Abraham | The War of the Kings: Giants, Tar Pits, and Abraham’s Shadow War

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All right, Zach, Yeah.
Got a little quiz for you.

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Oh.
Man.

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So I was reading this that we're
going to talk about.

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Oh, nervous.
And there is a name of a place

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in here.
Oh boy.

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That is in some fiction writing.
But it just occurred to me like

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how often are biblical names?
And I'm not talking about like

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your kind of ones who have
reached in the comic coming out.

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Like you can find lots of Davids
and Matthews and Johns and

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stuff.
But like some of the more

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obscure places and names.
And it's it's a subjective call.

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I want to obscure or not.
But maybe I was thinking maybe

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how many you can name that have
made it into like books?

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Popular.
Culture, Bible names of people

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or places.
Yeah, man.

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Great.
So you got to think of people a

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little bit off the beaten path
maybe.

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I mean, maybe they're common
stores, but names that are or

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places that are not.
Totally.

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One of my favorite places in the
Bible is Middle Earth.

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Read about that a lot.
Let's see.

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So one of the names of Aragorn,
his Elva name is a lesser.

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And there's a place in the
Bible.

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It's not spelled exactly the
same, but it looks like it's

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pronounced exactly the same a
lesser.

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OK, there you go.
Let me think if I can think of,

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I'm trying.
So can we think of Lord of the

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Rings specifically?
There's some.

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I don't know anymore in Lord.
Of the rings.

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OK, give me.
Will that give it away if you

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give me a story?
Maybe Moby Dick.

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Oh, locked.
OK.

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I don't know a lot about it.
Oh, let's see.

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I don't know.
OK all.

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Right.
So the the narrator, it's kind

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of first person, well, not first
or second person.

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Like I did this, I did this.
I guess that is first person.

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His name is Ishmael.
Ishmael.

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The captain is Captain Ahab.
OK, yeah.

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So we're picking, you know,
maybe not everyone's favorite

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characters here.
Yeah.

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Sure.
Jeroboam is the name of a ship

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in Moby Dick.
Rachel is a whaling ship in Moby

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Dick.
Peleg is the name of a Quaker

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owner in Moby Dick.
So so Herman Melville went all

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out in these biblical
references.

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The one we're going to get
today.

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There's like one of the kings is
from Shinar and that is a a

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place in the will of time.
So if you've read through the

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Will of Time series.
Love the will of time.

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Love it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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All 1314 books.
So good.

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Yeah, so good.
What's what, when where did what

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era or what is it different like
universe, world?

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This takes place will of time.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, OK.
That's all I need to know.

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Yeah.
There is like the Steinbeck

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novel East of Eden.
OK, I recognize this.

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Yeah.
Megiddo is in the Omega Code.

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Oh, OK Omega Code 2.
Just some others.

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Nineveh is title setting for
plays and novels.

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Many.
I guess there's more.

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Babel was a 2006.
Film, yeah.

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Nebuchadnezzar, the name of
Morpheus's ship in the Matrix.

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Oh yeah, Matrix got a lot of
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Parallels.
Yeah, yeah.

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Interstellar.
Interstellar in the book of Eli,

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both mention a Methuselah.
OK, I think Yeah, well, yeah.

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So they're they're they're
Babylon.

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Armageddon, Lilith.
OK, yeah, I'm, I'm good.

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Did.
Did.

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It dropped out but came back.
OK, All right.

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Do we trust it to keep going?
I think it'll be fine.

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All right, one of our many
technological issues that's.

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Great.
You know, maybe, maybe do you

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think when we started saying
like Middle Earth, it like it

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tuned out?
Maybe when I said, you know, a

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Polygon or or Armageddon, it was
like, whoa.

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That's great.
You know, pulling from, that's a

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deep cut to pull from these
kings.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You know, that's not what

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you're, you know, great.
Yeah, So, yeah.

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So I think we're excited for
this episode.

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I'm.
Excited because I think this

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gives a lot of context.
You know, it's something me

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growing up like familiar with
this account, but not really.

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You kind of are like in my mind,
I'm like, what's a tar pit?

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I don't it's like you don't
have, it's not like, you see, I

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mean, I know what asphalt is.
It's just, it's like some of

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this stuff is like, not as a
kid, it's just a little bit

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different, you know?
Yeah, it does it different.

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All right, so we're going to
talk about these kings and take

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it to the next level.
From the hearts of the Low

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Country in South Carolina.
It's the Take Two podcast where

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we take theology to the next
level.

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Genesis 14.
What an epic story.

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Yeah.
So last time we kind of talked

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about 12.
That's right.

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Skipping 13 for the most part.
That's right.

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That's a little bit interesting
Lot in Abraham divide the land,

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but nothing major.
Lot just gets mad.

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It's just like there's not a
whole, I guess it's, it's the

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redeeming quality of Lot's.
Like he like latched onto Abram,

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like, like, like every time, you
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He's in Hebrews as a person of
faith, and it's like.

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Yeah, that's, that is something,
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Because he does not get a lot of
love in chapter 13.

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He just looks very.
I mean, I'm sure I don't know

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how the conversation goes, but
it always, you know, gets picked

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like, well, Abram was like so
kind and saying hey, pick and

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he's like, I want the best
today.

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And no matter what, even maybe
it maybe it wasn't that harsh.

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Maybe it was like, you know,
some more back and forth.

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But yeah, yeah, you know.
And then he gets kind of some

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forbidden love later on and it's
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Yeah, not, not, not great.
So we're I don't think we're

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going to do a three-part series
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like we're just going.
We need to really dive into the

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motivations that's going on
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Yeah, no, we'll probably just
kind of skip that.

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I think I've shared this before,
but we were doing this Bible

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study plan and I had to go
unravel for work.

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And so the very first night that
I'm not there, Jill is with like

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Chloe and Lydia and they're
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grade and Paris's, you know,
kindergarten or something.

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And it's, and it's this story
about what it's.

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Great.
They're like, So what happened?

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Yeah, like.
Oh, that's gross.

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Well, we we are on chapter 14
where you know, a flat gives me

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PTSD from Ezra Nehemiah and
reading these names, you know.

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Joel, he read through these
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He did a pretty good job.
So we got these 4 kings from the

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East. 4 kings from the East,
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One of them is kind of southern,
maybe like around Babylon.

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OK, I thought you're about to
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name.
Like it like sounded southern

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but I got.
You literally, yeah.

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But yeah, literally I think he's
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southern Iraq, that kind of
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But some a lot of them seem to
be coming over from like

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northern Iraq and and over like
so that Mesopotamia general area

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maybe slightly east and of of
Haran and.

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And you made this point last
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know, different city states
where it's not like, you know,

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15 cities that are all connected
politically and they're all,

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it's like every city state
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autonomy and sovereignty and
would look to trade with other

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nations, have their own king.
And it's like more maybe

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centralized in one spot.
And so, you know, that that's a

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little different than like, it's
not like Russia and the US and

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China, you know, are getting
together for a war.

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But still we got these, you
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And I do have a map of this as
well, a kind of their journey.

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And so what's going to happen
with these kings is they are

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going to come around and almost
kind of follow Abraham's path.

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That was helpful, pastors, that
map that showed everything.

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Yeah.
So they're going to come around

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like if this is, let's say this
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point it, but I don't know where
it's going to be.

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So I don't know where my.
Heart's going to be.

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But you can see on this map I'm
showing that they're going to

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come down and really go on the
western side of the Jordan

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River, and they're going to
fight several little nation

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states along that way until they
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like South, almost into Saudi
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They got some people.
They take care there.

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And then they start working
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side of the Jordan River.
And that's where they come into

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the five cities that will be
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I think Genesis 19, Sodom,
Gomorrah, Tyre, Zoar and one

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other, they go by the Tyre, Tyre
and Zoar, they have different

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names, but it's those cities.
And then they're going to kind

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of go keep going North East of
Galilee and start heading up

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kind of where present day were
not present day, but where the

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Samaritans would be kind of
headed towards Damascus.

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Well, while they're on their way
there, that's where Abraham is

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going to assail them and kind of
win Lot back.

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Oh, that's good.
Big.

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Overview Overview.
Yeah, that's, that's super

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helpful.
So if we're starting like this,

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well, do you want you want to
read their names, Michael, just

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so people can appreciate it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Let's let's give this a, a go.
MMM.

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Raphael King of Shinar.
Love it.

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This is the this is the thing
that the the Shinar.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Ariat, King of Alessar, which is

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the name that I told you about
Aragon.

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That's right, yeah.
And I've seen this as cheh and

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keh, but I think it's keh.
I think it's AK sound.

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I think it is AK sound.
Kedor Lamer.

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Kedor Lamer.
Sounds good.

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Name of Elam and title King of
Goem.

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And Goem here is just the word
for nation.

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So we don't really have a lot of
information about where he's

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coming from.
And we talked about kind of the

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campaign path down the eastern
side of the Jordan, down in the

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Negev.
And, and this and this is where

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where if your name is Claythor,
your ears start to perk up a

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little bit because you start in,
in my, I never can memorize all

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of them.
But it's like, if you hear those

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Eames, those anakims, those
raphi Eames, that's a good sign

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that you might be in a Nephilim
territory.

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Exactly.
And you listen to the first

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three of the places.
So as they're going down the

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eastern side of the Jordan, they
get the Raphaim in Astaroth

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Carnium.
So these are people who probably

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serve Asharath, that female guy
that that connection is crazy.

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The the Ashdraff Poles, the
Zuzim in Ham, possibly the Zam

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Zoom men of Deuteronomy 220 they
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If it is those people.
Giant people.

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Yeah.
So maybe that's like a

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shortening or a different way to
say reference them.

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I mean it would make makes makes
sense.

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And the Raphae, the Raphaeim are
giants, purportedly.

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That's right, 'cause I I think
Raphaeim.

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I can't remember which Raphaeim
or what the maybe next

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iterationist is kind of tied.
That's kind of tied to Goliath

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in a way.
Like with like there's some

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connection there like.
He's a descendant of them.

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Yeah, like exactly.
Imim probably where M&M came

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from.
Probably.

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EMIM in Shava Kiriathiaim and
these people are also mentioned

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in Deuteronomy 210 through 10210
through 11.

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And they were also noted for
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Horites, which are cave
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Then they're going to sweep
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the edge of the wilderness, turn
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in at in mash fat or Kadish and
the Amorites in Hazza zone

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Tamar, Hazza zone Tamar.
So Amalekites and the Amorites,

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so two different people as they
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going to go turn back up the
West side of Jordan and they're

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going to there's going to be a
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So this is where these five kind
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Sea with their tar pits, and
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And I, I will say this real
quick, like these, a lot of

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these people, you said, you
referenced them in Deuteronomy.

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It's just interesting that they
kind of like hang on for years

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and years and years.
And this is, these are the

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people that it's like, oh, why
the Israelites were so scared?

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Because they did have this
strength.

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And they're like, I don't know
about about these guys, even

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though they were with God and
they could like, you know, knock

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out these countries left or
these these nations, I mean left

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and right, but these people were
the ones.

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That made the 10 spies.
And that's why they did not

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that's why they, you know,
failed their test, essentially

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had to wander and then the pass.
It had to go through them

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eventually, but same same
people.

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It's like it's good to.
Connect those.

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But Moses, you know, got this on
his mind.

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Yeah, that is yeah, 'cause Moses
will be writing this.

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Yes, yeah, right.
After they had failed.

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Yeah, that is.
That's a good point.

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So now we're going to get to the
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And so we have these kings, the
five kings.

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So the four kings from the Far
East are going to face the five

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kings of the valley.
There's Bera of Sodom, Bersha of

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Gomorrah, Synab of Admah,
Shamember of Zeboim, and King of

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Bella or Zor.
And we're not, we're not given

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that King's name.
So there we see Sodom, Gomorrah,

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Zor, either Admah or Zeboim
would be Tyre 'cause we know

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Tyre is one of those, those five
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I'm not sure which one is those.
The five kings are routed.

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Some of the people as they're
fleeing fall into tar pits and

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you know, others escape.
And in that tumult, Sodom,

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Gomorrah is looted and Lot and
those cities goods are taken

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with those kings.
Now that that that's great.

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I would love to it just like I
want to know exactly like how

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like how big these tar pits were
where they were.

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I've like always like looked up
pictures of like tar pits and

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stuff.
You.

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I would just think that these
kings in the Jordan Valley would

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like use geography to their
advantage, you know, versus

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like, but maybe they were just
smaller and, you know, couldn't

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keep up or, or whatever.
But it it just like, it seems

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like a massive battle, like 4
kings versus 5.

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And it's like a lot going on.
Yeah, and you wonder how what

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their losses were along the way
if that played into Abraham

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being able to defeat them.
I don't.

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Know that that that's true.
Maybe it was about a lot of

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geography.
I mean it's like a lot of

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mileage is covered.
So then from here they kind of

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make make this retreat N
marching up the eastern side of

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the Jordan past the Sea of
Galilee toward Damascus.

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OK, so we're we're going around.
Someone escapes and alerts

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Abraham that Lot had been taken.
So Abraham is going to rally his

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troops. 318 trained men.
Yeah.

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Yeah.
Are they soldiers or are they

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shepherd soldiers?
We're not given, but we're just

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told they're trained and he's
going to ally himself with the

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Amorites, Honor, Eshkol and
Mammary.

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Mammary.
I know there's NOK there.

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Yeah, I always recognize Noko.
Mammary I It's interesting too,

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aligning himself with the
Amorites.

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Just, you know, just to think
about.

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Right.
Yeah.

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So we really can't get on to
David for.

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It's like I'm just Abraham.
Helping with the Philistines

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while pretending to help with
the Philistines while he's

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actually slaughtering them.
Because that is interesting if

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he's got, I mean, I guess he's
got all these other.

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He's got a good kind of, you
know, group of group of people

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with him.
If he's got 318, presumably,

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maybe they do too.
Maybe they're larger and right's

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probably have been there longer
than he has.

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So maybe he just has the maybe
people just like Abram because,

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you know, he's a good guy, you
know, and God's blessing him.

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Yeah, yeah.
And probably these people were

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like, if we don't stop this.
Yeah, what?

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What's going to stop them from
coming, getting us the next

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time?
Yeah.

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All right.
So tactical smartness, man.

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So we don't know who who the
genius is.

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Is it Abraham or someone he's
with?

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But they split up their forces
and they surround these folks

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and they kind of ambush them at
night.

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Man, near near Dan, which is
like you're getting pretty far

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up north there in Dan, Dan's
territory and things go well,

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ambush success.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So Lot is restored to his home,
Abraham and and they get a whole

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bunch of stuff.
Get all the stuff.

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Yeah, they get a lot of stuff.
That's right.

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And so Abraham is returning home
and you wonder because this is

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not necessarily on his path
there.

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Did you have a audio blip?
No it.

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Didn't OK.
This is not on his path, but he

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makes it down to Salem.
Yeah, interesting.

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Jerusalem.
So what do we know about Salem?

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It sounds a lot, I mean peace,
and it sounds a lot like J Roof

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Salem.
Yeah.

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So this is, you know, Salem is
kind of where present day

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Jerusalem is.
He's going to meet Melchizedek.

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We've done an episode on
Melchizedek.

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So you can go back and find that
the question is that we're

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trying to answer, is he a
Christophany or is he just a

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person kind of a type of crime?
But Abraham is going to give how

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I understand Scripture all of
his share, which is 110th of the

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total.
So it you could one verse you

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read, you think he gave 110th of
it and it's like, I'm going to

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tithe off of this 'cause I don't
want anyone to think I was made

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rich, but I'm like, you're
keeping 90%.

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But if you keep reading the full
context, I think his share was

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110th and so.
He gave.

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All of his 110th to Melchizedek.
I think that's the correct

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reading.
OK.

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And, and the trick is
Melchizedek, he is this priest

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the God knows high also he's
king of of Salem.

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So king of peace and king of
righteousness is what

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Melchizedek means versus he's a
king of peace.

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Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, All right.

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And so Joel came down on the
side of not a Christophany.

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We recorded that and we're like,
I think we were like maybe

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Christophany.
Have you where, where you, where

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do you stand today?
What percentage on one to 100

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Christophany?
I think it's very plausible.

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And what so did we, we had two
separate episodes on.

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We had one on, on, on Michael
and one on Melchizedek.

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Yeah, I feel like I was much
stronger on the Melchizedek

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versus Michael.
Plausible.

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Maybe not sold Melchizedek, I'm
not sold, but I think I lean in

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that direction of a
Christophany.

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I probably.
Lean that way too.

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And just to clarify on Michael
the Archangel, not to be

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confused with the Jehovah
Witness doctrine.

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We are not bringing Christ down
to Michael, but maybe suggesting

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that Michael was the Archangel
like the the proper name of the

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not pardon me, the Angel of the
Lord.

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Like Michael may have been the
name of the Angel of the Lord

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and so.
Was another name for God the

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Son.
That was what we were.

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Talking about yeah, it, it is.
So it's just interesting

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thinking about if you know,
Melchizedek, King of Salem, and

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then I don't know, I don't know,
you don't get all, you just

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don't get a whole lot of other.
So it's like he's there.

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Then he's not like Jebusites are
like there.

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I don't know.
It's like, you know, a

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Malachite.
You like come across all these

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names a lot, but it's like he's
there that he's not there.

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Yeah, and we get we get told
about him.

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He shows up with Abraham 2000 BC
and then 1000 BC Dave is going

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to reference him.
And then around 60 AD, the

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writer of Hebrews is going to
reference him.

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That's what you're on this.
Yeah.

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And that that's it.
Over thousands of years, not a

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whole lot.
It's very significant, but not

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not a lot.
Pastor Dole did mention this

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Temple 0, which is, you know,
some concrete, you know, proof

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of some something was happening
there with the altar and that

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kind of thing.
But yeah, so, so fascinating.

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That's all that happened, right?
It's so it's so interesting.

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Yeah.
Abraham Day, you got all these

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people just writing all about
it.

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Great.
I love doing that.

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That episode with Clay was
really, really good.

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All.
Right.

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And so that's really where the
story ends.

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He's going to go back.
But I thought we could maybe do

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a deep dive on these kings and
on the peoples.

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So I have a table in our notes
from these kings.

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So MMM Farfel and Raphel M
Raphel, king of Shinar would

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have been from southern
Mesopotamia and maybe Hammurabi

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Link, but it's less supported.
So we're trying to figure out

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where these kings came from.
Ariat, king of Elisar, the names

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means servant of the moon God
and so we think he's probably

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you know from this area maybe an
Amorite vassal.

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So Kedor Lamer, King of Elam,
Elamite royal type name and

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matches the Elamite usage.
And then we have title King of

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Goem, possibly some type of
Hittite or Gooshian leader.

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Goem just means nations that we
mentioned before.

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Just could be maybe a someone
they gathered in as part of the

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coalition to round up their
numbers.

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Very interesting.
Got some.

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I I like this little and it's
just such a different context,

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like having all these maybe a
little vassal kings to these

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suzerain kings and how there's
probably a lot of these nascent

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states, city states that just
like served the other one kinda

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and have played up paid a lot of
tribute, big ones, the little

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ones.
But that's so interesting.

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So based on this chart back in
the day, it's like, oh, Hammer,

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Robbie, people thought that was
more connected.

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And then as more maybe
archaeological evidence or

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whatever has come to light,
they're like, OK, maybe we just

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said Hammurabi because that's
like the only person it just,

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you know it, you know, that kind
of thing.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Cool and it and it says these

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people are like Amorite and
Hittites, but they must have

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been of that lineage but moved
east.

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But they're coming back.
I I don't understand why they

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would fight against you know, so
I'm not a near ancient near

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Eastern expert and and you're
not either or are you you.

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Don't know me.
You don't know that.

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Don't make judgments.
No, but definitely, definitely

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not.
But what and what I'm also not

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is a expert on nepheline.
Yeah, yeah.

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But Raphaim and their neighbors,
that, that is fascinating.

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Yeah, this, I thought this was
very fascinating.

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So we kind of alluded to this at
the beginning, but this

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Mesopotamian coalition, they
March into Canaan in Genesis 14.

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And do they have a beef to pick
with Sodom, Gomorrah?

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Yes, because those kings had
stopped paying tribute.

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We're told that explicitly, kind
of.

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But they.
Don't go right there.

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And the people they go after are
at least the three people.

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And if you read some of the more
current supposed Nephilim

447
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encounters, they happen in caves
and the fourth people are cave

448
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:45,560
dwellers.
So the fourth people, the

449
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:48,240
Horites are not necessarily
known to be.

450
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:52,000
They're not stated to be like
large like giants like the other

451
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,200
three, but they're told to be
cave dwellers.

452
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:57,720
So you might have these like,
you know, people who have, you

453
00:24:57,720 --> 00:24:59,840
know, good cave tactics and
stuff and fighting.

454
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:03,040
Yeah, yeah, yeah, very, very
interesting.

455
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:07,840
And it's like all these things,
I think it's hard to lean on one

456
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:11,280
of these arguments super hard.
But there's like 18 argument.

457
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:13,680
It's it's just like you stack
them up and you're like, OK,

458
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:16,640
maybe not any of these one
things I love 100%, but it's

459
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:18,480
like, man, you put them all
together and it's kind of, it's

460
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,160
very compelling.
Yeah and when I was doing this

461
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:22,920
research and like I, you know,
I'll do some research, I'll find

462
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,200
something on the website, I'll
throw it in and I'll talk to

463
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:28,960
ChatGPT about it and and Chet
GPT used.

464
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,720
I almost said he I don't want to
say he don't personify him.

465
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,840
Use this word bread crumbs,
bread crumbs.

466
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:35,720
And it's like.
Yeah, that's right.

467
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,160
That's a good sign for it.
It's like, yeah, if we follow

468
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:42,080
the bread crumbs, it seems like
Moses is saying something that

469
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:45,760
his audience would have been
familiar with at the time that

470
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,480
we go, OK, are you trying to say
something?

471
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,600
Is there something going on
behind the scenes, which I think

472
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:53,880
maybe there is?
I, I, I think you're probably

473
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:55,600
right.
So let's, let's talk through

474
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:56,920
these again.
We've talked about a little bit,

475
00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:00,400
but the Raphaim repeatedly
LinkedIn the Old Testament with

476
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,680
that height, with that strength.
We've referenced Genesis 2

477
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:05,920
several times.
It says to the about the

478
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:07,360
Raphaim.
They were great, numerous and

479
00:26:07,360 --> 00:26:11,960
tall like that Anachem, which is
another, you know, giant group

480
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,680
too that maybe wasn't mentioned
in this group but mentioned in

481
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:18,240
numbers and then.
And you said just say, just just

482
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,200
to clarify, you said Genesis 2.
Oh, sorry, sorry.

483
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:22,520
Drug two.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

484
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:27,640
And then and then from the from
the Bible character drafts, you

485
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:29,520
know that, Cordell.
I love it.

486
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:32,640
Yeah.
Had that bed that was over 13

487
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:36,160
feet in Deuteronomy 3.
So presumably he just didn't

488
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,400
want a place to spread out.
But he was really, really tall.

489
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:42,360
Yeah, and he was reportedly the
last of the Raphaim.

490
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,680
Yeah, raphaeum, however it's
pronounced.

491
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:46,680
However, it is while, while
you're going through some of

492
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:48,240
this, I'm going to look up, I'm
going to, I'm going to try to

493
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:51,440
find the connection between
Goliath and the Raphaeum.

494
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,680
And then lastly, the Raphaeum,
they had a stronghold in

495
00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:02,440
Ashtaroth Karn name which
Karnaeim which is in Bashan,

496
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,840
which you know if you've read
through the Psalms and you know

497
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:10,520
you have OG king of Bashan.
This was called the giant

498
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:12,560
country.
And so it seems like this

499
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,240
coalition is like, you know
what, these people stop paying

500
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,760
tribute, but we should take out
these dangerous people too, or

501
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:22,800
at least reduce them in numbers.
So that's the Raphaim.

502
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:27,520
The second place that they hit
is the Zuzim in Ham, often

503
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:32,120
considered to be connected to
the Zam Zum meme in Deuteronomy

504
00:27:32,120 --> 00:27:36,920
220, who were also called a
people great and numerous and

505
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:41,880
tall like the Anachem, likely
lived in the Amorite territory

506
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:46,560
just east of the Jordan River,
and their name may carry an

507
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,600
anomano pH.
There you go.

508
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:54,160
Flavor as buzzers or murmurs,
possibly referring to war chants

509
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:57,280
or intimidating battle tactics.
So if you had these giants

510
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:00,280
going, you know, something like
that, then you might call them

511
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,800
the Zazim.
Here's the connection.

512
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:06,040
So we talked about Raphaim.
Connected with them are the

513
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:12,280
Anakim Anakim in Joshua 11, it
says that Joshua wiped out the

514
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:16,600
Anakim for most of the land
except for Gaza, Gath and

515
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:21,600
Ashdod.
So Gath Goliath is from Gath and

516
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:25,760
describes him as a giant and
describes him as a descendant of

517
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:29,240
the Rapha, which people connect
with the Rapha aim.

518
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,560
It's like maybe not just a short
full of the end.

519
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:36,080
Exactly.
And so presumably the Anakim who

520
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:39,360
survived Joshua's conquest fled
to places like Gath and over

521
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,280
generations, they're only just
continued and produced, you

522
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:45,840
know, some giants here.
So that that's that's the

523
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,080
connection again, that's like
that is like a breadcrumb you

524
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:49,560
following that.
But you know, with all these

525
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,400
things, it you know, makes makes
sense.

526
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,640
All right, so we talked about
the Raphaim, the Zuzim.

527
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:58,640
The next place that this
coalition of four kings hits is

528
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:06,120
the Emem in Chavez Kiriathaim
his names.

529
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:11,240
Again, Deuteronomy lists all
these, so Moses is clearly

530
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,160
making a tie here.
Deuteronomy 210 through 11

531
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:19,040
records that the Moabites called
them the Amin, meaning terrors.

532
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,960
Same description given.
They're great, they're numerous

533
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:27,200
and tall like the Anakim.
Their territory was the South,

534
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,560
you know, which is what we see
in what would later become

535
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:32,520
Moabite lands.
Finally, I'll take this one.

536
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:34,520
Really hard to pronounce the
Horites in the Hill Country.

537
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:38,680
Seer name means like you were
saying, cave dwellers, not

538
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,720
necessarily described as giants,
but masters of this rugged

539
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:43,320
terrain with that tactical
stuff.

540
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,760
They, you know, maybe did mining
or stone work.

541
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:49,000
They had, you know, mountain
warfare probably under wraps.

542
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:50,000
That's like their home
territory.

543
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,480
They knew how to how to battle
there.

544
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:58,200
So that those are the four
peoples defeated in that Eastern

545
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,440
sweep.
And I asked Chad if there was

546
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:05,040
any evidence to indicate that
these kings, the coalition of

547
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:08,040
four kings, had giant blood in
them.

548
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,560
And there's really no link.
But you maybe think maybe these

549
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:11,960
are rivals.
I don't, I don't know.

550
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,640
You're trying to think like,
hey, we're going to go after the

551
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:18,640
meanest, baddest folks for what
reason?

552
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:22,560
To just take out the threat.
You know, if there's a ladybug

553
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,200
and a wasp, I'm killing the
wasp, you know?

554
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,680
So maybe that's why maybe that's
what's what's going on.

555
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:31,440
I'm not not sure.
Yeah, that's man, it's so

556
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,640
interesting.
And it is also interesting in

557
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:37,840
how all of this maybe relates to
Abraham in a way this, you know,

558
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:42,440
person proclaiming Yahweh and
battles and all, all of this,

559
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:44,080
all of this kind of thing.
But you, we have this good

560
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:47,360
question here.
Is there a theme?

561
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:50,160
We've kind of been talking about
that a little bit.

562
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:54,120
I mean, you it, you can't not,
you can't be like, oh, just

563
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:55,840
three of these are really tall
groups.

564
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,640
No big deal.
I think if you read it and you,

565
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:03,360
you see the connection there,
then you go, OK, clearly Moses

566
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,320
is saying something there.
He's he is laying something

567
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:10,240
down.
Four of the the peoples are

568
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,280
LinkedIn scriptures.
Three of the four are linked to

569
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:15,840
giant clans.
And then the third one is known

570
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,560
as these cave dwellers, cave
fighters.

571
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:25,040
And so, you know, I'm guessing
they're trying to take some some

572
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:30,560
potential dangerous enemies out
and, you know, so suggestions

573
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,800
neutralizing the most
formidable, formidable warrior

574
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:37,520
people's first securing travel
routes.

575
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,360
So maybe these people were
exercising taxes and these

576
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,320
people wanted goods to move over
them.

577
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,520
And so this would have been
along the kings, the way the

578
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:47,640
kings or the what is that called
the?

579
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:51,240
Yeah, the whatever highway or
Mustina Del Mar or one of these

580
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,840
things, I don't know.
And then maybe possibly

581
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,920
targeting clans with it, which
they had long standing feuds,

582
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:02,920
but clearly they were targeting
these these people with giants

583
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,160
in them.
And you have to imagine, you

584
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,480
know, if you're got these city
states there, there's probably

585
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:11,920
always skirmishes going on.
It's probably like, oh, your

586
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:13,600
uncle died.
I don't know.

587
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,480
There's like all this bad blood
that probably goes way back.

588
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:20,360
And your grandfather said, if
you ever see these people, and

589
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:23,760
then it's probably always
occupying more land or taking

590
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,920
more resources.
It's probably an ongoing kind of

591
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:28,120
thing.
And then you do probably want to

592
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,200
be the top dog.
I can't.

593
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,680
I'm just asserting my my
dominance so people know, like

594
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:35,080
that's what's up.
Yeah.

595
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:39,200
And that was the conclusion that
this is probably less like our

596
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:44,400
modern day wars where we're just
more like an ancient gang turf

597
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,640
war where we're like, we're
going to be the top dogs.

598
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:51,600
We're going to own this via Del
Mar the the, the road of the

599
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,600
Kings, we're going to be the
number one.

600
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:56,680
So we're going to take these
folks down, make them pay

601
00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,920
tribute to us.
So.

602
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:03,200
And and if I were to ask, maybe
the average evangelical on the

603
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,680
street, like, hey, let's write
down like top five favorite

604
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,080
things about Abraham.
I, I mean, maybe this comes

605
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:12,240
maybe does it is a prominent
thing like this is a story, but

606
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:16,400
people probably wouldn't be able
to tell you more than Abraham

607
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:17,960
the PDC.
Maybe they skipped straight to

608
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:19,080
my kids.
And Oh yeah, he had.

609
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,640
To rescue lot, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's probably what he.

610
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,280
So, yeah, why does this, why do
we have all this detail of these

611
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:26,360
things, like, why don't, why
does it just say that Lot was

612
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:28,560
captured and Abraham, you know,
rescued him?

613
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:31,840
Yeah, yeah, that's very good.
All right, so I'm skipping done

614
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:34,280
#4 in our notes.
Why does this matter for

615
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:35,760
Abraham's story?
Kind of the question you were

616
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,240
just asking.
By the time the Mesopotamian

617
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,040
army reached Sodom and Gomorrah,
they'd already steam rolled

618
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,880
through most of the intimidating
forces in the Levant.

619
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:50,000
So that makes Abraham's victory
against that same coalition even

620
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:53,400
more remarkable.
You know that he's got his 318

621
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:58,360
plus whatever allies he has.
That's yeah, pretty, pretty

622
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:00,880
amazing.
After all that's going on, he's

623
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,880
still gonna take take on on
these people who just, you know,

624
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:07,080
laid the smack down to these
these giant clans.

625
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:11,400
And so you think of location,
Transjordan Highlands, Bashan

626
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:15,280
kind of area.
We read over and over again,

627
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:19,880
great sized Anachem Nephilim
linkage book of Enoch.

628
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:24,040
Also if you say that three times
clay also does appear makes

629
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:28,000
maybe this connection a little
bit more explicit between fallen

630
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,920
angels, giant clans and the pre
flood corruption.

631
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:35,639
Post flood Raphaim is often seen
that that's like the remnants

632
00:34:35,639 --> 00:34:37,480
from from all this from Genesis
6.

633
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:39,199
Yep.
All right.

634
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,400
And then the five cities before
destruction, because, you know,

635
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:46,600
in chapter 19, if I've got my,
if I'm remembering, I think

636
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:49,360
that's right where Sodom and
Gomorrah are destroyed.

637
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:51,639
If it's not 19, it's it's right
around there.

638
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:55,960
These cities were known as being
fertile.

639
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,200
Oh yeah.
Wealthy trade hubs along the

640
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:03,000
Dead Sea route known for moral
corruption.

641
00:35:03,240 --> 00:35:06,040
Yeah, yeah.
And isn't that?

642
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:11,600
Just so amazing that like to
this say names associated with

643
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:13,080
moral corruption.
You know, it's like it just like

644
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:14,960
it's one of those things.
And I don't know if that's like

645
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:19,760
Americanism or if it's like, no,
when the 1200s, if you said

646
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,600
sodomy like that, I mean like in
whatever language you were in

647
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:24,960
that carried the same wait, I
don't know.

648
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,080
And then this is a question.
I lift up tarpits today.

649
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,520
Yes, natural asphalt still
occurs in the region

650
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,680
historically mined for use in
waterproofing and construction.

651
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:38,000
So there you go.
There you go.

652
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:39,920
There you go.
I wish I had more experience

653
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,040
with some of this, like
geography, because it's hard to

654
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,400
envision.
You go to the Dead Sea area

655
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:52,640
today and boy, is it just like
desolate, like it's just man,

656
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:54,080
that it just.
They haven't even.

657
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,680
They haven't really.
Like there's no houses that live

658
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:58,440
around there.
Or they, they, they do have like

659
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,720
resort like they have like Dead
Sea, like resorts for like fancy

660
00:36:01,720 --> 00:36:02,800
people, but.
It's like.

661
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,000
It's like, yeah, it's like
desert.

662
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:06,600
And then they like Rhodizer.
It's like they're on for like

663
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,480
the spa and the salt and all
this stuff and like some

664
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,360
industry there for that.
Was there salt that you could

665
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:13,360
pick up?
Oh my.

666
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,920
Oh my goodness.
You go in the water and you just

667
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:17,680
go in the bottom.
Yeah.

668
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:20,440
And it's just like handfuls.
I've got some of my house that I

669
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,640
just like kept like brought.
You like grind it up and salt?

670
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,680
Your I, I never looked.
I mean, it's, it's like it all

671
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,840
like turned into like salt
crystals based on like the

672
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,040
weather and stuff here, but it's
like everywhere.

673
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,000
It's one of those things that
you're not thinking.

674
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,040
It is really hard to go under
the water because it's so

675
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:37,360
buoyant.
It like forces you up and you

676
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,320
don't want to go under the water
because you're even ice close to

677
00:36:40,720 --> 00:36:42,720
it instantly burns.
Like everything burns.

678
00:36:42,720 --> 00:36:44,920
It's like not super comfortable
if you have any kind of cut.

679
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:49,600
It is just crazy.
And the water is like very warm.

680
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,560
I mean, maybe because I went in
the middle of summer when it's

681
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:55,680
like a bajillion degrees, but it
was like it just so interesting.

682
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:59,760
And you can see just like
probably other, you know, places

683
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:01,880
like this, but it's like it's
receded so much.

684
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,920
There's like, but you can just
see like where it was probably

685
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:06,680
10 years ago, 20 years ago,
which is like.

686
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,240
Why is it receding?
People aren't using that water.

687
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:12,640
Or maybe they're pulling water
out of the Galilee.

688
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:17,160
Or I don't know what.
It looks insane, like you can

689
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,800
just see where it had been maybe
100 years ago or something.

690
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:26,400
Anyway.
Estimates that Abraham's force

691
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,800
would have been 500 to 800
people.

692
00:37:31,240 --> 00:37:35,080
Perhaps an underdog type victory
with the element of surprise

693
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:38,520
against them at night.
Yeah.

694
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:43,560
So all right, takeaways Abraham
and Genesis 12 verses 14 kind of

695
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:47,360
talked about this last Tuesday.
But he goes from a self

696
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:51,400
preserving and fearful in Egypt
to bold and decisive and

697
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:53,720
rescuing Lot.
I'm just glad he learned his

698
00:37:53,720 --> 00:37:55,400
lesson from Egypt never to be
repeated.

699
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:56,760
Again, never to be repeated
again.

700
00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:00,680
He'll never struggle with this
issue again.

701
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:03,600
Wink, wink.
Oh my goodness.

702
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:08,640
Yeah, that that's interesting.
You know, maybe you one, you

703
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,160
know, it's just, I mean, it's a
much larger scale, but you know,

704
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:14,480
there there's ups and downs,
failures, victories and that

705
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,360
kind of thing.
And I like this note that

706
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:20,720
Abraham refusal of spoil shows
Abraham's allegiance to God over

707
00:38:20,720 --> 00:38:22,960
political and economic gain.
Because there's probably a lot

708
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:27,120
of both of those things at stake
with with all these different

709
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,800
things.
All right, some questions to

710
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:31,520
consider.
Why does God sometimes allow his

711
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:34,280
people to be caught up in other
nations conflicts?

712
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:39,280
It happens like believing the
Palestinians.

713
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,760
Yeah, that is caught.
Up in in between the the Muslims

714
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:46,360
and the the Jews man.
Why does Abraham's growth

715
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:50,160
between What does Abraham's
growth between chapters 12 and

716
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:55,040
14 say about sanctification?
What does his future fall say

717
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:58,600
about sanctification?
How should believers truly

718
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:02,440
balance alliances with
unbelievers for just causes?

719
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:05,800
So that's a good question.
Maybe you should roll over into

720
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,880
a politics episode in the
future.

721
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:13,080
And then was the meeting with
Melchizedek a mere historical

722
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:16,080
encounter or divine
foreshadowing of Christ?

723
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:17,480
So.
Man, a lot of good things to

724
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:18,960
think about.
That's Abraham.

725
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,640
Abraham episode #3.
Three.

726
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:24,400
Yeah, yeah.
Any anything else about this

727
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,640
account before we leave our
listeners?

728
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,760
And there is a there is a fourth
Abraham episode down the Pike.

729
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:31,720
Oh yeah, yeah, nothing more than
I have.

730
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:37,200
Me either, thanks for talking
about Raphaim, Aikim, all this

731
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:39,640
fun stuff.
We will catch y'all next time.

732
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:43,000
That's our take.
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733
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,200
Two.
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734
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,960
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735
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