End Times 101: How Should We Read Revelation?

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Well, we covered a bunch of
different end times views.

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That's right, some of them are
right.

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Some of them are wrong.
Some of them are wrong, but by

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very, by the very nature, you
know, they can't.

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They're kind of mutually
exclusive, I guess.

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Historic pre mill and dispute
pre mill.

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Yeah, they have overlap.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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A lot of overlap.
And then at least especially my

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version.
Yeah, especially your version of

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the post Trib.
Yeah, yeah.

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The the if we had a true, yeah,
first or second wave

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dispensational of that
conversation would have been

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different.
And we, I don't know, I thought

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should we've done a episode just
for that, but I don't, I don't

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know what we gained.
I think we've talked about it

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enough where people would
understand and I hope I know

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what some of the stuff is hard
to break down, but I hope it was

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like as Simply put, I know we we
dove into some text, but yeah,

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that's right.
And so we thought we would do

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our next episode.
You're probably like, what's the

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other view there?
There's when I almost been an

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episode on something called it's
like new creation alienism and

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but it's basically a spin off of
pre meal.

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That's kind of like the like
it's almost like what you

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thought with post meal
initially.

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It's it's kind of like that,
like it like ushers in the

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Millennium.
You have to do with that kind of

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all like, like we're restoring
community.

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It's like, but it's it's still a
literal.

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Mill and a pre meal put together
like the the lead up to and then

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he comes in and he reigns.
Yeah, yeah.

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And it was like kind of too
similar.

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It wasn't that different.
It was hard to make a whole

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episode on it.
And it's poorly defined.

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And I, I think some people are
like carving that out now as

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like a distinction.
It's not not super defined.

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It's not going to make like I've
got the ESB study Bible in front

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of me.
It's not going to make the ESB

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study Bible.
They.

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Just call it biblical
eschatology.

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That that is the best passive
aggressive way to like assert

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your, your, you just put
biblical in front in front of it

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and you're like, you win, you
win the argument.

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That's good.
Well, today, instead of going

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over a different view, we
thought we would look at how to

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read Revelation because there's
a lot of different ways to

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process it.
And, and a lot of that, as we

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have discussed, plays into your
end times view, what you think

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is going to happen.
And there there's starkly

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different ways you, you can
reach.

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So I thought, we thought maybe
that would be a good idea.

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I like to talk about, hey,
people like to talk about

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revelations, which is the first
mistake.

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Yeah, you're saying revelations.
I I guess you could say I've had

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many revelations.
Right, right.

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But.
You've only read one Book of

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Revelation.
Right.

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So we're just trying to help you
out.

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If you're in a conversation,
that's a telltale sign.

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If someone says that, start
targeting that person because

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maybe they don't have all their
ducks in a row because, you

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know, they're saying
Revelations.

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But you know, many of us have
read Revelation and and had

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these impulses.
So I take it literally,

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symbolically, historically,
something else or some of it one

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way, some of it another.
Is it just a future timeline to

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the code?
Is it just a drama between good

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and evil?
Is it mostly all in the past?

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These things happened in the 1st
century.

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Because before you decide what
Revelation means, you have to

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decide, you know, what's it
talking about?

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How are you going to read it?
That's very important.

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Who?
Hermeneutical Principle.

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Very is very it really is.
It's very important because

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well, yeah, I guess, yeah, you
could I think maybe some

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readings wood forest you in a
particular view, but probably

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all views could could stand some
some certain types of readings.

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Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, I I think you're

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right.
We'll we'll get into, but let's

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go ahead and take it to the next
level.

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Let's fire up that twanga music.
From the hearts of the Low

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we take theology to the next
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Well, Michael, what, what kind
of book is Revelation?

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How would you describe it?
Because I, I that's where a lot

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of the conversation centers
around and, and it, it's

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challenging to unpack.
You know what?

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What genre is this book?
Yeah, I think well the the go to

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answer is apocalyptic and but I
think there is some circularity

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here that you could have cause
clearly there are, you know some

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of those pop apocalyptic.
Elements.

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In it but if you know I've asked
this question before how would

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you literally say that there's
12 or something or 40 or

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something or without because
those numbers that can have like

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kind of stand in the place of
something it's hard to

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communicate literal numbers if
you can't take anything

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literally at all so yeah you're.
Trying to communicate something

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and it is hard and I think
you're right.

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When in doubt, if you just say
apocalyptic, you can like free

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your hands up.
You can not.

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Not that people want to make it
whatever you want to make it,

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but you can kind of like detach
any strong meaning.

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Kind of it might be overstating
that a little bit, but but it

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definitely fits that because it
does use classic apocalyptic

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signs like vivid symbolic
symbolic imagery to reveal

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spiritual realities.
It was common at that time in

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Jewish literature that that's
part of the problem.

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Today we're like, wait, a people
don't read AB We don't have a

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ton of apocalyptic genre that
would be weird to us.

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That's like not not the go to an
American culture.

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I know we're reading through
list, but like there are also

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similar creation stories at the
time Genesis were written, but I

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think it would be a mistake to
go, oh, look at these other near

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Eastern, ancient near Eastern
creation myths.

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Genesis is exactly like that.
We have to interpret it that way

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because, you know, I think we we
would all agree scripture is

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unique.
So we read it for try to what it

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is not that we can't gain the
insight by reading, but you

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don't want to just go oh.
Because of these extra biblical

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sources, I like that I'm I'm
putting together in the process

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of putting together a series on
how not to read your Bible.

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And that's one of the things you
can.

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I love historical cultural
backgrounds, but you don't want

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to make it the foreground and
interpret the text through that.

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You want to make it an aid and
it's like helpful, but it it

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might not just because, you
know, certain books are in this

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way, we can't that doesn't mean
everything in this book gets

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because it's altogether
different to the word of God.

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So that's good.
So I think we're going to get

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into not only is apocalyptic,
but it's prophecy as well.

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And when you when you think of
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prophets, you know, I think we
always just automatically jump

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up telling the future, which is
a big part of it, but not always

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you read prophets.
It's not always about what's

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happened in the future.
Some of this stuff, you know, is

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speaking just those words of
God.

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We're.
Pretty sure that it was you know

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there are some views that would
make it past him us, but it was

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still future tense to John
that's.

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Pretty that that's true.
That's very true.

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Also, it's a letter.
It it says that should be

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written, you know, read aloud
this letter, you know, blessed

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is the person.
So it is rooted in a real

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historical context.
So isn't isn't it isn't just

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about predicting the future, but
it's revealing a spiritual

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reality to people in that day
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You know, these things must
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things.
So those are really, I think

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like what people are going to
point to apocalyptic.

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It's prophecy, it's a letter.
So that being said, there's a

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lot of, it's not
one-size-fits-all, a little bit

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of of different genres kind of
colliding.

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It takes some skill to to read
and sort out.

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And and we should, I'll be the
first to say I'm strong in my

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end times position.
I'm strong in my reading

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revelation.
It's OK.

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I could be wrong.
I'm not like I've nailed

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everything because it is.
And maybe you're right in this

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area and not right in this area.
That's, you know, fine.

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So maybe we can start and and we
can like work together and go

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over just a basic structure,
just kind of hit some of the

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high points just to give people
a flavor.

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Or if you haven't read through
it, you know, get these things

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in order and then kind of
discuss how do you read these

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different things?
Very good.

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So chapter one starts out this
vision, vision of Christ, really

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famous vision like reminds
people of Daniel and these

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things like, Oh man, this is
this is pretty great.

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Did your church grow up singing
talk about John?

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John, the Revelation.
Oh no, but I like this.

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OK, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Maybe we can.

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I won't remember.
So I always say maybe we can put

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that somewhere.
I won't remember what I'm

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producing.
I grew up with that song.

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Oh, I like it.
Yeah.

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Yeah.
You know, talk about this first

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vision, this chapter.
That's, that's great.

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Chapter one kind of kicks us
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You know, John's in the spirit
on the Lord's day, these things.

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Then chapters 2 and three, we
get these different letters to

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the churches and you know, this
is this is like the safe area of

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revelation that the teach
preach, do because it's like

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these are historical, whether
it's before it gets into the

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craziness, you know, quote UN
quote.

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And there are even some
different interpretations of the

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churches because I've heard some
people like, were all these

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literal churches?
Were they just symbolic?

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Were they symbolic of different
ages of the church?

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Church will go through all of
that can be in there.

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So, yeah, yeah.
So that it's not like a total

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slam dunk there.
There's still some.

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Variety.
It's still a safe that you can

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teach through that without
having to pull out all the

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charts and stuff.
In chapters 4 and five, we kind

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of get transported, transported
to this throne room.

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We see, you know, these visions
of these great, you know,

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passages you sing in songs come
from Chapter 5, then big section

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chapter 6 through 16.
Both of the book.

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Here a lot, you're in the middle
of it.

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You got seals, you got trumpets,
you got bowls, you got all these

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different cycles of judgment
that are happening.

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You know, the question is, are
these just progressive and it's

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just like chronological, Are
they like repeats,

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recapitulations.
Chapter 17 through 19 we see the

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fall of Babylon, the return of
Christ's you know, doesn't take

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if you if you haven't paying
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Chapter 20 mentions the
Millennium.

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So that's good.
Then chapters 21 and 22, the new

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creation.
So where you place these

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sections?
Do they have in the past?

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Are they present?
Are they future that will

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largely influence your
interpretation.

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What's this mean?
A lot of it's where you place it

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in in history, very.
Good.

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So what, what are the different
tensions, a lot of tensions that

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that impact these different
views, you know, literal verse,

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symbolic past, first future.
Is it 1 fulfillment or is it

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repeated patterns of
fulfillments?

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Keep these things in mind and
we'll kind of jump into the five

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most common views view #1 the
preterist view.

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And maybe we want to, you know,
talk about partial verse full.

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Yeah, I'm just going to say that
because from what I understand,

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the first people to use the word
preterist when they explain

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their position, we would call
them partial preterist.

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And then other people came on
the scene and they would be what

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we call a full preterist.
And now I heard one preterist

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say we should not have to have
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We shouldn't be called partial
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It should be hyper preterism and
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preterism, you need to
establish, you know, are we

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talking about hyper partial?
You know, how are you using the

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terms?
Because different people can

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mean different things.
So, but there are some people

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who would believe that basically
everything in 2425 of Matthew

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and Revelation were fulfilled in
that lead up to the sacking of

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Jerusalem in 7080.
I think there's certainly

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elements in Matthew 2425.
When you see, you know, when you

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see Jerusalem surrounded, you
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Christians did get out.
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guy that was there first?
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He goes back because the the
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and he sends his son and then
it's his son that one of them,

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his name is Titus, but I don't
remember which one is which.

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That's the father of the Son.
But anyways, yeah, so different

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ways of saying preterism.
So, you know the the basic idea

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is that some or all of
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of it was already fulfilled in
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That that's good and I do have
my ESV study Bible, which if

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this gives you any idea, I, I
believe the theological editor

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of this was Ji Packer and then
the general editor I think was

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Wayne Grudem.
So it's, they try to have it

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like not nominational got a
Baptist influence, Anglican

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these kind of things in in their
preview or introduction to

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revelation, talking about
preterism, partial preterism,

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they would say, you know,
chapters one through 3,

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including these letters to the
seven churches that lines up

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with 1st century churches.
Chapters 4 through 11, they

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would categorize its seals,
Trump as witnesses, really match

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with Jerusalem's fall in AD 70.
A lot of partial predators would

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say chapters 12 through 19, the
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harlot Armageddon, would
actually correspond to the 4th

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and 4th century in Rome's fall.
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Millennium, you know, a lot of
them would say, you know, this

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could refer to the Catholic
Church, Reformation age, these

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kind of things like, couldn't
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Would you know things going on
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But they would say, hey, the end
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little bit second coming that
that is future event.

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Very good.
We might have a slightly

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different layout in the notes
than a few.

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The key emesis, like Revelation
11 must soon take place.

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Two through three.
Those are real churches.

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Revelation 6 through 11 might be
Judgment tied to Rome and

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Jerusalem. 13 the beast.
Some some might consider that

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Nero and then 17 through 18
Babylon's falling could be Rome

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falling or Jerusalem falling.
Yeah, and if you someone like RC

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Sprole, a lot of, you know, all
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will, will take this view and
they they're, they'll be like,

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hey, you know, you look at
number 666 like that's clearly

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mapping onto Nero like that.
That's kind of how they're

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interpreting.
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So they would say you add up the
numbers and it's the name of

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this and it's like, and they
would say the seven, whatever is

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the seven or the six King
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And so they're kind of mapping
this on to Rome, putting a lot

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of this in in the past strengths
of this view takes the original

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audience very seriously.
It grounds revelation in real

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history.
The challenges is it's it's

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still hard to explain some of
this cosmic language.

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It's like, does that?
Would you say what happened in,

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you know, to Rome?
Would you align it with that

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kind of language?
Maybe you would, maybe you

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wouldn't you know, it's like
hard to nail that down.

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And then Revelation 20 to 22 is
is all clearly well, you know,

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clearly very future.
So like where do you draw that

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line and map things on the past
versus things that could happen?

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I'm.
Just thinking about passages

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like where it seems like there's
some meteor falling into the

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ocean.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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That's right.
That seems like that hasn't

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happened yet.
Yes, and and exactly right and.

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Turn to Wormwood and bitter and
you can't drink it.

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And what what RC Sproll would
focus a lot on in his at least

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in his book The last Days
According to Jesus, and he's got

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a series on this.
He maps it.

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He'll be like Josephus use some
of the same cosmic imagery for

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the destruction of Jerusalem.
He would say the stars were

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falling.
And so, you know, you got, you

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know, whether that's what it is
or not, but that that's what

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they're hinging.
And I was like, Oh, you look at

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these other sources, they would
say this cosmic stuff.

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I think us reading it, it does
seem like there's got to be

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something more to that.
So that that's the prejury and I

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guess we should also qualify it
this way, like just like with

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everything else in Scripture or
in theology, I should say, not

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every view is nice and neat
like.

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So I'm sure there's a preterist
out there saying, hey, I

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disagree with four things you
saw.

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There's a little bit of
discrepancy between the notes we

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put together in the ESP study
Bible.

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It's like largely the same, but
maybe differs a little bit on

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specifics.
Yeah, not, not that we had

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everything out, but the language
of stars falling I think is

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different than the, you know,
Revelation 88 through 9, says

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the second trumpet involved,
well, great mountain burning

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with fire being cast in the sea.
That's a little bit more vivid

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than just start falling.
That's why I thought, well,

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maybe meteors hitting the Earth
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Something something like that
would trigger someone to write

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it that way.
I think that's good to think on

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the next view, it's kind of the
opposite.

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We're going to talk about the
futurist view, probably largely

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what has been most common in
evangelicalism in in America.

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You know, left behind version
would fit into this and it would

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view Revelation 4 through 22.
So not the letters, the letters

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they would say past, but four
through 22.

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This is still future it it talks
about, you know, in Revelation

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4-5, this future vision 6
through 18, a tribulation 13 the

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Antichrist 19 the second coming,
20, the Millennium, these kind

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of things.
And you kind of see this one big

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story, you know, you're
progressing through essentially

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where there's not this
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And if you can imagine, you
know, this is a lot of

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premillennialists would fall
into this, people like John

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MacArthur, Charles Riley, Tim
Lahaye.

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I think if you're dispensational
and you're pre Trib, you almost

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have to take this view.
I'm not sure but but that's what

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those are the kinds of people
you will see take this view by

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and what you're not going to see
mill or post mill, really think

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about it in these terms.
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I was just thinking about those
statements because the

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recapitulation does that
necessarily how does that relate

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to future versus past could
could you not see?

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Just the future being talked
about 3 or 4 different times

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essentially or.
Five to me, and I need to do a

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deep study of revelation since
I've learned about the

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recapitulation view.
But in hearing you talking about

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it and thinking about what I've
studied before it, I would

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almost personally come to the
conclusion that perhaps the

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seals and then the trumpets and
then the bowls were three

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different visions of the great
Tribulation, which is still

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future.
So I think it's. 3

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recapitulations of a future
thing versus.

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Three different PO VS of and
then you were talking about the

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the the the churches that were
there and how they that they

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would still be, you know,
passed.

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I would I specifically
obviously, you know, 11 pinpoint

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of information from an
evangelical dispensationalist

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view.
So, but I remember being told

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these are literal historical
churches, that they also stand

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for different ages of the church
as you move through and you can

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kind of see how they might map
on to general church ages like

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here is.
Like America's in, we're later

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to see or we're something or
whatever.

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Yeah, that type, that type of.
Thing but then you know the same

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it was you know any church could
find themselves in any of these

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depending on their own
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But you know that these are kind
of the general types of churches

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that are out there and what
Christ might say to you if you

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were in in that type of.
Church yeah, and I I grew up in

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a similar church and our pastor
preached something very similar,

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saying like this is the church
from zero to 182, hundred to

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400.
We would map on that almost, you

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know, goes nicely with this next
view, historicism, the historic

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view, which kind of is a church
history timeline, where again,

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there's different strokes for
different folks where some would

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say, hey, chapter one through 3,
like they are for centuries

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churches, but some people met
more on to that.

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Some would say, like in this
historicist view, chapters 4

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through 19, the seals, the
trumpets, trumpets, the beasts,

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bowls, harlot, Armageddon.
They would actually do what

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you're saying too, like say,
hey, this is the medieval

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church, this is the reformers,
this is where we're at.

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This is modern leading up to the
Millennium.

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And people like John Calvin and
Martin Luther would say this.

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So yeah, yeah.
Good, good people they met

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because so much was going on in
their day.

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They were doing the same problem
that many of us do today.

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You know, you read the newspaper
and interpret your Bible that

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way.
It's like, man, of course, Roman

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Catholic Church, the Antichrist,
you know what I mean?

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Like you're.
And so you not not throwing

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shade, but that's like kind of
where a lot of them in the

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strengths is you see God really
working in history and you're

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connecting Revelation to real
life events.

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It's not like my my whole
complaint with all mills is that

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sometimes it just seems like
nebulous, like nothing.

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It's like you can't grab on to
what something means.

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This might.
Be on the other end of that

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space.
And and and yeah, exactly on the

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other end, maybe you're over
realizing it, but the

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interesting thing is it's done
also by all mills, right?

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Just all mills from years ago
that because that that's exactly

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the challenge is it's highly
subjective.

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You know, as we go more and more
years, there's more and more

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parts of church history you
don't know, like where to put.

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It's hard to map things.
So, so as you can imagine, this

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view much less common today, the
idealist, you know, this view is

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very trendy today.
This is the view a lot of people

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like.
And basically this is saying

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revelation describes recurring
spiritual realities, this

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recapitulation thing.
It's not one timeline and you

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would see cycles versus straight
chronological.

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It's the same themes.
I like the way you put it.

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They put it in our notes, repeat
it from different angles.

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You put it like different PO VS
or you're saying it from here,

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from here, from here.
People that teach this, a lot of

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people teach this.
William Hendrickson is probably

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very famous from like the 30s or
40s today.

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People like Michael Horton,
Michael Kruger, he teaches his

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class.
He he puts a spin on it that I I

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really like.
Michael Horton, is that white

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Horson?
White Horson.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
exactly.

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He's honestly Michael Horton's
great.

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He's I think he's Westminster
Theological Seminary.

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I like so much of what he
writes.

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Just wish, you know, needs to be
more one more Baptist that he

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would nail it.
But he's so, so good.

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But the idealist view is
strengths are, you know, this

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applies to every generation as
well.

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Things, these battles we go
through there, there is every.

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Generation be looking for a
fiery mountain.

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Too.
So that's the challenge.

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It's less concrete because you
are making everything mean

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whatever.
It's hard to connect specific

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events like I just had my
revelation or I mean that's

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probably over spiritualizing it.
But you know, if you're thinking

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about it, revelation is always
happening.

451
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It's the story of Christ versus
evil in every different age.

452
00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:53,840
The way Michael Kruger puts it,
he's Presbyterian.

453
00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:55,960
He's the president of Reformed
Theological Seminary.

454
00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,520
He would say, hey, those are
those are the four major views.

455
00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:02,720
Those are the 4 views you're
going to find in, you know, ESC

456
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:04,640
study by one of these things.
Actually, Wayne Gruden just have

457
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:07,800
1/5 as well.
He, Kruger calls it the eclectic

458
00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:10,240
view, where he's like, I'll just
pick and choose what I like and

459
00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,680
this is the right view and I
like it's a mixed view.

460
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:16,000
Different parts of Revelation
are best read in different ways.

461
00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:19,320
Where you do read some of it
historically, you do read some

462
00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:22,240
of it as recurring and also
maybe historically, and then you

463
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:24,080
read some of it as obviously
future.

464
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:27,560
And honestly, most of you would
probably say they're here.

465
00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:31,720
They might just be heavy one way
or the other.

466
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:35,760
So if this is the fifth view
that is there an eclectic UV on

467
00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:38,920
top of that that falls from all
five of these views And so just

468
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:41,600
pulling from the 4th that just
meta take it.

469
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:45,280
Meta totally, because even the
way Wayne Grudem has in here, he

470
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:48,040
has one, he says some
introversible to mixed view that

471
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:52,600
combines this or saying that,
hey, some of these are past

472
00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:54,520
fulfillments and a future
fulfillment, you know, so I

473
00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:58,040
think this is probably what most
people are going to hang on.

474
00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:01,000
People that have made this pop
popular are people like Michael

475
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:05,360
Kruger D and Carson, Greg Beal.
Some people have really looked

476
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,480
at this positively because it is
a balanced view.

477
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:12,880
It does take genre seriously, I
think.

478
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,600
I think the challenge is you
still have to like know where to

479
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:17,720
put things.
It's it's not like, you know, it

480
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:20,240
doesn't make everything perfect.
You have to choose, Oh, this is

481
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:21,720
future.
This is when the Millennium

482
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:22,920
happens.
Then no, it's not.

483
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,640
You still have to make these
decisions.

484
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:29,000
But if you're thinking through
what you're reading and you can

485
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:32,040
map it on one of these views, it
does help you understand at

486
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:34,400
least you know where people are
coming from, how you're

487
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,240
interpreting the book and that
kind of thing.

488
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:38,280
That's very.
Good.

489
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:41,280
How do these connect to end
times view?

490
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:45,640
So this this is not
one-size-fits-all, but I think

491
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:49,200
by and large, if you are
dispensational pre mill, you're

492
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:50,920
going to take a futurist
approach.

493
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,680
If you're historic pre mill,
you're going to take that

494
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:59,880
futurist plus idealist approach,
which in effect is eclectic.

495
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:05,120
All millennial, all millennial
will say idealist plus a

496
00:25:05,120 --> 00:25:07,440
preterist.
But I think also, you know, some

497
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,120
historical mill will say, hey,
you know, partial predator for

498
00:25:10,120 --> 00:25:12,160
these kind of things.
Post mill will lean into

499
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,240
preterist and idealist.
And many today would say

500
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:16,600
eclectic.
And I think a challenge today is

501
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,960
a lot of people, it is tricky.
It's not the end all be all, but

502
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,680
I'll let people just throw their
hands up and say like everything

503
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:24,600
is true, you know, like I don't,
you know, like that they,

504
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:28,760
they're noncommittal and not in
a relative like genderous fluid

505
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:30,960
way, but in a theological like,
you know, I don't know.

506
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:34,160
And I can sympathize with that.
But I do think it's good to come

507
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,520
to some sort of conviction
because it's going to mean

508
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,760
something.
Some of that may be overreaction

509
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:45,160
to what we grew up with because
I did grow up with every single

510
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,520
thing mapped out like and, and
it was good.

511
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:50,880
It was interesting and I
thought, OK, I understand

512
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,320
revelation because I was
probably in high school.

513
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:57,080
We went through this class and
we went through, we met every

514
00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,200
single thing out.
We talked about the different

515
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,800
parts and, you know, and then I
looked up and that was the

516
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,480
rapture and I was like how I, I
did have questions even back

517
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:07,560
then.
And then I looked up be the

518
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:09,120
rapture.
That's I think it's in chapter

519
00:26:09,120 --> 00:26:10,560
4.
Maybe it's in three.

520
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:14,160
But anyways, I think probably
some of what we experienced

521
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:19,520
today is a maybe an overreaction
to well, I don't think it was

522
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:20,720
that.
So I don't really know what it

523
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:22,600
is, so I'm not going to read it.
And I think what I hear you

524
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,120
saying is you, you need to dig
into it.

525
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,960
There's a special blessing for
people who read through this.

526
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,920
That's what what what it says.
Yeah, and honestly, read it out

527
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:32,080
loud, you get the double
blessings.

528
00:26:32,360 --> 00:26:34,120
What's the one who reads?
Those are the one who hears.

529
00:26:34,120 --> 00:26:38,280
Or what's it of those who hear?
So, so yeah, probably.

530
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:42,520
So maybe read through it and
come to some conclusion on what

531
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:43,800
you think.
Might I?

532
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:49,840
I thought overall what helped me
I, I don't come to Michael

533
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:53,440
Kruger's view, but reform fields
theological seminary, like many

534
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,040
of these other seminaries have
like lectures for where you can

535
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:59,960
access and you get like a seven
part lecture on revelation and

536
00:26:59,960 --> 00:27:02,680
it he does a good job of
explaining this view And I just

537
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:04,680
I had my Bible, but I was kind
of marking all the

538
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,960
recapitulations and going
through it that for me did it

539
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,040
with like, Oh, I can see the
recapitulation here.

540
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:13,200
I don't see the recapitulation
between 19 and 20 that he would

541
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,360
affirm.
But like you're saying, like the

542
00:27:15,360 --> 00:27:17,760
seals, these trumpets, It's like
it does make sense.

543
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,360
There's a new vision, there's a
new thing going on, new scene.

544
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,600
It's very to and, you know,
everyone else's different views,

545
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:27,840
but it makes sense that this
could be cyclical versus just,

546
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,120
you know, we keep a loose
straight through a lot.

547
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,280
Yeah.
Yeah, because there's like more

548
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,840
than one time that a lot of the
population dies you.

549
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:39,920
Know wow, we're really trimming
back the the world 1/3 here.

550
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:43,360
You know, whatever, it's kind of
tough some practical

551
00:27:43,360 --> 00:27:46,280
application.
You know, how should you read

552
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:47,680
Revelation?
Besides, you know, reading it

553
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,160
the way we think you should, you
should read it the way.

554
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,440
Very pridefully, Very
pridefully.

555
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:57,120
My way is the only way.
Whatever way you choose, be sure

556
00:27:57,120 --> 00:27:58,760
you fight with anyone who
disagrees with you.

557
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,320
One thing I've liked about this
is I do have, I have liked some

558
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:06,840
of the discussion that spurred
our church right now recently

559
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,280
just changed our eschatology
statement, I think in a very

560
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:10,560
positive way.
Michael, don't.

561
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,520
Know that we changed it.
We we added, we didn't have one.

562
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,200
Yeah, no, that's a very good
point.

563
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,560
We we changed it by putting
something on paper because you

564
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,000
should have an end time
statement, because there are

565
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:22,160
things that are important.
Yeah.

566
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:26,080
We previously had a statement on
Christology that said something

567
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,280
at the very end about Christ
returning in the millennial

568
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:31,200
reign and that was that was
basically all that we had said

569
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,720
eschatologically.
So we took actually took the the

570
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:38,960
pre mil out and then we added a,
you know, a longer Eskadel

571
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,480
Eskatological view, but you're
about to say something.

572
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:43,680
And I think it's been positive.
I think it's spurred on some

573
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:47,120
good conversation whether people
arrive at the same exact view.

574
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,360
I think it's pushed me going
through this series looking at

575
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:52,120
that like to examine these
things more, have a good

576
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,640
conversation, agree on the
things that are paramount,

577
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:56,880
disagree on things, have your
strong conviction.

578
00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:00,640
But it's helped spur like really
good conversation versus like,

579
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,000
you know, I'm going to get you
conversations, you know?

580
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:03,880
Right.
Yeah, I think that's.

581
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,320
Good.
Daniel 827 I like this verse

582
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,440
because Daniel just like
Revelation, a lot of it is what

583
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:14,200
we would call apocalyptic.
And 8:27 you know, he's getting

584
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,120
this interpretation of the
vision.

585
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:20,920
At the end it says, and I,
Daniel was overcome and lay sick

586
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,880
for some days, then I rose.
And what about the King's

587
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,880
business?
But I was appalled by the vision

588
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:30,120
and didn't understand it.
So you're, I mean Daniel?

589
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:32,960
So what I hear you saying is if
we read through Revelation, we

590
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:39,080
might get sick for a little bit.
And this is, you know, he's

591
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:42,240
getting this interpretation
about, you know, the go is

592
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,000
Greece and the horn meat and
Persian.

593
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:50,320
And so that stuff with it being
future hard to how hard to

594
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,520
understand that same, we're in
the same position for much of

595
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:54,280
Revelation where there is a
future components like we're

596
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:57,040
not.
You might have some idea, but

597
00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,280
even if you know what's going to
happen, it's probably not going

598
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,640
to come in the exact way that
you think.

599
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:06,120
If we had a prophet show up on
the scene today who we didn't

600
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,520
necessarily think was the
Messiah, but we were like, oh,

601
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:13,040
that this guy's a prophet sent
my God, who would probably be

602
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:16,240
asking him questions about yes,
yeah.

603
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,840
And I was just thinking about
when Jesus shows up, there's a

604
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,960
lot of questions that they asked
him the, you know, because the

605
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,160
Pharisees and Sadducees are kind
of battling out on certain

606
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:26,320
things.
They're trying to figure out

607
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:29,840
which one is right and stuff.
So I can imagine if, if that

608
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,240
were to happen, we would have
some similar questions.

609
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:37,000
So I say, I let's say sometimes
I think we can look back and

610
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:39,920
snob our noses at the Jews in
Jesus time.

611
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,280
That's true.
Asking him these questions like,

612
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,640
well, what if a woman, you know,
marries a man and then he dies

613
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:47,960
and then marries his brother and
he dies and he does this seven

614
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,280
times.
Who's you know, that was a real

615
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,480
issue for the Sadducees.
They're trying to figure out how

616
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,040
to understand Scripture and you
know, even though Jesus says you

617
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:57,360
know you're wrong, you don't
understand that.

618
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:00,480
I can just imagine that same
conversation happened the day

619
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,160
like, what if there's like
verbal abuse, but it's not?

620
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,120
You get these nuances and you're
like, you know, what do we do?

621
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:09,280
Is this like grounds or this is
not grounds or, you know, these

622
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,120
kind of things, but that that's
good.

623
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:15,560
Anything else we want to say
about reading Revelation?

624
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:22,920
Well, I, I think in the end we
can focus on 1920 and 2122.

625
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:27,000
We know, hopefully people
believe that's future and we

626
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:30,120
know that we have a hope, even
though we may not understand it.

627
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:33,120
Yeah.
I think that's good.

628
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,880
The overall message of
revelation is Jesus wins.

629
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:39,320
It's it's a book of in a one
sense perseverance.

630
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,120
There are a lot of hard times,
but you get to the end.

631
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,880
Very good things happen for
those who are on Christ side and

632
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:50,040
that's very positive and it and
it is a book that the gain

633
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:53,200
nothing else from it, which we
should gain a lot more than just

634
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:54,680
that.
But that man that you should

635
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,880
read that field filled with
hope.

636
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,920
So I like that.
Good way to end.

637
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:03,080
Do we transition?
I think so.

638
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,240
To the last take.
The very last.

639
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,640
Take the very last take soccer
season's over.

640
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:10,200
It's done for for.
Both of us for.

641
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:13,200
Both of us, that's right.
I said something to Karis like,

642
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,760
man, I don't know if I have post
soccer season depression.

643
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:18,360
She's like, you didn't have a
soccer season.

644
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:22,920
I was like I, I did like we
travelled all over.

645
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,480
You announce your voice.
Yeah, you are more connected

646
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,920
than the last.
But you had you had, you

647
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:33,200
definitely had a soccer season.
So we won the last game, there

648
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,520
was like 5 minutes left in the
game, we were hold on to a 10

649
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:39,080
lead and we were, it was very
evenly matched skill wise.

650
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:40,840
And I I.
Was much older than.

651
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,120
You they had two sophomores and
like 7 freshmen.

652
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:49,920
We're like literally all six.
We have 1/8 grader and it was 00

653
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,440
at halftime.
I knew I was like, man, let's go

654
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,680
1st 10 minutes, let's just bring
the heat, let's score and then

655
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:57,640
hold on to it.
And I was.

656
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,720
Score on a fast break corner
kick.

657
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:02,720
Oh, good, good.
It was like kind of a fast

658
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:06,400
break, so not really fast break.
What helped us was their team,

659
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:08,560
they're back four.
They played like a very low

660
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:11,120
block where like they're back
four almost like always stood on

661
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:14,040
their like 18 yard line.
So like that's where they don't

662
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,520
even stayed the whole game.
I know soccer and I don't know

663
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:17,520
what you're saying.
So people who?

664
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,120
Oh yes, so the back.
Forward, they're sorry, they're

665
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,440
back four, their defensive back
four, what does it mean?

666
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,480
Sorry, back forward.
They literally just were on the

667
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:26,840
18 yard lines throughout the
whole game.

668
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:28,000
What?
They didn't step, they didn't

669
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:29,400
push up.
So 18.

670
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,680
Yard lines pretty close to the.
It's 18 yards away.

671
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:33,880
Yeah, yeah.
And so they were there in the

672
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:35,840
whole game.
Their offense hasn't moved.

673
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,880
If you can imagine they had no
midfield, Huge gap, huge gap in.

674
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:41,600
The Defenders.
And most teams we played were

675
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:43,400
played a high block, were very
aggressive.

676
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:45,600
We're almost too aggressive
because they were faster than

677
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:47,000
us.
We're not only where they're

678
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,520
back four at midfield, but a lot
of times they're back four were

679
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:51,120
like 10 yards in front of
midfield.

680
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:54,240
So they had all 10 but not 11
their goalies back there, but

681
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,640
they had 10 players like.
We had that one science and this

682
00:33:57,640 --> 00:33:59,160
was a bar seat.
It was already in a yeah, you're

683
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:00,880
good.
They were ahead of their

684
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:04,440
midfield and we passed it to
someone who was behind them and

685
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,800
they want to call off sides.
I'm like and the coach, how are

686
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:11,320
you coaching?
And you do not know you can't be

687
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,159
offsides in your own half of the
field.

688
00:34:13,159 --> 00:34:15,400
But go ahead.
So we had teams do that a lot to

689
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,760
us, mainly because they were
like, oh, even if we get beat,

690
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,000
we're fast enough.
And so it's like, man, they just

691
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,400
overwhelm you from numbers.
Normally you can counter attack

692
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:24,880
and make a team pay, but we
really struggled.

693
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,520
So they were back.
So the pro for them is they had

694
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:29,520
people there, but eventually we
broke through.

695
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,000
We got some good shots.
They got a lot of shots because

696
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:36,440
they were bigger than us.
Our keeper played awesome and.

697
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:38,159
Who?
Well, I guess you can't name a

698
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,080
guy.
Yeah, we don't want to say

699
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,400
names.
Was it your normal keeper?

700
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:43,679
That was at the beginning of the
year?

701
00:34:43,679 --> 00:34:44,320
No.
OK.

702
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:45,920
The other guy.
Other guy, he played like

703
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:49,000
phenomenal.
And then I told the coach like

704
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:50,520
we were at half field and they
were super nice.

705
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:52,719
I was like there's like 5
minutes in the game.

706
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:56,000
I was like, when the Rebels, if
we hang on to a lead, we're

707
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:57,800
going to run on the field like
we won the Super Bowl.

708
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:00,600
I'm sorry, but we are.
They're like, no, it's great.

709
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,760
And everyone like they, they
want to dump water on me.

710
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:05,680
Thankfully, I'm bigger and
stronger than six and seven goes

711
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,280
like no, that like varsity needs
water, these kind of things.

712
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:09,560
But it was like we won the
Super.

713
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:12,600
We went to McDonald's, spent
$200 at McDonald's.

714
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:14,360
Perfect.
It was great.

715
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:18,800
It was like so fun and then on
and then Thursday with the

716
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,840
capstone was we went to Stars
and Strikes to like, you know,

717
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:23,960
wrap it up.
Starts and strikes.

718
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,200
Stars and strikes?
Yes, Starts and strikes.

719
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,160
That's what Jill texted, and
then I texted ends and spares.

720
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:30,680
That's why.
OK, no, I.

721
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:32,800
Don't think anyone got my joke.
It was just like, OK.

722
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,000
It it, it was so fun.
And it was like, that changes

723
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,040
the season so much.
Winning that one game at the

724
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,760
very end, Yeah.
It's a huge morale boost.

725
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:43,520
Huge.
Huge because it was.

726
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,360
Everyone was like, so happy.
I got compliments.

727
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:47,680
It was good.
I think I don't think it would

728
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:49,320
have gone that way.
We would have lost that game and

729
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,920
we didn't get to play this team
earlier in the year because we

730
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,120
had to reschedule and their JV
team was like unavailable when

731
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:56,880
they came to Northwood.
So we had no idea about this

732
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:58,200
team.
I was like, man, I wish it was a

733
00:35:58,200 --> 00:35:59,920
different team that had to
cancel and we could have played

734
00:35:59,920 --> 00:36:04,600
them twice.
But anyway, that was it is are

735
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,640
your daughters like, like not
excited, but like, man, I get

736
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:09,320
more time back or they're like,
oh, I miss it.

737
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,680
Karis actually talked about
playing club or wreck.

738
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:15,720
That is good.
Really good.

739
00:36:15,720 --> 00:36:17,360
I was like, I don't know if we
can manage it.

740
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,480
Let's see.
I haven't heard anything since

741
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:21,400
that last day when she said
that.

742
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:27,160
But we went out.
We played Ashley Hall at home,

743
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:32,480
we went to PK.
That's impressive because when

744
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:36,880
sorry, when Chloe was playing,
we got mercy rule bashed at all

745
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,640
repeatedly.
So we have really like we were

746
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:42,960
so far down and we've improved
so much that we're still like

747
00:36:43,240 --> 00:36:47,440
6th or 5th in the region.
But it's like we went from

748
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:51,120
losing to everyone and maybe
being competitive against

749
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:54,200
Collinton to almost Mercy ruling
Collinton.

750
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:59,960
But so the mid season we played
Ashley Hall and that's what

751
00:36:59,960 --> 00:37:02,560
happened at home.
And then this last week we

752
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:07,760
played Colleton on Monday and
nearly Mercy rolled them.

753
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:12,880
I mean, yeah, yeah.
And and then we played Ashley

754
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:17,320
Hall away on Tuesday and you
could just tell our girls did

755
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:20,280
not have the energy and they're
playing, they're holding on,

756
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:21,720
holding on.
And it's just like 2 get

757
00:37:21,720 --> 00:37:22,600
through.
That's like.

758
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:24,280
It's.
Hard to recover.

759
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:28,800
We we did come back 2 to one and
I was like, why?

760
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:32,360
Yeah, if if you could do this
over again, schedule that Colton

761
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:35,000
game later.
Like let's have Ashley Hall

762
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:36,640
fresh.
Yeah, right.

763
00:37:36,720 --> 00:37:39,760
And then play the Colton you.
Guys had a lot of games in a

764
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:41,000
row, like I know varsity guys at
two.

765
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,800
It was like Monday, 2, like 3
games in a week sometimes.

766
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:45,680
That's a lot.
Yeah, that yeah, they, they, and

767
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:49,000
especially because we have like
2 Subs, yeah.

768
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:50,720
So you don't get a lot of
breaks.

769
00:37:50,720 --> 00:37:54,320
So you're playing all out dude.
So, so fun.

770
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:58,040
I'm excited for next season.
I was, I was going through the

771
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:01,680
roles.
Kisa is strict and I'm hoping

772
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:03,520
like I encourage some of our
players, they should play club

773
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:05,400
or they should play Wrecking the
Fox, especially if there's no

774
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:06,840
GPA football.
They kind of do something like

775
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:10,680
run, do something, you know?
I I did there that did I tell

776
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:12,280
you I.
Talked you confirmed it or like

777
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:14,840
you heard more it's.
Confirmed that it's likely not

778
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:16,720
going to happen due to the lack
of players.

779
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:20,720
Yeah.
Because I guess they had like 14

780
00:38:20,720 --> 00:38:24,720
or 15 eighth graders who are all
moving up in the four 7th

781
00:38:24,720 --> 00:38:27,880
graders, 4 sixth graders and
then like whoever comes up from

782
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:29,200
from 5th grade.
And it's like.

783
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:34,520
It's hard to build a.
Team on 4/4 and because you

784
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:36,080
know.
That is tough.

785
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,400
So.
So we may not.

786
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,720
Wow.
Well, it's in the books.

787
00:38:41,720 --> 00:38:44,360
In the books, man, what a what a
season.

788
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:45,720
Anything else?
All.

789
00:38:46,720 --> 00:38:48,480
Right.
Well, that's our take.

790
00:38:50,240 --> 00:38:51,520
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791
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:54,840
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792
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