Abraham and Isaac in Light of Christ

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All right, Zach.
Oh, no.

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I know what I got to do.
Kobe Bryant.

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Kobe Bryant.
Kobe Bryant.

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Whoa, that was weird.
I was at my house.

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Put my kids to bed and I just
felt this like when I was here.

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You're like drug over here.
It was weird, man.

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Man, it's been been too long.
It's going to be back in the

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saddle.
Clay Thrower coming from my job,

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honestly great work.
He did good job.

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Yeah, he did fantastic.
Thank you, Clay, for filling in.

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Yeah, it was, it was great.
I my only thing I did not like

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about it is I was, I was, I I
liked, I I was interested in all

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the Samsung stuff from that.
From that podcast, so.

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So you wanted to?
Yeah, it was so.

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Good.
But it was good.

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It was really good.
Well, there's, you know, there's

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101 blurry creature podcast that
we have not covered.

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So there's a lot.
There's another one that he was

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mentioning and I don't even it's
like the episode right after

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Samson.
That would be good.

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So more, more podcasts to be
had.

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Did did you want to say anything
about Samson?

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Well, I was glad you guys hit it
at the end.

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My my biggest was like, oh,
they're not going to hit.

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But then at the end you hit it.
I was like really wondering, you

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know, what you thought Samson
looked like?

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Because I've always been at the
persuasion that like he might

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have looked like a normal guy.
Because it seems like if

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strength came from the Lord,
that would be it would be weird

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for people to be like, oh, your
strength, you look like you have

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that.
Strength, you know, you look

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like then it'd be like, no
surprise.

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Right.
It would it would it would be

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that so and then.
Of course you saw you did you

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see the AI image?
Like I wasn't going to fight

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Chad but it does have him being
all buff and.

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I thought but that's but that is
like what?

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You.
That is what people think.

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In the and I thought you had a
good point about his hair, like

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and all the Sunday school stuff.
His hair is never that long.

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It's like long, but it's like
shaggy, like superhero long.

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Not like I've never cut my hair.
It's down to my waist.

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Right.
It should be down to his waist a

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little bit lower cause like the
like if you look at the Guinness

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Book World Records, OK, yeah,
the longest person's hair ever.

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She could stand like on a second
story and it would reach, but

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that was because most of the
time, eventually your hair will

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just let go out of the follicle
and it'll start growing again.

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So when it reaches, basically
that's as long as it it will go,

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it will go.
So probably is waist or knees or

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something somewhere around
there.

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Yeah, 'cause.
That's like, that's like not

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what you think of Lincoln
depression, you know what I'm

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saying?
So.

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But I thought it was great,
though.

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It was good.
Yeah.

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So Clay, what?
What number?

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What?
What episode is that for Clay?

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Who we did Michael Melchizedek.
We did the first two on Michael

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Heizer.
Man.

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And I pronounced it right.
That's good.

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Great.
And then this one, so I guess

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#5.
Getting the reps in that, that's

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really cool.
So yeah, that's great.

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Hopefully we'll have, you know,
down down the road a little bit.

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We've been we've got some
podcasts in the works with some

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guests, do you know so it'd.
Be good.

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That would be good.
Yeah.

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Yeah, we may do that one at the
church.

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Yeah.
You probably have four people

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talking.
It out.

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Yeah, sweets.
Great.

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Trying to think of anything else
you know noteworthy.

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Yeah, you played ultimate.
Played ultimate I I I.

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This is not really a battle
score.

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I made, AI made.
I made diving attempt at a

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catch.
I did not.

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Catch it, it was better.
But it was like the IT was

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perfect day to dive or saw it.
I mean, one sliding catch that

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was awesome 'cause it was.
Well, it was raining in the

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Creek.
The goose.

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Creek and it was like raining on
and off I literally like slid

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like it felt like 15 feet maybe
it wasn't that far but it was

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like you could just like slide
forever because the grass was

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wet but it wasn't like it wasn't
muddy or anything which.

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Was nice, just like wet.
Wet grass, just like wet grass,

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yeah.
Any breathing problems out

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there?
Not for me, but I know it's

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been, it's been tough out there.
Yeah, some of us with ragweed

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allergies because we're looking
at the pollen thing because all

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of us were in the Mott family.
I think we all probably have it

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and made my voice is a little
bit lower than normal.

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I, I don't know, but it seemed
like my, I was saying I had an

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audition singing audition did
went really well on Monday and

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by Friday it's just like my
whole voice and stuff is like,

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I'm glad it was, it was back
then and not, you know, two or

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three days later, 'cause dude,
ragweed's hitting.

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Also covid's hitting.
I think I.

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I think I had COVID.
I think I had the what would

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this be COVID 3.2 or something
like?

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That this is our 52nd strain.
I think I did have it because I

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had what what seemed like strep
throat, but it was had more.

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Most of the time when I get
strep or like a sore throat,

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it's just like it's gone and
feel fine otherwise.

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This one, like I had a little
bit of a fever, just kind of

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felt achy, just like tired and
rundown, like, yeah.

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And it lasted longer.
Yeah, I, I was, I haven't been

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sick in a long time.
And I was like not feeling well.

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Well, I, I actually totally lost
my voice.

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I've lost my voice in a long
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Like I could not communicate.
And it was.

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Well Jill lost her taste and
smell again for like a few days.

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Wow, so.
It's back though.

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It's back, yeah.
Also I will bring this over

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banter one time.
I just I need to write this down

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one of these episodes.
We should do some smelling salts

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on the podcast, not do some
smelling salts smell some

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smelling salts like it's a drug
of.

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Sorts.
But you know, really.

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I've I've smelled this stuff
before it's.

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Dude, it's like I dread it.
It just like it's, it's like

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invigorating in a bad way, It's
like.

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Whoa.
Yeah.

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Yeah, I've seen, you've seen
videos where people are like,

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this is not going to do anything
to me.

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And they're like, and they're
like, they end up with a head

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injury 'cause they're.
Yeah, it's insane, man.

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Good.
Well, number episode #5.

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I think this is our fifth and
probably final maybe unless I

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mean unless you're and my mind
is the final.

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But yeah, basically there might
be a couple tangential ideas

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that aren't really about
Abraham, but Abraham adjacent.

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We'll see.
Yeah, Abraham adjacent.

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So we will be talking about
Abraham and the sacrifice of

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Isaac or almost sacrifice of
Isaac.

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And maybe if we can remember,
'cause we will do this is a

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longer banter, but we will do an
episode that kind of responds to

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some of the comments.
But one of the commenters did

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talk about, you know, how bad
God is for telling Abraham to

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sacrifice his son.
I was like, have you, have you

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read the story?
Because he doesn't actually have

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him sacrifice it.
Him yeah, that's a good thing to

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talk about.
Cause is it, is it, you know,

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deceptive or not?
I mean, you know, these are

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good, good things to talk
through.

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But I, I, I do like, I'm excited
to do some of these response

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things 'cause there was really
good engagement.

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There was good engagement.
Yeah, so I'm excited.

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So get ready, Abraham and Isaac,
let's take it to the next level.

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From the hearts of the Low
Country in South Carolina.

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It's the Take Two podcast where
we take theology to the next

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level towards the end of
Abrahams life, beginning of

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Isaacs life.
And he's probably like 3 years

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old here, you think?
Isaac Yeah, just a just a

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toddler, very small.
Most of the time I think we're

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told 12/13.
Well, I that's what we're told

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growing up.
No, that's true.

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And that's, and the pictures
make him look like a very small,

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like a, yeah, small adolescent
kind of thing, you know?

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But what do you think?
So looking at biblical clues,

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the very next chapter, Sarah
dies.

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Sarah dies when Isaac is 37.
So we can, we can probably say.

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Somewhere between 0 and 30. 7:00
So I mean, that narrows him a

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little bit.
Not that anyone was thinking,

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oh, I thought he was 55, but
also I was looking some of this

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up.
Jewish tradition puts him close

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to 37 just because of where the
text is.

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I.
Think.

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Oh, maybe, maybe 33.
I, I think it's reasonable to

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think, you know, maybe like
early 20s or something like that

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where it's, he's not a, he's not
a 12 year old kid.

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I don't think he's like an
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He's still like kind of under
Abraham's authority, but he's

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able to hike.
That makes it willing at some

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level.
At some level.

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That's right.
A 23 year old could probably

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overpower a 110 year old, do you
know what I'm saying?

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Yeah, that's that's a good, a
good point.

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But but every like thing you see
is like 12 or 13.

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And I'm I'm not saying it
couldn't be that that's, that is

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probably the minimum like, but
when?

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You say that when people try to
depict.

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It Yeah, yeah, yeah.
When you see pictures, yeah,

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yeah, 'cause you gotta be able
to like carry wood and hike, you

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know, this mountain.
And so, you know, you know,

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probably not the easiest,
easiest thing to do, but yeah.

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Anyway, I think that I think
that's interesting because if

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you, it makes a difference if
you're 25 or if you're 12.

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So there are around 19 verses
here.

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So you want to maybe read a few
and talk and or just go

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straight?
Through I was thinking we could

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read every other word.
Every other word I read 1, you

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read 1.
Yeah, at least maybe a

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paragraph.
I'll talk about the paragraph.

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Maybe.
Yeah, it says this is Genesis

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22.
It says Now it came about after

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these things, that God tested
Abraham and said to him,

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Abraham, And he said, Here I am.
He said, Take now your son, your

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only son whom you love, Isaac,
and go to the land of Moriah,

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and offer him there as a burnt
offering on one of the mountains

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of which I will show you.
So Abraham rose early in the

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morning and saddled his donkey,
and took two of his young men

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with him, and Isaac his son, and
he split wood for the burnt

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offering, and a rose and went to
the place of which God had told

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him.
On the third day, Abraham raised

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his eyes and saw the place from
a distance.

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Abraham said to his young men.
Stay here with the donkey and I,

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and the lad will go over there,
and we will worship and return

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to you.
So nice good little stopping

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point there.
Yeah, I, I, I think that's

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great.
You know, of note, it's like,

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it's not just Abraham and Isaac.
Yeah, there's, there's a couple

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of people with him, you know, so
it's like, that makes it like.

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Two younger servants there.
There you go.

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What's that mean?
Younger than him and and Isaac.

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I don't know.
And you know, one other thing.

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I was looking here.
Hey, of Note 2.

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I don't know.
You know, on the third day,

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Abraham's looked up his eyes.
You know what I mean?

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Yeah.
You know, you're, you're reading

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these things.
Kind of interesting, you know?

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Yeah, that that some illusions
there.

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I love it.
You want.

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You want to take turn?
You want to read the next.

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Section am I starting verse 6?
Is that where?

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He's yeah, yes.
And Abraham took the wood of the

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burnt offering, and laid it on
Isaac his son.

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And he took in his hand the fire
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So they both.
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together.
And Isaac said to his father,

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Abraham, my father, and he said,
here I am my son.

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He said, behold the fire and the
wood.

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But where's the lamb for a burnt
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Abraham said God will provide
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offering, my son.
So they went, both of them

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together.
We want to stop there, Isaac,

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you know, not not a total.
I mean, he, he's not like he's

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putting it together.
He's like, I know there's

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something else we need here.
I've done the sacrifice thing.

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A.
Time.

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Or two.
But, you know, I wonder.

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And I just love how in the Bible
they talk to each other where

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he's like, hey, my father and
his father's like here I am

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like, you know, like it's like
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But yeah, I I like that Abraham
the whole way is like, you know,

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God's God's gonna provide that,
that that's, you know, we think

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of James talk like alluding back
to I think this passage like,

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you know what I mean?
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So it's like that's, that's
pretty.

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He showed his faith.
That is like pretty pretty,

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pretty strong faith.
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Then they came to the place of
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Abraham built the altar there,
and arranged the wood, and bound

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his son Isaac, and laid him on
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Abraham stretched out his hand
and took the knife to slay his

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son.
But the Angel, the Lord called

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him from heaven and said,
Abraham, Abraham.

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And he said, Here I am.
He said, do not stretch out your

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hand against the lad, and do
nothing to him, for now.

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I know that you fear God, since
you have not withheld your Son,

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your only Son, from me.
Yeah, I I liked we got the Angel

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the Lord coming in here.
I love I've returned to the

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Angel the Lord episode.
I love, you know, when we see

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Angel the Lord that that's
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And, you know, faith and action,
you talked about James, those

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things always go together.
Like faith inform, like not just

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informs what you do, but it if
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true, you have to, it's like,
yeah, it's like those things go

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together.
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like, well, he, you know, he
could believe God will provide,

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but are you gonna put your son
on the altar there 'cause that I

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wish we could get some
commentary from Isaac, like we

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had some kind of record.
Like what?

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Is he saying more stuff now?
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I'd like to hear his thoughts on
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Maybe we find out when we get in
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Like Isaac.
What were you thinking?

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What he's like?
Oh, I've told this story 100

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times.
Oh my goodness.

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It's gonna pick up in 13.
All right, 13 And Abraham lifted

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up his eyes and looked, and
behold, behind him was a ram

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caught in a thicket by his
horns.

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And Abraham went and took the
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offering instead of the sun.
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that place.
The Lord will provide, as it is

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said to this day on the mount of
the Lord it shall be provided.

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Is that a Jehovah?
Jireh?

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That's like the the phrase and
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Yeah, I think that is.
And are we told because we have

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some notes later on about this
being Mariah, We'll, we'll get

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there.
But I I was looking forward to

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come up in our passage and I
didn't see it.

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Yet Mariah comes like in the
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he goes to the land of, he
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it kind of there you go.
And I think it is anyway, yeah.

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So anything else on that, that
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No, we'll, we'll, no, no, I
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And you finished up with verse.
What was the last one you read?

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I finished fourteen, OK.
So I'll pick up the 15.

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It says.
Then the Angel of the Lord

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called to Abraham a second time
from heaven, and said, my by

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myself I have sworn, declares
the Lord, because you've done

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this thing and have not withheld
your son, your only son.

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Indeed, I will greatly bless
you, and I will greatly multiply

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your seed as the stars of the
heavens and as the sand which is

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on the seashore, and your seed
shall possess the gate of their

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enemies.
In your seed all the nations of

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the earth shall be blessed,
because you've obeyed my voice.

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So Abraham returned to his young
men, and they arose and went

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together to Beersheba, and
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Very good.
And this is the second it says

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it at the very beginning of 22
says it at the end.

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It really mentions Isaac as your
son, your only son.

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Like that's emphasized beginning
of the story, end of the story,

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kind of hitting hitting that
hard might.

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Be it smells like yeah.
He's reading this.

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He's like, are you kidding me?
Are you kidding me?

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Yeah.
That's good.

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Because because you could read
like if you're reading Hebrews,

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you're like, man, how you know
how is why would it say Isaac's

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only son when literally he had
another son?

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Yeah, but his only son, a
promise.

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And his only son from Sarah.
Yeah.

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True.
Yes.

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Yes.
Yes, Yes.

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All right.
So really I think what we

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learned here in this passage is
that those child sacrifices the

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Molech, really no different than
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Is that is that your take on it?
You know, I, I, we alluded to it

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like in the cold open, like I
think some, some people look at

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this and this is like, how could
your like they, they would, they

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would look at that and maybe
make that comparison be like,

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how is your God any different if
he?

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He's demanding a human
sacrifice, yes, but clearly he

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didn't.
He stopped it.

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So it was a, a test.
And you could say, well, you,

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I'm, I think you could say why?
And then we'll get into that.

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But I think you'll see lots of
parallels between what just

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happened and what's going to
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So like last episode we talked
about, you know, Samson

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fulfilling all these things that
you don't really always put

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together, but kind of
typologically Christ, like he's

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doing some things that are, you
know, kind of pre shadowing,

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foreshadowing what Christ is
gonna do.

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And this is even more than that.
Yeah, it's like Samson, those

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are the ones you're like, wow,
how did I not see this before?

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This is the one that it it hits
you in the face and you're like,

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OK, we're hitting all these
beats even.

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Yeah, even like I said, like
it's like, oh, you're a one and

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only son.
It's like all of these things

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sacrifice.
It's pretty.

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It's pretty in your face.
And for that reason, I think,

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you know, familiar story.
We talk.

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We talk about a lot.
But the question is, can God

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take human life?
Is is it OK for him to take

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human life?
Yeah, on, on one level, it's God

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can do what God wants to do.
It's it's it'd be weird for us

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to dictate how God should live.
Lots of times in the discussion

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about executions, people will
say you're playing God, and I

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don't necessarily buy that.
But that phrase kind of tacitly

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gives this idea that God is the
one who has the power over life

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and death.
Like if he is who he is.

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And it's kind of what makes God,
God.

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Yeah, he can he, he can demand
someone's life.

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Job 121 says the Lord gave and
the Lord is taken away.

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Blessed be the name of the Lord.
Deuteronomy 3239 says see now

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that I I am he, and there is no
God besides me.

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It is I who put to death and
give life.

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I have wounded, and it is I who
heal, and there is no one who

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can deliver from my hand.
So if God had demanded Isaac's

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life, he could have taken
himself directly.

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Or you know it is If God is the
one commanding it, then it is

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right to obey God.
No, that, that that's a really

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good point.
And we we always get caught up.

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I feel like, I don't know, this
is a Western thing, but it's

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like, you know, we see something
we don't like.

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I think we always get hung up on
that.

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I think it's good to ask
questions and those kind of

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things, but you can kind of miss
the point of the story or miss

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the point of the text and be
like, you know what, what,

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what's going on?
I was trying to look look this

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up and I can't.
It's like when when Jesus tells

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that story about the tower
falling, it's kind of like

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weird.
You're like, what's going on?

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The the yes exactly and so
they're like making this kind of

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same idea from Job this like
correlation between you know,

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you do good things good that you
should be blessed and the point

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is like repent or you're gonna
perish like everyone's in the

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same boat.
God is justified in anything he

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does by you living that's
merciful and it's like we get

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caught up in the details, which
is fine.

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We need to learn that, but the
point is big picture, you got

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nothing to stand on in front of
God.

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That's.
Good, All right, so and this is

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contrasted with, well, the Pagan
sacrifices because one God stops

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him, he doesn't allow it to go
through.

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And Moses in Leviticus 1821 says
you shall not give any of your

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offspring to offer them to
Molech.

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So God's not in the business of
child sacrifice.

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That's made clear throughout
Scripture and even in the story

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when he stops them from
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Jeremiah 731 says they've built
the high places to Tophef to

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burn their sons and daughters in
the fire, which I did not

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command.
It did not come into my mind.

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Of course, that's a little bit
of a anthropomorphism, but you

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know, the idea is child
sacrifice is so abhorrent to

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God, it's just completely out of
its character.

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So, you know, those comparisons
don't really go.

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Through and it and it yeah, like
like you're saying it seems like

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this child sacrifice kind of
thing was like.

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Something that was like
perpetual.

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It's like you just continue like
did this kind of thing.

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You know what I mean?
It's not like this one time

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thing that God stopped.
It's like, yeah, totally

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different categorically.
All right, so where I kind of

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talked about Isaac being
somewhere old enough to carry up

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this wood and all right, so
location.

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Yeah, let's talk some geography,
yeah.

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So Genesis 22 two says go to the
land of Moriah.

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So I was always taught this
growing up.

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And when it was doing a little
bit of research, I was like, oh,

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I need to pull into this more
because I was taught, taught

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that where Abraham offered up
Isaac was basically Golgotha.

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Yeah, yeah.
Where Jesus was Speaking of.

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Parallels.
That would be like the like

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amazing.
Parallel, but I think we know

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that it's least in the area.
Got it.

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Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.

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And maybe closer where the
Temple Mount was.

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Yeah, that makes sense.
But in that area, So Second

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Chronicles 31 says then Solomon
began to build the House of the

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Lord in Jerusalem on Mount
Moriah, where the Lord had

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appeared to his father David.
Yeah.

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Significance in in this
location, yeah.

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For sure, parallels and of
course we know that this is

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where Melchizedek was.
And Melchizedek, king of Salem

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brought out bread and wine.
Now he was the priest of God

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Most High.
We know that Mount Moriah and

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Salem were kind of basically in
the same region.

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Yeah, you can if you're like
sitting there, if you're, if

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you're at that temple .0 that's
like the City of David, which is

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like, I mean, you can look at
the temple and you can it's like

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not it's not like 10 feet away,
but it ain't it.

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Give yourself 10 minutes.
You can be over there.

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You.
Know.

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Yeah, you can.
It's within.

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And like, if you're City of
David, yeah, you kind of like

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00:21:58,080 --> 00:21:59,400
looking up.
You can see the Temple Mount.

449
00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:01,720
Yeah.
So that this was one of my

450
00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:06,360
questions like Melchizedek would
be around and there would be

451
00:22:06,360 --> 00:22:08,400
some people around in this area,
right?

452
00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:09,720
That's actually, yeah, if it's
by.

453
00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:11,520
Abraham.
Abraham yeah, right.

454
00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:13,560
Yeah, you would think, yeah,
that's I never thought about

455
00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:14,160
that.
Right.

456
00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:15,480
So I wonder what people are
like.

457
00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:18,000
Abraham, what are you doing?
You know, Yeah, like.

458
00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:18,480
Oh.
Look at this.

459
00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:19,920
Oh, they're going.
Yeah, they're.

460
00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:22,000
Going maybe evangelistic, I I
don't know.

461
00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:25,120
Yeah, there you go.
Yeah, 'cause it 'cause it's like

462
00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:27,800
it is a mountain.
It's a mountain.

463
00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:29,160
I mean, it's like a big hill,
really.

464
00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:32,200
More so than like huge, huge
mountain and I don't know, it's

465
00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:34,680
kind of hard to see with, you
know, now we've got nice

466
00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:37,400
pathways and stuff.
We have in South Carolina at

467
00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:39,640
least, at least in our area,
that's right, Maybe up in

468
00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:40,920
Greenville.
And that's true.

469
00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:44,160
And like whenever you walk up
like in Jerusalem, it's like

470
00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:47,760
pretty, there's like path.
Like, it's not like you're going

471
00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:49,600
up some like rugged terrain or.
Anything like that?

472
00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:51,120
Kind of doing some switchbacks
and stuff.

473
00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:56,680
Yeah, something like that.
Psalm 76 two says his Tabernacle

474
00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,560
is in Salem, his dwelling place
also in Zion.

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00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:04,560
John 1920 talking about the
crucifixion says for the place

476
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:06,840
of the crucifixion was near the
city.

477
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,160
So we know Golgotha was in this
area.

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00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,760
Hebrews 1312 says Jesus also
that he might sanctify the

479
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,800
people through his own blood
suffered outside the gate.

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00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:21,440
So we know that all of this is
really closely geographically in

481
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,760
the same area and and so what's
the significance of of that?

482
00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,320
Well, that that.
So that's so interesting.

483
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:34,400
Yeah, 'cause I today people
would not say that's well, yeah,

484
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:36,360
maybe, yeah.
Thinking, I was thinking of the

485
00:23:36,360 --> 00:23:41,720
tomb where the tomb is, man,
that is a far, far, Yeah.

486
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:45,840
I'm just trying to think of the
geography and yeah, that maybe

487
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:48,880
that would be a good other
podcast episode would be talking

488
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:52,280
about the potential locations
for Jesus burial and the pros

489
00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:54,400
and cons of each 'cause they're
not to.

490
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:57,000
I won't get on tangent too much,
but there's like a Protestant

491
00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:01,640
kind of site and a Catholic
site, and the Protestant site

492
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,320
looks vastly different than it's
like, it's like, I, I don't.

493
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:05,760
Yeah, I don't know.
Yeah.

494
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,480
And they're not, I mean, they're
kind of close to each other, but

495
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,920
making the connection here, a
lot of parallels.

496
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:17,160
If this is the same place.
I mean, man, that's like pretty,

497
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:20,960
pretty perfect foreshadowing
with all the substitution and

498
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:21,840
all this.
Kind of stuff.

499
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:26,360
That's good.
So Scripture explicitly ties

500
00:24:26,360 --> 00:24:27,440
that.
We could see in this Mount

501
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:31,040
Moriah side of Isaac's near
sacrifice to a later Temple

502
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:34,960
Mount in Jerusalem where I
mentioned Melchizedek is nearby.

503
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:39,680
We know Abraham gave his money
and and you know, worship not

504
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:41,920
necessarily Melchizedek, but the
Lord there.

505
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:47,240
And so we see there was a
substitutionary sacrifice for

506
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:50,760
Isaac.
So Isaac was going to be

507
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:57,920
sacrificed and yet God provides
a substitute for for Isaac.

508
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:01,000
And so maybe that's.
That's really cool

509
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,400
foreshadowing.
Also, we should do a podcast.

510
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:07,120
We should tie it in.
Here is the Catholic way of the

511
00:25:07,120 --> 00:25:08,880
cross.
I don't know if you've ever

512
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:12,600
looked at this like they have a.
Oh, all the like, the seven

513
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:13,920
different sessions and stuff,
Yeah.

514
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:15,920
Spoiler a lot of these are not
in the Bible.

515
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,280
You're like, I've never heard
this name before and just like

516
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:20,600
stop and pray at all these
things.

517
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:23,720
But it's interesting, yeah,
you're like, oh, this is not in

518
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:25,840
the gospel accounts, but church
tradition or whatever.

519
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:27,520
You know, there's like 7 or 9
different stops.

520
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:31,200
But interesting don't know the
the validity of it.

521
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,280
So we've been kind of hinting at
some of these, but some of the

522
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:38,520
Christological parallels you
mentioned up front, the like the

523
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:44,640
bookends of this narrative talks
about Isaac being the only son

524
00:25:46,120 --> 00:25:49,360
of Abraham has.
And of course, we see a lot of

525
00:25:49,360 --> 00:25:53,560
that wording in the New
Testament about Jesus being

526
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,480
God's only begotten son.
Probably the most famous Bible

527
00:25:56,480 --> 00:26:00,160
verse, John 316 God's will love
the world that he gave his only

528
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,760
begotten son.
So we see those parallels there.

529
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:08,840
Second one, Isaac carries his
wood up the mountain to the

530
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:13,240
sacrifice, and Jesus also is
carrying the cross on his back

531
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,200
up up the sacrifice for for the
sacrifice.

532
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:24,240
Third one, Abraham's son was
spared and a ram was substituted

533
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:27,800
for it.
So you have this in one sense,

534
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,200
like we were talking about, we
all deserve to die.

535
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:34,840
Isaac deserves to die.
There was a substitute made for

536
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,920
him.
And then on, you know, you can

537
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,960
think about for us, we really
are the ones that deserve to be

538
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,560
on the cross.
And God makes a substitute for

539
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:45,480
us.
In this case, it's his son.

540
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,120
So it's great.
I want to read this, you know,

541
00:26:48,120 --> 00:26:50,480
Hebrews 11, this part
specifically with Abraham and

542
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:54,120
Isaac, 'cause I think it's a
good connection here by faith.

543
00:26:54,120 --> 00:26:57,600
Abraham, when he was tested,
offered up Isaac, and he who had

544
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:02,320
received the promises was in the
act of offering up his only son,

545
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,600
of whom it was said, through
Isaac, shall your offspring be

546
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:07,440
named?
He considered that God was able

547
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,920
to even raise him from the dead,
from which, figuratively

548
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,080
speaking, he did receive him
back by faith.

549
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,920
Isaac invoked future blessings
on Jacob and Esau.

550
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,640
And so you kind of get the
thought process behind, you

551
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,320
know, Genesis, we read that, you
know, God was going to provide

552
00:27:21,360 --> 00:27:24,440
and, you know, Hebrews kind of
tells us like what Abraham was

553
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,000
really thinking would happen.
Right.

554
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:30,200
Like I'm probably going to kill
him and I trust God so much.

555
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,080
That's pretty incredible.
He's going to bring back from

556
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,320
the dead.
And so one reason bringing that

557
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:37,600
up too, if we're thinking of
parallels, it's kind of what it,

558
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:39,120
it's what happens, right, you
know?

559
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:42,560
Right.
Jesus sacrificed and then he

560
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:43,640
comes back from the dead.
Yeah.

561
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,680
So it's like even more of these
layers upon layers, which is

562
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:47,240
awesome.
Yeah.

563
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,480
And then we talked about the
geographic location.

564
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,680
So kind of, you know, big
picture here.

565
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:59,640
Abraham, according to Paul,
believes and it's reckoned to

566
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:04,040
him as righteousness.
He believes and he is legally

567
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,480
counted as righteous.
That happened back in Genesis

568
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,280
15.
And then as you alluded to

569
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:14,160
earlier, James is going to take
the other side of the coin.

570
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:17,280
He's going to say, well, if you
have true faith, your faith is

571
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:22,320
going to be visible to people.
And he's going to point to this

572
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,480
where Abraham is going to be
like, Hey, I believe you so

573
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,760
much.
I'm going to offer up my my son

574
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,800
according to what you you say.
And of course, we've been

575
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:34,600
talking about the parallels of
God offering his son.

576
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,840
Paul would say in 832, he who
did not spare his own son, but

577
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:41,440
delivered him over towards all.
How will he not also give him

578
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:46,640
free through him, give his will,
not also with him freely give us

579
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:51,120
all things.
And so this idea that God loves

580
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,600
us that much, that he's going
to, you know, bring us under his

581
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:58,360
wings and do all the the things
for us that are good for us,

582
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,280
maybe not necessarily what we
think are good, but what's

583
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,240
actually good for.
Us yeah, I like that that that

584
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,560
kind of like closes the loop
from the beginning question

585
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,360
like, you know, life and death,
God, God's sovereign over

586
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:13,240
everything and it's even we we
don't see it and everything he

587
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:18,200
is in control.
So trying to put this in context

588
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:23,240
like what I know we're kind of
moving on from Abraham proper

589
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,760
anyway, we go to the next
chapter, Sarah's death and

590
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:29,720
burial and then chapter 24,
Isaac and Rebecca, you know,

591
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:33,840
we're starting to move along and
then Genesis 25, Abraham's

592
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:35,880
death.
So we're running out of runway.

593
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:37,360
Right.
Very, very close to the end of

594
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,360
Abraham's life.
And it's been a long life,

595
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,800
fruitful life, ups and downs,
but yeah.

596
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,080
It's great 5 episodes.
We maybe have a couple more that

597
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,720
are like Abraham and Jason.
Not really.

598
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:53,760
This is our last one, like
hitting the the meat of Abraham

599
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:56,600
thought thought it was great.
What it's like one of these

600
00:29:56,600 --> 00:30:01,520
classic stories that's just good
to good to revisit and you know,

601
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:02,840
no money how many times yet
here.

602
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:04,680
It's just it's hard.
It's great to learn all these

603
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,240
things when you're like, you
know, five years old, but it is

604
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,320
hard to appreciate all of the
significance and details and,

605
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:11,840
you know.
Like they should save the best

606
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:12,960
stories for when you're an
adult.

607
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:14,880
So you're like, wow, I didn't
know that was there.

608
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:19,960
Wow, man, that is awesome.
And anything else you got on

609
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:23,080
your mind, Michael?
No, I think that's all I got.

610
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:25,520
I love it.
Well, thanks for hanging in

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00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:27,360
there with us.
That's our take.

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