Is James 2:18–19 Mistranslated?

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Well, our our episode today is
going to be heavily dependent on

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context.
Context determines a lot of

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things when it comes to
translation and that kind of

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thing.
So context for you, what would

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you think?
Maybe you saw this.

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I saw this.
It caused some division to

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people.
There was a post Vodi Bakkam

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recently passed away.
Vodi Bakkam, Bakkam the man.

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He's got a book.
I didn't agree with him on

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everything, but I really he's
got really good.

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You don't.
Agree with him on everything you

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you got to you just got to
distance yourself from him.

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If he's wrong on one thing, you
got to have that, you know what

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is it called Holy separation or
that's.

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Right.
He had a way with words, the way

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he could, like, deliver words.
They like packed a punch, you

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know what I'm saying?
The bike Tyson.

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The Like a bike, Tyson.
That's right.

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He had a couple of the books
that I had read by Bodhi Bakkam

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1 is he's got a couple on like
family worship.

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He's like a huge advocate for.
I might be overstating it, but

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he's like, hey, if you don't
homeschool, you hate your kids.

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Like he's like really big into
like if you give your kid to

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Caesar, don't be surprised when.
They come out Roman.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I.

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Saw that quote.
And so he's big on that.

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So he's big on homeschooling,
he's big on family worship.

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He's big on multi, like in the
worship service, you have a

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baby, everyone's in there.
We're not having children's

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church.
So like he's big on that family

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worship context, which I really
can appreciate.

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So he's got really good
materials on family worship men

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taking leadership on that, which
I'd really appreciate.

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And even if I was like, I don't
land everywhere, you do.

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It's like really good stuff for
just leading well as a man in

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the context of your family and
your church.

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And that's why his church falls
out certain places.

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But oh man, so.
He's gonna have a bad quote.

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Is that what?
I mean, no, no, no, no, when he

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died, someone quotes, someone
said, Oh, I'm going to I'm, I

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should have looked up the quote
before I, I did it.

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But it was like, oh, how the
mighty have fallen.

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And a lot of people were like,
whoa.

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And so that was the first thing.
Second thing was John Piper did

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this quote.
People like filled up, you know,

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his ex Twitter, whatever.
Like, oh, you know, you're not

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being kind.
Like you're, you're like, 'cause

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when you hear that, you might
take that as like a sarcastic

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comment in our culture.
Oh, oh, how the mighty have

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fallen.
Yeah, I I might be butchering

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it.
I might be giving.

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The the the heart of the fall
type of thing.

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But what John Piper was doing,
he was quoting David's lament of

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Jonathan, how the mighty have
fallen.

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And it's like, so that's where
we get it.

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It's like context is so
important 'cause you can say

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mighty fallen, you can be like,
oh, you're being direct.

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You're you're kind of like
saying, oh, you thought you were

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big stuff and you but it it's
really the origin of that quote

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is I love that he fell mighty
guy.

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So you could be like proverbs,
like pride goes before a fall.

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You had a big head and you were
prideful, puffed up, and now

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you've fallen up just observing
that.

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Or you could be like, genuine,
like, hey, this was a mighty guy

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and he was used well for the
Kingdom.

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And I'm lamenting his fall.
Yeah.

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So in Second Samuel 1, it says
David lamented, oversaw and

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Jonathan his son.
And it says your glory of Israel

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is slain on your high places,
how the mighty have fallen.

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And it goes on to, you know,
Jonathan, beloved, lovely in

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life, all these like nice things
about Jonathan.

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But people read that and they
didn't know it was a Bible

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quote.
And everyone's like, man, John

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Piper in his old age, just like
coming down hall.

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Like they're like, oh, he just I
thought he got a long voting

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back.
And I guess they had

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differences.
And he was like, no, I'm

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lamenting like David did for
this person.

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He loved Jonathan, you know, not
it was like the opposite

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meeting.
It's so funny.

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But context is important.
Context is important.

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Yeah.
Yeah, I it's reminding me.

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You talking about being old off
your rocker?

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Sorry, grandpa in heaven, but he
preached like this anniversary

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sermon one time and he was
probably it was past the time

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for him to have him up and he
was talking.

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It was just like a 30-40 minute
ramble of like old memories and

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like he was he two or three
times he talked about this whip

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they used to get four of these
mules had like these balls on

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the end of it that they would.
I'm like, what are we doing?

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What are we doing?
That's great that that's the

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best.
I had like some like that at

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this high school I went to that
was just a little bit past.

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And it's like, what's he going
to say today?

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And then when I went to college,
the chancellor was past his

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prime and we're like, I wonder
if something racist is coming

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out of his mouth today or not
Has.

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He did he did he say racist
stuff?

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He he said like, hey, I was
walking through the dining room

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like he was like trying to be
nice, I think.

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And he was like, I made sure.
And I said, hey, to the yellow

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table.
He's talking about like Asian

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people.
And people are like, oh, this is

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like 2010.
You can't.

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You can't call it the yellow.
Table that's.

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Racist and there's a high Asian
population at Bob Jones where

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yeah, it was.
Did not go over well.

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There's this podcast.
Racist jokes may be making a

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comeback.
Oh, I think so.

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I think, I think the pendulum
has swung where people can

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appreciate it.
And no, it's like it's and I

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don't.
Know this guy?

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He's Korean or something.
Do you know who I'm talking

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about?
Probably Johnny or something.

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Yeah.
Yeah, I know who you're talking

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about.
Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, and he's something, he
said.

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Something like why do people
always call me yellow on the guy

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next 'cause you are yellow.
Yeah, it is good to see comedy.

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I feel like it's, you know, we
can live.

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He's, he's a guy that was like,
well, you know, over in Asia, we

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never had slavery.
And they're like, what are you

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talking about?
He's like, he's like.

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Oh.
Yeah.

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Did I miss something?
He's like, what country are you

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from?
He's like Korea, and they like,

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look up.
And I was like, Korea was like

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probably the earliest culture to
have slavery or something like

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that.
Was reading through like

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thousands of years of slavery.
He's like how did I miss this?

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Yeah, humanity, you know, we're
all the same on some level, you

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know, it's.
You know, made in the image of

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God, and we are all marred.
That that, that we are all

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marred.
That is good.

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Well, podcast episode today, a
little off the beaten path.

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This might be your cup of tea.
This might not be your cup of

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tea.
I didn't know this was my cup of

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tea until.
You tasted.

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It I, I took a drink, a big old
sip, and I said, man, this

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tastes pretty good.
This is this is my cup.

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Is this Earl Grey tea?
This I like.

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I do like Earl Grey.
Tea.

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I love Earl Grey tea.
Yeah, nothing like.

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Do you pour a little milk in
there?

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I I I would I like that better
but I don't because I try to be

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like.
No dairy.

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I try cut out car.
I mean, I try to like drink

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coffee like if, if I'm like.
So you don't want any calories

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in your beverages, is that?
What, you're trying, Yeah.

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Cause 'cause most of the time
I'll drink it like in the

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morning and I'm trying to
intermet fest or intermet fest.

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I my parents love Diet Coke,
right?

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I know we're all over on this
banter, but we drink, you know,

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bubblies like the flavored soda
water.

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And I tried a Diet Coke the
other day and I was like, this

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tastes great.
And I don't know if like my

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taste buds got have gotten used
to like the the, you know, so

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far from, you know, the sugar.
Overwhelming I.

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Was like and I'm scared now
because I've had like 3 diet

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cokes I'm like no that's why it
starts man don't drink diet

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cokes but they taste really good
to me and when they never tasted

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good to me in the in the past.
I can't wait.

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Like turning into my mother.
I see you like sneaking a Diet

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Coke in the car.
You like I got you like get out

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of the church service to get a.
Car my mom drank diet cokes all

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the time.
I was like mom those cause

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cancer stop drinking them and
then now I'm like I've drank 3

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and I feel like my.
Parents used to drink so much.

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It was like, I did not drink
coffee or anything.

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It was like first thing in the
morning, crack the can like of

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Diet Coke.
Like that's what I remember,

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like waking up to like Diet
Coke.

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So you need to drink tea in the
afternoon with a splash of milk.

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Once you've broken your face,
that's.

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True.
That's true.

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Yeah.
I should do this, James. 2

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quotations grammar, punctuation.
All of the grammar and the

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punctuation that was in the
original Greek, it really helps

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us.
Is that what you're saying that?

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I will, absolutely.
So I get excited for James to 18

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through 19 and quotations.
Let's take it to the next level

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from the hearts of the Low
Country in South Carolina.

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It's the Take Two podcast where
we take theology to the next

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level.
Yeah, I like what you said,

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Michael, 'cause I got a picture
of one of the earliest

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manuscripts that we have on
James to be like when I was, we

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were going through James and
Impact and I was like, yeah,

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let's just check the manuscripts
and it's all just capital

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letters strung together.
It's even harder and.

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I I So the danger is cause
'cause I've read this book when

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I was in college called Hey Mom,
What About the Dinosaurs?

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OK.
And it's kind of the first

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person that gave me permission
to be an old Earther.

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Wow.
To be, you know, inconsistent

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with.
I thought, OK, here's a way to

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look at Scripture because I
always kind of had this

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cognitive dissonance.
But he was going over how, you

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know, Hebrew doesn't have vowels
in it.

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And mostly we, you can tell from
the context what it is.

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But he was like, here is an
alternate way, like these words

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might be different.
And I was, I was excited about

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this and I was explaining it to
Jill.

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This is while we're dating.
She's like Michael, This just

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tells me that we can't trust
anything in the Bible.

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Wow.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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yeah.
And you can see how someone

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could go there.
And like you're saying, context

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drives everything.
And for large majority of

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Scripture, it's very apparent
and for major doctrines, very

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apparent.
There's a couple places where

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you can't nail things down
totally, but it's really not

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consequential.
It's it's really, it's almost

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like gives you more confidence
that there's so much that that

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you know what I'm saying, where
you kind of make your best

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guess.
We've covered some of this

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stuff.
This one is fascinating because

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it all centers around
quotations.

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If you know anything about
James, you probably know Faith

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without Works is dead.
I'm going to.

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Read that right straw epistle.
That that's right, Martin Luther

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himself, you know, coming down
hard on on James.

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I'm going to read some of this
and then I'll kind of pause

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where the divisiveness comes in.
You might be like I've not heard

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of this divisiveness.
When you hit when you hit the

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quote, say quote.
OK, OK.

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Yeah, there.
You and then you want me to read

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from NASB?
Yeah, yeah.

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We'll, we'll read different
translations.

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I'm just going to set the
larger, the broader context

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because most of us are probably
familiar with this.

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If you start in verse 14, James
writes, what good is it, my

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brother's if someone says he has
faith but does not have works,

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can that faith save him?
If a brother or sister is

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poorly, poorly clothed and
lacking in daily food, and one

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of you says to them, go in
peace, be warm and filled

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without giving them the things
needed for the body, what good

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is that?
So also faith by itself, if it

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does not have works is dead.
So first few verses, faith of

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that works is dead.
He's like reinforcing his

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points.
Verse 18, he's going into

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something, you know many people
will call the rhetorical device

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of a diatribe.
He'll say, but someone will say

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and universally this is where
the quote starts.

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No one disagrees with that, but
someone will say introduces the

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quote.
The problem is where does the

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quote end?
You have faith and I have works.

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ESV End Quote.
How about you keep reading in an

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ASV?
And it mine keeps going.

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The whole thing isn't quote.
So it says quote.

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Someone may say quote, you have
faith and I have works.

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Show me your faith without the
works and I will show you my

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faith by my works.
End Quote.

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The NLT does something slightly
different.

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It kind of falls on the same
line but NLT will say now

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someone may argue quote, some
people have faith others have

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good deeds.
End Quote.

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But I say new quote.
That's kind of how the ESB goes

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to how can you show me your
faith if you don't have good

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deeds?
I will show you my faith by my

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good deeds.
NIV kind of aligns with ESBCSB

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as well if you read if you go by
rules and grammar, let's see

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what NKJB is.
NKG most align with ESB because

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that's the most natural way to
do grammar in this kind of

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situation.
So if you're putting quotes

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somewhere else, you're doing
that based on, you know, you're

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given a little bit of what are
we trying to say?

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Like you're interpreting a
little.

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Bit you're adding your
interpretation.

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And so NESB translators have,
they're trying to prove

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something.
And this kind of gets to the

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crux of it, because we all know
the broader points is faith

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without works is that James is
saying your faith must produce

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works or it's not sincere,
genuine faith, right?

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Living faith produces living
works.

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Dead faith produces dead works.
So if you we'll start with the

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ESV and then we'll get to the
NESP.

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But it so the ESVNIVA lot of
translations will say, but

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someone will say you have faith
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If you take that literally, if
you assign meaning to the

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pronouns you and I, James is
propping up this hypothetical

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individual that's looking at
James.

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A hypothetical interlocutor.
That's right, interlocutor.

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That's great.
Yes, exactly right.

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And he says, looking at James,
you have faith.

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But I have works really
undercuts James.

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He's really agreeing with James.
Why is he arguing with James?

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Because James is saying I have
marks.

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You just say you have faith.
So that's the confusion where

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the NESB tries to draw this out
more because because I might not

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be doing a job of articulating
this.

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You can clarify, Michael,
because if you assign the quotes

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to the hypothetical person
versus James, you're saying

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opposite things.
Does that then what James would

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say yeah, yes, I've I've always
the interpretation of Michael,

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which is probably the the most
important I've always taken it

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to be someone saying like, hey,
some people have faith some

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people have works like it's it's
it's you know, not everyone has

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the faith.
Not everyone.

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That's how I've I've taken the
the interlocutor to to push

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against what James is saying by
saying, you know, faith works,

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the kind of equal type of thing.
Oh yes, so say say that again,

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like saying like some of faith.
It's like it's two different.

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Yeah, like, hey, you're, you're
getting all in a fuss about

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nothing.
Some people have faith.

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Oh, I see some people have
works.

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Yeah, you can say.
Either way, yeah, yeah, it's

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either.
It's OK.

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James, what are you?
What are you fussing about?

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And then in your version, are
you saying then it goes.

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Then James clarifies and says,
I'll show you my faith by my

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works whereas.
Nas.

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That's not what NASB.
Said but that's what.

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But that's what Michael's mind
is.

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I've never really paid attention
to these clothes.

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Before, I never have either and
it's fascinating.

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I've just steamrolled by them
and just made the.

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Concepts.
Yeah, the concepts, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, because the other place
you'll see this probably the

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most it's and it's not really
controversial, but if you look

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at something like John 316
where.

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Does Jesus stop talking?
Yes.

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Is Jesus saying that?
Is it John like summer or like

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doing like an aside?
Doesn't really change the

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meaning, but it it changes like
that conversation.

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I mean, it's not as
consequential.

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This is a little bit more
consequential.

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The overall point stands 'cause
you can tell what James is

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driving at pretty easily. 17 and
18 are red in my Bible, so I

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know Jesus said said those.
Yeah, yeah.

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Great.
That's good.

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We should do it on Red Letter
Bible and that's like so good.

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That's how you know, just get
the red letter Bible answers all

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the questions about when Jesus
talking.

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Quick quick aside as well, if
you look at translations like

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the NLT and the NIV, this is not
related to our topic, but when

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in our version says works, they
will translate it deeds even

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though it's not the word for
deeds.

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Do you know why they would say
that?

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It's also another translation
choice and and it goes to if

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you're explaining.
Because you're trying to not

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make him be seemingly against
Paul.

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Exactly they're like Paul is
works of the law.

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Maybe you're earning salvation
through circumcision, keeping

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the Sabbath versus deeds.
Paul is talking pre conversion

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works to merit salvation.
So, so they they, they pick a

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word that that's not what it
means to prove a point, which

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some might say you don't want to
do that, but but to make it more

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clear.
So it's another translation

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they're trying.
To clarify the argument.

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Even though they use a different
word where ESP like, oh, don't

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do that.
We want to, we don't want to

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change the word because then it
you can't just pick and choose

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what.
But anyway, but it does try to

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illustrate, but I think all
that's fascinating like what

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goes into trying to make a clear
translation where you want to

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communicate what is being said.
So, so anyway, the because the

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difference with, you know, the
other thing to keep in mind, I

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guess what I'm trying to say is
when you have this diatribe,

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most of the time you're propping
up someone that opposes you,

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right?
In ESB it almost seems like it's

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an ally it it's someone that so
he's like, but someone's gonna

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say I totally agree with you
James, which seems weird, but

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that could happen.
I guess you.

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Know So what are the ones you're
looking at?

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NLTESVNASB Is there another one?
I'm trying to see where the if

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there was another one or if I I
it might just be two.

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I got NIV, so NIV ends it after
you have faith I have deeds.

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OK, NESB is all the way through
18.

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ESV.
Is the same place that the NIV

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does where you.
Really get to a, you get about

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10.
If you look at commentaries that

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obviously the translators don't,
you get a lot of different

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things where people are trying
to different scholars are trying

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to posit what they think is
right.

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And you start to get into more
options where some, you know,

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you get kind of crazy, but they
have not been adopted by

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translation committees for
probably good reason.

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You start getting like cute with
it and you're saying these

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things where the part of the ES,
what most translations are the

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short quote.
What is not good about it is I

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guess there's the Michael
version where he just said

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there's like two ways you can go
about it.

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And then I guess James is saying
show me your faith apart from

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your works.
And I was, I don't know, it's, I

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think each view has some
limitations.

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It's not perfect.
The problem with the ESV views

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is that the you and I don't
really carry any weights where,

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you know, it'd be nice if the
pronouns like lined up really

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well.
But he might be saying, someone

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says this, someone says that.
What would have been really

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nice?
As if it had said but someone

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will say I have faith you have
deep that would.

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Solve anything?
Why didn't you say it?

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That way that.
That is the.

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Confusion 'cause then it would
fit perfectly and then you'd say

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show me your your faith without
your deeds.

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So it's.
I don't want to overblow it,

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overblow this.
It's not really a huge deal.

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It's just more fascinating to me
that I just never saw this

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before.
And I was looking through it and

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like, several commentaries will
like pause here and say, hey,

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here's like the two main
options.

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Here's like 4 subset of options
that, you know, different

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scholars are putting forth.
And I just never thought of the

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you have faith and I have works.
Yeah, sorry.

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To interrupt.
You're good.

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No, that's all I.
Was saying I preached a sermon

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on.
This and this quote did not, did

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not.
My mind just went right over the

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fact that all this was in one
quote 'cause I attributed some

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of what this was saying to
James.

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It's so the NSB was no, it did
not deter me from proper

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exegesis of what was there there
you.

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Go because some people, some
scholars, I don't think any

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major translation does this.
Maybe alt alt to look, but

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they'll take the quote, they'll
propose.

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Hey, the quote goes all the way
to the end of 19 where it says

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you.
Believe that God.

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Is 1 you do well, even the demon
shudder where it's not James

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saying that, but there's like
and and it you know, that's a

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that's a proposed thing by by
some people.

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Anyway, it's a, the more I learn
about translation, to me, it

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reinforces how much we can have
confidence in our scripture.

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Also reinforces that, you know,
they do a lot of hard work, but

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this hard work, all this
contextual work that goes into

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it, I think the short quotation
is.

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Right, that's the most.
Natural way and like if you look

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at ancient areas, the problem is
there's not AI mean if you look

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at all the ancient nearest
literature, when they do a

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diatribe, most of the time it is
an opponent.

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And that shorter quote that's
just like what you see is what

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the scholars say.
That's like that's like the most

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natural.
You almost wouldn't do it only

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if you have a really good
reason.

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Oh, some, some people have
posited this is not our

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translation.
This is the other one.

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But someone will say you have
faith quotation and then James

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saying I have works and that
kind of makes sense because

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James is saying my faith
produces works even shorter.

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Even she.
Even shorter, the problem is I

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guess in the Greek that and I is
an awkward way to start a

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sentence.
It would be like you have faith.

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I have works.
You probably wouldn't say the

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and I it's like some rule in
Greek to start.

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Maybe it's with a diatribe, but
they're like it technically

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could happen, but it's very
unusual.

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So anyway, the quotes aren't
there.

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Yeah, yeah.
So.

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When I've read this I have
always take.

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I've not paid attention to the
pronouns and but I've always

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taken it to be someone saying I
kind of, And I, I after looking

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at it, it's good to look at it,
but I've always said basically

453
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someone's saying, hey, faith
works, James, what's the big

454
00:21:48,360 --> 00:21:50,200
deal?
And then he's going to reply.

455
00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:53,360
Show me your faith.
By your works.

456
00:21:53,360 --> 00:21:57,000
You know you, that's you.
Your faith is demonstrated

457
00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:00,600
through your deeds.
So I mean maybe your trans.

458
00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:02,560
Your way as well, where he's
kind of like you have faith,

459
00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:04,440
like throwing out different
things and then James is getting

460
00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:08,200
to it because the other problem
people point to you have faith

461
00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:10,880
is we don't get this in our
English Bibles.

462
00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:12,360
I might I don't think I'm
misspeaking.

463
00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:14,720
You have faith, you singular
have faith.

464
00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:17,760
I have works.
Then he says show me your faith

465
00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:19,880
without it works and I will show
you plural.

466
00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:21,920
And you like switch.
It's like they don't they don't

467
00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:23,440
line up good.
They keep switching back and

468
00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:24,440
forth.
It's weird.

469
00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:26,600
It's not what you would expect
to see and that's part of the

470
00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:28,760
confusion.
Is he talking to a congregation

471
00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:30,000
or is it this hypothetical
person?

472
00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:33,080
He shifts back and forth.
He doesn't keep consistency.

473
00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:35,040
Maybe James didn't.
Have an amanuensis.

474
00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,880
So, so I think, 'cause some
people try to rely on, OK, if

475
00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:44,080
you're going to be consistent
with EU pronoun UI, guess I

476
00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:46,560
should look this up in the King
James and see how it goes

477
00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:49,160
because they, you can see that a
little bit better.

478
00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:53,080
But there's something like
people make mistakes because EU

479
00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:57,040
is not consistent.
It's the versus King James.

480
00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:01,800
Yeah, A.
Man may say, and there's no

481
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:03,560
actual quote there Oh yeah,
they.

482
00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:08,760
Don't do quotes thou hast.
Faith and I have works semi

483
00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,840
colon I think it's.
Colon.

484
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:18,720
Show me, shoe me thy faith
without thy work, comma, and I

485
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:22,880
will show thee my faith by my
works.

486
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:31,400
And and maybe the problem is
backing up, so this should have

487
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:32,760
a.
Yee though, yeah.

488
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:34,480
And and I.
Might be wrong, I might OK, it

489
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:38,400
might be in 216, but maybe it's
before the There's somewhere

490
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:42,440
either directly following or
definitely or directly after.

491
00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:44,240
Where's the Yee?
It it's where P that's.

492
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:47,080
What in a commentator?
The commentaries make note of

493
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,640
this, saying This is why this
way is not a good way.

494
00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:53,240
They basically show you all
these versions have something

495
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:56,280
that's not wrong with it, but
something that make you not.

496
00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:58,520
There's not a.
Slam dunk.

497
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,480
As you can see, ESP and ESP very
similar probably on punctuation

498
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:06,880
everywhere almost, but it goes
to show you like a this is

499
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,320
different, but something I think
of you know, when it comes to

500
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:13,120
this kind of thing.
Ephesians one this passage that

501
00:24:13,120 --> 00:24:16,480
most of us are familiar with.
Paul does this this prayer, if

502
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:20,960
we read verse four, he writes
even as he chose us in him

503
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:23,360
before the foundation of the
world that we should be holy and

504
00:24:23,360 --> 00:24:25,360
blameless before him.
Period.

505
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:29,600
Then it says in love.
Next verse, he predestined us.

506
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:33,240
So like the KJV thought it ended
in love and some people still do

507
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:34,680
think that.
But where does that preposition?

508
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:38,600
What's it modifying?
It's like reading on context.

509
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,200
Most people think that sit and
starts a little bit before verse

510
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:42,840
5, but we don't get all those
right.

511
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,280
Not that that changes
dramatically.

512
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,200
You're what it means.
It does change it a little bit.

513
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:52,000
You know, where does that love?
But you could probably say God

514
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,600
lovingly did it both ways.
You know, you know what I mean?

515
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:59,000
But it kind of goes to show you,
you know, KJV wasn't inspired

516
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:00,080
these chapter.
And sometimes you read like

517
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,240
chapter 32 and then you get to
you're like, oh, those two

518
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,840
verses went with chapter 31.
And then there's a big gap and

519
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:07,560
it's like a new paragraph, I
think the verses.

520
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:12,040
Were there before the KJV
translation right so.

521
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,320
It could have been before.
Before they were translating

522
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:17,720
into English.
I'd have to look that up to see

523
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:19,360
the timing.
What's pretty amazing?

524
00:25:19,360 --> 00:25:22,040
Is overall, those people did a
really good job.

525
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:23,520
They did, yeah.
Like, they didn't nail it every

526
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:25,080
time, but they nailed it a lot
of the time.

527
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:28,760
Yeah, yeah.
If all you had was a KJV, you

528
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:30,920
can know what you need to know.
No, it's.

529
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,880
It's great.
So I'm kind of random might this

530
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:37,400
might not be everyone's cup of
tea, but I was like, it's I

531
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:39,440
can't think of another place
where it's like I've been so

532
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,760
familiar with the passage and
like never heard of this.

533
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,280
You're like steamrolled.
Over like, how did you, how did,

534
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,720
how did you come across this 2.
Commentaries on this that I was

535
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,200
looking at 1 was by my watching
this.

536
00:25:50,360 --> 00:25:52,120
Yeah.
Through an impact, OK.

537
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,640
Doug Moo.
Who has a really good, He's like

538
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,600
got a good commentary on James.
He spent some time talking about

539
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:00,160
it and then a guy.
Do you know Craig Blomberg?

540
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,360
He does a lot on the Gospels.
Yeah, he's got one of, he's

541
00:26:02,360 --> 00:26:03,520
been, have a lot of time on this
too.

542
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:07,840
And so those are the two.
Well, I have the Craig Blomberg

543
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:11,280
one I, I go through and I listen
to videos of MU teaching at the

544
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,600
Master Seminary to like
MacArthur's seminary students.

545
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,280
And he uses his commentary, but
he's I can listen to it in the

546
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,120
car and then I can read
Blomberg's and they both spend a

547
00:26:19,120 --> 00:26:21,880
lot of time talking on it.
And it's hilarious because like

548
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,000
all the students are like asking
questions and he's just like,

549
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:25,960
let's move on.
It's hard.

550
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:27,800
It's like it's just he's just
trying to move.

551
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:30,480
On.
He was highlighting and it's

552
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:32,640
like everyone's trying to come
up with stuff and he's just

553
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:36,320
like, it's and MU is one of
these people.

554
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:39,280
He teaches at Wheaton College,
if that gives you any context.

555
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:42,480
Like prestige, like good school,
maybe a little bit more.

556
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,600
Craig went to Wheaton.
OK, great.

557
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,880
Grade school, especially going
back in time a lot and it's

558
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:49,400
still a really good school, but
maybe a little bit more

559
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:51,160
progressive than like thought we
did Wheaton.

560
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,240
Close recently.
Oh, I don't think.

561
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:54,960
So yeah, let me just.
Check that.

562
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:59,000
Yeah, let's, let's fact.
Check this and he's a little bit

563
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,360
more like I like he's very
humble.

564
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,920
Sometimes I think he gets
criticized for being like, like

565
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:07,480
he'll lay all these and be like,
we can't really know.

566
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,800
We have confidence.
Some people like feel like he

567
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:13,640
doesn't have enough.
He's too like giving to all the

568
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:15,480
ways or like he gives these
reasons.

569
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,440
He's like, I'm 80% sure of this
20%.

570
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,360
I think people wish he would be
like, I'm 100% sure of this all

571
00:27:20,360 --> 00:27:25,240
the time.
But it's yeah, he does a good

572
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:29,040
job teaching through There's
like a on the Gospel Coalition

573
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,600
has like a course where he's
teaching through James that's

574
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,000
really good.
He's basically using his

575
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:34,880
commentary.
And then Craig Blomberg's got a

576
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:39,960
little tiny, I think he he wrote
like the Zonder Finn series.

577
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:43,120
He's the guy for, for James.
And they both hit this a lot and

578
00:27:43,120 --> 00:27:44,680
just give like 5 different
reasons.

579
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:50,720
Is Wheaton closed?
No, but I I saw let's go back

580
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:55,080
because there was some
reasonable faith podcast that

581
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:58,560
was talking about some college
that recently.

582
00:27:58,560 --> 00:27:59,880
Closed.
Closed.

583
00:27:59,920 --> 00:28:06,240
I thought it was Wheaton.
It was someplace that William

584
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,000
Lane Craig went, or maybe he
taught there.

585
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:11,840
Maybe he went one.
Maybe I'm confusing where he

586
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,680
went and where he taught.
Yeah, because Wheaton.

587
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,640
I think is like where he did go.
He did.

588
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:21,440
Go to Wheaton for his
undergraduate man, Trinity.

589
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:23,760
Sorry, we're off.
We're off topic.

590
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,520
I I'm trying to Yeah, so.
Anyway, I was trying to because

591
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,400
I was basically trying to figure
out where else I've seen this

592
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,400
kind of stuff.
And I don't think I've seen this

593
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:34,360
kind of stuff too much, but it
is it to me.

594
00:28:34,360 --> 00:28:36,640
It's so interesting, especially
like works of the law, deeds,

595
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,120
like why are we making these
decisions?

596
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:39,800
What's going through?
Oh, yeah.

597
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,880
And Doug Moo, he is on the
translation committee of the NIV

598
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:44,800
and the TNIV.
And so he talks a lot about,

599
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,360
hey, we were in this meeting and
I voted for this and I got voted

600
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,080
down and most.
And where the NIV goes wrong,

601
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,480
he's always like, it seems like
he gets voted down for those

602
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:54,120
things, but he's always like
he's talking a little bit

603
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:55,560
transparently about these
meetings.

604
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:57,680
And I think that kind of helps,
you know.

605
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,640
And he's like, he's like, you
have, I mean, to get things

606
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:05,880
changed from like the status
quo, you have to like bring a

607
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,760
lot of information because it's,
you know, it's that's kind of,

608
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:13,040
you know how it's been.
You have to like really show and

609
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,120
demonstrate.
And he's always got some good

610
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,040
examples.
Why can't we get?

611
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:20,280
That changed, yeah, that that.
Seems like a super easy 1 based

612
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:23,920
on how he's talking because
'cause he would be 1, he'd be

613
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,000
like, I voted not to translate
it deeds because I, he's like, I

614
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,840
feel like he can't just change
words, but he's like, I lost

615
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:32,240
that one.
And he's like, I get why they

616
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,120
did that.
It's not the same audience, you

617
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:37,360
know, the NASB, but it is like,
he's like, oh, how can you just

618
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:41,040
change a word?
Yeah, you know, but, and, and

619
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,400
maybe a lot of people, you know,
that is a stumbling block.

620
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,200
You know works and works are
works and deeds.

621
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,120
Synonyms enough that you could
say that they're the same words.

622
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:54,320
Like what makes what makes deeds
the translation of this word and

623
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,120
works the translation of another
word.

624
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,440
I guess.
I guess, yeah, I don't know.

625
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:02,200
Yeah, I'd be.
Curious if like in the NESP or

626
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,880
ESP do we have a place where it
does say deeds that are not

627
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:07,200
works?
I'm trying to think off the top

628
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,360
of my head.
Like I feel like there might be

629
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:10,720
a place I'm just saying in
English.

630
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:14,800
Would you say deeds and works
are synonyms enough that you

631
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:18,360
would say that you're
translating from?

632
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,200
You know you never.
I don't.

633
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,520
Translators don't just take.
Yeah, that's right.

634
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,280
And.
There's not like a single word

635
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:30,000
that every word in the original
language gets translated to.

636
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:31,600
That's right.
Yeah, Yeah, there's sometimes it

637
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:33,240
translates.
That's right, because if you had

638
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:34,760
RK.
In Greek, sometimes you're going

639
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:36,840
to translate that as ruler,
sometimes you're going to

640
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,400
translate it as beginning,
beginning and stuff like that

641
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:41,520
because it has shades of
meaning.

642
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,440
So you, the translators, the
problem with the translator's

643
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,640
job is you do have to interpret
some because you're trying to

644
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,960
figure out which shade of
meaning was was intended.

645
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:51,240
And sometimes it.
That's a good point.

646
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:53,040
Sometimes like.
Useless.

647
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:54,680
Yeah, you.
You lose it.

648
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:55,320
You.
You.

649
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:57,640
You there's like a play on words
that you lose.

650
00:30:57,920 --> 00:30:59,600
Yeah, you lose.
Some of that there was, I'm

651
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:03,000
trying to think of the other.
We had a good, yeah, good.

652
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:04,920
The play on.
I wish there was more footnotes

653
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:08,480
for plays on words because
there's one in here.

654
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:15,200
I think the word for works and
the word for, I don't know, it's

655
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,040
like ergo Argo.
There's like some like play on

656
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,520
words when you're when he's like
doing some of these phrases over

657
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,760
and over again.
And it's like in James, in James

658
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,000
and maybe in Galatians too, But
it's like some of that you're

659
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,200
like, oh, that's like, that's
like helps you remember stuff

660
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,920
that you just can't, you know,
you can't, can't catch it all in

661
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:35,600
our English translations, but it
makes, you know, translation is,

662
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,760
you know, not, not a total, not
a total science.

663
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:43,360
You know, I got this college.
Closing afterwards and we'll

664
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:44,600
talk about it.
I got to figure it out.

665
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:45,600
I love it.
Well, that's enough.

666
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:47,280
On James, you know, you liked
it.

667
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,400
You liked it.
You didn't, you know, come at

668
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,200
me, you know, we'll talk more.
But anyway, that is our take.

669
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:55,120
Thanks for listening to Take
Two.

670
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,440
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671
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