Children of God — A Biblical Theology of Adoption 1 | What Is Adoption?

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What's up, Zach, Michael?
The styling.

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Yeah.
So sometimes we do some things

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that are visual for YouTube
audience.

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We kind of had to do some
description.

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Zach, you are wearing a fedora.
Michael, you were wearing a

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fedora.
And it's very odd.

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I just got mine, just arrived
today.

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Nice.
And you just got yours.

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Like last week they look to be
of different quality.

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Mine may have been 649 like
$6.49 off at Amazon.

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Yeah, yeah.
Mine was like in the $20.

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OK, yeah, it looks nice.
I was.

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I was amazed how affordable they
were.

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Oh yeah.
Oh, gotcha.

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I thought this was a a decent
looking hat.

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Like this hat probably cost
someone $20 back in the 1920s.

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That's right, inflation.
All the hey, you should where is

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the church next week?
You should just be a Fedora guy,

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you know, Embrace it.
So what was the occasion for

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yours?
I got mine because for work at

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one of the assisted livings that
we do a lot of business in, I

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try to participate in the
events.

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They invited me to a murder
mystery party with their stuff,

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which is great.
Good for, you know, I was like

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great to get the invite cause
mostly with their employees.

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It's good, you know, and my
person I'm supposed to like wear

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like supposed to be kind of like
nerdy got a fedora, supposed to

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have like a corduroy Jack.
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I was like, are you typecasting
me?

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And so yeah, my name is, I guess
I'm a piano player too at a

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Speakeasy.
My name is Hey.

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Can I change it to saxophone
player?

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Yeah, my name.
I got to change my name too then

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it's my name is supposed to be
Teklin Ivory.

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Tackling ivory knives and.
But then they cancelled it

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Friday.
They're going to do it in a

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couple weeks.
So I had this in my car because

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it was supposed to be this past
Friday.

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I gotcha.
And this was my character, you

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know, I did talk.
Was it did we say because we

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talked about maybe recording and
you're like Friday, I can't?

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Yeah, that's yeah.
Because I don't know how long

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this is supposed to last, but I
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It was going to be a big part of
the afternoon.

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I think so, but you.
Yeah, so I got mine was I'm

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surprised at how fast it came
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I ordered this yesterday.
Wow, Amazon.

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Just.
Getting it's just as crazy.

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It's like it you think about it,
it shows up.

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I am singing in house for the
holidays and I'm closing the

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show like and it's kind of one
of those traditional, you know,

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belt it operatic kind of
classical sounding that my wife

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doesn't really appreciate.
But then I'm also opening the

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show.
Wow, the open hand clothes.

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I know I was just so I guess I
was supposed to say I'm so

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blessed.
I'm so blessed.

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But I'm singing a Michael Bublé
version of Jingle Bells, and

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there's some, there's three
ladies who are like, singing

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like.
Oh yeah, that's.

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Cool.
And and they were like, hey, you

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need to get they wanted me to
get a bowler.

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And I was like, look at I was
like, I don't know, that bowler

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is the right 1.
And I was like, oh, I think

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Fedora is the look that we're
going for.

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So yeah.
So if you're in the Charleston

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area, I think it's December.
I should know this offhand, I

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think.
Sell some tickets.

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Maybe, I don't know, it's either
the second or third weekend in

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December.
So you don't have time from when

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this.
Yeah, we've got.

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Plenty of time.
Oh, that's cool.

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Yeah, 'cause last time it was
like a mini church event kind of

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it was like, you know what I
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Like went to see.
That was cool.

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Yeah, we're not having the
Sunday afternoon 1, so it's only

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Friday evening, Saturday evening
this year.

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It was just too, too much.
I don't.

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Know I know the house for the
holiday, the house.

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So house started as like for all
the homeschoolers in the area.

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They didn't have, you know,
especially if you're not a Fine

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Arts kind of person, it's hard.
You know, like you can find

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someone to do math or you know,
it's hard to do Fine Arts,

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especially if you're wanting to
do it like as a group.

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So they were started to provide
a service for homeschoolers who

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wanted coral stuff or some band
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And then they also do some
community stuff.

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Now they've grown.
So this house for the holidays

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is a community thing and then
they have house in the summer

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most summers.
They didn't have it this last

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summer where they do like a
musical gotcha.

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Yeah, just yeah, keep there's
things going on.

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Yeah, you do the summer one or?
No, you don't.

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I can't remember if you did.
It or not So what what happened

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what happened was 2 summers ago
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the Prairie and I was like I
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I was like what's the next thing
that's happening House for

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holidays So that's why I tried
out last last year so this

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summer they were going to do
Prince of Egypt the musical and

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I I don't know I'm I'm at a
distance there were some changes

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in leadership I think they're
trying I don't know I think

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they're trying to maybe they
thought they were doing some too

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much or they were trying to like
really hone in on the vision and

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so they just took a pause last
summer from that so that they

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could kind of relook at
everything that they're doing

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you know and so I I've been told
I think they're going to do

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Prince of Egypt again this
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There you go, Prince of Egypt,
man under underrated animated

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movie.
Yeah.

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And so the there is an animated
movie and I think some of these

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songs are in.
There, I think so too.

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And then there's also a movie
musical that I think will be

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more true to what we'll be doing
over the summer.

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Gotcha.
Yeah, You're not doing the

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animated movie.
That makes sense.

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Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I haven't seen it in a long.
I haven't seen that in a long

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time.
I remember when it came out,

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like I think I saw it in
theaters as like a kid or

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something, but.
So I would, who knows?

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There's a couple parts in there
that I think I'd be well, who

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knows, Who knows?
I don't think I'm going to be

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Moses or the brother of Moses
who's like.

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The but the.
Father of Pharaoh, that's the

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part I'd like to to be.
And he sings this song one week

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link where he's like trying to
tell his son like only it only

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takes one week link to ruin our
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There's also Zipporah's father,
the priest of Midian.

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That may be another role that I
might be in.

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Well, and a third role, the
priest of Egypt, like the bad

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priest.
Yes, yeah.

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I can see them wanting me to do.
That I could.

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I typecast, you know, evil.
I'm just kidding.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So I might do that too.

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That's cool.
If he sings some stuff, it would

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be difficult for me to sing
because it's like blasphemous.

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But he's but he's an evil.
Character.

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Yeah.
So it's like, how do you deal

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with that?
Yeah.

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Yeah, man, maybe that's podcast
episode.

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Yeah, as you, as you work
yourself through that, you know?

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Yeah, I love it though.
I know we should have just had

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the yellow hats too.
We could just keep cycling

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through the hats, you know?
You love the hat, the yellow

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hat.
I mean, I, you know, I was

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wanting to serve, wanting to be,
you know, rallying the team of

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the coaches for.
Soccer.

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It is a great concept.
And great concept.

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Did you hear that?
Great.

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Concept.
No, I did.

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You let me just ask this.
Did you wear it yesterday during

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the game?
I had.

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I had a house for a holiday.
Rehearsal know if I did or not.

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I have I.
Have I?

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Have eyewitnesses reported that
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Wear that was a setup
entrapments.

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I had it with me.
If it makes you feel any better,

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which it won't.
I wore my yellow coaches jersey

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for like all of the white team's
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Oh.
That's good.

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That's good.
Yeah, 2 wrongs don't make it

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right.
Right.

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So but three lefts do. 3 lefts
do make.

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That's the title of the Reliant
K album. 2 lefts, 2 wrongs.

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I make a right, but three lefts
do well.

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Our topic at hand maybe do a
short series on adoption.

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We're we're kind of running
through this in Sunday school,

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so maybe we'll we'll.
Do maybe at the end of this

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short series we will finally get
that interview that we've talked

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about since the very beginning
with with you and.

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Because when will this air?
This will air not this Thursday,

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but next Thursday.
See, this is beautiful because

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November is adoption.
Month.

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Oh, there.
Yeah.

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So this will be the first
Thursday in November, Yeah.

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If it's really great, I'm super
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Just a sneak preview, November
9th, it's like all the stars

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have aligned.
It is adoption month.

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It is Jayden's birthday slash,
Joshua's birthday slash.

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We're having a special speaker
in Sunday school who is speaking

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'cause she's from an adoptee's
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She was adopted.
It's her birthday and November

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9th is.
Someone at our church.

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Christ Daniels.
OK, Jason Pretty And then it

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also is a special Sunday that
many churches celebrate as Pure

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Religion Sunday, thinking of
specific like orphans and foster

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care and a Dodger.
So it's like all of it like on a

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Sunday, which is pretty cool.
So I'm excited.

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Also side note, it's why I'm
playing this service for this

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time because I've lined up
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So it's it's pretty cool.
So anyway, we won't belabor it.

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Let's go ahead, take it to the
next level from the hearts of

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the low country in South
Carolina.

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It's the Take Two podcast where
we take theology to the next

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level.
Adoption.

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When was the last time that you
sat in a study on adoption or

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heard a sermon series on
adoption or something or

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something of that nature?
Last Sunday.

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Before that, Before that.
Probably I'm trying to think

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maybe it was you.
It seems like maybe two couple

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of years ago there was something
on did maybe maybe was there

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something in Romans that was
like adoption as sons?

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Is there a passage in Romans
that?

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Probably.
Oh yeah, no, there is Romans 8

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and Romans 9 talks about that,
yeah.

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Yeah.
So probably when Joel was

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through there, but yeah, that's
probably the last time.

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And and a reason one of the, you
know, thrusts of this series.

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Well, I, you know, personal bias
and experience with adoption,

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but I do think as a general
rule, most Christians,

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especially, you know,
Protestantism in the West, a lot

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of people when they study
salvation, a lot of time on

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justification, probably a lot of
time on sanctification, far less

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time on other aspects of the
Bordeaux salutis.

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So we'll talk about that a
little bit.

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So just to get the mind pumping
'cause I think we're all, it's

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one of those things everyone
knows that we're adopting to

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God's family if you are in
Christ, right?

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A lot of people think everyone's
a child of God.

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That's popular in culture.
And and in some sense.

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It's true.
Like an ex. 17 Creator, right?

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Yeah.
Yeah.

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And to your point about, you
know, what you focus on, I

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taught a whole series on
salvation.

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I don't think adoption was in
that at all, because I was

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talking about, you know,
sanctification.

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I was talking about
justification.

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I was talking about, you know,
whether we choose or we're

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chosen.
So there's a lot of different

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is this adoption.
We sing a song at church called

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Thank you.

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Oh, yeah.
I like that song.

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your enemy, now seated at your
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That's that's like such a it's
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It has a good rhythm to it.
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but I think this is a good
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It's like justification
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What we don't want to do is
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justification and
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Just want to kind of elevate
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I think I've got some good
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about adoption.
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malicious like.
We hate adoption.

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We're just.
Not going to talk about it, but

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you know, it's that time of
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It's almost, you know,
Reformation Day, material cause

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of the Reformation,
Justification by faith alone.

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We probably do 1 you know, not
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routinely 'cause it is an
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We we see it a lot.
When when I was teaching that

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were you like, man, he's just
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Oh yeah, I was like, oh, I can't
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adoption hard.
I would hate for someone to wait

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this class and be like adoption
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anyone is.
I'm like hitting it hard to kind

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of balance counterbalance, but
it's not like the you can make

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the same mistake with with
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And I should have done this for
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Maybe we'll do it one time down
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Did the, you know, generics
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generics name brands when it
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I know that's a broad subject.
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products that the generic is
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products you better not bring
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Although some cereals we do do

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the malto meal like shredded,
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It's hard to do that wrong.
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the true thing.
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Well, looking at the Ordos
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this, not to go into it in
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different things going on.
I threw up a graphic and I'll,

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I'll run through it quickly.
Election calling, regeneration,

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conversion, justification,
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perseverance, glorification.
There's a lot going on.

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There's probably several aspects
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think about as much.
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primary importance, but it's
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highlighting how Paul talks
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not totally a past tense thing,
right?

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I think we think about it a lot.
As you know, I'm saved, done

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with that.
There's no, you know, ongoing

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aspect to our salvation.
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And I, I remember.
So you're going to, you're going

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to reference the generic versus
brand name thing again, right,

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So.
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So it makes sense to the to the
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good.
Yeah, we'll get that in the

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clear.
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themes in this study is using
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Pictures are powerful object
lessons, talking about what I'm

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calling horizontal adoption, the
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would be like our earthly
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see in our culture and comparing
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adoption or adoption in Christ,
because there's so many layers

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and pictures that we see that I
think help us understand our

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adoption.
So as good as horizontal

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adoption is, it's the generic.
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And the name brand is our
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And that's like, wow, that has
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that you would want.
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adoption greats.
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better.
Just like marriage, great.

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Christ and his bride, infinitely
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It's like all these pictures we
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It's good that our world is just
surrounded with these metaphors

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and pictures that we can relate
to and see, and we can learn

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something about our God and how
he's revealed himself.

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And we're also going to talk a
lot about Scripture as well.

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But before we do, I was really
Tim.

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Tim, did you know who this guy
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I would not have known this.
You showed me earlier that day

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and I was like, I, I think I
guessed is it is Tozer.

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This is Ji Packer.
Oh yeah, I guess.

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TW But J Yeah.
Yeah, Tozer, and this is Packer.

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But he was like, that's Ji
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Right away I was like I would
not have known this guy by his

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face but Ji Packer.
Great book.

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Classic book.
Knowing God, written in the 70s

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on the character of God, has a
great chapter on adoption and

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he's got some really just
powerful quotes that if you have

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not paid attention to or maybe
if you hear him, you might say,

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wow, I see overstating things.
It seems like he's giving a lot

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of credence to adoption.
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highest privilege that the
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justification.
And to kind of follow that he

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would say to be right with God
the judge.

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That's a great thing, but to be
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Father, that's even greater.
That's a good picture when you

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think about yourself in a judge.
And if you can imagine, I don't

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know if you had any trouble with
the law in the past, but to be

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like, I'm guilty, but now I'm
declared righteous.

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That's great.
Tim has has kind of used the

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same thing.
He's like, you know, what if you

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got pulled over by a policeman
and you have that interaction

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with the law and how that feels,
But he's like, now imagine that

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policeman is also your father
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And then obviously, if you add
that to, you know, maybe a judge

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who is going to say, Hey, you're
forgiven.

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But now that judge is your
father and he's like, you're

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forgiven, but it's you're
forgiven because I care for you

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and I'm going to take the
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And so this this adoption ideas
is strong.

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All of these metaphors and
pictures roll roll up together.

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And then I like this last one,
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Our understanding of
Christianity cannot be better

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than our grasp of adoption.
We we should know.

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It's like adoption.
We're all familiar with it.

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You know, it's something we
should talk about, talk about

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more.
So let's talk about it.

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This Greek word, who we Ephesia
is the word in our Bibles that

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is translated typically not just
as adoption, but adoption to

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sonship or adoption as sons.
The whole phrase is captured in

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this Greek word.
And when you're looking up this

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Greek word, you read the
different, you know,

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commentators on it.
And then This is why I think we

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don't talk about it as much as
justification or sanctification

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because it really at some level
encompasses both.

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And especially there's a guy,
David Gardner, he is like the

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systematic theology chair of at
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Seminary, which it used to be
held by a guy named John Murray,

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who I think people have heard
his name.

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He's a popular theologian.
He, John Murray would say that

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adoption is the apex of the
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He kind of has the same thing.
And this guy, David Garner, he's

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kind of breaking down this word.
We have to see.

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It's a compound word from to
place as a son, adoption to

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sonship.
And he says that it is illegal.

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It's forensic, just like
justification, but it's also

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transformative because of God is
your father.

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If you have a loving father who
teaches you how to live, who

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teaches you right from wrong,
you naturally begin to resemble

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your father.
That's like kind of both of

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these things and I think it just
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To like, so I, I think that's
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If you think about your adoption
of Jayden or Jackson, a legal

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transition transaction has
happened, but clearly it wasn't

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just OK, now you're gonna,
whenever I die, you'll have part

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of my will or whatever like
that.

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It's like you're building into
their lives and they're being

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transformed, in a sense, into
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some there, there is some change
that that is almost necessary.

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If you truly are a child of
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God than humanly speaking.
Great, great points.

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We see this word in five
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Romans, Galatians, Ephesians.
And so you know, these are

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passages you probably have see
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time.
We this whole series in Romans,

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like we've read, we've read
you've you've heard these

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before.
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popular chapter talks about, you
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spirit of slavery, but we
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A few verses later it talks
about that we wait eagerly for

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adoption.
What's interesting about Romans

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is that you see also this dual
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When I think of adoption, I
think of past tense as.

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Well adopted.
Done.

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It's done.
But like pressing on this word,

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there's a part where we wait for
it eagerly, like we wait for the

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redeem or redeems bodies.
Romans 9, Paul talks about

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adoption as Israel, as God's
adopted son.

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And in Galatians 4, Ephesians
one, we'll we'll kind of dive

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into those later.
But as I was reading this, I was

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like, man, adoption's so
important.

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Ji Packer's saying all these
things.

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It's only mentioned five times
in Scripture.

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Even adoption, Septuagint,
Hawaii, Ephesia.

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Yeah, OK.
Even in the Septuagint, not in

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the Old Testament, in the Greek
version of the Old Testament.

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And you're like, well, if it's
that important, like, wouldn't

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we be talking about?
Right.

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It's like, well, I don't want to
steal any Thunder.

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There's go, go for it.
Yeah, that's like, you know, the

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Trinity.
It'd be beautiful.

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Yeah, that's what I was thinking
too.

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Very, very important.
Like so that's like so

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important.
Like, that's like a test of

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orthodoxy, right?
Right, but you don't find any

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word that actually translates as
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And so, so adoption has is, is
up because at least it occurs,

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you know, four or five.
Times yeah.

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And, and if you you know,
reading, I've I've been reading

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a lot on adoption and
specifically I'll talk about

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this guy David Gardner.
He's got a great book.

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It's almost like really strong
theologically, it's just kind of

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like a not a drudge to get
through, but it's like, I would

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probably not recommend it unless
you're like really wanting to

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like deep dive in the fine
details of adoption.

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But he makes the point like we
were saying the Trinity

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incarnation.
We don't see these words in

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Scripture, but we see a lot of
passages in Scripture that

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mentioned that mentioned sons of
God.

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We see a lot of passage that
talk about children of God being

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a child of God.
We see a lot of passages that

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talks about our inheritance or
being an heir who are heirs.

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Sons are heirs that that should
automatically and and daughters

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can be heirs.
I'm.

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Looking out for you ladies and.
This is that's right.

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And and this will be important
too.

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I will, I will mention this next
week in Sunday school.

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But, you know, maybe we can read
into things.

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Yeah.
Why is it adoption as sons and

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not sons and daughters?
Like, is there anything?

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There's all just a major sexist,
you know, like, you know, but.

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Probably in that culture it was
only the sons adoption.

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Here, you're exactly right.
It's actually elevating the

455
00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:49,080
status of of women in that
culture.

456
00:21:49,120 --> 00:21:51,840
Yeah.
So wow, wow, because he's

457
00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:53,760
talking to ladies and saying
you're going to be adopted as

458
00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:54,560
son I.
Think so.

459
00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:57,920
And even in Galatians 3 we see
that, you know, slave free

460
00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:01,520
Gentiles and then later on just
in chapter 4 verse 4, he's

461
00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:04,840
saying adopted to sonship.
So slaves are everyone's getting

462
00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:06,120
that.
Right, everyone's getting an

463
00:22:06,120 --> 00:22:07,640
inheritance.
Wrongly cut.

464
00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:09,320
It's like pretty.
Crazy, right?

465
00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:11,560
That, that, that, that that's
right where it's like, wow, when

466
00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:13,720
you think of it that way, you're
like, actually, it's probably

467
00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:15,920
better he didn't say sons and
daughters.

468
00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:17,920
If you're trying to be, and some
of our translations smooth it

469
00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:19,960
out.
Consider both those things, you

470
00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:24,560
know, and then the clincher is
really God as father because

471
00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:28,240
that's like everywhere in
Scripture, particularly Jesus is

472
00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:32,520
talking to his father.
And I asked this quiz question

473
00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:36,960
because I didn't know this, but
God is explicitly referred to as

474
00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:40,120
Father in the Old Testament like
12 times, like 15 times.

475
00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:43,320
Maybe you can read in some
implicit a little bit more, not

476
00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:45,600
a lot, but it's there.
It's like, not that it's absent,

477
00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:48,120
it's definitely there, the New
Testament, the usage.

478
00:22:48,120 --> 00:22:50,440
Goes way up, yeah.
So if you're a listener, kind of

479
00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:54,760
think in your mind how many
times you think Goddess Father

480
00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:57,880
is used in the New Testament.
Just kind of think what that

481
00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:01,080
number is. 12 or 15 in the Old
Testament New Testament Jack

482
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:04,280
White shout out 300 and he was
sure he was on the right track.

483
00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:07,760
But it's over 500 times I was.
Amazed by that when you said

484
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:11,280
that and and Sunday's claw was
like wow, 500 that's crazy.

485
00:23:11,360 --> 00:23:15,080
It's a lot, and obviously a lot
of those are the gospels, but a

486
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:16,520
lot of those are everywhere else
as well.

487
00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:18,560
It's like, and there's a lot
less text, you know, it's all

488
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:24,920
kind of crammed in there.
So, so all that to say, it

489
00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,840
spaked into the text like it's,
it's almost on every single page

490
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,240
of our New Testament, right?
You can't, can't escape.

491
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:32,320
And we know this is true.
It's like one of those things I

492
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:34,840
don't think anyone's saying I
didn't know about adoption, but

493
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:36,800
it's like we don't think about
it through that lens.

494
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:39,040
Do you know what I mean?
The paradigm is all slightly

495
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:39,880
different.
I don't.

496
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:43,000
Know that is good because you
know, every time we pray,

497
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:46,560
probably you probably pray to
the Father.

498
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:50,720
I mean that, you know, and then
you may say that's right in

499
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:52,960
Jesus name, but you know, I open
all my prayers.

500
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:56,880
I always think about and I don't
know if I'm giving Jesus a short

501
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,040
thrift, but I'm always thinking
I'm praying to the Father, you

502
00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:02,240
know, through coming to the
Father, through what Jesus has

503
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:04,600
done.
But really, and I should be when

504
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,600
I when when we pray and we do
that, we should be like, I'm

505
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:09,760
doing this because I'm adopted.
Yeah, yeah, really.

506
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:12,000
That's the whole, yeah, exactly
right.

507
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:13,720
And I should have, I think I
brought a book with me.

508
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:15,280
I'll show you this afterwards
because I think it's too

509
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:18,880
confusing to put on a slide or
explain, but it's the way this

510
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,600
David Gardner guy at Westminster
Theological Seminary wants to

511
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,800
like diagram adoption.
It gets a little bit, it's a

512
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,840
little bit too much, but how do
we define adoption?

513
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:31,040
I won't get into it, but I just
put on this, this great

514
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,280
paragraph by 1689, the London
Baptist Confession of Faith that

515
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:37,160
talks about really all these
privileges, all the liberties.

516
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:40,600
We'll kind of get into that at a
later a later time.

517
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:43,680
Maybe we can take more time.
I didn't talk about this as much

518
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,320
in our Sunday school.
But I thought this was very

519
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:47,600
interesting.
Adoption.

520
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:53,600
In the ancient world, there is a
lot of scholarship, like in all

521
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:56,080
directions.
Not some scholarship that's like

522
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:59,480
clearly not great, but a lot of
people want to say like Paul was

523
00:24:59,960 --> 00:25:02,360
his primary focus was Old
Testament.

524
00:25:02,360 --> 00:25:07,360
He's a Jew steeped in Judaism.
You think of the Old Testament

525
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,720
and, you know, Moses was
adopted, obviously, you know,

526
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:16,960
not not in Israel, like and then
maybe Mordecai adopted Esther

527
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:21,200
some the the scholarship is
like, oh, we think Jacob adopted

528
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,480
Ephraim and Manasseh, 'cause
he's doing these blessings, he

529
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:25,480
skips over Joseph.
I'm just, I don't think this is

530
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:27,160
a good scholarship, but this is
like what they say and.

531
00:25:30,360 --> 00:25:32,320
Doesn't really make sense
because I think of when you said

532
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:36,360
adoption in the Old Testament an
Israeli laws, I was thinking

533
00:25:36,360 --> 00:25:40,320
about kinsman Redeemer, which
really has nothing to do with

534
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,480
adoption, but it's kind of like
you're still kind of

535
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:46,800
substituting, you know, 1 you
know, person in place, you kind

536
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,800
of get adopting them as a wife,
but that doesn't really make

537
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:51,280
sense.
That's kind of the.

538
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:56,040
No, you, you, you nailed it
because the reason adoption

539
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,840
probably happened in their
instances recorded, but it's

540
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:02,640
like not a legal institution.
It's not social cultural.

541
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,960
It maybe happened here and
there, but like you're saying

542
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,480
kinsmen redeemership, like
that's way more prevalent.

543
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,880
Leverite marriage way more
prevalent.

544
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:13,760
That's how family lines were
preserved, not through adopting

545
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:17,640
children or other cultures.
It was preserved a little bit

546
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:23,000
more Greek adoption.
There is a lot of good

547
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,320
literature out there on the
Greeks did practice adoption

548
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,040
looked a little weird, like
there was some adoption that it

549
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:31,640
was not permanent and
irrevocable.

550
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:33,400
It was like you're part of both
families now.

551
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:37,000
It was like, not the same thing.
And then, you know, Greek has a

552
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,720
bunch of autonomous city states.
What happened here didn't happen

553
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:41,600
there necessarily.
Maybe it was similar.

554
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,120
Maybe it was a little.
Different and they ward against

555
00:26:43,120 --> 00:26:44,440
each other a lot.
And they ward.

556
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:46,240
So yeah, yeah.
So it's like they're not exactly

557
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:47,240
the same.
Cohesive.

558
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:50,200
The scholarship would say, well,
Paul is from Tarsus, heavily

559
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,880
Greek, influenced a lot of Greek
law still on the books in his

560
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,040
upbringing, so maybe he's drawn
from that.

561
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,080
So there's some things there.
But did.

562
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:00,400
But did he have a citizenship
somewhere else, Paul?

563
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:05,800
And so most like the
overwhelming scholarship points

564
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:09,040
to Roman adoption, especially
when you think about he wrote

565
00:27:09,120 --> 00:27:11,320
this in the letter of Romans,
Galatians and Ephesians, these

566
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,400
are all Roman provinces.
So it kind of like makes sense

567
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:15,480
his readers would have known
this kind of stuff.

568
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,480
It wouldn't be like.
Greece a couple times, he says.

569
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,440
Hey Paul, a Roman citizen.
Yeah, yeah.

570
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,360
You could tell he leans into
that in his writing a lot.

571
00:27:23,360 --> 00:27:26,800
And when you look at, you know,
Roman literature, it was well

572
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:28,480
known.
It was baked into their illegal,

573
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,920
their culture, their social
fabric, so much so there was

574
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,360
different levels of adoption.
I can't pull the source, but I

575
00:27:34,360 --> 00:27:37,640
was even reading like in the
legal contracts in Rome, you

576
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,400
would see language like ABBA
father like that was like a

577
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:44,240
thing like in their culture that
they have found where it was

578
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,880
like so much there there's
different types.

579
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:51,560
They have this adoptio and a
dragatio, which is basically a

580
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,720
small child being adopted and a
grown man being adopted, which

581
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:56,240
we don't think about in our
culture, right?

582
00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:00,280
I'd like to be adopted by some
wealthy wealthy, wealthy

583
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,840
families.
And it and it happened a lot in

584
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:08,400
Roman emperors.
So like Julius Caesar adopted

585
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:12,200
Octavian AKA Caesar Augustus and
Luke 2 adopted the carry on

586
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,600
emperorship and actually Julius
Caesar and then the next 5

587
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:17,960
emperors all adopted not
biological.

588
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,840
And so they basically they
wanted and there's some ties

589
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,200
into here where they hand
selected who they wanted.

590
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,960
They saw traits like there's
some of that in there, too.

591
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,240
And you know, you go down the
line from Claudius, Caligula,

592
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:34,800
you know, Tiberius, all these
people, they were all adopted.

593
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:36,240
They were not, you know,
biological.

594
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:37,880
So much so Nero was adopted as
well.

595
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:43,160
And it was so ingrained in the
laws, like Nero wanted to marry

596
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:46,960
Octavia, who would have been his
not biological sister, but his

597
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:48,360
adopted sister.
And Roman was like, you can't do

598
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,000
that, that that's like your
siblings, even though it's not

599
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:52,680
biological, that's the law.
Yeah.

600
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,480
Nero, like, did a work around,
ended up doing it anyway.

601
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:57,880
But you know, but it was like,
it's like so much in that

602
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,920
clearly this is probably what.
Paul's and if if you've seen

603
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:02,560
Gladiator.
Oh yeah.

604
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,560
Yeah, yeah, Russell Crowe was
trying that guy, tried to adopt

605
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:06,680
him.
That's right.

606
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:07,160
Yeah.
Yeah.

607
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,160
And to to lead on.
And his son did not like that

608
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:11,040
and.
It was.

609
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:15,240
It was, it was and that that's
probably, you know, you look at

610
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:18,320
the scholarship where it's more
divided is like is Paul talking

611
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,920
about what type of adoption?
Is Paul talking about a lot of

612
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:24,960
debate there in our Western
culture in America, it's more

613
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:28,680
of, you know, family, domestic
situations versus like, I want

614
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:32,920
to carry on the family name,
which was a big deal.

615
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,280
Either way.
Both adoptions and our adoption

616
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:38,400
that we have here today come
with full rights, irrevocable,

617
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,360
permanent status, a new
identity.

618
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:44,200
A lot of the Roman adoption
actually had a religious or

619
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,600
cultic element to it where you
had to get like the priest of

620
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,840
the day to be involved.
And it was like a ceremony with

621
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:53,920
witnesses giving it credibility
where you couldn't just, like

622
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:55,400
undo it.
Like that was you would have to

623
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,080
pull these witnesses.
And it was a big, big thing

624
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,840
where it was legal, forensic,
done.

625
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:07,720
So what I hear you saying is you
need to go find some guy who is

626
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:11,280
just cream of the crop, adopt
him to carry on the Mott name

627
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:13,800
since five daughters.
That's right, 5.

628
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:15,320
Daughters.
Yeah, that's so funny.

629
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:20,240
And it was like when you were
adopted, it was like you sever

630
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:22,480
and the Roman culture sever ties
with the old family.

631
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,640
You're part of this new family.
It was it was similar in that

632
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:26,760
way to our adoption, but not a
perfect parallel.

633
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:28,800
Like some people want to just
make it like, oh, Paul was

634
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:30,040
talking about the same thing as
a mayor.

635
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:33,280
I know it's not necessarily a
lot of similarities, not the

636
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:38,880
exact same thing here.
And as we kind of go through

637
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,760
this series, want to talk about
some analogies.

638
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,320
You know, we're talking about
adoption involves planning,

639
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,040
involves love.
It involves a cost.

640
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:51,000
There's benefits, there's a
change, you know, one family to

641
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:52,280
a new family.
There's, there's a lot of these

642
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:56,520
parallels that you see that I
think help us kind of focus our

643
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,840
minds on what we do have in
Christ.

644
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,200
And then, you know, got some,
got some pictures of.

645
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,280
Yeah, Jill made it in the
slideshow here.

646
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:08,680
You know, but adoption day, I
kind of ended with this.

647
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,200
It's a big deal in in families
who have adopted, you know,

648
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,400
almost, you know, on the same
level, if not more sometimes

649
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,840
than like a birthday where it's
like this is the day you became

650
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:20,520
a hail or you were in our
officially the judge said you

651
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:24,520
are part of our family.
It's a really big day, really

652
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,000
important milestone and it's
something, you know, we could

653
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,840
think about with, with our
adoption in Christ too, you

654
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:31,760
know?
If you slide that picture over

655
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:34,920
one more, see a guy there like
was there that guy there in the

656
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:38,120
orange shirt, in the brown coat
was like he walking around when

657
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,280
the judge was trying to
proclaim.

658
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,680
He's he's trying to photobomb
like that engagement.

659
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:43,920
That'd be great.
That was like, that's like his

660
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:45,960
thing.
He's like, he's just like always

661
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:47,920
gonna.
Yeah, your brother will forever

662
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:51,960
be remembered on the podcast for
photo bombing the engagement.

663
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:58,800
Classic, but that you know, a
little overview of adoption.

664
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,720
One book I think is really good.
I'll I'll get your take on this

665
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,480
because I'm going to recommend
people if they want to read

666
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:06,840
different resources.
Probably the best book,

667
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,200
thankfully slightly better than
Osteen, but still problematic.

668
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:15,840
It was a different world in 2015
than it is in 2025.

669
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,680
One of my favorite books is this
book Adopted for life.

670
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:19,920
It's written by a guy named
Russell Moore.

671
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:21,040
I don't know if you're familiar
with him.

672
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,440
His trajectory isn't like the
best, right?

673
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,120
Like, but it's like it was like
a whole different like this book

674
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:28,080
is actually super solid.
It's.

675
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:32,000
Like 1 of Beth Moore's early
early early studies, probably

676
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:33,720
still OK to do.
Yeah.

677
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,960
So I want to make that caveat
clear where I don't think he's

678
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,160
like in the best place right
now, but this is like really

679
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:43,520
good he uses, he's kind of doing
kind of ripping off his thing

680
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,560
where he's like comparing and
contrasting his adoption where

681
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:48,120
it's like theological.
He was adopted.

682
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:52,120
He adopted 2 two children from
from Russia, and it's like

683
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:53,520
these.
He does a good job of weaving

684
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:54,960
the parallels.
Some of these other books are

685
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,720
really strong, but they're very
theologically heavy.

686
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,280
And then some books, there's one
by Sinclair Ferguson and Joel

687
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:03,520
Beeke, both really good.
They're more devotional, they're

688
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,000
theological.
But anyway, good, good mix of

689
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:07,840
books.
Maybe I'll talk about them down

690
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:12,200
the road and my goal in this
series, which is going to be a

691
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,600
little bit problematic, but it's
like I want to emphasize

692
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:16,400
different persons of the
Trinity.

693
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,320
You can't really do that.
All these passages really talk

694
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,480
about the whole Trinity, but
trying to emphasize different

695
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,200
aspects of our adoption in that
way.

696
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,120
I'm gonna have some testimonies
along the way.

697
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,600
Had a great testimony by Steven
and Emily Bostick and have some

698
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,040
good ones.
I think really lined up because

699
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:34,200
again, it's like we all know.
Adoption also have been on the

700
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,040
podcast.
Also have been on the podcast,

701
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:37,560
yeah, talking about Foster.
That's really cool.

702
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:42,000
I forgot about that.
Where it's like we all know it's

703
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:43,520
true.
Like I'm, I'm trying to weave

704
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:47,000
this line where it's I'm not
really giving anyone any new

705
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:50,680
information, maybe a slightly
different angle to look at very

706
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:54,640
familiar information.
And then really having these

707
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:58,200
testimonies to bring some of
this doctrine, like flesh it

708
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,200
out, like bring it to life a
little bit on the practical

709
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,440
side.
So trying to weave, weave that

710
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,040
together.
But anyway, that's kind of the

711
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:08,120
intro, yeah.
So we talked about putting these

712
00:34:08,199 --> 00:34:12,520
on our channel so they may show
up on Saturdays.

713
00:34:13,159 --> 00:34:15,280
I also did a series and I've
been so busy.

714
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:19,360
I think I got two of them to
sermon audio, but not so we

715
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:21,320
might see.
We'll put the adoption ones

716
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:22,639
first because mine are not
timely.

717
00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:25,880
We'll make sure yours try to
land in November.

718
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:29,480
So that'd be good.
And then maybe this recent, I

719
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:34,960
did a recent thing basically for
kind of my goal was if you're

720
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,600
not very familiar with the Bible
and you wanted to start reading

721
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:42,880
it, I wanted to kind of give you
the broad overview primer so you

722
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:44,400
might see those land.
On what was the name of that

723
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:45,760
class?
I'd like a catchy name.

724
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:47,600
Bible Fast.
Forward What was?

725
00:34:47,679 --> 00:34:49,280
What was Jonathan White's name
of his class?

726
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:50,600
It was like similar but
different.

727
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:54,480
It was something like.
That it was an hour later or

728
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,960
something like that.
It's.

729
00:34:58,120 --> 00:34:59,440
Great, man.
Yeah, it's good.

730
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:04,800
And I'll just, yeah, full
transparency, Bible Fast forward

731
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:06,720
is not original with me.
Oh, OK.

732
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:08,200
Yeah, it's a good name.
Greg Covell.

733
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:12,400
Has a series on it.
And I, it was, I was trying to

734
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,360
think of something because Joel
kept on saying, oh.

735
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:18,600
Like we needed to.
He kept on saying covenants,

736
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,720
covenants, covenants is like,
please don't advertise it as

737
00:35:20,720 --> 00:35:23,680
covenants because it's not just
covenants, although we will be

738
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:25,920
talking about the covenants.
And he's like, well, what would

739
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:27,280
be a good name?
And I was like on the spot.

740
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:32,040
I was like Battle Fast 4 is good
name, but there is a study by

741
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:37,880
Greg Kochel that he really does
look at, but it's it's much

742
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:39,440
longer, more in depth than what
I did.

743
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:40,800
Yeah.
And I don't think he does the

744
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:45,200
textual stuff that I do either.
So kind of same overall thing,

745
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:46,880
but different.
That's cool.

746
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:51,080
Sweet, well kick us off week #1
Adoption.

747
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:54,520
Adoption Month is here now in
November, but look forward to

748
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:55,800
going through this a little bit
later.

749
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,800
That's our take.
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750
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,000
Two.
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751
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,520
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752
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