teach Bible now in this way.
Like, what do you think?

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Or he said, well, that's great.
Or he'd say, hey, why don't you

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look at it this way?
And so he's been a big resource

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for me as a teacher and quite
frankly, in a job like this.

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And forgive me if I talk too
long here.

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Guys, no, you're good.
It can be a lonely business.

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And you think that sounds
ridiculous because you're in

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front of people all day.
And like for some of us, like I

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don't have a traditional
planning period throughout the

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day.
So it's just this army of

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children that comes through
every of different ages that

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comes through me about 20 at a
time every 50 minutes.

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And and you're, you're, you
know, you see everybody in the

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morning before you start, you
say hi and then you kind of go

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down the salt lines and you work
all day and then you emerge at

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the end and you really don't
know how you did because it's

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not a group of people who are
going to be naturally responsive

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to what you're saying all the
time.

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And that's partially
developmental.

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It's partially just where their
heads are.

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As you get in the older groups,
sometimes it's like, Hey, I have

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these sins in my life and if I
adopt some of the things you're

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talking about, that has
ramifications for how I live.

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And I don't want to do that yet.
And so I have to understand

442
00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:46,160
where they're coming from.
But that doesn't give you the,

443
00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:47,680
the, the feedback you always
want.

444
00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:50,880
So for Mr., for Jonathan and
others, it's it's good to have

445
00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:52,160
those people around to kind of
help you out in.

446
00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:55,640
The circumstance no, I, I love
that so much because it, it,

447
00:19:55,800 --> 00:20:00,200
it's such a travesty if you only
hang around people that like

448
00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:02,640
totally echo everything you say
to you say personality.

449
00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:05,160
It's like man.
That that that's really cool to

450
00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:08,320
see that that connection how you
guys balance like you guys feel

451
00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:10,640
very strongly about the things
that matter and then, you know,

452
00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:12,800
can have that good back and
forth and yeah, like you're

453
00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:14,280
saying, sanctification for each
other.

454
00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:17,080
I'm sure I can't wait when I
can't wait for his job and White

455
00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:19,720
back on the podcast and.
Get a rebuttal, it'll be great

456
00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:24,280
Fairness to him.
This is a complete and shameless

457
00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:27,400
blind side and I don't apologize
for it.

458
00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:29,560
I'm here to feel it.
You know, You put the mic in

459
00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:30,920
front of my face, this is what
you get.

460
00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:33,560
And so here we are.
But in fairness, he has been a

461
00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:35,400
good friend and he's been
helpful in this business and so

462
00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:37,720
definitely appreciate it.
Now that that that, that's

463
00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:39,040
great.
You got any comments on this

464
00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:40,880
specifically?
Yeah, I was just going to say

465
00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:44,800
about the fashion I had this,
this green.

466
00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:49,240
I even forgot what it's called,
you know, little Irish wool

467
00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:49,920
kind.
You.

468
00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:52,200
Know thing that kind of bends
down that I wore a couple times

469
00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:56,440
and you know I wore it one time
specifically because I wanted

470
00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:58,600
the green there and I was like
yeah I don't think it really

471
00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:00,600
goes with this outfit as well
so.

472
00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:02,800
There's like the kind of fluffy
hat with the bill on it, like

473
00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:05,080
kind of the bagger fan special
sort of deal.

474
00:21:05,120 --> 00:21:06,200
Yeah, yeah.
It's called flat cap.

475
00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:07,680
OK, there we go.
Like you're selling like

476
00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:10,520
newspapers.
Like a news like you're like,

477
00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:12,480
you're like 9 years old.
You're smoking cigarettes

478
00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:15,200
outside of New York City.
Yeah, and I realized, like with

479
00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:18,680
my outfit, it's not the best
jive, but, you know, I wore it

480
00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:20,160
for a particular reason that
evening.

481
00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:23,600
And he was like, yeah, what you
need to get is a tweet, need a

482
00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:27,840
short coat with the elbow
patches, have it all be like

483
00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:31,320
natural grain colors and stuff.
And he's like, he was, he's

484
00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:32,880
talking me up.
And I was like, yeah, I can see

485
00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:34,320
how that would go.
Yeah, I haven't bought it yet,

486
00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:36,520
but I've.
Gotten in his head now.

487
00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:38,800
So like sometimes he'll come by
and he'll say, you know, like,

488
00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:41,520
because he's, he's, he's
education through and through.

489
00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:43,000
He loves it, he lives it.
That's one.

490
00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:45,320
And he'll come out, you know,
and he'll start using terms or

491
00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:47,880
whatever and, and he'll start
talking about, you know, in

492
00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:49,600
literature and
transcendentalism.

493
00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:51,080
And I just like him on what are
we doing?

494
00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:53,600
What are we doing right now?
Like like he called down a

495
00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:56,640
little bit, but so he he talks
about that sort of stuff the way

496
00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:58,400
I would talk about sports.
And so I know what you're

497
00:21:58,400 --> 00:21:59,680
talking about.
Usually that point in time where

498
00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:01,720
I kind of look at him and he
understands what I'm saying

499
00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:04,000
here, which is like, bro, come
on.

500
00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:08,120
That, that, that's so good.
And do you have anything else on

501
00:22:08,120 --> 00:22:09,760
this specifically I don't want?
To move on too fast, I was.

502
00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:13,000
Going to say this, this is I, I
like all these thoughts like so

503
00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:15,600
the different pieces complement
each other so well.

504
00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:18,640
You mentioned, you know, Tim
Keller a minute ago before we

505
00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:21,720
went on air, we were talking
about baptism and you know, Tim

506
00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:23,800
Keller, Presbyterian, you go to
Presbyterian Church.

507
00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,880
It's like I and I, I know from
my own life, I feel like in a

508
00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:30,280
lot of ways I probably have
benefited from Presbyterian

509
00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:33,360
authors a lot more than, you
know, your Southern Baptist

510
00:22:33,360 --> 00:22:36,280
hyper dispensational.
Careful admitting that on these

511
00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:38,160
mics.
So it's like, I, I like, you

512
00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:40,320
know, so it's like Tim Keller's
great, Kevin Deyoung, you got

513
00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:41,440
these people.
It's like, man, they're just so

514
00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:43,400
clear.
They write so well.

515
00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:45,360
The young as Presbyterian?
What was that?

516
00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:47,320
Deyoung as Presbyterian.
I think so.

517
00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:48,600
I did not know that.
I didn't know that.

518
00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:53,040
No, he, his church was actually,
I think it used to be PCUSA and

519
00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:56,080
he recently brought them to the
PCA one and maybe it needs to

520
00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:57,680
rethink the PCA now with
everything going on there.

521
00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,240
I don't know, maybe it needs to
go OPCI don't know, but it's

522
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,120
some.
Guy R something.

523
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:07,200
RC Sprill Yeah, some ran weird
guy, yeah, but it's like, I feel

524
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:09,600
like all of the really well
thought out books are written by

525
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:11,280
a Presbyterian and then all the
like.

526
00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:14,800
Not bad books, but they're not
quite as they're maybe a lot

527
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:16,520
more superficial or on the
backside.

528
00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,920
It's a little it's a little less
linear and quite fairness.

529
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:21,720
It's a little less pedantic at
times.

530
00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:25,040
There's a there's a stuffiness
love the Presbyterian

531
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,080
environment, but it could be a
little little stuffy at times.

532
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,080
But certainly it's produced some
good people who've influenced my

533
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,280
life from the local level with
our with my pastor Nathan

534
00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:36,200
Francis to, you know, big
figures like Tim Keller,

535
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,360
Sinclair Ferguson, people like
that have impacted my life.

536
00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:41,960
And you know, like we were from
it's off air earlier.

537
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:47,000
Like, I don't know, like this
comes down to an issue for me of

538
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:50,400
like theologically what only
matters because I, I did not

539
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:51,680
grow up in a Presbyterian
environment.

540
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,600
I grew up going to church here.
Honestly, theologically I

541
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:58,880
probably am more Reformed
Baptist, which I think maybe

542
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:02,080
y'all don't admit it, but I
think that's what we are.

543
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:04,840
So we're.
If we were trying to brush in

544
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:09,960
broad strokes, we'd be Reformed
Baptist, maybe with some

545
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,240
asterisks.
Because the Reform people will

546
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,200
come at you and say, you got to
be Calvinistic, creedal and

547
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:16,680
confessional.
And we'd be like, well, we're

548
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:17,920
not confessional.
I know we're not.

549
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,680
We're not saying the 1689 is our
letter because I've said this

550
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:22,400
before.
And those Reformed people come

551
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,000
at you hard and they're like,
don't you say you're Reformed?

552
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:27,160
You know what I mean?
Typically our our senior pastor

553
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,280
might say we're reformed in our
soteriology.

554
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:34,280
We are as a church
dispensational, but we're not

555
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:38,520
like that hard line
dispensational craziness that

556
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:43,760
first came out.
In fact, my pastor and I, I

557
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:46,800
mean, I guess in one sense all
we're both pastors because we're

558
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,800
both elders there, but our
senior pastor and I are both

559
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,320
what we would term progressive
dispensationalist.

560
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:55,080
So it's like it's close to being
covenant theology that that you

561
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:58,360
can be.
But Israel still has a role and

562
00:24:58,360 --> 00:25:00,720
there will be a, a literal
millennial reign.

563
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:04,800
But other than that, it's like a
lot of the you might get there

564
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,960
different ways, but where you
end up is very similar to what

565
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,840
some covenant theologians might
might believe.

566
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,240
And haven't been in different
settings like there's so much

567
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,720
overlap between the two.
And so like the thing that we

568
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,320
kind of discussed for a little
bit here was like, what are the

569
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,080
lines?
What are kind of the things that

570
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,640
are non negotiable as
Christians?

571
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:26,360
And then what are those things
are kind of second tier close?

572
00:25:26,360 --> 00:25:32,040
Communion non negotiable.
We would probably disagree on

573
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:35,200
that.
But I was, I'll just say I was

574
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:39,480
raised close communion and I
heard the man, the people at

575
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,280
that church growing up, they
believed it with all their

576
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:45,800
hearts.
And I'm not there today because

577
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:48,760
I'm like, I think Paul probably
took communion with the churches

578
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,240
he planted, and he wasn't a
member of that local body.

579
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:53,360
That seems like a pretty good
argument.

580
00:25:53,360 --> 00:25:56,160
That's a guy that kind of has
some sway in this community.

581
00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,840
I think that's like this is such
a good topic to think through

582
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:02,640
because I think previously you
said in the on one level, in the

583
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,200
context of your students coming
from all walks of life, like

584
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,200
what is essential, there's so
much, you know, there's a

585
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,680
billion different denominations
within the denomination, there's

586
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:14,400
different, you know, whatever.
And then even on this level, you

587
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,600
know, how does that flesh out
practically, You know, how does

588
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:19,840
that I would really maybe for
different podcasts, like what I

589
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:20,760
hear.
Yeah.

590
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:22,880
What's your life like at a
Presbyterian Church?

591
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,560
Because and at the same time,
there are things about Charles

592
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:27,280
the Bible church are not my
favorite.

593
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,360
I'm not like 100%, even though I
would say very, very closely

594
00:26:30,360 --> 00:26:31,600
aligned.
But let's talk.

595
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:32,800
About those later and we'll
we'll.

596
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:37,960
Very different things, yeah.
So I think those are really good

597
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:41,320
questions that have practical
implications on all sorts of

598
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:43,880
different levels, but it's, you
know.

599
00:26:44,120 --> 00:26:46,720
In a school setting, it's, it's
very different because it,

600
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,880
you're not holding people to the
same confession of faith that

601
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:54,600
you would and in your church.
And so trying to find out and,

602
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:58,720
and draw clear lines of like we
stand for this and we're very

603
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:02,520
clear about certain lines and
then other lines that are lower

604
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:05,520
tier, you know, really kind of
tier 3 kind of tertiary issues,

605
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,280
old earth, young earth, those
type of things, which I think

606
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:10,960
clearly, I think we've all
agreed kind of a tertiary story

607
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:12,720
issue.
Like we can disagree on that,

608
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,840
but in in drawing as few
hardcore lines as we can while

609
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,320
also being fable to the message
of the gospel in a setting where

610
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:20,080
we know people are coming from
all sorts of backgrounds.

611
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,680
And even amongst the Christians,
there's going to be a lot of

612
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:24,640
different opinions.
So in a classroom setting,

613
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:26,280
particularly as I'm teaching
seniors, since they're really

614
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:28,600
starting to, some of them are
really taking ownership for this

615
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:30,880
for the first time.
Like clearly stating what I

616
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:34,800
believe stating what is non
negotiable, what's not is very

617
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:38,160
important if that makes sense.
That that makes a lot of sense

618
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,280
that that sounds really good.
What you got, Michael?

619
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:44,240
What you thinking?
Nothing, I would just echo what

620
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,440
he was saying.
I think the only time that

621
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,440
because most of the questions
that you get asked, at least

622
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,520
that I experienced were some
because I would occasionally

623
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,600
have what we would call a
question Friday where you know

624
00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:00,000
what, maybe we don't do trig
today because y'all don't care

625
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,960
about trig as seniors anyways,
because this is not the this is

626
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:04,960
not the honors class.
So y'all are not going to go

627
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,160
major in something that requires
math.

628
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:10,320
So I could, I could see the bit
like I want you to learn the

629
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,240
skills of trig, but I can see
there's a bigger picture.

630
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,800
So we would just take a break
sometime and just talk and you'd

631
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,360
get some random stuff like do
ghosts exist and stuff.

632
00:28:19,360 --> 00:28:24,840
So they're not asking about pedo
baptism and and creedal baptism

633
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:26,680
or anything like that.
Not usually, no.

634
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:30,200
Usually the questions are like
you know about like the the

635
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,520
truthfulness of the Gods word or
the.

636
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:34,960
Thing, what have you got?
Like just a oddly hyper

637
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:38,520
specific, like explained to me,
super lapsarianism versus super

638
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,160
lapsarianism.
Like something like crazy.

639
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:41,080
Like then you're like, what?
How?

640
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:42,200
What are you talking about?
No.

641
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,040
Oh.
Geez, that's a great question.

642
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,080
You get you get ones and this is
an episode.

643
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,320
I know you all have covered
before and I believe you would

644
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,520
have a shirt about this if I'm
correct, but I'll occasionally

645
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,000
like a kid will just come off
the top rope with like a hey

646
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,200
nepheline big fella, let's do
this.

647
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,400
And and then I've learned this
from the previous podcast, like

648
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:01,560
maybe I'm not pronouncing it
right 'cause this one of those

649
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:03,320
words, like I always felt like I
was good on it.

650
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:05,120
And then y'all were like, you
know, trying to.

651
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:06,560
Just I think it is nepheline,
right?

652
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:08,760
I think I think it is.
It's a word that you see all the

653
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:10,880
time, but it's not like I'm
going to hear that at Publix

654
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,400
when I'm buying rutabagas.
So there's no way for me to

655
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,520
like, no, it's just a word you
see.

656
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:17,480
And so you say it, and then
you're like, maybe I got that

657
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:19,480
right, maybe I didn't.
Yeah, I think we probably

658
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,040
butchered it like the first
episode we talked about like on

659
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:22,920
it too.
It's just so funny.

660
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,560
But if we all butcher it
together and we do it

661
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:29,160
confidently, we're good to go.
Yeah, I had one student at one

662
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:33,080
time ask me, you know, what do
you think about where I'm at

663
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:34,240
spiritually, blah, blah, blah,
blah.

664
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,520
And I'm like, you want, you want
the unvarnished truth?

665
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:37,880
And I was like, he was like,
yeah.

666
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:39,560
And I, like, laid it out for
him.

667
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,560
And I was like, I think, you
know, And then another guy heard

668
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:43,520
that.
He's like, you tell me.

669
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,680
And I'm like, well, you know,
and I was like, my guess is

670
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:48,120
you're struggling with porn
right now.

671
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:49,600
And I gave him.
All these recent.

672
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:53,440
And he was like, you know,
you're, you're not wrong on

673
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,440
that.
So you can have some very

674
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,800
serious conversations about
about stuff.

675
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:02,240
And those were like, sometimes I
felt like, can I have this

676
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,560
conversation with you?
Can I be just no varnish What I

677
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:07,600
think you're what's going on in
your life right now?

678
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,880
And but I think that those guys
respected me because we had that

679
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:11,840
conversation.
Yeah.

680
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:16,120
And like, it's they to some
extent, they want to see a level

681
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,440
of courage from you to be
willing to say like, hey, I'm

682
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,400
going to tell you the truth on
any number of different issues.

683
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,880
And the fact that you're willing
to like have deep conversation

684
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,400
about big issues.
There's a balance because it's

685
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,920
like, I don't want to speak
about a student with limited

686
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,280
information if I'm not pretty
certain about what I'm saying.

687
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,760
But if you're asking me, here's
where I think your heart is.

688
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:38,920
Here's where I think whatever's
going on in your life, here's

689
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,440
what concerns me.
And that's, you know, one of

690
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,040
those things that like we're
always looking for, we're

691
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:44,960
looking for those opportunities.
And if a student lays in front

692
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:48,080
of you, it's got a fair game.
But it's also the atmosphere of

693
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:49,440
like, am I doing it in a public
setting?

694
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,120
Am I having in a private
setting?

695
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,640
Yeah, we can do that in front of
in front of the whole class.

696
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:57,720
But in like, honestly, you know,
certain ones are definitely

697
00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:59,600
going to be in private, but
there are other ones that like

698
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:01,120
on a theological issue or
something like that, it's like,

699
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:02,680
OK, this is brought up in
public.

700
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,840
This is the class setting.
I think it's a big thing.

701
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:07,800
And one of the things that I've
really tried to model,

702
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,960
especially with the seniors now
is try to tell them like, hey, I

703
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,560
want you're going to have to
comport yourself in a Christian

704
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,680
manner as we disagree.
And so I have to remodel that.

705
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:18,360
So like one of the things we've
done, and this is kind of on the

706
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:21,280
side tangent here is I do
current events where like I have

707
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,480
them bring in a topic they want
to talk about and write out a

708
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:25,640
article.
You know, what happened,

709
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:27,680
basically who wrote it?
You know, what's the source kind

710
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,360
of, and I'll analyze the source
a little bit, but more so the

711
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:32,600
big thing is like, OK, how do I
fit this into a Christian

712
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:33,720
worldview?
What should a Christian think

713
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:34,600
about this?
And they have, you know, a

714
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,640
couple sentences for five
sentences on that paragraph.

715
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:41,880
And so then talk about it and it
brings up lots of things and

716
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:45,640
occasionally it brings up
disagreements with me over

717
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,080
political issues, over social
issues, whatever it is.

718
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:51,840
And so one of the things that is
challenging is, and the kids are

719
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,640
almost always very respectful.
But even if it if it starts to

720
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,640
elevate or if they talk to each
other in a certain type of way,

721
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,840
like I want to model like, hey,
we don't get to stop being

722
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:02,560
Christian because we disagree
with someone on a political

723
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,160
issue.
And we have to comport ourselves

724
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,200
differently regardless of how
the world treats us.

725
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,200
And certainly in a room where
theoretically we're talking

726
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:14,320
amongst Christians and friends,
we need to disagree better.

727
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:15,880
And so trying to teach kids to
do that.

728
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:19,000
And they're usually good at it,
but occasionally like it's the

729
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,560
world, they grow up and it's
snarky 1 liners online.

730
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,920
It's, it's things like that.
It's it's pretty glib insults,

731
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:26,440
which are always part of being a
teenager.

732
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,040
But it, I think when it's on
your phone and it's in your

733
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,720
pocket, it never leaves you in a
way that we could kind of leave

734
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:33,640
it alone for a little while.
And so I think it hits

735
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,080
different.
Yeah, that that's great because

736
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,800
we can't disagree, but it's like
you always just want to dunk on

737
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,520
someone with this like one
liner, like got them, you know,

738
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,880
it's like more about that than
discourse.

739
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,440
It helps.
No one, no, because like that

740
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,200
instantly is going to make the
person defensive.

741
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,200
And so like what I like big
questions I want to use in

742
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,160
different environments and I
don't always get to it.

743
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,840
I'm certainly not perfect asking
who's been in my class.

744
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,320
You got a whole crew in your
house that's been in my class is

745
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,160
I want to ask you questions
like, OK, what do you think?

746
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,240
I mean when I say this and that
like it puts them in my

747
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:09,040
situation or ask them to define
a term for me, that kind of

748
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,200
thing.
Just because those kind of open

749
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,800
up conversation in a different
type of way and hopefully create

750
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:15,760
some level of empathy, some
level of understanding for the

751
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,680
other side because that's I
alone am not wise and neither

752
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:20,200
are you.
So let's like see where the

753
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:21,920
other person come from.
We can still disagree.

754
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:26,520
That's perfectly fine and good
and healthy at times, but

755
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:30,320
ultimately we have to disagree
as Christians first and foremost

756
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:31,640
with that.
Does that make?

757
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:32,960
Sense.
It's great.

758
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:34,200
It's great.
I love it.

759
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:36,840
Where, where are we at on on our
timing here?

760
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,520
Well, overall, it's just hard to
know because we're borrowing,

761
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:42,280
but the counter is says 38.
How?

762
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:44,600
Sweet, this is good.
I think it's like prime's the

763
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,560
pump really well.
I would next one of these

764
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:51,160
podcasts is going to get crowded
in here, but we got to get Jay

765
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,440
Carl.
Honestly, where the Jay Carl.

766
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:54,920
I want to see you dressed to the
Niners.

767
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,160
I want you in the tweed you show
up to your.

768
00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:00,000
Uniform And one last thing
before I I'm sorry, I got to say

769
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,080
this.
We did one day at school.

770
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,720
The kids asked us to do it one
day and they said look, can you?

771
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:06,920
Can you dress as each?
Other.

772
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,880
And so like, here's the part
that's sad about this part.

773
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,920
So he texted me that morning.
He's like, hey, I need to know

774
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,320
you're still doing this because
he was going to get there for

775
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:17,239
me.
He's like, I need to know I'm

776
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:19,080
not being left on an aisle with
no explainer.

777
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:23,199
And the amazing thing is when I
showed up, I usually I'm pretty

778
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,600
like I'm about as Loki's.
They get in the tire, as you can

779
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,840
see from this moment here.
But like, he usually shows up

780
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:30,520
how to dress at every level in
the hair and whatnot.

781
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,040
He's like, OK, what's the
quintessential Gilbert look?

782
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,400
And I'm like, OK, so we gave
like a football coaches shirt

783
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:39,280
and gym shorts, which is quite a
thing if you're not, you know,

784
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,320
'cause you used to Jonathan
being dressed rigidly and

785
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,639
starchy.
So seeing him dressed in like my

786
00:34:45,639 --> 00:34:49,000
attire and not doing his hair,
just kind of leaving it down.

787
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,000
And here's the thing.
He got there first and he's in

788
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,280
there like getting coffee and
making copies or doing whatever

789
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,280
he does before he teaches the
class, whatever.

790
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,160
And so he's in there and like
nobody wanted to ask him about

791
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,240
it because I think it's like
near the end of the year and

792
00:35:00,240 --> 00:35:01,720
we're having like AC trouble
that day.

793
00:35:01,720 --> 00:35:05,400
They're like just gave up.
I think they're like, he just

794
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,400
gave up.
He just thought even he broke.

795
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,200
And so nobody said anything till
they saw me show up.

796
00:35:10,240 --> 00:35:13,360
And like the expectations I said
were apparently so low because

797
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,480
they see me show up and I'm
dressed like him.

798
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,480
I've got on the long sleeve
shirt, I got on the hipster

799
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:19,200
glasses.
You know, I'm doing whatever

800
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,080
here.
I've got like a coffee mug just

801
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:24,000
trying to get what if I was
unfathomably pretentious?

802
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,440
What would I what would I do?
And so I'm like, here we are.

803
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:29,400
And so I, you know, I showed
that day and then at that point

804
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,240
in time, it made sense.
And I think he felt more

805
00:35:31,240 --> 00:35:34,320
comfortable, but it I was
physically hurt that day.

806
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,080
And I think he was emotionally
hurt because he felt vulnerable.

807
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,560
There was like, I don't usually
dress like this, like, bro, what

808
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:40,600
do you think?
I do it over here.

809
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:41,920
Or Bear.
Yeah, it's great.

810
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,760
That's so funny.
Do you have a picture of that?

811
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:46,000
I would love to see that dress
as.

812
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,720
I will need to try to find that
and my phone will look at the

813
00:35:48,720 --> 00:35:50,120
picture that yeah.
We'll put it up.

814
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:52,960
Love it.
Now the real question is, do you

815
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:54,480
remember what to say to close
this out?

816
00:35:55,440 --> 00:36:00,560
See, I keep getting walked to
this ledge every time, and you

817
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:02,680
know I'm going to fall off the
edge every single time.

818
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:04,280
So I keep getting walked,
walked, walked, walked.

819
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:06,160
And then you just kind of give
it that last push of the edge.

820
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,520
And that's what this feels like
here, I think.

821
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,200
I think, and I'm going to get
this wrong and I'm going to do

822
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:12,760
it confidently.
That's going to make it worse.

823
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,960
And that's our take.
Thanks for listening to Take

824
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,160
Two.
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825
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,680
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826
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:22,360
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