Chains and the Gospel: Paul’s Prison Epistles (Part 1)

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Is it offense?
When will this air, by the way?

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Tomorrow.
Tomorrow maybe stick free.

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I is it offensive if I like ask
like during my Sunday school?

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Hey, if you're a Lord of the
Rings fan, can you raise your

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hand?
Just trying to see where the

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nerds are at Think I'll lose the
crown.

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I'm not going to do it, but I
thought about it.

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I just I.
Don't think this is going in the

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podcast.
Totally kidding, I would do

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this.
I would do this.

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Most of us wear the badge nerd
proudly, so we're not going to

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be offended that's.
Right, you know it just.

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Means we know how to get it
done, yeah.

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That's what nerds tell
themselves.

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Yeah, no, just kidding.
I don't want to get beat up

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after church by angry mob either
'cause I'm sure there's a lot

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there.
Are quite a few Lord of the

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Rings.
Fans and I would not say that

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like meaning like I don't really
mean it.

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I don't know if people really
know my sarcasm that well.

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So I might, I might lean away
from it, but I thought about it,

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you know, just spice up Sunday
school, you know, get it, get it

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spicy.
In there, I think that they they

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would appreciate that you can
say, OK, Michael, can you like

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go teach a different class or
something take take them away I.

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Also, I will put this out there.
There is also I'm I'm debating

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throwing in a snake joke in
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So you're going to want to be
there.

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You're going to want to be
there.

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It's going to be a clap.
Crowd pleaser.

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Just think Lord of the Rings and
Snakes.

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What more could you?
Hope tubas.

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You throw that in and it's like
you got the trifecta, you know?

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I don't know why I forgot about
tubas, man.

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I I should, I should, you know,
weasel in tubas some way, but

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good.
I've got something I think is

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going to really resonate with
Lord of the Rings fans.

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You know, either resonate or
repulsive.

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Like, I don't know what the
right word is, but it's

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something like that.
It's good.

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I'm excited.
It'll be great.

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You ever been to prison, Mike?
Prison, Mike, Yeah.

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Yeah, I like that.
Prison.

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Have I ever been to prison?
Yeah.

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No.
Have you?

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You don't know me.
You don't know my my background.

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Maybe I spent 10 years in the
clink.

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Clink No, I have been.
To prison in college we would go

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to.
Do prison ministry.

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Prison and play.
It was really like, you know,

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juvenile detention center and
play like football with them,

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like, you know, so you know.
By football you mean soccer?

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No, no, I know I wish soccer
played some American football,

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but yeah, you know.
Flag football.

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Yeah, but yeah, it was it was
like tackle.

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No, I'm.
Trying to do the logistics of

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like everything that's 'cause
when I when I think football, it

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took me a while to go.
Oh, they were were not in

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helmets and pads.
Oh, gotcha, 'cause I just like

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pick up, like throwing it
around, throwing the old

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pigskin, you know?
Yeah, what you do at recess kind

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of thing is what we we kind of
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It was fun, but that's my extent
really of prison.

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Yeah, I mean, I was in
elementary school like most of

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us.
Oh yeah.

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That's a prison.
It really is a prison.

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I've never those elementary
school teachers.

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They have arbitrary rules that
just lock down behavior and

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freedom.
They enforce those rules that

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that don't make any sense and
they just.

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All personality, you know,
uniformity.

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Yeah, yeah.
And obviously not all of them,

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but yeah, by and large that I
mean, and you get it, they're

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dealing with a bunch of.
Kids.

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And then Leanne.
He gets it.

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He gets it.
But you know.

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Yeah, I've never.
I just don't understand why I

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feel like everyone we talked to
or everyone everywhere says what

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a bad system to have kids sit
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I don't I don't understand.
I guess there's no alternatives.

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Like if everyone says it's so
bad, I don't I.

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Yeah, I've never.
Even like that's when it's like

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this is like ideal for a 10 year
old just to sit and not move and

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learn rote facts about, you
know, the mitochondria being,

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you know, the powerhouse of the
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Are they learning that at in 4th
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I don't.
I have no idea I.

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Don't know.
Yeah, but it's not.

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It's like, I feel like
everyone's got a criticism and

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they're like, studies show that
people learn better in this, but

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I we just don't do anything, you
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Yeah, it's hard for me.
I I was one of those kids who I

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did well in school.
Yeah, yeah.

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But I still bristled at the, you
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didn't make sense, Like this is
just a rule for the sake of a

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rule.
And I and probably most I, I

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don't know, I, I don't want to
sound probably most kids are not

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thinking that way.
I know that I was weird, you

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know, different.
I wasn't the, so, you know, I

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remember being in kindergarten
and just talking all the time

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and let my mom sit down and it
was very like, you have to

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decide.
And like, I don't know, like she

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turned to switch at me somehow,
'cause I got from there on out,

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I was like, OK, I won't, I won't
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I'll just learn.
I don't know how it's like.

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They just switch.
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It's one of those weird things.
It's like such a system where,

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you know, I bet, I bet I would
have learned way more like doing

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more hands on stuff, being
active, more back and forth.

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But at some level it's like, you
know, just sit there and take

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tests and stuff.
Like to, to me, I probably did

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better in life because that was
the system versus like actually

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doing stuff and learning stuff
where I can like learn a lot.

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But I can reflect on a test that
I know way more than I think I

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actually do.
Or I could know something

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superficially, but not know it
on a deep level, but test really

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well.
Do you know what I mean?

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Even it's like, it's like I
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And other people I think know
this stuff better, but they just

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don't test well or something.
You know what I mean?

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I don't know but.
So it's prison.

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Just a prison.
Yeah, yeah.

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And Paul was in prison for a
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Yeah.
Do you think he would like the

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comparison between, you know,
elementary school?

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What you went through, I'm sure
his was a little bit tougher

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than elementary school.
Probably so, but yeah, wrote,

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wrote, did a little bit of
writing in in the prison.

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We're on the series on Paul and
we just don't have the the time

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to go through every single
letter he wrote.

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We can group them, you know,
nice, nice and neat in different

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different categories.
So quick, the books that fall

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into this category, what are
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We got the a lot of the IANS
kind of go together, you know

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what I'm saying?
Like Philippians.

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Well, I guess a lot of the
letters he wrote were IANS that

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aren't prison personal.
But I always think of the ones

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that go together like
Colossians, Ephesians and

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Philippians are what I think of.
And then if you want to throw

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in, we talked about Philemon
already, but those are like the

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three that kind of go together.
They they sound pretty similar,

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especially Ephesians and
Colossians.

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Is there anyone in there that I
missed that's like additional?

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Yeah.
I think that those are it some

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well, we've talked about Second
Timothy, yeah, under the

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Pastorals.
That's true.

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Probably he may have been some
type of locked up when he wrote

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Second Timothy, but I don't
think people normally consider

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that a prison epistle.
Yeah, I don't.

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I don't.
I don't think so either.

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Buckle up.
Yeah, we're going to get into

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the prison epistles.
Let's go ahead and take it to

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the next level.
From the hearts of the Low

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Country in South Carolina.
It's the Take Two podcast where

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we take theology to the next
level.

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All right, Well, let's jump into
these prison epistles.

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We've kind of talked about the
books at hand, Philippians,

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Ephesians, Colossians get thrown
by Lehman in there.

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But why do we call them the
prison epistles, Michael?

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Because it feels like prison
when you're reading them.

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Is that it's?
Not correct.

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Yeah, if you yeah, not not the
right answer.

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But Paul was was in prison and
and he's like, you know, I think

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they stand out.
You, you, you know, Ephesians, I

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feel like it's a lot of play
like this great book.

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Philippians also, you just think
like joy when you think of

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Philippians, you think of these
books and you're like, man, some

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pretty, pretty great things.
Maybe not totally what you would

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expect if you were in prison.
Yeah, and just because I'm

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probably more of a theologian
than a historian.

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OK.
Yeah.

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So are these all written from
his Roman imprisonment?

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I I mean, that's what you got
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So I assume that's probably it.
Not his.

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Yeah, not his Caesarea Maritima.
Imprisonment.

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That that that, that that's what
I would think.

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I think that these were all
generally, yeah, written around

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the same time, give or take,
especially Ephesians,

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Colossians, like so similar kind
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You know, if you read the
different books, they're carried

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off by different messengers.
You know, he's writing from

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prison and messengers are kind
of delivering it.

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And these do a really good job
of focusing on what's really

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important to Paul.
It's like, man, you're in

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prison.
You don't know what's going to

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happen.
What's he write about?

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Some pretty some pretty weighty
eternal truths that it's like

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man, that that I think we some
of our like our go to passages

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are in these epistles.
And so good to look at these

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together.
A lot of similarities, a little

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bit of, you know, differences
between the books, but a lot of

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things kind of stack up
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So let's talk about what what
are some of these major themes

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that we find in the prison
epistles?

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Yeah, and I see the first one
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Colossians.
Those those opening verses are

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some of my favorite because you
see most clearly, you know who

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Christ is as creator.
You see him as a sustainer, you

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see him as the image of the
invisible God, the first born of

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all creation.
So if you're in prison then that

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helps you look vertically
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Yeah, I feel like such a such a
go to text beginning of

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Colossians, Yeah, that that
stands out in a major way.

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If we were to look at Ephesians
2 and Philippians 2, we see an

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emphasis of Ephesians, you know,
4 as well a little bit this

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unity in the body of Christ.
You can imagine that Paul

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sitting there in prison really
thinking about what's what's

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important.
And I think of Ephesians

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particularly, you think of Jew,
Gentile, this division.

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He knows, spends a lot of time
on that.

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Right.
And then I think you did mention

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Ephesians 4 because that's where
he starts going through, you

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know?
Yeah.

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All the ones, yeah.
And you know, we have diversity

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of gifting, but we should be 1.
And this is like for counseling.

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You'll hear Tim a lot of times
go to this, you know, as much as

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it's, you know, to to the
unification of the body and and

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stuff.
And he'll ask, you know, are you

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doing this?
Is this unifying to the body?

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If not, then we probably should
double check ourselves.

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Yeah, you kind of see what's
what's really important and we

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see supremacy of Christ.
Colossians 1, Ephesians 2,

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Ephesians 4, Philippians 2.
Unity.

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And then when I think of
Philippians just as a whole, I

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just think joy, you know?
The joy, joy, joy, joy.

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There you go.
You read a lot about him

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rejoicing and joy kind of you
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place, kind of unusual when you,
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his situation.
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when you're suffering, that joy
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that come out of this because
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always.
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That that is.
A feat for.

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A lot of good, good stuff here.

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'cause we already did.
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your mind that the gospel can
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relationships.
So let's maybe get into the

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book.
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outline talk through, you know,
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different themes that kind of
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I don't know, out of all all of
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like the best known just because
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that gets hammered.
It's like the verses you

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memorize so much.
But that's not we.

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It doesn't start in chapter 2,
he starts in chapter 1.

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Also very, very profound.
He didn't just start like, hey,

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I'm going to start in Chapter 2.
What a move, what a power move

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that would be.
Honestly, Paul should have

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thought about it.
I maybe I'll write a book and

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just start like chapter 3.
Be like boom, like more

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productivity.
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Ephesians is Tim's speaking Tim
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Favorite book?
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Yeah, that's right.
He's he's talked through

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Ephesians a couple, I mean
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Like and he says I can never
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to, but it's doesn't have an
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I, I, I, I, I I'm familiar with
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Yeah, it's always like weird to
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framing of it.
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That's good, because it's not

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like he's there's something that
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Like Galatians, there is an
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Isers right and like with the
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I'm always thinking like, is it
Christmas?

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Like like what?
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You know what I mean?
I know what it means.

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But in my mind, I'm always like,
you know, the fancy occasion,

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you know, and.
It breaks down really nicely

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into the three Geology 3, You
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Oh.
Yeah, there you go.

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Yeah, that's right.
Breaks out so nicely.

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After he gets through his
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know, section verse 3 through
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And it's like famously known for
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person's favorite thing, 'cause
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Know you know well, but I think
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thing.
That that's true, that's true,

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that's true.
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we do punctuate it and we have
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in the original Greek it just
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It just keeps running.
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And I well, and and you know
that because you've studied

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Greek, your Greek scholars.
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But.
Like the words are so much

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exacting somewhere because, you
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subject and Oh yeah.
So it's not as difficult because

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if you have even a name, it's
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that will tell you if it's a
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predicate or a direct object.
It's such a good way to do

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language where you can like just
the order is more of emphasis,

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but everyone you always know
there's not like a sneak attack,

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you know, makes sense.
So it's it's OK in the Greek.

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But yeah, so lots of times we
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blessings, like all the
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And, you know, I know we're
going book by book, but this

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first chapter in Ephesians wraps
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where it talks about, you know,
everything being wrapped up in,

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you know, in Ephesians.
I think it says footstool.

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You know one of them it says
footstool.

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We'll see.
That that that's right, while

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while you're looking that up
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And if you find it, feel free
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Yeah, and you put all things in
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gave him his head over all
things in the church.

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Yeah, so.
And you're in this chapter 1,

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you see, like specifically in
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this, you know, in him in
Christ, it's like every other

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phrase you like counted up and
it's a bunch of of these times

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you can't you can't escape all
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Anything else you want to hit on
Chapter 1 before we just kind of

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keep moving through this book?
It's a favorite chapter for

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sovereign grace people before
the foundations of the Earth.

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Yeah, I love, you know, hey, it,
it is hard to like read it and

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be like, well, well, it's really
means something different

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because it's it's pretty, you
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Yeah, there's one friend.
I don't, I don't even know if he

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still listens.
Maybe he'll comment if he does.

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But he takes all those in Christ
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predestined Christ and that any
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I'm like, I don't think that's
what the text says.

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Crazy.
You got to judge for yourself,

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though.
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I don't.
Think that's how the text reads.

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That's chapter 1.

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Chapter 2 Saved by Grace through
Faith I I just feel like man, it

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is just all of scripture is just
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But man, it just like you read
all the way through and it's

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just like hitting it's setting
it up and then it brings it just

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it the whole way through.
It's great.

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It is great because it talks
about our our condition without

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Christ and then how?
Also, Sovereign Grace, people

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like this too, you know, I mean,
I think everyone, I don't think,

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you know, our minions are like,
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lean into this Children of Wrath
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while we were even dead in our
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him.
And then it goes through

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basically Our Calling as
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biggest categories that you can
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Gentiles and Jews, how they are
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But the Gentiles are now brought
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off.
And now that dividing wall has

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been brought down so that
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Gentile.
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what?
This is where we get the imagery

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of, you know, building on a
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the prophets with Jesus as a
cornerstone.

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And then all of us, Jews and
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building, you know, so that
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that he's a head over.
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All of that is like connected
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He starts with your dead, saved
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And then he just all that flows
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This is an aside, but RC Sparrow
has like this class where he's

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like teaching seminary students
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like 10 minutes, like it's a
long time where he asked a guy

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to like come up to the front of
the class and he's like, OK, you

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are gonna act.
I don't think it's this text.

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I think it's a different text.
But he he's like, OK, I think

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it's systematic theology course.
But he's like, OK, you were dead

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in your trespasses.
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I'm gonna try to do whatever I
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just pretend you're dead.
And he just like belabors it for

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like 10 minutes straight, like
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Like if you're dead, you can't
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But it like really like hits the
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But it's like incredible because
it's just like, OK, we get the

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point, but he just like, keeps
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With it, yeah, you're not going
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That he's dead, like he's not
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Sounds good.
Anyway, that's chapter 2.

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We kind of in our, in our
outline here bridges chapters 2

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to 3 because it talks about this
mystery and we see this word

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mystery in Scripture.
We have no idea what it means,

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right?
It's just like a total mystery.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's like we got to wait.

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Maybe the Pope knows.
The Pope knows real really

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speaking to this Jew, like how
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redemptive history?
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side of things.
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it was mysterious.
Like how is God going to

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reconcile all these?
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Paul's use of the word mystery
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Testament person would not have
understood but now with the

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revelation of Christ, it's been
made clear at least more clear

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than what it was how it's going
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And I like, you know, it's Paul
interrupts himself because it

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seems like he's going to start
praying in verse one for this

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reason.
I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus

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Christ for the sake of the
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And he's like, you know what, I
need to talk about the Gentiles

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more.
And he goes into this like

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interruption between verse 2
down to verse 14.

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And then he picks up with his
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bow my knees, you know, because
he is just reveling in his call

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to minister primarily to the
Gentiles.

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You know, he'd always go to the
Jews first, but he recognized

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that really his calling is to
share the gospel with these

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people that that didn't know
that's.

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Great.
And then he kind of ends this

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chapter now to him who's able to
do far more abundantly than all

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that we ask or think according
to the power at work within us,

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to him be glory in the church
and in Christ Jesus through all

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generations, forever and ever.
This kind of ends the prayer

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there.
And that's like you were saying

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those first 3 chapters laying
down the doctrine, like laying

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down the groundwork, like why?
Why would we live a certain way?

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And then we kind of we we see a
little shift coming soon in, in

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this letter.
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And The thing is, it's not like,
hey, therefore go, you know, do

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this, go, you know, it.
The, the, the very after all

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that great theology, his very
first application is to be

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humble and gentle, 'cause he
says, therefore, I, the prisoner

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of Lord, implore you to walk in
a manner worthy of the calling

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which you have been called, with
all humility and gentleness,

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with patience, showing tolerance
for one another and love, being

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diligent to preserve the unity
of the spirit in the bond of

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peace.
That's the thing that Tim will

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always diligent to preserve the
unity of the spirit in the bond

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of peace.
Man so so good kind of keep as

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we keep making our way through
this chapter.

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He talks about speaking the
truth and love all of these

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things for, you know, to equip
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ministry, all these things and
then halfway through chapter 4

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talks about the new life that
that these Ephesians have no

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longer walk as the Gentiles do
in futility of their minds.

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They're darkened, alienated, all
these things, hardness of heart.

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Again, kind of talks about the
state they were in, callous,

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greedy, full of sensuality and
impurity, but you learned

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Christ.
And so something we see in Paul

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this this put off and put on.
It's not just like don't do

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these things, but let's replace
these things with with different

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actions and and behaviors as we
learn to walk worthy of of our

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new life in Christ.
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And he continues that idea with
you know, our hatred like anger

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to take off, you know, the
malice and clamor clamor replace

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that to take off our lusts and
to lay those aside take off

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speaking falsehoods, but and
said, you know, speak truth

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which one another.
So just a lot of practical

449
00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:36,360
stuff.
There's a gal that was in our

450
00:22:36,360 --> 00:22:41,320
youth group that anytime she
said anything that had that

451
00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:45,040
wasn't nice or that had a curse
word in it that her parents she

452
00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:49,560
got to to write down 29 Let no
one wholesome word proceed from

453
00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:51,600
your mouth.
Always such a word as is good

454
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:53,680
for edification according to
need the moment so that it maybe

455
00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:56,840
give grace to those who here she
had to write that verse a lot.

456
00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:58,360
Nice, yeah.
Not Jill.

457
00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:00,560
Not Jill.
Different girl.

458
00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:02,920
Good, I'm glad, I'm glad you
clarified.

459
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,640
Great.
Chapter 4 ends right on going

460
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:09,720
Michael is saying dealing
heavily with with our speech.

461
00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:15,840
And then chapter 5 tells us to
walk in love and and what that

462
00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:19,000
looks like.
He kind of goes into different,

463
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:22,600
different ways to walk in love
as children are the light and

464
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:26,320
then gets to wives and husbands,
which, you know, a lot of people

465
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:27,800
love this.
A lot of people love how it

466
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:29,360
starts.
Hot wives submit to your

467
00:23:29,360 --> 00:23:31,280
husband's film and then he
stops.

468
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:35,240
Right.
Well, yeah, just point out the

469
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:38,560
verse above that because you
know, those those pericopes

470
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:42,200
weren't in the original.
So the verse above it says be

471
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:45,840
subject 1 to another fear in the
fear of Christ.

472
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:49,200
And then he's going to go, he's
going to kind of get down South

473
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:51,920
in some sense.
We're all supposed to be subject

474
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,120
to one another.
And then he's going to lay down

475
00:23:54,120 --> 00:23:56,320
some more specific
relationships, the husband wife

476
00:23:56,320 --> 00:24:02,200
relationship, the parents versus
children relationship.

477
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:07,080
He'll get to that in six and
they'll get to employer employee

478
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:10,920
relationships or master and
servant.

479
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:16,520
You know, I was reading the
sorry shorter side parable of

480
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:21,760
the talents to my math class
because it was like, you know,

481
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:25,280
where it says those who have
more will be given because there

482
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:28,920
was this bonus project and the
people who had the best grades

483
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:30,760
of the bonus and the people who
didn't didn't.

484
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:34,720
I'm like, it was just like this,
but it used the word slave.

485
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,080
I'm like, I'm going to read this
as servant because it was kind

486
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,280
of more in line with what was
there, but yeah.

487
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:41,920
But it's it's great gets Paul
gets very practical.

488
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:43,960
He's not just saying, hey, walk
in love with everybody.

489
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,240
He like, he like is ironing out
what that looks like.

490
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:50,720
Yeah, and it might be different
than what the New Agers would

491
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:53,360
think.
Love is in in the Bible because

492
00:24:53,360 --> 00:24:55,280
it's actually, you know, the
fulfillment of the law.

493
00:24:56,360 --> 00:24:58,720
Yeah, absolutely true.
So hits all these different

494
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:02,600
categories and then chapter 6
we're hitting the Armor of God.

495
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,000
That's right.
It's like I feel like Armor of

496
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:09,360
God is just like classic VVS and
school memorization.

497
00:25:09,360 --> 00:25:11,880
It just like lends itself so
nicely for something like.

498
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:16,000
That and for all of you who like
Zach, I, I only give this one

499
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:19,480
for because not me, but for
people like Zach who like to

500
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:23,280
like play fantasy games or
something, you know, you can

501
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,160
think of like a character who's
like leveling up their belt of

502
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:29,280
truth, you know, through the
study or leveling up their

503
00:25:30,120 --> 00:25:32,240
breast prate of life
righteousness through

504
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:37,280
sanctification or leveling up
their shoes of the gospel for

505
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:41,440
the, you know, as they go and
they share the gospel around.

506
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,320
So you can think of it like you
all have it, but you're.

507
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,360
That's right, yeah.
As you grow and mature, you're

508
00:25:46,360 --> 00:25:48,400
leveling those up.
I I don't really get that.

509
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,200
You're like, I don't understand.
That type of idea.

510
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:54,960
But I know, Zach, that, yeah.
You know, I'm not totally anti

511
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,120
sci-fi.
I'm actually I'm pretty anti.

512
00:25:57,120 --> 00:25:58,560
I don't know what it is about
sci-fi.

513
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:00,760
That's what gets me.
You don't like sci-fi?

514
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:02,280
It's not my favorite.
Yeah.

515
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:03,680
You like?
Fantasy more than sci-fi I.

516
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:08,160
Like both equally tip.
Not very much like when I was

517
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,640
little.
I mean, I could there's certain

518
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:12,760
things I could get behind.
Yeah, I don't know.

519
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:14,560
Yeah, I would.
I'm trying to find.

520
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:17,880
Like football movies?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

521
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:21,560
We're dealing with that next.
So I am.

522
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:23,760
This is a little behind the
scenes action here.

523
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:27,200
Where are we at time wise?
Because of where we started.

524
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,640
Yeah.
I mean, should we tack on

525
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:34,280
another book or should we sever
this into a different pod or

526
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,720
what?
What's the move based on our how

527
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:40,840
fast the pace we're moving?
Yeah, I was looking at that too.

528
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:44,680
We spent quite a bit of time on
infusions.

529
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:46,840
We Colossians is pretty
parallel.

530
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:48,440
That's true.
You wanna you wanna hit

531
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:50,360
Colossians.
So it's like, let's do that.

532
00:26:50,360 --> 00:26:53,640
We'll skip down to Colossians
because it is so parallel.

533
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,960
We kind of gave you a teaser
with with Chapter 1, so we'll

534
00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:01,800
jump in right there to talk
about the Supremacy.

535
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:05,200
I know Michael, you kind of
almost like quoted this a minute

536
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:08,680
ago, which was great.
And the prayer in chapter 1 is

537
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:13,800
my personal favorite prayer of
Paul's, you know, so if you want

538
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,680
to pray a prayer, prayer for me
and you want to be 1 of Paul's

539
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,760
prayers.
But yeah, there's the prayer

540
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:21,720
there.
And then at the end, it closes

541
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,720
out with this lifting high of
Jesus.

542
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:28,120
And then it talks to start
talking about in chapter 2, you

543
00:27:28,120 --> 00:27:33,160
know, us building being built up
in Christ and you know, this

544
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:37,440
idea of us being rooted and
grounded in him and us having

545
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:41,160
this, you know, this heart of
love that flows out of of

546
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,120
knowing him.
You know, I, I will say this

547
00:27:43,120 --> 00:27:46,120
too, I don't know what your take
is on this with the Colossians

548
00:27:46,120 --> 00:27:50,200
Church in particular, if we are
in chapter 2 when it talks about

549
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,160
see that no one takes you
captive by philosophy and empty

550
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,560
to see according to human
tradition, then it says

551
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,680
according to the elemental
spirits of this world, you know,

552
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,840
are, you know, some people are
like philosophy, Some people are

553
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,680
like actually like demonic
worship is underneath some of

554
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:05,800
this.
And later on it talks about

555
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:10,040
asceticism and these kind of,
maybe it's kind of vague, but

556
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:14,480
maybe it's more nefarious than
just like I'm going to engage in

557
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,960
worldly philosophy, but it's
kind of like more undertones

558
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:19,880
that maybe are a little darker.
Have you heard this before?

559
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:26,840
I've heard people talk about it.
And so it says, see to it that

560
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:31,200
no one takes you captive through
philosophy and empty deception

561
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:35,120
according to the tradition of
men, according to the elementary

562
00:28:35,120 --> 00:28:40,080
principles of the world, rather
than according to Christ.

563
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,320
So some people have used this
verse to try to say philosophy

564
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:46,040
is bad verse.
Verse 8 that's.

565
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,040
What I use it for and I'm like,
no, that's not what Paul is

566
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,400
saying.
He's saying our philosophy needs

567
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:55,040
to be aligned to that what
Christ believe.

568
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:59,080
So if our philosophy is what in
the line with what Christ would

569
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,200
believe, then we're good.
But we don't need to have

570
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,840
philosophy that is according to
empty deception or traditions of

571
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,000
men or the elementary principles
of this world.

572
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:08,080
Now.
Yeah, go ahead.

573
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:11,440
What those are is probably
anything that's not in

574
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,800
accordance with Christ.
So obviously anything that's

575
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,840
demonic or anything that is.
And when I was saying

576
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,560
philosophy, I wasn't meaning
like sound philosophy, but I was

577
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:22,360
meaning like, not like
necessarily the discipline of

578
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:26,400
philosophy, but like, you know,
like people should love each

579
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:28,040
other.
So we're going to be accepting

580
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,000
of this like, or, you know, like
that kind of thing.

581
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,640
Later on in chapter 2, it will
say, let no one disqualify you

582
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,600
because they insist on
asceticism and worship of angels

583
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:38,560
going into details about
visions.

584
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,240
So some people like connect
those kind of things with what

585
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,000
we were just saying.
And like, maybe there was a lot

586
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:46,440
of this in Colossae where
people, which would be like too

587
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,360
far down the road that they're
worshipping false gods or

588
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:49,920
whatever.
But some people are like people

589
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,360
having visions and, you know,
leaning into this.

590
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,160
And Paul is really combating
this.

591
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:57,560
Although I, I think there's good
and I kind of blame that that

592
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,160
stuff's probably going on.
It's kind of hard to say

593
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,120
exactly, exactly what and how
much 'cause it's a little bit

594
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,800
vague, but it is interesting,
you know, connecting those dots

595
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,120
that that was where I was going.
I wasn't really trying to say

596
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:09,960
like, philosophy's a waste of
time, you know?

597
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,240
But I think people do that.
Probably, but people do.

598
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,160
Yes, yes, yeah, that's.
I was.

599
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,240
I wasn't saying you were saying
that, but I was wanting to

600
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:19,520
'cause I have heard that and it.
Yeah.

601
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:21,320
And when you have a master's in
philosophy?

602
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:22,680
Yeah, you gotta like you, you
like.

603
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,640
You know, yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, that that's great there.

604
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:27,920
There's a lot of other stuff we
could spend time on.

605
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:33,560
In chapter 2, a big overarching
picture is being made alive in

606
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:37,880
Christ.
Then we get to chapter 3 where

607
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,080
we put on the new self that
this, you know, we've heard this

608
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:41,320
a lot.
If you've been raised with

609
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,400
Christ, seek the things that are
above.

610
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,000
Set your minds on things that
are above.

611
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:49,320
We kind of have again this idea
of putting on, putting off, or

612
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,800
putting to death the these
contrasting thoughts.

613
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,720
And I was thinking I start, I
was some of what I was saying is

614
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:57,200
in chapter 2 is actually in
Chapter 3.

615
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,880
This is the first I was thinking
about let the peace of Christ

616
00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:03,080
rule in your hearts to which
indeed you were called in one

617
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:07,880
body and be thankful.
So this idea of being putting on

618
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:13,280
love, seeking perfect the bond,
perfect bond of unity, so very

619
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:16,280
similar to the main ideas that
we talked about in ejections

620
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:20,000
Chapter 4 and following.
And then maybe being in in

621
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,880
subject and subjection to one
another because the end of

622
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:27,480
Chapter 3 would start talking
about those family relationships

623
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:29,480
again wise.
Be subject to your husband's

624
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,000
children, be obedient to your
parents.

625
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,120
Slaves obey.
You know everything that your

626
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,440
masters say.
Masters, you know, be good to

627
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:41,680
your slaves and be fair.
So all of these, you know, how

628
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,240
we interact with each other.
And I feel like we always have

629
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:49,600
to disclaim that this is not,
you know, 17th and 18th century.

630
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:51,680
Yeah, good.
You know, chattel slavery, you

631
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:52,320
know, it's not.
It's not.

632
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,000
What it is, Yeah.
And then from there, really,

633
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,240
he's closing out the book,
gives, you know, this list of

634
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:58,480
instructions.
Yeah.

635
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:02,000
We read continue in prayer be
even Thanksgiving.

636
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,320
I'm walking wisdom.
Let your speech be gracious

637
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:07,920
seasoned with Saul and then he's
just greeting people left and

638
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,320
right.
You know name dropping a few

639
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:13,160
people and I like how he like
ends.

640
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,360
I Paul write this greeting with
my own hand.

641
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,960
Remember my chains Grace be with
you.

642
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:19,880
Sounds good.
Ephesians.

643
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:21,160
Colossians.
There you go.

644
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:22,280
There it is.
Next time.

645
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:24,800
There we go.
We'll bring.

646
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,000
We'll close out the prison
epistle with some joy.

647
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,880
That's our take.
Thanks for listening to Take 2.

648
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,240
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649
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:36,960
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