Cults | The Amish: Simplicity, Separation, and the Gospel Question

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You ever have something like you
just try to get rid of it and

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you can't?
Oh.

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Man, Yeah, yeah, 'cause right
now what we're doing is what

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you're saying.
So I was watching a reel of this

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guy that I watch who left the
Amish.

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Wow.
When he was 17 and it just

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dawned on me we didn't cover the
Amish.

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Wow and.
So we are.

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And so we are, we are right now
covering the Amish.

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Yeah, you were.
You were singing the song a

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little earlier.
Amish Paradise.

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Weird Al.
You know that guy, he's been

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asked about that song.
He said we loved it.

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He said we listened to that and
he's like, we, we loved that

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song.
But probably not gonna get as

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many comments on this episode.
That's many YouTube accounts in

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the Amish world maybe?
Yeah, but maybe some former

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Amish.
There you go.

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That would.
Be good.

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That would be good if if you're
former Amish and you're

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listening to this 'cause it got
served up to you.

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We would love especially 'cause
when we get into the sources, as

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you might imagine, there are not
like a lot of online sources for

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Amish doctrine.
Makes sense.

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So that was a question I had
when I was researching this,

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Like how do we know what we
know?

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And so there were some people
like sit down and interviewed

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and and such.
And so we do have some of that,

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but I feel like we need to once
again, maybe for the last time.

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Yeah, maybe.
Give our disclaimer about cults

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and just say that we're using
cults in the academic sense, OK,

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not the pejorative sense or not
the cultural sense that, you

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know, both of us have advanced
degrees in areas of theology and

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in our studies we did have a
study on the cults.

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Did you have a class on the?
Cults.

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I did.
Yeah, I did.

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Undergraduate.
In Martin School.

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Walter Martin.
Probably have to look it was.

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It was like this huge book, no?
No, mine, it was I, I wish I

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could go back to my to my colt's
class.

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It was great.
It was in my undergrad and we

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just, it went great.
It, it was a little wild in a,

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in a, in a fun way.
I yours was probably better

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than.
Mine.

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OK, All right.
Well, so Colt in the sense is

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really a sect of a religion that
has big differences.

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And so we'll we'll look into the
Amish, not necessarily saying

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that it does even fit into that,
but there are some concerns with

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the doctrine that we're going to
get to.

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So with that, let's take it to
the next level.

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Let's fire up that twangy music.
From the hearts of the Low

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Country in South Carolina.
It's the Take Two podcast where

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we take theology to the next
level.

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The Amish are a radical and a
Baptist offshoot.

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I just heard a a little thing on
my computer, so I'm just making

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sure.
Should we should we start that

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over?
Let's start over.

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Just to be safe.
Just to be safe.

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I mean, should we start over the
I?

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I think everything's fine here.
I don't know what the dung dami.

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All right, everything looks
fine.

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All right.
Sweet.

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All right, so the Amish are a
radical and a Baptist offshoot,

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and we do have some concerns
about their authority structure

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and salvation and really some of
their separation rules which you

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might think are good, like we
probably could use some of

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their.
Separation, finding that

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balance.
And if you don't know a lot

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about the Amish, that's probably
like the one thing you might

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know about the Amish.
Yeah, horse and buggy, you know,

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not using cars, not using
electricity, but they can if

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it's someone else's.
So they can, you know they can.

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Also also, I feel like the yeah,
the clothing really stands out.

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Maybe the facial hair, Like when
you know it, you it's like you

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might know it when you see it.
Yeah, and maybe my facial hair

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is headed in that direction.
You gotta be careful.

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Yeah, I think buttons, you can't
use the buttons because those

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are considered English there.
Yeah, but all right, so the real

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question is, are they a
different religion?

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Do they?
Do they have issues in these key

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doctrines which we've covered in
the other ones?

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But before we get to that, maybe
you don't know much about the

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Amish other than they have good
furniture.

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They can build a barn today.
That's right.

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They can make good pies from
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So other than those kind of
external things, what, what

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should we know about the Amish?
Well, they come out of, like we

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already said, the Anabaptist
movement from the 16th century

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Reformation.
We see everyone's kind of

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separating from the Roman
Catholic Church, there's these

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divisions, and we find the
Anabaptist kind of finding their

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ground.
Don't agree with a lot of what

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Anabaptist movement was about,
but man did they nail rejecting

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infant baptism.
They did.

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They rejected infant baptism,
emphasized believers, baptism,

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and holy living or separate
living, and they were persecuted

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by both Catholics and.
Protestants, they had no

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friends.
It wasn't like they were going

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to like Martin Luther for, you
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It was like, no, he was like,
no, this is not good.

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So then there was this main line
that either was or became the

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Mennonites, and the Amish split
off from the Mennonites in

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1600s.
And we will have a comparison

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between the Amish and the
Midnights at the very end of

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this episode.
They're similar but but the

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Amish is kind of like the more
extreme version.

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So where did their name came
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Jacob.
Jacob Aman.

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I wonder if it's like, you know,
they speak like a German.

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Dialect.
Yeah, You see that Jacob with

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AK, Yeah, you just like want to
say it?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He was a Swiss and a Baptist

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leader, emphasized strict church
discipline, advocated strong

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separation from the world.
Obviously required practices

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like shunning, excommunication
and avoidance.

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I I know most of what I know
about shunning from the office

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cause Dwight Schrute does a
really good shunning.

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Shun, unshun, shun.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.
Oh, and his followers from his

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name took on the Amish.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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OK, nice.
Yeah.

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All right.
And if if you're located in

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America, you probably know this.
Most of our listeners aren't,

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although we do have some in, you
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That's right.
But recent estimates put them at

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350,000 up to 400,000 worldwide.
Up the most of those are in the

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United States.
You're looking at the notes, but

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Lancaster County, Pennsylvania.
Pennsylvania Amish Country.

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Apparently there's some in Ohio
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Those are the three primary and
then there's some pockets in

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Wisconsin, Michigan and
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And see this note here fast.
One of the fastest growing

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religious groups in America.
And you gotta you gotta think

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what are the growing religious
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You know what's not shrinking
with birth rates anyway, So that

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that probably, you know, I'm
sure they're.

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I'm sure they're Mormons and
Islam are the fastest 3 growing.

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I I bet, I bet.
All right, so some of the

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general characteristics we
talked about this known for

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their plain clothing, their
plain dress, separation from

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modern culture, limited use of
technology, horse and buggy

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transportation, strong community
structure, and emphasis on

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humility and obedience.
They don't speak English

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regularly to outsiders.
They would, but they would speak

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a dialect of German called
Pennsylvania Dutch.

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I think Joel speaks a little bit
of this our.

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Pastor, let's let's ask.
Milk, milk and.

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That's what it is.
Oh, I.

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Love it their church structure,
they don't have centralized

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authority.
So kind of a full swing away

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from our our what we just did on
the Catholics in Eastern

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Orthodox, they do have local
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Decisions are communal, not
individual.

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Man, and so that comes into play
with like the shunning all the

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stuff.
It is very like a community feel

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at this based on everything that
that they do.

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So if you're gonna like defect
it, that's a pretty big deal

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'cause you're, it's not like
you've got a few friends.

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It's like, man, you get cut off.
It is, yeah.

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So this guy that that I was
watching, he left when he was 17

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and basically his family wanted
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number of years.
Then finally they're like, you

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can come back and visit, but
that like he comes back and he

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visits like in the evening so
that other people in the

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community don't see him.
And he even tries to like like

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he's was wearing a button up
shirt that we no one would think

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anything about, but that was
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And so his mom asked him if he
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So he like he has his shirt that
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visits so.
Wow man.

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All right, So what do we know
about their beliefs?

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I'll let you just tell us about
this confession of faith.

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The.
Tortricht.

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I can't say it.
Yeah, it's some German name

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Dortreich Dortricht.
OK. 1632 so right in line with

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like 1689, you got like
Westminster.

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It's like all the confessions
were being, you know, written.

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And that confession of faith is
shared with the Mennonites, then

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they just their live practice is
some of how we know there's

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ethnographic research.
So Donald Kraybill wrote the

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Riddle of the Amish culture.
So some of this is pulled from

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that interviews, internal
teaching traditions and sources.

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We'll have a full sources
section at the end.

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Not that we got to go through
all of them, but just kind of

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mentioned some if you were
interested in reading more.

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All right, The Ordnung Ordnung,
it's not a published rule book.

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It is an oral community specific
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It's enforced by the local
Bishop, and the Ordnung would

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control everything about your
life if you're an.

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Amish, and so you're saying kind
of varies from community to

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community, so each community has
their own ordinance?

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Correct.
Yeah, yeah.

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And so it would govern what that
community could use as far as

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technology or their limits.
Like you can't own this, but you

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could use this type of thing
their dress what behavior is

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acceptable social boundaries and
the we would say is not

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scripture, obviously, but it
functions like it's a binding

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authority gotcha.
So it's.

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A it's a pretty big deal.
It might be like a Protestant

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point, like a Presbyterian
saying, hey, I love Westminster

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Confession of faith really
important.

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It's not Scripture but as I
don't know if it's the same as

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this but in as much as it agrees
with Scripture and in Scripture

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but it's like it's an important
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I would say it's even more for
the Amish, for the Amish.

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A person there in the community
may not be able to distinguish

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between the authorities of
Scripture and, and the org nug,

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like the org Nug is just in
fact, I have a note somewhere.

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We'll we'll probably see it and,
and get to it.

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But it would be similar to the
fence laws that the Jews had

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under, you know, the, the Second
Temple Talmud, I think it is.

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So basically we know that, you
know, it's, this is keeping us

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in line type of thing.
It's not exactly like that, but

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it would have the same force.
And you would do it if you were

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in good state.
Like it's like you would just,

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if you're a good Pharisee or
whatever, you're gonna like, do

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these things, yeah.
All right, so let's look at the

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four doctrinal areas that we
have looked at for each one of

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the past, several of of these.
So theology Proctor, that's

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good, affirm historic Christian
orthodoxy regarding God.

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So no issues here.
They affirm Father, Son, Holy

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Spirit, classical doctrines of
God.

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Dude, good job Amish, we're one
for one.

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One for one Christology, their
view of Jesus again, fully

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orthodox, full deity of Christ,
full humanity of Christ, death

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and resurrection.
So no meaningful break. 2 for

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two.
They're nailing it.

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Where could they go wrong?
All right, well, here's where we

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might start having concerns.
Their view of what it means to

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be saved.
Like if you were to ask them,

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what do I need to be saved?
A careful learned Amish might be

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able to give you an answer close
to what we would give.

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But someone that's just in the
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would say that, you know, you
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rule follower.
So there's a huge emphasis on

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obedience and submission.
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faithfulness to within that
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And then there's a lack of
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So you could, you know, be good,
be good, be good, be.

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Good, but you make that.
It almost.

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Reminds me, it's different, but
like, man, fundamentalism, like

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we like, it's like the gospel's
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it's not there and maybe some
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these works.
I mean, it's different, but, you

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know, you can see I can relate
to the strong emphasis on

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assurances, not huge rule.
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All right, so their functional
model salvation is often

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functions as faith, which we
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they would add on obedience,
church membership and conformity

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to the local ordnung that we
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And of course, we would see this
as being in tension with key

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biblical doctrines like we'd
find in Ephesians 289 by grace

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you've been saved through faith
and that not of yourselves as a

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gift to God, not a result of
works.

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And the one may boast Galatians
216 you're not justified by

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works of the law.
Romans where Paul would say it's

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either by grace or works, it
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So those would be some of the
key issues that we've raised

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with other folks where works
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what it means to be justified.
So there's no clear distinction

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for them, just like others
between, you know, justification

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being declared righteous and
sanctification where you're

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growing in your practical
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Man, so kind of looking at that
topic of assurance it it might

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be hard for someone who is Amish
to be like, man, I know it

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without a shadow of a doubt,
100% I'm saved.

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Yeah, Yeah, they would.
They would they would have

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difficulty saying that because
you wouldn't know that until

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unless you died in good standing
and and living a good life.

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Yeah, cool.
All right.

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Authority, bibliology or Sola
scriptur.

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Where do they fall on this?
They affirm the Bible as

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authoritative.
So if you ask someone, they

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could probably give you the the
right answer.

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But in practical function, you
do have scripture, you have

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church tradition, you have your
community interpretation.

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And then there's this key thing,
the ordnook again, keep showing

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up.
And here's my note about the

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offense laws in the Second
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Just like the Jews created those
extra rules to prevent God

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breaking God's law, they started
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And so Jesus would even say, you
know, you've elevated your laws

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to be equal to the God.
God's laws.

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Mark 7-8 says you leave the
commandment of God and hold to

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the tradition of men.
So it's not that they don't have

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authority, it's just that some
of the authority is placed in

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Scripture.
But maybe on a practical level

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it's more in the ordinate.
And that that's good.

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And going back to this
fundamentalist comparison, it's

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like church, I grew up.
I don't want to paint in a

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battle like preach the gospel.
Great.

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But there were maybe certain
families there super on that

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fundamentalist side, which might
be like, hey, women shouldn't

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wear pants and it and they would
not say that superseded

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scripture, but that was kind of
like, at least for them in their

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circle, like the community
expectation that they would be

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like, Oh yeah, that aligned
with.

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Scripture.
Amen.

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Praise be to God for cool hots
no matter what cool hots at all

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times.
But but you can see like how

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this can get flipped practically
at least, you know, like, that's

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not like too outlandish, you
know?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
The The church that my family

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went to when we were in
Michigan, same thing.

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Very legalistic, very from the
Who's the guy that wrote all

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those books?
Oh yeah.

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You know who I'm talking.
About I I I think I do in my

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mind.
You had those conferences of

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youth, youth conferences.
Yeah, I know what you mean.

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You you probably know that's
what happens when you, oh, you

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can't remember names.
It'll come to me in a little

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bit.
But yes, very in that that line

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of legalism about what you could
wear and stuff like that.

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All right, so those are the four
big doctrines.

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So really you could be Amish as
an individual and be saved, have

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faith in Christ.
The only concern that we would

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have is if on a practical level
in some of those communities,

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that faith is deemphasized and
works and really works according

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to the org NUG are emphasized
above and you know, above and

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beyond, you know, faith in
Christ for his sacrifice in the

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cross.
I as we transition to the next

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area, I love how they refer to
outsiders as English.

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You know, yes, really, really go
in there 'cause they're ban if

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you, if you are English and you
have English technologies, we're

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we're, we're banning those
English technologies.

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That's right.
Yeah.

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So like, like you said, they
refer to outsiders as English.

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And you could see that some of
these restrictions might be

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good.
You know, yeah, we probably

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could use some moderation, but
we would say this is an issue of

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wisdom, not of sin.
Yeah.

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Yeah, and you look at all the
stats I've read, everyone's

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like, well, you know, the Amish,
your way healthier, way less

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incidence of like all these
diseases, autism, all the things

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you know, so, you know, ADHD,
there's no doubt I.

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Mean, but they're all also
working all the day, you know,

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all to.
Building barns, Yeah, barn

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raisings and all these.
Things they don't have, you

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know, the chronic diseases of
sitting in an office, you know,

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for 8 hours a day.
But these state of purpose of

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these separations, they prevent
pride.

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They help preserve the
community, they avoid

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worldliness and they maintain
separation.

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So and of course we would see
some of these, those goals, as

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good Romans 12/2 says, do not be
conformed to this world.

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So, but you can, you know, take
that too far.

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Totally.
And and essentially we've been

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talking about you fall into
legalism.

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Maybe there's a couple different
levels that we can talk about

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here.
Yeah, So I think like legalism,

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light, at the very least, you
could see how this is elevating

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human rules to divine status.
And so if you break one of these

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rules, it's considered sin.
And that that's that's a

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problem.
You know, Paul, even when

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talking about like eating meat,
you know, sacrificed to idols is

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like, it's not really that bad.
But if you think it's bad, it's

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bad, right?
So you shouldn't go against your

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conscience, but you also
shouldn't raise those rules up

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to be equal to God.
But then the second type of

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legalism which is more serious
in nature, which probably exists

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like we said in other areas, is
where you know you are trying to

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follow these made-up rules in
order to get justifica

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justification.
And so that is that that is no

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bueno.
No bueno.

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Basically wrote all of Galatians
to address that is.

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That the Spanish version you
have that memorized the Spanish

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version, that's Galatians.
But yeah, so and, and, and we

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should say, just like with
everything else, it's like maybe

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this one community is a little
bit more in this direction, a

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little bit less.
This is, you know, broad

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strokes.
Yeah, it is broad strokes

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because it they don't have a
centralized authority.

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So it's hard to know unless you
were to live with a particular

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community and figure out what
what they were doing.

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And so I want to say, you know,
what does Orthodoxy say about

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those?
Well, salvation justification

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comes from faith alone, apart
from works, law keeping and rule

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keeping.
We would say that if you had a

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life trajectory that indicated
that, you know, you weren't

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living according to God's plan,
we would say maybe you're not a

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true believer.
But again, we're judging this

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off of your whole life, not off
of following an individual rule.

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And those rules that we're
talking about are, you know, the

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rules you would find in
Scripture are not, you know,

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your, are you using a cell phone
or not?

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Yeah, that is a very good
distinction.

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And Speaking of distinctions,
let's get into the fun stuff.

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I feel like the other thing
people know about Amish is

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Rumspringa is like, you go
crazy, at least in all the

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sitcoms, it's like you just go
so crazy.

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Total rebellion.
It's this like, you can do

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anything you want for a period
of time.

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What?
What's What's it really?

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Well, I think you might find
some of that because I have seen

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like a documentary on PBS this
like 10 years ago, I think,

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where they followed some Amish,
you know, young adults, late,

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you know, or older kids.
And it was something like that.

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But that doesn't mean that
they're all like that.

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They do want the youth to
experience the outside world.

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And then this is the time where
they decide like, hey, are you

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going to make this faith your
own or not?

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Yeah, there's something to that.
Like I don't agree with this

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practice, but I like that in
some way they're asking that

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person, Hey, you got to make a
decision now, join the church or

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not.
Like you're not like in the

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snowman's like wishy washy.
I feel like, you know, in

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America it's the opposite
problem.

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It's like extended adolescence
and there's no decision making.

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And he just kind of drifts.
Don't think Rome Springer's

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probably the way to go, but at
least they're making like

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there's like they're putting
some accountability on on the

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kid.
Yeah, and if you don't choose,

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you are not formally shunned at
that point.

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I did not know this OK.
I think it practically, you

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might be shunned in practice,
like, well, you're not formally

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shunned, but you can't be a part
of us 'cause you're not a part

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of us type of thing.
Speaking of shunning Maidung, I

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guess that's how you pronounce
that Medung.

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That sounds Asian instead of
German.

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I don't know, but it's a German
word and it's basically their

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word for shunning.
And we talked about, you know,

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the restrictions from their
normal interactions is socially

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avoided.
They're going to base this on

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1st Corinthians 511 that says
don't even eat with such a one,

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which, you know, if you are
informal shunning, this would

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apply.
But maybe they are over

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shunning.
You know, they've got to shun

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shunning down too far.
Yeah.

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And also, you know that I agree
with exactly how they carry it

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out.
There's something to this, too,

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where if you exercise church
discipline, it's good to make it

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mean something, You know?
I think the thing in America too

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is you just never address
anything and you'll let

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everything drift and no one
cares and you just carry on.

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No, Yep.
All right.

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We're just kind of going over
some of the unique

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characteristics of Amish, not
necessarily things that would

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be, you know, rise to the level
of heretical.

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One of those other unique
characteristics is their stance

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on pacifism.
Boom, no military service.

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I'm against all violence.
There you go.

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Based on Matthew 539, do not
resist the the one who is evil.

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However, if you're rightly
dividing all the scripture, you

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might go, well, Romans 13 talks
about the government bearing

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sword and it's authorized from
God to do so.

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There's got to be someone, some
person who actually stands in

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that office.
So it doesn't seems like that

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wouldn't that would be fine.
You know, it's not just like

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evil people that God puts in
public office to do those

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things.
Genesis 9, you know, we see Noah

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00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:09,400
coming out of the ark and we see
capital punishment explicitly

452
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:13,040
allowed.
Proverbs 2411 says rescue those

453
00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:17,000
being LED away to death.
And Proverbs 327 says do not

454
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,680
withhold good from those to whom
it is due when it is in your

455
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,840
power to act.
And I think most people would

456
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,640
say that saving someones life
would be a good.

457
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:28,800
Probably, I think so.
I I think you're right about

458
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:30,680
that.
One, unless it's the guy that,

459
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:34,920
you know, Mr. Incredible saves,
you know, OK, you don't get you

460
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:36,880
don't get those references.
Back over my head, yeah.

461
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,480
Yeah, yeah, everyone else.
Is loving it.

462
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:43,800
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
All right, so, and and last note

463
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:47,200
here, the Mosaic law does all.
We're not underneath the Mosaic

464
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,920
law proper.
It does have a category for

465
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:55,040
self-defense that is allowed.
So all right, Amish, Mennonite

466
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:59,560
comparison, just quickly go
through these again.

467
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:01,560
They both come from the
Anabaptist tradition.

468
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:06,640
They historically share the same
trinological theology, Orthodox

469
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:10,240
Christology, believers, baptism,
all the things that we talked

470
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:16,760
about, pacifism, separation, key
differences is really in degree.

471
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,720
The Amish are going to practice
a more strict and more

472
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:25,080
consistent version of shunning,
whereas the Mennonites, they

473
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:28,320
practice discipline, but it's
not, it's less formal.

474
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:30,560
Yeah, they're more chill.
They're more chill, yeah.

475
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:32,640
Yeah.
Yeah.

476
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,760
As far as separation, again, and
it's matters of degree.

477
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:40,760
You can see Mennonite
communities, but they're not as

478
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:46,520
separate as the Amish and it's
not as structured as the Amish

479
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:51,480
for authority and community.
The Amish we talked about, the

480
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:55,480
Ordnung is, you know, it's a
binding like this is, this is

481
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:57,720
going to be part of who our
community is.

482
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:02,040
Whereas the midnights are going
to have a wider spectrum, you

483
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:05,280
know, where they may allow some
significant individual freedom

484
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,920
in their community.
And I wonder if Mennonite's like

485
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,400
if like you run across 1
midnight and you're like, oh,

486
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,720
you're Amish.
They they're like, dude, not

487
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,520
that strict.
Like way way more.

488
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:18,960
Yeah, I'm sure that they they
get that a little bit I'm.

489
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:21,120
Sure, just everyone
automatically maybe goes to the

490
00:26:22,360 --> 00:26:27,920
Amish calling.
Again, for salvation insurance

491
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:32,880
for the Amish, just, I know this
is a little bit repetitive, but

492
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,520
you know, salvation is closely
tied to community membership and

493
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,320
conformity.
The Mennonite is often more

494
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,840
individual expressed, more
consciously driven.

495
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:45,000
So maybe that little bit more of
a sweet spot where we would

496
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,560
recognize him, the good that the
Amish are doing, but not to the

497
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:51,440
extreme that the Amish do it.
Sources.

498
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:55,000
If you're looking for more on
this, the Dortrik.

499
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:58,040
Dortrik, I'm sure I
mispronounced that confession of

500
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:02,480
faith from 1632.
There's also a Mennonite

501
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:07,160
Confession of Faith from 1995,
and then some historical and

502
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,080
academic sources.
Introduction in Mennonite

503
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,800
history, the Riddle of the Amish
culture.

504
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:16,240
We already referenced that, so
I'm sure if you were interested

505
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:20,400
you could find others.
So really kind of the the bottom

506
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:24,160
line, the Amish, they don't deny
the Trinity or the personhood of

507
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:27,960
Christ.
They have a good view of God.

508
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:33,600
So it's really how much is works
working its way into salvation.

509
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,600
Now that that's a good way to
put it, very separatist.

510
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,800
And on that authority structure,
you know, what do they base

511
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,560
their salvation on?
I like it.

512
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,840
And maybe this rounds out our
series, maybe it doesn't.

513
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:49,480
Yeah, I think, well, I think we
have one more in the series.

514
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,360
To round out the series.
Basically to round out the

515
00:27:51,360 --> 00:27:53,360
series where we're going to look
at the book of Jude.

516
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:54,240
Nice.
I like it.

517
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:54,920
It's good.
Yeah.

518
00:27:55,360 --> 00:27:58,720
Sweets we transitioning to the.
Final take.

519
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:02,280
The final take, Yeah, You were
in enemy territory.

520
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,120
Oh.
I wasn't in enemy territory

521
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:06,360
tonight.
Yeah, eating at Steel City.

522
00:28:06,360 --> 00:28:10,400
How, How dare you set your How
dare you, a Patriots fan, set

523
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,000
your foot in that fine eating
establishment?

524
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:16,680
Oh man, like I was.
I told Zach before we started

525
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:18,800
recording that it's really it is
good food.

526
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,000
Yeah, I like, I like Steel City.
Yeah, it's really good.

527
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:25,640
It's like good enough to make
the playoffs regularly but not

528
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:30,160
necessarily win a playoff game.
Yeah, yeah, you know, that's the

529
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,400
story I'm on.
I do like still city pizza

530
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:34,240
though, but and it's right
there, convenient next to

531
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:36,040
Northwood.
You know it is.

532
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,320
You got you guys.
We had like a pay my vote or

533
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:42,320
like how did we?
Oh, yeah, This was so we were

534
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,440
going to eat out.
This is actually our Sunday

535
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:46,600
meal.
Translated to Tuesday evening.

536
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:48,320
Yeah, yeah.
Because we're going to eat out

537
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,080
for Easter and then we did in
that evening and then we're

538
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,200
going to do it last night and
didn't work out.

539
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,920
And then it's like if we don't
do it soon, it's not.

540
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,280
Really makes.
Sense because we're trying to do

541
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,360
Top Golf sometime this week as
well.

542
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:02,480
Sweet for spring break type
stuff.

543
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,320
Yeah, that's really fun.
I was like.

544
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,560
Trying to get us to go to
heavies or pose, but it just did

545
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:10,720
not work with us recording.
And we wanted to, you know, be

546
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,480
faithful to what we said about
recording tonight, too, so.

547
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:15,760
That's good.
You can if you need to.

548
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:17,160
I mean.
Not that it makes difference now

549
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,040
because you're but you were
saying that one thing about like

550
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,200
Karis and Chloe that like rubbed
you the wrong way.

551
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,440
Do you remember?
Can you say that you're like

552
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:26,640
going on and on?
No, I'm just kidding.

553
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:32,400
Karis and Chloe happened to be
in the house listening so.

554
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:36,520
So we got to be careful, be on
our PS and QS.

555
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:39,040
You know that's.
Right, what'd you get?

556
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:43,280
Lasagna is what you said I got.
Lasagna I had, so I had to go

557
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:48,000
buy Sam's Club where I sent you
a picture of this sauna

558
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:52,240
wonderful that you're wanting,
and I got a slice of pizza

559
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:53,680
there, so it's like I didn't
want another slice of.

560
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:54,520
Pizza.
Oh, I see.

561
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,680
Yeah.
I didn't necessarily want wings

562
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:58,800
either, so I got some lasagna,
which is kind of.

563
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:00,440
Yeah, I've never had their
lasagna there.

564
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:01,200
I don't go there.
Pretty good.

565
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:02,280
Yeah, it's pretty.
Good.

566
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,000
Pretty cheesy, so yeah.
That's good.

567
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:09,120
I get the they have like a like
a Steel City kind of pizza, like

568
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:10,880
I don't know what it's called,
but it's kind of like a.

569
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:13,240
They're.
They yeah, something like that.

570
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:14,280
Like that?
Yeah, whatever.

571
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:15,640
And that's what you get when you
that's.

572
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,520
Really good, you know, getting
the but yeah, haven't been there

573
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:20,160
in a while.
We've got a gift card there.

574
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:23,200
So like we got to go.
We almost went there today.

575
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:25,400
Oh wow.
But it would have been at like

576
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,480
way earlier, you guys, but we
decided that didn't work out.

577
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:33,520
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
They have a Hawaiian pizza with

578
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,280
a hot honey.
Well, their menu changed.

579
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:38,440
I didn't look at their pizzas
because I didn't want pizza.

580
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:43,400
So it is possible that it's not
on their new menu because I

581
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,800
didn't look at it.
But previously they had that and

582
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:46,520
it was pretty good.
I've.

583
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:48,320
Yeah.
So you're obviously a pro

584
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:50,240
pineapple on the pizza guy
because you know, that's like a

585
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,080
thing.
Oh yeah, I, I, I, I like, I need

586
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:54,280
to on the pizza.
I need to.

587
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:56,920
People get all banana shape out
of it, you know, I like

588
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,000
pineapple on the pizza.
And I will say this, our last

589
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,240
D&D session we ordered Marco's
Pizza.

590
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:02,480
Oh.
Yeah, I like theirs.

591
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,040
And there what is we got some.
We got some with pineapple.

592
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:09,560
We also got some with anchovies.
Oh, that's, that's my, it was my

593
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:11,280
first time and I was, I've never
had it before.

594
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,600
I'm fine with this because like
I eat sardines and that's fine.

595
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,960
And I ate one slice with it on
anchovies and I was like, you

596
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,360
know what?
I am not fine with anchovies.

597
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,640
On pizzas.
I am against it I.

598
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,720
Don't even know, I've never had
it but it just doesn't sound

599
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:27,280
great.
I just feel like something

600
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,040
really salty, I don't know.
You know, yeah, it was.

601
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:30,920
Yeah.
It's just.

602
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:32,880
Who's who?
Who wanted it?

603
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:37,760
Adam Well, Richard and and James
both were like, yeah, I'm down

604
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,640
with anchovies, so.
And I ate one slice too, yeah.

605
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:41,720
So I should knock it till I
tried?

606
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:43,520
I've never tried it.
Just, you know, someone was

607
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:45,960
like, this is the last piece
because we only got half of 1 of

608
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:46,600
the pizza.
Oh yeah.

609
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,480
That makes sense, yeah.
This is the last one with

610
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,720
anchovies.
I was like, eat it, take it,

611
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:55,680
don't, don't worry about me so.
Man covered our bases.

612
00:31:55,680 --> 00:32:00,200
Amish, Mennonites and pizza.
Yeah, and one other thing about

613
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,920
D&D is we figured this out.
This is, I was thinking this is

614
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,400
going to air after this 'cause
we're actually pretty ahead in

615
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,120
recording.
So, so we got like a week and

616
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:14,280
1/2 in advance, maybe more.
So I was concerned that I was

617
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,000
preaching this Sunday 'cause I'd
forgotten.

618
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,560
And then I was like, it was
like, no, it's next Sunday.

619
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,680
I was like, OK, that's good.
But then I realized, so I'll be

620
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:25,160
teaching Sunday school.
Yeah.

621
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,840
That'll be stressful.
Preaching, which I've done that

622
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:31,400
before, done both of us, and
then our D&D is that afternoon.

623
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:33,680
Wow, it's gonna.
Be a full day.

624
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,320
Dude big.
I should just lead lead singing

625
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:37,480
that day and just have, well,
why?

626
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:39,560
Not you only.
Do the Michael Mott show, Yeah.

627
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:40,920
Do announcements while you're
at.

628
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,120
It'll be great.
Maybe you could do like a riff

629
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,200
on the piano too.
Like run over there and like be

630
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:46,360
like 10.
Watch this you know.

631
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:47,800
It's all me.
It's all me.

632
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:49,360
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's yeah.
There you go.

633
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,320
But you're gonna.
Be preaching here pretty soon,

634
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,840
right?
Hey, I'm I'm not anti against

635
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:55,600
it.
I just, I, I don't think I can

636
00:32:55,600 --> 00:33:01,040
do it in the flow of I need to
like prepare more of it.

637
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,160
I can't do it in the flow of
like the Sermon on the Mount or

638
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:04,080
like, you know, like look ahead
you.

639
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:05,960
Want to do your own?
I would have to like know, I

640
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:07,760
would have to like know where to
be.

641
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:09,520
You know what I mean?
I can't like wait like 2 weeks

642
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:10,400
out.
I would like.

643
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,800
To prepare, I do want to ask
Joel tomorrow if I pick up on

644
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,040
somewhere on the mount, like
where are you going to be at?

645
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:20,320
What, what section am I going to
have 'cause I was thinking I

646
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,600
might, you know, there was a
part of me that's like, I just

647
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,720
basically executed the book of
Jude.

648
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:28,480
Oh yeah.
And I was like, I could just

649
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:32,880
preach Jude as well.
So I don't know.

650
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,360
So it'll either be Sermon on the
Mount or Jude.

651
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,280
Yeah, I was going to bring it up
tomorrow at our meeting 'cause I

652
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:42,560
felt either at our last meeting
or the meeting before felt your

653
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,240
piercing eyes staring.
I was like not looking at, it's

654
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:46,440
like you're staring into my
soul.

655
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,640
So.
But it would be good.

656
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:52,240
Oh, great.
Yeah.

657
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:53,440
Well, I guess maybe one of
these.

658
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,280
We'll get a recap on Michael
Day.

659
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:56,600
Where you?
Where you and 'cause you'll be

660
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,800
coming out of the D&D the day
before.

661
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:01,560
So no, no, it's the D&D that
night.

662
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,200
Oh, after on Sunday.
After Oh, that's good.

663
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:05,560
So you'll be like, I mean,
tired.

664
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:07,560
But there's a lot, like, since
I'm in the DM, there's a lot of

665
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:09,960
prep that goes into it.
So I'm like, I'll be prepping

666
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:13,440
for my lesson, wow, prepping for
my sermon, prepping for the D&D

667
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:18,280
session.
And this is the session where we

668
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:22,400
fight the big bad ego guy BBEG
that basically caps off.

669
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:24,600
So it's a pretty big session.
That's a big deal.

670
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,320
I don't know if the group would
like this, but hear me out.

671
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:29,560
There's a lot about D&D you
might want to take.

672
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:33,560
My advice.
You should do a session based on

673
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:39,120
false teachers and Jude not
parenting well and then you can

674
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:40,639
like prepare for all of your
Sunday school.

675
00:34:40,639 --> 00:34:42,480
The message Andy, Andy, all at
once.

676
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,360
Jonathan did mention like, you
know, I hope there's bleed over.

677
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,360
I was like, you talk about the
session into the preaching.

678
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:49,120
He's like, it doesn't matter
either way.

679
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,600
He's like, you know, maybe one
of us do something wrong and

680
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:55,159
boom, we have leprosy, you know?
Yeah, that actually be pretty

681
00:34:55,159 --> 00:34:57,520
funny if like you just started
preaching and it was, I don't

682
00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:59,080
know how the ending session
goes, but you just were going

683
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:00,360
off that script.
You're like, Oh, no.

684
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:02,960
Wrong, Wrong scripts.
So you're walking into the

685
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:04,440
dungeon.
I need everyone to make a

686
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,800
perception check that.
'D be pretty good, Pretty good.

687
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:09,760
Well, I think we did it.
We covered.

688
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:13,160
It all I think so.
Until next time, that's our

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take.
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