Abraham | First Rise and Fall: From Promise to Panic

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All right, welcome back home.
There's no place like home.

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To your parents house, I'm
welcoming you back.

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It's kind of ironic.
They took off this morning, so

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we're back in, you know, our
quote UN quote podcast studio.

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I don't.
Know take 2 central.

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Take 2 Central, we've been at
Northwood and we've been at

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Northwood.
Yeah, I think we just did 2 long

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recording sessions at Northwood
and that covered all the time.

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Yeah.
So this one will air in a couple

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days.
Normally we record maybe quite a

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bit ahead of time.
This one will hit pretty soon.

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In fact, it'll hit in between
the two Matt Gilbert episodes.

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So if you listen to the first
one, great.

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Hopefully you found it's funny
that guy, he just like we

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actually spliced in some of the
talking 'cause we it was hard to

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like you to OK, we're gonna go
and talk 'cause he would just

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start and like this is good
stuff we need.

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This in the mic we.
Need this in the mic.

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We need this on the podcast.
But you probably noticed.

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Audio.
A few audio issues and it was

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not for the lack of trying
'cause you can, if you go back,

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watch the YouTube a second time.
Or if you haven't watched

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YouTube once, if you only listen
to a podcast, watch the YouTube

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and you'll see me like
constantly looking 'cause we

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check our monitors and I was
like, OK, everything's looking

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good.
And then when I went back and

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then that second-half, it was
like a minute of audio and then

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it just was completely gone and
my mic was gone.

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It.
Was totally.

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Gone so apologize for that.
I, I think the next, if we, you

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know, we've been taking theology
to the next level, if we take

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our AV equipment to the next
level, we probably you need to

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get just like a little sound
board.

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This is a theme in Michael's
life.

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Just ask.
Just ask.

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Charleston Bible Church.
Just need to take the AV

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equipment up a notch, huh?
Am I right?

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Yeah.
Yeah.

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Well, unfortunately we don't
have the budget that the church

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has, so that is a good.
Point, yeah.

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But maybe a little sound board
and maybe update the camera like

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if we did those two things.
Oh man.

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I mean, I mean, call us Joe
Rogan, you know what I'm saying?

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We'd just take off that that is
very, very good.

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And you know, being a technology
issue, just trouble shot a

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little bit of some more mic,
different mic issues, but yeah.

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Yeah, we updated the Roadie
software because it was dropping

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like, well, maybe.
And then we had a little delay

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in the ears.
And if you've ever been on a

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phone call and you hear your
voice like it's a bad day, half

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a second later it'll drive you
crazy.

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So it was like.
Can't do that.

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We got to figure this out, so
thankfully Zach was patient

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while I worked through.
I don't know what I did.

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Turned something on and then
turned it off and then it

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worked.
So that's all good.

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Love it.
Yeah, I don't I don't know what

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other news there is school is
like soon.

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Is your is your family like,
pumped for school?

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Yeah, yes, I think they're
pumped for school.

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Phoebe's ready to go to
kindergarten, Boom.

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And we have registered the for
soccer.

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Maybe that's maybe that's a
complete separate banter, but it

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was it was we announced to our
family yesterday evening about

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Phoebe playing soccer.
And they're like, when is it?

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And they're like the fall is
coming up and they're like,

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guess who's going to coach?
And they're like Zach and

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they're like cheering.
Yeah.

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And Joe was like, who else?
And they're like Coach Gilbert

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and they're.
Like they say.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And then and then Jill was like,

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who else?
They're like Jonathan what and

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they're like they're like you
know, and Jill's like who else,

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and they're like dad and they're
like, Oh, so the so hopefully

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it's good.
It's great.

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Did were you copying on stills
response?

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I don't.
I don't think so.

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I'll Oh yeah.
Yeah, it was yeah.

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He was like, I don't think it
would be a yeah.

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Problem, Yeah.
So the only the only concern

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would be is if there's not a lot
of coaches and he takes all this

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as being good enough to be
independent coaches.

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Like I got to separate you, but
I don't feel like I'm a good

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like I can probably teach some
defense.

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Like hey, don't kick it into the
middle right in front of your.

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Goal boom, that's great.
Kick it down that the the

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sideline or out is better than
in the middle.

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In the middle's danger.
I can tell them that over and

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all again because from my
experience watching kids at that

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level, that's something that
needs to be told over and over

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again.
No, that's huge.

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Basically, I'll tell you what is
brutal in this age group.

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Soccer goal kicks, kicking it
across the middle.

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Like it's just like we never
learn.

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It's really hard to kick it to
the side.

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I mean, they don't have the
power sometimes where that's

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just like I told Jay when I told
Jane last year, you just you

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just wait, you, you watch that
goal kick.

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That's like easy pickings for a
goal.

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You know, that's really hard to.
Just sneak up on it.

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When they kick it, just take it.
Try to, yeah.

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It exactly right so that that'll
be fun What I'm looking forward

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to is playing a team where like
maybe one of their coaches are

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like sick couldn't show up and
we just have 4 coaches on the

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sideline and they have one like.
That that was one of the things

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that the the daughters were
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They're like, how many coaches
do you need?

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I'm like, hey, you got to have
sideline control.

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You got to have.
It's great.

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And and I'll be honest, like
with soccer, it's it's good.

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Yeah, you do have sideline
control was not was lacking last

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time.
I mean, it's like you need

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people.
I would often walk over like

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behind the goal and be like, hey
goalie, like just position

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yourself right.
This is new quarter and you know

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you're there's a lot of ground
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And Karis might want to help
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Oh, I guess if Matt's there, he
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yeah.
Honestly, I think, I think we

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need more coaching.
I think we need to outnumber the

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players.
That's what I'm hoping.

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Bring Chloe.
More coaches than the players.

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One-on-one, that's true.
We have like personal training

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sessions at our practices.
It'll be good.

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I am.
And it worked out too, that all

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of our kids aren't 2nd grade
'cause then I can, you know,

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like you were saying in your
e-mail, like we're not stacking

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the deck, you know, so this is
good.

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I'm, I'm pumped.
I'm like soccer.

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I just I don't want to get ahead
of myself.

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But last year undefeated.
Don't want to say that was

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because of me.
Are you?

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Gonna jinx, Gonna jinx us.
Oh man, but we were just like.

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But you had, you had Eli and.
We don't have Eli.

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Eli did not play last.
Year.

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Oh, he didn't.
He's playing this year, but he

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did not.
But wait, Jaden, we had Eli.

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Will be too old.
He'll be too old, yeah.

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Jaden was very good.
He was second grade to older.

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We had Ty who he's got a cannon
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Ty, who played on her basketball
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Oh yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.

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And we had.
I don't know if you know Elva.

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She's like a tall girl who 2nd
grade we had like 3 or 4 second

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graders.
I think we just so Ty Brown.

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We just so happened to have like
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very good.
Like Ty has a cannon.

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Jaden's very fast Ella probably
I mean, definitely the best girl

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in second grade, just as good as
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And then Simeon Gilbert's son
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sometimes I was like, man, I
wonder if he like he I don't

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think he's paying attention to
practice And then like goalie it

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it is.
It's so funny.

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Like it's like instinctual.
He would like automatically go

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in the right places.
Just like had those habits.

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He was he played goalie probably
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First we tried to get other
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like every game play at least
1/4 and he was really good.

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And that's a big part of and
that age group got a bad goalie.

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You like goes through you want
people to play.

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But anyway, sorry, I just I'm
excited for I'm excited for this

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year.
It'll be fun.

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Yeah, that's good.
That's good.

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All right.
Well, we're going to need to be

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continuing.
Oh good.

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Abraham played soccer.
Abraham he probably.

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Some primitive form of.
Soccer, You know, I'm trying to

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think of some sport, but I
couldn't come up with anything

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funny on the fly.
I.

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Mean it's too bad he probably
spoke some Semitic language

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because you know ham so many
English puns he could have like

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ran with, you know, like.
Hamming it up.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, Abraham.
Yep, that's exactly right, you

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know.
Oh man, there's a story.

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So yeah.
Not the time.

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It's it's fine.
So there were two coaches,

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brothers and I thought their
last name was Ham.

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Oh, but it wasn't.
It wasn't so I was dropping my

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kids off.
I was like, hey, you see coach

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out there just hamming it up and
they're like, what are you

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talking about?
Like he's hamming it up.

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They're like, what?
His last name's Ham, you know,

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like Ham it up.
Like his last name is not Ham.

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That's like, great.
Did you?

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Did you, were you talking to him
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That'd be great.
Be like this Michael guy just

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really like loves pork.
He was, he was on the outside of

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the car, so thankfully it wasn't
that awkward.

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It's good.
Awkward, yeah.

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Awkwardness.
Talk about an awkward situation.

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Yeah, Abraham, more, maybe,
probably more than awkward, had

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some missteps along the way.
He did, yeah.

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Great promises.
Great, great faith.

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Yeah.
And then, like, what are you

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doing, bro?
So bro, that's what that's what

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they probably said to him, bro.
Probably it's do you know, you

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know, these things like go in
and out of style.

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It probably was like in style
that many years, 2000 years ago.

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So anyway, I'm excited to keep
on this conversation on Abraham.

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Let's go ahead and take it to
the next level.

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From the hearts of the Low
Country in South Carolina.

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It's the Take Two podcast where
we take theology to the next

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level.
Last time we talked about who is

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Abraham?
Yeah, and we talked about, you

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know, which, uh, is it the
goddess, The southern one or the

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northern one?
Probably the southern one, yeah,

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Even if someone added of the
Chaldeans later, just to

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distinguish, yeah, which one it
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Makes sense?
Came up with his father who

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died.
Tara died at Heron.

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That's right.
I think Heron was Tara's

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father's name, so they must have
named it after.

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The Oh yeah, yeah, probably went
up that Euphrates River kind of

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going, you know, north and West.
Yeah, 'cause you, you gotta have

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water, so gotta have.
Water.

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H2O.
And you know what, I've probably

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getting ahead of ourselves, but
I did a lot of research today on

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Abraham kind of the next level
behind not just the story that

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you might get.
And it has never, I've never put

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two and two together that when
I, you know, the servant went

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back to get Isaac a wife, and
then when Jacob went back and

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worked and got Leah and Rachel.
Same.

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That was I always imagined that
as going down to earth

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Chaldeans, but it was back to
Haram.

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So they're.
Kind of going up.

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So they're kind of going.
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this is.
Why this podcast is good and I'm

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I'm talking to myself.
It's like getting that geography

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right.
In college I had it.

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There was like some electives
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should have taken the Bible
geography electric, but I

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didn't.
But that's like, that's helpful

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because it's like in your mind
where, what are we doing?

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Yeah.
So that was always when.

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Yeah.
So I was just looking up these

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place names.
I was like, oh, oh.

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So so that's where they are
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12, which is we're going, we're
going to get, and we're, we're

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going to have an episode on, on
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So we're not going to spend a
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verses, but this is the start of
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in 12 and then in 15 and then
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And then so it's, it's kind of
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go through.
But maybe Zach, if you want to

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read just those first, I think
it's like 3 verses that kind of

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give you the the covenant.
Let's do it verse 1 of chapter

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12.
Now the Lord said to Abram, Go

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forth from your country and from
your relatives, and from your

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father's house to the land which
I will show you, and I will make

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you a great nation, and I will
bless you and make your name

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great.
And so you shall be a blessing,

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and I will bless those who bless
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I will curse.
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the earth will be blessed.
What a great, what a great

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promise.
I like just the blessings abound

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and all the families of the
earth will be blessed.

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That's a good, that's a good
promise.

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It's the goyim are in there too,
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All right.
So this is how we know he's

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still in Haran because of these
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And, and, and I can't tell you
how many times I've read this

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and you just, I don't know about
the how, how your mind just

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skips over some of these details
like you know, you, you should,

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because I'm already thinking
he's already there because it

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kind of traces it a little bit
back, kind of gives you a

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summary at the end of Chapter
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But then in this one it says, so
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spoken to him.
And you're wondering was 11 kind

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of like a summary?
Sorry, I'm interrupting myself.

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And now 12 is kind of kind of
going back and saying, all

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right, this is what the Lord
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in 11.
But it says, and Abram went

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forth as the Lord had spoken to
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Now, Abraham was 75 years old
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he's just now leaving 75.
So like he is, he's way older

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than us.
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And heading out.

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It's like Pastor Joel saying
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That's.
Crazy Abram took Sarai his wife,

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and Lot his nephew, in all their
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accumulated and the persons
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Haran, and they set out for the
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Thus they came to the land of
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Abram was passed.
Pardon me.

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Abram passed through the land as
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the oak of Mora.
Now the Canaanite was then in

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the land.
The Lord appeared to Abram and

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said to your descendants, I will
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So he built an offer there to
the Lord who had appeared to

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him.
Then he proceeded from there to

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the mountain on the east of
Bethel and pinched his tent with

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Bethel on the West and IA on the
east.

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And there he built an altar of
the Lord and called upon the

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name of the Lord Abraham.
Abraham journeyed on, continuing

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toward the Negev.
So a lot of details there about

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geography, but basically if
you're envisioning a map and

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maybe we can put a map up there,
we said we were going to put a

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map in the last Abraham one.
And then I produced it without

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hearing that because that's not
only my trigger to go yeah, we

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still going to put a map up.
So maybe we'll we'll do better

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and and put a map up.
I put actually, I put a map in

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my folder.
So I'll see, sorry editing it,

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but you know, he's coming down
like if this is the the Sea of

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Galilee and the Jordan, from
what I understand, he's coming

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around over here and then he's
coming back down to where

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present day Jerusalem would be.
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South, but probably, yeah, he's
going up in in elevation because

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you'll see that a lot.
Anything else you notice here?

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No, I love it. 75 We mentioned
it last time, Called upon the

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name of the Lord, called upon
the name of the Lord.

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This this is good.
I think that does help.

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I love like oaks were very like
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You always you always like and
especially in this like Abraham

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story, you hear a lot about, you
know, the oak of mammary.

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You have these these oaks that
were like, you know, the kind

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of, I guess visuals because
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Not a lot of those kind of
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It's like.
You probably see it's like, oh,

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this is Angel Oak, you know,
it's like something that's very

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prominent.
But anyway, I I think we got it.

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The only thing other thing I
noticed is way back in the

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beginning verse one, it says go
forth from your country and from

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your relatives and from your
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So I wonder how many people,
yeah, went there knowing that he

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sent people back four wives.
So it may be a lot here because

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I I initially thought.
But not a lot.

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But not a.
Lot.

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Back but not a.
Lot, yeah.

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So he took, he took a lot with
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maybe he's slightly disobeying

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by taking a lot with him.
But if there's a whole bunch and

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maybe Lot kind of fell under his
care because I think Lot's

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father has passed away.
Meant a lot.

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I feel like he's just like
always just kind of like thrown

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in there.
It's like just not and his name,

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let's be honest, it just like so
like just a lot, you know, I

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didn't get a good name.
Yeah.

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Well, you know, it's hard to
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Like, what would that have
sounded like in their language,

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you know?
Yeah.

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All right.
So we see in this past what

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you've read, this kind of first
covenantal promise, and we're

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going to go through that more.
But you do notice that there's

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land, nation and blessing there.
And you see, like we said, 75

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year old Abram trucking out.
He's going to obey.

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That's amazing.
I mean, it'd be, it'd be tough

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to say, you know, 30-40
something, 50 something person

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you've got like your whole life,
you've established somewhere 75

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man, you've like really, you
know, probably are not wanting

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to say, hey, let's go
everywhere.

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He's going to live around 1:20.
Is that right?

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I know Moses lives to 120.
I think in Abraham is about that

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same, so it's not like he's at
like 20 or 30 years.

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Right, right.
Yeah. 4040 years maybe.

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And we talked about this last
time, you know, Tara died in

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Haran and they, you wonder, did
Tara like go as far as he could

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and then died?
And then they kind of hung out

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there.
And he's got to say, you know,

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we just don't have all those
details.

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But it does ask, you know, perks
up questions.

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Man, and then, you know, we had
some reference in there to

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Canaan, talked about the
Canaanite people.

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They were in the land at that
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You know, it'd be interesting to
know, you know, I mean, if you

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read the keep on reading in the
Bible, you get all the different

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people groups in there, you
know, that we're also familiar

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with.
But it'd be interesting to know

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as he's kind of how many people
are with Abram and who's he

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encountering?
Like how's that going be like,

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Hey, here's my altar here.
I'm calling on the name of the

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Lord.
Yeah, Yeah.

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We do know that, you know, you
can think like, oh, this is like

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a present day nation where the
density is kind of uniform, but

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we know they're like city
states.

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Yeah.
Yeah.

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So you wonder how you know how
many of those city states were

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there?
How many there were And it's

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like, you know, once you go
through two or three, I feel

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like word starts to spread a is
like or, you know, people are

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like, Hey, just have you seen
this Abraham Abram guy?

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He's been, you know, I'm saying
this things and I don't know,

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you know, you kind of get this
maybe groundswell.

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And then did it say how many?
Was it 75?

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Did it say how many?
No, just as well.

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I think we'll get that in the
next one.

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We'll get it.
All right.

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So then in verse 10, we're told
there's a famine man.

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And so I think probably my take
on geography could be wrong.

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He's about halfway between Haran
and Egypt, right?

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Oh, yeah, you would.
I mean, I'm not.

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I don't know why I said Oh yes,
so confidently.

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It seems like that's very
reasonable based on like, you

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know?
And maybe Haran is slightly

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further away.
So you think there's a famine,

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You don't have any food.
What do I do?

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Maybe he thinks if I go back to
Haran, that's just like ultimate

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disobedience, like.
Yeah, I'm like, I'm literally

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turning back.
Yeah.

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So maybe he's like, I'll just
keep going further down South.

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Yeah, maybe he was just in
denial or he wanted to go to

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denial.
Yeah.

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And I.
Also read that like 2 or 300

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years before Abram came into
this area, Egypt had like this

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huge control over this area and
the city states would have had

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to pay tribute to Egypt and
stuff.

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And then Egypt's central power
collapses, and they have a bunch

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of minor rulers, kind of have
regional rulers after that.

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And so because their central
power dies down, they don't

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really have the power to exert
over oh, yeah, they can't.

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And so now these people have
more free reign, more free

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reign.
And before, maybe they were

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under some oppression.
And now it's kind of like, hey,

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the empire's not where it was.
OK, Very good.

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I'll pick up in verse 10.
I'll read this paragraph.

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Yeah.
Yeah.

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OK.
Now there is a famine in the

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land.
So Abram went down to Egypt to

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sojourn there, for the famine
was severe in the land.

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It came about when he came near
to Egypt and he said to Sarah

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Sarai, his wife, See, now I know
that you are a beautiful woman.

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When the Egyptians see you, they
will say this is his wife and

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they will kill me, but they'll
let you live.

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Please say that you're my
sister, so that may go well with

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me because of you, and that I
may live on account of you.

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It came about when Abram came
into Egypt.

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The Egyptians saw that the woman
was very beautiful.

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Pharaoh's official saw her and
praised her to Pharaoh, and the

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woman was taken into Pharaoh's
house.

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Therefore he treated Abram well
for her sake and gave him sheep,

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Ben oxen, and donkeys and male
and female servants and female

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donkeys and camels.
But the Lord struck Pharaoh in

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his house with great plagues
because of Sarah, Abram's wife.

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And Pharaoh called.
Abram said, What is this that

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you've done to me?
Why didn't you tell me that she

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was your wife?
Why did you say she's my sister?

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So that I took her for my wife.
Now then, here's your wife, take

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her and go.
Pharaoh commanded his men

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concerning him and they escorted
him away with his wife and all

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that belonged to him.
So what a what a story.

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It's kind of hard to put
yourself in this position just

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with cultures being so different
and the fears and traveling

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because.
You know.

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What's what's going on?
Yeah, I was trying to.

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See, do we are we told how old
Sarah is?

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I, I mean, I think she's maybe
just a few years younger than

449
00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:13,960
him.
Maybe.

450
00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:15,600
I don't.
Know, but you know so.

451
00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:19,320
Let's say 65 year old.
Maybe.

452
00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:22,120
And she's so beautiful.
Abraham is.

453
00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:24,720
I've never thought about that.
Yeah, 'cause you're right,

454
00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:28,680
presumably semi.
I mean, obviously she's got to

455
00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:31,760
be like outside child bearing
age like 20 years from now or

456
00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:34,440
whatever.
So you, I mean at some level at

457
00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:37,560
the yeah, that cause everyone's
saying it's not just Abraham's

458
00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:38,600
like, oh honey, you're
beautiful.

459
00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:40,040
And then she was like, no, no,
no.

460
00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:41,440
It's like, yeah, everyone's
saying that.

461
00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:43,080
And he and he didn't.
Did he lie?

462
00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:45,440
Yeah, right.
That's like the, that's like the

463
00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:46,840
class.
It's like 1/2 truth.

464
00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:49,440
Like technically, you know,
Yeah, so apparently.

465
00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:54,200
They have the same father, but
different mothers.

466
00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:55,280
Is that right?
I I think I.

467
00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:57,200
Think that's exactly it.
So it's like, you know, you

468
00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:00,240
could see how you might justify
your justify it in his mind and

469
00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:01,920
say, OK, we're not telling a
total lie.

470
00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:05,040
It's like true.
We'll just like omit really

471
00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:06,640
important part of part of this,
yeah.

472
00:22:07,120 --> 00:22:11,240
And it's also weird because we
just got through the covenant

473
00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:16,680
and got us saying, I'm going to
bless all the nations through

474
00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:18,560
your descendants.
Yeah.

475
00:22:19,120 --> 00:22:23,280
And now he's like, here, take
Sarah as your wife, Pharaoh.

476
00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:25,360
And it's like, what?
What's going to happen to your

477
00:22:25,360 --> 00:22:27,400
descendants, Abram?
You know, so.

478
00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:28,360
So.
Interesting.

479
00:22:28,360 --> 00:22:32,320
And you have to think like, man,
isn't it good in Scripture that

480
00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:35,000
these things are like,
juxtaposed right there 'cause it

481
00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:38,360
kind of aligns with maybe our
experiences in different ways.

482
00:22:38,360 --> 00:22:41,360
You know, it's how you.
Know how God has kept them in

483
00:22:41,360 --> 00:22:44,120
there.
So I guess some questions for

484
00:22:44,120 --> 00:22:49,240
you Zach the the all knowing
Zach did Abraham or Abraham

485
00:22:49,360 --> 00:22:54,880
Abraham Abraham sin by going
into like going to Egypt?

486
00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:56,600
In the 1st place, yeah.
Was that?

487
00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,200
Was was he demonstrating a lack
of trust?

488
00:23:00,120 --> 00:23:03,200
That that's a good question.
You know, I think on one level

489
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:06,680
that everyone says, hey, you
read about Egypt and Scripture,

490
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,760
it represents sin like all the
time, right?

491
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:12,680
As like a global, a global
reason.

492
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:16,200
So the option would be, hey,
there's a famine, you just trust

493
00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:18,320
God and stay in Canaan.
That's the alternative

494
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:20,240
basically.
Yeah, I get.

495
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:24,960
Yeah, or maybe go out to the
Mediterranean Sea.

496
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:29,040
Yeah, maybe proto Philistines
are there.

497
00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:30,760
I don't know.
You know, it's hard to know

498
00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:33,640
who's there.
I would.

499
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:37,960
I would think that you might
find more food closer to the

500
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:39,160
Mediterranean.
I don't know.

501
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,360
Yeah, right.
I mean, my, my gut would would

502
00:23:42,360 --> 00:23:46,920
say the way everything is
framed, not a great, not a great

503
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:48,000
thing.
Like probably should have done

504
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:49,960
it, but I don't.
I don't know that's explicit.

505
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:54,320
He's not.
He's maybe 3 or 4 days South of

506
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:58,640
Galilee.
So you may be thinking, yeah,

507
00:23:58,800 --> 00:23:59,840
right.
Yeah, that's right.

508
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,240
So yeah, it's hard.
It's hard to know if if this was

509
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:05,280
just like, hey, let's just go
where everyone else is going.

510
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:07,200
Everyone else is going down to
Egypt, let's go down to Egypt to

511
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,000
get food.
We just don't have that context.

512
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:14,160
But I think the odds on favor
are probably he's demonstrating

513
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:15,400
a lack of faith.
It's bad.

514
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:16,480
News.
And I wonder, like, you're

515
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,400
making your way down, you're
passing through different, like,

516
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:22,000
people, groups, Bedouins,
whatever.

517
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:24,360
And they're, and they're just
like, bro, you're going to

518
00:24:24,360 --> 00:24:26,600
Egypt.
Pharaoh is gonna take your like,

519
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:28,440
I don't know, Like he's like,
he's just thinking about this.

520
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:30,920
Like, oh, man, this is not good.
Like he's getting warned.

521
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:34,320
Like, just so you know, this is,
this is not gonna be great

522
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:38,800
'cause then, I mean, he, he
clearly does not tell the full

523
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:39,680
truth.
Yeah.

524
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,240
Yeah, she's my half sister, but
we are married.

525
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,720
The other thing is in a couple
chapters, and this will be our

526
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:54,440
next episode, so teaser, Yeah,
we're gonna see Abram get his

527
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:56,520
army of men.
Yeah, that's interesting.

528
00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,920
And.
Pursue these people and rescue

529
00:24:59,920 --> 00:25:01,520
Lot.
And I'm like, pretty powerful.

530
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:03,920
Maybe that was, you know, the
only.

531
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,760
Yeah.
So there's this other

532
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:10,480
juxtaposition of Abraham being
so fearful that he's going to

533
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,480
give up Sarai.
But then on the other hand.

534
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:16,400
He's like chasing down these
kings.

535
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:18,600
Yeah, that's a lot, lots of
ponder.

536
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:20,360
I don't know if I've ever like
thought about all of that

537
00:25:20,360 --> 00:25:25,960
together, but that that that's
really good, man.

538
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,280
And and he goes with just say,
say you're my sister.

539
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:30,480
Like, were there any other, I
mean, maybe he picked that

540
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:32,240
specifically because it was 1/2
truth.

541
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,160
Were there any other card like
any other cards he could have

542
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,360
said?
Yeah, well, and, and this is one

543
00:25:37,360 --> 00:25:39,840
of the things I wanted to look
up 12, Five says.

544
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,800
All of his people went down with
him, right?

545
00:25:43,120 --> 00:25:45,600
Over in.
In into from Haran.

546
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:51,120
So let's see.
Let's see.

547
00:25:51,120 --> 00:25:54,720
And it came about in Egypt.
Yeah, I guess it doesn't say who

548
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,720
all went with him down to Egypt.
It could have could it have been

549
00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:01,600
just him and his?
Let's see.

550
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,760
I mean, maybe.
He's going there to, yeah, get

551
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:06,960
food to, I mean, bring, I don't
know.

552
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:11,280
Yeah, we just.
If we, if, you know, we, we see

553
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,320
Moses, we just need to say, hey,
give us a little more details

554
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:15,840
next time.
Hey, yeah.

555
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:17,400
Would it hurt?
You to write a extra book in

556
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:19,000
there.
You know, we got the Pentateuch.

557
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:20,200
Let's make it, you know, one
more.

558
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:21,760
Yeah.
The yeah, whatever.

559
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:23,040
The sextitute.
Yeah.

560
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,600
All right.
So anything else on this section

561
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,200
on Abraham?
No, I, I, I.

562
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,480
Think you know, we see plagues
happen instantly.

563
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:38,200
Pharaoh's not loving this.
Sarah is protected even though

564
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,880
Abraham's not protecting her and
Pharaoh, Pharaoh's not loving

565
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:43,600
it.
I mean, Pharaoh's the one who

566
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,040
recognizes like, hey, I don't
want to get on the bad side

567
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:47,880
here.
You know of of what's going on,

568
00:26:48,120 --> 00:26:49,160
that is.
Interesting.

569
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:55,800
And it's also interesting if
Abraham openly worshipped Yahweh

570
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:59,120
there, if there would have been
something in Pharaoh's mind

571
00:26:59,120 --> 00:27:01,720
like, hey, you know, I know
you're from this land.

572
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:05,480
I don't want to, you know, make
trouble with your God type of

573
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,640
thing.
Try try to try to get in their

574
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:12,920
mind, trying to understand what
they would do we'd so you're

575
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:14,680
kind of getting some of the
takeaways there.

576
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,520
You know, one of them is God's
sovereign plan.

577
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:24,280
He's made this promise and it's
like immediately, you know,

578
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:27,200
whether it's Abraham or Satan or
something that's trying to test

579
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:31,240
God's promise, it's like it
looks like it's in jeopardy and

580
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,960
God's like, no, we're not going
to let this happen.

581
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:35,960
And this is not the first time
you see this in Scripture.

582
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:37,800
It seems like, you know, you
see, you see this kind of thing

583
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:41,440
where it's like, man, it's so
hard to demonstrate that that

584
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,720
faith where you always just, you
know, tell yourself a lie or

585
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:46,560
don't believe it.
Something else looks better and

586
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:50,440
you kind of go the wrong way, do
the wrong thing, even in spite

587
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,600
of God's, God's goodness He's
given to us.

588
00:27:54,440 --> 00:28:01,240
All right, so that is this
section in Genesis, we do have

589
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:04,200
some tie insurance from other
scriptures.

590
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:09,880
We do see like Hebrews 11/8
faith chapter is going to

591
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:13,680
mention Abram's faith in spite
of these things, these

592
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,160
shortcomings.
By faith Abraham was when he was

593
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:20,520
called, he obeyed, going out to
a place which he was received

594
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:22,640
for an inheritance, and he went
out not knowing where he was

595
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,600
going.
By faith he lived as an alien in

596
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:29,640
the land of promise, as in a
foreign land, dwelling in tents

597
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:33,040
with Isaac and Jacob, fellow
heirs of the same promise, for

598
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,480
he was looking for a city which
has foundations.

599
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,360
His architect and builder is
God.

600
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,080
Kind of classic passage on it.
Abram Yeah, so so.

601
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:42,920
Good.
I I like this one you have here

602
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:47,040
with Psalm 105 because you know
it, it fits in nicely here.

603
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:48,760
I'll go ahead and read verses 13
through 15.

604
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,640
And they wondered about from
nation to nation, from one

605
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,880
Kingdom to another people.
He permitted no man to oppress

606
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:56,840
them, and he reproved kings for
their sakes.

607
00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:01,800
Do not touch my anointed ones
and do my profits no harm.

608
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,440
So thinking about, you know.
Maybe.

609
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,440
Generic in one sense, but
clearly relating to the

610
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,000
patriarchs like, you know, in
the wilderness going these

611
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,000
different ways and how you know
God protected them.

612
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:18,680
All right, And our last New
Testament reference, Galatians

613
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:23,800
3, six through 9, says Even so,
Abraham believed God and was

614
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:25,560
reckoned to him as
righteousness.

615
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,880
It's also quoted in Romans.
Therefore, be sure that it is

616
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,360
those who are of faith who are
sons of Abraham.

617
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:33,880
The Scripture foreseeing that
God would justify the Gentiles

618
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:38,560
by faith, preach the gospel
beforehand to Abraham saying all

619
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:40,560
the nations will be blessed in
you.

620
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:44,720
So then those who are of the
faith are blessed with Abraham

621
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:48,320
the believer.
So kind of tying back to this

622
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,560
covenant that we're going to
look more closely at that's

623
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:52,280
right in the future podcast, you
know I'm.

624
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,920
And to keep teasing the next
one, I next episode is one of

625
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,920
those like crazy stories.
I'm looking forward to kind of

626
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,760
talking about that more because
it's like kings you don't

627
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,960
recognize and places and tar
pits and you know, it's great.

628
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,120
You know, it's all this all this
insane stuff and we.

629
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:11,600
Might mention the word Nephilim
in that episode.

630
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:12,960
Yeah.
Yeah, I, I.

631
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:14,920
Said this in a comment.
I feel like if you look in the

632
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:18,920
mirror and say Nephilim 3 times
clay thrower Pierce he just

633
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:20,640
looks like bloody Mary but
nephilim style.

634
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:24,880
Yeah, we'll probably get a
comment on on this one.

635
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,000
I heard Nephilim, so yeah,
that'd be good.

636
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:29,200
This will be a test.
That's right.

637
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,000
See how far he makes it into the
podcast.

638
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:34,640
We're watching you.
I'm waiting for you.

639
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,400
All right, anything else on this
episode?

640
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:39,480
No, I think we're.
Good.

641
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:41,560
All right.
That's our take.

642
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:44,520
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643
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,160
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